Nazis

Thugs Indulge Their Weimar Dreams and Become the Totalitarians They Claim to Hate

It's tough being a heroic anti-Nazi street fighter when you're the closest thing to a Nazi around.

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Last week, anti-fascist protesters showed up in Berkeley, California, to courageously battle the Nazi supporters of alt-right figure Milo Yiannopoulos. Soon after, they likewise put it all on the line to tussle with the right-wing mob supporting radical demagogue Gavin McInnes.

Well, that's how they imagine it in their fever dreams, anyway. In reality, the Nazis didn't show up and the protesters themselves were the only totalitarians in sight. The Black Bloc thugs—"about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest," says UC-Berkeley—seem to imagine themselves as stars of a Weimar Germany reenactment. In their minds, they march through the streets as the phalanx of the center-left Eiserne Front (or, more likely, the communist Rotfrontkämpferbund), battling their deadly enemies in the Nazi SA between sessions at the beer hall.

But the anti-fascists couldn't find any Nazis at Berkeley. So instead "[t]hey shattered the glass of our Amazon Pickup Center, one of the few places Berkeley students can receive packages without fear of them getting stolen. They created a bonfire of trash in the center of the chaos, picked up barricades to drive through the building's glass walls, set off fireworks, and left a trail of rage-filled destruction in their wake as they stormed the very streets we call home," in the words of a student who saw a peaceful anti-Trump protest hijacked by visitors from 1930.

Oh, and they sold a whole lot of books for Milo, who is less a Nazi than a professional troll and self-promoter who has tied his personal brand to that of Donald Trump.

Brownshirts also missed the date at Gavin McInnes's speech at New York University. Anti-fascist crusaders had to settle for pepper-spraying McInnes himself before he'd even opened his mouth, and cursing out cops for not beating up McInnes and his supporters. And they got themselves arrested for disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and criminal mischief.

McInnes, by the way isn't a Nazi either. The co-founder of Vice and serial hipster's major "offense" seems to be that he's a Trump supporter; he's also a self-described "Western chauvinist," seemingly a male chauvinist, and no fan of Islam.

Arguably, a Nazi did show up for the very first act of anti-Nazi direct action of the Trump era, when avowed racist Richard Spencer was violently attacked the day after the new president took office. Ironically, he was giving a TV interview at the time, during which he denied being a neo-Nazi—he's just awful in so many other ways. But that's close enough for the incident to have sparked a Nazi-punching craze, with allegedly serious articles in major publications pondering the ethics of committing battery against people for their political views.

For examples as of yet of an actual violent opponent for American anti-fascists to fight, there is the pro-Trump shooter who wounded a man during a violent anti-Milo protest at the University of Washington. But he claimed self-defense and has yet to be charged with a crime. After that, you'll have to look long and hard for an SA stand-in.

Curiously, each major target of violent anti-fascist ire has actually been further and further from an actual Nazi, from Spencer, to Yiannopoulos, to McInnes. This suggests that the threshold allegedly justifying physical assault is movable, making anybody at the outer edge of the shifting acceptable realm for speech eligible for a punch. If it's Nazis all the way down, ultimately, only two black-clad douchebags will be left standing in a basement somewhere, fists clenched, glaring at each other with each wondering about the other's anti-Nazi bona fides.

Which is a big part of why it's not OK to punch Nazis. And look, we've demonstrated the point in just a month.

There's also a big problem in insisting on Nazi-hunting when the world is so short of real and dangerous examples of the creature. That is, when hunting snipe you're very likely to overlook real game. Perils are already abundant in the form of powerful government officeholders who are not by any means Nazis but still manage to pose threats to personal freedom. There are threats to be found in a president who is thin-skinned and narcissistic with nary a swastika in sight. And there are serious threats inherent in alleged anti-fascist crusaders who throw Molotov cocktails and bricks at people they don't like, demonstrating a Nazi-like intolerance for opposing opinions.

Real dangers tend to come in more complicated form than good guys and bad guys slugging it out in the street.

President Trump, for example gave a horrible response to the Berkeley violence. Leave aside for the moment debates over whether government should be allowed the financial power over universities that comes with funding them, his tweet that "If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view—NO FEDERAL FUNDS?" is just bizarre. Unlike some college administrations, UC-Berkeley administration supported Yiannopoulos's right to speak—the attack came from outside.

Trump is also incredibly thin-skinned with little taste for criticism and in recent days has blasted journalists, judges, and foreign leaders who get under his skin. He is the uber troll, armed with the power of the presidency.

But Trump has also named as his Supreme Court choice Neil Gorsuch, one of the more likely jurists to push back against executive overreach on a variety of issues. Gorsuch's record "suggests he has considerably more respect for the First Amendment than Donald Trump does," Jacob Sullum wrote last week.

