Sean Spicer Implies Hitler Didn't Gas His Own People, United Airlines Also Having a Pretty Bad Day: P.M. Links

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  Folks, it's been a day. Sean Spicer made a tortured Hitler analogy: he was trying to say that Bashar al-Assad's chemical gas attack on his own people was more galling than anything Hitler attempted, which, well, ignores certain things. If you ever find yourself in the position of trying to explain why what Hitler did isn't technically chemical warfare, please stop. You're not winning.

• At least Justin Bieber no longer has to feel like the stupidest person alive.
• In other you're the literal worst news, United. Oh, United. CEO Oscar Munoz is sorry that passenger didn't consent to re-accommodation.
• Quick, let's dig up all the dirt on the passenger we possibly can.
• Jordan Peterson lecture at Harvard University goes off without a hitch.
• University of Michigan student government votes down free speech measure.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else talked about Hitler all the time?

[Juice]

Hermann Goering?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

/rubs forehead. Pops Advil.

Jesus Christ, Sean.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Hitler's mom?

[Citizen X - #6]

The History Channel?

[loveconstitution1789]

We used to call it the Hitler Channel because seemingly every show on there was about Hitler.

[Juice]

And then it was all about pawn shops and storage units for some damned reason.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Hitler's Pawn Shop was a damn good show.

[American Memer]

I'm pretty sure I almost called my rock band that in high school.

[Lord_at_War]

You gotta have somewhere to sell all those gold fillings and crowns...

[Jerry on the sea]

Erdogan?

[loveconstitution1789]

Stalin

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Journalists reporting on Trump?

[AlmightyJB]

Us

[SQRLSY One]

Everyone who has ever found himself or herself on the losing side of an argument!

PS, Fist... Yer just like Hitler, Dammit!!!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is it the mustache or the attempted genocide?

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

At least Justin Bieber no longer has to feel like the stupidest person alive.

He probably didn't feel it in the first place.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Which Canadian has the honor now?

[AlmightyJB]

As I stated on an earlier thread, I don't differentiate between Canadians.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Good point. They are all Bieber.

[Zeb]

No, that would require some self-awareness.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

What do you mean?

[Not a True MJG]

But why male models?

[Fist of Etiquette]

At least Justin Bieber no longer has to feel like the stupidest person alive.

If she were alive today, Frank would have voted Trump.

[Bill Dalasio]

If she were alive today, she'd be trying to dig her way out of her grave.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AND THEN SHE WOULD HAVE VOTED TRUMP.

[Libertarian]

She died and THEN voted? Wouldn't that mean she was a democrat?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, snap.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Quick, let's dig up all the dirt on the passenger we possibly can.

We still identify with the passenger treated shabbily by an airline. Plus, who hasn't traded drugs for gay sex or vice versa.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

he was trying to say that Bashar al-Assad's chemical gas attack on his own people was more galling than anything Hitler attempted, which, well, ignores certain things. If you ever find yourself in the position of trying to explain why what Hitler did isn't technically chemical warfare, please stop. You're not winning.

So we should hope to take a trip on the train rather than be sent to the "showers"?

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Folks, it's been a day. Sean Spicer made a tortured Hitler analogy:

And Chelsea Clinton, the former first daughter, tweeted: "I hope @PressSec takes time to visit @HolocaustMuseum. It's a few blocks away."

Cheah, Diane!

[Sigivald]

"I hope Chelsea Clinton can distinguish between genocidal mass execution using poison gas and the use of chemical weapons in warfare."

But I'm wrong, since obviously she can't.

[Fist of Etiquette]

CEO Oscar Munoz is sorry that passenger didn't consent to re-accommodation.

"It's not me. It's you."

[esteve7]

I don't get "re-accommodation". How are they allowed to do that? I bought a fucking ticket for your flight, and now you are telling me "oops." No, fuck you, how about you don't overbook your damn flight.

That would be like me buying a ticket to the Giants game and having AT&T Park tell me "well we already sold your seat so you can't go to this game", after I've already traveled and made plans to go to that game with my friends and family.

