Republicans Should Snuff Out Deadly Tobacco Rules

Deeming rules about vaping that go into effect August 2018 would have several unintended consequences


Republican U.S. House leaders last month sent a pointed letter to federal agency heads warning them against finalizing "midnight regulations"—last-minute rules approved during a lame-duck session, without full oversight and hearings. Hastily approved regulations, they wrote, could have "unintended consequences" that "will harm consumers and businesses."

That's a sensible warning, and a precursor to President-elect Donald Trump's promise to roll back counterproductive federal rules. But if the new president and Congress want a good specific place to start, they need not focus on the shady stuff rammed through by federal bureaucrats before the presidential transition. They can begin with a set of Food and Drug Administration (FDA) tobacco rules that have been moving ahead glacially and in full daylight, but which are so fraught with unintended consequences and so harmful to consumers and businesses that it's hard to understand how they got this far.

We're referring to the "deeming" rules the FDA approved last summer and which—barring an act of congressional or Trumpian intervention—will go into effect August 2018.

The final regulation deems some non-tobacco products as tobacco, thus giving the federal government broad authority to regulate and ban them. Those products include e-cigarettes, electronic devices that heat a flavored liquid and allow people to inhale the resulting vapor. The liquids are not made from tobacco, but usually contain nicotine. "Vaping" is proving to be one of the most effective means to break smokers of their dangerous habit, which explains why these rules are so dangerous.

That looming August 2018 date is crucial. E-cigarette companies must have their vaping devices and liquids tested and approved by the FDA by then to be legally allowed to sell them. As harm-reduction expert Christopher Russell argued in an op-ed in The Hill: "Experts have estimated that undertaking this research package to a good standard could cost a manufacturer at least $3 million per product it wishes to keep on the market." Each combination of liquid flavor, device and nicotine strength would require a separate test, and there's no guarantee of approval, he added.

Anti-smoking forces depict the vaping industry as a front for Big Tobacco, but the industry currently is dominated by small companies. These testing costs will put most of them out of business. So, Unintended Consequence number one: Federal rules designed to combat major tobacco companies will end up empowering them, given they are the only players with the kind of cash available to navigate the Rube-Goldberg-like FDA approval process.

The real danger, however, comes from Unintended Consequence number two: As Russell noted, studies show that a large percentage of "vapers" will return to cigarette smoking. Public Health England, the main British health agency, has been out front on this one. Vaping, it argues, is 95 percent safer than smoking combustible cigarettes. Policymakers should promote vaping as a means for "harm reduction." Vaping isn't entirely safe, but sensible public-health policy should focus on promoting safer alternatives rather than myopic abstinence.

Unintended Consequence number three: Devoted e-cigarette users will buy their products from overseas companies, and will deal with products manufactured according to heaven-knows-what standard. This will create black markets and an overall less safe situation.

The FDA's summary of its rulemaking includes this line: "FDA is taking this action to reduce the death and disease from tobacco products." The agency isn't the only group that uses that explanation to justify its attack on vaping products. California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) and the state legislature last session increased the tobacco smoking age to 21, which is designed to make it harder for teens—whose brains are more easily prone to addiction than adults—to get hooked on coffin nails. But the new law also raises the age to 21 for e-cigarettes.

Furthermore, California voters on November 8 approved a $2-a-pack increase in the cigarette tax and a similar increase in other tobacco products, such as cigars, dip, snuff, snus, etc. But the tax hike also applies to e-cigarettes. One can take issue with tobacco tax hikes for a variety of reasons (black markets, personal choice issues, etc.), but at least the intent is clear: raising prices creates a disincentive for buying those dangerous products. But then why increase taxes on a far less dangerous product? It makes no sense from a public-health standpoint.

The FDA approach manages to be even more noxious than California's ill-conceived approach toward e-cigarettes. At least with the California model, those adults trying desperately to quit their cigarette habit can still access vaping products—they just have to pay more for them. FDA's deeming rules could largely destroy the vaping industry, thus leaving vapers without that option—and with a very real need to get a nicotine fix.

It's hard not to see a puritanical bent here. Anti-smoking activists prefer that smokers go cold turkey or turn to a variety of medically approved cessation devices. But smokers often find vaping a satisfactory and enjoyable alternative. It works. Most studies show vaping to be a habit embraced mainly by former cigarette smokers. A study suggesting that vaping leads teens to begin cigarette smoking really just measures the number of teens likely to experiment, and provides little reason to doubt the overall benefits of the e-cigarette alternative.

In one example of sensible federal rulemaking, officials two decades ago abandoned their moralistic pretenses in dealing with the then-insoluble problem of teen pregnancy. They promoted birth control and safe-sex programs instead. Yes, most of us would prefer if teens waited until adulthood to become sexually active, but by focusing on harm reduction, policymakers helped create the latest good news. Teenage pregnancy rates now are at record lows.

Harm reduction has been a successful strategy in dealing with all manner of vice, from heroin addiction to HIV prevention. Yet state and federal officials are stuck in their old ways when it comes to the issue of tobacco use. Instead of treating e-cigarettes like real ones, the FDA should have passed rules that accounted for their potentially life-saving effects. They didn't, so now it's time for Congress and the new president to step in.

If they are looking for an example of federal rules that harm consumers and businesses and have deadly unintended consequences, they need look no further than the FDA deeming rules.


FDA crackdown should concern other innovative industries

On the FDA's webpage, Commissioner Robert M. Califf asserts "a successful FDA is a critical factor for better public health in this changing world" and that the organization is "committed to strengthening programs and policies that enable the agency to carry out its mission to protect and promote public health."

Of course, if the promotion of public health is the mission goal of the agency, one wonders how the regulatory approach delineated in the deeming rules fosters tobacco harm reduction for adult consumers. Indeed, even a cursory read of the nearly 150-page document evinces little to believe the FDA is interested in hewing to a consistent or rational policy of health promotion.

The text informs us the deeming rules were drafted in order to "reduce the death and disease from tobacco products." Excellent. But the FDA's insistence that it classify electronic cigarettes alongside their vastly more harmful cousins is baffling in light of the later claim that the "FDA recognizes that completely switching from combusted cigarettes to [electronic cigarettes] may reduce the risk of tobacco related disease for individuals currently using combusted tobacco products."

Perhaps more shocking, however, is the following statement:

Although FDA is not required to meet a particular public health standard to deem tobacco products, regulation of the newly deemed products will be beneficial to public health… Over time, since the "appropriate for the protection of the public health" standard involves comparison to the general tobacco product market, FDA believes the employment of the premarket authorities could create incentives for producers to develop products that are less dangerous when consumed, less likely to lead to initiation of tobacco use, and/or easier to quit.

If you are rubbing your eyes in disbelief, stop. You read this correctly. The FDA here is claiming they've set no public-health standard when it comes to regulating e-cigarettes, among other things, preemptively. This renders the FDA's equivalency between all tobacco products contradictory. From a public health standpoint, the FDA's purposeful obscurantism is far worse; it's downright harmful.

In the absence of a standard, the crusade against tobacco products continues as long as the FDA wishes. While the tobacco giants and the thousands of small-business vape shops around the country have few public defenders, whenever the government justifies regulatory overreach on such slippery pretenses, it behooves all industries in America to step in and say something. Kicking around tobacco these days is fashionable; and the facility with which imprecise justification is used to strangle the industry is enticing for anyone looking to score easy points. Watch out Silicon Valley, you're next.

This column originally appeared at InsideSources.com.

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  1. But then why increase taxes on a far less dangerous product?


    1. “Blame me not,” said the scorpion, in a supplicatory tone, “it is not my fault; it is that of my nature; it is a constitutional habit I have of stinging.”

      1. It’s sad, but pretty much anyone who wants to be a politician should be rejected for the job based on that desire alone.

        1. gov’t by phonebook&darts makes more sense every day.

      2. Or, you might say, an anti-Constitutional habit.

  2. “which are so fraught with unintended consequences and so harmful to consumers and businesses that it’s hard to understand how they got this far.”

    Umm, the same way that all of the other stuff with unintended consequences harmful to consumers got passed? Almost everything they come up with and pass fits that description. It’s almost enough to make one think that our elected ‘public servants’ don’t give a shit about the general pubic and are just in it for themselves.

    1. Oh, they care about the “general pubic” all right.

  3. Anti-smoking forces depict the vaping industry as a front for Big Tobacco

    Those diabolical Big Tobacco bastards.

    1. The nerve of them, making a product that uses no tobacco and helps people quit using tobacco!

      1. They’re getting people hooked on the arm motions and 5 minute breaks. That’s a slippery cigarette slope, is what that is.

        1. Eman – exactly. They are just getting a new generation of youth to eventually turn to cigarettes.

    2. Anti-smoking forces depict the vaping industry as a front for Big Tobacco

      The obvious conclusion is that those “anti-smoking forces” are a front for Big Tobacco.

      Hmmmm…. and now that I think about it, wasn’t part of the big tobacco settlement a requirement that the big tobacco companies fund anti-smoking campaigns? Maybe the connection isn’t all that opaque.

      1. By anti-smoking campaigns, they mean silly ads made by leftist organizations practicing their propaganda production, not a useful product that helps real people quit smoking.

        1. Ain’t that the truth?

        2. At least in California, a lot of the “anti-smoking” campaign commercials never even mention smoking or its dangers per se — they’re all about how evil the tobacco companies are.

          I can never figure out how these even qualify for the (absurdly overfunded) anti-smoking dollars — how does a commercial telling you tobacco company executives are monsters do anything to reduce smoking? These are people producing a legal product. Can you imagine the freakout these same anti-tobacco-exec crusaders would have if you somehow portrayed marijuana growers as insidious devils?

          Final note — can we please stop having new taxes that contribute money towards stop-smoking public awareness campaigns? Does anyone really think there’s anyone out there anymore who doesn’t know smoking is dangerous? For crying out loud, if you just have to spend the money, but can only attack tobacco execs because you just can’t come up with anything else, perhaps it’s time to reallocate those funds (or eliminate the tax altogether). If you want to help people stop smoking in this day and age, take that money to give people discounts towards nicorette gum, patches, wellbutrin, classes or online cessation programs.

          1. But the money funds advertising and PR people with connections to Democrat politicians, who then contribute money to Democrat politicians

        3. If anything, those ads just make people want to smoke MORE. I think a lot of them were purposefully made to be as annoying as possible.

    3. “Big Tobacco” is the most overblown myth the left came up with before AGW. It’s like they used it for practice.

      1. Or maybe it was the “widespread grass-roots demand” for campaign finance reform.

  4. The text informs us the deeming rules were drafted in order to “reduce the death and disease from tobacco products.” Excellent.

    But completely irrelevant to “public health”. If you accept the goalpost-moving that got us to the point, you have to support any and all measures to keep us “safe”.

  5. Would, right in the kisser!

    1. Phrasing!

      1. ‘Lip stick on my penis makes me happy’.

        1. What’s better than roses on your piano?

          1. That euphemism… totally makes sense.

    2. Would? Am I missing a pic?

      1. Oh boy, are you ever!

  6. Just how flexible is the “deeming” power of the FDA (or any other regulatory agency)? Can they deem tobacco to be heroin, Cheetos to be child pornography, bacon to be a tactical nuclear weapon? We all know they can deem ketchup to be a vegetable and marijuana to be a Schedule 1 drug – why not deem anything they don’t like to be an illegal substance?

    1. With faith in government all bad outcomes are possible.

    2. The EPA has deemed carbon to be a pollutant, so I’m gonna go with yes for all of those.

      “marijuana to be a Schedule 1 drug”

      Testosterone is a scheduled drug. It’s fucking hormone. They were trying to put Kratom, a virtually harmless tree leaf on schedule one. Is there any more proof of the idiocy of these agencies needed? Not for me.