Betsy DeVos, Trump's nominee for secretary of education, wants to reduce government control over what is taught and how that knowledge is delivered. That should probably be taken as a good sign by college students concerned about the president's unpredictable personality and authoritarian tendencies.

In short, the political cause of the age isn't an anti-fascist holy war against Nazis; it's a more complicated wariness toward an unpredictable and preening chief executive who inherited excessive power amassed by his already disturbing, but more polished, predecessors.

But that more difficult task is likely to get overshadowed by loons indulging their fantasies about the righteousness of launching punches, bricks, and pepper spray at foes who look less like Weimar-era brownshirts and more like anybody who disagrees with them.

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  1. Heh. Well at least this proves that every post doesn’t have to be TDS.

    1. I guess 2-chili isn’t angling for a spot at the New Republic like some of other writers here.

      1. ^ This

    2. his tweet that “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view?NO FEDERAL FUNDS?” is just bizarre.

      SJWs don’t control nothing no more! We won! #MAGA

      Trump is also incredibly thin-skinned with little taste for criticism and in recent days has blasted journalists, judges, and foreign leaders who get under his skin. He is the uber troll, armed with the power of the presidency

      Thin-skinned!!!! Trump is cucking those journalists, judges, and foreign leaders!!!

      1. Such delicious tears–but you are such a surefire source, rushing out to whine at every example of TDS that you are starting to devalue this oh-so-delicious type of tear–the ones wept as the flesh peels from the face.

    3. you didn’t read the whole article did you. just another article attacking the attackers but then justifying how bad Trump is overall

  2. 1. It’s okay to punch Nazis, because they’re bad.
    2. Everyone I don’t like is a Nazi.
    3. ???

    1. It’s okay to punch everyone?

      1. to be sure

      2. Everyone they don’t like, not everyone who dislikes them.

    2. 4. Arrested for Aggrivated Assault.

      1. or…

        4. Dead on the street for attacking the wrong non-Nazi.

        (certainly not endorsing said action, but there are hotheads on the right, too)

        1. You don’t have to be a right-leaning hothead to pop someone for aggravated assault. Fearing for one’s life is justified in self-defense shootings (at least in Ohio. YMMV)

      2. Aggrivated Assault? A portmanteau of “aggravated” and “aggrieved”?

    3. 1. It’s okay to punch Nazis, because they’re bad.
      2. Everyone I don’t like is a Nazi.
      3. ???

      3. Profit!

      1. Can’t be that. Profit is evil.

    4. Progressives are well on their way to turning Nazis into lovable underdogs.

  3. J.D. is one of the few writers left on Reason worth reading.

    1. ^ THIS also….

    2. I mean, other than Shack, Root, ENB, Slade, Doherty, Bailey, Nick, Welch, and contributors like Hinkle, Harsanyi…

        1. They all look alike to me

      1. Yeah, really they’re all “worth reading” even if you disagree with a lot of what they say. Only reading writers that one completely agrees with is how people end up stuck in little ideological bubbles, which causes them to become unhinged loons when they discover, much to their shock, that there’s a lot of people who don’t share their worldview.

        In short, that’s how you end up just as insane as the progtards that we all like to make fun of.

        1. really they’re all “worth reading”

          Except for Shika. That bitch really is unhinged lately.

          1. Even Shika should be read. Just so you understand her (and others like her) arguments even if they aren’t necessarily logical.

          2. Reading Chapman and Dhalmia is like slowing down while driving by a bloody car wreck. It serves no purpose, but you turn to see just how awful it is.

      2. I’m even liking Soave purely for the epic salt his articles elicit in the comments.

        1. Oh the comments to Robby’s articles are the best part….

    3. Hear, hear!

    4. Agreed Jimmy.

  4. “the attack came from outside”

    Except it didn’t.

    Dabney Miller

    1. Dabney Miller Who Beat Conservative And Bragged About It Online Is A Staff Member At The UC Berkeley

  5. Pave Darker??? ?@PaveDarker

    @AnaKasparian @UCBerkeley

    A quick search of facebook under his twitter handle leads you hear giving both his location and much more
    3/ pic.twitter.com/1jMe2fIeRl

    3:06 PM – 3 Feb 2017

  6. So much better. Even made the effort to separate Spencer from Milo and Gavin.

    1. Don’t ignore the further reach of honesty in rightly not characterising Spencer as a Neo-Nazi. I mean, it’s nearly unconscionable. I can’t even. 2Chilly didn’t even call him a fascist!

  7. “President Trump, for example gave a horrible response to the Berkeley violence. Leave aside for the moment debates over whether government should be allowed the financial power over universities that comes with funding them, his tweet that “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view?NO FEDERAL FUNDS?” is just bizarre. Unlike some college administrations, UC-Berkeley administration supported Yiannopoulos’s right to speak?the attack came from outside.”