[Zeb]

Which is why what airlines usually do is offer money and free flights in exchange for voluntarily giving up a seat. And I'm sure that in this case they probably could have gotten someone to give up a seat if they'd raised the offer a bit more. Which probably would have done a whole lot less harm to the company than this mess has.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Yeah, a grand and a free upgrade to first class would have been a whole lot cheaper than this disaster.

[esteve7]

I'd be fucking pissed too if I had made plans and on one of my flights they kick me out because they sold my seat twice.

Seriously, fuck them for even having the right to do that. A ticket is a contract and they can just decide to void it whenever they want?

[Zeb]

Read the contract, don't just assume it says what you want it to.

The real stupidity was that they didn't have any reason to make this particular person give up his seat. With a sweet enough offer, I can't believe that another passenger on the flight couldn't have been convinced to give up a seat.

[mad.casual]

Read the contract, don't just assume it says what you want it to.

Not only that, it's a contract not an unbreakable magic spell. The pilot has a heart attack, guess what, your contract is null and void. The airline happens to own a plane and be renting you a seat for a couple hours. If the situation dictates that they rent the seat to someone else, they're allowed to at least attempt renegotiating the contract. And, push to shove, it's their airplane and they've got several hundred other contracts to honor besides you.

I'm not agreeing to the explicit use of force, but the notion that an airline ticket is some sort of magical aeronautical sovereignty voucher is absurd. Especially given all the accumulated knowledge about people being asked to step off flights for not-so-unusual clothing issue, check bags over a certain weight, purchase two seats if exceptionally obese, etc. This is no different than any other form of transportation. I'm fairly certain at least once I've hailed a cab and, after sitting down, the cabby informed me that he had to stop for gas. I know I've held tickets for the L and Metra and had to wait in line for a later departure behind people who had no tickets.

[mad.casual]

L and Metra being Chicago regional commuter rails.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

aeronautical sovereignty voucher

Now, THAT, people, is a Great Band Name.

[Free Society]

I can't believe that another passenger on the flight couldn't have been convinced to give up a seat.

Seems reasonable that when I make an offer that hundreds of my customers refuse to take me up on, I have the right to select one at random to bludgeon instead of making a better offer. How unlucky for everyone that they randomly selected someone from that 1% of the passenger population who says "Or else what, bitch?"

@mad.casual

magical aeronautical sovereignty voucher

*polite applause*

[TW]

I'm not sure if they *could* have raised the offer by much more. Apparently there is a law which says how much the airlines have to compensate passengers who are involuntarily bumped (twice the cost of fare to their destination or next stop not to exceed $675 if they're providing alternate transportation or four times the cost of the fare to their destination or next stop not to exceed $1350 if they're not). Depending on how much the fare was, they might not have been able to go higher than $800 (plus the hotel stay since the flight they were providing was the next day).

[dschwar]

If I remember correctly from the news reports, I think those are regulations, not laws, and they set a floor for compensation, not a ceiling. The airline could have raised the offer.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

If UA lobbied to have that rule changed, we're long past the time for PR to point it out.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Unfortunately, overbooking is one of the reasons air travel remains affordable for most people. In this case, their procedures didn't not serve them well financially. Call it a teachable moment. Specifically, teaching airlines to order for safety reasons all electronics - especially devices with cameras - switched off before boarding the plane.

[esteve7]

Are there really that many people who buy a ticket and decide just to not show up? And how does that work if you have assigned seating?

[Zeb]

Apparently it was enough of a problem that they started overbooking. They don't do it just to annoy their customers.

A lot of the time, seats don't get assigned until you check in. I'm not sure what happens when you check in after all the seats have been assigned.

[Stormy Dragon]

How are they allowed to do that?

The airlines have enough political power that they can commit fraud with impunity.

[Mickey Rat]

I do not think this had much to do with overbooking per se. It had to do with getting a flight crew to their plane, and United just decided that was more important than their customer's plans so randomly kicked a row of people off.

