The Tyranny of 'Reproductive Freedom'
Accommodating religious objections to Obamacare's contraceptive mandate does not violate anyone's rights.

President Trump says an executive order he signed last Thursday protects religious freedom, while his critics say it undermines reproductive freedom. If both freedoms are understood as rights that must be respected, someone has to be wrong here, and for once it isn't Trump.
The executive order tells federal officials to "consider issuing amended regulations" addressing "conscience-based objections" to an Obamacare mandate requiring employers to provide health coverage that includes all FDA-approved contraceptives. For religious reasons, some employers do not want to be implicated in subsidizing, encouraging, facilitating, or condoning either contraception in general or the methods they view as tantamount to abortion.
Because of such concerns, the Obama administration exempted churches and related organizations involved in exclusively religious activity from the contraceptive mandate. But any religious organization that offers social services or engages in other nonsectarian activities has to notify its insurer if it objects to the contraception requirement, at which point the insurer is supposed to provide the coverage independently, at no additional cost to the employer or employee.
For groups such as Little Sisters of the Poor, a Roman Catholic order that runs homes for low-income elderly people, that workaround is unacceptable, because they believe the form they must send to insurers makes them complicit in sin. Trump's order is largely aimed at addressing that complaint.
The order could also help religious business owners. In the 2014 case Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, the Supreme Court said the Religious Freedom Restoration Act requires the government to accommodate the objections of "closely held for-profit corporations" whose owners balk at the contraceptive mandate for religious reasons.
What might these religious accommodations look like? Last year a unanimous Supreme Court suggested one likely possibility in response to the legal challenges brought by Little Sisters of the Poor and other faith-based organizations.
Instead of forcing employers to express their religious objections in forms filed with their insurers or the government, the Court proposed, why not treat their purchase of health plans that do not include contraceptives as the signal for insurers to provide that coverage separately? The Court, while sending the cases back to the appeals courts for further consideration, said such an approach, which both the plaintiffs and the government agreed was feasible, "accommodates petitioners' religious exercise while at the same time ensuring that women covered by petitioners' health plans 'receive full and equal health coverage, including contraceptive coverage.'"
If Trump's order results in a solution along these lines, it will have no perceptible impact on women's contraceptive coverage, even if it includes businesses as well as religious organizations. But you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise if you saw the alarmist statements issued by the order's critics.
"President Trump's executive order discriminates against women and robs them of essential preventive care," claimed Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights. "Without health coverage of contraception under the ACA, countless women will lose their basic right to prevent pregnancy and plan when they have children."
Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, warned that the executive order will "encourage employers to use religion as a pretext to deny women the care they need." Amanda Klasing, a researcher at Human Rights Watch, said "this order will take away many women's access to affordable family planning options."
Such comments not only grossly exaggerate the practical consequences of accommodating religious objections to the contraceptive mandate. They fundamentally misconstrue the interests at stake, erroneously equating freedom from coercion with a claim on other people's resources.
The "basic right to prevent pregnancy" does not imply a right to free contraception, any more than the right to freedom of speech implies a right to free Internet service or the right to armed self-defense implies a right to free guns. A system in which you can force other people to subsidize your choices, even when it means violating their religious convictions, looks a lot more like tyranny than freedom.
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Or, the company could pay the employee the money that would have been spent on health insurance and allow that employee to go select and purchase anything they wish.
One thing that is interesting to me is the increasing lack of distinction in peoples minds between health care and health insurance.
I saw a post on FB the other day that said something like "Universal Health Care: Not a Radical Idea" and then showed all the nations that have it. One of them was Turkey, and the person who posted it said, "EVEN TURKEY HAS BETTER HEALTHCARE THAN US."
And I was just thinking, is that in anyway true? In many of these places the government may make some claim to pay, but what is the quality and availability of the services rendered.
Insurance is a strange thing, and I feel like people don't really have any particular idea on what it is.
No, that's way too much freedom. The peasants can't handle that.
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"...Obama administration exempted churches and related organizations involved in exclusively religious activity..."
"Exclusively religious activity" is an affront to liberty and an insult to intelligence.
That such a formulation came from a statist like Obama should be an everlasting rebuke to everyone who made or bought into the 'libertarian case for Obama.'
