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Could Impeachment of South Korean President Improve Relations with North Korea and China?

Leading candidate to replace supports more engagement with North Korea, fewer sanctions

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The impeachment of South Korea President Park Geun-hye could lead to a reset of South Korean relations with North Korea and China, as The Washington Post notes. That depends on the results of the election due in 60 days.

Park succeeded Lee Myung-Bak, and both were members of conservative parties who supporter a harder line against North Korea. The rogue's state's latest missile tests coincide with the run-up to Park's impeachment. North Korean state media responded quickly to her legal removal, saying she would be "investigated as a common criminal". Park is indeed already a criminal suspect. But if her corruption makes her a common criminal, the sociopaths in charge in Pyeongyang are uncommon criminals. It's unclear who the intended audience of their gloating over Park's removal is. The domestic audience may wonder whether their criminal leaders, too, could be removed.

The election, scheduled for May, was, prior to Park's removal, set for December. There are as of yet no declared candidates, but at least four parties will hold primary elections over the coming weeks to select their candidates. The center-left Democratic Party has substantial leads in polling so far, and their early frontrunner is Moon Jae-in, who ran against Park in 2012. Moon, a former special forces soldier, served as chief of staff to President Roh Moo-hyun, who while he committed suicide in 2009 over graft allegations remains the most popular of former Korean presidents, considered far less corrupt than others.

Last year, Moon said he would visit Pyeongyang if he were elected president, and has sent mixed signals about the missile defense deployment South Korea and the U.S. agreed to last year, saying there were "both gains and losses" according to the South China Morning Post, and previously called for Park to leave the decision on the U.S. missile defense system to the government scheduled to be elected this year. Moon has backed more dialogue over sanctions against North Korea, saying the hardline stance had been a "complete failure" since it has not deterred North Korea's weapons programs. The North Korean military conducted a series of missile tests in recent weeks, amid the political turmoil in South Korea, the start of the deployment of the missile defense system, and the transition of power in the U.S.

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  1. South Korean life with North Korea is incompatible. N. Korea won’t accept capitalism nor free Democracy as long as lil’ Kim is running a totalitarian regime. S. Koreans would be fools to give N. Korea anything. Its like appeasing Hitler, never do it. Stand your ground and be ready for war. Hopefully you have some allies on your side that will continue the fight after your country is devastated. N. Korea knows it would be over for them too.

    All this 38th Parallel stuff because FDR sought the help of the Russians to defeat Japan because he didn’t know if our atomic program would work. The USSR rushed into Korea in the closing days of WWII to land grab. The the Korean War, which left Korea divided. A real shame.

    1. ^+ a bunch.
      You simply do not ‘negotiate’ with the thug blocking the sidewalk down the street. You walk the other side until you and several other folks get fed up and knock him on his ass.
      Any ‘negotiation’ suggests his position can be considered acceptable in some way.

      1. Because if you just don’t accept his position hard enough he’s bound to abandon it, right?

        1. And if you do, why then he abandons it?
          Fail.

          1. Is that my koan to meditate on for the day?

      2. “You simply do not ‘negotiate’ with the thug blocking the sidewalk down the street. ”

        Fact remains that both North and South Korea are willing to negotiate with America despite her thuggish ways.

      3. Help….and i see retarded keep repeating this bullshit. Never deal witha thug. Beat and kill the thug.

    2. Plus you can’t negotiate with an insane regime. To think you can shows that you expect they will act rationally in their own interest. Which is na?ve.

    3. “The USSR rushed into Korea in the closing days of WWII to land grab. The the Korean War, which left Korea divided.”

      You’re confused. The USSR rushed into 4 islands in the north of Japan which they occupy to this day. They never occupied North Korea. Korea has always been divided by factionalism and regionalism. The current state of affairs is not so different from what it was hundreds, even thousands of years ago, with different regions of Korea forming alliances with neighbouring powers like China or Japan (or USA, which has taken the place of Japan in the hearts of the ex-president and her ilk. There’s nothing shameful in it, Koreans seem to prefer it that way.

      1. You’re confused.
        Operation August Storm:
        August 17, 1945 Soviet forces began amphibious landings in Korea by August 14 and rapidly took over the north-east of the country, and on August 16 they landed at Wonsan.On August 24, the Red Army reached Pyongyang.
        Potsdam Order #1
        Operation August Storm
        Korea has been ruled by Japan since 1905 following the SIno-Japanese war and the Russo-Japanese war.

        1. Japan ruled Korea from 1905 until August 1945.

        2. No!
          trueman posted bullshit AGAIN?!

        3. I don’t see any land grab or occupation in North Korea. You might be thinking of the South where there are foreign military bases all over the place and the South Korean government does not even command its own military.

