Chelsea Manning

Chelsea Manning Gets Obama's Mercy, Will Be Freed in May

Another round of commutations announced, but one will dominate the news.

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Chelsea Manning

Today's list of commutations from President Barack Obama just days before leaving office includes 209 reductions and 64 pardons. One of them is going to get the most attention: Chelsea Manning.

Manning, formerly Bradley Manning, is in military prison for leaking reams of military documents related to the Iraq War. She has served almost 7 years in prison and came out as transgender, attempting to transition to life as a female. It's been a struggle for her and she has attempted suicide twice.

Today President Barack Obama decided that she didn't need to serve 35 years to repent for her crimes. He has reduced her sentence. She will be released in May.

Nick Gillespie was a skeptic of the likelihood this morning (as I have been in the past), so color me happily surprised. The Obama administration will be known for its attempts to use the law to punish and imprison leakers and whistleblowers. That the president showed any concern at all for Manning's fate is a surprise, though you do have to wonder if he would have extended such a mercy if she weren't struggling to deal with her transgender shift in a military that still doesn't know what to do about it. Via The New York Times:

In recent days, the White House had signaled that Mr. Obama was seriously considering granting Ms. Manning's commutation application, in contrast to a pardon application submitted on behalf of the other large-scale leaker of the era, Edward J. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who disclosed archives of top secret surveillance files and is living as a fugitive in Russia.

Asked about the two clemency applications on Friday, the White House spokesman, Joshua Earnest, discussed the "pretty stark difference" between Ms. Manning's case for mercy with Mr. Snowden's. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were "some important differences."

"Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing," he said. "Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.

So Gillespie wasn't entirely wrong this morning. It doesn't seem like we'll be seeing any efforts to pardon Snowden in Obama's last days. As an aside: Isn't it grotesque to attempt to tie Snowden to the Russian hacking and releasing of Democratic National Committee information? How absolutely shameless.

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  1. “Nick Gillespie was a skeptic of the likelihood this morning (as I have been in the past), so color me happily surprised. ”

    Didn’t Nick Gillespie predict that Hillary would win the election?

    Of course, I assumed as much myself.

    1. Is he skeptical of her identity? If so, we gonna do some riotin tonight.

      1. Are you referring to Pussy Riot? They received an appropriate sentence and served their time. As will the rebellious traitor who fled this country, when Trump secures his return to face justice. Let us also take this occasion to praise local law enforcement personnel across the United States who have hunted down and arrested certain “artists” who have posted fake “NYPD drone” ads, and who written anti-bank slogans on the sidewalk with chalk. Need I remind readers of America’s leading criminal “satire” case? The “First Amendment dissent” of a single, isolated judge regarding that matter is highly unpresidented, and should be banned from libraries everywhere in this nation. See documentation at:

        http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

        1. An unfortunate typo in my comment above: and who have written anti-bank slogans…

        2. 5/10. You had me until about the halfway mark.

          1. You must be speaking satirically, because I don’t understand your comment. Surely you are not defending the “First Amendment dissent” of a single, isolated judge?

            Incidentally, just in case anyone thinks I’m spreading fake news, see, for example:

            http://www.theverge.com/2012/1…..rveillance

        3. Why do you keep doing this?

          1. Because he wants attention.

            1. Rather, to warn against any temptation to read or discuss the inappropriate “First Amendment dissent” of a single, isolated judge in our nation’s leading criminal “satire” case. The so-called “free-speech community” has done well to avoid any little issues raised by such an offensive text, or by our other efforts to limit the “stretch” of the First Amendment, and we should work hard to keep it that way.

              I am returning here rather late and am no longer clear on who is speaking to whom, but I am shocked that a human being as decent as Denver would express even the most tentative form of hypothetical “sympathy” towards a criminal provocateur who threatens polite academic culture by “twisting language” and “stirring up controversy.”

        4. You know, Raphael, you’d get more sympathy here if you’d stop spamming the comments section.

    2. I am happy for Chelsea. This made my day. No props to Obama, though. You don’t get recognition for showing the decency you are supposed to have anyway, like people that shout “I take care of MY kids!”

        1. I don’t want to burden the health care industry, I JERK OFF!

          1. People don’t need a handout, they need a hand job!

            1. look at Sister Flo, doing that hand job with Uncle Joe..

      1. What does Chelsea Clinton have to do with this ?

    3. The important question is: Will manning now marry Maj. Nidal Hasan during a conjugal visit ceremony.

      Please, Reason, say no so we can see the live stream before Christmas?

      1. Hasan already has a wife. He’s a Reform Wahhabist, they only allow an additional wife if she’s 13 or younger.

        1. Manning has been a female for less than 13 years….

          1. Ted S.,

            I do not think that it is necessary for you or any other individual to prompt AA, d404, and/or any other individual (or group).

            Is not popcorn enough for you?

            1. Note that it is very likely that I misunderstood.

          2. “Manning has been a female for less than 13 years….”

            lol

  2. I am happy. It looks like the tax payers will be spared a big bill for this dude’s surgery…

    1. No, that will be billed yo the VA, I expect….

        1. if it gets approved……Its nice people can get sex changes yet getting the VA to read Veterans medical record to actually give an accurate rating of disability required years of bullshit and hiring an attorney to file appeals. All because VA raters are never held accountable and can just deny claims to troll injured vets.

          The BVA or whatever it was for the first level of appeals according to one attorney has a 90% approval rating and there are further appeal levels too. So >90% of all claims get approved because VA just flat out denies them because they can but a cuck like this get might get a total bullshit surgery.

          Granted, I would be damned to let the VA put a scalpel to my body.

          1. Now wait. Is he a cuck (that’s still a thing?), a transdude, a womyn, or a cucksocker, or what?

            It’s all very confusing.

            1. you tell me….i dont speak derpology or whatever

        2. He will still get a Bad Conduct discharge or dishonorable discharge will not entitled him to veteran benefits.

          1. those can be protested and removed. Also if he gets pardon those should be wiped i would think. Maybe not.

            Any source material on that?

            If you didn;t know though you can request to get a discharge bumped up so dishonorable to general other and general other to honorable.

            I don’t recall the specifics but i recall people doing that. This usually related to drug discharges for drug pops or kicked out for too many NJPs/ admin separations.

            1. Dishonorables are not easy to remove, unlike the other levels.

              Very few people get dishonorables, though. A BCD is a lot easier to get bumped up.

              1. i’ll take your word for it. I only heard about this stuff in passing from admin clerks, dumbasses who got in trouble, and various mandatory classes.

            2. The ,title turd doesn’t deserve an honorable discharge or benefits. Especially to pay for this tranny shit.

            3. Not a pardon, a commutation.

            4. A pardon might get him the benefits.
              But he didn’t get a pardon, he got a commutation.

          2. He was not pardoned, he only had his sentence reduced.

            He was given a dishonorable discharge, and that still stands, so he is not eligible for any veterans benefits.

        3. Friend of mine is a psychiatrist with the VA. He also happens to be a recognized expert on gender dysphoria.

          Word is this will be covered by the VA.

    2. It looks like the tax payers will be spared a big bill for *this* dude’s surgery…

      Let’s not forget that now, any poor gender-confused soul can join up, get access to, and, apparently, ‘leak’ with diminished consequence.

      1. I hope our entire military is composed of trannies. Go ISis.

        1. If ISIS were transgender, then we’d be trying to get them statehood.

        2. no but its filled with lots of gay shits who make people stand naked in the rain for fun while platoons walk by going eyes right in marching formation. Or make people go nut to butt in the showers going in a line from shower to shower and do all sorts of gay exercises naked in the showers.

          fuck that place is weird.

          1. Congress?

            1. wouldn’t surprise me but this was in the DOD in an unnameable department.

              1. When I was in the army I never had to, or even heard of soldiers standing in the rain naked. Are you sure that isn’t the army, but maybe gay porn, in an army setting?

                1. it was the bastard of all of them….think not very heard to guess

                  1. Air Force chef MOS school?

                    1. read my other posts its easy to figure out lol

                2. That reminds me, how can one translate a massive VHS collection of very specific movies to digital? Asking for a friend.

                  1. you mean convert? Like taking a VHS tape to digital?

                    http://tinyurl.com/hbnd3xk

                    there are various products. I never used one so i have no idea whats a good product so check out reviews.

