Russian Ambassador to Turkey Shot Dead—Gunman Reportedly Yelled 'Revenge, Aleppo!'
Police shot and killed the gunman, who also reportedly yelled "Allahu akhbar."


The Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, was shot and killed at an art exhibition in Ankara. The unidentified gunman reportedly shouted "revenge, Aleppo!" and "allahu Akhbar" while shooting Karlov nine times before being killed by police.
Turkey and Russia have enjoyed improving relations since the fall of the Soviet Union, but have experienced tensions recently, especially over Russia's intervention in the Syrian civil war. The Turkish government has been intensely opposed to the regime of Bashar Assad, and has been accused of tacitly supporting ISIS before directly entering the conflict earlier this year.
In November 2015, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet, briefly leading to a diplomatic crisis. Russia President Vladimir Putin called it a "stab in the back" by "accomplices of terrorists." Russia imposed sanctions on Turkey in response to the action. In June, Turkey President Recep Erdogan apologized for the incident, beginning the process of renormalizing relations.
Turkey has suffered from a number of terrorist attacks in the last 14 months, most recently twin car bombings in Istanbul that killed 38 people and injured more than 150, for which a Kurdish militant group took responsibility. That group and ISIS have claimed responsibility or been blamed by the Turkish government for most of the terrorist attacks since last October.
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Shooter was an off duty police officer.
Aloha snack bar.
Time to get out of that hornet's nest now and forever.
We have the perfect excuse to leave and never come back. We are completely broke.
Hasn't stopped the USG yet.
Yeah I'm certain the Turkish government will issue denials, but the fact that a police officer carried out the attack, one that apparently escaped Erdogans purge no less, might cause Moscow to retaliate in it's own plausibly deniable way.
one that apparently escaped Erdogans purge no less
Erdogan didn't purge the Islamists, he purged the secularists...
^^^^THIS^^^^
In fact, I bet this guy was encouraged by what Edrogan has been doing, if not actually encouraged to do it....
I never said he purged Islamists. I said that this particular cop apparently had his file looked over and he was apparently considered to be one of the Erdogan regime's guys, unlike thousands of others.
My point is that this guy wasn't the sort who would've been purged.
Wow that was my point too!
I remember a time when you weren't a dick.
How am I being a dick? God damn, I remember a time when you weren't so sensitive.
How am I being a dick?
immediately after
Wow that was my point too!
Why the fuck do I even have to explain this?
Alright, let's recap:
So you make a point as though it somehow takes away from mine, which it doesn't in any way. I told you that. You double down. I playfully tell you that it still does not deviate from my point at all. You sense a deep unabiding butthurt. Sorry that I gave you tat impression, not my intention.
But you're still throwing in the occasional expletive to give me a sense of your anger and frustration. Just chill out and stop to think that maybe I'm not trying to smear or insult you. Since we both have been posting here a while and I've never done that to you. I can only think of a handful of people for whom I reserve dickheaded behavior.
Your analysis is missing one critical factor: what I said was meant to contribute to the discussion, not contradict/refute anything you said.
That certainly looks like an attempt at correcting my error...
In any case, sorry if I was a complete and total dickhead.
It seems like it may have been a misunderstanding all around. I wasn't trying to contradict you, and you were trying it clear that you agreed with me.
Well the Middle East was a marginally better place when the Ottomans were in charge. Could just be negatively correlated with the importance of oil to the global economy, though.
+84 protons and 126 neutrons
In that case I think everyone's missing the IMPORTANT question in this story.
Did the assassin get home safe??
No dogs were injured in the assassination of the ambassador.
heh, heh...
The unidentified gunman reportedly shouted "revenge, Aleppo!" and "allahu Akhbar" while shooting Karlov nine times before being killed by police.
the takeaway here is that Turkey has lax gun control.
"the takeaway here is that Turkey has lax gun control."
But pretty good marksmanship....
There's no such thing as blowback.
Depends on who you're blowing.
And how well you blow them in the first place.
Why am I not surprised a total fucking retard like you is a terrorist sympathizer?