[TW]

Inconveniencing four passengers versus inconveniencing an entire plane full of people who might have had their flight delayed or canceled.

[NOT a Naked Intruder]

Seems like an entire plane was already inconvenienced during this whole shebang. Their delay probably wasn't as large as the one expected for the flight needing that crew, but utilitarian thinking tends to piss people off.

Seems like this was a weak spot in their scheduling flight crews.

[Seamus]

Yeah, you're right. If Dao had been allowed to keep his seat, and the flight to which the crew was being deadheaded therefore had to be cancelled, then the passengers on that flight would have been slightly annoyed, but the fallout onto United would have been relatively trivial, because they would have no idea that they had been been all forced to take later flights (and possibly get a hotel room at their own expense) because one guy in Chicago had refused to accept $800 and a free hotel room so that *he* could take a later flight. It's like minimum wage: those who get raises are happy and like the law, while those who never get hired because they aren't worth $15/hour to employers have no clue that the law is the reason they're unemployed.

[Lord_at_War]

Inconveniencing four passengers versus inconveniencing an entire plane full of people who might have had their flight delayed or canceled.

Inconveniencing four paying passengers versus inconveniencing a multimillion dollar company that seemingly can't do logistics.

If you go to a restaurant with your wife and decide to stay and have an "after-dinner drink", can they have the cops drag your ass out so as not to inconvience other customers?

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

Booking too many people sure seems like overbooking per se.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Quick, let's dig up all the dirt on the passenger we possibly can.

I'll leave that to the paid professionals.

[esteve7]

how about someone call the wall street journal? I hear they write sham tabloid hit pieces all the time, since they are all fucking hacks. Can't wait for them to go out of business along with the rest of the legacy media

#PewDiePieDidNothingWrong

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

At least Justin Bieber no longer has to feel like the stupidest person alive.

When you look that good you are allowed to be stupid.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Nobody who can dance like that is 'full retard'.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

You're telling me. That body, those moves, that voice, and that hog? Dreamy.

*fans self*

[Lord_at_War]

Ask Hairboy Trudeau.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Some students who voted against the measure cited concerns that, if approved, it's essentially "legitimizing certain hate speech," "delegitimizing minorities on campus" and "putting people at risk," according to the minutes of the March 28 Central Student Government meeting.

The world needs ditch diggers, too.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Folks, it's been a day. Sean Spicer made a tortured Hitler analogy: he was trying to say that Bashar al-Assad's chemical gas attack on his own people was more galling than anything Hitler attempted, which, well, ignores certain things. If you ever find yourself in the position of trying to explain why what Hitler did isn't technically chemical warfare, please stop. You're not winning.

Eat a dick, Rico. It's well-known Hitler was hospitalized after an attack with mustard gas during the First World War and didn't employ those types of weapons. An execution device is something else entirely.

Spicer's a moron for bringing up Hitler. You're just ignorant or signally your wokeness. Probably both.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Oh boy.

[Citizen X - #6]

So THAT comment happened.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Chemical weapons gave us the Hitler mustache. Think about it.

[Juice]

I thought it was Charlie Chaplin.

[American Memer]

Wasn't it just an underemployed razor?

[Zeb]

Spicer's a moron for bringing up Hitler.

I think that's really the point he's bringing up. Whether or not Hitler used chemical weapons, I think "If you ever find yourself in the position of trying to explain why what Hitler did isn't technically chemical warfare, please stop. You're not winning." is a true statement.

It's a terrible argument to make. No, Hitler didn't use chemical weapons on the battlefield. He did something much worse: using them against millions of innocent non-combatants in prison camps.

[Fist of Etiquette]

In Spicer's mind, like so many Godwinners, he was certain he had a slam dunk argument. But you know who else had ideas in theory that didn't work in practice?

[Citizen X - #6]

Libertarians? [runs away]

[Unicorn Abattoir]

It'll be different this time!!

[Sigivald]

"Only Rothbardites!"

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Elon Musk, human paladin?