                    Have fun with your vintage porn 😉

  3. In what way is Russia an adversary? Are we at war with them now?

    1. Never mind that had Edward Snowden probably wouldn’t have survived long enough to go through the same process given the outright lies levied against the evidence he presented and unequivocal threats leveled at him.

      1. Also, didn’t Manning leak to Wikileaks? Isn’t Wikileaks a Russian puppet and/or haven’t we just as effectively declared war on Wikileaks?

        1. Leaks are only bad when they disclose dirt on the DNC.

    2. We are trying to start a war against the other massively bankrupt superpower on the planet instead if sitting back and letting them bankrupt themselves. We are as stupid as the squirrel says.

      1. The media act all aghast at Trump’s every brain-fart; meanwhile Obama-whoppers like this get a shrug.

    3. We’ve always been at war with Russia.

      1. East Russia to boot, what with the shedding of the USSR’s Ukraine, Belorus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia.

      2. Damnit, Paul!

    4. The entire history of our conflict is laid out in Bond movies 4-25.

      1. Okay, how so in For Your Eyes Only?

        1. Who cares? It has a submarine car!

          1. Which was probably built by Russians!

            Are to you seeing a pattern?

          2. That was The Spy Who Loved Me.

          3. The submarine car was in The Spy Who Loved Me. Barbara Bach’s character mentions that she stole the plans for the car a year earlier.

        2. “That’s d?tente, comrade; *You* don’t have it, *I* don’t have it.”

    5. Team Blue declared political war on them to save face for their own failures.

    6. We’ve always been at war with Oceania

  4. So is Manning the only leaker of military secrets to get their sentence reduced or do non transgenders get that too.

    And is he going to get a military related disability so he can get the taxpayers to continue to pay for his elected surgery and other treatments

    1. From what I read he is getting a dishonorable discharge, so he shouldn’t be eligible for any benefits. I suspect that some gender activist or left-leaning group will foot the bill for his surgery.

      1. Hillary Clinton got a pass as well, I hear..

        1. Oh yeah? Well were NOT paying for her surgery either!

  5. If Snowden was part of a ‘hip’ group on the Pyramid of Victimhood he would have also received a pardon. The best thing that Manning did for himself was to identify as transgender. There’s still time for Snowden to announce he’s gay and get a pardon.

    1. that ship has sailed. have you seen pix of the girl friend he left behind? holy shit.

      1. She’s probably lonely right about now.

        1. She lives with him now, last I heard.

      2. Yeah, and the Ruskies aren’t exactly overly freindly with guys on the *sly.

        *I’ve always liked that slang term for gay men. It just sounds cool. Thanks for that, Firefly.

        1. It’s okay for foreigners to be extravagant in Russia. Though Guy Burgess didn’t like it very much in the ’60s.

          1. *skims wiki page*

            Ah, didn’t know that.

            That’s why I love you people. I always learn stuff here.

        2. +1 Chinese curse word

    2. “The best thing that Manning did for himself was to identify as transgender.”

      Much better strategy than deserting in the face of the enemy like that other dude… so far, anyway. Obama still has a couple of days left to rectify that injustice. And judging by his mom’s expression in their Rose Garden performance, she’d probably be… grateful for His Presidential Magnanimity.

    3. Yeah, why doesn’t snowden just report for a couple of years of torture? I wonder….

  6. I’ve been lost in the Peruvian rain forest for the last 10 years.

    Are you telling me that fine little phily used to be a guy?

    1. You bring us back any of the good shit that you are on?

  7. Trans privilege.

    1. Fundamental Trans Formation.

    2. Transformers: Leakers in Disguise?

  8. Wait, why would Obama commute the sentence of the Wikileaks’ conspirator after blaming them for Hillary’s loss and calling them a threat to our security????

    1. Dang, beat me to it.

    2. Because releasing military secrets is really no big deal.

      However, embarrassing the DNC is solid grounds for starting WWIII.

    3. Because…look, a diversion!

    4. David Burge ?@iowahawkblog 3h3 hours ago
      Hacker’s pre-check list before sending information to Wikileaks:
      OK: US battlefield comms on troop strength and position
      Treason: DNC emails

      David Burge ?@iowahawkblog 4h4 hours ago
      David Burge Retweeted The New York Times
      Hey errbody, it’s Handing-Classified-Secrets-To- Wikileaks-And-Russian-Spies-Is-Suddenly-Okay-Again Tuesday

  9. Snowden should come out as Transgender.

    1. He should come out as pro-Trump. Trump loves people who say nice things about him. He would be pardoned by the end of the month.

      1. Interesting point.
        He would have to do it like a chess game, not so obviously, but so many steps removed as to obscure it from Trump’s smaller mind.
        It would have to somehow couch his status as a pro Trump scenario, or someway that otherwise validates Trump as a highly effective individual.
        That would play well.

    2. than people would give a shit :/

      Society is screwed. Snowden leaked good stuff in an intelligent manner and gets screwed. This cuck does it in a retarded way and gets commuted all because he is some fringe mental reject.

      I am glad he leaked everything…it was needed but man this kid is stupid.

  10. It will be hilarious if Trump grants Snowden a pardon shortly after taking office. But really the most important difference is that Manning’s leaks made Bush look bad, and Snowden’s leaks made Obama look bad.

    1. That won’t happen. The incoming Trump administration doesn’t seem to be chock-a-bloc with people wanting to reduce the surveillance state.

      1. It would be a huge middle finger to the intelligence community, though, and Trump is already pissed at them over all of the leaks.

    2. Personally, I think it’s that Snowden embarrassed Obama.

      1. “… and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

        Yep. Snowden’s goose is cooked as far as Obama goes, messing with his legacy like that and all.

      2. “… and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

        Yep. Snowden’s goose is cooked as far as Obama goes, messing with his legacy like that and all.

    3. Actually, Manning’s “leaks” of nearly half a million documents endangered American troops, diplomats, etc. He is a traitor, a criminal, a worthless human being who was lucky to have received only 35 years.

  11. “How absolutely shameless.”

    Exactly, and therefore expected.

    1. The Obama administration will be known for its attempts to use the law to punish and imprison leakers and whistleblowers. That the president showed any concern at all for Manning’s fate is a surprise, though you do have to wonder if he would have extended such a mercy if she weren’t struggling to deal with her transgender shift in a military that still doesn’t know what to do about it.

      It’s a feigned ignorance. Writers, audiences, narratives it’s all a bit technical, but the key thing is, the future of liberty and libertarianism is secure.

  12. so color me happily surprised

    So that makes you (dons sunglasses) …. a man of color?

    1. Everyone knows that the color of happiness is white.

      1. Everyone knows that the color of happiness is white.

        I have it upon good authority that white is not a color, JB.

        However, if you want to fall asleep reading something on your mobile device one day or night, I have just the thing .

        Alternately, if you want to (and I think it’s a bad idea) to know what mental voice I was thinking in when typing ” I have just the thing.”, therein lies the link.

        As an additional attempt to illustrate and perhaps inadvertently irritate readers today, the voice I was thinking in when I typed “…and I think it’s a bad idea….” was that of the Preacher in Mel Brook’s Blazing Saddles.

        Now, JB, if you or any other commentator wants to respond to a serious question I intend to ask about a singular comment I made here on H&R a few times in the past, please inform me.
        Of course, I’ll accept serious responses in addition to non-serious ones.

        1. “white is not a color”

          Crayola begs to differ. It’s the best and most important color hence the term “white balance” which is how all other colors are judged (although technically camera light meters are set to expose for 18% grey but lets not get all pedantic about it.)

          I’m worried about the mental voices that you hear in your head. I want you to start hearing Charles voice from now on.

          As, far as your question goes, fire away (but not in that crazy way that people that hear voices sometimes do)

          1. JB,

            As, far as your question goes, fire away….

            Thanks. I hope to ask you later.

            1. Well you know where to find me:)

              1. *reads conversation between Charles and JB*

                *unzips*

  13. Here’s to The Artist Formerly Known As Bradley Manning!

  14. 2016 Chelsea Manning, “I’m just a girl”

    2017 Chelsea Manning, “Glad that’s over. Seriously, you can start calling me Bradley again.”

    1. If it were all an act for sympathy, that was about the worst thing to have chosen for someone headed to prison. Whether you fall on the side of the fence that transgenderism is to be normalized or to be treated as a mental illness, it’s probably not a ploy, especially under those circumstances.