Why am I not surprised to find you defending the stupidest ideas ever spun as propaganda.
Can I get a diaper change for Mikey?
Depends ?
ISWYDT
You forgot to mention how Muslims are subhuman apes incapable of rational thought.
"When you blow up foreigners, foreigners decide to blow up you."
"OMG HOW CAN YOU TAKE THE SIDE OF THE TERRORISTS?!"
"If you shoot that bazooka at that mountain, it will cause an avalanche that will come down on you."
"DAMN APOLOGIST, you WOULD side with the avalanche, now wouldn't you?!"
There's no such thing as blowback.
I find it annoying that so much foreign policy "analysis" boils down either to that maxim or its inverse, "everything is blowback for something" which is equally stupid.
"There is no such thing as blowback" is facilely disproved by the existence of grudges. "Everything is blowback for something" is facilely disproved by the existence of moral agency. Can we move on to examining motives, incentives, consequences, etc. and stop adhering to counterfactual maxims?
But it doesn't have to be an either / or, but denying that actions have consequences is just idiotic and will never lead to anything that remotely resembles a sane foreign policy.
I wasn't criticizing what you were saying, only using it as a springboard to make a larger point. I agree that ignoring the causal relationships is foolish; I'm also saying that not every action is a reaction (or at least, not solely so).
I came off more snippy than I intended.
What are you, a mohel?
The mohel slipped, and now he's a goil.
I'm also saying that not every action is a reaction (or at least, not solely so).
Almost no actions are purely reaction. Almost no actions are not reactions at all. (Not intending to contradict you here, just my little addition).
Outside of tightly controlled experiments, simple cause and effect relationships really don't exist. Especially when you are talking about why people do the things they do.
Look at Mr. Nuance over here!
locked breech?
The unidentified gunman reportedly shouted "revenge, Aleppo!"
Well, that leaves Johnson out as a suspect.
Thank you for helping to narrow gays during this time of holiday overeating. 😛
It's so beautiful...they should have sent a poet....
*sheds a single tear*
*strongly narrows gaze*
You know every time Aleppo is in the news, Gary goes "goddamnit" on the inside.
It'll find peace once it's wiped off the map.
He'll*
Gary, "As I was saying, what Aleppo?"
Yeah, that gaffe must have cost him at least thirty votes.
Gary who ?
Did the russian make a furtive movement?
Why did he yell "Hi, how are you?"
+1 Charlie Hill
(Native American Standup)
Was he singing "Abdul Abulbul Amir"?
Acosmist wins the thread.
:fedora tip:
m'latto
It's too bad we'll never know the shooter's motivation.
What, are we supposed to take them at their word? That's loser thinking.
My money is on workplace violence.
Closeted gay man
Climate change.
He voted for Trump.
Well, the mayor of Ankara is claiming, and I am not shitting you, that the assassin is a Gulenist and that his Aleppo comments (what is Aleppo?) are a diversion.
"Gulenist" refers to the followers of Gulen, an exiled Turk who criticized Erdogan who resides in Pennsylvania.
At least they didn't try to blame it on a YouTube video. That would be ridiculous.
What if it was a YouTube video of a Gulenist?!
And this officer apparently escaped the anti-Gulenist purge that swept the country's police forces. It just seems a little fishy. I half suspect Erdogan was behind it.
I half suspect Erdogan was behind it.
I see lots of that sentiment in the asylum that is the RT comment feed. What do you believe would be his motivation for such a thing, happening immediately before a big foreign ministers summit?
Not sure. But we're talking about a guy that there seems to be a great likelihood that he orchestrated a false coup for significant political gain. I don't pretend to have inside knowledge of the incentives at play.
You would think that a Russian Ambassador might have some actual Russian bodyguards. Not that they couldn't get caught off guard by this sort of thing, just that they would be the sort to immediately return fire.
But apparently that is not the case, the Ambassador was entirely at the mercy of the Turks.
I'd like to know if that has always been SOP for Russian diplomats in Turkey. And if not, when did it change, and who on the Russian side agreed to the change?