      1. So, if testosterone is a scheduled drug, then I guess that would explain the myth about xenoestrogens in food and water. Some “Alex Jones” types claim that the government is putting estrogen into food and water to make men less manly. It makes sense. Why is estrogen not scheduled? That’s a clear case of sexism, right there!

  7. Too good to pass up (paywalled, but the headline gets the point across):

    “Dan Rather on fake news, the power of truth, and our bright future”

    Suffice to say, the Chron interviews Rather on the ‘current epidemic of fake news’, mentions that he left the network “under a cloud”, since “his sources couldn’t be independently verified”
    So we have a newspaper generating fake news about a guy who peddled fake news, griping about fake news.

    1. As the star of Veep put it: Fake, fake, fake, fake.

    2. The term ‘fake news’ can be applied to almost all [ all? ] drug scares peddled by the news media.

    3. They’re abusing the word “epidemic”, too?

    4. From the photo caption from the linked article:

      SAIGON – JANUARY 1: CBS newsman, Dan Rather reporting while under fire in Vietham in 1966. (Photo by CBS via Getty Images)

      Vietham? Fake country! Fake news!

    5. First Bryan Williams now Dan Rather. They are like our troll Dajjal, laugh in your face and tell you they are liars before telling another big whopper and then chastising you for not believing them. Who is next? Jayson Blair?

      1. “I did not have sex with that woman!”

    6. And the left’s love affair with old white people continues.

      1. They do hate them some Thomas Sowell, though.

    7. Yeah, Rather’s story was essentially correct and it got canned because of political pressure, but– yeah– essentially it belongs in the same category as stories about HRC’s Parkinson’s Disease.

      1. Sure, it was political pressure that got it shitcanned, and not the forged documents that the entire story hinged on…fucking moron.

  8. I laugh every time I hear the words, “Big Tobacco”. The government created that beast. There are reasons you don’t hear of Lil’ Tobacco and it is not due to lack of demand for different products or entrepreneurs wanting to provide it. You can’t just decide to start a boutique tobacco company. It would take years of hurdles and mountains of funds to get a product to market, if you could even accomplish that. American Spirit is Camel because they are one of the only ones allowed in the tobacco marketplace.

    1. Just because the government rakes in billions of dollars in sin-taxes every year doesn’t mean it’s totally in bed with Big Tobacco or anything. I mean that would just be crazy.

    2. I prefer to use the terms “Big Government” and “Small [insert name of industry here].

  9. Vaping isn’t entirely safe

    Understatement of the year – congrats! Vaping triggers nicotene addiction and it has been proved to cause heart disease and affects the developing brain. These are perfectly reasonable restrictions as would be obvious for anyone who is not a big tobacco shill.

    1. Yes! And think of it too “nicotene”. Say it aloud – nico-TEEN. They are targeting teenagers!

      I learn a lot from you, AddictionMyth.

          1. Hey BP – what is “Baked Penguin” supposed to mean?

            1. it’s like Baked Alaska, but less counter-intuitive because it’s a bird, which people commonly bake.

      1. Fun fact: nicotine is a form of a b-vitamin formerly known as nicotinic acid. The name was changed to niacin because there was concern people would freak out about “nicotine acid, awwwgh!” in food.

        1. Nicotine and nicotonic acid are two different chemicals–nicotine is C10H14N2, niacin is C6NH5O2. They have somewhat similar structures, but nicotine is definitely not the same as niacin, or a vitamin.

      1. Hey BP – have some respect for your CREATOR.

    2. Where has this been proven?

    3. “Understatement of the year – congrats! Vaping triggers nicotene addiction and it has been proved to cause heart disease and affects the developing brain. These are perfectly reasonable restrictions as would be obvious for anyone who is not a big tobacco shill.”

      To the extent that 1 study of 24 adults “proves” anything sure. Regardless I don’t give 2 fucks if you think it is “safe” or not. I’ll decide what risks are appropriate for me rather than let 535 corrupt sociopaths in DC and a Reason troll do it for me. I don’t even vape but It is my decision to decide what risks I am willing to take with my own body. It is not up to busybody fascists such as yourself.

      1. Btw a study that I will add did not identify any actual long term dangers of vaping. All this mickey mouse study showed is that there is some immediate stiffening of the aorta something that also happens with caffeine without any negative long term affects. Hey maybe every new latte Starbucks comes out with should go through a multi million dollar approval process to?

        1. Please don’t give them any ideas.

          1. If you know a better way to start the transformation of Starbucks into a strip joint franchise, I’d like to hear it.

        2. When they sell harmful products with hiding or purposely downplaying the harm, you can think that it is your decision, but addiction is really not your decision, hence why it is called addiction. It literally rewires your brain. Look at the opiate addiction epidemic in this country. People think they want the drugs to help with the pain, even though the body develops a tolerance and drugs are not as effective as they were to block the pain receptors in the brain. Prescription opiates became the answer to all pain for everyone, which was decided by JCAHO to be the “sixth sense”, and hospitals and physicians were getting surveyed based on patient satisfaction. Patients to this day will blast providers on line for not handing out oxy every time they have back pain or a toothache, and now we have an alarming number of people hooked on pain meds that turn to heroin, fueling an even larger epidemic. I know this site is a fan of free markets, which I mostly am, but we have to know where to draw the line. We cannot just let anyone sell any snake oil or actual poison with no limitations or laws, and just expect the average uneducated person to know better or to make their own choices, especially when said choices are not truly free will.

    4. A lot of the vaping shit is nicotine free, and you can buy the same flavors with whatever amount of nicotine you want so you can taper down. Do you also claim O’Douls will turn you into an alcoholic? Do you believe most people new to smoking or vaping are really going to opt for the nicotine containing flavors when they know they can get the same thing without an additional poisonous addictive chemical?

  10. Speaking of conflicts of interest… has anybody pointed out the “unfortunate optics” of NBC running ExxonMobil ads during Meet the Press?

    Also- Very disappointed Priebus didn’t call that NYT “election hacking” story out as teh Fake Nooze.

  11. Serious question about the Tillerson article yesterday:

    Why are they letting Robby write articles about foreign policy? The guy is clearly out of his depth. ‘A businessman who makes vastly beneficial deals with Russia was awarded THE RUSSIAN ORDER OF FRIENDSHIP’. ‘We need to lift sanctions for feel-good reasons not feel-bad ones.’ This isn’t a college campus where he can muse on how the feelings of students are valid but their positions are not. Foreign policy is all about trade-offs and imperfect solutions. Exxon would benefit from the end of sanctions regardless of whether Tillerman is in power. But Soave wants the sanctions lifted, but only for philosophical reasons, if a ‘mega-corporation’ benefits than suddenly it’s a doorway to ‘crony capitalism’, despite those deals occurring anyway.

    Jesus, it’s like a dumber Richman.

    1. Valid points.

  12. Soave has no credibility whatsoever on any topic, as far as I’m concerned. He’d provide more value to “society” wrangling shopping carts at Walmart.

    1. He is the commentariat’s version of Ric Flair.

      *holds up four fingers*


  13. In this undated photo, young Sevo relaxes with some chums.

    “Say fellas, hows bouts we goes to toidy toid street and gets us some news onions for ours belts.”

    I found that pic days ago and just had to share it.

    1. Nice find, Sevo is indeed a gentleman and a scholar. Are you the one on the left?

      1. No, but if I had lived back then, I would have indeed smoked a pipe when not shouting “extra!, extra! new iron horse reaches 41 miles per hour!”

    2. Hey, that’s a good Cuban from before Castro ruined them!

  14. The incarnation of progism- A morbidly-obese lesbian in a skin-tight suit that has “fuck white people” written on it dozens of times:


    So brave, much woke

    1. Ye gads, what is that thing? It’s not human.

      1. Yeah, I get the feeling it became ‘genderqueer’ because no one was particularly interested in its actual gender.

        1. What is it about the word “fuck” that the extreme left thinks is so clever right now?

          Good grief people, movies intended for kids say ‘fuck’ in them these days. Hey, self-congratulatory progs, you’re not Lenny Bruce breaking new boundaries. You just look and sound stupid.

          If anything changes in a Trump world, I hope it’s far less coddling for anyone who thinks that all it takes to be an ‘artist’ is ‘say’ you’re an artist, and prove it by coloring your hair or wearing funny clothes (and of course, to claim you should be highly respected and given a free live-work studio in the hip part of town.)

      2. Genetic engineering, things that can go wrong.

        1. No wonder some people are so afraid of CRISPR editing of human genes. The androgynous thing wrapped in newspaper is quite frightening.

    2. That suit isn’t skin-tight.

      1. Its skin drapes over the rolls of fat in the same fashion

      2. The laws of math don’t allow it with current materials. Maybe some sort of hybrid graphene might work, I certainly don’t want to find out.

    3. Would (‘nt).

      1. Wow, they’re fakes. I was starting to admire Trump there for a minute.

      2. I can only imagine what would have happened if people published such spoof photos of Barack Obama.

        Hell, remember “Mirth & Girth”?

      3. *YAWN* “Transgressive art” fail.

    4. The part about it absorbing the responses made me lol.

    5. Is it just me, or is most “progressive” art nothing but pointless vulgarity and juvenile attempts at shock value?

      1. A lot of “art” schools no longer teach concepts such as perspective, proportion, etc.

        So I’d say yes.

        1. A painting I saw in the Boston Museum of Fine Art was nothing but a 4ft by 8ft white canvas. Maybe it had some chrome cylinders at each edge. Truly thought provoking work.

    6. It should take up Water-Boarding…. as a solo sport.

    1. Don’t be so goddam smug. I mean, who could have predicted this?

      1. CNN just reported that the reason the restaurant had to close it’s doors is because Putin hacked their menu.

    2. Long lines at a marxist restaurant that serves bread. I see.

      1. But that means it’s a good thing, according to crazy Uncle Bernie:

        “You know, it’s funny. Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is when people are lining up for food. That’s a good thing. In other countries, people don’t line up for food. The rich get the food and the poor starve to death.”

        1. Jesus Christ, did he really say that?

        2. Socialist countries are plagued by deadly famines while the US has virtually eradicated death from hunger. Sanders seems to be implying the exact opposite.

        3. Perfect exposition of the socialist false dichotomy. While what he says is true as far as it goes — given that there is a food shortage, it is better to have it distributed equally — he’s missing the point that socialist policies were what caused the USSR’s food shortages in the first place, and while capitalism does produce unequal distribution, it also prevents food shortages.

          As Thatcher said, the socialists have no concept of how wealth is created, they only concern themselves with its redistribution.

    3. “I’ll take really stupid ideas for $800, Alex.”

    4. So the food tasting like dirt didn’t turn away any customers…?

    5. “Marxist Vegan Restaurant Closes After Customers No Longer Willing to Wait 40 Minutes for a Sandwich”

      Commie-kid joins the un-employed!

      1. Commie-kid joins the un-employed liberated from the bonds of wage slavery!

    6. It turns out, in a shocking revelation to the store’s management, that those Soviet bread lines were a bug, not a feature of Communism.


    7. AmSoc had a restaurant?


    I’m Jill Stein, and I approve this message.

        1. Damn, shreek, you sound like a blubbering fool today, what … oh wait, you always sound like a blubbering fool.

          1. It’ll be ok, hype. There, there.

    1. +1 Seymour Krelborn

  16. Man Fired From His Job After Calling Gatlinburg Fire Victims ‘Trump-Suckin’ Pond Scum’

    A local Alabama man was fired from his job after posting a Facebook tantrum rife with obscenities about the victims of the deadly Gatlinburg wildfire.