Of course, after you eliminate ALL government policy content mandates, and allow people to choose their own policies, all of this goes away.
Then maybe men, and women without reproductive capacity, will not HAVE to purchase maternity coverage.
And women will not have to purchase prostate coverage.
Ans a whole bunch of other market distorting, expense raising foolishness.
Jacob could use a refresher course in differential equations--or a peek at the population growth curve. Religious fanatics busily infiltrating the LP and reverse-engineering their interpretation of our ethical premises to brainwash Reason journalists never mention the 100000 in population increase since midnight of a morning. If Jacob were struck by Ebola or Yellow Fever, the government subsidized CDC would suddenly seem a lot less oppressive. The entire medical profession was transformed into a pack of lying perjurers for coercion in exchange for using the Harrison Tax Act to ruin a few competitors--the root cause of unaffordable healthcare. So where is our Reason champion for deregulation of the medical profession? for eliminating all government-subsidized measures against bacteriological attacks? Ayn Rand warned against libertarian pandering to christianofascism, and I'm damned if I can find a more accurate description for this suicidal shift in priorities.
Did not consider myself to be "infiltrating" as much as "agreeing with"...
More demand for infant adoptions than supply. Look up that stat. Also, when you actually have to deal with the consequences of your behavior, you change your behavior. But none of that matters, because we're (neither Christians nor libertarians) not Utilitarians.
There are "Christians" (word used very loosely) who act fascist, yes, just like there are all kinds in religions and non-religions who do the same. Abusus non tollit usum.
But the implication that telling people that they have freedom of conscious ("religion") to not be forced to do evil is not "pandering to christianofascism", any more than defending free speech is pandering to lovers of Mein Kampf. Logical consistency is important, no?
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someone has to be wrong here, and for once it isn't Trump
Hang on, i think we all need to get super whiny about this choice of phrasing.
I only wish the article placed more emphasis on the right to freedom of belief than freedom of religion.
Just perhaps, when mandates bring people's rights into conflict, the government might consider they shouldn't be involved in such endeavors to begin with?
I know...crazy talk.
But thst would mean the government does not have power, of course its crazy talk.
Except in this case one of them is not even a right that is being infringed. People are not being forbidden from buying contraceptives -- as FreeRad mentioned above, liberty does not include free contraceptives.
Rights aren't rights unless they're "free".
How can I possibly have the right to use contraception unless you pay for it for me?
Duh! Do you even prog, bro?
What manner of witchcraft is this?
This is where 'positive rights' gets us. At the back end of a 'positive right' is someone being forced to do something for the supposed owner of the 'right.'
I just don't see why all the Atheists and the Jews and the Muslims and the Wiccans and the Buddhists can't all come together like good Christians and agree to work together to comfort the poor and afflicted like Christ taught us. Or, barring that, we can't all agree that who pays the piper calls the tune and all the nonsense about your rights being trampled by the government's rules on handing out free shit is nothing more than whining and bitching about how you don't like the flavor of the Kool-Aid they're handing out and trying to present it as some sort of high-minded moral principle rather than you being a greedy entitled bastard trying to get your own way at the expense of everybody else. You don't like the way the government allows Catholic charities an exemption from handing out free birth control? Fuck you, go get your free birth control somewhere else, because you wanna whine about the moral violation in how the government goes about handing out free shit? To a libertarian? Really?
It's not a "right" if you can't force other people to pay for shit you want. /DERP
For groups such as Little Sisters of the Poor, a Roman Catholic order that runs homes for low-income elderly people, that workaround is unacceptable, because they believe the form they must send to insurers makes them complicit in sin.
Stating that they object to providing or paying for contraception because it violates their religious beliefs is making them complicit in sin?
What kind of reason.com libertarian bullshit is this, that accepts that?
Can you folks simply claim something like 'filling a form itself is tyranny'?
So, are you saying you agree they should be forced to fill out a form? Is it fine with you if they make a law forcing you to write an essay once a year explaining why you shouldn't have to buy me condoms, lube, and Viagra?
Who are you to say what someone with religious beliefs feels makes them complicit in sin? The government should not even be involved in what non-governmental organizations do when providing healthcare. the Libertarian view should be for government to stay out of this and for an individual unsatisfied with the healthcare offered by LSOTP to look elsewhere for employment.
