Political Correctness

President Obama on Political Correctness: 'Don't Go Around Just Looking for Insults'

In an NPR interview, the president explained the difference between being polite and being politically correct.

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During a recent interview with NPR, President Obama was asked if Donald Trump was right: has political correctness gone too far?

"This is a tricky issue," Obama answered. "Because the definition of political correctness is all over the map. I suspect the president-elect's definition would be different than mine."

The president then offered two definitions of political correctness: the first is simply having good manners. It's wrong to shout racial epithets at people, or to verbally harass them. Objecting to abusive treatment isn't an example of political-correctness-run-amok—or if it is, then political correctness is a good thing. Most people probably want to live in a country where people are encouraged not to scream obscenities at each other.

The second definition of political correctness, according to Obama, is "hypersensitivity that ends up resulting in people not being able to express their opinions at all without someone suggesting they're a victim."

He continued:

My advice to progressives like myself, and advice I give my daughters who are about to head off to college is don't go around just looking for insults. You're tough. If someone says something you don't agree with, engage them on their ideas, but you don't have to feel that somehow because you're a black woman, you're being assaulted. But speak up for yourself.

The president went on to point out that when it comes to political correctness, conservatives are hypocrites. They routinely get themselves worked up, and cite offense, over silly slights, as the Cato Institute's Alex Nowrasteh pointed out in a recent op-ed for The Washington Post:

But conservatives have their own, nationalist version of PC, their own set of rules regulating speech, behavior and acceptable opinions. I call it "patriotic correctness." It's a full-throated, un-nuanced, uncompromising defense of American nationalism, history and cherry-picked ideals. Central to its thesis is the belief that nothing in America can't be fixed by more patriotism enforced by public shaming, boycotts and policies to cut out foreign and non-American influences.

Insufficient displays of patriotism among the patriotically correct can result in exclusion from public life and ruined careers. It also restricts honest criticism of failed public policies, diverting blame for things like the war in Iraq to those Americans who didn't support the war effort enough.

It's important to point out double standards. Nowrasteh and Obama are right: conservatives play the victim card, too. That's one big reason that I doubt Trump will follow through on his campaign promise to destroy political correctness. His supporters are just as PC about the kinds of symbolic gestures that matter to them.

And while it's been largely true in the Age of Obama that liberals were the ones pushing political correctness and viciously silencing their opponents on college campuses, PC is not a left vs. right issue. It's about free speech and tolerance vs. identity collectivism and censorship. And there are plenty of right-leaning forces that want to silence their enemies—even with respect to college campuses. Just yesterday, it was reported that a Republican legislator wants to punish the University of Wisconsin for allowing a liberal professor to teach a class on "The Problem of Whiteness." Meanwhile, Turning Points USA has compiled a watchlist of liberal professors saying things that violate patriotic correctness.

"It cuts both way," said Obama. "My advice to young people and to all of us as citizens is to be able to distinguish between being courteous and being thoughtful… versus having legitimate political debates and disagreements."

The president, to his credit, has consistently denounced the excesses of self-victimization on college campuses. Obama's Education Department, however, was a big part of the problem—and one he stubbornly failed to correct throughout his time in office.

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  1. MY GOD THIS MAN CAN TROLL!!!!!

    1. Least. Self. Aware. Person. EVAH!!!!!

      1. Robby or B-rock?

          1. brak might be the stupidest president ever.

            self aggrandizing, arrogant, marxist puppet pimp.
            Hilarious how he is living in denial about his failures. What a sad sack of shit.

            1. I wonder if he actually believes what he says or just more “hope & change” and desire to keep his pretty marginal legacy together ?

  2. PJWs ruined my career

  3. That’s cute coming from President Race Card.

  4. The president then offered two definitions of political correctness: the first is simply having good manners. It’s wrong to shout racial epithets at people, or to verbally harass them. Objecting to abusive treatment isn’t an example of political-correctness-run-amok?or if it is, then political correctness is a good thing.

    Well the President is wrong. There is only one definition of PC – the other is simply called ‘politeness and courtesy’. He is using the same ‘motte and bailey’ technique that has worked so well for the left for decades now.