    Coleman Bonner of Wessignton, Alabama, called the people of Gatlinburg “mouth-breathing, toothless, diabetic, cousin-humpin,’ mountain-dew chugging, moon-pie-munchin,’ pall-mall smoking,’ Trump-suckin’ pond scum,” and then in parenthesis stated that he “chuckles, and smiles like the smarmy liberal elitist I am.”

    1. “Following immense social media backlash, his employer, Express Oil Change and Tire Engineers, fired him.”

      Yep, elitist for sure. Also not much into the grooming thing judging by the picture.

      1. I think its funny that some unkempt fat dude who works in a tire-shop in Alabama would see himself as a liberal elitist. He’d fit right in @ brunch with the hipsters.

        1. But, he voted for Obama twice, that automagically transforms you into a super intellectual elitist! I’m sure his next job will be writing for a Science journal.

        2. Well, he does have a punch-face.

        3. In his defense most of the liberal elitists in the south make Michael Moore look like James Bond.

      2. “Liberal elite”. Well, now he’s just a fat unemployed Southern white man.

    2. Hey, without a job, he’s not going to find himself involved in ‘consumerism’, so I’m sure he’s pleased.

    3. In his defense, they were probably Tennessee fans.

  17. Trumpers in the Mist: Van Jones journeys to the deepest recesses of Ohio in search of the mysterious Trump-voting Democrats


  18. I knew this kid who starting vaping in high school and then he got addicted and starting smoking and drinking and then he became a handsome and successful oil industry executive and ended up killing himself with xanax and booze in his 50’s.

    And it all started with vaping. Remember kids – not even once!

      1. I knew this kid who started vaping in high school and then he became a successful singer and now he spams the comment boards with videos of his greatest hits:

      2. Are you going to be obnoxious and post the same fucking link every time the “AddictionMyth” handle shows up? We get it.

        1. Not clicking. How does it work?

          1. I don’t click the links; it’s responding to every fucking post the troll makes that’s annoying.

        2. Ted – I’ve been doing it. It’s the only response he deserves.

          gaoxiaen – it’s a link to the Herp Derp song on youtube.

  19. Amanda Marcotte lower life expectancy is correlated to economic recovery:

    “When looking at the increase in mortality, remember that’s correlated more with economic recovery than recession.”

    Well, glad there was a pony in that shit heap.

    1. Well, Marcotte could be a Nobel Prize winning economist, after all, Paul Krugman is and his understanding of economics is about the same level.

    2. You’re saying…. Amanda Marcotte will die sooner if the economy improves?

      1. Only if she ways more than a duck.

        1. *weighs*

          I grew up in WV, OK? Sometimes it’s hard to ‘member th’ book larnin’ and th’ spellin’ and the what-have-you.
          Be back later bud. I’m goin’ to maik sang-gree-yuh in th’ terlet.

          1. I lived in the midwest for 15 years and their butchery of English grammar is a little crazy. If you’re around them enough, you start doing it also. I never picked up the habit of saying ‘warsh’ instead of wash, but the thing I still occasionally have to stop and catch myself at is past tense like ‘have done’ or ‘did’. They’ll say things like ‘I have did it’ or ‘I done it’. And they all do it, even the most highly educated ones. One thing that they do that drives me crazy is to say things like ‘You moving out of state, are you?’ or ‘Did you you warsh your truck, did you?’.

            1. I live in semi-rural Ohio, and the weirdest thing I’ve observed is the tacking on of unnecessary prepositions.

              “Where’s my coat at?”

              “Where did you get that from?”

              1. Oh yeah, I was born in and later in my life lived in Ohio.

            2. I grew up in North Carolina and then in Texas. When I was seven, we moved to New Castle, Indiana and I swear that was the first time I ever noticed people had an accent. I hated it.

              wash= warsh
              push = poosh
              cycle= sickle

              These people all sounded like hillbillies.

              1. The other thing they do in Indiana is that roof is not pronounced with the long U sound, but the short U sound.

              2. My mom said “warsh” an “Chicargo”, and she grew up in New York.

            3. Two of my favorite southernisms – the word “him” pronounced “eem”, and the phrase “up there” as “up air”.

              “Go up air an’ tell eem!”

  20. But stealth-banning E-cigs and causing people to switch to regular cigarettes will make the stats look like vaping leads to smoking, thereby retroactively justifying the FDA’s ban/regulations.

    3D chess, motherfuckers.

  21. Finally got around to reading the “L A Musician and His Tiny Houses” post. Excellent; more of this, please.

    This gem was there:

    If the city won’t devote any resources to supporting novel solutions, Summers urges officials at least to make it easier for private organizations and individuals like him to pave the way forward. The city owns thousands of vacant lots, many of which have been abandoned for decades, that could provide sites for tiny house villages or other innovative housing concepts that can have an immediate impact.

    “Everything that they have been doing doesn’t work. It’s just years of circles and bureaucratic holds and wait times,” says Summers. “10, 20, 30, 40 years?where’s all the housing?”

    And this is the best most positive thing I see about Trump. He has been living in a world with meaningful feedback for decades. Profits (EEEEEEEVUL EEEEVUL PROFITS, Robby!) tell you pretty much everything you need to know about what you’re doing. If you can’t make money doing what you’re doing, stop doing it and try something different.

    But if you’re from the government, you don’t need profits derived from voluntary economic exchanges. You just stick your gun in your constituents’ faces, and force them to throw more of their money in the hole.

    Maybe reason should take the money they squander on their Teen Beat reporter and hire somebody who understands that.

    1. The ‘problem’ is not addressed with cheap boxes you can live in; you need to find “free” locations for them.
      Pretty sure most everyone here knows there is no “free” anything, let alone land in urban areas.
      Shorter article: “Whiny musician whines”.

      1. “Cheap” is good enough. Especially if we’re talking about movable houses and vacant land.

        Rent 20 square ft spots by the month, paid up front, while you’re figure out what you want to do with the land / wait for building permits to clear. Once you do, everyone’s got 30 days to move their house elsewhere.

        Probably tons of reasons it wouldn’t work well in practice, but “free” isn’t a necessity here.

        1. “Probably tons of reasons it wouldn’t work well in practice, but “free” isn’t a necessity here.”

          It is if you’re asking me to pay for a deadbeat.

        2. One big reason that would never work is that the “compassionate” “progressives” would raise hell to the city council if there were a camp for homeless people in their neighborhood.

    2. Summers doesnt understand that the city has no interest in helping people or solving problems. What they care about is soaking tax payers and pocketing the money for themselves and their cronies. They talk a lot and waive their hands around pretending to care and to do something and then demand more money to solve ‘intractable’ problems, problems they actively make worse.

      The guy is just beating his head against a wall.

  22. Egyptian church bombed; dozens killed.


    1. There was just an attack in Turkey as well. I think that one was car bombs.

    2. We should just nuke them. Seriously.

    3. Muslims are still the religion of peace. Obama said so. And Christians do much worse. Just ask shreek here what they do in Dogdick, poor shreek has to hide from the Christian Tealiban 24/7.

    4. Religion of Peace.

    5. The dastardly Amish struck again? Dammit.

      1. Or was it the Mormons this time?

        1. Amish Jackmormons.

  23. So… how are my little anarcho-frankentrumpkensteins doing this fine morning?

  24. Cute how OPEC is suddenly getting serious about restricting production.

    1. It couldn’t happen to a better guy. I mean that literally – useful human beings are no longer up for such awards.

    2. Well, he is French, isn’t he?

      1. Only spiritually.

        I think it would be funny if someone asked him, “do you plan to throw this one back too?”

    3. We absolutely should not have a Secretary of State who has won an award from another country.

      Oh wait, it’s ok if it’s France, right?

      1. It only counts if it’s a country capable of winning a war.

  25. Shorter article: “Whiny musician whines”.

    I guess I missed the part where he showed up on somebody’s doorstep with a gun and said, “I’m from the government. I’m here to help.”

    1. “I guess I missed the part where he showed up on somebody’s doorstep with a gun and said, “I’m from the government. I’m here to help.””

      You seemed to have missed the part where he wants to put those things on “free” land, didn’t you?

  26. file under: no. just no.

    Even Little Kids Are Protesting Trump: Here’s How to Keep Them Safe on the Frontlines
    Activist moms explain how to protest with your babies in tow.

    You’ll find comfort in surrounding yourself with like-minded people as well as demonstrate for your children that your values are shared by thousands of others.

    Those brains won’t wash themselves.

    “Kids are great. You can teach ’em to hate you hate and they practically raise themselves.”
    -Homer Simpson

    1. What a swamp of derp. I don’t know how you do it.

      1. Derp is my passion and profession.

    2. “I’m woker than you!”

    3. These are the same people who fuck up their kids with gender nonsense just to kick up their ability to social signal.

        1. It’s so woke in here I’m sick of all the woke.

        2. Sorry. You won’t guilt me into a movie and dinner.

        3. “You can’t control who you’re attracted to”

          No shit, Sherlock? Why would anyone want to even try? I’ve always been more attracted to curvy women (not fat), and Latin women. That’s what I like, so why would I want to change that? Pizz off!

    4. People using their kids as political props pisses me off, even if it’s libertarians doing it. Sure, it’s fine to teach them about political questions that affect them when they’re in their late teens (assuming that they’re mature enough to think about such issues rationally). But for fuck’s sake, when they’re young, they should be riding bikes and playing with Legos, not wading through the toxic cesspool of politics.

      1. I know a guy who has some of the same clients I do and he told me that his kids came home terrified the day after the election. The teacher apparently told the kids that Trump’s going to deport them because of their nationality (they’re citizens). I told him that if it were my kids I’d have to cool down for at least a few day before going in and verbally tearing that teacher a new one.

        1. That’s shitty.

          I think schools have been operating as leftist indoctrination centers for decades, but hell, at least when I was in school (I graduated in ’06) the teachers would quickly rebuff any questions from students regarding their views on current political matters.

          1. It’s worse than shitty, it’s incompetence to the extreme. Citizens cannot be deported for any reason, unless it can be proven that they gained citizenship through fraud. What other pure bullshit is this teacher feeding to these children? The teacher should be fired for that and should never be allowed to teach again.

          2. when I was in school (I graduated in ’06)

            Are you talking high school or college?

            1. High school.

              Yes, I know, I’m technically part of the dreaded “millennial” demographic, but seriously, I have almost nothing in common with *those people*.

              1. Good to hear.

                But, fuck, I’m old.

                1. You think you’re old? Get off my lawn!

              2. I’m technically part of the dreaded “millennial” demographic

                *reports spam*

              3. At least now we know who to get to translate the next Suave post.

                1. You referring to Robby’s shampoo?

      2. Sorry bro, you’re wrong. That the 2 year old kid at the park with the Operation Ivy shirt is just expressing himself.

  27. Activist moms explain how to protest with your babies in tow.

    Babies as lifestyle accessories; awesome.

  28. I’m guessing they’ve been looking for a reason

    1. Too bad it’s only an urban legend that she did porn.

    2. Acord-Whiting shared a screenshot of an expletive-laden private message that Olsen reportedly sent him on Facebook

      So brave.

    3. Cindy’s out of control!

  29. You seemed to have missed the part where he wants to put those things on “free” land, didn’t you?

    I saw this part: Most of Summers’s tiny houses are on private land that has been donated to the project. A handful had replaced the tents that have proliferated on freeway overpasses in the city. Summers put them there until he could secure a private lot to create a tiny house village .

    If he was running around advocating for private property owners to “host” these contraptions by force, I’d be opposed. If he can come to a mutually acceptable agreement with private owners, more power to him. As for the ones on city property, if they are in violation of the law, they should not bother to act surprised when they are
    removed. Squatters under the overpasses generally travel light for a reason.

  30. My original point about Tiny House Man was the ability of government officials to fail, over and over, harder every time, because they are immune to meaningful feedback effects.

