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CalExit Secession Movement Dies the Way It Lived: Stupidly

Organizer decides he wants to continue to live in Russia.

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One notably bizarre, disorganized push to turn California into its own country is dead—at least for now. Its leader, Louis J. Marinelli, announced that he is canceling the petition and pulling up stakes. While he said he believed in the struggle for California's independence "from the United States so we could build the kind of country that reflects our progressive values," he has decided on a new path.

He's decided he'd rather live in Russia, which is not exactly famous for its progressiveness.

In a missive released yesterday afternoon he said that life in Russia would offer him "a future detached from the partisan divisions and animosity that has thus far engulfed [his] entire life." Yes, one imagines it is true that he's going to face much less partisan divisiveness in Russia given how frequently very bad things happen to those who oppose the status quo there.

The CalExit push—a ballot initiative that would have given California residents the opportunity to vote on whether the country should secede from the union—was an obscure effort that suddenly became a high-profile movement due to dissatisfaction from coastal and tech community progressives with President Donald Trump's election as president.

Almost immediately after CalExit began getting real press coverage did the fact that organizer Marinelli was actually living in Russia, not America, also start getting attention. That news raised the specter that this was all another potential attempt to sow chaos by Russian government operatives. Another leader (who also resigned this week) told the Sacramento Bee that possible donors started backing out once Marinelli's background came to light, fearing that the secession movement would be tied to Vladimir Putin.

Despite the increased profile from the secession movement, the Sacramento Bee also notes that it didn't seem to actually translate into practical organizing skills. They still had not raised any money and it wasn't even clear whether they were even collecting signatures. They need more than half a million to actually make it to the ballot.

While secession efforts are generally supportable methods for citizens to control their own political destinies, I've been a massive critic of CalExit due to the utter obliviousness of supporters like Marinelli about the state's make-up and financial state. CalExit supporters seemed to be unaware that there was more to the state than the progressive and wealthy coastal communities and that large swathes of inland California were full Trump voters who had been historically attempting to break off into their own states to get away from the big cities and Sacramento's rulership. Furthermore CalExit's proponents had convinced themselves that California's struggles were due to the federal government taking their money and not due to the state's own spending choices, massive debts, and unsustainable pension commitments with state and local government employees.

Over at the National Review, Kevin D. Williamson delved into the general incoherence of this particular secession drive in a cover story (hitting the stands right as the whole thing collapsed) and interviewed Marinelli, who like many coastal Californians, didn't seem to be quite aware of the rest of the state's populace.

Williamson also took note of other efforts to break up California, like conservative or libertarian citizens deeper within the state to the north who want to get away from their domineering southern and coastal citified brothers and sisters and create the state of Jefferson. Why shouldn't they? The state's power has become more and more entrenched with urban and government body interests, and those who don't live in those areas continue to struggle for any sort of representation at all.

Recall the state's decision to dramatically increase the minimum wage. It's not as big a nightmare in urban environments where wages and the costs of living are already generally higher (though to be clear—it is going to make it harder for some people to enter the workforce, even in cities). It's in rural parts of the state where people simply cannot afford to pay higher costs for goods in order to fund the wage increases where it's going to hurt. And there's absolutely no interest state leaders care. Indeed, Gov. Jerry Brown famously indicated that he knew a statewide minimum wage increase was bad economics but approved it anyway for political interests.

Steven Greenhut wrote just last week that efforts to break up California probably aren't going to be going away anytime soon. And one of the leaders of CalExit told the Sacramento Bee he was going to join yet another movement for California to secede and hopes to launch a new ballot initiative.

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  1. He’s decided he’d rather live in Russia, which is not exactly famous for its progressiveness.

    It’s communist, is it not?

    1. Progressive = “commie” + “woke”

      Or something. Like most political designations, it’s probably mostly just a label for a team.

  2. Despite the increased profile from the recession movement, the Sacramento Bee also notes that it didn’t seem to actually translate into practical organizing skills.

    What do you expect? This is the age of the awareness movement. Nobody asks that you do anything more than raise awareness of whatever the pet cause of the day is.

    1. “He had just about enough intelligence to open his mouth when he wanted to eat, but certainly no more.”
      ? P.G. Wodehouse

  3. It’s the Federal Government ironically, that prevents California from engaging in deficit spending. It’s the U.S. Constitution ironically, that prevents California from just printing money. As a nation, California would have no restriction on it. We would resemble Venezuela within a couple of years.

