Donald Trump Picks Ben Carson for HUD, Army Corps of Engineers Nixes Dakota Access Pipeline Route, 30+ Dead in Oakland Warehouse Fire: A.M. Links


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    President-elect Donald Trump is targeting manufacturers looking to move abroad, warning it would be an "expensive mistake." Trump became the first U.S. president-elect or president in decades to talk to the president of Taiwan over the phone. The transition team announced Ben Carson would be nominated for secretary of housing. The search for a secretary of state, meanwhile, is extending into the private sector, with Exxon-Mobil's Rex Tillerson reportedly in the running.

  • The Army Corps of Engineers decided it will not grant an easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota.
  • More than 30 people died at a party held in a warehouse in Oakland after a fire, which is now being criminally investigated, broke out.
  • Police in Washington, D.C. arrested a man who allegedly walked into Comet Ping Pong, the restaurant at the center of the pizzagate conspiracy theory, with a gun and fired at least one shot.
  • A gunman in Finland killed two journalists and a councilwoman.
  • Alexander Van der Bellen won the presidential election in Austria. The prime minister of Italy resigned after voters rejected a referendum on constitutional reforms.
  • The prime minister of New Zealand unexpectedly resigned after eight years in office, saying it was the "right time."

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  1. President-elect Donald Trump is targeting manufacturers looking to move abroad, warning it would be an “expensive mistake.”


    1. Smoot-Hawley 2017! “Because we probably need a good depression to fix all the misallocation problems anyways.”

      1. Don’t worry, Trump’s just trolling.

        1. It’s a Triumph. The gladiator contests should be fun.

          1. Are you suggesting that Trump is going to ritually strangle Podesta on the steps of the Capitol?

            1. Ooh, I’ve got to check the train schedules to make that one.

              1. You could pay off a chunk of the national debt with the PPV receipts.

            2. That would take a lot of Gaul.

              1. Et tu?

      2. Sadly, we probably do need a good depression. And very likely it’ll have to occur during a small-c conservatives’ watch.

        Not implying that that’s Trump, BTW . . .

        1. Hopefully more in the mold of 1920 than 1929.

      3. Because we probably need a good depression to fix all the misallocation problems anyways.

        Actually, this might well be the case.

    2. Hello.

      How are the results in Aut/Ita not wins for the left?

      1. Italy – seems like a win for those that didn’t want centralized power and their Senate to be reduced to a debating club. That doesn’t sound like the Left winning….Italian Libertarian Moment?!!!

        1. Yes, but Renzi, for all intents and purposes is an establishment guy (neocon?) while the Five Star party under Grillo is socialist.

        2. I think this. It was more a loss for vesting more power with the executive, who, in Renzi’s case, seemed to be all about the EU and the powers it would bring him as governor of the federated state of Italy.

    3. I think I’m finally over my schadenfreude and starting to get depressed about what a Trump presidency actually means for freedom and the economy.

      1. Yeah, I knew the schadenboner would subside eventually – reality is making me lose my horny.

      2. Screw that, I’ve got another 6 weeks left on my salty liberal ham tear bender.

        1. Hildog saw her shadow! (the recount)

          6 more weeks of schadenfreude!

      3. Me too.

        The prog tears were delicious, but we’re all now going to drink Trump kool-aid.

        1. The worst part is it’s not even Kool-Aid, it’s Flavor-Aid.

      4. Getting to that point, yeah. It was fun while it lasted. Time to be depressed again now!

      5. I haven’t quite hit that point, but his tough talk on trade is bringing me pretty close.

    4. This is the stuff we should be getting worked up about. TDS or not. It is a dangerous game he is playing with economics. He really needs to cut regulation and taxes and watch how simple it is to keep jobs in this country.

      1. Kinda hard to do that before he’s even taken office.

        1. True, but keep things like this in mind. I have zero case of TDS, but he is starting to worry me with statements like that. Not that I think the Republican Congress will let him get away with it, really.


      More of that shouting and yelling… I’m more and more convinced that the Fist we knew ceased to be some time ago, and Denial, The Angry Prostate, took over commenting from then on. It would certainly explain the decline in the quality of the *real* Fist’s posting. Denial must have access to Fist’s acct info.

      I guess Denial is being toted around in a basket, or is in a sling in Fist’s trousers, much like Watto from Total Recall, and Fist has been reduced to a hapless, mindless, Christ Christie-esque, drone.

      1. Add in some bizarre mutant sex and you’ve got the makings of a SugarFree story.

      2. much like Watto from Total Recall,

        It’s Kuato, you slavophilic goon!

        1. Konechno! You have passed the gom Jabbar. And Dr. ZG is a card carrying, mad imprinting, Bene Gesserit; you’d be just as philic of her slava as I am.-)

          1. Haha, duly noted, Doc. Dobroe dyen!

            1. Dobrij den’, eshhjo moj drug;-)

      3. That 35% tariff isn’t going to create jobs, but it does troll the Democrats quite nicely. I’m looking forward to Vox-pieces this week talking about how tariffs are bad for business, because these idiots just can’t help their contrarian impulses.

        This is why I think Trump should propose replacing Obamacare with a single-payer system just to get the left screeching about the need for free-market reforms in healthcare.

      4. Compromised by the CIA on October 16th. Explains everything.

      5. What do you mean, ‘reduced’?

  2. I know it was ALWAYS the left that wanted to curtail the 1A and abrogate free speech (sigh) until the current president-elect came along and decided to revive the whole goddamn flag-burning issue (SIGH?.), but don’t forget that the left is STILL making the argument!!…..f-internet

    After all, “The 1969 [ Brandenburg VS Ohio] ruling came well before the digital age. We live in a time where clicks and shares spread hate and false information instantaneously across the internet.”

    Yeah, as well ALL KNOW, the expression “A lie has gone around the world before the truth has even had a chance to put its boots on?” only came about in the past ten years!!!

    Ever notice how nothing in the constitution is absolute to anyone on the left. The 1A has to be changed because of “the digital age”, the 2A has to be abrogated because the founders “could never imagine” modern arms, the 4A is absolute because of the privacy we have forfeited in the name of convenience, etc etc etc. They always have a reason to make you a slave ? and it’s for your own good.

    A UTAH professor, no less! Well, I guess we can expect full frontal assaults on the 1A from all corners ? and not just the left ? for the next four years!! Yay!!

    1. And those damn kids are on your lawn again…

      1. Yeah, that too!!! Damn, free-speech hatin’ kids these days, wearin’ their pants around their ass and listenin’ to that hip-rap hopscotch music!!! RARRRH!!

        1. +1 Uncle Ruckus

        2. In the case of millennials I’d say there’s a good case to be made for the damn kids actually hating the idea of unfettered free speech.

    2. I understand what he’s saying, though. It’s just really disturbing that someone else can come in and steal my useful idiots.

    3. I understand what he’s saying, though. It’s just really disturbing that someone else can come in and steal my useful idiots.

    4. Professors in Utah are just as communist as they are at any other university.

    5. Having been someone who studied at the University of Utah, It is no ground for Free thought. In fact the Economics Department (where i got my degree) is (and this is not at all in exaggeration) one of the most Marxist Economic departments in the US. Seriously look up Li Minq, and E.K Hunt.

  3. 264) NY Subway Riders Stand By As Three Men Verbally Assault Muslim Teenager

    Verbally Assault?

    Three white men who were apparently intoxicated repeatedly yelled anti-Islam insults at a Muslim student in the New York City subway and no one did anything.

    Maybe because words aren’t actions?

    The men?even tried to pull off the terrified 18-year-old’s hijab

    Oh, so there was an assault, as opposed to the nonsensical “verbal assault.” Why didn’t the article say so in the first place? Also, why didn’t anybody intervene at this point?

    ?this [incident] was particularly shocking because it happened in New York

    Yeah, everybody knows nothing bad ever happens in New York. It’s like a rediscovered Eden!

    1. this [incident] was particularly shocking because it happened in New York

      , a hotbed of Muslim tolerance.

      1. Were the three men police officers?

        1. You don’t understand the pressures police are under day in and day out.

      2. The narrative will be that the guys were from racist Long Island, which Trump won.

    2. “Drunk guys act stupid, nobody hurt, nobody steps in.”

      1. But it’s TRUMP’S AMERICA now!

        The ink must flow. All the incidents nobody paid attention to before are now national news and it’s all Trump’s fault.

    3. Fact: New York City is a racist-free paradise.

    4. Assault is almost always verbal. If it moves beyond words, it’s no longer assualt, but rather battery.

      1. ” Law. an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner. ”

        I’m pretty sure calling someone a terrorist and saying the name “Donald Trump” doesn’t quite meet the definition.