    And the campus cops were pulling their puds while rioters shut down the speech.

    How about this – universities have dip into their federal aid to pay for the damage caused by campus riots, unless they can prove that the riot damage happened despite their best efforts to prevent it.

    1. Didn’t the president of Berkeley pretty much instigate the whole thing with his comments preceding the Milo talk?

      Either way, colleges such as Berkeley are getting double subsidized. First through student loan programs, second through grants. If they can’t show tolerance for political speech and violate multiple rights of its students, they especially shouldn’t get federal funding.

      1. Yeah, I was too mild. No funds at all to universities plagued by anti-free-speech violence, unless they can prove their hands are clean. This includes not inciting the violence and not sitting around jacking off while mobs attack.

        1. No, I definitely get what you’re saying. I don’t like the idea of being vengeful, but this was pretty egregious and shouldn’t be tolerated at all. I’d prefer criminal charges and federal investigation into police behavior that night coupled with the loss of federal funding.

          1. It’s only vengeful from the perspective that one state agency (Berkeley) somehow has earned or deserves tax revenue, which doesn’t really make sense. If you’re operating under the premise that taxes are justified because they are going towards services provided directly or indirectly to taxpayers, then a federally-funded university has some obligation to uphold the law on property it controls, especially where it has police powers.

            1. Personally, I’d love to see Trump initiate a RICO on the UC system. How funny would that be, since it’s Janet Napolitano who is one of the key figures in granting excessive powers to the federal government over the past 9 years? The investigation doesn’t even need to happen, just be proposed, to freak out the left.

        2. What’s this “unless” shit?

          We should never send federal taxpayer funds to universities. Period.

        3. I think they were jacking off because of the mob violence.

    2. THIS.

      Berkeley campus and city cops know who they work for and looked the other way during the riot because that’s what their bosses wanted.

      You want free speech? Then you have to have police willing to arrest and prosecute anyone (regardless of their politics) who tries to use violence to prevent free speech.

      1. Ah, but the pampered Campus Intellectuals DON’T want free speech. They want the permenant preservation of their little social bubble. They also want no-work tenure, and free Starbucks for life, and probably a pony. What they DESERVE is another matter entirely.

      1. What happened here?

        Anyway, once they have the funds, I’m not sure how you make sure they spend the dollars that came from the federal government. Unless the city is paying for the cleanup, or someone else, that’s effectively what will happen, no?

        Did anyone get arrested in this thing?

      2. The squirrels have judged you, and they find your comment lacking.

    3. Yeah, petty rules and laws against behavior we don’t like is just what is called for….

  8. I don’t think the presence of perhaps just a single Berkeley employee indicates that the attacks were supported by the administration. The near total absence of a police response is more incriminating.

    1. The mayor is the prime suspect in holding the police back.

      1. That makes sense.

    2. Yeah, I don’t think that really contradicts what Tucille was saying.

  9. McInnes has a series on youtube that is hilarious. I’m lovin’ his commentary…

    1. From his work on The Rebel, I rate him a ‘Meh’. If I need background noise I wouldn’t immediately shut it off.

      1. Soooo… the “meh” is just above “pfffft” and just below “ummmmm…”?

          1. “meh” is just above “pfffft” and just below “ummmmm…”

            The taint of apathy.

              1. Euphemism, band name, whatever.

                1. The Taint of Apathy would be a good album name. Not sure about band name.

                  1. Good Butthole Surfers album.

      2. I don’t know, his recent bit about going “you want a Nazi? I’ll give you a Nazi!” and then standing up in front of a bunch of college kids proclaiming “there are three problems in America today…the NEGRO, the WOMAN, and the HOMOSEXUAL!” is hilarious.

  10. You know who else was a Nazi?

    1. Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski ?
      Herbert Backe ?
      Richard Baer ?
      Alfred Baeumler -?
      Klaus Barbie ?
      Josef Bauer ?
      Josef Berchtold ?
      Gottlob Berger?
      Alfred Ingemar Berndt ?
      Hans Biebow ?
      Helmut Bischoff ?
      Paul Blobel ?
      Werner von Blomberg ?
      Hans-Friedrich Blunck ?
      Ernst Boepple ?

      1. You forgot Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh.

        1. He’s still just in the B’s.

      2. Martin Heidegger

      3. Edward VIII?

      4. The Red Skull?

      5. Bernard Shaw
        W.E.B Dubios

    2. Blondi?

    3. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

    4. Me from the waist down?

  11. I don’t think these people are just playing at being revolutionaries, they genuinely are revolting.

    1. I think you are right. I think what they are hoping for is a disproportionate response. Say, the imposition of martial law which would reinforce their claim of Nazis perhaps even resonating with the public if it was too far over the top.