[dschwar]

Albert Michelson and Edward Morley?

[Lord_at_War]

But you know who else had ideas in theory that didn't work in practice?

Marx, Mao, Stalin, Lysenko, Pol Pot, and Jonathan Gruber....

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

I think it's a stretch to categorize a gas chamber as a weapon.

[Zeb]

Yeah, I see what you are saying. But you'd think that the press secretary would be savvy enough to know what kind of reaction he'd get. It was just incredibly stupid to try to make a "worse than Hitler" comparison.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Agreed. It's fucking stupid to make favorable comparisons to Hitler, more so if you are a politician, and even more so if you're talking to the retards in today's WH press corps.

That doesn't make Rico any less of a disingenuous fuck. I have no idea why I expect better from him, though

[Calidissident]

It's only disingenuous if for some reason you think anyone who doesn't think the distinction you're drawing is meaningful in this context is disingenuous. Saying "even Hitler didn't use chemical weapons" because you could technically argue using them to exterminate people doesn't count as using them as a weapon is fucking idiotic even if you assume it's semantically correct.

[Not a True MJG]

That doesn't make Rico any less of a disingenuous fuck.

It doesn't? Because you just keep saying the same thing he said, albeit with less Internety snark.

[Free Society]

Yeah well Sean Spicer is Literally Goebbels.

[Not a True MJG]

Oh boy.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

He didn't die - he just didn't want to go bald on TV! Former Blue's Clues host Steve Burns confirms he IS alive despite years of rumors and explains why he disappeared from our screens 15 years ago

Bald-shamer! Rise up, fellow baldies, rise up against this monster!

[$park? leftist poser]

Bald Shamer is my nickname for my penis.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Jordan Peterson lecture at Harvard University goes off without a hitch.

"I think disciplines like women's studies should be defunded," he said. "We're causing full time, destructive employment for people who are causing nothing but trouble. What they promote has zero intellectual credibility."

What's the over/under on how many marriages this guy has had? haha.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

He is actually an interesting guy.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Yeah, I like the dude. He made me feel better about myself after I failed that Harvard innate racism test.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

He made me feel better about myself after I failed that Harvard innate racism test.

LOL

[Bra Ket]

Innate racism tests are unbeatable. They're the Kobayashi Maru of psychological testing, certain destruction no matter what you choose.

[Lord_at_War]

He made me feel better about myself after I failed that Harvard innate racism test

Are you slow, or just dumb?

I figured out about halfway through the first time you just need slow down a bit on "white=good" responses. I got a "mildly positive" on POC. The second time I took it, you would have thought I was Rachel Dolezal.

[Jerry on the sea]

CEO Oscar Munoz is sorry that passenger didn't consent to re-accommodation.

You know what other folks didn't consent to re-accommodation?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Transgenders with full bladders?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I have their first album, BTW.

[American Memer]

Sloopy's mom?

(Sorry not sorry)

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Coup, a New Manhattan Bar, Aims to Serve Up an Antidote to Trump

The name is not a twist on coupe, as one might guess, given Mr. DeRossi's cocktail connections. It's just Coup, as in "d'?tat." Mr. DeRossi intends to use the bar to convert his political paralysis into liquid action.

"One-hundred percent of the profits are going to organizations that are either being defunded by the current administration or need money to fight the current administration, like Planned Parenthood and the A.C.L.U.," he said.

The bar's message will be unmistakable: Mr. DeRossi has commissioned artists to recreate some of the more clever signs that protesters have been brandishing at anti-Trump rallies and marches over the past few months. At Coup, they will become d?cor

I know where I'm headed this weekend.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

One-hundred percent of the profits are going to organizations that are either being defunded by the current administration or need money to fight the current administration, like Planned Parenthood and the A.C.L.U

Thereby proving the libertarian argument that if these organizations weren't subsidized by taxpayers at gunpoint, people who actually agree with their missions will step up and pay for it themselves?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

This goes for the Pentagon as well.

[Lord_at_War]

This goes for the Pentagon as well

Or, maybe even Socialist InSecurity, Mediscare, Public Schools, the EPA, or Solyndra.