      It’s an irony that someone most in need of some serious balls doesn’t want them.

      1. Is it possible that someone weak placed in a violent atmosphere may psychologically react in an extreme manner.

        1. I’m not stating an opinion, I’m just throwing that out there

      2. The liberal freakout would be funny though.

        PS. I don’t have a position on transgenderism.

        1. “Transition regret” is a thing, but it’s really fucking rare. Transitioning, even if you don’t do it medically, just with clothes, make-up and voice-training, is really challenging and difficult. Doing it while in prison? That’s the sort of thing that gets folks killed. And if it doesn’t, it often gets you in solitary (which if done long enough is indistinguishable from torture). So doing it just as a ploy for sympathy?

          I’m not going to say it’s impossible, but it’s unlikely enough that, lacking some serious evidence, it’s not worth the consideration.

          1. Depending on the prison, it may get you isolated in a wing with the really old dudes. So you may well be safer. I’m not saying that’s what happened here.

          2. Doing it while in prison? That’s the sort of thing that gets folks killed.

            Uh, there’s plenty of indication that this is the point.

            Not to pass too much judgement, but Manning wasn’t exactly living the high life before joining up and didn’t exactly demonstrate either the technical expertise or whatever-savviness required for a military career before leaking the documents he did.

            Your assertion that he’s earnest about his transition assumes a spine that is as yet undetected. However, by the same token, the notion that he’s psychologically intact enough to pull the new progressive switcheroo is highly dubious as well. More likely* it’s straight up victim until his demise.

            *I could be wrong.

            1. I will also add this to who’s article I linked to in my selected quotes: “Few if any articles that I’ve written produced as much backlash as … my reporting on the oppressive and inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning’s detention, the first time that story was reported. The anger at my article primarily came not from right-wing venues but from the hardest-core Obama supporters, who (as they always do since 20 January 2009) reflexively defended the US government. Led by former Obama campaign press aide and now MSNBC contributor (the ultimate redundancy) Joy Reid, these particularly fanatical Democratic partisans literally adopted the anti-Manning rhetoric from the further right-wing precincts and repudiated the liberal tradition of defending whistleblowers and opposing oppressive detention conditions – all in order to insist that Manning was being treated exactly how he should be (this warped reaction was far from unanimous, as many progressives protested Manning’s treatment).”

              Once again, all emphasis is mine.

              Being primarily of an independent mindset, I noted similar shifts in attitude among self-described Republicans/Conservatives when President George W. Bush often conducted himself in similar fashion to a lifelong Democrat. During those years I was called various names – Liberal, “Terrist” Sympathizer, et cetera. These past eight years the labels have changed along with the new administration – Racist and terms akin to “Rethuglican”, are easiest to recall.

            2. does not surprise me at all. Marine Corps can get away with just about anything. 2MARDIV has gone to great lengths to appease people to get various deaths of marines ignored.

              I rather not go into large details online but one Marine drank himself to death in the barrack and they burned his 2 roommate (Battalion NJP) because someone had to pay for it. They even held a large funeral in main side where Colonels and maybe a general or two IIRC showed up for some no body PFC/LCPL? To appease people to stop looking into his death and why this one unit was such a nightmare. Like 30 drug pops a year, DUIs, people ripped out of bed and beaten at night, various other beatings and other highly illegal forms of cruelty, Marine ending up in a coma from over work in extreme heat, counter fitting, and several vehicles sinking….more too but i will refrain.

              Marine Corps can pretty much get away with just about anything so this form of torture is not surprising.

              As Mr. robinson says….just another day in the neighborhood.

          3. “It’s really ducking rare.”
            Considering the suicide rate among transitioned people compared to non-transitioned, I kinda doubt that.

    2. , “Glad that’s over. Seriously, you can start calling me Bradley again.”

      If that were actually the outcome? I would credit them with one of the greatest prison escapes since Shawshank Redemption

      “I got the idea watching re-runs of MASH”

      1. Needs that Tony Packo’s.

      2. ++ Maxwell Q. Klinger

  15. So, any bets on Julian Assange allowing himself to be extradited to the US like he offered to in exchange for Manning’s clemency?

    1. Hmm. Juliana Assange. Has a nice ring to it.

      Sure. Why not?

      1. Already has the hair.

        I’ve been thinking Assange is just trying to get ahead of his own forced departure. After all these years, I’m betting Ecuador is tired of him bumming around their consulate eating all their roasted guinea pigs. My theory is that they will give him the BA Baracus treatment to get him on a US military flight.

        1. I pity the fool!

          Well, not really, but I just couldn’t resist throwing out BS’ signature line.

  16. Sorta related. Watched the first couple episodes of “Emerald City” with wife. So one of the main characters was this little boy (guessing 10ish) who was kept prisoner by this old witch who kept supplying him with “life saving” medicine. So he gets away from her but with only a few drops if his medicine. End of first episode he turns into a girl. She gets to some potions dude to look at the few drops he had who informs her that she has always been a girl but the dark elixer had been

    1. making her physically a boy. So now she’s having all the feelz. Thinking the millennials are eating this story line up.

      1. Huh, at ten he either thinks it’s cool that he suddenly has the other parts or is all ‘Ewww, gross cooties’. Course if he’s been imprisoned this whole time there isn’t really a reason for him to care one way or another. Sudden changes are weird, but he’d probably get over the physical changes when compared to all the other things going on.

        Haven’t watched the show, just speculating on realistic reactions.

        1. Not taking it well so far

      2. That would be Princess Ozma. It’s from the original series. Mombi turns her into Tip.

        1. Books! Ha. Pussy.

          /sarc I loved those books, but that was a weird thing

  17. As an aside: Isn’t it grotesque to attempt to tie Snowden to the Russian hacking and releasing of Democratic National Committee information? How absolutely shameless.

    Pfft. Elect a Chicago politician, get Chicago politics. Never understood why so many fawned over Obama.

    Well-spoken, educated, genteel. Normally all good things.

    Well-spoken, educated, genteel + Chicago politician: Red alert!. Con man in a nice suit. DO NOT TRUST.

    1. Well said. I read a synopsis of Barry’s 60 Minutes interview from last weekend, where he said he was still shocked (“shocked, I tell you”) at just how partisan things were in Washington. Makes perfect sense to me…he came up through the Chicago Machine where the only partisanship is about whose pockets get lined first, or maybe between the Streets & San Union and the Teachers’ Union. There is absolutely zero partisanship in the bubble that is Chicago, because it all goes along the party line. What little partisanship exists at the state level is effectively quashed by the Dictator…I mean Speaker…of the House.

  18. For the last time – Manning isn’t a whistleblower in any way, shape, or form.

    Edward Snowden WAS a whistleblower, but he’s an icky white cis shitlord, so he has to stay in exile.

    1. ^^THIS

      That Manning may have released some documents that revealed damning evidence in any way was entirely accidental.

      He/she indiscriminately released massive amounts of data without even an inkling of what was in them.

      35 years was maybe too harsh a sentence, but 7 is too light.

      1. I think 7 is the top end of Goldilox zone for FAILURE TO PLAN, with the punishment for failure so high. I don’t even ‘member, what was the “big reveal” here?

  19. “She has served almost 7 years in prison”

    How do you know that “she” was in prison all this time? Maybe “she” sincerely believed herself to be on a beach in Jamaica.

    1. Was she pretty there?

    2. “Tahiti, it’s a magical place!”

  20. Oh, right, so is Assange now going to submit to extradition to the US? I recall him saying he would if Manning is released…

  21. So Gillespie wasn’t entirely wrong this morning

    It was a good day.

    1. Now I’m yelling “Domino!”

      1. Dammit, now I’m stuck in the NWA toobs.

  22. Really wasn’t expecting Obama to do the right thing in Manning’s case. I’ll give credit where credit is due.

    -jcr

  23. This may sound cruel of me, but frankly i’m glad “she” will be released if only so we can stop hearing bleating sob stories about her suffering.