    2. Revolting based on what? Their ideology is as thin as their skin.

      This is nothing but a temper tantrum.

      1. Oh, they’re revolting all right.

    3. You said it, they stink on ice.

      1. Literally. You should have smelled the place when I was a student there. Walking by People’s Park was an adventure in Hobo Stank ? although I luckily lived in a really cool 19th century dorm (actually a converted mansion) in the wooded hills next to the stadium on the campus’s edge, so it actually had a crisp NorCal/Endor forest smell there.

        But seriously, walking onto the main campus or down by Telegraph was an adventure in Hobo Stank…

    4. Well, you know, we all want to change the world.

    5. They are desperate to make the type of contribution they think their forebearers made in fighting the good fight. It makes it nearly impossible for them to have any perspective.

    6. They sure are. Disgusting, too.

    7. No, they are just playing. What sacrifices are they making? A real revolutionary is willing to take all sorts of hardship for the cause. These jackasses just want to go out and break shit. Come Monday, they’re back in class, tweeting on their iPhones about the evils of capitalism and patting themselves on the back for standing up to the man.

  12. Leave it to 2Chili to lay down the law.

  13. Nietzsche had some relevant advice for these protesters, the people disgusted by these protesters and the people disgusted by the people who are disgusted by the protesters

    “Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

    1. YOU MEAN NIETZSCHE THE FOUNDER OF NAZI IDEOLOGY?

      1. Yes, the very same one. The Will to Power and Triumph of the Will. Only an idiot couldn’t see the connection vis-a-vis Will.

        1. SEE, SEE, NIETZSCHE WAS A NAZI, AND YOU’RE A NAZI FOR QUOTING HIM, AND…

          “All anti-Semites ought to be shot.”

          “…nationalism, this national neurosis from which Europe is sick.”

          *Head explodes*

          1. Sometimes Gavin McInnes’s mustachioed face resembles that of Neitzsche’s, therefore QED. Bam, dots connected; trifecta clear as a sunny day.

      2. And Nietzsche relied heavily on Hegel, as did Marx.

        1. And Hegel was responding to Kant, who was an Enlightenment philosopher. Libertarian moment?

          1. And Kant was responding to David Hume…

            …I think that we’re staring into that abyss here, guys!

          2. …and Hegel was the source of Historicism in Prog theology.

          3. I visited the graveyard where he was buried a few years ago when I was studying in Berlin. There’s a ton of famous German architects and intellectuals buried in the cemetery of the Sophienkirche in central Berlin. Johann Fichte is also buried there, as well as novelist Heinrich Mann.

            Also, because it’s Berlin, there are still bullet craters in some of the mausoleums there as German soldiers made their last stand against Soviet forces who were pushing up north of the Spree.

      3. LET’S DEVELOP SYPHILIS AND HUG HORSES!

  14. Based on my careful observations, I find that the most dangerous type of a thug is the one who disguises his depravity behind a well tailored suit.

      1. Bruce Wayne?

  15. I’m afraid for Robert Reich. I think he may need professional help. From his Newsweek column:

    “Which raises the possibility that Yiannopoulos and Brietbart were in cahoots with the agitators, in order to lay the groundwork for a Trump crackdown on universities and their federal funding.”

    1. He says that he did not see any students among the violent protesters. But he is only 3 foot tall so what could he see? Does he mean that he did not recognize any of their shoes>

      1. I think it’s more like “Having his back to the crowd, Reich claimed to not see any students”.

      2. He knows every student at Berkeley personally, it seems, and thus can tell that none of them were among the rioters. Oh, and most of them were wearing masks.

    2. Reich obviously doesn’t pay much attention to the news outside of the New York Times. This was not the first violent effort by Leftists to silence speech. How vast is this Brietbart conspiracy that they can cause civil discourse throughout the country?

    3. He’s heading dangerously close to something actionable. Using a platform such at the NYT to claim that Milo masterminded riots which have led to lots of property damage and one person shot – seems like you should have some evidence lined up first.

      1. I’m pretty sure Milo falls in the public figure category.

      2. Yep and somebody – maybe the NYT – went the extra mile calling Milo a “right wing provocateur”. Using “provocateur” was no accident.

    4. In the middle of California in the land of Berkeley
      Lives a brave little hobbit who’s With Hillary.
      With his ivory tower
      Fuzzy, woolly toes
      He lives in a hobbit-hole and everybody knows him

      Robert! Robert Reich
      He’s only three feet tall
      Robert! Robert Reich
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Now hobbits are a peace-loving folks and quite funny
      They don’t like to hurry as they take all your money
      They don’t like to travel
      Away from the FTC
      They just want to tax and make policy

      But one day Robert was asked by Clinton
      On a big adventure to Washington
      To help some Democrats return to Big Labor
      what nasty what Reagan had given to their neighbor

      Robert! Robert! Robert Reich
      He’s only three feet tall
      Robert! Robert! Robert Reich
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Well he fought for minimum wage!
      Battled the tech age!
      He riddled with Gingrich!
      He was a little bitch!