    Trump has demonstrated an ability and willingness to pull the fucking plug on something that’s not working.

    1. If Tiny House Man wins his battle, then the city will slap so many taxes on the tiny houses that the people in need of them won’t be able to afford it. Bureaucrats do not like their stupidity being exposed and then losing.

  31. I lived in the midwest for 15 years and their butchery of English grammar is a little crazy.

    I like the ones who use “them” and “him” in place of “they” and “he”.

    As in: “Them are goin tuh the Colts game.”

    1. what always gets me is the “needs x” vs “needs to be x”

      i.e. “the tire needs replaced”

      1. Needs replacin. I always saw it as a sort of lazy speak. Just say something in a way that requires the least amount of effort.

    2. I also spent some time in rural Appalachia and they had their own interesting lingo. Like the word hain’t. He hain’t not been around hyere fur a while.

      1. All of these expressions just sound like every guest on Springer to me.

  32. Trump says U.S. not necessarily bound by ‘one China’ policy

    Can someone tell me why this is so bad? Just the fact that Carter is the the one who started this makes me feel certain that it’s a good idea to reverse it.

    1. Can someone tell me why this is so bad?

      Because, Trump.

      1. “I don’t want China dictating to me and this was a call put in to me,” Trump said. “It was a very nice call. Short. And why should some other nation be able to say I can’t take a call?”

        “I think it actually would’ve been very disrespectful, to be honest with you, not taking it,” Trump added.

        The gall!

        1. Proggies hate nothing more than someone with spine who can think for themselves. It reminds them of everything they are not and they loathe themselves for it.

          1. They’ve finally encountered someone who will stand up to them, and for them that’s terrifying.

      2. Obama makes a phone call to the President of Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, and the media wants to give him another Nobel.

        Trump takes a phone call from the President of Taiwan, a democracy and a large US arms customer, and he’s going to start WWIII

        It’s all so damn tiring…

    2. The same Carter who gave grain to the soviets when they were about to collapse, thus saving the evil empire to torture and enslave another day? The same Carter who gave away the Panama Canal?

      He was totally not sympathetic to commies.

      I remember seeing him give a campaign speech for BO in 2012 and it was pure brainwashed proggie herpa derp.

      1. The same Carter who gave grain to the soviets when they were about to collapse, thus saving the evil empire to torture and enslave another day?

        You don’t want a nuclear power government to become desperate.

        You absolutely don’t want a nuclear power government to collapse unless you’re absolutely certain whoever takes their place is somewhat rational.

        The same Carter who gave away the Panama Canal?

        Which our lease was going to expire on anyway, not to mention that we acquired the land for it illegally.

    3. If your main position in foreign policy towards China is not to piss off the PRC, i.e. ‘big China’, One China policy is the way to go. The PRC defines the ROC as a rebelling province, so more active diplomacy with Taiwan is essentially seen as legitimizing a rebellion. This, of course, tarnishes your relations with the PRC. Of course, the people flipping out about Trump doing this are doing in for the sake of Trump, they probably can’t articulate a solid reason why U.S. diplomacy has to cater to the PRC’s positions other than some vague mumblings about trade.


      1. Can someone tell me why this is so bad?


        The PRC defines the ROC as a rebelling province, so more active diplomacy with Taiwan is essentially seen as legitimizing a rebellion

        that’s pretty much it.

        “Recognition” is the key phrase in international relations. When you “recognize” a country as sovereign, it is. Everything in international relations is about what people agree is real. Without agreement, nothing is real.

        That includes countries. Just like there isn’t a single muslim country which recognizes Israel, all other world nations defer to the Chinese insistence that Taiwan doesn’t technically exist as a separate entity.

        The US has long maintained this bizarre contradictory stance of *technically* supporting Taiwanese independence, but *formally* acceding to Chinese diplomatic insistence that we never dare refer to them as a separate country.

        That latter bit is the part that the douchebags @ newspapers never bother to really explain, since it leads to questions like, “why do we engage in that sort of hypocritical stuff in the first place?”.

        The Chinese are so fucking sensitive about it you can’t even mention it. They each (china and taiwan) conduct “Military exercises” on a perpetual basis to show off their willingness to fight over their stupid difference of opinion, but neither ever actually sits down to talk about reality.

        1. i kept thinking of some bizarre “bad family-relations” analogy, and i guess the closest i can come up with is a married couple that separates, but never gets a divorce since they’re both too fucking bitter at each other to ever give the other person the freedom they deserve. They never actually speak directly but instead constantly complain and talk shit about each other via their children and/or friends.

        2. Just like there isn’t a single muslim country which recognizes Israel

          What are Jordan and Egypt, chopped liver ful medames?

          1. oh, right = you have to beat them in a war first.

          2. Just like there isn’t a single muslim country which recognizes Israel

            With the way Israel is always wearing a hat and dark sunglasses every time they go out, they shouldn’t be surprised that no one recognizes them.

            1. “all those jewish countries look the same”

              1. There’s one of them in my back yard.

      2. For a nation that supports a one China policy, we sure spend a lot of time and money on how we’ll defend Taiwan from a mainland invasion.

        That scenario drives a shit-ton of acquisition funding.

        1. Gilmore covered it. One China Policy is all about recognition. Don’t recognize Taiwan, keep the PRC happy, sell military equipment to the ROC, plan for an invasion if the status quo goes tits up, everybody’s “happy”. In the sense that the PRC get their way when it comes to legitimacy and Taiwan isn’t left completely at their mercy.

          1. Point being, OCP is meaningless nonsense and everyone, including the PRC knows it.

            1. Not when that meaningless nonsense is accepted as international standard. Conferring status is a big deal in diplomacy. The ROC isn’t on the UN security council for a reason. That doesn’t mean that you can’t use ‘non-legitimate’ nations to forward your own interests, just that recognition provides diplomatic legitimacy. If great deal of Middle Eastern nations recognized ISIS as a legitimate state foreign policy in the region would be very different. One China Policy is the surface, realpolitik is the depths.

              1. Not when that meaningless nonsense is accepted as international standard.

                Sure it is.

                Bottom line is, we do not support such a policy AT ALL.

                Saying we do to smooth feathers doesn’t make it so.

                (And this is why I’ll never be a diplomat.)

              2. Part of it also pertains to international law. For instance, liberating terrorist occupied parts of Syria and Iraq is completely different than invading, and occupying, the Sovereign Islamic State of Syria.

                1. Trump’s overture to ROC is an attempt to get leverage over PRC for future trade deals. It’s a brilliant move. It grabs them in their … um … most sensitive and vulnerable part. And it costs nothing, unlike naval exercises or foreign aid.

  33. In one example of sensible federal rulemaking, officials two decades ago abandoned their moralistic pretenses in dealing with the then-insoluble problem of teen pregnancy. They promoted birth control and safe-sex programs instead. Yes, most of us would prefer if teens waited until adulthood to become sexually active, but by focusing on harm reduction, policymakers helped create the latest good news. Teenage pregnancy rates now are at record lows.

    Harm reduction has been a successful strategy in dealing with all manner of vice, from heroin addiction to HIV prevention. Yet state and federal officials are stuck in their old ways when it comes to the issue of tobacco use.

    This is not the old ways. Decades ago had vaping been available, a similar harm reduction approach would’ve been taken. Something has changed in attitudes, for the worse.

    1. Reducing one harm nearly always increases another. We successfully decoupled sex from reproduction, glorifying it as a recreational activity like kayaking or volleyball. Now nobody is having kids except for the people who are least able to raise them, and even this progeny of the dregs of American society is insufficient to keep the growth engine going, so we have to suck in immigrants who care little for our country’s values.

      1. a recreational activity like kayaking or volleyball.

        You’re doing it wrong.

        1. Let me tell you about my serve….

    1. I don’t know who that anchor in the middle is, but i suspect he got that “concerned scowl”-face made for him by a plastic surgeon.

      Bob Baer is the guy the “Syriana” movie was made about. Or it was sort of a fictionalized amalgam of a book he did. I never got around to it.

    2. How would that even work? As far as I know, there is no constitutional provision for a re-vote. It would basically need Obama to declare martial law, declaring the vote null and void because the right person lost.
      The resulting civil war would be very quick and decisive, since i believe most of the military would side with the rebels, and the proggies who dream of this kind of shit are unarmed, while their political opponents are armed.
      So, basically, that guy is talking out of his ass.

      1. there is no constitutional provision for a re-vote.

        Yeah, try explaining that to the brain-trust @ CNN. to them, CIA means, “super intelligent beings”. Why bob baer – a guy whose expertise was 1980s IRAN – should have relevant opinions on the American electoral system of 2016 is never really explained.

        1. *correction – it was more ‘1990s iraq’, apparently

          During the mid-1990s, Baer was sent to Iraq with the mission of organizing opposition to Iraqi president Saddam Hussein but was recalled and investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for allegedly conspiring to assassinate the Iraqi leader.[4][5] While in Salah al-Din, Baer unsuccessfully urged the Clinton administration to back an internal Iraqi attempt to overthrow Hussein (organized by a group of Sunni military officers, the Iraqi National Congress’ Ahmad Chalabi, and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan’s Jalal Talabani) in March 1995 with covert CIA assistance.

          I’m not sure what degree he’s responsible for pushing Ahmad Chalabi into the arms of US Intelligenc…. but its worth noting that the concept that this random gang of Iraq goofballs could swiftly replace Saddam as a credible Iraqi leadership…. is partly what prompted the US to invade Iraq with a stripped down force, believing that there would be ready-made pre-existing political structures available to replace the baathist regime.

          Thanks Bob!

            1. Ex-CIA agent Bob Baer does not believe Hitler’s death story is conclusive

              Weird, they didn’t put that in his Wikipedia entry.

      2. How would that even work? As far as I know, there is no constitutional provision for a re-vote.

        Not only that — since the mechanism of the supposed “interference” was merely exposing the truth about Hillary and the Democrats, a re-vote wouldn’t solve the problem, since the electorate would still be contaminated with that information.

        The only solution would be to simply install Hillary as president by decree. It would be nice if we could do it via an election to preserve tradition, but circumstances don’t allow it this time around. We’ll try to hold an election again in 2020.

        1. Yeah, as much as i dislike Obama, he’s not a man who would do that. In fact, he’s one of the few on the left handling this with good sportsmanship and dignity. Of course, if anybody knows how unsuitable for the job Hillary really was, it’d be him.

    3. Bringing information to light that proves that one candidate is engaged in some serious wrongdoing = “interfering with the election”

      I get it now.

    4. It’s amazing that the left keeps spouting this shit. ‘They hacked emails’, ‘they hacked emails’! The major omission being anyone saying ‘the emails were false’.

      1. “The major omission being anyone saying ‘the emails were false’.”

        That’s the most damning piece of evidence in my mind. They’re not even TRYING to discredit the emails themselves, most likely because they know the emails are real. Instead, they’re attempting to divert attention and impugn the motives of whoever revealed those emails to the public.

        That’s a classic leftist maneuver that has been in use since Marx wrote Das Kapital (and probably earlier than that). If you can’t disprove the claims, just attack the motives of the person making them.

        1. …and if someone had done something similar to Trump, they’d be lauding him as a hero.

          You’d think the goddamn Clinton campaign would understand the value of having secure servers by this point. Idiots.

    5. Show me the proof motherfucker. We’re just going to have to trust the CIA because the information is too sensitive? Well you can just fuck right off then.

      1. Just because there is no proof it isn’t true doesn’t not mean that it isn’t not true.

    6. Isn’t desperation purty?

  34. It’s amazing that the left keeps spouting this shit. ‘They hacked emails’, ‘they hacked emails’! The major omission being anyone saying ‘the emails were false’.

