Obamacare Repeal Bill Dies in the House, Free Speech Threatened at DePaul: P.M. Links

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  House Speaker Paul Ryan's health care repeal-and-replace bill will not be voted on.
  

• Peter Suderman explains why the bill died.
• Is DePaul University the worst campus for free speech in the country? Check out this Foundation for Individual Rights in Education interactive report.
• "You do not have some human right, some abstract thing given to you by God or by the world or something like that. You're part of a community and that's where you gain your meaning or your rights." Guess who said it.
• Maybe this boy should file a Title IX complaint.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

House Speaker Paul Ryan's health care repeal-and-replace bill will not be voted on.

Phew, just in time. The president almost suffered his first ever political loss.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

Don't you work?

[Rufus The Monocled]

THIS IS WORK.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'll say.

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

House Speaker Paul Ryan's health care repeal-and-replace bill will not be voted on.

Keep fist on his toes.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The diabeetus took my toes!

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

Not mine...yet. I had a typo or I would've gotten ya. *bows out while looking at opponent*

[Citizen X - #6]

Some folk'll never lose a toe, but then again, some folk'll.

[Not a True MJG]

+ Tiffany, Heather, Cody, Dylan, Dermot, Jordan, Taylor, Brittany, Wesley, Rumer, Scout, Cassidy, Zoe, Chloe, Max, Hunter, Kendall, Kaitlin, Noah, Sasha, Morgan, Kyra, Ian, Lauren, Qbert, Phil.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Peter Suderman explains why the bill died.

The GOP lied.

[colorblindkid]

There's no way Ryan can stay as leader. Didn't he not want the job anyways? Would love to see Amash up there, but that'll never happen.

[Stormy Dragon]

What makes you think Amash would do any better?

[MarkLastname]

Because he's just better in general.

[Austrian Anarchy]

I dare them to vote on a straight up repeal.

[MarkLastname]

Won't get enough votes. I think there were 4 republicans who basically pledged not to vote for a full repeal already.

Contrary to what the numbers say, on some issues the Republican do not really have a majority in the senate.

[Austrian Anarchy]

It will work.

[DanO.]

Donald J. Trump
? @realDonaldTrump
I did NOT say repeal and replace. I said there's pee on my face. BIG DIFFERENCE.
4:26 PM - 24 Mar 2017

[CooterBrown]

Eh, the pee stuff is almost as unfunny as "Drumph". The guys a clown, the jokes write themselves, c'mon man.

[Austrian Anarchy]

When did Chuck Berry obtain tweeting from the grave capability?

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

This Craft Beer is Made With Recycled Toilet Water

According to The Sacramento Bee, the brewery was motivated to experiment with wastewater after California's long drought limited their conventional water supply sources. Using treated water from San Diego's Pure Water Facility, the brewery produced five barrels of what it calls Full Circle Pale Ale, a "toilet to tap" beverage.

The recent public tasting, attended by San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer, was intended to highlight the city's multi-billion-dollar pursuit of harvesting drinking water from sewage systems; the goal is to put recycled wastewater back into the water supply instead of dumping it into the ocean. The city estimates that by 2035, one-third of the area's fresh water will be made up of recycled and treated H2O.

Citing the "yuck factor," city officials believe efforts like Stone Brewing's will help the public embrace the idea of the treated water being reused. Treatment facilities use micro-filtration tubes to filter out contaminants, with reverse-osmosis eliminating solids. A combination of ultraviolet light and hydrogen peroxide provides additional antimicrobial benefits.

Uhhh...yay science?

[$park? leftist poser]

That beer looks like piss.

[Jerry on the sea]

I just stick to them trusty German beers for now.

[Citizen X - #6]

Full Circle Pale Ale

In other words, it's not like containing toilet water will make it any grosser.

[Zeb]

What kind of beer do you like? Miller High Life?

[Mickey Rat]

So it has an excuse if it tastes like piss.

[Zeb]

People are so weird with the things they get all squeamish about.