    This is a state where the constitution can be altered by a simple referendum, and DOES get altered every two years on a whim. The Federal Government acts as a huge check on the state.

    1. Which I suspect is the real reason why some people want to secede. Trump is a useful excuse/ bogeyman, but really they just want to be free to go Full Retard without the fedgov holding them back.

      1. Yeah. Like my friend who constantly says he would not mind paying higher taxes. Not only does he refuse to voluntarily pay more in taxes, he also refuses to save for his own retirement. He’s due for mandatory retirement in less than a decade, but his finances are an absolute shambles. He had a fully paid off house (inherited) he sold so he could move into a high end second-childhood rental.

        He’s pro-tax because he’s financially illiterate. He is the perfect Californian.

        1. Why are you friends with him? There isn’t a lot of respect showing in your post.

          1. Why are you friends with him? There isn’t a lot of respect showing in your post.

            I can’t speak for Brandybuck specifically, but I don’t see anything in the libertarian ethos about actively avoiding people who shed income/assets in order to advance their particular brand of incoherence. I find some portions that actively encourage it actually.

            1. I’m not talking about that necessarily, I’m asking just because Brandybuck is clearly using his friend as an example of someone to be mocked for financial numbskullery. Feels like the friend is being thrown under the bus a bit.

              1. What, you don’t have friends who make hilariously bad decisions in some areas of life but are worth being around for other reasons?

                1. Sure.

                  But I don’t trot them out to be other people’s punchlines.

          2. Because he’s okay in the non-political sphere. Not everything comes down to politics. I don’t dump friends just because they voted for Johnson instead of McAfee.

            1. What if they voted for Petersen?

        2. Similar to one of the people who goes to my church who also says he would not mind paying higher taxes. I asked him about his current tax return, he did not give me exact amounts but upon questioning did say that he and his wife are in the 25% fed marginal rate and 9.3% CA marginal tax rate. They itemize deductions and he claimed to have over twice the standard deduction. He makes too much to be able to make the full deductible IRA amount of $6,500 but his wife can and they do deduct the maximum they can each year.

          So I told him if he really wanted to pay more in taxes to just take the standard deduction rather than itemize and to contribute to a non-deductible Roth rather than the traditional deductible IRA. I figure that would have him paying at least an additional $6,551($12,600 + 6,500 x (.25 + .093)) in fed and state income taxes. The IRS won’t argue with you about that as you are not required to itemize or make a deductible IRA contribution and doing so now does not preclude you from doing those two things in the future. Of course he balked at my suggestion.

        3. Similar to one of the people who goes to my church who also says he would not mind paying higher taxes. I asked him about his current tax return, he did not give me exact amounts but upon questioning did say that he and his wife are in the 25% fed marginal rate and 9.3% CA marginal tax rate. They itemize deductions and he claimed to have over twice the standard deduction. He makes too much to be able to make the full deductible IRA amount of $6,500 but his wife can and they do deduct the maximum they can each year.

          So I told him if he really wanted to pay more in taxes to just take the standard deduction rather than itemize and to contribute to a non-deductible Roth rather than the traditional deductible IRA. I figure that would have him paying at least an additional $6,551($12,600 + 6,500 x (.25 + .093)) in fed and state income taxes. The IRS won’t argue with you about that as you are not required to itemize or make a deductible IRA contribution and doing so now does not preclude you from doing those two things in the future. Of course he balked at my suggestion.

    2. “It’s the Federal Government ironically, that prevents California from engaging in deficit spending. It’s the U.S. Constitution ironically, that prevents California from just printing money. As a nation, California would have no restriction on it. We would resemble Venezuela within a couple of years.”

      Quicker than that. Water costs would skyrocket. Electricity costs would skyrocket (after all, they wouldn’t be ostensibly free any longer). State would have to reimburse the Feds for the cost of all roads built there. All military bases gone and, poof, there goes a lot of economic power. Nice tariffs on their movies. They’d have to establish a currency backed by…nothing. A military because Mexico would likely love to get CA back. Plus, their pension problem is going to absolutely obliterate them and, on their own, there is zero chance of a bailout (as opposed to the tiny chance of one now).

      The backers seemed to think they’d keep the same agreements they have now. They were fools.

