Los Angeles Moves to Decriminalize Sidewalk Vending
Fear of an immigration crackdown sparks local action.


I'll say one thing for Donald Trump's executive orders on immigration: They've spurred some welcome reactions at the more local levels of government. Los Angeles has a history of hitting unlicensed sidewalk vendors with criminal charges. But yesterday, not wanting the proprietors of tamale carts or T-shirt stands to be deported for their misdemeanors, the city council voted to draft an ordinance to decriminalize such enterprises.
Emily Alpert Reyes explains in the Los Angeles Times:
City attorneys will now draw up new rules that would strip those criminal penalties and authorize the city to eventually issue vending permits, a first step toward legalization….In the meantime, vendors who ply their trade on city sidewalks could still be cited and fined for violating the municipal code, but they would not face criminal convictions.
Lawyers are also supposed to report back on whether the city can offer amnesty to vendors already facing criminal charges. Though lesser citations are much more common, city prosecutors filed misdemeanor charges for sidewalk vending in more than two dozen cases between October 2015 and October 2016, according to the city attorney's office.
Obviously, that's good news if you're facing such charges, especially if you're running the risk of deportation. But it's also good news for any Angelenos who want to launch one of these micro-businesses, regardless of their immigration status. And it's good news for consumers, who will have more and cheaper choices. It may not be the taco truck on every corner that we were promised, but I'll take it.
Bonus video: The Battle of the Bacon Dogs.
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food (hand) trucks?
... is the reason we all know starting to come back from the brink?
The brink of what?
It's been getting pretty dark around here, man. Haven't you seen all those articles mocking that mentally challenged guy? What's his name? Drumpf or something?
Reason Strong!
Yeah that is kind of cruel. But it has been heartening to see the mentally handicapped community in the comments section rally to his defense.
It's sort of cute, as long as you don't get too close.
Tulpa weeps.
*salivates at thought of food carts*
"For when he saw there were no more pleasures to trample, Tulpa wept."
+1 phalanx marching home
There's hope: but JW still had to get the first sentence in.
Scans article... nope. It's still about immigration.
Actually it's about illegal immigration, but we aren't about to stop using euphemisms now.
So the question is, if someone does the right thing for the "wrong" reason, is it still good?
I'd argue yes, as that is the entire basis upon which capitalism is based ("I enrich myself by providing things other people want to pay me for" as opposed to unalloyed altruism.)
Well, I would argue that there is nothing wrong about wanting to enrich yourself absent the use of force. But yes, I guess we would agree that results are what matter.
"Doing the right thing" being the peacable transaction and accumulation.
As in good means resulting in good ends from questionable intentions.
I guess I'm having a hard time articulating my thoughts.
Yes, it's good. But never forget that broken clock is right twice a day, and those who make the right choices for the wrong reasons are still unethical.
A broken digital clock is never right.
Hmm. Maybe that's why the media went to shit. Digital television replaced analog. Newspapers and magazines went digital.
BRING BACK ANALOG!
exactly
Nah.
That's why, instead of my usual attempts at discourse and rational analysis (hey, I'm not promising that I succeed at it), I've devolved to mostly just shitposting. Reason supplies us hyperbolic shit articles full of unprincipled proggy talking points instead of libertarian analysis, we supply only shitposting. Seems fair.
Yeah, especially since Reason writers get paid based on comment quality.
You don't suppose that a thriving commentariat full of clever people is a draw? I don't even read some of the articles because of the autistic screeching in them.
Then you have to consider people new to Reason who might venture down here to see what we think about the articles. Used to be they might find a healthy argument going. Lately it's just shitpost city. How do you think that might affect revenue if someone doesn't like the articles and they don't like the community?
It's Tulpa.
Is "it" the right pronoun for Tulpa?
You don't suppose that a thriving commentariat full of clever people is a draw?
Here? I think the answer is clearly no.
Aw, man... Now I want a danger dog.