    1. You think we’re done hearing about it? I don’t.

      1. In the earlier thread i agreed that manning was over-prosecuted and didn’t deserve the ridiculous sentence.

        i just also don’t think he/she/they deserve to be lumped in w/ snowden, or are a particularly sympathetic character. I’m glad they’re going to be released. but beyond that, “best of luck, please don’t follow in the footsteps of George Zimmerman”. They’re just not that interesting.

        1. I agree but I bet Oprah has already called.

          1. I’m sure you’re right

          2. Or Barbara Walters.

            1. Yeah, where in the hell did she come from. I thought she was gone.

  24. FUCK YOU REASON for calling manning a she/female! Don;t humor these twits

    1. you’re like over a year late fella.. You might as well change your handle to BRUCE JENNER IS STILL A DUDE

      1. You mean he’s not?!

        1. No! They used that experimental gene resequencing ray on him. Or magic.

      2. But he is still a dude. Like Rupaul, right?

      3. yea i think he still has a dick and genetically still a dude.

        I have been around since 2011-2012 but never noticed them calling him a she until now. Maybe i skip most of those articles?

        1. Maybe it has something to do with prison talk that one has to learn working in downtown DC?

        2. My point was “everyone knows he’s still a dude” but that you’re never going to change Reason’s mind about the politics of ‘proper pronouns’ via the comments section.

          1. It is virtue signaling all the way down maaaaan.

            1. How do you know xe’s a maaaan? Shitlord.

          2. I get what you mean but comment section is where i go to see an honest critic of Reasons articles.

            I learn more from the comment section and appreciate everyone calling them out on bullshit when they spew it. So i am continuing that with not letting them get away with it. Someone ma read it and be like oh…fair enough.

            There are several commenters i always control F for to see a good critic of the article to see if reason is spot on or out of its mind.

            1. If he’s living as a woman and looks like a woman, who cares? I have no problem with it. At least “female” is a real gender we’re all familiar with and it doesn’t break the English language.

              It’s the 47 indistinguishable made-up genders I have a problem with.

              1. So, you have a problem with me and my Mermicorn friends? I see.

                I’ll see you in court, you bigoted son of a bitch.

                I’ll see you next Tuesday.

                I’ll see you in hell.

                I’ll see you again.

                *pours out a little Corona for the family*

              2. If Otherkin ever become a more widely-accepted phenomena, i am going to lobby strongly for the recognition of “Pimpkin” so that i can thereafter identify as Leroy Hutson c. 1975

                1. I identify as full kryptonian. Under earth’s yellow sun I should have developed a wide variety of super powers. As this has not happened, the government now owes me a superhuman level of disability.

              3. you have a point but we already know he is a dude…why change it in my opinion.

                I get if a already transitioned person gets into the news that no one knows and looks like a chick/dude already.

                It just muddles news with unneeded noise in my opinion.

          3. When in doubt, just use ‘it.’

  25. They spiked the Trump legitimacy piece pretty fast.

    1. Did anyone actually listen to it before it went down? I was waiting on other commentators to summarize it for me.

  26. I applaud the pardon, and I think Chelbrad is a loony shitheel who broke an oath and should not ever have received tax-funded treatment for gender dysphoria. I hope he has enough dignity to shut the fuck up and go away. He probably doesn’t.

    1. In the Selfie Stick, Social Media Outr Age, dignity has been replaced by narcissism. I doubt Manning will prove to be an exception. Prepare yourself.

    2. In the Selfie Stick, Social Media Outr Age, dignity has been replaced by narcissism. I doubt Manning will prove to be an exception. Prepare yourself.

  27. OT: If you wonder where Reason’s audience went, check out the comments here.

    1. All I saw was a link that brought me back to Reason.

      1. ” check out the comments here.” Sorry, forgot a step or two just for you bruddah.

        1. Click here
        2. Don’t click anything else, ever.
        3. Scroll down and read the comments.

        1. I had to click the speech bubble with the ’27’ in it.

          1. I had to click the speech bubble with the ’27’ in it.

            Well that sucks. You are being oppressed. I just had to roll my scroll-omatic wheel.

        2. Commentators on the internetz not pulling any punches?

          Nice weather today.
          Yeah.
          How’ve you been?
          Good.

        3. Huh, so basically the same arguments our own yokels have been making. Which I agree a lot with. A lot of Reason writers remind me of my mother when she was working herself up to becoming a full blown Democrat. Lots and lots of sympathy to everything the blue team is up to and demonizing the red team. Give these guys about five years and we will be seeing articles on other sites about how they used to be libertarians.

          1. We will not have done our job until Robby Soave is complaining in Huffington Post articles about how mean those libertarians are.

            1. I predict the Soave-Weigel wedding will be officiated by Balko on their front page.

        4. ROFL! The future of Reason? At least they have not censored their comments section there. If you want the opinion of a libertarian, click on their story and go straight to comments. Unless it is a Jesse Walker story or a couple of others, you will not find a word from a libertarian in the body of the story.

          WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS OF LIBERTY HERE, SUCK IT, POSTREL.

          Our wretched hive of scum and villainy is the true soapbox of libertarian values! We, the libertarian masses, are the true heirs of Rothbard! We must liberate the production of magazines for the common libertarian! No wait. Forget the last part.

          1. The approximate SUCK IT, POSTREL comment is over here.

            1. Well, shit, that didn’t work so well, or my computer is taking after AJB’s. Look for “Wellspring” and it is a very polite suck it.

        5. Yeah, I’m sure as hell not going to watch two fully clothed women talk for an hour. As far as the comments go, meh, I certainly get annoyed at some of the articles here, and I criticize where I think it’s warranted. But I don’t get the hate at all. All of the stupid shit that goes on totally unreported elsewhere that I find here everyday is a tremendous service to me and I 100% appreciate it. I’ve learned a lot here and the information I’ve received has no doubt helped shape my opinions about all kinds of things. I like most of the writers regardless of whether I agree with them on everything. You have to read between the lines to get to real information no matter what the source is. Why would anyone think that every writer has to be their fucking soul mate. I’ll take this group of writers over the complete idiots they have at HuffPo any day, and I do every day. In short, if I were an electron, I would totally fuck this website.

      2. We’re in a Grounded Vindaloop! Aaaaahhhhh!!!!!

        1. It is good to stay grounded.

        2. I love curry!

    2. Now I have alcohol poisoning.

    3. OK, Steve Esposito is still commenting here, right?

      Prediction: Reason will push and bankroll the LP to endorse a Stein/Sanders 2020 ticket.

    4. OT: If you wonder where Reason’s audience went, check out the comments here.

      I am pretty sure plenty of people complain Reason in the Reason comments.

    5. Richard Warren ? an hour ago

      That magazine lost me a long time ago. Last time I looked the editor was indeed a crypto-liberal out to destroy any electoral common ground with conservatives and converge with oxymoronic “left-libertarians.”. Its future is the future of being another part of the media establishment (although second tier at most) that has become a defacto adjunct of the Democratic Party. Its staff’s modest ambitions will thereby be fulfilled by being in a losing faction of a losing party.

      ok


      Jesse Hand Conroy ? 7 hours ago

      Reason has proved themselves to be anything but

      huh?

      feastfirst ? 8 hours ago

      How is Reason like Gary Johnson?

      They both claim to be libertarian.
      and they both end in “son”

      (prepares to drink bleach)

      JFKY ? 9 hours ago

      It’s future is bleak, especially with Mr Pleather Jacket on the premises……I once had a subscription, yes I’m old, to Reason Magazine, when Postrel was editrix…..Gillespie pretty much turns me off….If he’s fer it, I’m pretty sure it’s a bad ideer & I’m A’gin it!

      Warty?… i … can’t …..

      kgbudge ? 9 hours ago

      Given that, of those editors at Reason who did not endorse the libertarian candidate in 2008, more endorsed Obama than Romney, I’m not sanguine.

      Do they even have the year correct?

      1. Retards on the internet bloviating about a subject they clearly know nothing about? Shocking.

        1. Now I know who Domestic Dissident hangs out with in his spare time.

          1. If we’re against importing refugees, then I’m sure as hell against importing yokels.

            BUILD THE INTERNET COMMENT SECTION FIREWALL!

            1. I’m with HM – we need more cosmos!

                1. Thank you

    6. Didn’t Steve Esposito used to comment here?

      And what do you mean, “went”? Those comments read like a standard thread here nowadays.