"Without health coverage of contraception under the ACA, countless women will lose their basic right to prevent pregnancy and plan when they have children."
Um, do people no longer know how pregnancy occurs?
Pregnancy happens when the government takes away your birth control, duh.
Wow. The Little Sisters of the Poor are Literally raping these poor women. Literally.
Gay rights advocates weren't very stratigically smart when they went after a bakery owner for not baking a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. It was petty. It also stoked the powerful religious lobby to work even more aggressively for these actions. Let's make our work harder over a damn wedding cake, shall we?? I think it's notable that when Christians reacted by going to gay owned bakeries and requested cakes to be made that went against the beliefs of those bakeries, the responses ranged from fuck youz to denial of service. The least that the gay owned bakeries could've done was show that they are better and not HYPOCRITES (and they could've used urine to bake the cakes LOL not really cool but the idea makes me laugh).
The gov doesn't believe consenting adults have a protected right to have sex. Why then would people have solidly protected reproductive rights?
Read what the state of CA had to say in its most recent filing in the ESPLERP V GASCON case. The gov also presumes that it can decide which of our relationships are valid. Pretty damn infuriating but who is paying attention?
Twice the state says that consensual sex is not a protected right. Only MARRIED people have a right to have sex. This is a crucial issue, the constitutionality of sexual freedom must be carved out and that will go far to solidify reproductive rights as well- they are married in terms of privacy rights!
Read here: http://decriminalizesexwork.com/ESPLERP - State Answering Appellate Brief.pdf
http://decriminalizesexwork.com/ESPLERP - State Answering Appellate Brief.pdf
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"why not treat their purchase of health plans that do not include contraceptives as the signal for insurers to provide that coverage separately? "
In order to assuage some religious sensibilities, the libertarian suggests we entangle ourselves further still in bureaucratic busywork.
Yeah I know, such bureaucratic busy work it is to have to get cash instead and have to take it all the way down to the pharmacy and hand it over the counter to get birth control. It's so much more direct to just have you employer send the cash to an insurance company which in turn sends (some of) it to the pharmacy, while you... still have to go down to the pharmacy to get it. Yeah, that's, that's so much better.
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"defense of stupid policies"
Not defending any policies. Just surprised to see a libertarian advocating more pointless paperwork as a solution to anything.
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"You CANNOT claim that religious "feeling" is greater than a worker's liberty"
You actually make some good points, but the quote above is a sticking point. How do you define worker's liberty? Nobody has a "natural" right to other peoples' stuff. Liberty does not include free contraceptives. This is Sullum's entire point.
The primary concern of Separation if Church and State was the State presuming to have a say in governing churches. Where the Founders had come from was a situation where the Head of State presimed to be Head of the Church. Your argument turns Separation on it head puts the State in charge of the churches and make freedom of religion a dead letter.
The problem is not the religious morality, the problem is that government has made it mandatory to provide a particular class of service. People then call this service a "right" and wring their hands that there's now a conflict. There is no conflict of rights. Taxpayer provided contraception is not a right!
if someone wants a contraceptive they should have to right to go out and buy it, but they have no right to demand that someone else buy it or subsidize it or even put it within easy reach on a shelf.
Half of these products should be available over the counter anyway.
Re: Michael Hindered,
The article is not talking about one liberty overriding the other. The article talls about the idea that an entitlement overrides a liberty.
Your assessment is thus wrong.
Besides this, mandates on businessess do not equate to worker's freedoms. You're merely equivocating.
Let's put the government in charge of cell phones and let the market handle health care.
With health care for the poor, we had a free market as late as LBJ .
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After 50 years, we can't even show a better way to do what's being done now. We extol free markets, but ignore their outcomes. Romance private charities, with no idea of what they did.
"MAGA!" - Michael Hihn
Well if you actually listen you can hear how markets can improve both the provision and financing of healthcare. Sticking your fingers in your years while chanting "where's your plan? where's your plan?" does not mean there haven't been repeated serious proposals for market reforms in healthcare. You just refuse to look at them.
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"Let's put the government in charge of cell phones"
I suppose that's one way of dealing with the idiots who prioritize running their ratchet-jaw over trivia like driving, or being polite in theaters.