    Objecting to abusive treatment isn’t PC run amok – it isn’t PC at all. Its simply *courtesy*. But this is how you’re lured in. Nobody’s going to object to being *nice* to each other. Then add in ‘micro-agressions’ to the ‘abusive treatment’ definition. Jump back to ‘we’re just being polite’ if there’s too much backlash. Then push it again and repeat until people are too tired to fight back.

    1. motte and bailey

      Beat me to it. “Who can object to politeness and civility?!” followed by “and of course, it’s only polite and civil to do whatever the leftist talking point of the day says you should”.

      1. I can object when one suggests that being polite and civil should be enforced by law.

    2. My advice to progressives like myself, and advice I give my daughters who are about to head off to college is don’t go around just looking for insults. You’re tough. If someone says something you don’t agree with, engage them on their ideas, but you don’t have to feel that somehow because you’re a black woman, you’re being assaulted. But speak up for yourself.

      This might have been the only sensible thing he’s said in 8 years. Where the hell was this guy in 2008?

      1. Like the daughters stand a chance of not being re-programmed in college. Starting at freshman orientation.

        1. Also, I don’t think anyone’s going to be openly hostile to them, what with that whole lifetime Secret Service detail following them around.

          1. Correction: technically, the protection is not “lifetime” for the family of former Presidents, only for the President himself. But it didn’t end with the President’s term for either Chelsea Clinton or Bush’s daughters, and I doubt it will for Obama’s daughters, either.

            1. I honestly am unsure, and much to lazy to check, but is it only for lifetime of President? Or was the premise of the movie, “Guarding Tess”, unfactual?

              1. As of 2012, lifetime Secret Service protection is available for both former Presidents and First Spouses: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_Presidents_Act

          2. “Thanks, Dad.”

      2. This might have been the only sensible thing he’s said in 8 years. Where the hell was this guy in 2008?

        Moments of clarity such as elucidated above are why Obama polls over 50%, but whose ideology and actual policies have been roundly repudiated by the electorate for some years now.

      3. It’s more than a little convenient that he’s neglected to notice this for the past eight years. What a self-serving jackass. The Dhimmicrats’ shellacking was richly deserved.

      4. I agree. It’s a shame to see a guy who at least appears to be thoughtful be so wrong, so often.

        It’s the difference between being wrong and being manipulative, and that’s a fairly big deal for me.

      5. He was too busy not engaging anyone on ideas and getting down feather pillow questions from the media. He never said this once when any one who objected to his assumed presidency was racist.

        He’s just legacy grabbing now. He’s shown his stripes for 8 years now, and despite being great advise, people see it for what it is.

  5. Nobody ever asks about the Libertarian version of PC which states:

    Get. Off. My. Lawn. Slaver.

    1. Let’s not try to improve on JsubD’s perfection: “Fuck off, slaver”

      1. I didn’t feel worthy to quote the actual proverb.

  6. He is using the same ‘motte and bailey’ technique that has worked so well for the left for decades now.

    Judging from Obama’s tenure moving elected Democrats to almost an endangered species, the gravy train runneth no more I think.

  7. You know, if his only job was to go around saying reasonable-sounding things, Obama would be the greatest president in history. Unfortunately we also have the rest of his presidential duties to deal with.

    1. if his only job was to go around saying reasonable-sounding things, Obama would be the greatest president in history.

      He feels as bad as anyone that he keeps supporting policies which he rhetorically deplores as ‘excessive’. He only heard about this stuff from Robby! He thinks its terrible and darnit, he’s going to make sure the Toppest people are put in charge of this issue and make sure something is done about it.

    2. You know, if his only job was to go around saying reasonable-sounding things, Obama would be the greatest president in history.

      “You didn’t build that”

      “Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”

      “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody”

      “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

      Obama says a lot of reasonable-sounding things if you’re a half-retarded Tumblrina who wants your viewpoint reinforced. And what a coincidence, you are!

  8. Obama’s Education Department, however, was a big part of the problem?and one he stubbornly failed to correct throughout his time in office.