        1. The pressure waves created by their hateful utterances viciously assaulted the victim’s eardrums…

    5. Strictly speaking, assault is verbal. But (until they tried to pull off the hijab) this doesn’t sound like assault.

      1. Nope.

    6. Uncorroborated, therefor doubtful. Sounds like there were lots of witnesses. Perhaps one will come forward?

    7. Video or it didn’t happen.

    8. Odds on this being complete bullshit? 1:1?

  4. The prime minister of New Zealand unexpectedly resigned after eight years in office, saying it was the “right time.”

    Scandal coming up.

    1. His party affiliation wasn’t Democrat.

    2. Hey Fist, re: Friday am links, not the fan art guy. Just sent him one of the hoodies I’d had made.

        1. Uhhh, I appreciate your understanding?

          /backs out of room, head down

    3. Gandalf showed up at the PM’s office and invited him on a quest?

  5. P.E.I. police service apologizes to Nickelback

    A small-town P.E.I. police department has issued a public apology to Nickelback, and taken down a social media post that threatened to force drunk drivers to listen to the Alberta band’s music.

    In a heartfelt Facebook post Friday, a Kensington police officer said that after the “joke” post went viral, he began to feel like a bully.

    “I am sorry to (band members) Chad, Ryan, Mike and Daniel. Not as just members of Nickelback, but more importantly as fellow Canadians. I’m sorry guys because I didn’t take a moment to think of you AS just guys,” the officer said.

    1. Then he announced Nickelback would play a free concert for prisoners.

      1. +1 PEI Prison Blues

    2. No. Nickelback owes the world an apology.

    3. I guess he believed that the punishment should fit the crime.

    4. “Get . . . the Celine Dion!”

      1. Did someone say Celine Dion? Who could ever forget this sparkling display?

        1. Link is SF’ed.

          1. Clockwork Orange brainwashing scene, not important.

            1. It’s a sin!

    5. Cops vs Nickelback-going to have to side with the cops on this one.

  6. Alexander Van der Bellen won the presidential election in Austria.

    Trump’s going to have to work on his concision if he wants to tweet about that name.

    1. Alex VdB.

    2. Kooky Alex is at it again!

      Not that hard for Trump.

  7. The transition team announced Ben Carson would be nominated for secretary of housing.


    1. Pyramids are types of houses, used to store grain.

      1. Ah. I had forgotten that.

    2. A brain surgeon is uniquely qualified to run a housing department.

      1. 90% of us could run these domestic agencies better than those who currently do.

      2. Its not rocket science.

        1. But are housing problems brain surgery? Perhaps Trump merely takes the old metaphor more seriously than most.

    3. Some hammocks and a tall glass of sweet tea for all.

    4. Housing and Urban Development – basically the welfare department of US FedGov. Although Agriculture also has a hand in – they run the WIC program aka food stamps.

      If nothing else this is trolling the left because Carson is a big believer in personal responsibility and religious charities. Should be good for a few lulz.

      1. HUD specializes in guaranteed loans for “acceptable” housing projects. It’s basically welfare for developers.

        1. Traditionally, presidents-elect seem to select supporters with deep experience or a power-base for those departments in which they want to get involved (e.g. “Education President” W in 2000 selecting Rod Paige). Given Trump’s long background as a developer, perhaps he sees this as a department where he doesn’t need an advisor in the lead role (versus choosing experts in places like DoD)?

    5. What’s it called when you try to destroy something from within by putting an unqualified person in charge? There has to be a word for that, in German or Japanese, at least.

      1. A cuckoo’s nest?

      2. Ungeeignetefuhrerschaftszerstorung

        1. Close enough.

          1. Have we moved from euphemisms to onomatopoeia?

            1. The Krauts haven’t, which is why in German, both phenomenons are simultaneous and one in the same.

              1. I splurged on my schnitzel.

                1. These euphemisms!

          1. I’ve got a German friend who’ll pee her pants over this one.

        2. I lost coffee through my nose on this!

          1. ^this was to jatnas

      3. Dunder-Mifflin?

        1. I think we have a winner. Trump is trying to Dunder-Mifflin several federal departments. It’s the only logical conclusion.

        2. I would think the answer is Houghton-Mifflin. Now called, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, which sounds like either the worst comix villain name I have ever heard, or Thurston Howell’s cousin, thrice removed.

          It should also be noted that Harcourt’s former association, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, would make an awesome villain name.

          1. Harcourt Brace Jovanovich

            The Serbian villain is all played out.

            1. Ru-krainian oligararchs are all the rage these days, Saccharin Man. Please, get with the times.

      4. Government is the word you were looking for.

    6. It’s dumb, but I actually kind of like how dumb it is. How could Ben Carson make the HUD department worse and less efficient? I can’t think of a way. May as well turn it over to someone with no knowledge and some occasional instincts to not spend money on stupid shit.

  8. Vets worried by rising numbers of drunk pets as more owners leaving leftover tipples around the house

    It is that time of year when your guests tend to over-indulge and imbibe more than is good for them, leaving their hosts to pick up the pieces.

    But pets are also likely to succumb to alcohol poisoning during the festive period, as a result of them sneaking a sip of any drink left lying around the house – with potentially dire consequences.

    And with more people now drinking at home than in pubs the problem is likely to get worse.

    Vets have warned that because pets such as cats and dogs are naturally inquisitive, they are likely to sniff out and taste any liquids left in glasses on the floor and because of their size it takes very little to make them drunk.

    1. Don’t let your pets drink and drive!

      1. How dare you

      2. Toonces tried to warn us. HE WARNED US!

    2. Am I crazy for thinking I’d rather them get drunk in the safety of my home than out somewhere and then have to drive home?

    3. they are likely to sniff out and taste any liquids left in glasses on the floor

      As opposed to any solids left on plates on the counter?

    4. Catnip is a gateway drug.

    5. For those here who have read The Adventures of Tintin, drunk Snowy is nothing new.

      1. +1 Loch Lomond Whiskey

    6. I blame the VA.

  9. Pizzagate is the absolutely dumbest conspiracy theory the far right has come up with in years.

    1. Hopefully it will but to death the “-Gate” naming convention.

      1. Especially since Watergate should no longer be considered the ultimate in government cover-ups, though good luck getting journalists to acknowledge Hillary’s home-based server.

      2. That won’t die until the journalists who were around for Watergate all kick the bucket.

      3. No it won’t, because journalists always go for the facile.

    2. It makes perfect sense if you just substitute the words you want to hear for the words they actually said.

    3. I have to disagree.

      I don’t think there is necessarily a child pedo ring being run out of Comet Pizza, but these people are fucking sick in the head in some really weird ways.

      Plus, it is not like pedophillia isn’t a problem in western governments around the world, and in Hollywood. You can also take a look at Britain and Holland for examples. Then you have Epstein. You also have the Boys Town scandal in Nebraska, I believe. There is a documentary on it called Conspiracy of Silence produced by Discovery Channel that was pulled from the air.

      1. It’s pretty fucking dumb. And a completely shitty thing to do to the poor business owner to spread such a story.

        1. So, I’m a late joiner to the whole Pizzagate thing, is there any basis in reality to this or just bullshit and guesses?

          1. It’s one of those things where people are looking for pedophilia, so they take random email conversations and go “yes, they’re talking about pizza, but it’s really CODED LANGUAGE THAT’S TALKING ABOUT PEDOPHILIA.”

            Same deal with the ‘Satanic rituals’. Some idiot artist thinks that a neo-pagan ritual says something deep, elites go along with it because trend, suddenly it’s a dead serious Satanic ritual.

            1. It is kind of incriminating when you post on Instagram yourself a picture with a child with the hashtag #chickenlover.

              They do look like a bunch of pedophiles, especially with the Podesta art collection. At the least they look like a group who thinks pedophilia is edgy and something to joke about. Really, I can’t feel bad for them.

              1. Are you saying that you don’t occasionally rape your orphans?

                1. I use an eleven-foot pole.

                  He has long enough arms so they can’t get away.

          2. Well, is there any reality to owning weird art and unexplained emails?

    4. They haven’t proven that there isn’t a secret cabal of Pedophiles running the world, therefore there is.

      Am I doing the conspiracy thing right?

      1. No, you have to spell it, “paedophilia,” to properly Conspiracy Theory. The other spelling refers to the ring being run in Hollywood that Corey Feldman claims is giving young, up and coming, actors the Roman Pole-asski.

        1. That one I can believe, though. Straight Hollywood power players have been doing it to young would-be actresses since the dawn of cinema – it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the gay ones were doing the same things with young men.

  10. President-elect Donald Trump is targeting manufacturers looking to move abroad, warning it would be an “expensive mistake.”

    Moving a broad, though, different story.

    1. That can be an expensive mistake too.

      1. Expansive, too.

        1. Was Rachel Maddow born abroad?

          1. Hmm. I was going to make a fairly NSFW comment here, but my better angels slapped me about the head and shoulders and made me stop.

            So I’ll just say…. it’s hard to tell.