So, the assassin was working under the orders of an American? Obama must be pretty pissed about the hacking.
He was having domestic difficulties?
I've been told Allahu Akbar is just a way of saying "hello," or "Top O' the mornin guvnah" so it really doesn't mean anything. I'm thinking lone wolf, motivation crazy.
That's probably because it is. Sometimes certain phrases have different meanings depending on context. The vast majority of utterances of "allahu akbar" are not preludes to murder.
Excuse me if I'm missing the joke, but this "one thing cannot be another" stuff gets tiresome. It's quite possible, and quite likely that most terrorists are also screwed up people in other ways that might include being angry at employers or coworkers, being a self hating gay person, or just being fucking nuts. None of which makes an Islamic terrorist attack any less of an Islamic terrorist attack. But neither is it completely irrelevant or just excuse making.
It can also be a sort of PC genuflection - indicating that you are not a secularist or 'free thinker.'
Sort of like the same way progressives say they respect the Constitution.
Yeah, it can be. But I like to think that this is a place to look for sensible discussion of things where everything doesn't need to be spun or used as propaganda.
"Allahu Akbar" is something Muslim terrorists say. It's also a normal, friendly greeting or exclamation. Exactly the same as those annoying Christians who say "praise the Lord" all the time.
I don't know who this Al Lepo guy is, but clearly he's upset some people.
Chronic masturbation is a black hole of destruction that pulls in loved ones and friends.
What are you, my high school guidance counselor?
Yeah, Don't listen to what he says. False consciousness.
****warning. video of the assassination*****
Fake Newz he saw on the twitters?
In November 2015, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet, briefly leading to a diplomatic crisis
FB is freaking out over the assassination, but if they managed to avoid war after an actual military action, I think they'll manage to talk things through this time. But I expect Erdogan to use this as an excuse to further clamp down.
But I expect Erdogan to use this as an excuse to further clamp down.
Copy and paste after anything at all happens in Turkey.
I already have proggie friends blaming this on Trump.
Essentially, Trump being opposed to the U.S. accepting refugees has put people in the area in desperate straits.
The Obama administration on the other hand are powerless to do anything but helplessly watch the bearing of the poisoned fruit of Trump's perfidy.
Essentially, Trump being opposed to the U.S. accepting refugees has put people in the area in desperate straits.
And in their desperation they gun down ambassadors? How...no, never mind. It's not worth it.
They're wrong. It happened because of global warming.
which is all Exxon's fault.
RIP, pod AT-1.
Like Salon's story "Mr. Trump, do you know where your bombs are falling?"
Uh, Mr. Trump is a private citizen until his inauguration.
These are the same people who are also encouraging the bureaucracy to stonewall on briefing Trump's transition team. "Do you know where the bombs are falling? Ha ha, of course not, because we won't tell you!"
was that real? i couldn't find it the other day
Yes, sadly it is real.
Damnation. Yours works and everything.
Sometimes I even surprise myself.
she gets owned in the comments. thats nice.
I guess there is some hope.
That was a reply to DOOMco's comment about the Salon comments.
it works for SF too.
This is what 'fake news' is, right?
And the Anti-War left comes out of its eight year hibernation to suddenly pretend to care about wars.
Here.
Have they offered an explanation for that story? It seems hard to believe...
Lets's chalk it up to one of the Hillary Clinton State Department's many successes.
The degree to which Obama apologists act like he had no hand in any of this is astounding. This is what "smart" foreign policy looks like, apparently: foster a unending stream of crises then blame each one on somebody else.
That method works just fine for my wife's boss.
It's "smart" foreign policy in the sense that it plays well domestically...make it look like you're doing something, if what you're doing has negative consequences (say, arming and training Syrian anti-government groups) bury it and pretend it's just a sad state of affairs. If there's any kind of improvement, claim it as a response to your brilliant diplomacy. The national media and your sycophants eat that shit up, and all it does is make you seem entirely untrustworthy on the world stage.