[Bill Dalasio]

One-hundred percent of the profits are going....

After, of course, Mr. DeRossi's "modest" salary for managing the place. And concession agreements with his other bars.

[Free Society]

Mr. DeRossi has commissioned artists to recreate some of the more clever signs that protesters have been brandishing at anti-Trump rallies and marches over the past few months.

So we can expect a crudely drawn vagina with "DRUMPF is Literally Hitler" written across it in bleeding red letters.

[TW]

So will these "commissioned artists" actually be paid with money or just expected to work for "exposure"?

[colorblindkid]

It's sad that this even needs to be a headline:

"Jordan Peterson lecture at Harvard University goes off without a hitch."

[Rufus The Monocled]

I know. Says a lot about the times.

[Citizen X - #6]

Robby is feeling pretty sassy this afternoon. Someone must have put a bunch of goji berries in his fruit sushi.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

He is hopped up on melon balls.

[Not a True MJG]

Honeydew melon.

[BTS11]

University of Michigan student government votes down free speech measure.: Because free speech is more dangerous than getting your head caved in by some "protesters"

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

University of Michigan student government votes down free speech measure.

The petitioning student's comments on the measures defeat is somewhat inspiring even in the darkness of defeat.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

That there is not broad agreement that free speech ought to be a universally beloved value serves only to show how coarsened our shared political life has become, how politicized even our university?and universities across the country?has become. Free speech is not a partisan, Left-Right issue. It is, rather, the "great leveler"; it allows all persons, without regard for social identity?whether "oppressed" or "privileged"?to speak, persuade, and learn. It is because of free speech that our society may identify problems, discuss them candidly, come to a consensus about what to do, and then continue to survive. ?

During the proceedings, CSG members disingenuously conflated lawful, peaceful protests?protests that allow campus events to proceed to their completion and which I support?with tantrums-cum-riots?infantile displays of irrational revulsion to ideas that do us all a disservice: stifling free expression, perpetuating a dangerous herd mentality, and leading in at least one instance to the physical assault of a left-wing scholar (nobody's safe!) ?

Certain members of CSG also unmasked themselves as would-be censorious authoritarians. Members explicitly stated that certain views were not welcome on campus. They would gleefully deprive you?an autonomous moral agent?of the right to hear what you want to hear and to then make your own judgment on the information.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

-Deion Kathawa, student of the University of Michigan.

I salute you, sir.

[Stormy Dragon]

Oh sure, everyone is in favor of Kathawa having free speech until he calls on Waywassimo and Annemeekee to slay the foul Pau-Puk-Keewis, and then suddenly there's mountains exploding all over campus.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

This reference, over my head it went.

[Stormy Dragon]

Longfellow's Song of Hiawatha

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

*tips hat*

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Someone needs to take that agitator to re-education sensitivity training.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Also, he said "cum-riots."

[Citizen X - #6]

That was my nickname in coll- you know what, never mind.

[Zeb]

Certain members of CSG also unmasked themselves as would-be censorious authoritarians.

Well, duh, what else is the point of joining student government. Fortunately, no one gives a crap what they do. Can anyone remember what student government did or who was in it when they were in college? I know I can't.

[Meh.]

At the school I went to, they were pretty powerless, so they just used to their funding to give out free shit, which was supposed to attract us to school events. I remember they got in trouble for giving away shot glasses, but then they relabeled them as "toothpick holders" and were allowed to hand them out again.

[Zeb]

Shot glasses should be considered a moderation device. We usually just used juice glasses stolen from the dining hall.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Fun fact: "Toothpick Holder" was Zeb's nickname in college.

[Zeb]

Who wants to guess why?

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

or who was in it when they were in college?

My roommate. I caught him three times trying to sneak a porker out at 8 am on a Saturday. Not sure if that is relevant.

[Jerry on the sea]

Borussia Dortmund team bus involved in explosion before Monaco game.