    And that makes the denunciations ring hollow. If your policy has certain results and you don’t change the policy, I don’t particularly believe you object to the results, regardless of protests to the contrary.

    1. Was this failed to correct or was it actively encouraging?

      1. He just appointed Catherine Lhamon to a 6year term on the DoJ’s Commission on Civil Rights. where she can’t be fired.

        That’s a reward for a job well-done. If he didn’t actively endorse everything she did at OCR, he sure as shit wouldn’t be giving her a very high-profile promotion.

      2. I don’t think there’s a huge distinction. If you’re in a position of power to perhaps change things and all you do is talk about how others should change it, you’ve earned yourself a share of blame. Just like when he let the NSA run roughshod over the 4A after campaigning on reversing all these Bush-era rollbacks of rights.

        1. If only he had a very powerful position from which he could make those changes happen…If only he had a pen and a phone.

  9. “the first is simply having good manners. ” if that was simply the definition why would we need the term politically correct..

    I have always thought of political correctness is any thought or opinion that adheres to a narrative of social justice and multiculturalism, EVEN when the facts to not support such narratives.. then when stating the facts you would not be being politically correct but yet a truthteller.. is it just me?

    like saying Swedish immigration is only postivies and saying something politically incorrect would be pointing out violence rates toward women among immigrants..

    it centers around adherence and digression from the leftist narrative

    1. this is exactly this. PC is not “treating people with respect”

      that’s called “not being a douche”

      PC is adhering to that which is FACTUALLY incorrect or at least not proven or suspect but that is POLITICALLY correct

      “women are smarter than men”
      “Asians are not a model minority”

      etc

      1. good clarification

    2. Actually PC started before multi-culturalism. PC was initially about politicians filtering what they said and getting rid of words like handicapped and retarded. It was pretty much seen as a joke.

      1. Oh it’s older than that. Just look at Orwell’s 1984.

        1. Or how “life, liberty and property” was replaced with the politically correct version “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”

  10. It’s important to point out double standards. Nowrasteh and Obama are right: conservatives play the victim card, too. That’s one big reason that I doubt Trump will follow through on his campaign promise to destroy political correctness. His supporters are just as PC about the kinds of symbolic gestures that matter to them.

    Absolutely right there Soave – nobody ever wants to destroy a weapon once they have one in their arsenal. Its the exact same shit with the ‘fake news’ stuff going around right now. *Everybody’s* getting onboard the ‘ban-it’ wagon.

    1. So you are saying that Obama is Sauron, Trump is Boromir, and I’m still Gandalf. Which makes you…?

      1. Hillary’s definitely Golem chasing the ring.

        1. The analogy is now perfect.

        2. Hillary is a (((mud monster)))? Somehow out all makes sense now!

          1. No, that’s Bernie (at least according to leaked emails).

              1. Loud, Jewish, overcompensating, way too costly and mostly used as a status symbol? I guess.

                You people and your crimes against Tolkien…

              2. Trolls are Trump voters. Orcs work for Trump campaign. Elves are lefties and their town is San Francisco.

                This can go on and on and on.

                1. “Elves are lefties and their town is San Francisco.”

                  No, the Tolkien Elves mostly just wanted to be left alone. They were hoping to avoid getting into the fight.

                  Lefties are trying to establish authoritarian control over everyone else.

                  1. No, the Tolkien Elves mostly just wanted to be left alone. They were hoping to avoid getting into the fight.

                    Lefties are trying to establish authoritarian control over everyone else.

                    Lefties think of themselves and San Francisco as refuge of adult rationality amid a Middle Earth (flyover) of childish greedy rubes that through such failings have stupidly unleashed forces of utmost darkness.

                    They even think about getting on boats and leaving for Valinor Canada, a land of beauty and plenty where things never die.

        3. Nope, Hillary is Sauron, Trump is Gollum. The ring will bring out the worst in him, but he may yet be the means by which it is destroyed. Had it found its way back to her, it would have been a disaster for everything good in the world.

          1. Not bad!

      2. I am Gandalf

    2. Are there any samples of the other side PC run amok. Somehow I keep getting articles of people being fired, dismissed from school, having political signs sabotaged, and getting harassed over leftist shit but not much the other way.