    Maybe just maybe the content of DNC emails was more incriminating; that whole, “Let’s blatantly skew this process in favor of our preferred/anointed candidate,” thing might be what’s important. If the RNC had figured out a way to do it to Trump, we probably would have heard about it.

    1. Bipartisan Congressional committee to investigate. The problem isn’t whether or not the CIA got it right. The problem is a man-child midnight-tweeting his disbelief of CIA intelligence, before anyone’s had a chance to review the data. Couple this with his chief security advisor who tweets fake news stories. UNHEALTHY. (oh, please deal with THIS issue, and stop with all the HIllary DNC stuff — that’s over, done, history. grow a pair and deal with reality, today.)

      1. Poe’s Law exemplified.

  35. Vaping = nicotine, a deadly drug. I don’t see a problem.

    1. As a nicotine delivery system vaping is much less dangerous than cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco. It isn’t harmless but, from a harm reduction perspective, it’s about as good as we can reasonably get.

    2. Vaping = nicotine, a deadly an awesome drug.

    3. Nicotine itself isn’t harmful at all. It’s the other crap that goes into your lungs with it that causes the problems associated with tobacco smoking.

    4. Fuck off, slaver.

  36. stop with all the HIllary DNC stuff — that’s over, done, history.

    Game over, Man!


  37. Internet Porn is responsible for the record low pregnancies, not your stupid condom programs! Who fits in to those anyway.

      1. I’m white. It’s a no go for me. It feels like a noose made of twine around the damned thing with a cinder block on the other end of the string. No thanks.

        1. Then you are neither a white nor an Asian.

  38. Confronting Racist Objects

    Millions of racist objects sit in the homes of everyday Americans. We asked for your experiences with these objects and received hundreds of responses. Some of you told us about your family heirlooms. Some described antique finds, and many of you simply wanted to know what should be done with racist objects. What is their place today, when racial tensions and racial attacks are on the rise? Here are some of your stories about reconciling, reclaiming and reinterpreting racist objects.

    Jane Sprague46, Long Beach, N.Y., White

    “My father has for years proudly displayed a small statue that depicts a racist exaggeration of an African-American man holding a lantern on the side porch of my parents’ farmhouse in upstate New York. My father is a virulent racist, and his racism disfigured my own perceptions of race growing up. When he passes, we’ll either melt down that statue [displayed here in a photograph by my mother] or bury it with him.”

    1. Deborah Chantson34, Torrance, Calif., South African-Chinese-Canadian

      “When I was living in Burlington, Ontario, in 2012, I was shopping and came across a sushi set that horrified me. In the checkout line, I noticed a Caucasian man was about to buy it. I asked him not to. He asked, ‘Why? It’s not cute and funny?’ I personally spoke to the president of the chain of stores selling this item [captured here in a photo from the company, which says it is no longer for sale], and my friend spoke to the president of the company manufacturing the item, neither of whom could see the offense in it.”

      1. Sharon St Albans 8 hours ago

        OMG! A figurine in bad taste! My life as a black woman is now ruined! Woe is me! Please adopt a government program for me! Go ahead. Continue the infantilization of your captive minority minds. Slavish devotion to the liberal mantra of paternalism and poorly performing programs for the underclass is the reason so many remain uninformed, unemployed and utterly incapable of independent thought. Small minds focus on the small things.

        Ryan Bingham Up there 8 hours ago

        Not sure if this is racist or not, but my Mr. Clean under the sink won’t date my Mrs. Butterworth in the refrigerator.

        JP CT 5 hours ago

        There is a difference between racially-charged and racist. These objects are racially-charged, always were and always will be. They were made in a era when people linked racial stereotypes to racial identity. They do not magically turn the owner into a racist. I’m of Italian descent. I often come home with a pizza box with a fat, grinning, mustachioed Italian caricature chef. I don’t become a self-loathing person by carrying it home or eating out of it. I don’t think I’m making some huge statement by using it nor by protesting the pizza joint.

        Reply 32Recommend

        1. Chef Boyardee ain’t nothing but coonin’ and buffoonin’.

      2. Maybe it wasn’t offensive? Maybe you’re just a thin skinned “look at how awesome and sensitive I am” SJW?
        Without the pics, is kinda hard to tell.

        1. OK, so i went and looked. Yeah, the sushi dish has a caricature of a Chinese guy. Oh noes! It doesn’t seem quite as racist as saying things like “all white people are racist” or the blob wearing a tent that says “white people suck” or whatever it said.
          Also, neither South African nor Canadian is a race.

    2. On my grandfather’s farm in rural arkansas, every summer he would grow watermelons. When I was a kid, we would enjoy eating them and often got to pick out the one we ate. When I grew up and became woke, I learned that were just participating in racist cultural appropriation. When my grandfather died 2 years ago, I burned the entire farm and salted the earth upon which it resided to atone for the sins I had unwillingly committed in my youth.

      1. I bet that farm was 40 acres and at least one mule was present.

        1. Nope 80 and a tractor. My grandfather had white privilege.

    3. The Inherent Racism of Lawn Jockeys

      A lawn jockey is a small statue of a man in jockey clothes, intended to be placed in front yards as hitching posts, similarly to those of footmen bearing lanterns near entrances and gnomes in gardens.

      The lawn ornament, popular in certain parts of the United States in years past, was a cast replica, usually about half-scale or smaller, usually of a man dressed in jockey’s clothing and holding up one hand as though taking the reins of a horse. The hand sometimes carries a metal ring … and in some cases a lantern, which may or may not be operational.

      Originally a welcoming symbol to guests and providing to those on horseback with a practical and novel hitching post, later statues eventually became only decorative and not well suited for hitching a horse, often favored by those wishing to evoke an Old South or equestrian ambiance.

      Historically black jockeys were commonplace. Several styles have been produced, with the most prolific being a shorter version commonly known as “jocko” and a taller version known as “cavalier spirit.” Typically these statues are made of concrete, but also are made of other materials such as iron, and may be found in poly resin and aluminum. Despite often being categorized as kitsch or controversial, lawn jockeys are still in demand. Both styles are still manufactured and sold.

      1. I know someone who just bought one.

          1. Sold in the market down in New Orleans

            1. If anybody wants one, I’ll be happy to make it in any team colors you’d like. Not sure what the shipping will cost, but I’ll find out if you want.

              1. I want an Asian/Pacific Islander lawn jockey.

                1. One that sorta looks like this guy?

                  1. Sure.

                    It’s a gift for AmSoc.

                    1. Maybe he’ll ask you for the addresses of your family so he can verify the gift? Fucking little cunt.

      2. My brother’s friend (who is black) went to a costume party as a lawn jockey. Part of his schtick was butting into other conversations with his lantern and saying, “Hey y’all, need some light? Anyone need some light over here??”

        That’s what level-headed people do – poke fun at racial stereotypes. Infantilized adults are the ones who throw a temper tantrum and demand a safe space.

    4. “…today, when racial tensions and racial attacks are on the rise?”

      If that were true, I wonder what could be causing it? It’s a real head scratcher.

      1. If it were true.

    5. Wait a second, this article wasn’t a joke?

      1. If guns can have agency then why cant other objects have sentiment?

        1. Exactly. “Racist objects” is pure bullshit. An object cannot be racist, because objects don’t think our act.

          1. It’s like a weegie board. The object itself may be inert, but its presence and use can invoke a racist spirit.

            1. ouija board

    6. Weren’t the original lawn jockeys pointed north for the benefit of runaway slaves?

    7. I dunno, sometimes Aunt Jemima looks really sexy.

      1. You’re the worst Eddie.

  39. Well, it’s Politico, so I know you already expect top level derp. But this one takes that to a new level.

    PUTIN HACKED THE ELECTION! According to official… uhh, unofficial rumors…

    Exactly what the fuck does ‘hack the election’ even mean? Apparently, no one has figured it out yet. Nice try, Obama but FAIL!

    “Some sources affiliated with the intelligence community also are quietly voicing concerns about Trump’s ability to keep classified information secret”

    What’s he going to do, take the Whitehouse email server home? LOLOLOLO!!!


    1. “Trump, a career businessman with no national security experience”

      I love how the Left is going all batshit over Trump’s lack of political experience… As if the politicians with a lifetime of experience are not in fact the slimiest ones of all.

      1. Obama had no national security experience either. Or experience with anything useful, tbh.

  40. My Headphones, My Self

    Headphones are now fashion statements. Status symbols. Fetish objects on par with luxury watches and limited-edition Nikes.

    Global headphone sales hit a peak of $8.4 billion in 2013, and two years later, that figure rose to $11.2 billion, according to the research firm Futuresource Consulting. The company predicts that sales will rise another $2 billion by 2018, meaning we have yet to reach Peak Headphone.

    In a fraught public sphere, headphones provide a measure of privacy. Those who fall deeply into a Spotify playlist or the latest installment of an addictive podcast enter a cocoon-like zone all but impenetrable to tourists, beggars and those do-gooders with clipboards.

    “Headphones are the front line of urban social defense,” said Julie Klausner, a comedian, actor and writer. “I’m introverted and socially anxious by nature. My worst nightmare is sitting next to someone on a plane or someone who wants to strike up a conversation on an elevator.”

    1. Some of the ultraexpensive headphones are made to fit your ear exactly. To get a pair, you see an audiologist, who takes impressions of yours ears using a Play-Doh-like substance and ships them off to a manufacturer like Noble Audio.

      This variety, known as CIEMs (short for custom in-ear monitors), started with touring musicians, who use them to block ambient noise and monitor their own sound.

      Julie Glick, an audiologist who has a practice on Park Avenue, operates almost like a pharmaceutical rep for Noble Audio and other brands that specialize in custom, in-ear headphones. Matt Stone, a creator of “South Park,” and Daniel Villano, a colorist at Fr?d?ric Fekkai, are among her clients who pop in to test demo units. When a sale is made, she earns a commission.

      1. I remember when Walkmans first came out. Headphones were a must have accessory.
        But come on people, listening to headphones and watching your phone when walking is just stupid. Also, i have seen many people miss their stops on the train because of the same thing.

    2. Headphones are now fashion statements. Status symbols. Fetish objects

      Headphones were my sexual fetish before it was cool.

    3. I’ve heard people make incredibly wild claims about the audio-quality of high-end headphones.

      Never sure why it is, but people who otherwise have a moderately good grasp of physics/electronics somehow still believe that if you spend $1,000 you’re getting 10X the quality of a $100 pair of speakers.

      Also – many people don’t even really understand what audio “quality” is. Often “audio-accuracy/fidelity” isn’t at all what people want in headphones – they want absurdly loud low-end response to compensate for the fact that you get zero physical-effect (the *feeling* of low frequency response rumbling in your gut) from headphones.

      the most ‘accurate’ headphones are actually the open-backed designs that people use in recording studios.

      I’d bet that these here probably provide better sound for $100 than anything they list in that article

    4. I worked in a mental hospital for nearly a decade. The hospital supplied walkmans and headphones to all of the patients and the patients kept those in their ears every minute they could. It was a tremendous help blocking out the voices and racing thoughts. I know a fair number of people who use their televisions that way.

      Personally I like silence. Peace and quiet, no distractions. I direct my thoughts consciously and I enjoy doing to. I explained that to someone once who snarkily replied “Well, aren’t you lucky”. I was surprised to find out he is one of those people too.

      Sounds like Julie needs some medication.

      1. I actually use my TV like that, and I’m fairly sure that I’m not insane. Whenever I’m here alone, my wife travels a lot, I just keep the TV on for background noise. I think it’s just that we’re so accustomed to having that our entire life in this information age, and it’s so freaking quite here without it that you can literally hear a pin drop on the floor. If you’re in that type of situation, you’ll notice how many weird sounds you hear in a house that you never notice if you have the background noise going.