Also, Tulpa hit hardest.
DAMMIT!
My god, now everybody is going to die of food poisoning. Wouldn't deportation be better than death?!?!?!
there is no such thing as a micro-business, reason. It is just a business.
I'm free to do business with whoever the hell I want, just because the city frowns upon street venders doesn't mean they arn't legitimate.
Or when the statists are involved, I can only do business with their approved minions
there is no such thing as a micro-business, reason. It is just a business.
If it fits in a cart, it's micro.
My business fits on a USB drive
Does that make it a nano-business, or just a business?
Does that make it a nano-business
Just don't call it a cyber-business.
Agh...penis joke...must. resist. making...
"My business is giving YOU the business. And business... is booming."
He's got a point Jesse reason. Please remove the line from your post where you assert that businesses are only legitimate if they are approved by the city.
Obviously, that's good news if you're facing such charges, especially if you're running the risk of deportation.
Is "Unauthorized food carting" on the list with murder, rape, manslaughter, grand theft, etc?
For everyone who came to our motley band in the last two years or so, the references to Tulpa in this thread are because this ostensible defender of "liberty" had a pathological hatred for feeding homeless people and food trucks cluttering up his orderly communities.
Had? If only. Tulpa still haunts our very souls.
Shut up, Tulpa.
GOD I HATE HTE FUCKING HOMELESS PEOIPLE AND THEIR FOOD TRUCKS CLUTTERING UP MY ORDERLY COMMUNITIES. NEEDA SHIP EM ALL BACK HOME WHERE THEY BELONG (AFTER THE WALL IS BUILT OF COURSE) AND UNTIL THEN CHECK OUT MY DUNGEON IT'S SO KOOL !!!11!!!11111111!!!!
Little fascists looking at the big fascist and saying, "We're not that fascist and we can prove it!" And eventually, when the big fascist floats a new shiny piece of fascism in front of the masses, the little fascists will go back to being just as fascist in their little fascistdoms as they were before, to the local praise of the "fascist busters" who are now fixated on the new shiny fascism.
And that's how you dissect that.
I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.
It's that buzzword "fascism" that seems to mean whatever people need it to when they hate someone else.
Fascists.
No fascist, no fascist. You're the fascist!
I am tired of you fascists fascisting this comments section up!
Fascist you, you fascist motherfascist!
MABA!
Oh thank god, a food truck article.
...and now I'm hungry. GODDAMMIT REASON.
What did I tell you?
SIDEWALK VENDORS RAPING AND KILLING OUR PEOPLES AND REASON SAYS NO PROBLEM. WELL THEY ARE GONNA DESTROY OUR FINE COUNTRY AND REASON IS RESPONSIBLE. I'M GONNA LEAVE AND NOT COME BACK. OK I'M GOING NOW. BYE BYE. SEE YA. HELLO? OK I'M GOING NOW.
Trump did say he was going to make America great again for small businesses. Delivering campaign promises left and right, I see.
A SIDEWALK VENDOR IS BREAKING THE LAW AND REASON JUST LOOKS AWAY LIKE NOTHING HAPPENING. THESE GUYS ARE RAPING AND KILLING AND THEY'RE WORSE THAN TERRISTS. NOW THEY SAY OK FINE. WELL NOT OK FINE OUR PEOPLE ARE AT RISK AND OUR COUNTRY IS AT WAR. WE'RE AT WAR I'M TELLIN YA. IT'S WAR AND IN A WAR YOU NEED TO ROUND PEOPLE UP AND KILL AND TORTURE THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND REASON JUST SAYS NO PROBLEM. I'M LEAVING AND I'M GONNA LEAVE AND NOT COME BACK. THAT'LL TEACH YA.
....In the meantime, vendors who ply their trade on city sidewalks could still be cited and fined for violating the municipal code, but they would not face criminal convictions.
And what happens if they can't or won't pay the fine? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?