          1. “I don’t see any land grab or occupation in North Korea”

            “The division of Korea between North and South Korea was the result of the Allied victory in World War II in 1945, ending the Empire of Japan’s 35-year rule of Korea. The United States and the Soviet Union occupied the country, with the boundary between their zones of control along the 38th parallel.”
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea

            1. The Soviets didn’t enter Korea to grab land. That was Japan. They are grabbing Japanese land to this day. In Korea, the Soviets were rolling up a foreign occupation.

              1. The Soviets didn’t enter Korea to grab land.

                Right, they just wanted to turn it into another Soviet puppet state. Totally different.

                1. But North Korea was not a Soviet puppet. The idea to launch the invasion of the south back some 60 odd years ago, for example, was done over the objections of Stalin at the insistence of Kim Ilsung. Neither is North Korea today a puppet of China, regardless how many times CNN tells you otherwise. North Korea is one of the world’s most independent states, far more so than their neighbour to the south.

                  1. But North Korea was not a Soviet puppet.

                    Not for lack of trying on the Soviets’ part. The Soviets failed to achieve the level of control they wanted, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t want it.

                    North Korea is one of the world’s most independent states

                    Not economically. They depend heavily on China and Russia. They may not be a puppet of either country, although that’s mostly for lack of trying on China’s part, but the country would starve if not for their foreign connections.

                    The country’s leaders and party officials may be politically independent, but the vast majority of the inhabitants are not. They do what the party tells them or they and their families get imprisoned and/or executed. That’s not independence, it’s slavery.

                    1. “They may not be a puppet of either country,”

                      According to CNN and the vast majority of commenters here, they are a puppet of China. I disagree.

                    2. Who gives a fuck? Oh, the despotic shithole isn’t a foreign puppet. Give them a fucking medal for being inhuman to their own populace by choice!

                    3. “Oh, the despotic shithole isn’t a foreign puppet.”

                      I think he’s got it. By George, he’s got it.

                    4. By George, he’s got it.

                      Got what? I already said it’s not a puppet state. Do you “get” that that just makes North Korea’s situation all the more damning? Nobody forces the regime to be that brutal. Do you also write apologetics for run-of-the-mill murderers, or do you find that it takes a few million victims of atrocity before you really feel the need to pen a defense of thugs?

                    5. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 4:28PM|#
                      “… I disagree.”

                      Someone too stupid to find a single cite when you are proven wrong, and someone here should care whether you agree or not?
                      The idiot is missing from your blog; go back and provide it.

                    6. Go find your own cites, monkey boy.

                    7. So you pulled that out of your ass also? What a lying piece of shit.

  2. Only if you believe the current state of relations between the Koreas is because of the relatively liberal democracy and not the communistic hereditary psuedo-monarchy.

  3. Yeah, hopefully this will mean the expansion of the Kaesong and Ranson Free Trade Zones in North Korea.

    Nothing says Free Trade and Free Market more then Communist controlled sweatshops being used to undercut non Communist business and labor around the world. [/s]

  4. North Korea is either a madhouse run by a gibbering maniac, or a puppet state of The Mandarins’ Republic of China, who want to give the latter impression for some obscure reason. China is a bureaucratic state, as it has been several times in its history. It has a ‘reasonable’ mask that it tries to wear for the West, but it isn’t a very good mask, and behind it is a regime staggering in its awfulness.

    It may be that neither we nor South Korea are prepared to fight either or both of these regimes. But pretending that ‘Improving Relations” with either of them is a good thing, or even a possible goal consistent with remaining free, is absurd.

    1. On the other hand, continuing to threaten North Korea hasn’t produced much in the way of benefits that your typical South Korea can point proudly to.

      Blaming China for North Korea’s missile or nuclear programmes is typical American idiocy. Lay off the CNN for a while, and you might overcome it.

      1. “On the other hand, continuing to threaten North Korea hasn’t produced much in the way of benefits that your typical South Korea can point proudly to.”

        What ‘threat’ is this post about? Cite, please.

        1. On CNN, they call them ‘joint military exercises.’ Imagine a bunch of thugs gathering outside your house every month or so and going through a dry run of burning down your home and killing everyone in it. You’d take that as a threat, wouldn’t you?

          1. Imagine a bunch of thugs gathering outside your house every month or so and going through a dry run of burning down your home and killing everyone in it.

            But enough about North Korean artillery pointed at Seoul.