[Stormy Dragon]

All the water on this planet has been absorbed and peed out multiple times over the course of this planet's history.

[Austrian Anarchy]

This.

[MarkLastname]

Go on...

[Chip Your Pets]

Not comet water.

[Paloma]

There's perfume, cologne and toilet water. Different strengths.

[Chip Your Pets]

This was actually one of the original purposes of beer and alcoholic bevs in general -- to make contaminated water drinkable.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Ranch dressing fountains are a thing. Here's how to get one?

Part of a new line of ranch dressing?inspired goods, the four-tier, $100 ranch fountain comes with a year's supply (12 bottles) of the condiment.

Measuring about 18 inches tall, it's not quite large enough to bathe in, though you can still use it for its intended purpose of dipping chicken wings, french fries, pizza, mozzarella sticks, or even the occasional veggie.

[Citizen X - #6]

Simple Mikey is getting one of those installed in his bathroom.

[Zeb]

The ranch dressing bidet?

[Zeb]

Better

And everyone knows that parmesan and cracked pepper is the superior salad dressing. I still don't even know what flavor "ranch" is supposed to be.

[Citizen X - #6]

"You do not have some human right, some abstract thing given to you by God or by the world or something like that. You're part of a community and that's where you gain your meaning or your rights."

Fuck off, slaver.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's so far right it's left!

[Citizen X - #6]

Why, it's almost as if the conventional notion of a left-right political spectrum is abject bullshit!

[Not a True MJG]

It's communitarians all the way down.

[$park? leftist poser]

I'll have you know that I am single-handedly the only reason anyone has heard of Richard Spencer. You're welcome.

[BYODB]

From a certain point of view I can understand why a person might think that. After you remove the concept of God from natural rights, the whole thing kind of falls apart as a philosophical concept. If you leave the God part in, it still carries the same weight it always did. *shrug*

Just food for thought. I think about this subject a lot as a mental exercise. Still don't have any perfect answers though, probably because there are none.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

I figure the natural rights thing is fine whether you believe in God or not. But from the practical side, I figure that we are all punished individually for crimes, collective punishment is a war crime, and anyone who suggested throwing an entire family in jail because the husband killed his neighbor would be laughed at by all political sides.

If we're punished individually, then we are individuals all the way.

Then throw in individual mandates for Obamacare, individual paychecks, individual everything, and the case for collective rights, or rights "granted" by a community, is just so much hogwash.

[MarkLastname]

Tony is Richard Spencer. Mind. Blown.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

There's a Section of Yellowstone Where You Can Get Away with Murder

Such trivia would scarcely summon a yawn from a layperson, but to a constitutional lawyer like Kalt, it was a flapping red flag. Kalt knew that Article III of the Constitution requires federal criminal trials to be held in the state in which the crime was committed. And the Sixth Amendment entitles a federal criminal defendant to a trial by jurors living in the state and district where the crime was committed. But if someone committed a crime in the uninhabited Idaho portion of Yellowstone, Kalt surmised, it would be impossible to form a jury. And being federal land, the state would have no jurisdiction. Here was a clear constitutional provision enabling criminal immunity in 50 square miles of America's oldest national park.

Hey Fist, wanna visit Yellowstone together this summer?

[Fist of Etiquette]

That goes both ways, you know.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

That's a buddy vacation movie I would watch.

5 minute mark: Crusty discovers his chinchilla roommate is a stowaway in his luggage, which is a discarded pet carrier. The chinchilla his behind all the old issues of Hustler Crusty insisted on bringing.

10 minute mark: the first argument breaks out when Fist insists on being the first to use the bathroom every time.

15 minute mark: A long hour of silence follows Crusty's reveal that he has once been to Philadelphia, and that he liked it.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

20 minute mark: the chinchilla eats all of Fist's cash. Crusty didn't bring any money, but offers to try his luck working the streets.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

I don't like the part about Fist going both ways. IT IS NOT THAT KIND OF TRIP.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's not up to you.

[Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon]

"10 minute mark: the first argument breaks out when Fist insists on being the first to use the bathroom every time."

12 minute mark: Fist murders Rufus for constantly poking his head into the loo and saying "hello".

[DanO.]

In a fit of revenge, Trump boarded Air Force One for Palm Beach and several rounds of golf.

[The Last American Hero]

Shouldn't that make you happy?

How much damage can he do to the country from the back 9?

[MarkLastname]

Clearly you haven't seen what his short game looks like.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

A pro-cop story? I think so. Las Vegas police who caught suspect in deaths of homeless men empathized with victims

But investigators spent weeks camped out where the two homeless men died, with video surveillance trained on a mannequin under a blanket.

"Could I live with the idea that he came back a third time, and we didn't do anything about it? No," Metro Capt. Andrew Walsh told the Las Vegas Review-Journal's David Ferrara.

On Feb. 22, Shane Schindler was caught on tape bashing the blanketed decoy with a 4-pound ball-peen hammer.

[Citizen X - #6]

You know who else tried to catch a guy named Schindler?

[DanO.]

Who?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Otis Elevator Company?

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

You trying to make a list?

[Not a True MJG]

The new movie from the In Bruges writer-director could be really cathartic.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

I'd watch anything that guy makes, but the cast does look excellent across the board. Also:

"You fucking retract that bit about my cunt fucking kids!"

[MarkLastname]

"You're an inanimate fucking object!"

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Jim Harbaugh dumps trademark khakis for more fashionable garb

During Michigan's pro day on Friday, Harbaugh rocked a pair of pants made by Lululemon, known for its high-end activewear. Tailored and without pleats, Harbaugh has managed to still look like the man we've come to know -- while making a more fashionable impression.

Far more important to Harbaugh? Comfort.

"I'll never wear anything else," Harbaugh told ESPN.

The end is near.

[Citizen X - #6]

So, dude is straight up sporting yoga pants now? What, is he auditioning for Cats?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

They do look comfortable. If I didn't have such a killer ass, I might brave into that territory.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Lululemon, known for its high-end activewear.

I thought that's what an Adidas track suit was.

[Rufus The Monocled]

He recently said Kaepernick is great and will be a championship QB in the NFL.

Soooo....

[The Last American Hero]

Sooo he's hinting at leaving Ann Arbor and going back to the NFL?

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Loving the Skin They're In: How Nicole Kidman, Lena Dunham, Kate Winslet & More Feel About Getting Naked Onscreen

"I've always been pretty confident with nudity," Dunham told E! News recently. "I mean, you can ask my parents, I was pretty much strutting through the house naked from the day that I was born." But more than that, she said, growing up in the New York art world, visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art every Sunday, she just automatically equated naked bodies with art.

"It's funny when people compare the nudity to something like porn, because for me it exists in such a different space, one that connects to the historical context of women in the art world," Dunham added.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

growing up in the New York art world, visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art every Sunday, she just automatically equated naked bodies with art.

Lena Dunham nude would definitely qualify as abstract, possibly 'brutalist' style of art.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I thought brutalist means stripped to the essentials of form and function.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Examples are typically massive in character (even when not large), fortress-like, with a predominance of exposed concrete construction

In its ruggedness and lack of concern to look comfortable or easy, Brutalism can be seen as a reaction by a younger generation to the lightness, optimism, and frivolity of some 1930s and 1940s architecture.

Brutalism as an architectural philosophy was often also associated with a socialist utopian ideology, which tended to be supported by its designers, especially Alison and Peter Smithson, near the height of the style.

Combined with the socially progressive intentions behind Brutalist streets in the sky housings such as Corbusier's Unit?, Brutalism was promoted as a positive option for forward-moving, modern urban housing.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Lol, ok, carry on.

[Mickey Rat]

"Nicole, Kate, that was wonderful!"

Lena please put your clothes on."