They go to see if the person is dwelling in one of those Tiny Houses that one guy is building for the homeless and they take that too?
Immigration violations are crimes too. I guess police will just have to have probable cause for immigration arrests but not for most other stops because of lefty policies.
ARE COUNTRY IS BEING OVERRUN WITH ILLEGAL SIDEWALK VENDORS AND VOTING FELLONS. TRUMP MAN YOU GOTTA FIX THIS BEFORE WE GIVE EM EVEN MORE GENEROUS BENEFITS AND SOCIAL SERVICES AND EXPLOIT THEM FOR MORE CHEAP LABOR BECUASE WE JUST CAN'T HELP OURSELVES IT'S WHAT WE DO. THEY'RE GONNA DESTROY US I'M TELLIN YA. NEEDA ROUND EM UP AND SHIP EM BACK HOME AFTER THE WALL IS BUIILT.
Anyone know this site?
Being Liberatarian
No comment as I've not had time to check it out.
Sounds hellish.
It that the one where a werewolf, a ghost, a vampire and a libertarian all share a house?
I remember that one, the libertarian was a woman. I just couldn't get past the unrealistic characters.
I tried reading some of it and it made my head hurt. Didn't seem very libertarian to me. Seemed more like a leftist parody.
Funny, I lived near LA, not actually in LA, when I was a kid, for 5 years. Sidewalk vending must have been totally legal back then because there were Mexican food cart vendors on every other street corner, which was a wonderful thing. Best enchiladas ever.
It's past time to deport Addiction Myth. Preferably to some place with a wall. Or four. Lined with rubber.
AM says he looks forward to watching your mental health commissioner beg to be fed feet first into a wood chipper. 🙂
Why? He's already stuck in his basement in Dogdick with Tony. They can't come out because of the blockade by the Christian Tealiban and the Redhat Trumpkins waiting outside.
From what I understand, Trump hates the handicapped. That's probably why AM emits so much autistic screeching. Deporting him is inevitable, since Trump's a fascist. I suspect that he's got a manufacturing plant beneath Trump tower that is churning out cattle cars as we speak.
They have the classiest of train cars.
OT
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2014: Maryland State Po-Po purchase ten AW139s.
2017: Maryland State Po-Po ground their fleet of AW139s due to same problems outlined in 2011 air worthiness directives.
Government!
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You expected someone to read about the airworthiness of craft they were going to spend taxpayer money on?!?!
YOU MONSTER!!!
So Trump's actions result in a net increase of liberty?
MAGA
Rereading it all, I think LA realized that charging these vendors with a crime cost money, but fining them made money. Being perpetually broke, they went with the revenue option.
A tamale tax
"Taxmale"
sounds like a Tumblr gender.
Tumblr is a gender now? I'm losing track of all of them now. I think I first started losing track at the otherkin. Does TDS cause alzheimer's? We need some science up in this bitch.
I don't think a discussion of climate would help the gener confusion.
My pronouns are "fuck you, cut spending."
Trump may have the same opportunity Obama had - if you know they're going to attack and demand the complete opposite of everything you propose simply because you're the one proposing it, Trump should propose raising taxes, increasing spending, doubling the amount of regulation, free college for everybody, tighter gun laws, the whole schmear.
Yeah, the reaction of the left sheeples would be amusing. But behind the scenes, Trump, Schumer, and McCain would be busy forming an axis of evul that would make Hitler's 3rd Reich look like the Girl Scouts.
For a moment I thought they were going to allow people to engage in commerce without asking permission and obeying orders. But no. They're still going to face penalties for failing to ask permission and obey orders. Just not criminal penalties. Because as we all know, if a business doesn't ask permission and obey orders, then it will kill its customers. Everyone knows this.
That's Trump for you-
HE MAKES THINGS HAPPEN.
WELCOME TO NEW SOMALIA MAKE YOURSELVES COMFORTABLE WE MIGHT BE HERE A WHILE.
good. should make the ICE round-ups that much simpler.