Foreign policy, by and large, is 50% about domestic issues and 50% about foreign. One of the great failings of the last eight years is that the foregoing percentage was about 99% domestic.
about 99% domestic
More like 99% narcissistic. If it was 99% domestic, you'd expect isolationism, colonialism, or at least "carefully tailored intervention" a la the Barbary Pirates.
Focused on domestic issues.
I know; I'm saying that it doesn't make sense even from that metric. Unless our domestic issues happen to be "make sure the rest of the world is fucked up".
Which is how we should have dealt with the Taliban and maybe a little spill over into Iraq after 9/11. Just fucked some shit up, killed a few high ranking officials then get out with the promise to be back if they fuck with us again. A punitive raid.
Eh, you're probably right, but Russia's a lot less likely to react to Turkey shooting down planes who's mission was ~undoubtedly~ "see how close you can get before the Turks react" then they are to an ambassador getting assassinated.
I mean if Russia wasn't EXPECTING their planes to get shot down on their mission to get really, really close to the Turkish border they are just idiots.
Also, nobody is considering the possibility that Putin, or someone else within the Russian
mafia government wanted this guy dead.
I think it would be inappropriate to suggest that Hillary Clinton should be the next U.S. ambassador to Turkey.
. . . so I would never suggest anything like that.
Or Obama.
So this is a Putin plot to throw off the electors, right?
Or the Islamists!!11!!oneoneone!11eleventy!1
Dec 19, 2016 2:19 PM EST Minnesota cast 10 votes for Hillary Clinton after Muhammad Abdurrahan, a "faithless voter" refused to vote for her and was replaced by an alternate.
TRUMP'S MUSLIM COUP!
*head explodes*
LOBSTAH PLOT!
Dec 19, 2016 2:34 PM EST From the AP: "Maine Democratic elector casts vote for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders for president instead of Hillary Clinton."
Oops....
Dec 19, 2016 3:10 PM EST The Maine elector who voted for Bernie Sanders has his vote ruled "improper." He has switched the vote to Clinton.
Why do I suspect that Putin's reaction won't be "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Putin will no doubt call for a Turkish "reset button"
Wrong button. I think the button he will be looking for will read "launch" in Russian.
It's not. And this could well be the trigger of World War III.
The question is going to be how did this cop get to do what he did? The Turkish government has made common cause with ISIS against both the Syrian government and the Kurds. As such, the Turkish government has been sympathetic to the guys whom the Russians are bombing. And by sympathetic, I mean giving artillery support to them, and buying oil from them.
The Turks will likely want the investigation to blame the cop and the cop alone. But the Russians will likely want a more comprehensive and independent investigation. The Turks cannot agree to this, and the Russians cannot agree to a Turkish whitewash easily. Putin might accept it, but I can see him deciding that he cannot abide by it because it makes him look weak.
And then you have a confrontation much like the confrontation between Austria Hungary and Russia that sucked in the Germans and then the British and French into an expanding war. If the hostilities gain a military component (also not 100% likely if they get a confrontation), then the U.S. is required under the NATO treaty to go to Turkey's defense.
One little assasinatin can trigger a world war, get a grip.
+1 devastating typo.
That's not legitimate, Paul.
If Russia didn't go to war with Turkey when Turkey shot down a Russian plane last year, they won't over this.
Unless this was the last straw.
They probably won't over this incident. But enough incidents, and you get to that tipping point.
Maybe they will just arm the shit out of the Kurdish rebels. Or announce "Russia recognizes the independent country of Kurdistan".
Which is what we should have done in the first place, if intervene we must.
They won't go to war with Turkey because Turkey is a NATO member.
Nuke aside, Russia's not quite the power it's made out to be. Not that we should belligerent with them, but we also don't need to kowtow.
Wait, an ambassador getting killed in country is a big deal? Since when?
/Clinton apologists
*winces*
Ouch.
then the U.S. is required under the NATO treaty to go to Turkey's defense.
The left will be so full of snark in lecturing Trump about how this obligation works, I'm sure. My guess is the man will not care.