          2. The correct answer, as I’m sure we all know, is “no.”

          3. It doesn’t look like it…(does this put me on a list?)

          4. I know some women who were definitely born that way and are way more manly than Maddow.

    2. Be sure to grip them by the proper handle to minimize injuries?

  11. Pelosi: ‘I Don’t Think that People Want a New Direction’
    ‘Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families’

    DICKERSON: “The Democratic Party is in a moment of questioning about its identity. You were reelected to lead the Democrats in the House. What do you tell Democrats who want a new direction and then, go to you, what are you going to do differently?”

    PELOSI: “Well, I don’t think people want a new direction. Our values unify us and our values are about supporting America’s working families. That’s one that everyone is in agreement on. What we want is a better connection of our message to working families in our country, and that clearly in the election showed that that message wasn’t coming through. But we are united in terms of the security of our country, which is our first responsibility. To be smart and strong and not reckless in how we protect the American people, strong in how we protect our economy.”

    1. /face palm.

      1. She is quite the piece of work.

        1. I don’t actually want the Democrats to be destroyed, I want them to move back towards being actual liberals.

          Sadly, it seems like they are intent on destroying themselves, just like the GOP establishment was intent on destroying themselves after Bush. Luckily for the GOP, the base revolted and made the party relevant again in a big way, with almost no help from the establishment.

          Difference is, most Republicans are decent people with a decent, though by no means good, grasp on economics. Democrats are brainwashed morons from top to bottom.

          1. Seriously?

            Like, what the fuck, are you talking about the party officials or members?

            Either way, until you accept decent honest people might disagree with you for decent and honest reasons you’re going to be stuck not reaching them for shit.

            Ideological Turing Test and all that.

            1. The movers and shakers appear to mostly be idiots, barring exceptions like Webb, while the whole response by the more youthful supporters show that their base is rife with brainwashed morons. There’s certainly a core of Democrats that aren’t of that nature, but most of them likely didn’t support Clinton (or at least strongly disliked her but supported her anyway because Trump). It’s pretty obvious given their response that the inmates are running the asylum, and if the sane Democrats are smart they’ll start pushing for more control within their own party.

            2. Yes. Seriously.

              I do accept that they may be honest and decent people. That does not preclude them from being brainwashed morons, does it?

              I’m a libertarian, from the outside, looking in on both parties. It is very fucking rare to find a Democrat who will debate anything in good faith. Check out the Dems that frequent this board for example. In real life, I live in a very liberal area. I work in a very conservative area in a different part of the country. I know it is anecdotal, but a quick jump over to progressive “news” sites still is not changing my mind in the slightest.

    2. Look, Nancy Pelosi is one of the stupider human beings on the planet.

    3. It’s not the message, it’s the people hearing it.

    4. They don’t want a new direction, they want a nude erection.

      1. “I’m looking for Mike Hunt.”

        1. I saw him hanging out with Mike Hoch.

          1. At Pat McGroin’s place, right?

            1. Yep, yukking it up with Craven Moorehead and Phil McGuddies.

    5. “Hubris, hubris, hubris…”

    6. She probably right if she’s doing it doggy style.

    7. Whenever either party loses, it’s always the same thing. “We just couldn’t get our message out effectively…” Nobody has ever said “well, I guess our content just isn’t popular.”

      1. “The dogs won’t eat it.”

    8. What we want is a better connection of our message to working families in our country, and that clearly in the election showed that that message wasn’t coming through.

      Translation: “We’re fucking geniuses and those stupid rednecks just don’t get it! So we’ll just keep telling them over and over again how fucked-up, hateful, and stupid they are. They will love us then!”

    9. Good, good. Learn nothing.

    10. Well, I don’t think people want a new direction.


    11. our first responsibility. To be smart and strong

      So eat your spinach.

    12. I have a theory that about 18 months ago Pelosi fired the staffer whose only job was to keep her from revealing how stupid she is.

      And they didn’t always succeed, obviously that’s an impossible job, but they let her pass for a human for many years.

      And now the mask is off.

  12. Police in Washington, D.C. arrested a man who allegedly walked into Comet Ping Pong, the restaurant at the center of the pizzagate conspiracy theory, with a gun and fired at least one shot.

    Geez, Reason commenter “John” really hates pizza.

    1. Possible therefore true.

    2. and fired at least one shot

      “At least.” So, at least we now know the number of shots is a non-zero number.

    3. I heard the location was random, but that he flew into a murderous rage after spotting some guy eating deep dish with a knife and fork.

  13. Trump became the first U.S. president-elect or president in decades to talk to the president of Taiwan over the phone.

    He had just noticed a tag on his tie that said Made in Taiwan.

    1. *drops coffee, stand to vigorously applaud*

  14. BMW traps alleged thief by remotely locking him in car

    “A car thief awoke from a sound slumber Sunday morning (Nov. 27) to find he had been remotely locked inside a stolen BMW, just as Seattle police officers were bearing down on him,” Spangenthal-Lee wrote. The suspect found a key fob mistakenly left inside the BMW by a friend who’d borrowed the car from the owner and the alleged crime was on.

    But technology triumphed. When the owner, who’d just gotten married a day earlier, discovered the theft, the police contacted BMW corporate, who tracked the car to Seattle’s Ravenna neighborhood. The car was parked, still running, with the snoozing suspect fast asleep behind the wheel.

    “BMW employees were able to remotely lock the car’s doors, trapping the suspect inside, presumably while hissing something terrifying like ‘I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me’ into the car’s sound system,” Spangenthal-Lee wrote. (Yes, that’s a line from “Watchmen.”)

    1. Yes, the Seattle Police would only use that technology for good. I definitely want that in MY car, so that should the police decide that I’m not sufficiently obedient, they can trap me there until they have enough goons and tasers to teach me some manners.

    2. ‘Where are you going, Dave?’

        1. *Narrows single red brown eye*

          1. Eeeeew. What are you doing, Dave?

            1. something something stick shift

      1. “Open the Z-3 doors, Hans.”

        1. “I am afraid I can’t do that”

    3. I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to make cars so that it is possible to lock someone inside.

      1. LUDDITE!

        *locks Zebulon in his car; promptly hands device and keys to STEVE SMITH!*

        1. When it comes to cars, it’s a fair cop. I won’t even use the key fob thing. Keys work just fine. And I almost never lock my car anyway.

          1. Girl, Interrupted. Zebulon, Explained.

            1. I’m amused by responding to jokes with serious answers.

              And maybe it just wasn’t that good of a joke. They can’t all be winners.

          2. Yeah. Put this on the “sentences I never would have imagined in 1980” list.

            I went to the store Saturday and said, “I need a battery for my car key.”

      2. Speaking of that, why didn’t the guy crawl into the trunk and use the emergency kidnap handle that are mandatory in all cars now?

        1. The foldback seats are part of the $2500 comfort package /BMW dealer

        2. He was asleep?

  15. The prime minister of New Zealand unexpectedly resigned after eight years in office, saying it was the “right time.”

    He wanted to spend more time with his sheep?

  16. A 23-year-old Finnish man is believed to have killed the three women with a hunting rifle

    “I believe I’ll have another beer.”

    At least it wasn’t an assault weapon!

    1. A 23-year-old Finnish man is believed to have killed the three women with a hunting riflehigh powered military style sniper weapon.

  17. Hell of South Korean dog meat farms exposed – as caged, starved and frightened dogs await death

    This is the hell on earth endured by the 2.5 million canines a year destined for dinner plates in South Korea.

    Yet the cruel dog farming industry remains a taboo subject for a nation proud to be a global technology powerhouse and host of the 2018 Winter Olympic Games.

    South Korea is the only country in the world known to routinely and intensively farm dogs for human consumption and today the Daily Mirror exposes the ?horrendous cost to the animals.

    TV wildlife presenter Chris Packham told us: “A lot can be made about the cultural difference here, but if we want to share this world then we have to bring each others behaviour into light.

    1. I’m not sure starving your food animals is the way to deliver quality.

      1. Right. I have no problem believing the dogs leave a boring and/or horrific existence, but the idea that they’re not well-fed just doesn’t make sense.

        1. From what I read, most of the dogs at these “farms” are not raised there, but rather are kidnapped pets, so they may not be feeding them much between when they’re stolen and when they get killed.

          Also, there’s apparently a belief that the more the dogs suffer, the better the meat tastes.

          1. Also, there’s apparently a belief that the more the dogs suffer, the better the meat tastes.

            Everyone knows this is true.


          2. I thought that Koreans had a special breed of dog for eating and what you describe is more of a Chinese/Hong Kong thing. I could be wrong.

            1. There is a breed that is usually raised only for meat, not as a pet, the nureongi. However, while the majority of dog meat consumed in Korea comes from nureongi, it isn’t the only one they eat.

          3. From what I read, most of the dogs at these “farms” are not raised there, but rather are kidnapped pets

            They’ve never heard of breeding in South Korea? This smells like bullshit.

      2. The dog jerky’s not that bad …

  18. Alexander Van der Bellen won the presidential election in Austria.

    You know who else won an election, name started with an A, was from Austria?