      I know everyone likes to say “both sides” because it sounds neutral but sometimes one side really is worse. It seems to me most socialist societies are by necessity censorious hellholes, and it isn’t because “both sides”. It’s because one side silences people that are being impolite by force. I’d call that a trend that continues from all leftists.

      1. Yeah, I think Robby’s grasping. There may be a few fucksticks on the “right” you can point to, but as a matter of degree and ubiquity, it’s not equivalent.

        1. Its not a defining characteristic of conservativism. Nobody, I don’t think, has ever claimed that there’s no such thing as a politically correct republican, but its not what they all have in common.

      2. The war on christmas bullshit?

      3. The whiny Trumpkin internet brigades? (I don’t think internet trolls are reprsentative of all of his supporters but whiny progressive internet brigades are constantly used as examples.)

      4. The people here who complain about Reason criticizing Trump too much?

        1. Annoying as fuck, but no where near the same thing.

      5. The people who whine about Trans in bathrooms? (not those who think private businesses should be able to do whatever they want but those who say everybody’s daughter is going to be raped, like the million pamphlets I got in the mail ahead of the HERO vote here)

      6. People who advocate banning flag burning?

      7. People who justify bullshit by saying “think of the children?”

      8. People who complain about porn?

      9. People who want a “safe space” provided by the government from competition for their jobs?

      10. Trump, who is a thin skinned bitch?

        (I’m sure you’ll just say he is trolling rather than being the whiny bitch he is)

      11. Postrel?

      12. Drug warriors?

      13. People who complain about “inappropriate” books in libraries?

      14. People who get upset when their children are taught evolution?

      15. People who think you can have a culture war without two sides?

        1. Some of the things you said are real, some are not. None have any political weight, and I’ve never seen any consequences for any. If people said mean stuff on twitter is the opposition to the left’s firing, federal king investigating, and screwing people with title IX bullshit than you don’t have much of an other side.

          1. None have any political weight, and I’ve never seen any consequences for any.

            There’s the important bit. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and everybody has their hobbyhorse – particularly the retards like apatheist who believe that they don’t have one. But one side is vastly disproportionately represented when it comes to enshrining their opinions in law and public policy, and it ain’t the dreaded young earth creationist soccer moms who don’t want their 7th grader reading Tropic of Capricorn.

            1. Need aloe? Buy it yourself.

          2. I suspect you need your safe space now. Your skin needs regeneration

        2. Dayum, Apatheist, I bet you didn’t even feel that mask slide right off.

  11. Credit to Obama where it’s due… Heck, even Bernie did the same.

    Also, iirc a little ways back Obama spoke similarly about Colleges should be for free speech and exchange of ideas not banning people you disagree with.

    I have LITTLE DOUBT Hillary would have been waaaaaay worse than Obama

    1. If I remember correctly one of the first things Obama did when he was first elected was try to kick FOX out of his press conferences because they were not a real news agency.

      Hint: If it comes out of Obumbles mouth, it’s a fucking lie.

  12. . “Because the definition of political correctness is all over the map. I suspect the president-elect’s definition would be different than mine.”

    Let’s just use Bernie’s definition; you know, “Speaking truth to power.”

    It doesn’t have to be right. It doesn’t even have to make sense, as long as the Right People utter it.

  13. I call it “patriotic correctness.” It’s a full-throated, un-nuanced, uncompromising defense of American nationalism,

    No need to call it ‘patriotic correctness’ – that gives it more credit that it is due. It implies that there’s a difference between it and the PC of leftists when there isn’t one. Its the exact same shit with a different colored shirt on.

    Call it PC – but you won’t do that because you’ve still got this idea that the Progressive PC is ‘ok but misguided’ while those bitter clingers are just evil hypocrites.

    1. The citations for “patriotic correctness” amount to something David Frum once said. FREEDOM FRIES, and not buying Dixie Chicks records. Amusingly, the guy behind FREEDOM FRIES held the very foreign policy position Frum condemned as unpatriotic.