[The Last American Hero]

One of these is not like the other 2.

[Juice]

one of these is not like the others

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The real reason the healthcare bill failed.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is DePaul University the worst campus for free speech in the country?

That's what happens when you have a commie pope, you can't chalk "abortion is murder" at a Catholic university.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You do not have some human right, some abstract thing given to you by God or by the world or something like that. You're part of a community and that's where you gain your meaning or your rights.

If I don't click on the link, I'm going to have to say commenter Tony. Because he's said this many times on these boards.

[Philadelphia Collins]

So, people born in China or North Korea have no right to anything better.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Unfortunately, DePaul's treatment of student groups over this past year is part of a long?and troubling?tradition of censorship at the university.

Sue DePaul for false advertising and get your tuition back.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Supt. Richard Faidley suggested if "Joel Doe was uncomfortable changing with those of the opposite sex, or with using the nurse's office, then he could just withdraw from school and be home schooled."

"We get your money either way."

[bevis the lumberjack]

As an obviously tolerant and right-thinking human person, why Supt. Faidley still use the trauma-inducing pronoun "he" is hard to explain. Methinks ze could use a quick Twitter lynching to teach zim the error of zis ways.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Amy Schumer backs out of 'Barbie' movie

Actress Amy Schumer has pulled out of playing "Barbie" in Mattel's live-action take on their popular brand of toys for girls.

Schumer was also co-writing the script for the movie, which Sony is still set to make once it finds her replacement. Her departure is surprising given that she'd previously passionately defended her involvement in the project against mean-spirited doubters who said her appearance, weight and saucy attitude made her unsuitable to play willowy Barbie. Naysayers had been flooding social media with petitions for weeks decrying the casting

Life isn't fair!

[OneOut]

now we know what was nehind the recent weight loss.

Evidently she could not reach the necessary goal so it became SOUR GRAPES.

I didn"t want that role anyway !!

[The Last American Hero]

The Barbie filmmakers missed an opportunity when Jessica Simpson was at the peak of her powers.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Amtrak Acela derails at NY Penn Station, some service disruptions

An Amtrak Acela derailed as it left New York's Penn Station at a slow speed during Friday morning rush hour and all 248 passengers were safely evacuated, Amtrak said.

The service disruption continues to affect a busy commuting hub for the New York metro area into the afternoon commute

We need better train technology.

[Tony]

How does it feel to be dumber than Richard Spencer?

Or are you really saying that rights are things Sky Grandpa invented and gave us as a gift sometime in the last 1000 years?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Breaking news: Tony agrees with Richard Spencer. Shocked: no one.

[Tony]

So if he said the sky is blue you would be forced to disagree, or are you wasting everyone's time with idiocy?

Why not make my day and answer my question.

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

Re: Tony,

How does it feel to be dumber than Richard Spencer?

Plants can't feel, so don't bother asking.

Or are you really saying that rights are things Sky Grandpa invented and gave us as a gift sometime in the last 1000 years?

I stand corrected ? there IS someone dumber (? ? ?) than Richard Spencer.

[BYODB]

So there you have it, Tony agree's with the alt-right.

Unfortunately, you've managed to jump the shark and give away the fact that you don't believe any of what you say. Many already knew, but this should enlighten everyone.

[Tony]

The idea that rights are useful social constructs and not the arbitrary declarations of a bearded grandpa in the sky is not exclusive to neonazis. How does it feel to be dumber than neonazis?

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

Re: Tony,

The idea that rights are useful social constructs and not the arbitrary declarations of a bearded grandpa in the sky is not exclusive to neonazis.

I do agree that the idea that rights are mere social constructs is not something only Neo-nazis hold.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

Here is my own comment from above:

I figure the natural rights thing is fine whether you believe in God or not. But from the practical side, I figure that we are all punished individually for crimes, collective punishment is a war crime, and anyone who suggested throwing an entire family in jail because the husband killed his neighbor would be laughed at by all political sides.