Which stands if the Little Sisters of the Poor were protesting against "free stuff" No, they were protesting that asking them to state that they object is making them complicit in sin.
"natural" right? WTF is that? And how did stuff become someone's stuff? Naturally? or "Naturally"?
I put natural in scare quotes because not everyone thinks that is a valid theory of rights. I shouldn't have done that because I think it is valid.
"how did stuff become someone's stuff?" Are you one of those people that doesn't believe in private property?
It seems like every time a conservative or libertarian puts forth a proposal to make the pill available over the counter, it's the progressives who oppose it. Even though having it OTC would empower women to make their own choices independent of any bureaucracy.
In this, the progressives' masks slip. They aren't concerned at all about women's welfare. They are only concerned with having causes that increase their own power and enable them to control people.
Of course, most of us know this obvious truth. But it helps to have a specific example to point it out.
If you favor socialized health care, you're not a libertarian. I'm not one of those 'anyone who isn't an ancap isn't a real libertarian' people; but if you favor nationalizing of a fifth of the economy (probably a quarter of it in a few years), then you're not much closer to being a libertarian than to being a socialist.
I'm also willing to bet most of the people who want to nationalize health care are also amenable to the idea of nationalizing the banking industry, and likely a few other big ones.
So you've read John Goodman's (of the Independent Institute) works on the matter? What about the economist John Cochrane's ideas about healthcare reform?
"Worker's right to liberty." You didn't finish your sentence. Liberty to do what? What were the Little Sisters trying to prevent their workers from doing? Did they bar them from the doors of the pharmacies?
No, they were never violating or threatening to violate the rights of their workers in any way, any more than I'm violating your right to eat right now by not buying you a cheese burger. Nor should they have to state a reason for it, any more than they should have to state a reason for not buying every employee a free umbrella or toaster. And if the workers don't like this arrangement, they are free to resign. The only party here whose liberty is at stake is the Little Sisters, and it is the state that is threatening it.
Hi Hihn! How have you been doing?
Up until I posted, I'd seen all the posts here, noted that you had said some stuff, but nothing (as of that time) that was wrong enough to be worth responding to. But now you've responded to me. So here goes.
Fanatic, adjective: filled with or expressing excessive zeal. I am a follower of he who drove out the money changers from his Father's Temple and of whom it was said "zeal for your house consumes me, and the insults of those who insult you fall on me", so yes, calling me zealous, and I guess "fanatic" (any negative connotations omitted) would describe me well enough. And even if I were to object to the term due to the negative connotations, telling that to the obvious atheist Hank Phillips seems like a waste of time. It seemed better to show why his point made no sense rather than try to get him to avoid name-calling. The thing I should object to would be the "religious" part, as the New Testament only uses the term once in a positive way. Again, this is how he would understand me best so why argue it?
The point isn't what someone calls me, though, it's about adhering to the concept of "do unto others" and "do not steal" and "do not murder" (as well as "an eye for an eye", known as "justice"). Refusing to initiate force, NAP, is the way by which I attempt to fulfill that.
Just can't help yourself, now can you Hihn? Let's look at what you have to say.
No, it doesn't. Let's look at the Scripture:
"These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess--as long as you live in the land." Deuteronomy 12:1 (very similar passages in Deuteronomy 12:28 and Deuteronomy 4:40).
So these laws only apply to Ancient Hebrews living in Palestine, until the time God removed them from the land. Why are these laws just? Well:
"The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you reside in my land as foreigners and strangers." Leviticus 25:23
So the land is God's, and he is the land owner. Land owner gets to make the rules. If there were squatters on your land sacrificing their children on an alter (with fire), you'd also be within your rights to kill them, or at least drive them off your land.
So, basically, you're an atheist attempting to lecture me on what Scripture says, and doing it quite poorly.
I'm an An-Cap. I don't defend the state doing anything, at all. Try again.
Hihn, sincerely:
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
Yes, you "got" something, that's for sure.
As for Deuteronomy 13, I've already shown that the land is God's, and his to do as he saw fit. Those Israelites were not forced to stay on the land if they wanted to go their own way, but if they were on God's land, they followed God's rules. Property rights.
And all the people committed to the agreement in Exodus 19:8, they were commanded to renew it when they reached the land in Deuteronomy 27, and finally did it in Joshua 24.