      1. Heck the Feds own like 40% of the land out there. Movies are edited out there but they are filming less and less out there cause of the taxes labor laws etc. Mexico what would California do when China and Russia start drilling off their coasts without a Navy to enforce it’s economic exclusion zone. Electricity for sure since a bunch of it comes from out of state. Their National Parks bring in a bunch of tourism. Will they be able to maintain them? Plus once the environuts get a hold of them there will be hardly anything that one can do there.

      2. All US security clearance immediately void. Therefore all aerospace workers on unemployment (if they keep that program). No US passports, therefore no “foreign” travel to or from any other country (aka USA); perhaps a one time exemption to allow any resident caught out of the new country to return. No airline flights to/from the US until all relevant security matters resolved. All airport workers now on unemployment. No US courts, all those workers on unemployment. The Pacific fleet out to sea, no more payroll taxes, wild spending sailors. No FDIC, bank runs by the gazilllion. The Marines would probably keep Camp LeJune like we kept Gitmo, complete with all those evil guns. No imports from the US until proper treaties established; no food, clothing, medicine except what is produced in the new country. No international imports until new treaties negotiated. Port workers now on unemployment.
        Oh, wait. All those new people on unemployment can’t be paid, because there is no banking system. Starvation in the streets the second week; riots break out, but there is no national guard. Mexico refuses to allow flight south.
        Yep, a wonderful idea.

    3. The CalExit plan was to keep using the dollar, have Californians stay in Social Security and Medicare if they wanted to, stop sending surplus funds to DC, and either lard up state worker union retirements or lower taxes (guess which one) from the savings of not supporting a military empire.

      So this leader was a flake, what do you expect? That doesn’t mean an independent California isn’t a good idea.

      1. There was some weirdness on that as Marinelli pushed for a harder version of CalExit as time went on. He’d originally been involved with the CNP and had wanted a sub-sovereignty solution. The CNP is still intact (and Marinelli hasn’t been involved for a while although they allege he’s been regularly using language to conflate them and Yes California).

      2. “The CalExit plan was to keep using the dollar, have Californians stay in Social Security and Medicare if they wanted to…”

        If THEY wanted to?

        It wouldn’t be up to them. I doubt the rest of the country would be willing to let them do that and therefore Congress would vote for the federal government to cut them off from Social Security and Medicare.

        1. Yeah, seems like they didn’t really game it out that far….

        2. Well, the social security payments to recipients could resume as soon as the new nation created a banking system. SS payments continue to expatriates. Not so much on the Medicare/Medicaid front though. And they could not impose US payroll taxes on non US citizens. Not to mention other US payroll taxes, say unemployment insurance?

  4. Oh well.

    What am I going to do now with all this popcorn?

    1. Just hang on to it, you’ll get plenty more chances to kick back and enjoy the shitshow. Peak Derp is a myth after all.

  5. Is California too big to fail?

    1. It’s just a matter of time before the state goes bankrupt. If nothing changes, I actually expect the state to split. You can’t have three counties rule a state with an iron hand for too long, before the other 55 counties get fed up with it.

      But the split won’t be “libertarian” in nature. The State of Jefferson movement actually start in the Great Depression when Northern California and Southern Oregon noticed that all the juicy pork was going to Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. They wanted their own slice of the pie. Today rural California is chock full of permanently unemployed non-tech workers. They want dole, and becoming a new state may be the easiest way to get that dole. The Kulture War may drive spark the split, but the promise of moar moneh will drive it.

    2. No. Not even sure it’d get me up in the morning if California seceded.

  6. “…and interviewed Marinelli, who like many coastal Californians, didn’t seem to be quite aware of the rest of the state’s populace.”

    Naturally. He doesn’t need to be aware of them. Dumb fucks need to toe the progressive line, brah.

    1. Meh he got his start in social conservative politics (allegedly) being a big online organizer for the National Organization for Marriage. Brian Brown disputes his claim.

      Marinelli very much seems like a self-aggrandizing opportunist rather than an ideologue of any sort.

    2. You should read the NR piece. Marinelli can’t be accurately described as a progressive.

  7. “…In a missive released yesterday afternoon he said that life in Russia would offer him “a future detached from the partisan divisions and animosity that has thus far engulfed [his] entire life.”…”

    Onion!

  8. Rats!
    Well, maybe someone will take over the effort to cleanse the USA.

  9. That news raised the specter that this was all another potential attempt to sow chaos by Russian government operatives

    For some reason my mind read that as “attempt to sow crassness,” which is just as good a description of the result of said alleged action.