          1. +2 da choppuh

    1. Every Archduke that was elected Holy Roman Emperor?

    2. Arnulf of Carinthia was not elected but rather appointed (and persuaded) by pope Formosus.

  19. Trump treats the Constitution as though if it was a married woman’s pussy: Why Trump Would Almost Certainly Be Violating the Constitution If He Continues to Own His Businesses

    But unless Trump sells or gives his business to his children before taking office the Emoluments Clause would almost certainly be violated. Even if he does sell or give it away, any retained residual interest, or any sale payout based on the company’s results, would still give him a stake in its fortunes, again fairly clearly violating the Constitution.

    1. The Emoluments Clause bars U.S. officials, including the president, from receiving payments from foreign governments or foreign government entities unless the payments are specifically approved by Congress. As ProPublica and others have detailed, Trump’s business has ties with foreign government entities ranging from loans and leases with the Bank of China to what appear to be tax-supported hotel deals in India and elsewhere. The full extent of such ties remains unknown, and Trump has refused to disclose them, or to make public his tax returns, through which many such deals, if they exist, would be revealed. Foreign government investments in Trump entities would also be covered by the clause, as would foreign government officials paying to stay in Trump hotels, so long as Trump stands to share in the revenues

    2. Didn’t he already say he was stepping down? Also, I’m pretty sure G. Washington continued several business ventures while president. So I’m not sure how clear the case actually is.

      1. I believe he has to sell the business, or some businesses (he owns around 500 companies), not just put them in a blind trust, which is what he said he would do, although maybe he has said something else recently.

        1. Others have just put everything in a blind trust. Which seems kinda silly, for the reasons you point out.

          “Oh, approving that huge arms sale to Saudi Arabia helps my stock in Raetheon? How could I have known?!? That’s all held in blind trust!”

          1. “Unexpected windfall!”

        2. There’s plenty-o-precedent to support the blind trust way of going about it. Simply owning things as president isn’t illegal. Holding an office in something you own while taking money from foreign entities X, Y and Z is probably illegal.

      2. Original G’s Pancake Houses were all the rage in 1793.

    3. Never hurts to actually look at a Constitutional clause, you know:

      No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

      Emolument is defined as “the returns arising from office or employment usually in the form of compensation or perquisites”. It does not include returns on (passive) investments.

      Reading this off the page, if Trump resigns all offices and takes no compensation from his companies, he can continue to own them regardless of how much business they do with foreign countries. If he really wanted to belt-and-suspender it, he could waive or donate any dividends as well.

      1. The Dems are reading the clause differently: having studied the Emoluments Clause ever since 1978, it’s always been clear to me that its language is deliberately very broad, that it covers any kind of payment, not just a gratuity or a gift, but an ordinary payment to a profit-making enterprise,” Tribe said.

        Eisen, Tribe and Painter believe Trump needs to totally divest himself from his business, liquidate the assets and place the profit into a true blind trust governed by an independent trustee who is not one of his children.

        Federal ethics laws do not mandate this, but previous presidents have acted as though it does. The Office of Government Ethics issued a memorandum in 1983 stating that presidents should act as though the laws apply to them.

        Trump has said he will tell us what he will be doing in a few weeks.

        1. it covers any kind of payment, not just a gratuity or a gift, but an ordinary payment to a profit-making enterprise

          Words have meanings, and that isn’t the meaning of emolument, in this context or any other. Sorry, Larry, you were wrong on the 2A, and you’re wrong on this.

          What Larry doesn’t explain is why every single cabinet secretary isn’t required to sell off all their investments and place them in a blind trust. If that is what the law requires, than why isn’t it being applied that way?

          1. I don’t disagree, I think it’s interesting this is tact the Dems are going to use against Trump before he takes office, and I assume after as well. Suddenly the Emoluments Clause matters.

  20. Drinking too much water can kill, report says

    Drinking too much water left a woman with a urinary tract infection seriously ill, and doctors said water intoxication can kill you.

    After drinking the excess water to, as she said, “flush out her system,” the 59-year-old woman in London developed hyponatremia, also called water intoxication, according to a new BMJ Case Reports.

    The condition is marked by an abnormally low level of sodium in the blood. Sodium helps regulate the quantity of water in and around cells.

    The report said there is a death rate of nearly 30 percent for patients whose sodium level drops drastically below normal.

    1. This woman is luckier than this woman.

    2. It’s not the excess of water per-se, it’s that she wasn’t consuming enough salt to let her body process that. Hyponatremia used to be virtually unknown in the US until people started jumping on the anti-salt bandwagon. A friend was on a Grand Canyon hike a few years back and one of his fellow hikers had to be med-evac’d out due to Hyponatremia. Dumb fuck was fine on water, but because salt was the enemy he wasn’t eating none of that even in the fucking desert.

      1. Happens about once a year to a marathoner, too. They get so hydration focussed, and so salt averse that they crash and die.

      2. I call it natural selection.

      3. This “drink water all the time” attitude is pretty common. For example last spring I went to a local parade – it must have only been 70 degrees outside – and a lot of people were walking around with water bottles. I’m thinking: “You know people you can go for a half hour without drinking something. Your body will survive this ‘scorching’ heat.”

      4. It happens in boot camp. The DIs are always yelling at you to hydrate, and there occasionally is some dumbass that severely overdoes it. During a night hump when I was in training, there was a kid who fell out on the night hump and started convulsing because he had drank something like 20 canteens of water without eating much.

    3. 8 glasses a day she took too far.

    4. Ban dihydrogen monoxide!

  21. Stiletto-heel shoe wielded in Mankato strip club fight; 2 dancers charged

    A Mettler’s manager reported that the dancers had been asked to leave after an argument with two other employees, according to the criminal complaint.

    Instead of leaving, Strayhorn and Jordan allegedly attacked the other two employees. One employee reported Jordan hit her in the face with a stiletto-heel shoe. The other reported that Jordan pulled out part of her hair weave. Strayhorn allegedly pepper sprayed the complainants.

    1. Sounds like a drag show, only fewer injuries.

    2. Jordan pulled out part of her hair weave.


    3. Caldonia got mad and grabbed a brick.

  22. I normally wouldn’t consider this worthy of a Monday derp link, but it is so obviously concocted out of thin air that I couldn’t resist.

    vote with me, hoping we could witness together the historic election of the first woman president. We both cried while watching the results come in on Tuesday night. Wednesday was my birthday. After staying up much of the night, I stumbled through the day in a fog of exhaustion as I met with students, colleagues, and neighbors in tears.

    In such a situation, how could I gage my own mental health?

    The psychiatrist cut me off.

    “Rachel, let me tell you something,” she waved her pad at me. “I voted for Trump.”

    I looked at her in stunned silence.

    “He is a good man. I know this,” she said. “I have many good reasons. He will stop the practice of ripping babies from their mother’s wombs at six months. He will stop drugs from pouring over the border. He will get rid of people who are here illegally, committing crimes and draining our country’s resources.”

    I started to argue. I told her how painful it had been to see Trump imitate a reporter with disabilities, to fear for my undocumented students, and witness a candidate run on a platform of hatred and fear.

    1. “He didn’t do that,” she said firmly. “Those are lies, all lies from a biased liberal media.”

      Suddenly, I was Harry Potter in The Sorcerer’s Stone. The person I took to be the ineffectual Professor Quirrell had just unwrapped his turban to reveal the Dark Lord Voldemort in possession of his body. But unlike Harry Potter, I am deeply averse to confrontation. As the psychiatrist lectured me, I sat frozen in my seat, retreating to some inner place for the rest of the session.

      1. If true, that’s a terrible therapist. Then again, the author seems like a terrible person, so it’s hard to care.

        1. I’m 99.99% confident it’s 99.9% bullshit.

      2. Imaginings are now journalism among whack jobs.

        1. Silly Rufus. Fake News can only come from the alt-right.

      3. After this, she walked out. The receptionist and the people in the waiting room gave her a standing ovation. The therapist was forced to resign in shame.

        1. And the therapist’s name?

          Albert Einstein.

      4. Suddenly, I was Harry Potter in The Sorcerer’s Stone.

        It really speaks to the juvenile mindset of the modern left that they reflexively filter everything through the lens of a series of books written for middle-schoolers.

      5. File that under “didn’t happen”.

        A psychiatrist might say that they voted Trump to a patient who was upset over the election in order to humanize the people she fears. But they wouldn’t proceed to present themselves as a caricature of Trump supporters. They wouldn’t start openly arguing policy with their patient, they’d use it as an opportunity to confront delusions they hold as true.

        Unless this woman has the worst psychiatrist in the United States. Also, it’s telling that this women is only capable of comparisons to children’s books. I mean, come on, at least roll with Brutus reference or something.