        1. I am in a place like that by design. I like it that way.

      2. Oh, and just to elaborate on that, Suthen, I like the peace and quiet too. I just don’t like it to be that quiet when I’m chillin in the crib. It seems unnatural.

        1. I have tinnitus. Bought one of those noise machines to sleep to. I find the sound of crickets or a waterfall to be much more pleasant than the alternative high pitch whine.

          1. I remember when I was a teen spending summers at my grandparents place in the mountains of Appalachia. They had a metal roof on the house and although they had AC, they just typically left all the window open at night if it didn’t get too hot. The night sounds were like sleep medicine. One that was very interesting was the whip-poor-will (Antrostomus vociferus) bird. Where I live now, we have tree frogs, crickets, owls, and coyotes at night and so I still enjoy leaving the window open at night if it’s not too hot or cold.

            1. We had whippoorwills in New York back in the late 70s, but I don’t think I’ve heard them in decades.

              1. We had them in Arkansas as well. They aren’t bad eatin’ either.

                (how’s that for a southern torturing of grammar)

          2. Yeah Frank, me too. I tune mine out most of the time. Even when I pay attention to it just doesnt bother me that bad.

            Let me guess…jet engines. Gunfire here.

            1. Yep, guns and jets.

              I don’t notice unless I’m in a very quiet room. Then it’s deafening.

              1. My wife has the tv up loud now and I can still hear mine whining if I turn my attention to it. If I ignore it and focus my thoughts elsewhere it tunes out.

        2. When I used to leave the city and visit my parents in the country, I would have a hard time sleeping it was so dark and silent. I also run my TV from the moment I get up to the moment I go to bed. I don’t what that says about me but I live alone, so there’s that.

          1. It says that you’re used to it and that background noise is therapeutic in that case. I’ve never lived in a house since my earliest childhood memories that the TV was not on all day long. I maybe watch about 2-3 hours of TV a month, if even that. If my wife is home, she has the thing on all time, so it’s what I’m still used to.

            1. I was used to it with my mom, but I don’t watch much TV. I DVR a lot of movies and watch some sports, but that’s about it. I think I’ve got about 40 unwatched movies on my DVR right now.

              1. I don’t really “watch” – as in sit there and stare at the screen – anything. I’m always on my computer or doing other stuff at the same time.

      3. Well, aren’t you lucky.

      4. “The hospital supplied walkmans and headphones to all of the patients and the patients kept those in their ears every minute they could.”

        There’s a schizophrenic woman at the prison who does that. She mostly keeps to herself and behaves as long as she has her earbuds blasting music to drown out the voices. What’s sad is that it’s against the rules for her to have the headphones anywhere other than her cell and the yard, so the officers make her take them off. That’s when the voices take over and she goes apeshit.

        1. They don’t want anybody using the wires as a weapon, I’d guess.

          1. That’s probably the reasoning behind it. What gets me is that there are a million other things that can be used as weapons that the inmates have free access to.

            They sell disposable razors in the commissary, and they break them apart to get the blades out. It’s usually just the mentally ill inmates cutting themselves, but they do use them on each other occasionally. A few months ago, a girl got cut from her temple down to her chin, and the cut went all the way through her cheek. She claims she did it to herself, which is probably a wise thing to say.

            And during busy times at the mailroom, they prop the door open due to the high volume of inmates coming and going. But instead of fixing the door so that it stays open on its own, they just have a rock laying on the ground – a rock the size of a croquet ball. One of these days, someone’s going to get their head split like a melon with that thing.

    5. Julie Klausner: would.

      1. I wouldn’t wear those crap ass overpriced headphones anyway.

  41. Good piece.

    For the past 16 days I’ve been living with “the war”. I get slandered from the left and from the right by haters who blast me anonymously and then fade into the mist. Maybe it will be this way the rest of my life. Why? This is the price I pay to point out that a made man, a race hustling black democrat, is a massive bigot and a toxic sore on the community. Since then I’ve been attacked by the local television, newspapers and the blogosphere simply because I’m the only one who had the guts to break the story.

    1. “Now I don’t think it is tenable for folks like me to call themselves alt-right anymore because it has become associated with something that it wasn’t really before.”

      I remember this story when it was about the Tea Party.

      1. It annoys the heck out me that this principle, of a large movement tainted by a scuzzy fringe, never seems to apply to the left. Pretty much every leftist movement includes outright communists and black racists, but we’re supposed to ignore that. But when a conservative or libertarian movement includes a few nuts, oh that’s entirely different! Everything and everybody, anywhere nearby, is entirely discredited.

        1. It’s easier to deal with if you assume that the leftist media is the propaganda arm of an invading culture and thus is not interested in truth but rather of defending their fifth columnists and attacking any opposition.

        2. Yeah. Yeah, I bet that really sucks.

        3. Holy shit, I agree with PapayaSF on something!

          The anti-Iraq War protests were organized by Literal Stalinists.

          1. It happens now and then. You also liked my popcorn recipe, as I recall.

  42. When the FDA destroys American vape manufacturers, is there anything preventing international manufacture and sale?


        1. Well, it’s a rape culture you know.

          1. Then why do we call rapeseed oil canola?

    2. Given that we aren’t allowed to import Kinder Surprise eggs into the US, I’d imagine they would not look more kindly on gaping devices.

      1. they would not look more kindly on gaping devices.

        To each their own, that’s what I say.

        1. My kingdom for an edit button!

          1. You meant “raping devices,” right?

  43. The 21st Century Belongs to the Cat Man

    Meet Australia’s 1 million cat men

    The rise of ‘cat men’, as they’ve been dubbed, can mostly be observed on social media, where countless pages exist to document the relationship men of all ages and backgrounds have with their cats.

    “For too long, there’s been a stereotype about cat guys. Unmanly. More soft than rugged. More feminine than masculine,” reads the ‘about’ section of the It’s Okay to be a Cat Guy Facebook page.

    “It’s time to show the world that it’s OK to be a cat guy.”

    …while some might dismiss men’s pussy PDAs as frivolous, experts say it represents a shift towards a more positive, inclusive masculinity ? one which is sorely needed, especially given the impact a more aggressive masculinity ? evident in, for example, violence against women ? is having on society.


    i increasingly cringe when i see that word

    1. I love cats. I think it’s because of their entertainment value and respect for their independence. I had a big tabby barn cat that would disappear for months, I thought he was dead, and who would then unexpectently re-appear on my deck meowwing to get inside, fat and sassy and none the worse for the wear.

      1. I had one of those “outdoor cats” as well. looked like this. lived almost 20 years. killed everything that moved. you couldn’t pick it up however. and you wouldn’t want to. it would cut you to ribbons.

        (*it also had some skin problem that would make it roll in the dirt until it was literally caked in dust. we were too terrified to try and take it to a vet, so we just asked one what he thought it was and he was like, “Oh, just give it a medicinal bath and…” and that was the end of that conversation. so it lived its long life in pained filth, but otherwise quite healthy. it would also routinely vanish for weeks and then re-emerge no worse for wear)

        1. My cat wasn’t feral or anything, he loved to sleep in our bed and was very affectionate, but kill everything that moved, yes. He was arond 15 lbs of solid muscle, not a small cat to be sure. I saw him kill mice, rabbits, and even a squirrel. I used to call him the ‘little cheetah’ because of his agility and speed.

      2. We’ve always had cats and some truly great ones. I love cats too. They’re so great when you’re relaxing and they hop up for some scratching and purr affectionately — truly a stress-reducing activity.

        Right now we have a cat named Krebs who is close to 40 pounds, a tuxedo cat who is remarkably spry despite his heft. As a small kitten we named him that because he has a fur goatee just like Maynard G. Krebs of Dobie Gillis fame. But now, because of his girth (he’s really shaped and ambles more like a hedgehog) we say he’s Krebs because of his demonstration of the Krebs Cycle.

      3. Yeah, I like pussy too. I have some that would run off for a while and then show back up whining to get in, wanting to be fed and petted, none the worse for wear. I don’t know why I always gave in. Silly me.

      4. Dad picked up new dog beds for each of the dogs. One of the dogs took to hers. The other one has been taken over by one of our cats. 🙂

    2. These are guys who love to grab pussys.

    3. *sigh*

      I thought of Australia as the last hold out for the real man’s man in popular culture.

    4. Is there nothing the MSM can’t politicize all the fun out of?

    5. Toxoplasmosis is a hell of a disease.

    6. experts say it represents a shift towards a more positive, inclusive masculinity one which is sorely needed, especially given the impact a more aggressive masculinity

      Try to make your men into shitty women and try to make your women into shitty men. Good job, Western civilization.

      1. Men always need to be changed into women. Just like “integration” always seems to mean the natives accepting immigrants’ ways.

        Fuck them.

      2. especially given the impact a more aggressive masculinity

        Hemingway laughs.

    1. the taunting and the post-whistle shoving is really what makes it worthwhile.

    2. WTF is that I can’t even.

    3. That HAS to be fake.

  44. Just got the print edition of the new Jan 2017 Reason. Like many a new editor, K M-W has decided to make her mark with a complete re-design of the magazine. I have to say it’s a big disappointment.

    They’ve completely taken all of the fun out of the book — the print Reason up till now had a lot of snarky short pieces and blurbs, with interesting art or photos, that reflected some of the irreverence and unusual takes on the world that we also see in HnR (and reflected in the commentariat). But now they have gone for a long-form design with only a few, very lengthy articles and almost no illustrations to spice it up (for instance, one very extensive piece is only broken up by some wavy line art).

    The whole thing is so drab that it makes the New York Review of Books seem like USA Today.

    K M-W boasts about all this in the introduction, saying they’ve chosen to skip short ‘superficial treatment’ of issues for more ‘substantive content’, all set to a ‘post-modern’ design. Really? (cont.)

    1. long-form design with only a few, very lengthy articles

      I like it for exactly this reason. I get enough blurby stuff here. Why do I need to see it in the magazine too?

    2. Many years ago I was a magazine publisher, and found that the most approachable magazines were a compilation of short and long pieces — the shorter pieces are what initially draw in readers, who then may get intrigued enough to dive into the lengthier articles, and can also lead you to repeatedly pick up the mag the next time you have a few minutes.

      But this is about as engaging on first glance as an unabridged philosophy textbook.

      That, and the paper feels cheaper, and the font sizes makes it very difficult to read. The ‘Brickbats’, always a fun diversion, is the only amusing short section left — and is on the last page, in such small, grey print you’d think it was the ingredients information on a stick of gum.

      K M-W does say that it’s a ‘work in progress’. Let’s hope so! Redesigns are fine, but don’t try to drive away your readers by thinking everyone wants a super-serious, text-heavy mag.

      1. It’s her first one, right? Critique is good. She gets three strikes, right?

    3. I think the “superficial treatment” is for H&R.

      1. Some is, some isnt. We usually hammer the shit out of it in the comments anyway. We should be getting paid. Where is my damn shillbucks check?

    4. I can’t comment about the design as i haven’t seen the print edition yet, but i’ve always liked the short-sidebar pieces and the mid-article brickbat style diversions.

      1. I actually never liked the sidebars popping up all over the place – I find it too distracting when they’re in the middle of an article.

    5. I also really hate the artsy use of image backgrounds for the text. I find it very fatiguing to read and it accomplishes nothing. The original Wired incarnation did this and the idea has not gotten better with age.

  45. OT: I’m reading Mein Kampf right now, and it was requested that I post leftist-sounding quotes when I find them. Here’s a good one:

    From the chapter “The Trade Union Question”:

    “As long as there are employers with little social understanding or a deficient sense of justice and propriety, it is not only the right but the duty of their employees, who certainly constitute a part of our nationality, to protect the interests of the general public against the greed and unreason of the individual.”

