Zero Tolerance

4-Year-Old Brings Shell Casing to Preschool. Principal Suspends Him for 7 Days, Calls Child Services.

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An Illinois preschool is teaching a 4-year-old boy quite the lesson. Officials suspended him for a full week—and also called the Department of Children and Family Services on his parents.

That lesson: it's wrong to be a typical boy.

His mother, Kristy Jackson, wrote about the incident in a Facebook post that subsequently went viral. The boy, Hunter, was learning about guns and gun safety from his grandfather, a police officer, according to Jackson. He must have picked the shell casing off the ground and smuggled it into school, unbeknownst to his parents.

When Jackson came to the school—A Place for Growth—to pick up Hunter, she was told he had brought a bullet to school. Mom was hastily escorted to the principal's office, where she soon discovered that the school's administrators know less about guns than a 4-year-old: what Hunter had in his pocket was a shell casing, not a bullet.

"He never hurt anyone, or threatened anyone," wrote Jackson. "This could literally happen to ANY CHILD who happened to find one on the ground and thought it was cool. He does not have access to ANY weapon in our home. This could have been handled by explaining appropriate behavior at school."

Hunter was expelled for 7 days and informed that if his "enthusiasm for guns continued," he would be expelled.

School officials told local news that it wasn't just the shell casing: Hunter was also being punished for pretending that his toys were guns. I consider that incredibly normal behavior for young boys, but A Place for Growth considers it so dangerous that a call to the authorities was warranted.

"As a provider of early childhood education, we are charged with introducing a curriculum that is appropriate for every child in a classroom," school President Sarah Jarman wrote in a subsequent letter to parents. "The introduction of firearms safety into the classroom is not included in our curriculum. We view and understand that it is a very personal decision that each parent has the right to make."

Little boys pretend to shoot each other all the time. It's literally what they do. It does not mean they're going to turn into deranged killers when they grow up. It means their imaginations are working properly.

A Place for Growth can crack down on this kind of behavior if it really wants to. But the Jacksons do not need a visit from child services. Let kids be kids, and let their parents parent them as they see fit.

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  1. Incredibly Normal was my nickname in college. Also, fuck these busybodies. May they one day reap what they sow.

    1. Incredibly Normal was my nickname in college.

      Huh. Small world.

    2. If the libtards had their druthers, all boys would be gelded at age 3 so as to be more properly equipped to be a libtard.

  2. I can’t believe the grandfather is still running around free.

    1. He’s a cop. He probably got a medal for his role in exposing this young future mass murderer.

      1. And also, even in Illinois, he almost certainly broke no law.

      2. He needs to shoot his grandson now, before the kid goes on a murder spree.

  3. School officials told local news that it wasn’t just the shell casing: Hunter was also being punished for pretending that his toys were guns.

    The same officials would be the first to call Hunter’s grandfather and his gun to the school at the drop of a hat. This is a remarkably bizarre level of willful hoplophobia.

    1. Not only little boys, although I actually preferred being the indians and when I was, they didn’t always lose 🙂 I don’t know how many string and branch bows I made and I used to be pretty darn good at throwing knives as well.

      1. I spent part of my growing-up in Europe. Every stick was a sword.

  4. I always picked up shell casings when I was a kid. They are just cool little things. And besides the small possible lead exposure, they are harmless. Empty .22s made great high pitched whistles. I know I brought them to school too.

    I remember once in elementary school one kid brought a live round to school once. He was scolded and his parents probably called, but that’s it. No major freak out or expulsion.

    1. “This is a spent .22 caliber bullet casing,” Kristy Jackson said, holding the object that got Hunter into so much trouble.

      “I was met with a stone-faced teacher who said that my son had a shotgun bullet. I was horrified thinking, ‘where could he have gotten this?'” Jackson said, recalling when she picked up Hunter from the preschool in Troy, IL, Tuesday.

      Can’t you read? It was a shotgun bullet. I’m pretty sure highly educated school officials have a little more expertise on the objects they’re attempting to teach the dangers of than some random whistling commenter on the internet.