            1. It’s a tough neighbourhood. You’d be advised to avoid it. CNN will tell when it’s ok to visit.

              1. It’s not a “tough neighborhood”. It’s a tinpot dictatorship, open-air prison, and slave plantation rolled into one. The South wouldn’t have troops on the border or be conducting military exercises if the North became a free country.

                And fuck CNN.

                1. “The South wouldn’t have troops on the border or be conducting military exercises if the North became a free country.”

                  It’s the South who are the puppets here, and the USA would gladly have them stationing troops on the Chinese border, if it were possible, using exactly the same pretext.

                  And parrot CNN. It seems to be all you’re capable of.

                  1. It’s the South who are the puppets here

                    Baseless assertion

                    USA would gladly have them stationing troops on the Chinese border

                    Baseless assertion

                    And parrot CNN. It seems to be all you’re capable of.

                    Baseless assertion

                    0 for 3

                    1. “0 for 3”

                      And yet you still have nothing to add on the subject that can’t be gleaned from a few minutes of CNN viewing.

                    2. Do you even know what CNN is?

          2. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 12:59PM|#
            “On CNN, they call them ‘joint military exercises.'”

            So you pulled that out of your ass?
            Why is that not surprising?
            Fuck off.

            1. You asked me a question, I answered it.

              1. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 7:00PM|#
                “You asked me a question, I answered it.”

                I asked you a question, you made up some answer which does not support your claim.
                Not surprising.

                1. “I asked you a question,”

                  And when have I ever given you a satisfactory answer? You should stick with bluster and insults and save your questions for others you respect.

                  1. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 9:33PM|#
                    “And when have I ever given you a satisfactory answer? You should stick with bluster and insults and save your questions for others you respect.”

                    You will obviously stick with lies and bluster; the insults you richly deserve as such a lying piece of shit.

                    1. Good use of the semi colon. I will try to use them in the future.

      2. I haven’t voluntarily watched TV news in about a third of a century, for reasons that will occur to you the next time you are forced to.
        I deduce that North Korea may be a puppet state from a) China’s long, messy history of trying to set up puppet states in Korea and b) if North Korea ISN’T a puppet state, it is a military dictatorship, heavily armed, and run by a complete nut, right on China’s borders, which begs the question; why haven’t the Chinese abated the nuisance?

        1. For someone who hasn’t been a news watcher, you do a remarkable job of parroting them. Right down to your questioning the sanity of the North Korean leader, as doubtless you have done down through the generations, slavishly, though unwittingly, parroting all the media you take so much trouble to avoid.

          1. questioning the sanity of the North Korean leader

            Yes, who can forget all the world leaders not named Kim Jong-un who voiced their displeasure with government officials by having them executed with anti-aircraft guns.

            slavishly, though unwittingly, parroting all the media

            Which is so much worse than you slavishly and wittingly parroting the DPRK’s propaganda.

            1. “Which is so much worse than you slavishly and wittingly parroting the DPRK’s propaganda”

              We agree.

              1. The party’s lies are the best lies, eh comrade?

                1. North Korea’s nuclear and space programme are their own creations. They are not due to China’s efforts or assistance, whatever CNN keeps telling you.

                  1. That has nothing to do with anything, but that’s great. The North Koreans can barely keep their people fed above subsistence level, but when the time comes to nuke Seoul, we can all be happy that the bomb doesn’t say “Made in China”.

                    1. That Wolf Blirtzer, what a genius, eh?

                    2. You have never actually watched CNN, have you?

  5. Does anybody have an account of what better “relations” would mean? What would they do for people? Is this just a matter of statements between heads of state or their mouthpieces, or does it have actual likely consequences?

    1. “Does anybody have an account of what better “relations” would mean? ”

      A formal end to the Korean War might be in the cards. Depends a lot on the new South Korean president and how much he’s willing to defy Washington.

      1. “A formal end to the Korean War might be in the cards. Depends a lot on the new South Korean president and how much he’s willing to defy Washington.”

        Bull
        .
        .
        .
        .
        shit.

        1. Would that it were, my furry friend.

          1. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 7:16PM|#
            “Would that it were, my furry friend.”

            Would that you had a brain cell, dimwit.

            1. I have seen it. I saw it at an airport couple years back. There’s no need to watch it actually, I have it spouted back to me by you and other viewers all the time.

              1. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 9:37PM|#
                “I have seen it. I saw it at an airport couple years back. There’s no need to watch it actually, I have it spouted back to me by you and other viewers all the time.”

                Whatever you saw, I’m sure you are lying about it now as well, dimwit.

                1. Thanks for the update. Don’t be shy about sharing any other opinions you have about me. We can always discuss Korea some other time.