      1. I think a good example of ‘patriotic correctness’ is the now-universal appendage of a tiny American flag on every political shyster’s suit lapel. If I recall, some politicians have been taken to task when lack of the tiny American flag (probably made by Hun Chang Bauble and Fish Sauce Company, Shenzhen PRC) has been noted as missing from the lapel.

        1. Those individuals opted for abortions instead.

      2. amount to something David Frum once said.

        To be fair Canadian patriotic correctness is in many ways more annoying than American patriotic correctness.

        /”Canadians burned down the the White House”

        1. That would be a better line if it actually happened. There weren’t any Canadians involved, it was a British operation.

        2. Other way around; American troops burned down the Canadian capital. It was only as retribution for that that the British troops burned the White House.

          1. That’s the point guys (and why it’s in quotations), it’s a repeated Canadian nationalist comment that is entirely inaccurate.

        3. From a Canadian they are all wrong and annoyingly so, except the insulin claim. *fist pump*
          A list could be made from “2nd largest navy in the world” (convoy ships doth not a navy make) to invention of the zipper, to the radio…

  14. The president, to his credit, has consistently denounced the excesses of self-victimization on college campuses. Obama’s Education Department, however, was a big part of the problem?and one he stubbornly failed to correct throughout his time in office.

    Revealed preference Soave – please read up on it.

    Doesn’t matter what people *say* – watch what they *do* to see what they really support.

    I’m not going to start thinking Eric Holder is soft on drugs because his stance on the drug war softened after he was no longer in a position to do anything about it.

    1. ‘Doesn’t matter what people *say* – watch what they *do* to see what they really support.”

      or what they don’t support with enough conviction to risk political, financial, career etc. fallout

      Look at the IACP – most big city chiefs work in cities with liberal mayors who are pro gun control (more true 10 yrs ago than now but still)

      UNshockingly, IACP has historically been pretty hostile to RKBA

      and public prononciations by cop-o-crats have been the same – they aren’t going to piss off the mayor/city council that can in most cases fire them at will (police chiefs are usually appointments at will… no union protection 🙂 )

      Sheriffs been much more positive in public statements about RKBA

      now their jurisdictions tend to be more pro RKBA, since they more likely to cover rural , exurban and suburban areas more friendly to RKBA

      but also, they are elected so more willing to say what the public vs. a mayor wants them to say

      contrast with PATROL officers polled … in most polls over 90% support RKBA strongly…

      1. Sheriffs are also usually elected by the people.

  15. I find politeness to be less valuable than truth. And a person who supports punishing the truth because it’s impolite isn’t being polite, they are being authoritarian.

    1. *Hears something obviously false*

      “Yeah that’s one option….”

      Hola from MN!

      1. Jordan Peterson made this point explicitly in his debate and speaches against C-16 in Canada.

        Being accurate/factual is in almost all cases a higher “good” than being sensitive or polite

        consider that when Canada parliament passed hate speech laws , to include the “truth is not a defense” aspect, they ADMITTED they violated charter freedom of speech rights but justified it as OK to violate such freedoms for the HIGHER good of “civility”

        seriously

    2. “I find politeness to be less valuable than truth.”

      I find that people who win threads almost always do it with a simple, succinct utterance. Congratulations Lurk.

      1. He’ll change his tune the next time he hears “Does this make me look fat?”

    3. Punishing how? Noncoercive punishment isn’t authoritarian.

      If you’re fat, and someone tells you you’re fat 20 times a day, do you still have to associate with them to avoid being an authoritarian?

      1. Larry Summers impolitely suggested women may not make up 50% of stem for reasons other than sexism and was fired. There’s a million other examples. To these people facts are impolite and deserve punishment. I didn’t see Obama stopping the climate inquisition either so politeness is more of a lie.

  16. Obama’s Education Department, however, was a big part of the problem?and one he stubbornly failed to correct throughout his time in office

    Maybe he was just blowing smoke up the asses of the gullible with his “reasonable and measured” bullshit.