      1. Perhaps they meant “shot gun bullet”. Or have no idea what a shotgun is. I suspect the latter is more likely.

      2. I missed that the kid’s name is Hunter. That seems pretty problematic too. Even his name is violent and red-necky.

          1. Studlomatic?

        1. Not to mention kick-ass.

        2. Even his name is violent and red-necky.

          Not red-necky so much as “offspring of suburban soccer mom.” I’ve never met an actual redneck named Hunter, but have seen many, many kids from Suburbia Hell named Hunter (or Cody, or Madison or Zoe for girls).

          1. You took that way too seriously.

          2. Yeah, the reason or these suburban soccer mom kids have such douchy names is that they take a WASPy last name and make it the kid’s first name.

    2. Once I brought a real gun to school. My memory of the event is fuzzy, but I seem to recall thinking it was one of those incredibly realistic toy guns. Anyway, no expulsion for me, although there was a swirl of panic with me at the epicenter. I got paddled so hard I couldn’t sit for a week.

      It’s one of the reason I can’t get my libertarian dander up to much about banning realistic toy guns.

      STILL, this was just a shell casing! No better whistle than a shell casing! Loved those .22 short casing because they would cause every dog for a mile around to freak out!

      1. We used to bring real guns to school (with the cylinders removed) for cowboy costumes. Trigger warning:
        Our school mascot was “The Cowboys” – we had an annual “Go Western Days” week.

        1. Our high school had the rule that rifles need to be kept on the rifle racks and the trucks locked…

      2. At my private high school in Mis’sippi in the early eighties, some boys would go hunting early in the morning before the school day started. The rule was that they had to keep their guns in their trucks and not to handle them while on the school grounds. Large lock-blade knives were also standard accoutrements. We had no bad incidents of which I am aware.

    3. I have a friend who is a back-to-earth hippy type and her son goes to some kind of hippy Montessori school. He was showing me all these toy guns, which were his favorite toys. He told me “I am not supposed to have any toy guns and I would get in trouble at school, but mom lets me have them.” The other thing I remember is that whenever they made some kind of animal or human figure in art, they were not allowed to put eyes on it. What a weird school, huh?

      1. No one wants eyes there, judging them.

      2. Are you sure it isn’t a Waldorf school? They often tell parents what the kids can and can’t do or have. They’re not supposed to watch TV or have plastic toys. Dolls should be simple, generally made of wool (it absorbs the kids body heat and makes it feel real) or have real facial features so the kids can imagine the dolls expressions. Water color paintings are done wet on wet with wide brushes so there is no detail and the corners of the paper are cut off an rounded.

    4. The sad part is this reminds me of the Marine Corps range. In the USMC you get searched for unspent rounds and shell casings before you leave the range because everyone is treated like an inept child….granted vast majority are retards but it is hilarious when you think about how Marines are treated and how they are believed to be beyond retarded and yet we expect them to protect the nation.

      its horrifying

  5. The boy, Hunter, was learning about guns and gun safety from his grandfather, a police officer,

    An example:

    -accidental discharges happen, so don’t worry about those.
    -all dogs are a threat, so if you see one, kill it.
    -a furtive movement is anything a poor person does while you are around them.
    -practice as little as possible.

    1. -squeeze the trigger until the gun’s empty. Reload. Repeat.

    2. – dark-skinned people have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle, so you must react on instinct when dealing with them

  6. As a teacher in a middle school, one day one of my students discovered they had accidentally left some bullets (actual bullets) in a jacket pocket. They immediately went to the closest teacher to tell them and turn them over. After a quick call home and finding out they had been out hunting before school, and it was just an honest mistake the student had to spend the rest of the day in In-School-Suspension for the mistake. THAT WAS IT and everything was fine. This kind of zero-tolerance BS is ruining schools.

    1. They immediately went to the closest teacher to tell them and turn them over.

      Wat? Why not just, I dunno, tell nobody and taken them home?

      spend the rest of the day in In-School-Suspension

      That is still overreacting.