  6. The actual question is “What is the cost of staving off war and are they willing to pay it?”

    Sometimes there are no good solutions.

    1. Getting rid of this corrupt and incompetent politician is a very good solution.

      1. You seem to believe that is the only item under consideration by the Norks. Getting rid of Park is fine on its own, but it’s not the solution to the whole problem.

        1. North Korea has a few things to look forward to under the next president. Less bellicosity from the south, a chance to meet and discuss issues of mutual concern. It all may depend on how short a leash the US wants to keep the South Korean leader on. George W. Bush, for example, didn’t like Kim DaeJung’s sunshine policy one little bit, and it foundered right from the start.

          1. Yes, the South should be kept on a short leash, lest they say something mean about a dictatorship. Long live autocracy!

            1. If the South were free and independent, they wouldn’t be leashed at all.

              1. Yes, it’s so much better to be able to whip your slaves with impunity. The North Korean government has achieved King Leopold’s dream, to be able to own a million acres and a million people and bend them all to your will. Stunning and brave.

                1. If we just threaten them a little more, it’ll do the trick.

                  1. The 49th parallel has not moved in 65 years. The only threat to the North is its own people, which is why they are so badly treated by the North Korean government.

                    1. 49, 38, who’s counting?

                    2. If only Wolf would tell them so. Things could be so easy.

                    3. If only you weren’t such a mendacious halfwit, actual discussion could be had.

                    4. I thought it was my love of all things communist that was preventing you from saying anything that hasn’t been said a thousand times on CNN.

                    5. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 9:39PM|#
                      “I thought it was my love of all things communist that was preventing you from saying anything that hasn’t been said a thousand times on CNN.”

                      Not sure what that was intended to mean, and I’m quite sure you weren’t either. Bafflegab from trueman is par for the course.
                      But it is your stupidity and total lack of knowledge regarding what you post that makes you the target of anyone who has any knowledge of the issues involved.
                      I believe you once admitted to being a total ignoramus; you should repost that so those of us who know what we’re posting about can ignore your stupidity and get on with an adult conversation.
                      And do us all a favor: Fuck off.

                    6. “I believe you once admitted to being a total ignoramus; ”

                      A couple of drinks and I’ll admit to anything. Keep sharing. My opinions matter.

  7. Heck, why stop at impeachment? How about total capitulation. That would certainly make Pyongyang and China’s day.

    Not sure how the Japanese would feel about all the boat people turning up on their coasts, but it sure would solve their population problem.

    So, win win!

  8. Let us tally all the communist regimes mtrueman thinks are/were great:

    – Cuba
    – USSR
    – China
    – North Korea

    There is quite literally no bridge too far. Coming up next, how great Tito’s Yugoslavia and Hoxha’s Albania were.

    1. We need to threaten them more. That will scare the red out of them.

      1. North Korea threatens South Korea every day. There are no South Korean labor camps, no South Korean families have been executed for political dissidence. Unlike North Korea, the South can even oust a leader peacefully. Your excuses are pathetic.

        1. “North Korea threatens South Korea every day. ”

          Deterrence requires a credible threat to work. It’s not just restricted to the Korean peninsula either. It’s universal.

          ” Your excuses are pathetic.”

          What am I supposed to be excusing? Russia’s non-existent North Korean land grab?

          1. mtrueman|3.13.17 @ 9:46PM|#
            “…What am I supposed to be excusing? Russia’s non-existent North Korean land grab?”

            Gee, shitbag, once more busted by a cite:
            “”The division of Korea between North and South Korea was the result of the Allied victory in World War II in 1945, ending the Empire of Japan’s 35-year rule of Korea. The United States and the Soviet Union occupied the country, with the boundary between their zones of control along the 38th parallel.”
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_Korea

            Got a cite for your lie? Or just more bullshit?

            1. Once more, it was Japanese territory that the Russians grabbed, not Korean. It’s confusing I know all these slanty eyed folk and their weird countries.

  9. kbolino|3.13.17 @ 9:07PM|#
    “You have never actually watched CNN, have you?”

    I saved it for a while and then lost it: trueman admitted to being a complete hypocrite since he’s ‘smart enough to change his views mid-way through a sentence’ or some such bullshit.
    The man (?) is not bright, but presumes that kicking up enough dust will allow him to claim things are ‘difficult’, and thereby toss out lame bullshit in the hopes that someone will see it as ‘profound!’
    It’s not; it’s imbecilic horseshit parroted by someone who has ‘studied’ history from Reader’s Digest and is therefore incapable of citing one source for the bullshit he posts.
    Hey, trueman! Do you know what a “cite” is? Do you need assistance?

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