  17. Does this mean Lena called Robbie back?

  18. ‘Stubbornly failed to correct’ or purposely ignored. He’s talked a good game on a lot of issues (transparency, non-interventionism, civil liberties, etc.) and then has done the complete opposite. I think it’s on purpose. It explains why he is personally popular, but his policies are not.

  19. My advice to progressives like myself, and advice I give my daughters who are about to head off to college is don’t go around just looking for insults.

    And don’t try to use the force of government to avenge whatever insults you manage to find. This, for me, is what really separates obnoxious PC from mere whining.

    1. Absolutely correct. It’s not “be polite”. It’s “don’t say anything that I arbitrarily define as impolite or else I’ll pass a law to make you stop”. This makes all the difference in the world.

  20. The president, to his credit, has consistently denounced the excesses of self-victimization on college campuses. Obama’s Education Department, however, was a big part of the problem?and one he stubbornly failed to correct throughout his time in office.

    That’s a potent upgrade from the previous “to be sure”, which ran like this =

    The speech provides yet more evidence that Obama is a genuine proponent of free speech on campus, although his administration’s policies have not always reflected this stated commitment.

    Its so sad how his own people keep *failing* his noble and lofty rhetoric.

    1. “All persons fall short when measured to the divine.”

      -Repentant Prog

    2. something something “talk is cheap”.

  21. “Most people probably want to live in a country where people are encouraged not to scream obscenities at each other.

    The second definition of political correctness, according to Obama, is “hypersensitivity that ends up resulting in people not being able to express their opinions at all without someone suggesting they’re a victim.”

    Only the 2nd definition there relates to political correctness, Obama. The first statement is also known as not being an asshole and has nothing to do with the political correct non-sense.

    1. I didn’t see him scolding the people at anti-Trump rally’s which is the only mass movement I can think of people doing this recently other than ball games. Maybe BLM rally’s as well.

      Damn near the only people guilty of being non-PC by his definition are the purveyors of PC.

      It should be apparent that it’s the speech they want censored, not the method. They have no problem with any method that gives them what they want.

  22. They’re also not interested in being polite. It’s not polite to say his grandma is racist like most white people. It’s not polite to look at someone’s life work and tell them they didn’t build it. It damn sure isn’t polite to brand people racists or rapists without evidence. They couldn’t give a fuck about hateful speech against groups or ideologies they despise. The politeness excuse is only used when it’s about thier own team.

    PC is simply an attempt to rally thier coalition of people identified by superficial characteristics against a common enemy and shout them down so they don’t have to debate with reason.

    1. It’s not polite to say his grandma is racist like most white people. It’s not polite to look at someone’s life work and tell them they didn’t build it.

      I’ve always found that so laughable coming from him; black people, including his own father, didn’t give two shits about Barry Obama when he was a nobody. And without white people like his grandma, Obama would’ve been a nobody forever.

    2. It’s not polite to say his grandma is racist like most white people.

      You beat me to it. I saw this after essentially saying the same thing further down.

      And if this is how he really felt about his own grandmother for crying out loud, can you imagine how he probably feels about white people that he doesn’t even know at all?

  23. Black People constitute about 13% of the population. It is not all that surprising to see they don’t run the country.

    Say that in your sociology class and see what happens.

    1. Jewish people constitute an even tinier percentage of the population, and, while they do not run the country, they do exert a disproportionate degree of influence relative to their population. That’s because they generally value education, money and influence over the powerful a lot more on average than other groups do.

      1. They fill entire friggin supermarkets with Coke made with Zionist sucrose, too, and take great delight in making the gentile majority drink it.

        1. I thought that was the Reptile’s doing?

  24. I can’t really find anything in his statements to disagree with.

    1. Except that I don’t think anyone who uses the term “political correctness” has his first definition in mind.

    2. Obama is, and has been for years, a master of being extremely cautious with his words (and more than a little dishonest and disingenuous) when he knows that he is probably being listened to by a broad, diverse, and mainstream type of audience. In this sort of situation, he is one of the best and cleverest people I’ve ever seen at saying things that can be interpreted by different people in different ways depending on their viewpoint.