With all these Islamist attacks it is good to know there are still some good old-fashioned soccer hooligans around.

[Rufus The Monocled]

My patience with these motherfuckers is wearing thin.

[ThomasD]

Anyone talks long enough they will say something stupid.

I'm thinking if I start right now I can top Spicer so long as I live to be two hundred and six.

[Citizen X - #6]

It is important to have goals.

[Juice]

and sometimes gooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllls

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Anyone talks long enough they will say something stupid.

Especially when their job is to not say anything stupid. Poor Sean.

[Zeb]

Maybe his real purpose is to make Trump's tweets seem measured and well considered in comparison.

[Libertarian]

+3D chess

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Anyone talks long enough they will say something stupid.

In my experience only stupid people will talk endlessly.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The event attracted quiet protest. At the start of the event, several students stood outside the Science Center with a banner sporting transgender flag colors, and flyers with information from the Office of BGLTQ Student Life. Around five students inside the event held up signs with statements of solidarity with transgender people during Peterson's talk.

Well, I'm no one's going to be convinced with this kind of limp-dicked counter argument. Get in there and really make your case with some airhorns and whistles.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

BGLTQ

The B is new to me. So it's now: Bacon, Guac, Lettuce, Tomato, and.. er...

[Aloysious]

...Quince.

[Meh.]

I think it's just arranged differently. It's usually LGBT, sometimes Q at the end, sometimes longer if you don't want to other anyone

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Derp. Isn't there some unwritten rule stating that acronyms must stay in a proper order?

[Lord_at_War]

TWFY

"There's a Witless Fuck- Y?"

[Ska]

I thought it was the Mexican-Jewish hybrid - bageltaco.

[Stormy Dragon]

"I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight, and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard," CEO Oscar Munoz said in a statement. "No one should ever be mistreated this way."

I hate when people who are in charge of something talk their subordinate organization as though they're a third party onlooker who can do nothing but offer their observations on the goings on.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

He first heard about this scandal while watching CNN

[Bra Ket]

Well United employees are unionized

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Sean Spicer Implies Hitler Didn't Gas His Own People,

Yes he did.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

But did not Hitler disown the Jews and blacks and gays?

[Free Society]

Technically he and the Reich didn't consider jews, homosexuals, gypsies and mentally retarded people "his people". Let's not forget, technically correct is the best correct.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

"Technically Erect" was my nickname in coll - you know what, nevermind.

[Free Society]

Technically Erect is the worst kind of erect.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I guess if we focus on the word His then that argument could be made. I was looking at in the broader sense... 'Hitler didn't gas the German people', which he absolutely did.

[Bra Ket]

Well at the link there it told me that Spicer said "Hitler didn't use chemical weapons". Probably not true either, but not quite so laugh-out-loud stupid sounding I guess, since we'd at least have to check google to find out what gasses were used in the camps to be sure he's wrong. So let's go ahead and twist his words to make it sound like he doesn't know something every child is taught by age 6.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

While everyone was hating 'Girls,' Lena Dunham became a terrific actress

In that episode, Hannah helps her ex-boyfriend Adam's (Adam Driver) sister Caroline (Gaby Hoffmann) get to the hospital to deliver her daughter early. She and Adam meet over the baby's incubator, and Adam tells her -- as he does at various moments of insecurity throughout the show -- that he wants to get back together with her.

Dunham's face is already soft and relaxed from speaking to the baby, and as Adam makes this suggestion, her mouth collapses in on itself, folding in at the corners and the lips. When she rejects him, she's firm but not unkind; her eyes turn down at the corners, and she flushes and tears up but doesn't lose control. In a subsequent scene with Fran (Jake Lacy), her new boyfriend, it's as though Hannah's face has bloomed again, unfurling from her sad conversation with Adam. It's a transfixing, unflashy performance.

[Sigivald]

If you ever find yourself in the position of trying to explain why what Hitler did isn't technically chemical warfare, please stop

He is, nevertheless, 100% correct, both historically and in terms of the "international law" meaning of "chemical warfare".