      He was on TV!
      Lost an election!
      Decried corporate influence on government!

      Robert! Robert Reich
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Now he’s back in his class in the ivory tower
      That brave little hobbit who can’t help but glower
      Just sittin’ on a treasure of
      Silver and gold
      Callin’ for us all to be on the dole

      Robert! Robert Reich
      He’s only three feet tall
      Robert! Robert Reich
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

    5. So Reich is basically on record as saying that Trump is the smartest person alive on the planet.

      1. It’s always that way with leftists. Trump (Like G.W. Bush before him) is simultaneously the stupidest piece of shit and the most brilliant Machiavellian thinker ever to exist. Somehow.

    6. I think that’s a much better response to the violence-being afraid of it-than to cheer it on, which has been the response from many progressives.

  16. Good article but the SA quip about the shooter outside a Milo event was uncalled for. Video shows the guy was clearly defending himself from being curbstomped by a mob. Maybe it was tongue in cheek but come on.

      1. I’ve had enough of this Tucille cuck, when is TReason going to publish more Nick Pell articles?

    1. I think it was good as a rhetorical device. The point I took from it is that the closest thing anyone can find to pro-Trump violence is this one guy who was very likely legitimately acting in self defense.

  17. I hope Soave is taking notes.

    1. Soave should watch more Alex Jones. Now that guy, that guy knows his stuff.

        1. What? Does the man sell supplements or does he not?

      1. Yes!

        More of this!

        These tears are soooo much better than the weak tea that seeps from an SJW

        So piquant, so…….salty

        why, you’re probably not even aware that they ARE tears!

        delicious!

        1. Dead thread-fucking…….brilliant!

  18. Kraut and Tea did an interesting analysis on the AntiFa types. His conclusion was that the current is more analogous to Italy’s Years of Lead. It is pretty accurate and disheartening.

    1. *current political climate

      I was so pleased with my tagging I forgot to complete my thought.

  19. The other day I saw something from Noam Chomsky who sagely noted that:

    1. Punching people over free speech is wrong on principle

    2. If the left is going to go down that route they should understand that it’s the other side that has all the guns.

    So thanks, Black Bloc, for making Noam Chomsky sound reasonable.

    1. When Noam Chomsky, genocide denier, is going “whoa, settle down guys” you need to rethink your plans.

      1. He mellowed on raging against the machine when the machine started inviting him onto their talk shows.

    2. “If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.” Noam Chomsky

      Broken clock, twice a day, etc.

      1. He might have been reading someone else’s work when he said that.

      2. “Besides, if we don’t let them express themselves, how will we root out the wreckers and kulaks?” (inside the mind of Noam)

  20. I like you 2 Chili, you’re a funny guy. That’s why I’m going to kill you last.

    1. +1 tired arm

  21. What? A writer at Reason that is actually defending ‘freedom of speech’ without any virtue signaling, qualifiers, or ‘to be sures’? That’s actual pro-individual rights. I thought that was totes pa sea, since the magazines masthead was changed to ‘Woke Minds and Intersectional Solidarity’?

    1. Well… there was the mandatory Richard Spencer bashing and some clueless Trump criticism without wondering why Berkeley cops let it all happen.

      1. Spencer deserves to be bashed (verbally, not physically obviously) but he threw in ‘arguably’ before calling him a Nazi at least.

        1. If you say so. I never heard of the guy before he became bad-guy #1 for the liberals. And he had nothing to do with either of these riots, so talking about him here was just lighting the virtue signal.

        2. Spencer deserves to be dismissed. The irony is that no one would have ever heard of him, if it had not been for Leftists imagining Nazis everywhere. It reminds me of the Nitszche quote, something like ‘be careful when fighting monsters that you do not become a monster, yourself’.

          1. I heard of him way before Clinton started talking about the alt-right. *Hipster nod*

            I’ve been reading his work on Radix, so perhaps I’m too familiar with him to recognize his role in the greater zeitgeist.

            1. Zeitgeist sounds German and thus vaguely fascist.

    2. I dunno Fire Shikha, there seems to be plenty of ‘but Trump is awful’ in that article. Overall it is spot on but I think the virtue signaling and qualifiers are required at Reason.

      1. How delicate are you wusses?

  22. If it’s Nazis all the way down, ultimately, only two black-clad douchebags will be left standing in a basement somewhere, fists clenched, glaring at each other with each wondering about the other’s anti-Nazi bona fides.

    Tuccille, we need more of you.