  10. Russia? RUSSIA?!?!?!

    How’s the borsch, comrade?

    What’s it like to be in bed with Vladimir Putin, the Great Satin Evil Against Democracy?

    Just another Putin stooge!

    Crucify Him!

    1. Oh no, the Great Satin! What’s he gonna do, make my sheets soft?

      OK, I’ll stop being a dick now.

  11. Reason Commentator Shackford is gay, and Russia is decidedly not gay friendly. So I sympathize with that. It is also not porn friendly, and just recently allowed Russians to access PORNHUB. It has high HIV and STD rates.
    However, Russia is not more illiberal in its political expression. Its television channels and media criticize Putin regularly. They invite Polish, Ukrainian and US representatives on frequently. Maybe its like our cable news networks have token liberals on Fox and Conservatives on CNN, but they are there. The Russian people love it because they consider them fools.
    No one has ever proved that Putin has murdered anyone. There is undoubtedly minor harassment of opposition parties, but there is no gulag like some of our allies (Turkey) have. I saw an anti Russian group on C-SPAN accuse Russia of having about 130 political prisoners. Oh, what I would give to have only 130 political prisoners in the US! Constitutional Conservative Sheriff Richard Mack has a petition to free America’s political prisoners, specifically at least a hundred.
    Can Reason try to have a more balanced view on Russia? Not if they feature rabid neo-cons like Michael Weiss, I’m afraid.

    1. Hi Vlad.

    2. i would like to know the truth behind what Vlad did to Gary Kasperof, the chess player. Gary got the fuck out after he fucked with Putin.

    3. Nice! Using Soviet style ‘whataboutism’ arguments in defense of modern Russia!

      It’s rare to see that level of head-up-your-ass irony, but I do appreciate the effort LFR. Amusingly I’ve seen more and more examples of this type of logical fallacy crop up in defense of Russia since Hillary went full retard during the election and starting ratting that saber.

      People are just stupid if they fall for the line that the United States is ‘just as bad’ as Russia. It’s an entire nation that looks rather like Detroit outside of a few cities.

      1. We do like to kill masses of innocent civilians, destabalise entire regions, and we have abandoned free market capitalism so we are not that great anymore.
        We are just still the best place to be by leaps and bounds if you want some liberty and a chance to make it rich with a little law and order…and a shitload of oppressive regulations.

    4. “I saw an anti Russian group on C-SPAN accuse Russia of having about 130 political prisoners. Oh, what I would give to have only 130 political prisoners in the US!”

      Well if you consider all the people in Crimea and the other parts of Ukraine illegally grabbed by Russia as political prisoners, then Russia has a hell of a lot of them.

      1. That 130 figure was for one cell in one prison.

  12. Russia is not gay friendly. It is also not porn friendly, having recently allowed PORNHUB access. But Russia is not the civil rights enemy that Reason commentators suppose.
    Putin is regularly criticized in the press and television. There is no political prisoner gulag, like our ally Turkey and others have. Despite the spiritual and state ties to Orthodox religion, it is a freedom of religion country. Its schools are secular.
    An anti Russian group on C-Span complained that Russia has 130 political prisoners. Oh, what I would give to say America only has 130 political prisoners!
    Once again, I urge Reason to lighten up on the Russkies. And stop giving platforms to known jihadi porn neocons like Michael Weiss!

    1. Wait, really? Russia was almost entirely tangential to the article.

    2. Once again, I urge Reason to lighten up on the Russkies. And stop giving platforms to known jihadi porn neocons like Michael Weiss!

      Welp, you heard him, boys! Shut yer yap about the Russkies or the totally not a Russian plant is gonna have to get serious.

    3. Dobiiy dyen’, tovarisch! Kak dela?

  13. Sorry about the repition. I thought the first comment did not go through

  14. I know it was tangential, but Reason commentators continue to take tangential and half true shots at Russia at every opportunity, as if US was so perfect in comparison. I am just asking for some balance here. We are in a very bad situation with a major Nuclear power,and balance is called for. I didn’t have a chance to complain about Weiss,and took this opportunity. Lets all have a cup of Borscht and try not to deal in stereotypes about a country and culture that is under continual propaganda attack, um, Okay?