  28. good for Obama – I now hate him just a little less.

  29. “Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing”

    And the people who were exposed by Snowden as having been engaged in a conspiracy to flagrantly violate the Constitution and the civil rights of countless Americans, and in some cases perjured themselves before Congress to cover up that conspiracy, have not. So their petty finger-wagging holds no fucking value at all.

  30. “Ha! I’m gonna commute Manning’s sentence just to piss off Trumpkins.”
    “Oh yeah? Well I’m gonna pardon Snowden just to piss of Obama fans.”

    Please make this a thing.

    1. That would be great.

      1. Agreed.

        Let there be more pardons regarding the deleterious governmental policies and punishments concerning “victimless” crimes.
        Perhaps one day, over the horizon of possibility, individuals living in the future of our own time, perhaps they will live with a government that has policies which are in accordance with the Non-Aggression Axiom (- very well…choose your preferred NAA/NAP).

  31. Somebody stab Patty Murray in the goddamn eye.

    Asks DeVos first thing – and she wants just a yes or no answer – is she committed to helping make sure all children get the best education possible? “Yes”

    Second question – so are you willing to make a commitment at this time to not privatizing any public schools or cutting any Dept of Ed funding for public schools?

    Because we all know “caring” is measured in dollars and cents. Nobody cares if Johnny can’t read as long as there’s a shitload of money being spent not teaching him.

    1. Somebody stab Patty Murray in the goddamn eye.

      I’d like to give her whispering eye a stabbing, if you know what I mean.

      1. Uhh no, I don’t know what you mean, do you have some illustrations?

  32. Okay, what the hell did Manning do? I didn’t hear anything about them until they were revealed to be trans-gendered in prison.

    1. He* grabbed a bunch of classified material and handed it over to Wikileaks. Wikipedia has a passable summary.

      * = he was still a dude when this happened despite Wikipedia’s choice of pronouns

      1. One a he becomes a she, Hxtory is erased and you are then always a she.

        1. Transgender names should operate like marriage names or other name changes and only be operative post-change (we have n?/n?e in the parlance for a reason).

          1. Good luck figuring out whether it should be n? or n?e!

            1. The important thing is that you pronounce it correctly:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo

              It’s all in the delivery!

          2. Does that mean Caitlyn has to be disqualified from her gold medals in the men’s events??

      2. So from the summary it looks like just a generic dump of information that didn’t confirm or reveal anything. Why the hell is this person a whistle blower instead of just a leaker?

        1. Illocust,

          Is “Enemy of the State” the correct answer?

    2. It was a pretty big story for a while. The transgender thing was just a weird sort of post script. And I guess after that came out there was all of the weirdly cruel solitary confinement stuff.

  33. WURST PRESIDENT EVER!!!

    “Nick Gillespie was a skeptic of the likelihood this morning (as I have been in the past), so color me happily surprised. The Obama administration will be known for its attempts to use the law to punish and imprison leakers and whistleblowers. That the president showed any concern at all for Manning’s fate is a surprise, though you do have to wonder if he would have extended such a mercy if she weren’t struggling to deal with her transgender shift in a military that still doesn’t know what to do about it.”

    Oh God… SCOTT, WHY DON’T YOU AND NICK GILLESPIE GO FUCK EACH OTHER. You can now and get married thanks to Obama.

    1. Are you on quest to become incoherent as well as petulant? Because if so, job well done.

    2. You shoulda stopped after the first line, socialist.

    3. Obama has a habit of blowing up weddings, so I would not recommend that at present time. Unless you have some relatives you really don’t like (preferably teenage boys because you can count them as enemy combatants).

    4. Homophobe!

  34. Funny the snowflakes over at Ars Technica had this warning to posters about this topic.

    Eric Bangeman Managing Editor, Ars Staff, Moderation

    “Keep the discussion confined to the Manning case. Discussing transgender/gender dysphoria is off-topic in this thread. And references to Manning as “he” will be considered trolling and treated as such. “

    1. Bangeman – “Talk about what I tell you to talk about. Use the words I tell you to use. Deviation from this will not be tolerated.”

      Commentariat – “Baaaah. Mwaaaaah. Baaaaah.”

      Really, why would anyone other than the worst kinds of sheep even bother?

  35. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

    What a weird way to say ‘We’re still trying to find a reason that the hag lost.’

  36. Thinking Chelsea will get released in May….and Bradley will show up in June………..

  37. You can almost here Edward Snowden [with a Phillip Glass soundtrack in the background] well, why didn’t I get a pardon?”

    Well, Ed, the thing is you don’t get a pardon if you basically have become an arm of Russian intelligence, and claim that you are concerned about privacy and then leak intelligence on *security* to Chinese and Russian intelligence agencies. People who pay attention to these things will know the difference. Chelsea Manning leaked documents that showed the horrors of the American occupation in Iraq. You sold state secrets to Russia, made self-serving and incredibly grating documentaries, showed us the unappealing side of the modern anarchy-bro, and worked for Julian Assange even after everyone smart enough to notice found out that he was a grand-standing attention whore who played to an audience of the profoundly gullible. You get to stay in Russia until Putin tells Trump it’s time for you to come home.

    1. You are a terrible human being who deserves to watch his child die an agonizingly painful death from bone cancer.

      1. I hope he’s getting paid to spread Obama apologetics. It has to get tiring to make shit up on the spot to aggrandize someone who has no personal connection to you.

      2. Whoa, whoa, whoa, leave the child out of this, he might realize that he has a moron for a father and better himself.

        1. You know he will never have a child as he is, what the Internet calls, “involuntarily celibate”.

          1. I think he’s mentioned kids before, which makes me pity them, but again, pathological liar, so it’s likely bullshit.

            “involuntarily celibate”

            You know as well as I that there are plenty of women who will go for braindead morally self-righteous socialists. Not good women, but women.

      3. I have a two year old and a four year old. Which one would you like to die horribly because of my political opinions? You are sick and need to take some anger management courses. When I get home tonight I’m going to report you to the webmaster. I hope they kick your ass off. You need a serious break and some time outside.

        1. Which one would you like to die horribly because of my political opinions?

          I have to choose just one?

        2. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 7:34PM|#
          “I have a two year old and a four year old. Which one would you like to die horribly because of my political opinions?”

          I’d settle for you.

          1. I like how he labels full-throated support for a turn-key totalitarian police state as “a political opinion.”

            1. Well, you know that Beria was just an accomplished ‘persuader’ to commies.

            1. Better than being a filthy bigot towards Asians.

            2. Fuck off Radix and push your bullshit with the other knuckle-dragging troglodytes like yourself.

        3. How can you have two young children and still wish more socialism on this planet?

          Your children are far more likely to suffer under realized wishes of socialism in their lifetimes than by voodoo curses from the commentariat.

          1. Easy. He only wants your children to die in camps, not his.

          2. Because he wants the rest of us to pay for them.

    2. “…if you basically have become an arm of Russian intelligence,…”

      The tin foil hats are on special, aisle #6. But their kept out of sight; the secret password is “asswipe”.

    3. Most importantly, you don’t embarrass President Obama!

      (No need to rationalize, amsoc, just cut to the chase.)

    4. You [Snowden] sold state secrets to Russia

      Evidence? Who needs evidence? I am american socialist and I can make up whatever claims suit my narrative!

      1. You can read about it right here: http://intelligence.house.gov/…..mentID=743

        It comes from a committee headed by Republicans so you’ll just eat it up.

        1. As far as Obama is concerned, the difference between Manning and Snowden is that Manning exposed things that mostly happened during the Bush Administration–but Snowden exposed Obama himself as a lying sack of shit.

          . . . and I’ve got just as much evidence as you do.

          Certainly, in ObamaWorld, embarrassing Obama is the unpardonable sin.

        2. Fun fact: Russia is not spelled “Glenn Greenwald”.

          But hey, maybe the blacked-out part vindicates your allegations. Do you have a special decoder ring that will un-redact the information? Maybe it will also explain how Clinton exposing state secrets was no big deal.

        3. It comes from a committee headed by Republicans so you’ll just eat it up.

          No, unlike you, I don’t pick up my daily talking points from Party headquarters. But hey, why don’t you project some more? It’s just wonderful seeing you lay your true motives bare.