  23. with allegedly serious articles in major publications pondering the ethics of committing battery against people for their political views.

    And serious tweets from Reason writers…

  24. Video of the events leading up to the shooting at UW.

    http://patch.com/washington/se…..os-protest

    1. So, the shooter was anti-fa and not Trump supporter.

      Interesting.

  25. Far and away one of Reason‘s better articles on Berkeley. But that’s damning with faint praise. Would have been better with a bit more attention to precision:
    .
    (1) Milo is indeed completely harmless. He is completely open about being a troll, admitting he has absolutely no interest in politics beyond using the Trump moment to have fun promoting his own fabulousness. The only reason he looks like he takes politics seriously is because he has about ten times the brains of most people who shoot their mouths off.
    .
    (2) Gavin McInnes is a racist piece of shit. Doesn’t take much research to find this out.
    .
    (3) Richard Spencer is not an “actual Nazi.” He is a white supremacist. He’s not even really a neo-Nazi. (Real Nazis are all about 100 by now; today’s loser poseurs don’t even deserve that dignity.)
    .
    Just let’s be correct here. You know, for its own sake.

    1. What, you haven’t shit your pants over the 1993 documentary Skinheads USA yet? If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.

      1. I’m sure it would just depress me over the declining state of White Power music since I was a kid. Good luck trying to find the next Skrewdriver; have you heard this shit nowadays?

        Racism has declined so much even since then that the dregs the media manages to scrape up to sell papers (and the “antifas” scrape up to play their little Weimar LARPing with them) can’t even put together a decent song telling me to get my shitskinned ass back to the Third World. Sad!

        1. Even racism isn’t what it used to be.

    2. Matt Welch was on Gavin McInnes’ podcast just two or three weeks ago. I don’t listen to McInnes’ podcast, but I was Welch was on so I gave it a listen. McInnes is offensive, no doubt, but the things he says are no more offensive than Bill Maher’s talk about Islam (which really does border on the bigoted). So, does this mean that Reason ‘normalizes’ racists?

      1. does this mean that Reason ‘normalizes’ racists

        Of course not! Whoever said that?

        Anything can be “offensive”; all it takes is for some snowflake to get offended. That label papers over the fact that McInnes is an actual racial bigot against actual races. Maher is a fucking idiot in about 50 different ways, including most of what he says about religion, but religious bigotry, such that it is, is qualitatively different than racism. “Islam is not a race” has developed a bad rep as some sort of fig leaf for darker sentiments, but it has the inconvenient property of being completely fucking true. I say this as a staunch defender of Muslims.

    3. (2) Gavin McInnes is a racist piece of shit. Doesn’t take much research to find this out.

      I listen to Gavin often and I’ve not heard that. In fact on a number of occasions he’s gone off about racists.

      (3) Richard Spencer is not an “actual Nazi.” He is a white supremacist. He’s not even really a neo-Nazi. (Real Nazis are all about 100 by now; today’s loser poseurs don’t even deserve that dignity.)

      He’s a white nationalist.

    4. Gavin is not a racist. You need to do more research.

    5. McInnes is not a racist. Your research methodology is faulty.

      Married to an Indian, constantly argues with the alt-right about how the West is cultural, not racial. Totally a racist.

      1. “The West is the Best.” It’s just one of many far-right, libertarian-ish tenets, including: “minimal government, maximum freedom, anti-political correctness, anti-racial guilt, pro-gun rights, anti-Drug War, closed borders, anti-masturbation, venerating entrepreneurs, venerating housewives.”

        1. anti-masturbation

          Kinky!

  26. So Reason decided to throw us a bone with this piece. Interesting, especially since Dalmia hasn’t published a single thing in the past week.

  27. Somebody make sure Robby reads this.

  28. Arguably, a Nazi did show up for the very first act of anti-Nazi direct action of the Trump era, when avowed racist Richard Spencer was violently attacked the day after the new president took office.

    Not all racists are nazis. He’s an ethnostate guy, but an ethnostate does not national socialism make.

    1. So he’s just a white enthusiast?

    2. “Arguably”

  29. Unlike some college administrations, UC-Berkeley administration supported Yiannopoulos’s right to speak?the attack came from outside.

    And campus police cowered indoors.

  30. You’ve been missed, 2chili.

  31. “Become”? US progressivism (foremost its ideas about eugenics, inequality, class, community, and propaganda methods) was the origin of European fascist movements in the early 20th century. (Their ambiguous relationship to socialism and left-wing ideologies is also quite traditional, as the term “national socialism” itself suggests.)

    This is simply history repeating itself.

  32. As much as it pains me to say something like this, perhaps this is a good time to practice hating the sin and loving the sinner. Saying that so-and-so is awful because he’s a racist, or a Nazi, or a whatever, implies that there’s no way to change that person’s opinion. A frog is a frog and always will be a frog; no amount of reasoned debate or civil discussion will persuade the frog to be something else.