    1. Impossible. Hitler was a raging wingnut.

      1. “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”

        Yep, totally right wing libertarian extremists.

    2. Main Kampf? How dare you platform!
      *Invokes Mob*

    3. Quoting Hitler to make him sound like a leftist is Fake. News.

      You have no right to publish that.

      Seriously, I wish people would quote him more often and hammer home what a raging lefty he was. Better yet put his quotes side by side with matching quotes from our modern versions of him.

      1. Seriously, I wish people would quote him more often and hammer home what a raging lefty he was. Better yet put his quotes side by side with matching quotes from our modern versions of him.


        Your comments reminded me of this scene from The Life of David Gale.

  46. My niggles are hard

    1. You just don’t tire of that, huh?

      1. No, it really tickles me. I’m hoping it will catch on

        1. You know who else’s niggles were hard?

          1. Rob Riggle? Were Riggle’s niggles hard?

          2. Mrs Piggle Wiggle?
            Wait is that real memory? *Does the Google*
            Yup. Suggestion for next book in the series: Mrs Piggle Wiggle’s Niggles

            1. Will they jiggle?

              1. If you make giggle her niggles will certainly jiggle.

                1. She lives in an upside-down house, and Mr Piggle-Wiggle was a pirate. True story.

    2. A friend of mine and her (half-black) friend used to call each other “mah niggles.”

  47. Gang of warmongering lunatics come together in the name of truth.

    “For years, foreign adversaries have directed cyberattacks at America’s physical, economic, and military infrastructure, while stealing our intellectual property. Now our democratic institutions have been targeted. Recent reports of Russian interference in our election should alarm every American.

    1. What law did the Citizens United decision strike down? What was the name of that law?


      Ah, there it is. The McCain Feingold Act. Funny how that name keeps ending up on a list with proggies, formerly in violating the constitution and now just trying to reinforce proggie talking points. If he is a conservative or a republican I am a flying reindeer.

      All of these accusations without a shred of evidence or a single reliable source and no mention questioning the veracity of the emails themselves. It’s been said but I will say it again; if the Ruskies did hack those emails and gave them to Assange then they did our country a service. McCain is just disappointed that Clinton isnt taking us to war. He is a disgrace.

      This American is alarmed alright, just not for the reasons they say I should be.

      1. This is what i said last night. If Hillary had won, Putin could have blackmailed the POTUS with stuff from her emails. I’m guessing, if Russia interfered at all, it was because Putin recognized the danger of two nuclear armed superpowers getting into a war over Syria.

    2. Fuck McCain and Graham.

  48. WSJ Gets the Apropos Pun For the Week

    Of Russian Hackers & American Hacks

    … Democrats are still in shock from their defeat, and many want to add the Kremlin to FBI Director James Comey, fake news and the Electoral College as excuses that cast doubt on the legitimacy of Mr. Trump’s victory.

    sources who have seen the intelligence say there’s strong evidence that actors linked to high-level Russian officials hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) website…The Administration made public the conclusion about the DNC hack months ago.

    The difference now is that the intelligence community is said to have concluded with “high confidence” that the Russians did the hacking to help elect Mr. Trump. But we’re told the evidence for this conclusion is far from definitive, and multiple intelligence services offered no such judgments when briefing the House Intelligence Committee on the election-related hacks last week.

    We’re also told that there’s no definitive intelligence about who hacked Hillary Clinton campaign chief John Podesta. His emails posted on WikiLeaks were arguably more politically damaging than those from the DNC.

    1. seems to me that the interesting clarity that the WSJ offers here – which the NYT and WaPo have glossed over – is that the claimed “CIA report” isn’t even necessarily referring to ALL the Wikileaks material; just a small slice.

      Meaning, that the podesta emails, and other intra DNC communiques, may not even be part of what the CIA is talking about – which seems limited to “attempted hacks” of DNC computers which may or may not have ever been leaked with any particular intent.

      …iow… it would seem to me that the “news” (I still contend there isn’t any as all that the stories have been based on are claims made by anonymous sources) is being wildly overblown = that the actual CIA ‘conclusions’ are in fact pretty narrow, while the media is trying to claim that the conclusions apply to EVERYTHING that has been leaked re: Clinton et al.

      the story points out that the DNC hacks they refer to happened *last spring* = before trump even won the nomination. So the “Pro-Trump” motivations the NYT/WaPo headlines claimed seem even more dubious.

      1. The overreach in conclusions being made is hilarious. The smoking gun they supposedly have will never be shown because National Security! Trust you? Nah, Fuck you.

        1. The smoking gun they supposedly have

          the WSJ spoke to people who received the House intelligence brief, and the Senate intel brief, and it appears that the house got some very watered down version, while the senate got some “stronger opinion” which still sounds like speculation.

          Regardless of what some CIA analysts actually think…. the point i think that matters (which the Times & WaPo elided) is that the conclusions they are drawing are actually based on a narrow slice of the claimed “computer hacks”, rather than the totality of Wikileak-dumped material.

          meaning = it sounds as tho NONE of the emails that were dumped (either the DNC internal ones or the Podesta emails) have anything to do with the claims they’re making about “Russian Intent”

          All they’re referring to are the DNC “data breach” hacks which occurred in the spring of 2016.

          That may in fact be true – that russians were probing RNC & DNC computers. and maybe they did leak some of those docs

          But that wouldn’t actually include any of the emails …which as the journal notes, were FAR more politically damaging.

          Yet the stories the Times and Post wrote did everything possible to create the opposite conclusion = that the Russians were somehow behind all of it.

          1. I will say it again. Whoever hacked and leaked those emails did the country a service.

            1. “Transparency” is a bitch.

      2. They just keep doubling down on this and everyone except the true believers can see right through it. The primary reason Clinton lost is her endless string of lies and obfuscation. Of course when she did tell the truth it was even uglier, but no matter. They think the way to fix that is to tell more lies, make up more fake issues? I encourage them to keep going. They are trying so hard to fuck the DNC right out of existence. The truth is the Dem party has been hijacked by the lunatic fringe and now that they are in the spotlight their lunacy is on full display. The average American that only marginally pays attention to politics lives in the real world and has a moderately good sense of what is sound and what isnt. Intuitively the majority can smell bullshit when it is presented.

        I encourage them to double down again. Maybe they can get Krugman to suggest another fake alien invasion. Maybe Putin is in league with the lizard people. Can we get Mr. Lizard to weigh in on this?

        1. I have not seen Mr. Lizard in addition to a few other commentators of late.

          1. There has been a cold wave the past few days.

        2. “They just keep doubling down on this and everyone except the true believers can see right through it”

          Remember when Hilary was shown (by evidence which she could not deny) to have, oh, sold political access for bribes to the ‘foundation’.?
          When she was shown (ditto) to have treated classified material as if it were her grocery list?
          Remember when we here were wondering why that stuff gained no traction?
          We were looking at the NYT et al, and that crew simply and willfully refused to see it. And by extension, if they didn’t see it or comment on it, why, the mouth-breathers in fly-over country didn’t either.
          Guess what? It DID gain traction. Among those who went to the polls on the 8th of November and said they did see that baggage.
          Now the NYT el al are trying to convince themselves (and by extension…) that they can see something here…
          You been busted!

        3. Deblasio 2020!

    2. “hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) website”

      Well, that’s where I keep my deepest, darkest secrets. My website.

  49. This was completely unforeseeable.

    A man who shot three Corpus Christi police officers executing a raid on his home had been the victim of several drive-by shootings and believed he was protecting his house, his lawyers said at the start of trial Wednesday.

    1. It’s also logical for would-be home invaders to claim to be the police.

      1. The bit where the police threw the flashbang, and then once everyone inside was deafened and disoriented, yelled “police” caught my eye.

        Training like that, must be the professionals.

        1. The brother with dementia wouldn’t have recognized the po-po anyway.

    2. the officers intended to serve a no-knock warrant on Rosas’ nephew, who was suspected of drug charges. Police tossed a flash bang through Rosas’ bedroom window, which is intended to catch a suspect off guard .

      ‘drug charges’

      makes you wonder just how petty they were.

      1. I see no mention of finding or not finding drugs so I am guessing they found nothing.

    3. What the fuck is “attempted capital murder”?

      1. Something that doesn’t apply to the police.

    4. It only took the defendant 15 rounds to injure three policemen. That’s a hell of a lot better than the cops do.

  50. Mike Tirico adds nothing to a broadcast.

    1. There’s a mute button on your remote. I promise there is.

      1. I prefer to listen to the games on the radio.

    1. Yeah, there’s something fishy about that award.

    2. The Texas legislature shouldn’t be wasting everybody’s time and money declaring an official state aquarium.

      1. They’re in the tank for Big Aquarium.

        1. I guess the moon is in the seventh house, or something.

    3. Why is the Texas State Aquarium a non-profit organization? The Legislature set the price of fishing licenses too low.

      1. As I understand it, it doesn’t receive any government money, but the state legislature declared them the official state aquarium back in the 80s.

    4. Good enough for Govt work

      in the 1980s when i lived in brooklyn, my dad took me to the NY aquarium out at coney island. He hadn’t seen it in 30 years or so himself, and figured it was a good time for a refresher.

      what had eluded him was that the coney island area had become one of the worst crack-dens in all of NYC at the time. on our walk from the train to the aquarium, i witnessed 2 cracked-out women get into a knife fight (*one had a knife. we politely crossed to the other side of the street. when we got there, we discovered half the animal-exhibits had died or simply been removed for “renovation”… the dolphin pool had 2 inmates, but they were barely visible through an algae-covered glass window and water that was full of debris.

      it wasn’t just “Sad”, it was probably the most pathetic thing i’d ever seen in my life up until that point. My dad was embarrassed. I think he’d really liked the place as a kid. On the way back, i decided to cheer him up and said, “At least we can tell people we saw two women get into a knife fight”.

      1. Sad…I think Coney Island was the setting for Requiem for a Dream.

        1. Yes it was. I believe the film was set in the early 1990s, when it was still quite bad, but when the film was being shot (the late 1990s) it had cleaned up considerably, so they had to “grunge it up” themselves. I recall going out there when it was being shot and trying to get a look at Jen Connelly. Instead we ended up smoking weed with some bored PAs who did set-dressing. Coney Island was very fun in the late 1990s, before it was clean enough for the Parks department to start enforcing open-container laws, etc.

      2. Now that is a memory. Nice

      3. It’s a sad zoo where the people are more interesting than the animals.

    5. The aquarium director says containers were mislabeled.

      I would think that when it came to mixing chemicals with living creatures that the SOP would be to actually test said chemical before randomly dumping into their environment. iow, ‘anticipating the possibility that chemicals might be mislabeled or of unknown concentration’, etc.

      i was also surprised to learn that George Takei is now a regular political commentator

      1. They always seem to leave out that FDR was a Democrat in those articles. I wonder why? I get Georges point, but was it not Hillary’s people who detained the rowdy Sanders supporters who walked out at the DNC convention? The thought America would ever stand for Americans being rounded up and placed in camps again is ludicrous.

  51. The Other Adam Smith– still unemployed and reviled

    Adam Smith, who was fired from his job as the CFO of Vante, Inc., is now living in an RV and is on food stamps.

    According to Smith, Vante fired him after he posted a video on Youtube berating a Chik-fil-A employee about the company’s policy towards homosexuals.

    Smith told ABC News that when he got back to work, the receptionist said, “Adam, what did you do? The voicemail is completely full, and it’s full of bomb threats.”

    Smith was fired later that day. He claims that he was making $200,000 annually and had over $1 million in stock options with the medical device manufacturer.

    His termination meant that he lost all of those stock options.

    In the following months, Smith and his family lost their house and were forced to move into a mobile home. He managed to get hired as a CFO in Portland, Oregon, but was fired two weeks later after his boss found out about the video.