      But when he thinks that most aren’t really paying attention and he’s surrounded by nobody except his fellow radical leftists, that’s when he relaxes and lets the mask slip and suddenly his true and uncensored feelings start to come out that aren’t intended to be for general public consumption.

      1. I would bet my paycheck that he knew the questions in advance, and prepped answers with his team. He’s not a master of shit.

        He is just terrible at impromptu speaking. It is painful to listen to him umming and ahing when he has to say something not scripted. Recall that “You didn’t build that” came during a TV appearance, not some super secret leftist gathering.

    3. Obama’s prepared statements always sound good; the problem is what he actually does.

  25. Awesome, awesome, awesome stuff coming from the guy who called his own grandmother a “typical white person” over the public airwaves.

  26. it was reported that a Republican legislator wants to punish the University of Wisconsin for allowing a liberal professor to teach a class on “The Problem of Whiteness.”

    I commend the Republican legislator for his proposal. As a taxpayer, I don’t want to subsidize “educational” institutions spreading racism. Colleges that offer this kind of classes provide no social value. We, as a society, would be better off if they went out of business instead of brainwashing the youth as they do now.

    1. As a taxpayer I don’t want to subsidize most of the stupid shit that is subsidized. This silly class is one of them, but not even close to the top of the heap of garbage.

  27. I really don’t have a big problem with basic PC. If blacks as a group want to be called african-american, or whatever, fine. Same goes for Asians not liking the term “oriental” or midgets wanting to be called “little-people” (midget sounds way better IMO).But when these things metastasize into people being attacked for cultural appropriation for wearing an Indian (feather not dot) costume on halloween. Or when I’m yelled at by my progressive sister at Thanksgiving for saying I don’t think Caitlyn Jenner is a hero. I have a problem with that.

    Oh and right-wing PC totally exists. Just try saying the military is just another govt job, or being a politician who doesn’t wear a stupid little flag pin on your lapel.

    1. The military, like the police, is very patently not just another government job. But since your examples are not cultural and no one loses their job for your examples (apart from politicians, who know the deal going in and consented), it seems quite clear to me that they aren’t political correctness.

      1. Actually the military is the best example of government cronyism and the welfare state.

        1. Indeed. Military worship in this country is one of the few true PC parallels on the right. Most military personnel aren’t combat. It’s clerical workers, bureaucrats, and administrators at the DoD just like the DoE or DoWhatever. Even worse. I know an officer who did ROTC, got a non-combat job in which he’s basically a glorified accountant (who doesn’t know any actual accounting), got stationed in Europe, and basically he is a bureaucrat who takes lots of vacations, gets to retire at like 42 with a full salary, gets a bunch of fucking benefits, will never be anywhere near combat… but, oh yeah, he has to do some calisthenics occasionally. What a hero.

  28. There’s nothing polite and civil about political correctness. I’ve found that PC people are very uncivil.

  29. ‘Don’t Go Around Just Looking for Insults’

    And don’t go chasing waterfalls, either.

  30. Wrong. Political correctness IS a matter of Left vs. Right– and specifically, it’s overwhelmingly peculiar to the Left. Why? Because political correctness is about cultural issues. If the Right were going around shaming people for sinning, or not going to church, or being an atheist, that would be politically correct. But they are by accident on the high road here, because their opportunity to be politically correct is (ironically) barred by separation of church and state. Back when they could stick you in the stocks for public contradiction of societal morals or put a scarlet A on your clothing to brand you as an adulterer, the Right was politically correct. Not now.

    So, no, Mr. Soave. Your piece is a textbook example of false equivolence. The Right is guilty about things too– but not this.

    1. Yeah, progressivism basically serves all the functions of a religion for the left, like communism did before it. If it was formally treated as a religion, it wouldn’t be so bad, because it’s influence in public schools and government policy would be checked.

    2. Those people were the ideological ancestors of progressives, not “the right”.

    3. If the Right were going around shaming people for sinning, or not going to church, or being an atheist

      Historically, that’s what the Right was doing; not only that, they tried to punish people for such behavior.

