Germany Willing to Fine U.S. Companies to Censor What People Say Online
Facebook may be forced to evaluate whether content complies with laws; huge costs if they get it wrong.

If you were financially responsible—to the tune of millions of dollars—for the content that users of your online platform posted online, you might take a bit of a dim view of giving them a lot of leeway in what they had to say.
That is apparently what the government of Germany is hoping for. Germany does not share America's broad view of free speech. Like several European countries, it has laws and criminal penalties for hate speech and a broader conception of what an incitement to violence is (America tends to require an actual discernable threat). As part of the European Union, Germans are also able to invoke the online "Right to Be Forgotten," forcing online search engines to delete links to content about them that may be true, but is embarrassing or casts them in a bad light.
Germany's now working to expand its authority to order online censorship by holding social media companies like Facebook and Twitter financially liable for user content that violates its restrictions on speech. And it's not a slap on the wrist either. Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet has approved possible fines of more than $50 million if social media companies don't respond quickly enough to remove speech that violates their laws. They have 24 hours to remove content calling for criminal behavior and a week to remove other types of "illegal" speech.
Besides potentially resulting in social media companies censoring content by non-Germans posted outside of Germany, also puts these companies in the awkward position of having to determine what is and isn't legal to say under German laws, as though they were part of the country's judicial branch. They are uncomfortable at the idea, Reuters notes:
A spokesman for Facebook, which has 29 million active users in Germany - more than a third of the total population - said the company was working hard to remove illegal content, but expressed concern at the draft law.
"This legislation would force private companies rather than the courts to become the judges of what is illegal in Germany," he said, adding that Facebook's partner Arvato would employ up to 700 staff in Berlin for "content moderation" by year's end.
A spokesman for Twitter declined to comment on the legislation, but said the company had made a number of changes in recent weeks, including adding new filtering options, putting limits on accounts it had identified as engaging in abusive behavior and stopping those users from creating new accounts.
Given the financial risks involved here, it would not and should not be surprising if speech considered legal even by German standards ends up getting censored. Why take the risk?
Before dismissing this all as just a German law-and-order quirk, note that there has been pressure across the European Union to force social media companies to engage in more overt censorship. German Justice Minister Heiko Maas said he wants to take this proposed law (it still needs to be approved by Germany's parliament) and push it through all of the European Union.
And while America may have different attitudes and laws protecting free speech, it still nevertheless has problems with its own broadly written laws that authorize censorship. America's federal laws designed to eliminate online piracy and copyright violations are frequently misused to censor online content that is actually constitutionally protected criticism.
Furthermore, while we also have regulation shielding online companies from criminal and civil liability over much of the content written or posted by users (not the company itself), even those regulations are threatened all in the name of "public safety." As Elizabeth Nolan Brown has reported, activists who believe America has a sex trafficking problem want to compromise these regulations in order to hold web companies and social media platforms potentially responsible.
And finally, before assuming "it can't happen here," a New York state legislator is attempting to bring the European Union's "right to be forgotten" rules of online censorship to the United States.
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Christ, what assholes. [gets banned from Germany]
You know who else got banned from Germany?
John Travolta and Tom Cruise?
Huh, now here's a joke I guess I'll have to google, 'cause I don't get it.
Think L. Ron Hubbard
huh, I see some stuff about Tom Cruise being banned from filming Valkrie there due to a scientology dustup, but I don't see much on Travolta.
I'm not sure how important all this is to me.
In Germany Islam is more respected both as an ethos and as a religion than Scientology. Islamists may rape people, run them over, and blow them up, but it's a traditional and long-held cultural belief system. Scientology, OTOH, is just a sham. It's arguable that Germans/y dislikes Scientologists more than Americans dislike Islamists.
At one point there was a Scientology Task Force or Scientology Investigations Unit among the LEOs in Germany.
Not Hitler.
Kraftwerk?
I feel like I should have a right to forget Angela Merkel.
FDR? (responding to alt-text)
Maas said he wants to take this proposed law (it still needs to be approved by Germany's parliament) and push it through all of the European Union.
Remember folks, the ONLY reason one might want to bow out of the EU is because you don't like brown people. Only. Reason.
Frankly, I don't see today's Britain having any problem with this proposal. At all.
While I agree with the sentiment, I think you'd have to wait for it to go through the EU blender and get poured out of Brussels to before knowing whether Britain would swallow it or not.
I don't either. I was really just making a broad comment on how awful the EU is and how they keep presenting the world with well-reasoned reasons to not want to be a member. Britain is certainly politically awful in its own unique way.
Hate speech isn't free speech. The freedom to speak doesn't include the freedom to say hurtful things. Just because you can speak doesn't mean you should speak.
It's all in the ears (or eyes) of the beholder. So there are no rules as to what you can and can't say, no matter how well intentioned you may be ... unless you're going after white conservative heterosexual males. You can say anything you want about them.
Free speech includes every kind of speech, including "hateful" speech.
You either get it or you don't. Europe doesn't get it and they get mad if you bring up how they don't have any free speech.
I know someone else who maybe didn't get it.
I am free to speak what the government wants me to say!!!
Christ, what a fucking cunt shitbird.
"Ordnung" is in the German soul. They love to restrict what you can say and do.
When I was living in Germany, my car would leak a few drops of gasoline from where the filler tube met the tank if the tank was full. A neighbor apparently narced on me, because my landlord and the town's mayor knocked on my door one day to notify me of this egregious leak of gasoline onto the road. I did them a favor and crashed the car into a tree because of black ice the next day.
I assume they billed you for the tree.
You know, I blame the evil kkkorporations. They're the ones who start snooping on people's Facebook pages and denying them jobs based on the complete idiocy on display there.
I don't even know what to say to this it's so f-----g stupid and evil.
Seems the German government learned all the wrong lessons from the 1930's and 40's.
Well, they did learn to farm out the Merkeljugend to a third-party outfit.
Technically Germany had lessons from socialists about not allowing free speech until the collapse of the USSR.
To be fair, neither of the post-war Germanys has ever had "free speech" that an American would recognize. They're just dialing it up to 11 now.
You know who else stole go-to jokes with their alt-text?
Ed Krayewski?
Jesse Walker?
BASIC programmers?
and push it through all of the European Union.
Fuck yo couch sovereignty, Nigga!
Funniest skits eva, Darkness!
since the internet is international can't companies just tell them to f off with their fines. I realize they may be cut off from those countries but f them as well
Germany would just put up a national firewall. And not one German would complain.
@TheRealDonaldTrump
Mr. Putin, tear down this firewall.
The issue is more about where Germany leads, the EU follows.
Plenty of companies could avoid Germany. Not a lot of companies with enough fuck you money to skip out on the EU. Even fewer if they want to avoid the EU, the US, and China.
The United States should tell Germany to sodd off until Germany pays back all our expenses from freeing them from the Nazis in World War II. That would pay for a lot of free speech.
Real Americans would never tell anyone to "sodd off". That's pussy Brit speak.
"freeing" them from the Nazis
*cues up Du Hast, followed by Amerika*
Would it violate German law to call for the introduction of Angela Merkel to the business end of a woodchipper? Asking for a friend.
Springtime for Angela Merkel and Germany
Ban speech that is out of mein kampfort zone.
If Facebook wasn't essentially an arm of the NSA at this point they would say 'fuck off' to the German government and laugh to themselves as the German government tried to explain to 29 million German's why they can't log into their accounts anymore.
Yet newspapers and magazines work completely differently. They're consistently able to produce highly unique content every single month that's unlike anything that's ever been published. How do they do that?