        1. Not now.

          “I don’t regret the stand I took, but I regret? the way I talked to her,” he concluded.”

          I’m sure your family appreciates you making a complete ass of yourself to their detriment, asshole.

          1. Mrrrhm, I’m sure it would go well if everything everyone had every said on the internet were attributable to their government name.

    1. 2016 just keeps getting better and better.

    2. Someone else take the pithy marks. Is it just me, or do they have the most amazing sidebar ever?

      1. Lasagna rollups? Come on. Why didn’t I think of that. I have no pithy remarks. That guy who made the video is an ass.

      2. “Corn Dog Muffins” is indeed some epic shit.

    3. Smith filmed a video while going through a drive-thru to receive free water.

      it was the ‘free water’ part that erased the little bit of sympathy i had.

      1. He’s also the courageous SJW berating a young woman who really has no influence on what the company does anyhow. Why not hang out after hours and harangue the janitorial staff?
        Maybe because they might threaten him with a rag mop…

        1. He’s also the courageous SJW berating a young woman who really has no influence on what the company does anyhow.

          Michael Moore made an entire career of this.

          1. (HM, a serious thank you for the NON-BLIND link!)
            Anyhow, Moore does that and in later films he also pulls the Sasha Asshole-Asshole and D. Tosh bullshit of asking leading questions of those who suspect no nefarious intent and eliciting answers which allow them in and ‘in-the-know’ audience to feel so SUPERIOR!
            I did send e-com to Tosh to tell him to stuff it; he responded as you might expect. I see he (like Olberman) is now peddling his web-presence, sorta like trueman here.

    4. He was a major asshole to do what he did in that video. However, ruining his life over it, years later, is going too far. The self-righteous ideological brigades attacking people IRL for what they post online are just as bad on the right as they are on the left.

  52. GC gave Olberman a mic and a desk:
    “Let’s Take a Look at Trump’s Cabinet of Villains | The Resistance with Keith Olbermann | GQ”

    “The idiot elect” from someone fired from every job he ever held. Offered for those who watch such things; maybe better than a 9ers football game.

    1. Spot the Not: Keith Olbermann

      1. The corporation is one of the great unheralded human inventions of destruction.

      2. I just think if you’re 44 years old and you’re not smarter than you were when you were 35 years old or 25 years old, just stay in your room.

      3. Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It’s as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was.

      4. What was the more likely cause of the Oklahoma City bombing: talk radio or Bill Clinton and Janet Reno’s hands-on management of Waco, the Branch Davidian compound??Obviously, the answer is talk radio. Specifically Rush Limbaugh’s hate radio?.Frankly, Rush, you have that blood on your hands now and you have had it for 15 years.

      5. I am again left to marvel how somebody can rise to a fairly prominent media position with no discernible insight or talent.

      6. A loose definition of the Tea Party might be fifteen million pissed-off white people sent chasing after Mexicans on Medicaid by the small handful of banks and investment companies who advertise on Fox and CNBC.

      1. I’ll go with #5 because it sounds like anyone could have said that about anyone else in media.

      2. I will go with 5 since it is the least snarky.

      3. Guessing it’s not #6 since that one incorporates many of Oberman’s boogey men.
        I’ll take #5 also; Olberman personalizes all his rants.

      4. 6 is the Not. That is from Matt Taibbi.

        1. huh. Funny, but i don’t think a single bank/investment actually advertises on Fox during prime time.

          the shitty gold-resellers do. MyPillow.com does. I think some erection-pills do. but i’ve never seen a financial services institution.

          1. “Funny, but i don’t think a single bank/investment actually advertises on Fox during prime time.”

            You think facts would keep Olberman from ranting?

        2. Might have just as difficult had you put up Matt Taibbi quotes.

          1. OK

            Spot the Not: Matt Taibbi

            1. Wall Street has turned the economy into a giant asset-stripping scheme, one whose purpose is to suck the last bits of meat from the carcass of the middle class.

            2. I’m a product of an East Coast liberal arts educational system.

            3. The one thing that I do is take really complicated systems and subjects and make them accessible to regular people.

            4. The national debt is totally unlike a family budget for about a gazillion reasons, not the least of which being that families cannot raise money by fiat or deflate the size of their debt unilaterally and that family members die instead of existing infinitely.

            5. The problem with the Tea Party is that it’s been used in a way that scares people into supporting an agenda that’s counter to their own interests.

            6. They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet… in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pricks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.

            1. I could go into derp overload.

        3. “6 is the Not. That is from Matt Taibbi.”

          Never heard of the guy, but his obsessions must be as focused as Olberman’s.

      5. It’s fucking exasperating to me that only one of those is fake.

    1. I have not read your link or know wtf he’s referring to…

      …but there is a fact that some huge proportion of hacking that emanates from eastern-europe or former russian states likely has zero connection to the Russian government. And that if you were going to do that sort of political hacking, maybe you’d want it to look like it was the russian government.

      my buddy has an internet security firm start-up for the last 5 years or so…. and he regularly hires …what do you call them? white hats and black hats? People to do penetration-testing… basically, ‘hackers for hire’. They’re all located in Ukraine and Belarus and other similar places. It seems just as plausible as saying it was “The Russian Government”. Unless they have intel from internal govt operatives discussing their plans, i think the assumptions being made about Russian motives are absolutely bullshit.

    2. “The Washington Post reported Friday that the CIA concluded Russia intervened in the election to help Trump win the presidency”

      Which is being reported everywhere else as, “The CIA confirmed the Russians got Trump elected”. Fuck Bolton, but fuck this BS. When the CIA actually releases info, I might believe it. WaPo is as trustworthy as a crackhead who says he will watch your house for the weekend and promises not to steal your shit.

      1. “The Washington Post reported Friday that the CIA concluded Russia intervened in the election to help Trump win the presidency”

        See G’s posts upthread.
        It seems there is some suspicion that the Russkis hacked into the DNC server (and I’m sure this surprises those who think the hag’s server in the hall closet was ‘secure’) last spring. Which minimal claim of spookery is now being inflated to ‘the Russkis elected Trump, since our candidate couldn’t possibly be bad enough to lose to him!”
        Repost from above:
        Remember when Hilary was shown (by evidence which she could not deny) to have, oh, sold political access for bribes to the ‘foundation’.?
        When she was shown (ditto) to have treated classified material as if it were her grocery list?
        Remember when we here were wondering why that stuff gained no traction?
        We were looking at the NYT et al, and that crew simply and willfully refused to see it. And by extension, if they didn’t see it or comment on it, why, the mouth-breathers in fly-over country didn’t either.
        Guess what? It DID gain traction. Among those who went to the polls on the 8th of November and said they did see that baggage.
        Now the NYT el al are trying to convince themselves (and by extension…) that they can see something here…
        You been busted!

        1. It is funny that people who six weeks ago swore up and down that the Secretary of State conducting official business via a poorly configured email server in her bathroom closet was no big deal, are now hot to trot on all things cybersecurity.

          1. Email, something, something, Hillary, something, something, email, doesn’t matter ’cause *TRUMP!!!!!!*
            Just email anyhow!

            And now it’s ‘CAUSE TRUMP EMAIL, EMAIL, EMAIL, EMAIL!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Why can’t Reason hire some ((( )))s so that we could have some Sunday links ?

    1. ‘Cause we can do it ourselves?

    2. How about Katlicks? Don’t they go to church Saturday night?

      It’s another option.

    3. Hitler?

  54. Nice little econ article over on freelancer’s version of fanfiction.net.

    He gets inappropriately chirpy toward the end, going on and on about 12 million net jobs created since 2000. Such jobs, y’all, much employment. I dunno, I’m not a sciencing sciencer, but I question the validity of that statistic. Since 2000, we’ve added 12 million net jobs, and 40 million more people to the population. Here’s the labor participation rate from 2000-2016. We’re running the American economy and government on the same number of labor hours as “1998 (that isn’t the good, recent link, Google is rudely hiding that link, but this one is at least accurate through 2013).

    It’s good otherwise though. I wish at the end he would have had an epiphany that the solution to the outsourced jobs – excess labor problem is to make new jobs to replace the old, obsolete jobs. He seems to think if we just reached Peak College everything would be fine. Fine! It’d be fine!

    1. that’s insane.

      So the wife knew that he would probably have a gun ?

      The cops went along with this play thinking it made them look good ?

      1. I think he’s a cop and arranged it with his cop buddies, at least to go by the couple posts I googled up. Still though, Jesus, that is a horrible spot to put your woman in.

    1. So is the first requirement to TAKE THAT FUCKING RAG OFF YOUR HEAD!?

    2. Are there people really that ignorant ?

      If so……

      Surely there are just a few evil ones among the sheep that lead the rest ?

  55. The Agile Cyborg, my friend, is blowin in the wind. ::awkward pause…..hides head in shame:: What the the rest of the lyrics?

    1. When are they going to give Agile Cyborg a Nobel Prize?

  56. Washed-up band waves the bloody shirt:

    “Green Day pays tribute to fire victims at Oakland concert”

    Yep, band of millionaires ‘shows solidarity’ with folks paying a couple of hundred a month to live in a warehouse. ‘Oakland Aid’; the new rocker whine!

    1. They’re great. They also participated in a large tribute to John Lennon cover record to “save Darfur” years after the major genocidal purges already occurred. This anticorporate concert brought to you by Pepsi!

  57. Watching an Irish movie, Grabbers. Alien facehuggers land on Earth. Drinking ensues.

    1. Welp, that was pretty silly. Fun silly. Ruth Bradley is a doll. “Oh, shutyer hole.” Anyone remember Evolution? It’s kinda like that.

  58. Rerun

    Spot the Not: things which have been called racist

    1. canoes

    2. underwear

    3. a comedian’s parody of a pop song

    4. serving sushi at an college cafeteria

    5. the use of the word “master” in a job title

    6. criticizing the IRS

    7. wanting to own a gun

    8. supporting voter ID laws

    9. preferring white meat

    10. brown lunch bags

    11. libertarians

    12. a nursery rhyme

    13. eating fried chicken in the presence of black people

    14. naming your restaurant Obama Fried Chicken

    15. refusing to eat fried chicken

      1. 6 ?

        Yeah 6. I’m sure.

        Maybe 7. Could be.

        I’ma gonna go with 7.

        Six is my final choice.


    1. Trick question – all of them have

      1. 4. serving sushi at an college cafeteria

        tho , was that really called “Racist”? I thought it was der Kulturalappropriaschuzn

        i will take #4 on the off chance

    2. 1 and 4 were probably criticized as “cultural appropriation”.

      5, 6, 7, 8, 11, and 14, I know for a fact have been called racist.

      1, 3, 9, 10, 12, 13, and 15 just fit the mold for something that would be called racist even though I’m not aware of any instance of that happening.

      I’ve got to go with #2.

        1. Fuck! They’re constantly raising the bar on this derp!

    3. A partial list of things that have been called racist. The list itself was later deemed racist.


      1. So much derp…so little time.

      2. Listing things is racist. Lists are a tool of racists. Not because making lists is in and of itself racist, but because listlessness is often an attribute racistly attributed to shiftless layabouts.

      3. You will note that 20 of 23 of those things come from 3 sources

  59. Oh shit, 10pm PST, when threads turn into pumpkins.

    1. Don’t worry, by 10am Eastern tomorrow, there’ll be ten new articles posted, so many that you can’t even read or comment on even half of them, so the poor authors won’t get very good exposure and discussion for all their work.

      And if they’d only released one or two of those same forlorn pieces each day over this weekend, they’d have gotten a good run, and we wouldn’t be stuck constantly sorting through 700-post threads…..

      1. And if there was a real, threading comment system, you’d know I replied to you 12 hours later.

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