          1. “don’t pick up my daily talking points from Party headquarters”

            You mean I’m happy that Chelsea Manning is getting out of jail? Yes, guilty as charged.

            1. “”don’t pick up my daily talking points from Party headquarters”
              You mean I’m happy that Chelsea Manning is getting out of jail? Yes, guilty as charged.”

              If you’re drinking, quit. If not, start.
              That non-sequitur would make sense to a drunk or someone badly in need of drink.

        4. Does not claim or show: “…if you basically have become an arm of Russian intelligence,…”

        5. The other difference is that Snowden embarrassed Obama–and gave Putin another opportunity to embarrass Obama, too.

          And Obama hates, hates, hates, hates, hates, hates, hates it when Putin makes him look like a fool.

          And Putin makes Obama look like a fool so often!

          It’s soooOOOooo embarrassing.

          1. Obama hates it when anyone makes him look like a fool.

    5. Snowden went to a country that offered to protect him from the government trying to wrongfully prosecute him, rather than submitting to wrongful prosecution, and that country trying to undermine the government wrongfully prosecuting justified said government deciding to continue seeking its wrongful prosecution if him?

      I suppose you also think a woman who fights back against her rapist deserves to get raped. As long as he’s a team blue rapist of course.

    6. Chelsea Manning leaked documents that showed the horrors of the American occupation in Iraq- as well as getting troops killed, putting intelligence personal at risk and betraying an oath he made. He wasn’t a whistlebower, it was treason.

      Snowden and Assange – put emails about the DNC out for the whole and embarrassed your hero’s Hillary and Obama . Boo.

      I feel sorry for your children but hopefully they’ll disown you when they are older. You are a miserable human being.

  38. Holy shit!
    That was unexpected.

  39. Unlike Snowden, Manning just released all the data, he didn’t try to redact names or such. And as such, got people killed.

    OTOH, clearly he’s mentally ill. I don’t think justice is served torturing a crazy person.

    1. … I don’t think justice is served torturing a crazy person.

      JeremyR,

      I agree with the statement of yours which I quoted.
      What are your thoughts on torturing sane individuals?

  40. Too little, too late.

    And by the way Mr. Earnest, it is not a democracy (thank the writers of the Constitution!).

  41. The emperor wants us to think he’s merciful because he set someone free?

    Color me unimpressed by Obama’s “mercy”.

    Obama let her rot in a military prison for seven years. He is not merciful.

  42. Welease Bwian!

  43. OT: This guy is funny. In the same vein as Godfrey Elfwick.

  44. Finally, the Kenyan does something (besides being neither ku-klux nor exactly nationalsocialist) to justify his tenure presiding over the George Waffen Bush asset-forfeiture crash and Depression. Obama wasn’t a total waste of skin after all! Pity he did not even know the definitions of freedom, coercion or rights…
    Then again… you can’t have everything… (where would you put it?)

  45. Finally, the Kenyan does something (besides being neither ku-klux nor exactly nationalsocialist) to justify his tenure presiding over the George Waffen Bush asset-forfeiture crash and Depression. Obama wasn’t a total waste of skin after all! Pity he did not even know the definitions of freedom, coercion or rights…
    Then again… you can’t have everything… (where would you put it?)

    1. “where would you put it?”

      Inside Winston’s mom

    1. He can get over-the-top sometimes but this one was indeed excellent.

      On January 19, the day before Barack Obama’s successor is inaugurated, a group of self-abasing would-be subjects ? there may end up being thousands of them ? plan to gather down the street from the White House and applaud.

      *head-desk*

      1. Sure. I guess its more like sometimes I really, really, really enjoy Kevin Williamson.

  46. Where the heaviest-drinking Americans live

    New England is home to the nation’s heaviest drinkers ? New Hampshire, where about 64 percent of residents age of 12 or older drink monthly, is tops in the country. Vermont, Maine and Connecticut also come in at drinking rates above 60 percent. Hard-drinking cheeseheads in Wisconsin see to it that their home is the only Midwestern state in the top tier of American drinkers.

    The next tier of heavy drinking states are all in the northern part of the country. Some researchers posit that there may be a relationship between heavy drinking and latitude ? at the country level, alcohol consumption tends to increase the farther you get away from the equator. This could be a function of the potential for boredom and depression during winter months when the nights are long, the days are short, and baby it’s cold outside ? for a prime example of this, see recent stories involving alcohol and misconduct among people who live in Antarctica.

    Suck a dick, West Coast.

    1. I’ve never been prouder.

      1. Anyone who’s heard of Scissorfight already knew this.

        1. Scissorfight?

          Hell, I remember the days of Abortion Squad!

    2. Suck a dick, West Coast.

      We’re all about health and macrobiotic cooking now.

      Oh wait, that was the 90s. We’re all about health and the paleo diet now.

        1. He might be just speaking for Seattle.

          1. *sigh*

            Ok, what’s the in health thing now? Along the west coast?

            1. Kombucha seems to be the most in thing right now, displacing kale and quinoa. paleo is still popular. *thinks of current Whole Foods displays* Prosecco among a certain hipster douchebag crowd.

              1. Kombucha is SO 2015/6.

            2. I wouldn’t know; I GTFO of there in the nineties.

    3. I might have to move to Wisconsin. It’s what Minnesota should have been.

      1. Friendly people and pretty country but cold.

  47. As this educational (but NSFW) clip from the wonderful film Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai shows us, that although we seem different on the outside, in reality we are all very much alike.

    1. I love that scene. Henry Silva has always had a surreal quality.

      1. Yeah, if you were about to be interrogated, that’s not a face you would want to see walk in the room,

            1. Also love those reverse joint pops

            2. More seriously, Sinatra broke his hand in that fight. The hand was supposed to go through a prop part of the table that was designed to break away, but the table was set up wrong.

              1. I did not know that. Interested, Ted.

                1. *interesting. I may be interested, too, of course…

  48. Yeah!, so glad to hear that Chelsea can go back to being a guy. Look, ‘Chelsea’, not everyone can pull off a ‘Caitlyn Jenner’. It’s sort of like pulling off a ‘Hillary defense’. You got to lock down those special privileges before hand.

    1. asian babies are like concentrated cute. you could probably construct a nuclear-cute warhead by putting them in a centrifuge.

      pretty much all other babies look like pig fetuses.

      1. you could probably construct a nuclear-cute warhead by putting them in a centrifuge.

        No, the process of creating baby-hexafluoride really messes up the cuteness of their skin, bones and nervous system even before they hit the centrifuge. Trust me.

    2. She’s pretty goddamn cute

  49. I have to say that with the upcoming inauguration of a bonafide fascist in office my hope is that libertarianism is more meeting the hot raver girl at the Trump protest and having a threesome with the wife and less slapping Gil and John on the butt for their real smart Trump apologia. Not to mention no wishing death upon people you disagree with–or their kids! Good Lord.

    1. You fucking suck, low-grade Richard Spencer knockoff.

    2. I hope you die of kidney failure.

    3. You haven’t killed yourself yet? Why the fuck not? Hurry up, pussy. And make sure to drown your kids in the bathtub first. You don’t want them to live a life of sadness after you abandon them, do you?

      1. The one on the right in the old timey photo had some pretty big knockers and a cute face

    4. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 8:29PM|#
      “I have to say that with the upcoming inauguration of a bonafide fascist”

      Actually, he’s socialist, and the lying POS is on his way out!
      Only 8 years late.

      1. I pretty much come here to state boring common sense opinion. A.) I’m happy that Obama pardoned Manning, b.) Obama deserves credit for that, c.) his Republican counterparts would have let Manning rot in jail, D.) I can distinguish–quite easily– what Snowden did and what Manning did and, oh yeah, E.) I think Snowden is an insufferable twat. But because this website is infested with Defcon 1 right-wingers such middle-of-the-road political opinion inspires expressed wishes for not only my death, but for the death of my young kids. Some of the people here are just off their fucking rage rocker.

        1. I hope your mother dies of 3rd degree burns by lighting her clothing on fire due to an accident caused by her senile dementia.

          1. That train already left the station. She self-immolated after watching him carve a hammer and sickle into the family dog with a ka-bar.