If we're punished individually, then we are individuals all the way.

Then throw in individual mandates for Obamacare, individual paychecks, individual everything, and the case for collective rights, or rights "granted" by a community, is just so much hogwash.

It will be .... interesting ... seeing you try to claim otherwise.

[Tony]

Everything we ever talk about here is about community. Politics is about how humans interact with each other. The fantasy is the notion that people are atomistic beings who, apart from maybe the Unabomber, are utterly dependent on each other, and furthermore the very concept of rights is meaningless except in the context of human interaction.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

Next time you (an individual) can try a little harder to actually refute what you say is false.

Or maybe you (as an individual) can't. But it will be up to you, as an individual, not some figment of a community's imagination.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

Or, to quote you yourself, as an individual:

Why not make my day and answer my question.

[Juice]

Politics is about how individual humans interact with each other.

No one is saying that humans aren't interdependent, but each human in the group is still an individual no matter what and must be treated as such.

[MarkLastname]

No one in the world is as dumb as a morally indignant nihilist, which is you, Tony.

Rape, murder, and genocide can be useful cultural practices. Hell, if we're going to be strictly utilitarian then any institution that satisfies a person's subjective notions of utility is justified.

The logical conclusion of your beliefs about rights reduces to disagreement about subjective value systems. And you waste all this time getting upset that republicans violate rules you don't think exist.

That's the problem with utilitarianism: it ultimately reduces to subjective personal preference regarding what is 'useful,' (and plenty of people find murdering people they don't like to be useful and enjoyable).

And so we end up with bitchy little nihilists like you who, from their own logic, may as well be whining about people not liking their favorite flavor of ice cream. It's the classic type of logical inconsistency one sees in idiots who fancy themselves philosophical.

[Bubba Jones]

If rights are bestowed by the state then why is it such a big deal for the state to ban abortion?

[Tony]

Because it would cause harm to millions of women. You can say you should have any right you want, and make your case to society. You people want to claim that your specific set of policy preferences is ordained by natural law, which is self-serving horsecrap of the highest order.

[american socialist]

But the state would be determining what rights they have so what does it matter if it does harm. The state can say they dont have a right to not be harmed

[MarkLastname]

" You can say you should..."
Why? Why should you?

Because of some objective moral law? Oh, ok. If not, then what? Utility? Again, there are plenty of instances where the mass murder of innocents is quite useful to someone.

*Everyone*, Tony, absolutely everyone (other than disinterested sociopaths) claim that their specific set of policy preferences are ordained by natural law; by logic, by morality.

Either your policy preferences are morally superior, logically superior toward the achievement of an agreed upon end, or they're just matters of taste, and we may as well be debating what the best way to prepare lamb is.

[John Titor]

Guys, you totally need to come up with a 'Tony or Richard Spencer' quote guessing game.

[Philadelphia Collins]

You're saying that people born into authoritarian hell holes are not having their rights violated because they don't have a claim to anything better?

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

House Speaker Paul Ryan's health care repeal-and-replace bill will not be voted on.

So much for El Trumpo's much vaunted negotiating skills.

"You do not have some human right, some abstract thing given to you by God or by the world or something like that. You're part of a community and that's where you gain your meaning or your rights." Guess who said it.

Hitler! Uh, Mao! No, uh, Lenin! No, wait ? Richard Spencer!

By the way, that creepy statement is in the same vein as that other creepy statement "There are those who think the Free Market is a god!"

[GLEEMORE?]

Speaker Paul Ryan's health care repeal-and-replace bill will not be voted on.

Awww man. I was really looking forward to the $2,100 worth of tax breaks that I would have gotten from Trumpian rubes. I was a socialist, but ever since idiots seemingly want to give me money because they want the government off their law I've begun to see the glory of taking money from people with decidedly slapstick ideas about what the government does. Too bad for me, I guess.

[Tony]

I wonder if even Trump's idiot supporters are going to fall for "collapse and replace." Republicans control all of government.