    2. The comments….


      These people get to vote. Gullible, gullible, gullible. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    3. My gutcheck tells me this is front to back bullshit, but assuming her therapist did indeed admit to voting Trump, it was probably in service of engaging a clearly distraught client and attempting to talk her through her anxiety, and the supposed lecture is the author’s post-hoc invention to rationalize disavowing her therapist.

      But that’s probably giving “Rachel” too much credit. I can’t help but think someone who invents the scenario she describes isn’t seeing a therapist for something, which means she unfairly demonized a professional with a hugely unprofessional allegation in order to publish. Pretty pathetic.

  23. Police: Combatants injured rolling on Legos on the floor

    A Wicomico sheriff’s deputy arrested a Tyaskin man after a fight Thursday morning, Dec. 1, during which several people were injured, according to police.

    Police said Jesse William Robert Jenkins, 23, got into a confrontation with three other people at a Tyaskin residence, during which he argued with a woman, throwing someone to the ground after they stepped in. A third person ended up with an injured arm when he intervened, police said, and both that person and Jenkins were further injured as they rolled on the floor over Legos.

    1. I think 90% of my injuries since I’ve had children are due to stepping on or tripping over Legos, doll accessories, etc. Legos seem especially hard to spot before stepping and uniquely able to dig themselves deep into your skin.

      1. My dad was putting a door into the first house my parents owned to connect the garage to the house, and he was wearing sandals while doing this. He stepped on a nail, and a few months later, after healing, he stepped on a lego brick, same spot, and it started bleeding all over again. Nails and Legos, equally deadly objects.

        1. Maybe it’s time we lawn dart/buckyball legos. For the children. And their parents.

        2. I’ve made it virtually unscathed for my first 6 years as a dad until last week. I wiped out twice Home Alone burglar style– once by stepping on a car with wheels down and then again on a plastic magazine for my kids foam dart gun. Though both of my ankles are turned and my forearm has a nifty bruise laceration, my son emerged hale.

    2. I’ll just leave this here.

      1. The things us immature men find amusing.

    3. I can’t be the only one hearing the Amok Time fight music in my head while reading this, can I?

  24. Nation’s worst drivers: Utahns

    After looking at 2 million data points nationally about such things as car crashes, traffic tickets and drunken driving, a new study reaches a dark conclusion about the Beehive State.

    “Utah’s drivers are the worst in the nation,” says the study by QuoteWizard, a website for comparing auto insurance.

    It says Utah is “second [worst] in the rankings for both accidents and speeding, as well as fourth-worst for minor citations.”

    It adds this sting: “Surprising for a state known for its non-drinking populace, Utah actually made the top 10 for DUIs, coming in at number nine.”

    1. I’ve lived in West Virginia. If Utahns are worse drivers than West Virginians, that is a truly terrifying prospect.

      1. I’ve only driven through WV a few times, but I have to agree.

      2. Maryland, especially around DC is exceptionally terrifying to drive in. Philadelphia is not great either.

        1. One reason I don’t get too worked up about driverless cars, we’ve already been conducting a multi-decade experiment in Maryland with mindless drones driving on the roads.

    2. Utahns?

      I thought they were Utahnians!

      1. Not Utahrds?

      2. Utonions?

        1. I thought that was a race of hyper-intelligent 9 foot ursines from the Gamma Quadrant?

          1. Dammit. You’re right. I always get those mixed up.

      3. Mr. Gambini, what is a Ute?

    3. False. Wherever I am currently residing, there also doth reside the worst drivers ever. I am not currently residing in Utah, therefore it logically flows that Utah does not have the worst drivers.

      1. I didn’t know we had other New Mexicans posting here.

    4. These numbers always skew to the remote Western states. Horrible winter weather, high winds, long distances between towns, flat straight roads for hundreds of miles, heavy semi traffic, no mass transportation, etc. I never liked stories like this referring to them as “bad drivers”.

  25. My sister’s boyfriend had been to the Oakland deathtrap before, got really uncomfortable because it was obviously a deathtrap, and left. So trust your Spidey-sense about these things, kiddos.

    1. This.

      “Look around for your nearest exit, which may be behind you.”

    2. Fact: Warty’s “sister” is just him in a wig.

      1. I thought it was a wig resting atop one of his tentacles. I mean, so I’ve been told.

        1. I thought it was a wig resting atop one of his tentacles (sic).

          1. “Yes…that one letter….TOTALLY changes the meaning, Yvette….”

    3. How much does you sister’s boyfriend make working from home?

      1. $4800 a week, working just two hours a day.

    4. I’ve been to any number of crappy warehouse punk shows – but anything above the ground floor would give me pause. Also – always know your exits in case the cops come or a big fight breaks out. Also never park too close to the building since you don’t want to get blocked from leaving if the cops roadblock both ends of the road.

      1. Good advice. I never thought of the parking angle.

  26. A gunman in Finland killed two journalists

    “…while no connection with the Trump transition team has yet to be made, we will continue to monitor the situation closely.”

    1. I bet Trump hasn’t even bothered to deny any wrongdoing here, either.

  27. Acquisition Chief: LCS Program ‘Broke’ the Navy

    “The miracle of LCS didn’t happen,” Francis told the Senate panel. “… Once the money wheel starts to turn, the business imperatives of budgets and contracts and ship construction take precedence over acquisition and oversight principles.”

    The experience of LCS, it broke the Navy,” said Sean Stackley, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition. “… We have our program managers pretty much under a microscope right now, and we’ve taken things like cost and we’ve put cost into our requirements so that you don’t get to ignore costs while you’re chasing requirement. Just like speed, range, power and payload, if you start to infringe on the cost requirement that we put into our documents, you have to report to [Research, Development and Acquisition] and [the Chief of Naval Operations] just like you do if you infringe on one of the other requirements.”

    In prepared testimony for the hearing, the Pentagon’s director of Operational Test and Evaluation, J. Michael Gilmore, gave a damning accounting of where the program stands, saying neither of the two LCS variants now being built by competing contractors is expected to be survivable in combat, a fact that undermines the whole concept of operations for the ship class.

    1. We need civilian oversight at the Pentagon so that generals and admirals will not be able to waste our countries’ precious funds on useless programs that do nothing other than line the pockets of military industrial complex.

    2. *begins to boil with rage*

      1. Just so I’m clear, the two *new* factors to be considered are:
        1) Cost
        2) Survivability in combat

        The old factors being:
        1) Hotness of the salespeople
        2) Number of Congressional districts construction could be spread across

    3. Clearly, this is the fault of private contractors. If the government were building the ships they’d overperform and come in under budget.

    4. People took the imagined hopes of the LCS too littorally?

  28. OT: I recently picked up a DVD at the library – Under the Skin with Scarlett Johansson. I didn’t know anything about the movie but Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 85% – (note the audience score was 55%, quite the divergence).

    Weird sci-fi movie – and much of the time Ms. Scarlett is in a state of undress.

    I’m wondering how she is considered so good looking. She’s got quite the er, large behind, a stout pair of legs, and a few extra inches of stomach. Her face isn’t that special. I suppose it’s very “womanly” look, but not quite my cup of tea.

    1. I think it’s great that gay people feel free to participate in this forum.

      1. Yep. I bet this philistine would kick Nigella Lawson out of bed too.

    2. The book is really interesting. It would be way too spoilery to explain the divergence in plot.

      1. I haven’t read the book – but based on my Wiki read last week, the movie was quite a bit different. I’ll check out the book.

    3. I can think of two reasons.

    4. She is a bit overrated, but I’ll be in my bunk regardless.

      1. Yeah, she can’t act for shit but her rack is magnificent.

    5. I would share a weekend in front of the fire with her.

    6. While I’d agree I don’t get the obsession some guys have with her (and Angelina Jolie for that matter), a big ass is very much a plus. One of the best features a woman can have, IMO.

      1. I don’t get the Jolie appeal…at all.

      2. She did not have a big ass in the film. NSFW.

    7. This is my kind of chick, but Indian actresses are almost never in a state of undress. Unless you’re talking about this fine woman.

  29. “Alexander Van der Bellen won the presidential election in Austria.”

    The use of “far-right” is interesting in the linked article.

    Is it possible to be anti-illegal immigration and not be called “far-right” in the American press?

    Are there any other “far-right” issues, or is not wanting to be overrun by African and Syrian refugees the only one?

    1. ‘Far-right’ is misused now. If you merely express a different opinion from the progressive narrative it’s considered ‘extreme’ or ‘far-right’ or worse….’neoliberal’.

      Like racism and misogynist.

      Oh, speaking of deadbeated anti-intellectual cunts get a load of Laurie Penny in all her debating glory:

      1. It worked for a while.

        Well, I wouldn’t say I’m far right.

        The effectiveness of shaming those who voice opinions contrary to Goodthink seems to be waning. Except on college campuses. They seem to be oblivious to it and are doubling down.

      2. “Far right” has been misused for quite some time.

        And just try finding the term “far left” in the mainstream press. There was an op-ed in the NYTimes a few years ago that I’ll never forget; it referred to Obama as “left of center.”