        2. I reiterate my previous “you’re a boring cunt” statement, but include “stupid” this time.

        3. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 9:27PM|#
          “I pretty much come here to state boring common sense opinion.”

          Don’t bother flattering yourself, asswipe. You lie, beat on strawmen, claim moral superiority for no reason and generally post in ways that should embarrass a human of normal intelligence.
          Fuck off, and die.

        4. As long as you are happy AmSoc nothing else should matter.

        5. Maybe one day one of your “boring commen sense opinions” will be backed by fact. I doubt it, but there’s always a first time.

    5. Amsoc needs to get back to his book: ‘How to build your own yard gulag!’

  50. Lundqvist has let in 7 goals and we’re not even in the 3rd period yet LOL

    1. Most overrated arena on earth.

      1. It is fugly.

        7:6 and now Dallas is pulling their own goalie…

  51. I need one of these.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/th…..sed-design

    1. Did they have to make it look so much like this?

  52. Jesus Christ, commentators, get a grip.

    http://www.goodtherapy.org/lea…..management

    1. Remember the time when you praised the Soviet Union for rounding up entire communities of Muslims in Central Asia and interning them in labor camps?

      Pepperidge Farm remembers!

    2. The support of a mental health professional may be helpful in this process.

      Take that to heart, buddy.

    3. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 8:50PM|#
      “Jesus Christ, commentators, get a grip.”

      Shows up, frothing at the mouth, making up lies, an admitted admirer of mass-murderers, and he asks *US* to get a grip.

      1. He unapologetically spews the most vile racist bigotry towards individuals like my wife and daughter, but expects his brats to be off-limits?

        Eat shit, american socialist. I hope you walk into your 2 year-old’s bedroom tonight to discover him or her blue-skinned and corpse cold from the toddler version of SIDS.

        1. “He unapologetically spews the most vile racist bigotry towards individuals like my wife and daughter, but expects his brats to be off-limits?”

          He’s a commie; he’s right and pure about everything and anyone who objects to his moral thuggery is subject to physical thuggery if he possibly could.

            1. It doesn’t take a lot of reading before you run into “the anointed” who have been granted the revelations to save humanity.
              And if you get in their way, you are dead meat! THAT’S how you ‘save humanity’.

              1. I hope his kids live long and happy lives, but that just means he needs to die before they are old enough to remember him.

          1. “He’s a commie”

            I’m trying to sell a put on a stock. Do you guys know how to do this?

            1. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 9:55PM|#
              “”He’s a commie”
              I’m trying to sell a put on a stock. Do you guys know how to do this?”

              Why, a hypocrite commie! I’m sure someone, somewhere is shocked!

          2. It’s in the mindset. Lefties throw the first punch and react with shock when you have the temerity to defend yourself and land a right.

            They’re also terrible at articulating their rubbish mostly because it’s insane. That’s why they’re always shouting or demanding ‘let me finish!’

            We’ve also seen not only are they lack grace in victory but are acidic sore losers If conservatives were to march and protest Obama’s inauguration they’d raise their pseudo-intellectual arms and scream like a bunch of hyenas hyped up on zebra blood.

            They are the most uninteresting people in the world.

            And despicable.

    4. Down your kids, pussy.

    5. I’d follow your own advice first. And learn HTML like my ten year old niece.

  53. Ex-deputy found not guilty of murder charge in Ohio shooting

    In an unrelated case, Jenkins also has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges in the fatal shooting of a neighbor in December 2015.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017…..oting.html

  54. Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy

    That says more about our own government than Snowden. Seriously, fuck these people.

    1. It seems to me that the Obama administration has been making a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.

  55. “As an aside: Isn’t it grotesque to attempt to tie Snowden to the Russian hacking and releasing of Democratic National Committee information?”

    No. it’s 100% relevant.

    1. You mean if Snowden was working for the Russian government and the DNC was intimately tied to the NSA?

      That’s some pants-shitting conspiracy theorizing, MiniMao.

    2. american socialist|1.17.17 @ 9:08PM|#
      “No. it’s 100% relevant.”

      Your tin-foil hat is being held for you, aisle #6. Secret password is “asswipe”; they’ll have it ready for you.

  56. Every single one of my contributions to the HnR comments over the years have merely been this in text form.

    I hope you appreciate my service to the community.

    1. It’s like being punched in the dick by a pair of Thanksgiving turkeys. It’s beautiful.

  57. Top five Currys from worst to first:

    5. Mark
    4. Ann
    3. Steph
    2. Arthur
    1. Tim

    1. As a benchmark, where would the food fall in this list?

      1. Obviously not in the top five. Duh doy.

    2. That list is wrong because there was no “Goat

        1. lol

          i once had jerk chicken from a shack on the side of the road outside montego bay where they basically cooked the birds whole, then whacked them into pieces with a cleaver after they’d been scorched/de-botulized enough, and sort of half-heartedly flipped away any ‘yucky guts’ or unseemly pieces before shoveling it all onto a paper plate for you. i got the head and both feet on my plate. it was freaking delicious.

          1. I will eat the shit out of chicken feet. One of the best parts of the bird, if you ask me.

            1. Someone’s gotta eat them. They can taste really good, but to me the level of work involved with sloshing the little bone pieces around to discard makes the whole endeavour not worth the effort, IMO. I hate to say it, but I’d prefer a skewer of chicken assholes and tails any day of the week.

              1. “…but to me the level of work involved with sloshing the little bone pieces around to discard makes the whole endeavour not worth the effort, IMO….”

                Boiled Dungeness? Mmmmmmmm!
                But forget about digging the last bit out of the ends of the legs.

                1. Boiling crab is a sin.

                  Crab should be steamed and any crab eater knows that.

                  1. OK, so it didn’t hit the water. Are you all better now?

    3. Bearded pirate-looking Arthur Curry or clean cut Arthur Curry?

    4. *McLaughlin speech style* Wrong!

      5. Jamaican Goat
      4. Japanese, Hot
      3. Penang
      2. Thai, Green
      1. Laksa

        1. Just don’t dig Massaman as much as others. ?\_(?)_/?

          Plus Tean’s Gourmet is the shiznat and head and shoulders above all others. We use the straight up paste to marinate party wings for 24 hours. Insanely good.

          1. LOL I love the amazon comments, especially this one:

            (**/*****) By Amazon Customer on May 26, 2016

            Verified Purchase

            Coconut milk does not come with it so we have to go find it in stores. It is way too spicy. It upsets the GI tract if you know what I mean. The manufacturer is well known to producing these overly spicy pastes in their other products. The consumers should be warned about that.

            Missing passage: I like bees.

        2. When and where did he do that re your kids?

          1. Leave it to me to ask a question when someone leaves to go take a long shit.

            Or eat chicken feet.

  58. OK, the headline:
    “Anti-Trump student walkouts planned in Oakland, Berkeley”
    […]
    “Behind Friday’s demonstrations is a group called By Any Means Necessary, which has held many protests at UC Berkeley. The group was seeking more supporters at UC Berkeley on Tuesday.”
    http://abc7news.com/news/anti-…..y/1707367/

    Note the “by any means necessary”; no threat there, right?
    I searched this since wife has the TV weather on and what they mentioned (not in the article) was the ‘teacher’ component in the protest; pressuring kids to be political props!
    Your tax dollars at work!

    1. I’ve always laughed about this idea of the “student walkout” protest, in particuar at universities, on matters not really materially related to your education.

      It’s super okay to confiscate tax money from residents under threat of imprisonment and/or threat of forfeit of property holdings, but it’s also super kewl to piss away funds allocated ostensibly for a public school education, right? Right????

      1. By providing for the Brit defense lo, these many years, and thereby removing those costs from the national expenses, you and me have been supplying “free” (if pathetic) medical care for the Brits.
        Did anyone thank you the last time you were there?

    2. THEY WILL TOTALLY SHOW A UNIFIED FRONT TO ALL THOSE PRO-TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN BERKELEY

      RESIST!!!

      1. Pretty damn brave, I’d say!
        I understand some lefty congress critters are NOT GOING to the Inauguration. I’m sure Trump will be devastated.