*the U.S. is required under the NATO treaty to go to Turkey's defense.*
If it's proven that the Turks instigated an aggression against Russia, NATO is not obligated to join them in their insanity. It's a defensive pact, not an obligation to join in wars started by member states against non-members. We didn't do anything when the Greeks & Turks were fighting over Cyprus.
Good point.
CNN headline: Killer: 'Do not forget Aleppo'
Secret Service giving Gay Jay a little extra love this morning?
Toxic Masculinity STRIKES AGAIN
I hope John Kerry calms everyone down.
Well if there is a war, I would like to extend open arms to all young, female Russian refugees looking for a home.
Now this is the type of policy I can get behind...if you know what I mean (wink-wink, nudge-nudge)
"She is a Chechnyan prostitute and you will address her as such!"
We don't need a war! We're coming to stay with you anyway. We'll definitely make you plenty of sandwiches.
It's time to put Article Five to the test.
If they are going to do it, then let's get it over with already.
But I honestly expect this to cause a kerfluffle and maybe some symbolic gestures, but nothing too serious.
I hope so.
Ditto.
+1 9/11
Alt text: TOO SOON!
Hey Ed!
Alt Text should have been your usual "shot by cop".
Good grief. What were you thinking!
*prolonged applause*
Damn I thought I was too late for anything. To get this, so late, is humbling.
I'm pretty sure that the shooter didn't intend there to be a comma in his statement. "Revenge Aleppo!" flows a lot better than, "Revenge, Aleppo!" which sounds like you're explaining the motivation for your action to some third party named "Aleppo."
AVENGE; ME!
"Remember (the Alamo)!"
Was he speaking English? Would taht distinction even matter in Arabic or Turkic or whatever he was speaking?
Now what?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....-dead.html
That's Angela Merkel's cheer squad van. They've dubbed it the "Schei?e Verdammt" van.
suicide lorries is weak tea
scratch that. 9 dead so far.
And now some misunderstood individual is driving his truck through the Christmas market in Berlin.
Russia, learning nothing from America, begins to suffer the consequences of blowback.
Russia invaded Afghanistan before it was cool!
FFS! Stop it!
http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....85111.html
Hope everyone is seeking refuge.
Hmm. Nothing about the shooter. I wonder, was it a Swiss person mad about the immigrants, or another Muslim who thought they were praying wrong or something?
The Swiss do not like to admit that they do have more shootin's than the article mentions. Details, if released, will be grudgingly so.
They're like America-armed.
OK, today cannot end soon enough.
That's it - I am calling the rest of December 19th off. Go home everyone, that is a fuckin' wrap!
You're the boss. Sounds good to me.
There's no fucking way that the American people are going to tolerate getting dragged into a full-on WW3 on the side of ISIS. We'll be sidelined fighting the Dhimmicrats at home before that happens.
Herself betrayed!
Dec 19, 2016 3:47 PM EST Four Democratic voters in Washington chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton, becoming "faithless" voters. Clinton took the other 8 votes in the state. Three Democratic electors have tried to be "faithless" by not voting for Clinton. One in Maine, one in Minnesota and one in Colorado. Those votes were changed and registered for Clinton.
THOSE WERE HER VOTES!
awesomeness
ISIS - right??
Faith Spotted Eagle?
WTF?
--- "Art exhibition"--- I would like to point out that this type of thing is why Muslim Performance Art will never be as hip as our degenerate western types, which usually involve the gratuitous use of public nudity, body paint or vaginas. Sometimes all at the same time.
Obama did promise reprisal for Russian's hacking of US election. Message send and received.
Let's get Habitat for Humanity on the case.
We need more of this kind of out of the box win/win/win type thinking. Where some might see a problem of millions of various Prog flavored losers whining over not winning an election while simultaneously wanting to celebrate "multi-culturalism", help muslim refugees and fulfill their promises to leave the country. Can we get Jon Stewart and the some of the others in the NY/CA-Hillary fan club in on this? I am already picturing some whole whacky Comedy Central/Stewart/Colbert "fake comedy news in exile" thing. Set in Istanbul/Constantinople?