      1. That is still overreacting.

        Agreed. Especially considering that bullets in and of themselves aren’t intrinsically lethal or nearly so. It depends largely on the specific caliber and method of discharge, of course, but shotgun shells frequently require the shotgun in order to discharge effectively. Discharging a shotgun shell outside the gun simply causes the cartridge to rupture and leak propellant out (and air in) without actually/necessarily pushing the shot anywhere.

        I’d generally consider a smaller caliber JHP more of a stabbing hazard than a discharge hazard.

        1. we used to cut the top half of shotgun shells off to remove the pellets then you tape a rock or marble to the bottom making the bottom top heavy. Then you throw it in the air where it comes down on the rock thus igniting the primer and boom. But in my day you could leave your gun in the car at school

          1. we used to cut the top half of shotgun shells off to remove the pellets

            Yeah, the disappointment at learning that black powder won’t chase you the same way it chased Yosemite Sam was a right of passage growing up.

            Apparently, nowadays (or even then) you learn that discrepancy from Youtube or Mythbusters *if* you ever learn it at all.

        2. Derp, FMJ, not JHP.

        3. Well… in DC bullets in and of themselves are “unlawful ammunition”

          http://www.washingtontimes.com…..chek-guil/

      2. Wat? Why not just, I dunno, tell nobody and taken them home?

        Kids these days are heavily indoctrinated to be good little slaves of authority. When you have convinced the peons to rat themselves out, you know your indoctrination program is going great.

    2. I started hunting deer at the age of 12. When I hunted I wore my dad’s old Army field jacket that had lots of pockets. I continued to wear it as my primary coat for about the next 10 years. All through junior high, senior high and college, I almost always had live rounds in my pockets. It’s where I kept them for when I ran out.

    3. I was going through airport security and found a loose live .40S&W.

      I couldn’t back out and I couldn’t go forward.

      I took an empty tray, cupped the round into both my hands turned to the nearest TSA stooge and said…

      “I just found this in that tray”

      and zipped through the metal detector… What fun there was behind me as I got dressed

      1. found a loose live .40S&W. *in my own carry-on*

  7. So are GI Joes and Transformers and such banned?

    1. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are. These people are nuts. It is just magical thinking.

    2. Especially the ones with the kung fu grip

  8. Preschools have presidents and vice-presidents now?

    Oh, and fix the fucking comment software, Reason.

  9. “Little boys pretend to shoot each other all the time.”

    Man, we killed so many Yankees back in grade school it is a wonder they managed to win the Civil War.

    1. Man, we killed so many Yankees back in grade school it is a wonder they managed to win the Civil War.

      I didn’t realize the irony at the time, but as a true Gen Xer, we used to play ‘VC Ambush’ when/where I grew up. Nobody wins, no participation trophies, just lots of running, ‘shooting’, yelling, and noise.

    2. When we played Cowboys and Indians, everyone wanted to be an Indian, because Cowboys were the bad guys.

      1. Must have been in a different group. Most people I knew wanted to be cowboys because they always won (unless I was on the other side and made a big stink when they cheated).

  10. It’s a private preschool. They pulled this shit on me, I’d suspend them — permanently. Find a preschool that doesn’t do crap like this.

    1. Find a preschool that doesn’t do crap like this.

      This X 1,000,000,000,000. Stop giving these fuckheads your money.

  11. The mind-bending factories of publicly-funded education have deployed their cognition-enslavement zeitgeist to lacerate the chirping souls of youth with a virulent rigidity.

    1. Chirping Soul of Youth was my nickname in college. No, wait, my nickname was Virulent Rigidity.

  12. One of many reasons I don’t have kids. Because if that was my kid, I would be hard put to refrain from saying to that imbecile Principle; “Yes, I have a lot of guns. And you are threatening me family. Think about it, bitch.”

  13. The preschool is nuts, but so is the grandfather.
    You can’t really expect a four year old to understand anything other than that guns are off limits. In fact, you don’t even let a four year old know they exist. If they find a shell casing, you tell them those are robot eggs.

    1. You can’t really expect a four year old to understand anything other than that guns are off limits. In fact, you don’t even let a four year old know they exist.