  31. “….University of Wisconsin for allowing a liberal professor to teach a class on “The Problem of Whiteness.” ” If Barry is correct about PC cutting both ways, that would suggest that there are professors out there teaching about “The Problem of Blackness”. Or, “The Problem of Femaleness”. Not a snowball’s chance in hell that such courses would be in the curriculum. Not in the land of progressive political correctness. No, it’s not both ways, it is the tyranny of the left. It has been this way for decades. Obama has immersed himself in it it to the point that he doesn’t know that there’s anything else, except for , you know, those Rednecks.

    1. I feel like the question is “The Problem of Femaleness” okay as well. I believe so, the fact that it is not being taught is a fault of groupthink in the humanities.

  32. “This is a tricky issue,” Obama answered.

    YOU FUCKING LIAR!

  33. ” Just yesterday, it was reported that a Republican legislator wants to punish the University of Wisconsin for allowing a liberal professor to teach a class on “The Problem of Whiteness.” ”

    The University of Wisconsin is a state funded institution. The state has every right to limit what they are willing to pay for in terms of classes. If this were a private school,say, Oberlin, then it would be a “PC” or “Freedom of Speech” issue and should be off limits for the state to regulate.

    1. And it’s one flippin legislator, who won’t get anything passed, being cited as the example of conservative PC. You’d be hard pressed to find a university administration that didn’t serve as an example of leftist PC.

    2. Denying Bob Jones University funding for racism? Good. Denying University of Wisconsin funding for racism? Bad.

  34. Well… most conservatives I know personally don’t require a “safe space” nor are they easily “triggered”,
    They generally are more self reliant and possess a greater amount self responsibility then most progressives I know. Conservatives are easier to talk to truthfully about issues without worrying about triggering a PC attack as opposed to proggies.

  35. Why would any man sit like that? You have to move your shit up on top of your thighs, creating a horrid, wrinkly bulge.

  36. Fuck you Obama. PC is what got you elected twice. We are sick of your shit, and we are sick of your supporters shit. Go fuck yourself.

  37. I am not afraid to say it. Bush Jr. fucked up so bad, and Hillary was such an awful candidate that the DNC had no choice but to offer up this Uncle Tom. Gen X, and the Millennials totally ate up the propaganda. Even the Atheists fell for the A+ bullshit.
    I can’t wait until that cunt is out of office.

  38. Insufficient displays of patriotism among the patriotically correct can result in exclusion from public life and ruined careers.

    I’d love just one example please. Especially if it’s enshrined into law and public policy like hate speech, affirmative action and Title IX.

    Tu quoque works better when the quoque isn’t imaginary.

  39. Robby: “OMG! Guys, this means Obama’s one of us! Did you hear that? He hates PC too, he’s one of us! He was one of us all along!”

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  41. So his position on PC is to stop being progressive/liberal/democrat whatever?
    And what is this madness of actually defending your position with words and actual facts? (as opposed to NYT/wapo editorials)?
    Who is this person, and where was Obama at the time?

  42. too little, too late

  43. Just yesterday, it was reported that a Republican legislator wants to punish the University of Wisconsin for allowing a liberal professor to teach a class on “The Problem of Whiteness”.

    Wait–are you seriously suggesting that someone complaining about rampant PC being funded by taxpayers and forced onto unsuspecting students is the same as committing rampant PC that you’ve managed to have funded by taxpayers and forced onto unsuspecting students?

    Because that’s insane.

  44. President Obama: always says one thing, then does another.

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  49. “PC is not a left vs. right issue” – Oh, yes, it is. I grew up in Soviet Union and I can tell you that PC is the same thing as the “party line” as it was back in the USSR. Now, I’ve lived in NYC for 20 years and the feeling is the same: if you don’t want any troubles at work or at school – you keep your mouth shut. There is no difference I can observe between the left in the US and the Soviet commies: their narrative is the same and their hate for freedom loving libertarians as myself is the same as well. The liberalism is an oxymoron – their main idea of equality in consumption (vs equality in opportunity) will inevitably lead to totalitarian oppression and the history is a proof of this. So, let’s call PC for what it is – a totalitarian suppression of free speech instituted by the followers of totalitarian ideology.

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