Also, "It's Democrats' fault we couldn't repeal their signature achievement of the last decade for no reason other than mean-spirited partisanship!" I LOLed at that one.

[GLEEMORE?]

Not one Democrat would go along, Tony. Those meanies.

[Fatty Bolger]

I guess now the Democrats are the Party of No! Mindless obstructionists! They're holding the country hostage!

[MarkLastname]

You're kind of right that collapse and replace may backfire on them. Once healthcare costs get so much higher in the market than Medicaid and Medicare due to Obamacare arbitrarily undervaluing care in Medicaid and Medicare either providers will start avoiding Medicaid/Medicare patients like the plague, closing shop, or jacking up prices for everyone else absent a bailout.

Premiums will skyrocket, quality of care for Medicare/Medicaid will fall, and/or the budget will get hit by the necessary bailout. And you and all the other morons will blame the incumbent Republicans rather than Obama because they failed to fix his unsustainable law.

[american socialist]

Tony and Gleemore care about team blue period. All that matters is that their team wins.

It amazes me how they talk out of both sides of their mouth....the ACA is great! but the GOP owns it imploding!

[american socialist]

Well it is. They need 60 votes

[GLEEMORE?]

I want to thank the House Freedom Caucus,whose leading intellectuals want a health care plan where people with preexisting conditions can do us all a favor and die, for scuttling The Ryan/Trump plan, which was a sop to rich people and insurance companies. Thank you.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The Ryan/Trump plan, which was a sop to rich people and insurance companies. Thank you.

This is how Bernie Sanders supporters characterized Obamacare.

[The Last American Hero]

Hey now, Bernie was in charge of reforming the US's single-payer system known as the VA system. And after seeing what a success that was....ooops

[Stormy Dragon]

I'm confused by the FIRE thing. FIRE has repeatedly justified not going after places like BYU, Liberty University, etc. on the grounds that as private religious universities they obviously can't be judged on the same basis as secular schools.

It's not clear to me why Catholic DePaul University doesn't get the same pass.

[OldMexican Blankety Blank]

Ostensibly because BYU and Liberty U do not get government funding. Albeit it seems BYU does. So does Liberty, in one form or another.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Perhaps it has to do with DePaul censoring speech of a secular manner. Even Liberty University has speakers that go against their views (Sanders and Trump both were invited to speak there).

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Because Jews.

[OneOut]

This place seems to be a mere shell of it's once self.

After reading this echo chamber of a thread I'm begining to see why.

A thread of mutual masturbation by names once associated with being Reason trolls just doesn't carry the same cache this joint once put forth.

[DanO.]

You should head over to the glib place. They're still telling STEVE SMITH jokes for Chrissake.

[WakaWaka]

^ This guy is a huge part of the problem.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

We're glad to see you follow the commenters, wherever they go.

[DanO.]

It's like visiting the zoo. I don't live there. Too smelly.

[Chip Your Pets]

"You do not have some human right, some abstract thing given to you by God or by the world or something like that. You're part of a community and that's where you gain your meaning or your rights."

How is this supposed to be wrong? Can you seriously claim that people living in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union or the myriad totalitarian societies or petty dictatorships before and after that had "human rights" in any meaningful sense?

That is a farcical belief. Outside of a political community that respects and enforces rights, the question of whether they exist is just as irrelevant as the question of how many angels can dance on a pinhead.

[Juice]

I tend to agree. It's one of those things that sounds wrong at first, but it actually fits my definition of rights. Rights don't exist outside of human brains. Now, I would add that your rights primarily exist in your head, so you need to articulate them to other people if you expect them to be respected. You also sometimes need to defend them verbally and physically for them to be respected by others. So, yes, your rights aren't given to you by a god or by nature and they don't exist outside the human mind.

[GroundTruth]

This was taken out of context, and is shameless clickbait by RS, I'm sorry to say.

The context was a rant about abortion, not natural rights.

[DanO.]

This is like the worst chat room ever.