      4 is an excellent time for a kid to start learning to stay behind the line and don’t touch. Also, WTF are you supposed to do? Since you can’t just lock them in the car with the windows cracked, the only option would be to *pay* someone to watch your kid when you go to the range.

    2. Ate my first post – squirrel time?

      I fired my first .22 at the age of four – my children were about the same age. If you can teach a child how to play in the yard without running into the street, or not to touch the stove or electrical outlets without adult supervision, you can teach them about basic gun safety.

  14. “enthusiasm for guns continued,” Thought police at work here

  15. I’ve been trying to imagine the conversation when these idiots are throwing out my kid over something like this. There is no thinking involved, so you can’t really put forth an argument about the stupidity of the whole thing.

    I’m normally pretty even-tempered, but this wouldn’t end well.

  16. I’ve been trying to imagine the conversation when these idiots are throwing out my kid over something like this. There is no thinking involved, so you can’t really put forth an argument about the stupidity of the whole thing.

    I’m normally pretty even-tempered, but this wouldn’t end well.

  17. I am waiting for the story where a four year brings a condom to school and is suspended for being a rapist, and informed that if his “enthusiasm for sex continued,” he would be expelled.

  18. Is it reasonable to deduce that although children’s services was called they had not contacted the family? I see no reference to a home visit or any contact from such. That tells me that CPS did not take the report because there was no safety issue. Callers are normally told that a concern does not rise to the level of a report being taken.

    If that is so, should the school not have taken a cue from the hotline telling the snitch just that?

  19. One word, “Home School” (yup, I’m the product of a public education). It is amazing that the 9whistle) shell casing didn’t put some kids eye out!

  20. I consider that incredibly normal behavior for young boys children

    FIFY. Fuckin-a.

  21. Throttlebottoms(1. (sometimes lowercase) a harmless incompetent in public office.) are on the loose! Just got this word from dictionary.com! It is so descriptive! LOL

  22. “Hunter was also being punished for pretending that his toys were guns”

    Imaginary play is bad now?

  23. One more point. Not all schools are at nuts as this one. For my son’s science fair project, we did a ballistics experiment using a Nerf Gun. We brought it in as part of the presentation. There was no issue. Public school in NJ which has some pretty stringent gun laws.

  24. Hunter was expelled for 7 days and informed that if his “enthusiasm for guns continued,” he would be expelled. Of course you would hear this from a goverment official they have been doing their best to disarm and pacify children for decades to the point that pretending your finger is a gun makes you a deviant

  25. time to remove Hunter from this den of tyranny. Mind control, that’s what they’re on about. Someone should take a whole big bag of spent .22 WRF casings and huck them over the fence into the grass. It won’t take but forty seconds max for some of the kids who find them to realise they make the coolest whistles… my Dad used to use them to stop a jackrabbit dead in his tracks… so he’d hold still long enough for Dad to shoot him….. more meat for the family stewpot. Oh, and he’d do this on the way home from school in the hot afternoons, all the kids brought their rifles with them every day. Just like many of them brought baseball gloves and bats. More schoolkids have been hurt/killed with baseball bats than guns whilst at school.

  26. Why is it that little girls never get suspended, only boys? I suspect school officials fear there would be a much bigger outcry, were they to suspend a girl.

  27. Incidents like this are the reason Donald Trump was elected President.

  28. There are times I am deeply sad I had no children. Then I read stories like this am an deeply glad I never had to send children through an evil system like public school.

  29. Boy, good thing he didn’t take it to Mexico.

  30. Essentially similar data read at a couple of different sources, leaving me wondering as to the following. How was it or is it that such administrative idiots ever obtained positions of authority? Did they steal, did they cheat, did they perhaps find it laying unattend by the roadside answers please.

    As to school officials bring a government agency into the fray, that action is something that they might long remember and regret.

  31. Essentially similar data read at a couple of different sources, leaving me wondering as to the following. How was it or is it that such administrative idiots ever obtained positions of authority? Did they steal, did they cheat, did they perhaps find it laying unattend by the roadside answers please.

    As to school officials bring a government agency into the fray, that action is something that they might long remember and regret.

  32. My comment posted twice, in error. Sorry.

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