    When you fail to make the distinction between a person’s views on a given topic and the person themselves you feed into the factionalism and identity politics that have poisoned our civil society; by branding someone (or yourself) as a believer, rather than a person who believes, you throw away all of the other parts that make humans worthwhile and capable of change and growth. It’s markedly easier to sucker-punch, or pepper spray, or even murder a caricature than a person.

    1. This right here is why good libertarian reporting is a challenge. Because of the tribal nature of the way humans think, characterization by caricature, and assembling people into larger groups than the individual to explain their actions is a very normal thing to do. However, it, like Tuccille seems to imply, doesn’t respect the individual as an individual, but denies the individual their own agency. And once you have denied an individual human their agency, it is much easier to think of them as a “thing” or an “other” or an ” dire enemy”, and to follow up on woodchipper’s point, then to justify violence against that person. And if you are using emotional reasoning, rather than cold hard logic, it is extremely easy to conflate a person’s views with that person, and thereby deny them the agency they have to learn and perhaps change their views.

  33. The difference between the pro-socialist/communist left and the Nazis has always been slight. The Left has been slightly more adept at hiding their racism amd antisemitism. The Nazis had slightly better symbolism, just from a design point of view (the Che silhouette is great design, but overall the Nazis had better graphic art). The Nazis pull ahead in the “people imagine being ravished by” competition, and the Left gets more points in the “hiding in plain sight” contest.

    Both are the societal equivalent of duckweed or poison ivy or kudzu…or some horrible mutated hybred of all three.

    1. The Nazis had cool uniforms too.

    2. Those Hugo Boss uniforms look mighty sharp.

    3. The difference between the pro-socialist/communist left and the Nazis has always been slight. The Left has been slightly more adept at hiding their racism amd antisemitism.

      The difference is fairly simple actually: both communism and fascism are all about grievances of specific groups, but for communists it’s “the working class across all nations” while for fascists it’s “the working+middle class within a nation”.

      1. I always thought it was communists believe the best economic system is one where the state owns the means of production and private property beyond trivial personal effects is abolished. While, in fascists countries property is nominally privately owned but subject to the needs and planning of the state. Both are forms of socialism where production and society is directed by the state.

        1. Or, to put it another way, Socialists believe that an economy based on fear is superior to one based on greed.

          1. Well, I don’t know what they believe, but in practice, socialist societies have both fear and greed in abundance.

          2. Yes. International and national socialists alike believe in fear backed by the cowardly initiation of overwhelming force. Lucky for us they picked on folks like Johnny Von Neumann, Edward Teller, Richard Feynman, who assembled statebuster weapons suitable mainly for burning out nests of looter politicians. Not as good as the arena designed by Eric Marie Remarque, where soldiers watch archbishops and field-marshals them kill each other, but that was fiction.

        2. It’s unclear whether that’s a significant distinction. Fascists generally also advocate the nationalization of large industries, and even if private owners nominally remain, they act little different from communist party members running large factories in communist countries.

      2. That may be the difference in theory, but in practice it can be awfully hard to tell.

        Communists GENERALLY persecute certain social classes, wheras Nazis GENERALLY persecute certain ethnic groups, but after the first hundred thousand murders its all barbarism.

        1. Sure. I’m just saying that those are the prototypes, and they really don’t differ much even in their pure forms.

  34. I logged on again today resigning myself to reading the shit Reason has been posting lately and I find this gem. You’re awesome J.D. Tucille. More writers like this please!

    1. Yes, the writing is delightful and the embedded links are illustrative and germane. To a non-totalitarian, stalinistas and hitlerites are mainly distinguishable by signs and decorations they wear, like little instruments of torture, baseball caps, etc. It is lucky for us they hate each other and believe in aggression, while anyone off their one-dimensional line is as good as invisible. Once they’re gone it’ll be easier to repeal moronic laws.

  35. 2-Chilli knocks it out of the park.

  36. JD — I saw an 80s SPY magazine where yer old man Jerome was in a Naked City piece on Trump’s bookstore in Trump Towers!

    They referred to yer Pop’s bio on Real Estate Baron Trump as a “hard-hitting gusher.”

    Hahawhaw!

  37. Speaking of the intolerant left, I got into it on derpbook last night with some of them. There is this meme floating around that says something like “Replace ‘Muslim’ with ‘Jew’ and see if you sound like a Nazi”. I commented something along the lines of: “Interesting. Muslims DO sound like Nazi’s when talking about Jews. (…and homosexuals…)”. It immediately devolved into people calling me a Klan member. I could not parody these people even if I tried to.