        1. If journalists applied the terms consistently, Obama and Hillary would be left-of-center and Warren and Sanders far-left extremists. But they’ve termed it such that Warren and Sanders are stock lefties while Obama and Hillary are centrists and anyone not advocating for fully socializing healthcare and post-secondary education and resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrians in the American midwest are far-right extremists.

          1. If memory serves, Friedman’s “Free To Choose” included an appendix that was a list of Socialist Party demands from the early 20th century. Most of them had already been accomplished by the 1970s, when Free To Choose was published!

    2. Opposition to rape cultures is a far-right position.

    3. +1 Overton Window

  30. Hate Doing Laundry? This Is the Robot for You

    The Japanese inventor received 6 billion yen ($53 million) from partners, including Panasonic Corp., last month to advance “the Laundroid” — a robot Sakane is developing to not only wash and dry garments, but also sort, fold and neatly arrange them. The refrigerator-size device could eventually fill the roles of washing machine, dryer and clothes drawer in people’s homes.

    Sakane, whose earlier inventions include an anti-snoring device and golf clubs made of space materials, said the funding will bring closer his dream of liberating humanity from laundry. Among his inspirations for the project is the 1968 Stanley Kubrick sci-fi classic “2001: A Space Odyssey.” Laundroid was designed to resemble the mysterious objects in the film that brought technology to prehistoric humans, and the project was originally code-named “Monolith.”

    1. “My God, its full of slacks!”

      1. Excellent.

      2. I chuckled.

    2. Another step closer to Judgement Day.

  31. I have absolutely no idea what the Pizzagate thing is. Like absolutely no idea what the conspiracy even is. I just don’t care enough to look it up.

    1. This is a controversial phenomenon known as Apathygate.

      1. “Recoiling in disgust is not the same as apathy.”

      2. Eh, I’m neutral on the whole apathy thing.

    2. I just don’t care enough to look it up.

      Good move, because its Sean Penn retarded.

      1. Yikes. Thanks for the warning.

      2. I googled it, now I get Pizzagate updates in my newsfeed. It’s a little embarassing.

    3. Basically a bunch of people saw e-mails relating to that place in the Podesta leaks, decided to start substituting words so that pizza meant child trafficking. It got dumber from there.

      1. Where’s Jesse Walker on this? I’m sure he’s furiously typing as we speak.

        There’s almost like a conspiracy theory dialectic, where the very worst thing you can imagine about your opponents is likely to emerge as the predominant conspiracy theory.

        In the wake of 9/11, what could be worse than the idea that the government was behind it? Viola! I give you truthers.

        Obama first winning was awful–of course he’s not really an American.

        Is there anything more awful than powerful politicians using a pizza place as a front for child trafficking?

        Think of the most awful thing you can imagine about Trump, make it somehow vaguely plausible, and I bet he gets accused of precisely that eventually.

        I’d say there’s a pattern, and we should always be skeptical of conspiracy theories that confirm our worst fears–but that’s what the Illuminati want you to think!

        FDR let Pearl Harbor happen to trick America out of its isolationism!

        Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by the Pope!

        Either that or the same conspiracy patterns emerge over and over again, with our worst fears constantly springing to life.

        1. Apophenia is a hell of a drug.

      2. Makes sense. You can’t spell “pedo stache” without “Podesta”.

    4. I just looked it up last night.

      The conspiracy theory says that powerful establishment Democrats are using the restaurant/club as a front for a child sex-trafficking ring.

        1. I asked Jesse nicely, but he said it gave him a headache.

          At least now we know what he tells his wife….

        2. Fact: “cosmo cocktail party” is pedo code for “kiddie-diddin’.”

        3. “Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?”

          Ok. VERY important question. What TYPE of cheese?

          1. Bad news: it’s “part” “skim” “mozzarella.”

            1. That order gets a fat 40-year-old guy in a baby doll dress sent to your house.

              1. Nobody wins on that deal.

  32. Andersen Cooper interview snippet with Elizabeth Warren…

    COOPER: Do you approve of any of the president-elect’s cabinet picks today?

    WARREN: Well, you know, I don’t know. Today he just talked about having the U.S. attorney, Preet Bharara, down, and I think Preet is a pretty terrific guy.

    /color me surprised

    1. ::fires up woodchipper::

    2. She’s just angling to not get subpoenaed by Preet. Guess what, Liz: there will be no sleep for Preet until he has subpoenaed EVERYONE. Your day is coming.

      1. He will have her scalp.

        It’s going to be serious Indian-on-Indian action.

  33. Let’s beat this horse some more even though crackers favored Romney over Trump….

    The conclusion is clear: White identity and issues surrounding it can play a big role in electoral outcomes. That helps explain why Trump won: All his dog whistles about making America great again (by perhaps reverting to a time when white people held a much stronger grip of government), political correctness, immigrants, Muslims, and “the African Americans” may have helped prime white people into voting for the racially regressive candidate. (There’s a lot more research backing this priming effect, which Dylan Matthews broke down for Vox.)

    It’s important to understand this to understand how identity politics works. It’s a two-sided debate: One side wants to preserve a status quo that has historically protected a white identity that many white, straight, cisgender (non-trans), Christian Americans identify with. The other side wants to carve out an opening for other groups to be more accepted in mainstream America: black people, Latino immigrants, LGBTQ individuals, and Muslim Americans, to name a few.

    1. t’s a two-sided debate: One side wants to preserve a status quo that has historically protected a white identity that many white, straight, cisgender (non-trans), Christian Americans identify with. The other side wants to carve out an opening for other groups to be more accepted in mainstream America: black people, Latino immigrants, LGBTQ individuals, and Muslim Americans, to name a few.

      Wow. That person competely misunderstands “both sides” of the debate in a way that only progs can manage to do.

      1. There are two types of people…. The truly enlightened and holy, and those who side with this straw man I’ve constructed….

    2. All his dog whistles about making America great again

      If it is a dog whistle, that means only racists can hear it. So, I guess the author of this article is a racist?

      1. But we can hear the racist dogs barking and see the guy blowing the whistle.

      2. It is funny how they say “if you can hear the whistle, you must be the dog” and then bark when they hear the whistle…

    3. It’s a one-sided debate that the one side is obsessively prosecuting while the other side tries its best to ignore it. The only “status quo” argument anyone is making is against further perverting the law in favor of identity grievance groups. Americans for the most part don’t speak batshit crazy campus prog, and so cannot even engage in your debate.

      It’s not a debate, it’s ideological conquest. Best to pull the plug on student loan funding and let these ideological deathtraps collapse rather than risking the infection spreading further.

    4. How about the side that doesn’t think government should be responsible for “preserving” or “carving out” a goddamn thing?

  34. Another OT: For decorating my house for Christmas, I installed one of those laser light shows – shooting red and greed beams onto the side of the house. Different modes can be selected, giving different effects.

    After some thought I said to my wife: “Here we are, living in the future and it just seems so common. I mean if you told me twenty years ago that I could carry a device in my pocket that would give me access to a camera, a phone, a network that allows me to access absolutely huge amounts of information, and I could play games, I wouldn’t have believed you. And I would be shooting lasers at my house for Christmas decorations – and only for $35, I also wouldn’t have believed you.”

    Maybe we need a moon base or some mining on Titan for me to really buy into the future… 😉

    1. “greed beams” for the win.

      1. *pew pew* and then the target becomes an evil capitalist.

      2. It is a libertarian house, right?

        1. I need to get me some of these greed beams and drive through that Standing Rock protest.

  35. Local news: Police officer decides not to give breathalyzer to prosecutor involved in crash.…..ve_br.html

    One law for them, another law for us.

    I sort of know this prosecutor but have never had a case against him. He’s typically in the circuit court and I am in district courts.

    1. “No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case…”

      Hence no breathalyzer test.

  36. I Don’t Want To Be The Breadwinner In My Marriage Anymore!

    Over the past four years, my career has skyrocketed in ways I never could have dreamed of. I’ve broken through the hypothetical glass ceiling in a male-dominated industry. I am a huge believer in women in the workplace and always will be. If they become the breadwinners in marriage, more power to them.

    Now herein lies my problem ? I became the breadwinner in an extreme way. I committed to supporting us for two years, but we’re going on four now, and it will likely be five. Our income divide is so extreme that I pay for 90 percent of our living expenses. What I’ve found is I can’t live this girl-power lifestyle that I believe in.
    ‘m very close to a breaking point, and I never stop thinking about leaving my husband. And no matter what other reasons I come up with, it always leads back to money, power and sexual attraction. I hate myself for it. I hate my sexist, wealthy, materialistic father, who likely instilled these ideals in me. I hate my mother-in-law, who thinks women shouldn’t have to work. I hate that I want a more traditional lifestyle with a husband who can provide for me.

    1. You know I hate being the main breadwinner of the family too, my precious snowflake. But as long as I’m making the primary income, and we don’t want to be reduced to living in hovel, I’m going to continue to do so.