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Yeah Trump! Hitler! Trumpitler!

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Why won't anyone give that poor guy a fair chance?

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

But what about in terms of feelz?

[Tony]

I'm sure parsing the technicalities here will win the news cycle.

[DRM]

Of course it won't. But acknowledging that it's not an PR battle that can be won is not the same as using a outlet called "Reason" to pretend emotionally-manipulative progressive smear artists are being anything other than emotionally-manipulative progressive smear artists.

[Juice]

Nothing about a Hitler comparison is ever an emotionally-manipulative smear.

[Calidissident]

He said "chemical weapons" not chemical warfare.

[DRM]

Lovely word, "implies". Lets you take a simple factual statement -- that Hitler didn't use "chemical weapons" -- and pretend that the problem isn't the morons demanding we pretend Hitler was some sui generis, never-equaled evil.

Sure, Hitler used gas chambers for killing people. That was as much using "chemical weapons" as what the State of Arizona did in 1999 to Walter LaGrand.

[Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo]

Yeah, but Rico would prefer to parrot the same talking points as his buddies over at Salon rather than parse the distinction lest he be labeled a Hitler sympathizer or worse, a Trump supporter.

Or he himself is just too fucking stupid to understand.

[Tony]

There's a reason you're not really supposed to get pedantic when it comes to the Holocaust.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

Well ...

[DRM]

Yes, there is. I already mentioned it -- the demand that we pretend Hitler was some never-equaled evil. A demand whose primary source is the Western Left wanting to pretend that blackballing Communists was bad, instead of the moral equivalent of blackballing Nazis.

[Tony]

The problem here isn't liberals miscalculating the level of Hitler's evil.

[NOT a Naked Intruder]

No, just lying about others emulating/rising to that level.

[Jason Bayz]

Had he said Stalin, instead of Hitler, no one would have batted an eye. Had he brought up the Three Pashas, well, no one knows who they are. It's not like there's a massive push for "Armenian genocide education."

Yes, we know very well why "you're not really supposed to get pedantic when it comes to the Holocaust."

[Tony]

Wait let me take this one. You mean the Jews right?

[chemjeff]

No it's because of those darn Lutherans. Everyone knows that.

[Calidissident]

If you don't care for the distinction between the Holocaust and executing a convicted murderer, then sure (and I'm anti-death penalty).

I'm not really sure how mass killings using gas doesn't qualify as "chemical weapons" just because it was outside the realm of warfare. A weapon can be used outside of a battlefield. If they executed millions with swords or guns would you say they didn't use metal weapons or firearms?

[Acosmist]

Probably because the quote was this, as far as WaPo is telling me:

"We didn't use chemical weapons in World War II," Spicer said. "You know, you had a ? someone as despicable as Hitler who didn't even sink to using chemical weapons."

[Calidissident]

He jumps from talking about America in World War II to making a statement about Hitler not sinking to using them ... that doesn't add a whole lot to the context. The implication either way was that he didn't use them in WWII on the battlefield specifically (unless Spicer was ignorant of their use in the Holocaust, but I'm assuming he's not that uneducated), but regardless it's a stupid thing to say because he did sink to using them to kill millions of people nonetheless. Having to draw technical distinctions and qualifiers on Hitler's actions to torture your way into making a point about Assad is just dumb.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

Having to draw technical distinctions and qualifiers on Hitler's actions to torture your way into making a point about Assad is just dumb.

Agreed. So is pretending his point wasn't clear.

[Acosmist]

"X didn't use Y in Z. Even A didn't use Y." That carries the implicature that he's saying "A did not use chemicals weapons in Z." I'll take "technical distinctions" when the alternative (and not the "technical distinctions"!) is to torture the statement into something it wasn't.

One of us sure is torturing. I'm saying what he said. You're making it different.

And fuck the sacrosanctity of the Holocaust as a metaphor. Fuck it.

[Juice]

just because it was outside the realm of warfare

Was it?