    1. “but Reason commentators continue to take tangential and half true shots at Russia at every opportunity, as if US was so perfect in comparison”

      Lookin a bit sandy down there. Making a pearl?

      People take shots at Russia because Russia deserves them. If you think, as you seem to, that it is in an attempt to make the US look better, then you really came to the wrong place.

    2. The US is so perfect, in comparison.

    3. Reason commenters bitch about the US way more than Russia. Russia is seldom mentioned here.

      And it’s a pity Russia is the victim of a “propaganda attack” to make them look bad. No other country, certainly not the US, could possibly understand what that is like…

    4. I know it was tangential, but Reason commentators continue to take tangential and half true shots at Russia at every opportunity,

      Are you kidding, or are you being sarcastic?

      Russia is a dictatorship run by the ex-KGB chief; formerly, it was the most homicidal, oppressive, totalitarian, and destructive regime in human history.

  15. Wait, my check from Putin just arrived. Going to the bank, see ya!

    1. No worries, I got this.

      1. sky not ski if it’s romanized from cyrillic as compared to actually Polish (general rule, not a given or law)

  16. “He’s decided he’d rather live in Russia, which is not exactly famous for its progressiveness.”

    Yeah, I noticed that too.

    “Fuck you and your oppression of speech. I’m moving to North Korea!!”

    I’m betting Vlad loves his progressive values. Putin seems like quite the Prog.

    …well, he’s violent and likes silencing dissent, so he does seem somewhat Progressive.

  17. First Marinelli and now Ossoff. What is up with Progs trying to run things when they’re not even living there?

    1. When you know what’s best for everyone, boundaries are irrelevant.

    2. He’s not a prog. He’s occasionally said proggie things to proggie audiences. His political ideology is as flexible as a Russian gymnast.

      1. Sounds kinda Proggy. Remember, they love free speech.

        Sort of. Long as it isn’t mean.

        1. Yeah, he started saying things about shared progressive values after the Trump election sent a bunch of OMG HOW COULD TRUMP Californians looking for masturbatory political movements. He’s an opportunist who has espoused beliefs all over the political map in a *very* short period of time.

          1. So he’s the Trump of California? Surprised he didn’t demand they build a wall and kick out the Inlanders.

      2. Cold war gymnast, or post-pestroika budget cut gymnast?

        1. I’m hurt you’d even have to ask.

  18. Here is definitive biography of Michael Weiss, Matt Welch’s buddy who appeared many times on the INDEPENDENTS, from his days as a Dartmouth undergrad , CNN contributor, jihadi pornster ala John McCain, and associate at the Legatum Institute, founded by Russian Oligarch who ripped off the Russian people for billions during the Yeltsin era. At least Kmele Foster seemed to see through this guy, but Welch, who offered tangential swipe at Assad by quoting a British source as saying Assad did the chemical attack without any proof. Hey, Welsh-Britain and Poland are the most anti Russian countries in Europe! See this article find out what Weiss is about-http://tinyurl.com/mmgm4vq
    Now I have to go back to my vodka and caviar and play with my Maryoshka dolls.

    1. Damn, dude. Take some Midol for that butthurt.

    2. Doesn’t Poland have some justification for not being pro-Russia?

      1. Moscow is rightful Polish Clay.

      2. Several pretty good ones come to mind.

  19. Too bad! I was reeaally hoping they would leave…

    So he is moving to Russia, eh? Great! We can now look forward to more progspiracy theories on how Putin was behind Calexit, just like he was behind the last election. This would make total sense to them, since without Cali, the dems are going to have an awfully tough time winning back the house/senate/presidency.

    1. He’s been living off and on in Russia for over a decade…Also Russian government officials have stated they encourage/fund him (and a few other secessionist movements around the west) as a cheap way to give American intelligence agencies a hard time without doing anything wrong.

      It’s sort of laughable that any of it’s news since it has zero impact on political reality, but it isn’t actually a conspiracy theory.

  20. As if we needed any more proof that California is a Bizarro-World Texas…

  21. They are way overdue for their 100 year mega-quake.
    Get on with it so we see how broke they really are.

  22. As someone born and raised in this beautiful state, I am firmly against any idea of secession. Yes we occasionally (ok frequently) produce a lot of ultra left nonsense and individuals, but it’s a big state and we don’t all meet at Haight and Ashbury for weekly Guevara worship and Marxist pamphlet distribution. A lot of CA is still rural farmland with moderate-conservative leanings. Besides, the US would never allow its most profitable and abundant state to secede, and I don’t really think I can take out a Russian battalion with my one semi-automatic and a belly full of gumption, so I would prefer to stay in the Union. I don’t even like the idea of dividing our state. We have distinct identities throughout, especially between NorCal and SoCal, but we still all identify as Californians. America is made strong by conflicting opinions and (sensible) debate. Trying to create a new state firmly centered on one ideology is never a good idea.