    2. They don’t give those big salaries away honey. You have to earn them and they come with a lot of sacrifice. Your feminist college professors lied to you. You can’t have it all. Life is about choice and sacrifice honey.

      1. Opportunity cost is patriarchal when applied to women.

    3. hate my sexist, wealthy, materialistic father, who likely instilled these ideals in me

      Daddy issues? What. A. Surprise.

      1. I know therapy gets a bad rap, but this seems like a situation tailor made for therapy. Worst case is that she decides to leave her husband and go on her way without feeling soul-crushing guilt. Of course, if she goes off and finds some therapist who is just going to tell her she’s right and powerful and not call her on bullshit, it could fuck her up worse. My experience is that if you get a good one and do honest work, you can unfuck a lot of shit you had all fucked up in your head that made you try to do things that wouldn’t work in the real world.

        1. hate my sexist, wealthy, materialistic father, who likely instilled these ideals in me

          And of course her father didn’t instill these ideas in her. She choose to adopt these ideals. For every child of an ambitious hard working parent who has those qualities, there is one or more who reject them and in sometimes very radical and forceful ways.

          What is going on here is she hates herself. She is no doubt just like her father in many ways. She hates herself and transfers that hate onto her father. She is not mature enough to accept who she is and the decisions she has made. Instead, she pretends her father somehow made her who she is and he not she is responsible for who she is. Her first step is to take some responsibility and learn to accept who she is and either live with that or change it and stop blaming her father.

          1. I’m willing to give a little credence for her mindset, even if I think she’s drawn wrong conclusions from her experience. I still deal with a lot of cynicism and knee-jerk negativity that I learned at my mother’s knee. She got her bachelor’s in English intending to study law, but ended up teaching high school for decades. She’s relentlessly bitter about it. Meanwhile my dad started working construction after dropping out of college to support the family, worked his way up to foreman, and now owns a successful construction firm. I try inculcating more of his bootstrap mentality, but it’s goddamn hard unlearning the lessons of childhood. Her mistake, imo, is having conflated her maternal predilections with her father’s traditionalism and writing it all off as internalized misogyny. Her dad can be wrong without invalidating her own instincts.

            1. I have no doubt you do. But ultimately it is on you to realize that and either live with it or change. You can’t blame it on your mother. If you are like that, it is your fault for not changing.

              1. What’s even more wretched about the advice the column gives is that at least one of the respondents encouraged her to transmute her antipathy to her father into further criticism of her husband, essentially reinforcing the notion that “Breadwinner” is simply the victim of yet another man’s cruel misogynistic domineering. So, learn nothing and alienate yet another man from your life. Sad!

        2. I humbly disagree. I think this woman’s feelings are what most women would be feeling in her position.

          My wife doesn’t work. I was in the breakroom at work one day and, with tongue firmly in cheek, made a jokey comment about what my wife had packed for my lunch. A coworker (woman) said to me, “can’t you make your own sandwiches?”

          And I thought to myself, “my wife isn’t working; is it asking too much for her to take more than 5 minutes to prepare my lunch?” More important, what if the roles were reversed and I was the one at home (no kids). Would this coworker of mine been so quick to defend a non-working husband?

          1. Yeah there’s definitely a double standard. The feminists would accuse you of exploiting your wife. Apparently the only acceptable situation is both spouses working making the exact same pay and even then I suspect that there are a few reasons why a feminist would complain.

            1. … even then I suspect that there are a few reasons why a feminist would complain.

              “he doesn’t make me feel special”

          2. I humbly disagree. I think this woman’s feelings are what most women would be feeling in her position.

            Sure they are. But why does she have these feelings? She has these feelings because she regrets the choices she made not because her father somehow compelled her to make them. This woman’s problem is she can’t accept the consequences of the choices she made and because of that has an intense self loathing. The only way she is ever going to be happy is to forgive herself for the choices she made and make whatever changes to herself and her life are necessary to for her to be happy with herself and her life. And she won’t do that as long as she keeps blaming Daddy for her choices.

          3. I think this woman’s feelings are what most women would be feeling in her position.

            Maybe. The point of real therapy is to discover what you are feeling and figure out a way for it not to be dissonant with how you are behaving. Change the feelings or the behaviors.

            Also, as Lord H comments above, there are lots of days when I hate being the breadwinner. But I guess I just don’t have the learned expectation that there are lots of higher earning, desirable women out there I can trade up to. So different incentives.

    4. The sooner she leaves her husband, the better off he’ll be.

      1. not financially

    5. Sexual equality has consequences, just like elections. Deal with it.

    6. I committed to supporting us for two years, but we’re going on four now, and it will likely be five.

      Yet men routinely commit supporting their families for their entire lives. Yes, its a terrible responsibility. Boo frickin’ hoo that this entitled little chick isn’t man enough to bear up under it.

      1. It’s a good thing that women are waking up to the fact that they are not men with tits sans testicles. And it’s heartening that the idea that women do not necessarily inhere the same instincts as men, e.g. toiling away in support of and apart from the family for most of the day, is being discussed of all places on NPR. It would be a terrific social development to once again recognize and celebrate the contributions men make, and to recognize that wanting to embrace the role of domestic housewife is not a symptom of infirmity.

        1. Of course the conversation descends rapidly into “Your husband isn’t doing enough to support you,” but at least it’s being entertained. I do think there’s some wisdom in suggesting that money is a central problem, but it’s not necessarily the income disparity to blame. If she doesn’t want to be a sixty-hour-week high-earner professional, that’s not her husband’s fault. It’s her own for failing to pare back their lifestyle and to prioritize family over job. It’s not a binary decision. A man would probably be comfortable with their arrangement were he the majority or even sole breadwinner, but she clearly is not. Cop to it and arrange accordingly.

          1. Exactly what I was about to say. Reading between the lines, I’m thinking she’s clearing a quarter million at the very minimum. (Even if I’m totally wrong, she’s not middle-class.)

            If you hate your life and you’re making that much, you can pretty much quit it after a couple years and start working at Arby’s without ever worrying about food on the table, assuming you have decent saving habits and a moderate house and lifestyle. But I get a strong feeling that “moderate lifestyle” is something she wants even less than the work stress.

            1. High earning potential is a bizarre impediment to think she has. If her current employer has her on for a quarter mil, surely another employer would let her clear a hundred thousand for half the responsibilities. On the other hand, if her husband works as an adjunct professor and nets forty grand, it’s not like he can talk the department head into doubling his workload in exchange for eighty.

    7. “I am a huge believer in women in the workplace”

      What does that even mean?

      Sounds like something Foreman Trudeau would say.

    8. What I hate most of all is that this is not what my husband wants either. He never imagined that he would spend all of his savings to follow his dreams to come out on the other end making a quarter of his prior salary.

      Maybe she fell out of love with her husband because he made a gigantic mistake, or is a straight up idiot. 1/4th of what you were making before is too large a discrepancy to chalk up to “it didn’t work out the way I thought it would”. The guy did not do his homework beforehand. How can something be your dream job if you have to cut your income 75%?

    9. What I’ve found is I can’t live this girl-power lifestyle that I believe in.


  37. The Chapman article arguing for including gays under the CRA is just fucking mind blowing. How can reason publish this shit? Moreover, how can they publish is and then never publish anything beyond some Scott Shackford chin scratching about “well Libertarians don’t like public accommodation laws” to counter it? The CRA is an assault not just on freedom of association, it is a direct assault on freedom of speech. Including gays in it would effectively outlaw the public profession of Christianity, Judaism and yes even Islam as it is conceived by 90% of their adherents.

    And reason can’t be bothered to present that obvious case. Instead, they publish the piece of human totalitarian garbage that is Chapman telling us how the first amendment must be destroyed in the name of fairness.

    1. I was shocked at that article. I should know better than to expect any more out of Mr. No-Alt-Text, but I still find it insane that Reason would let it get published.

      1. Publishing it is bad enough. What is worse is never publishing a detailed rebuttal. Judging on what they actually publish, you can reasonably assume reason as a magazine supports this. If they don’t, then why doesn’t anyone make the effort to rebut Chapman?

      2. I have been reading Reaason for 15 years and I have never heard them editorialize for repealing the CRA. Not sure why you expect that to change now.

        1. I have been reading Reaason for 15 years and I have never heard them editorialize for repealing the CRA. Not sure why you expect that to change now.

          I don’t. But when reason never editorializes in favor of repealing it and in fact publishes articles like this one, it is fair to say that reason supports the CRA and all of the restrictions on freedom it entails. I don’t think the usual “it is just one author’s opinion” defense offered by the magazine’s apologists works in this case. If it is just one author’s opinion and not the opinion of the entire staff and the magazine as a whole, then why isn’t there any evidence of that?

          1. I also find it curious that the pushback from various commenters is only coming now that gays want in on the action. I don’t recall anyone threatening to cancel my subscription! over civil rights in the previous 14 years I’ve been around.