Well, if that bit of needless cursing actually was a question, I just answered you. Those commands were for only Ancient Hebrews in Palestine, as the Scripture plainly states.
Your new logical fallacy: Loaded question. I've never objected to marriage "equality". Government has no place in marriage (or anything else, for that matter).
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
and give you peace.
I showed you precisely where it says that only applies to Ancient Hebrews in Palestine. Deuteronomy 12:1, Deuteronomy 12:28, and Deuteronomy 4:40 (and add in Leviticus 25:23 in there too). I know this makes your whole view of all Christians incorrect, but the truth can do that.
I didn't say you lied. I said you were wrong. It's right there in plain English.
I don't. I don't know why you try to be such a hassle about that which you know so very little about. I'm guessing a "Christian" kicked your dog, or something.
No. It's none of government's business, and no force should be applied to anyone who "marries" or calls something "marriage". Right and wrong have precious little to do with what government should do.
Again, Hihn:
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
and give you peace.
Hihn, you cannot help yourself, again.
To be fair, the Scripture does say that certain people, living on God's land as squatters or as guests, should be put to death for certain (very) evil things. The property owner (God, per Leviticus 25:23) has the right to kick them off his land or kill them. Property rights.
Nowhere does the Scripture say I must kill people who do the same. I'm not an Ancient Hebrew in Palestine.
The Atheist only knows what he does due to his irrational hatred of God. The Christian knows what he does due to a lifelong study and love for Scripture. The Christian can cite, precisely, where the Atheist is wrong, but in this case, the Atheist will not recognize his error, because that would mean he'd have to change his mind.
Indeed, every time any one of us sins, it is just like crucifying Christ again (Hebrews 6:6). Telling you the truth of Scripture is not a sin.
Yes, indeed, Christ did command that non-life threatening attacks should be met with no response. This is not a command of what justice (repayment) is, but what one should voluntarily do. But your "logic" is once again incomplete because you don't know the Scripture:
"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.'" Luke 22:36
When Jesus left them, they would have to take care of themselves, even to the point of protecting themselves with the sword. So Jesus recognized self-defense.
I don't know why you keep arguing this, I've shown you this before. But:
"Of them the proverbs are true: 'A dog returns to its vomit,' and,'A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.'" 2 Peter 2:22
I am by no means righteous by myself. Only God and I know how unrighteous I am without him. But you will call anyone who has God's righteousness evil to suit your own worldview.
In fact, my blessing of you is completely in following with another Scripture (from the sermon on the mount) you don't know:
"Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you." Luke 6:28
So I bless you, HIhn, and will continue to do so.
Please, do pray tell, in what way have I used Christ to "club" others? Good luck with that one.
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:8-9
It isn't that I am without sin, Hihn, it is that Christ sent his Son, his precious one, to die for me, and for the rest of us, while we were still shaking our fists at him in rebellion. While we deserved nothing but death, he took that death on himself (justice is repayment) to save us, if we would only accept that he paid it for himself. We have done nothing to deserve this free gift and our works can never be good enough. He loves us more than you can understand, Hihn. He loves even me!
The Lord Bless you!
When did I say "lie"?
No, it's not in the Scripture to kill all the infidels. It's in there to kill all of certain squatters on God's land. Second, you said the Scripture commands me to kill them, and I am not an Ancient Hebrew in Palestine and the Scripture clearly states:
"These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess--as long as you live in the land." Deuteronomy 12:1
So you were wrong twice.
Being wrong is no shame, Hihn, Remaining wrong when you've been shown it is.
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
and give you peace.
I answered someone else, you butted in, and proved that giving you new information on what Scripture actually says makes literally no difference to what you believe. You continue in your error regardless of any fact, reason, or logic.
Telling you that you are incorrect is not casting a stone, Hihn. The man was talking about real stones, not facts or words. For some more Scripture you don't know:
"For [Apollos] vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah." Acts 18:28
Because if only the perfect man could tell people they were wrong only Jesus could.
You know nothing of Scripture, Hihn. Those verses do exist (as I have never denied) and they apply, to Ancient Hebrews in Palestine (Deuteronomy 12:1). Ignoring that fact doesn't make it go away.
Bless you, Hihn. Your actions only help me prove my point!
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you,
and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you,
and give you peace.
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