    1. I just link to articles about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and his close personal friendship with Hitler, as well as articles on the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood. It drives them crazy, because a lot of what is actively wrong with the Middle East today results from the manner in which Arab rulers kept control during the 60s era of nationalism in the Middle East, by turning closer to religion and using it as an opiate of the masses.

      1. Yes, the Grand Mufti was a staunch Nazi ally. Hitler had no use for any religion, but consider Islam better than Christianity because of its doctrine of jihad. Muslims weren’t. and aren’t, peace-loving as a religion.

    2. There is this meme floating around that says something like “Replace ‘Muslim’ with ‘Jew’ and see if you sound like a Nazi”

      How about these memes?

      “Replace ‘privileged white male’ with ‘Jew’ and see if you sound like a Nazi”

      “Replace ‘the 1%’ with ‘Jew’ and see if you sound like a Nazi”

  38. the right-wing mob supporting radical demagogue Gavin McInnes

    Yeah this is totally different than Shikha and Robby.

    1. The very next sentences:

      Well, that’s how they imagine it in their fever dreams, anyway. In reality, the Nazis didn’t show up and the protesters themselves were the only totalitarians in sight.

      1. Woah, you can’t expect people to read before they react.

        1. nope, i read the whole thing, and Kbolino’s “next sentence” was talking about their Nazi-battle-fantasy, not the characters of McInnes and Milo, who the people @ Reason still can’t seem to mention in passing without spitting on.

          1. He’s clearly referring to their fever dreams being that perception.

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  42. There were members of the communist youth battlers who switched to join the SA.

    1. Altruists will be altruists…

  43. A key weapon of both the Fascists and the Nazis (and also other fascistic groups such as the Iron Guard in Romania and the Falange in Spain) is the availability of street mobs to attack the enemy, Modern liberals have learned the same trick.

  44. The cause of the problem – which you fail to address – is that Nazi is NOT right-wing but left-wing. So you perpetuate the problem of false news.

    The Germany Nazi party’s full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei – which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    Socialists hate the fact that the Nazi party was a National Socialist party with the same strong gun control agenda, same strong social programs, same government control of education, and the same emphasis on government jobs and worker’s rights as modern socialists.

    There’s also the same brownshirt violence against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda (history calls it brownshirt violence because they dressed in brownshirts to easily identify attackers from their victims, today they’re masked and dressed in black). So Socialists frequently lie by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually left-wing and socialist.

    1. Yes, the Ladies Home Journal identified Hitler as a leftie looter in “Homemaking under Hitler”. But the LHJ were fervent prohibitionist christianofascists, struggling to distance themselves from the foreign dictator. The next step is to realize that the NSDAP platform (and Enabling Act speech) contain appeals seductive to mystics who believe a Jesus existed. Nevermind he never wrote a word, nor appears in any records for close to two centuries. The apocryphal sermon on the mount taken to task in Galt’s speech is everywhere in Nazi ideology, but not in the equally altruistic and just as faith-based communist ideology. It’s the ONLY significant difference, and the difference is graphically illustrated at nobeliefs.com
      Restricting the universe of discourse solely to looter altruist dictatorships is the only way to fool people into thinking a left-right line represents reality.

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  47. Unlike some college administrations, UC-Berkeley administration supported Yiannopoulos’s right to speak?the attack came from outside.

    It’s my understanding that the administration told the cops to stand down. If that’s the case, then slashing funding is entirely appropriate – at least until the entire administration is fired and replaced. What they should have told the cops was to arrest the violent demonstrators.

  48. I’ll I have got to say is if any one of these little piss ant, cowardly face mask wearing, commies punch me first, they better make it good and knock me out (which we all know won’t happen, they can’t knock out a fly) because if they don’t knock me out I’ll be putting them on a ambulance stretcher or sending them to the morgue. That is what needs to happen, they punch first, be merciless, kick their fucking intolerant, snowflake asses hard. Same for any punk piece of shit who smashes private property, beat the fucking hell out of them. They need their asses kicked, I am totally advocating defensive violence, when you commit it, make sure they won’t be able to get up again.

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  50. Delightful read, but Tucille is describing the situation I remember. It was when Reagan’s party kicked sand in little Jimmy’s party’s face. But the reaction is now another British-American rapprochement. As Orwell explained it, those who, like 1940s Englishmen, consider “Communism and Fascism to be THE SAME THING invariably hold that both are monstrous evils which must be fought to the death.” Now I see that fascism is religious socialism, whereas communism chooses other, less religious totems. If you just add water to fascism you get the Republican platform. The Democrat platform is simply watered-down communism. Freed of the distraction of tens of thousands of hydrogen bombs, the line in the sand is now clear and I am not in the market for Republican/fascism or Democratic/communism–never again. Politics in 1972 gained a dimension. It makes more plane sense than viewed as a line stretshing from Hitler to Stalin.

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