  59. And, continuing our look at true bleevers this evening:

    “California’s tough water regulations likely to remain in place”
    […]
    “”It’s not just about percentage cutbacks. We don’t anticipate the need for many of those,” said Max Gomberg, senior environmental scientist. “It’s really about continuing some of the other things that are aiding our transition to more efficient water use and drought preparedness.”
    http://www.sfgate.com/drought/…..864014.php

    Seems to me that ‘drought preparedness’ would have something to do with developing water storage facilities rather than telling the population they should smell French, wouldn’t you think?
    And then:
    “Up to 3 inches of rain in 3 days expected to soak San Francisco”
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..862619.php

    1. Third link:
      “MIT scientists: California should brace for 3 more monster storms per year by 2100”
      http://www.sfgate.com/science/…..835311.php
      Oh, who am I to bleeve?

    2. California basically is French in nature. Why not smell like it?

      1. Well, I can get a steak in CA that didn’t whinny when it was alive.
        And even if it might have been cow, why do they slice it a half-inch thick? How do you do a rare half-inch thick steak?

        1. Bring it to room temperature. Salt, lightly rub with oil, then wave a blowtorch over it until the outside turns brown. Flip and repeat.

    3. In California, spending money on services for illegals is a higher priority than water.

  60. “by any means necessary”; no threat there, right?”
    Course not. I noted tonite’s NCIS episode had some anti-government militia outfit – repleat with Gadsden and “76” Liberty flags – plotting to sell stolen radioactive materials to some who could bomb the DC Metro.

    1. And the heroic (not to mention good looking) wunnerful gov’t agents will save us once again!!!
      Do I have it?

  61. So are Clooney, Damon and Affleck working on a movie about Obama? They’d probably title it ‘SAVING AMERICA WITH DIGNITY’. More appropriate would, of course, be ‘The Cultist’.

    And fuck Affleck for his douchebaggery in ‘Argo’ for neglecting to even humour Ken Taylor’s role during the Iran hostage crisis. Canada helped an ally and Captain Boston goes off and ignores it.

    1. STOP IT NOW MATT DAMON IS WORKING HARD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF CLEAN DRINKING WATER FOR THE UNDERSERVED. MATT DAMON

      1. God those commercials are fucking insufferable.

        Clean drinking water is an issue in a lot of places. The fact that women carry it around? Yeah, not fun.

        But it’s not the most pressing problem in the world. It’s just that it has enough ‘intersectionality’ as to provide the maximum level of social signaling.

    1. An emasculated country like France should not have 300 nuclear bombs. That’s a crime!

      1. Don’t worry, they’ll belong to the new caliphate soon enough.

    2. Is that for real?

      1. Apparently so. Haven’t tried debunking it, though.

        1. OK, it’s real, and not an error (except typographically): JEFF is the Joint Evaluated Fission and Fusion File, a project of the Nuclear Energy Agency of the OECD.

  62. Top five Scooby-Doo characters, ranked worst to first:

    5. Fred
    4. Daphne
    3. Scooby
    2. Velma
    1. Shaggy

    1. Velma ahead of Scooby? Aaarrug?!

      1. Daphne is number 1 you philistine!

    1. “”If you, Mr. Trump, fail to take the Russian threat seriously, if you do not disentangle yourself from your business interests, if you promote corrupt or conflicted advisers and cabinet members, if you fail to understand the gravity of the foreign policy crisis you face, if you deprive millions of health care without an alternative, if you fail to act on the global threat of climate change, if you pit Americans against each other by race, gender, and religion, if you undermine science and reason ? there will be an asterisk next to your name.” — Dan Rather, from his Facebook account.

      1. Where were all these self-important assholes eight years ago?
        Dan Rather as an authority on governing? How about an authority on which profile is the beast camera angle?

        1. Dan Rather is a guy with an asterisk next to his name.

          1. That’s entirely too kind of you; the man’s a partisan hack who is now released from any requirement to appear otherwise.

      2. Huh.

        Fuck off Dan you liar.

        Imagine that. Just four years ago the 1980s called and wanted their Cold War foreign policy back as per Obama.

        Funny that.

    2. those people are all just trying to use politics to make the public pay attention to them. i doubt any of them has an opinion that runs deeper than, “how will this play on twitter”.

  63. So, what do people think will happen with the inauguration protests, regarding size and violence? And will whatever happen hurt Trump, help him, or be a wash?

    I predict medium-large protests, with lots of property damage. Even though some of the violence will be anti-Trump vs. pro-Trump, and not just anti-Trump vs. police, Trump will still look better.

    I can’t decide if there will be a death toll or not. Lefty “direct action” types rarely kill anyone, but accidents happen, and there will be BLM types around.

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  65. Honestly, I have mixed thoughts. Actual practitioners of civil disobedience: Martyrs, Thoreau, Gandhi, and M L King knew that the punishment and acceptance thereof was the Hegira. Manning’s was a game of Monopoly waiting for the mythical Get Out of Jail Free card. Yes, he had to buy it with a ritual, but real, emasculation. But the commutation was an act to advantage a near ex-president who stands to lose everything he never had in the first place.

    So Barack Hussein Obama has bought himself some capital with civil libertarians. Why? I’ll never know. He never once stood forward to protect our data privacy as individuals. It took his big donors, like Apple and others refusing to put backdoors in their encryption schemes to keep the Feds, in general, out. We are still at huge risk. But no thanks to the current president and even less with the next.

  66. As soon as she’s away from 24 hour observation she’ll kill herself.

  67. “undermine confidence in our democracy”

    Ah yes, when all fails go with the “subversion of the state” option. Totalitarian 101.

  68. ‘Obama’s mercy’.

    I get the distinct feeling Obama is the sort of guy who metaphorically sees himself like Michael Corleone at the end of The Godfather when the person entered the his office and kissed his hand as Neri closed the door as Kate looked on.

  69. Honest question here, why was there so much support for Manning? I’ve followed the Snowden case much more carefully and understand that one pretty well, but I don’t understand why Manning has received so much support. Please don’t tell me it’s mostly to do with the transgender situation.

    1. “Please don’t tell me it’s mostly to do with the transgender situation.”

      okay….

      It’s because Manning portrayed himself as a tragic figure. A gentle soul who entered military service to ‘serve’ country but found the culture and actions in stark contrast with the ideal vision of a world utopia perpetuated by the effeminate left. The trans thing is just the end result of his path.
      Manning is the progressive parallel to Oppam from Saving Private Ryan.
      When faced with the horrors and reality of war at the sharp end, Oppam world was upended, but he eventually found the path to loyalty and sacrifice for his squadmates.
      When faced with the quite mild reality of a military desk job, Manning found the path to victimhood and betrayed his squadmates.

      You can tell a lot about a person by who they would rate as a better example, Oppam or Manning. A lot of progs think Oppam is a tragic figure and his embrace of martial action a betrayal.

      1. I’m still hoping there is more to the story because even the editors here have championed Manning’s release. I don’t have much sympathy for those who willingly join the military during wartime and then decide that warfare is a tragic enterprise, and I certainly don’t think the proper response to such enlightenment is the betrayal of secrets that lead to the harm of others.

        Regarding the portrayal of the military and the left, I have always been irked that since Obama took office, the portrayal of the Navy and Marines in commercials make them sound like benevolent organizations. The slogan for the Navy was changed to “A Global Force For Good” and the commercials for the Marines show them running into harms way delivering Aid Packages.

        Upham is an interesting and good comparison.

    2. Well he stuck his thumb in the eye of government, so I do like that much about him.

      But yeah, Snowden is a true patriot, a true whistleblower. Manning was just a mentally unsound guy who released a bunch of stuff with little rhyme or reason.

  70. Chelsea Clinton needed a pardon?

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  72. Russians hacked the DNC, Maybe, hacked John Podesta, not, don’t use password, as a password, march 2015, Trump announced in June.

    J. Assaunge states emails given not by Russians, no false emails reported

    as to election Hacking, all states use paper Ballots and machines to count that are not on-line, someone explain that hack to me..

    Russian’s stuffing ballot bakes? Detroit recount stopped by Clinton appointed Judge,..as Ballot stuffing became evident, he stopped recount,..Why? conjecture is evidence was presented that all the false ballots counted were for Democrats and Hillary, they had no association with the clerks books. evidence of ballot stuffing..oops!!

    see project Veritas,..they got good on this

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  75. He/She/It should have been hanged!

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