    1. America is made strong by conflicting opinions and (sensible) debate. Trying to create a new state firmly centered on one ideology is never a good idea.

      I do not know a single progressive (and I know quite a few) who would agree with you. If anything, most want nothing more than to ram their ideology down the unwashed red state masses throats. I see this where I live in Northern Virginia, the cosmopolitan DC types do not “get” the rest of the state, and don’t want to.

    2. Fake news.
      You state you are a Californian, and you state you have a semi-automatic. If that is a firearm, one of the statements must be false. Everybody knows California has strict gin control laws. That is why there is no gun violence in California.

      1. Well, maybe not gin, but certainly gun.

  23. What a surprise progressives lacking forward thinking not. But they honestly thought that the rest of the state would just go along. They honestly must have thought that the feds would just let them take the over 40% of California that is owned by the Feds without some form of compensation. What about the billions in economic activity they would lose when the US military all pulled out? The tax revenue loss there alone would sting. Did they think that some businesses(especially defense industry) would not say peace out facing the potential for massive tax, regulatory and labor cost hikes? What would their finance industry do? How would their banking exist without the federal reserve to back them up? Their citizens would be forced to pay cross border fees.

  24. RE: CalExit Secession Movement Dies the Way It Lived: Stupidly

    “No state will leave the union. Once you’re in, you’re in for life.”

    Don Corleogne

  25. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  26. In Russia they drink wodka and womit.

  27. It isn’t dead. There are three separate groups pushing for California secession. His was just one of the three. The other two weren’t happy about his ties to Russia, and in particular his setting up the first Californian Embassy in Moscow…. With him out of the way, the other two groups, the largest being ‘The California National Party’ should be able to attract his followers. The CNP is actually better organized and has a platform, is working on a Constitution, and has a lively FaceBook page. Back in 2014, only 20% of Californians were in favor of secession. After Trump’s election, that jumped to 30%. 30% was the percentage that led our country to leave Great Britain. We also hope that Trump will be in favor of our secession in that he was particularly supportive of Scottish secession and Brexit. Fair is fair, right?

    1. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out….

  28. California realized they can’t survive with out federal dollars especially the ACA

  29. “He’s decided he’d rather live in Russia, which is not exactly famous for its progressiveness.”

    Russia is famous for being at the post progressive point in history. The time after a progressive society collapses of its own contradictions.

  30. He’s decided he’d rather live in Russia, which is not exactly famous for its progressiveness.

    Are you kidding? Russia is the epitome of progressiveness: decades as a communist country run (into the ground) by a series of mass-murdering sociopaths and the greatest Marxist economists, central planners, and social scientists humanity has ever produced, then turning into a dictatorship under its secret police chief. Their leadership “invested” heavily in science and the space program, made sure science conformed to progressive ideals, protected the downtrodden, and brought their progressive ideology to the rest of the world, even going as far as placing their ambassadors in high positions in the US government, painful as it was for them to live in a country as backwards and racist as the US. And they just loved progress, hated homosexuals, and hated Jews and the wealthy.

    How could a country possibly be any more progressive than that?

  31. Alright State of Jefferson!!! I am from Mt. Shasta and it pisses everybody off to no end that the rest of the libtard state shafts the rural parts of the state which isn’t a homogeneous, liberal, control freak, nut basket. You go north of Sacramento and its majority conservatives and libertarians, its the same in Southern Oregon. Wish the state would break up, I even had a State of Jefferson flag on my denim vest.

  32. Do not believe the lies published here. The California Workers Party has seized control of the hive of villainy that was Sacramento which is henceforth to be known as Progressya. The New California is now awake.

    At this very moment our brown legions of brown warriors are massing along the border with our erstwhile countrymen.

    Also, we are now in a non-aggression pact with Nevada

  33. Also, Hausfrau Shackelford will be shot for publishing this pack of treasonous lies. He might want to say his good byes now to his jackal mother and pig-dog father.

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