[Brandybuck]

A double secret probation facepalm goes out to Sean Spicer. You sir, win the Intarwebs for the day. Have you considered trying out for the Darwin Awards?

[DanO.]

Christian kills some other Christians and then himself in a school; nobody notices, because not Muslim.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-0.....ng-school/

[colorblindkid]

Nobody noticed because he wasn't a white male either. You know at least as many people saw "school" and "shooting" and hoped it was a white kid.

[DanO.]

Fox News was certainly disappointed that the shooter wasn't a Muslim.

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

CNN, MSNBC et. al. were certainly disappointed the guy didn't kill any 5-year-olds.

[Seamus]

What? Killing an 8-year-old wasn't good enough?

[B.P.]

Yeah, nobody noticed. Except for all of the news producers who made it the lead story last night. And their customers.

[Bra Ket]

Uh yeah I saw this story on the news the other day. Then below it was the one-millionth story about that Dylan Roof Guy.

[Jason Bayz]

Sure, make fun of United for it's Orwellian "re-accommodation" nonsense, but, one would think libertarians would understand that United has a right to evict people from its property, in accordance with a contract that gives them this right.(Overbooking is standard practice, entirely legal.) If the police were "brutal," it's their fault, not United's. But....no, because that would conflict with your anti-authority shtick.

Wimps.

[Lord_at_War]

I I say, "Hey Jason- Let's take a boat ride to Europe." And you agree...

Oops!, I forgot to fill the freezer- I am permitted to toss you overboard, right?

[Lord_at_War]

Or, if we ignored you originally entering the country illegally, we can still just execute any illegal alien on the spot, because of the "contract"...

[Seamus]

Wow, I thought what United (or, rather, the cops called by United--or rather, the cops called by Republic, who were licenses to use United's trademark and operate as United Express) was bad, but I totally missed the part about how the cops threw Dao off the plane while it was in flight.

[Jason Bayz]

Because removing someone from your property is totally equivalent to throwing them to drown in the middle of the ocean. How long until you start saying "property is theft?"

[Lord_at_War]

After all, we didn't even have a "contract"...

[steve walsh]

Spicer has now learned, I say with sincere hopefulness, that which most of us already knew: invoking Hitler is always a mistake.

[Vernon Depner]

So, the lesson here is: if you attempt to apologize for something for which you do not owe an apology, you're going to sound like an idiot, and the idiots demanding your apology will get even more shrill. Spicer should have just said, "you know what I fucking meant", and moved on.

[steve walsh]

You know what, I like that. We need more of that.

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

Folks, it's been a day. Sean Spicer made a tortured Hitler analogy

Like, who doesn't these days?

At least Justin Bieber no longer has to feel like the stupidest person alive.

If you think that's stupid, you should hear how Fox News talking heads defend the guy from the pilling on by the Media.

In other "you're the literal worst" news, United. Oh, United. CEO Oscar Munoz is sorry that passenger didn't consent to re-accommodation.

"This is a Nation Of Laws?, after all! Who did he think he was, anyway?"

[Seamus]

Is there anyone who seriously believes that Spencer wasn't aware of the Holocaust? Spencer was simply making a point that many people have made before, which is that, bad as he was, Hitler shied away from using poison gas as a weapon of war. (Sure, he only did so because he was afraid the Allies would retaliate with poison gas if he did, but the point still stands.) He expressed himself infelicitously, and was technically incorrect, but to jump all over him as if this was proof he was a closet Holocaust denier is to play a silly game of gotcha. It's like what Republicans did when they jumped all over Obama for calling Auschwitz a "Polish concentration camp," as if he thought that Poles were running the camp.

Ace of Spades has more: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/369266.php

[prolefeed]

Using uniformed military personnel in a military run concentration camp to dump Zyklon B in gas chambers to kill Jews while waging a war in part predicated on killing Jews -- that isn't using poison gas as a weapon of war?

That's splitting hairs mighty finely.

[Vernon Depner]

"that isn't using poison gas as a weapon of war?"

No, it's not, unless you consider mass executions of detained civilians to be a legitimate method of war.