            1. Well, this is the first major expansion of the CRA in quite awhile, you know. Its one thing to say “The status quo sucks, but we can’t change it, so why waste our time.” Its another to say “The status quo sucks, so lets expand its scope in ways that will have major impacts on other parts of our public life.”

              1. At this point, Counselor, it would simply make more sense to simply denote who *isn’t* a designated group worthy of special protections, preferably in writing so’s those people know who’s pretty much fucked and shouldn’t even utter a peep.

                1. If you include regulations which have already illegally expanded the scope of “sex” discrimination to include gender discrimination, the unprotected class at this point is straight white men under the age of 40.

                  1. the unprotected class at this point is straight white men under the age of 40.

                    Correction: factory original, XY chromosome possessing, straight, white men, under the age of 40. Interestingly enough, this includes Robby Horses himself, his puny physique notwithstanding.

                    I’m not exactly sure when people, even those on this board who profess a love for science, started believing the contrived, mythical, religiously applied concept of, “I think I am, so’s that makes it true, even if biology can concretely prove otherwise.”

                    1. My personal identity is whatever I say it is, and you’ll just have to take my word for it and submit to whatever humiliating conscience-defying demands I make of you, but don’t you dare analogize it to faith or suggest I have cynical motives.

              2. this is the first major expansion of the CRA in quite awhile, you know

                Fair point.

                1. Yes, this – my objections are in no way “there go teh gaze again!” but “why are we expanding this bad thing?”. It’s not the principals I object to, it’s the principles.

                2. Rhywun,

                  It is also a direct threat to freedom of religion in a way the previous act was not.

                  1. It is also a direct threat to freedom of religion in a way the previous act was not.

                    This may be practically true for certain reasons but not the ones you might think. A lot of people saw miscegenation as an abomination in God’s eyes but nobody went around forcing racists to bake interracial wedding cakes (as far as I know, anyway).

                    The potential to violate religious beliefs has always been there. It is only coming to the fore in the present day because mouthy anti-religionists want to push their shit down other people’s throats, and it happens to be at a time when the most visible religious opposition is against gay marriage rather than interracial marriage.

                    Once they get their gay wedding cakes, they’ll force some other issue against religious people.

      3. Which leads me to this: I’ve donated fairly generously to Reason over the years but this sort of thing has me re-thinking it. Do I hold my nose, since they’re still least worst, or withhold some or all of my donations? In either case, it’s unclear how to make my displeasure felt.

        What say you: have you been withholding donations?

        I know some Reasonoids read the comments, so they can’t be unaware of how this sort of statist bullshit is turning off readers. I used to think the “cosmotarian” accusations were only half-joking, but it’s become harder to say that is so.

        1. That they would run that piece of crap during pledge week is a bit remarkable to say the lease.

          I would also point out that I, RC Dean and a couple of others on here said that making gay marriage a constitutional right would lead to calls for the courts to recognize gays under the CRA and we were called paranoids. Sure enough, we are being proven exactly right.

          Chapman doesn’t even call for amending the act. He thinks gays are a protected class and should be read into the act by the courts. And after gay marriage, why shouldn’t he?

        2. Meh. Letting even retards voice their opinions fits into the “free minds” ideal. Readers should be able to come to their own conclusions without the editorial staff having to shut down the bad writers. Should they publish a rebuttal? I dunno, maybe that would assuage some people. I don’t fall in the camp that believes that all Reason contributors fully support the ideas put out in every piece that gets published. I do think Chapman is a giant douche, but I’m not going to abandon Reason because they publish his nonsense.

          1. Yeah, I don’t need a rebuttal for every statist crap article, but it feels like there are more and more articles that aren’t even pretending to have a libertarian bent – e.g., everything by Shikha.

            1. How do you expect to have liberty without top people deciding market forces, special accommodations, and what you’re allowed to say in public? It would be road-less chaos!

              On top of that, how dare you disparage women of color in that way? You sound like one of those fake alt-right libertarians who are trying to co-opt the ideology from the original left-libertarians.

          2. I am not talking about publishing a rebuttal to that article. I am talking about publishing the other side to the argument at all. If you don’t think the staff agrees with Chapman, then explain why none of them have ever once bothered to say so.

            1. Because, John, I do read other articles here. I don’t require them to explicitly say that they don’t agree with a viewpoint when the bulk of their articles implicitly make the point. Maybe it’s your work as a lawyer that drives you to parse the ever-loving fuck out of everything printed then over-generalize the reason. The sheer volume of material that is counter to what Chapman puts out is enough for me to know that they don’t all agree. The fact that you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Granted I’ve only been perusing Reason for about seven years now. Maybe that’s why I can’t see the problems that all of the lifers keep complaining about.

              1. The CRA is a big deal. And I don’t think it is too much to ask that a Libertarian magazine publish an explanation of why it is bad, especially if it is going to publish articles that advocate for its expansion.

                Given the importance of the CRA and the decision to publish Chapman, why do you give them the benefit of the doubt? I don’t see any reason why you should.

                1. Given the importance of the CRA and the decision to publish Chapman, why do you give them the benefit of the doubt? I don’t see any reason why you should.

                  1. The principle of charity
                  2. I don’t collectivize all of the writers into “Reason”
                  3. Each writer has their comfort zone, they tend to stick to their field
                  4. Reason magazine nor any of it’s contributors are my enemy, I have no reason to think they’re evil
                  5. Chapman gets space here once or twice a week, the others have multiple posts per day
                  6. I’m not a libertarian so I don’t go out of my way to take it personally
                  7. Just because I don’t agree with someone is no reason for them to not freely share their opinion
                  8. These posts are almost completely opinion

        3. There’s another commenter (whose handle escapes me right now), who has been halving his donation each year in protest.

          1. Sloopy fits that description, I think.

      4. During a donation drive, no less.

  38. If you missed Walking Dead, Negan, the psychopathic gang leader, threatens to come by and take half of the small commune’s shit. Two characters are arguing about whether or not to pay him. The wimp, son of a congresswoman, says they should just pay and and think of it as paying taxes. I’m beginning to love that show.

    1. I still watch the show, but 7 seasons is starting to wear heavily on me.

      1. I dropped it. I loved the source material, but the show has just gotten so tiring to watch.

        1. It’s gone off into hardcore sadism, but if they expose the dangers of authoritarianism, I’ll take it.

        2. I’m at the point where I read the show recap, and then, if it sounds interesting, will scan through the show online. Even the comic, which I still get, is getting a little tiresome.

          1. It’s either that or Japanese TV. They took all the TnA off the late night shows here when the Nagano Olympics were held and never brought them back. Bastards. Youtube Gilgamesh Japan sometime and enjoy.

    2. Have you watched “Falling Skies” yet? It has a surprising amount of what you described there. I haven’t finished the show yet, but so far it’s pretty solid.


      When faced with our main characters, the main baddies will reliably try to first talk their way out of the confrontation. Often by saying things like humanity would only have wiped itself out with war or global warming anyway, so the conquest (and near-genocide, camps, etc.) is really good for humanity. Their main flaw is hubris (explained by a previous lack of opposition) and this kind of talk tends to get them unexpectedly killed by those inferior humans.

  39. Anyone following this Jill Stein recount thing? I thought they already gave up on that but my morning news says it’s on in guess-which three states.

    1. They moved their suit in PA to federal court. The electoral college votes next Monday. I can’t see how they can stop it and stop Trump from winning. They would have to invalidate the electors in PA, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio all four to keep him under 270. Moreover, if they did, the country would revolt.

      I still think the entire thing is just a money making scheme for Jill Stein.

      1. I still think the entire thing is just a money making scheme for Jill Stein.

        Well duh. Got to admit it was smart of her to take advantage of gullible idiots like this.

        1. After giving tens of millions of dollars to Hillary, you would have thought they would have been a bit wiser with their money. But rich progressives seem to be the easiest mark in the known world. What a bunch of rubes.

      2. I don’t know what Stein’s personal motivation is, but I’m going to bet that some of the others in this have specific goals. First, undermine the legitimacy of the Trump presidency: they may not reverse the result, but they can attempt to handcuff him by suggesting he didn’t really win (see Bush 2000). Second, I think it’s also part of a more general assault on the Electoral College.

        1. That too. It is all about inventing a myth to tell the believers. Admitting they lost the election fair and square would require them to admit there might be a problem with their ideology. And questioning the ideology is not something the left does.

          The Republicans ought to be happy about this. It shows that the left continues to remember everything and learn nothing. Things are just going to get worse for them. You can’t solve a problem until you admit you have one.

          It is like the inauguration. These dumb asses are going to protest it. It is hard to think of something that is going to annoy the public more and turn them off to the left more than protesting the inauguration. The public is always burned out on politics and wants both sides to shut up for a while after an election. The left is going to come across as the bride’s drunk ex-boyfriend who shows up at a wedding and gets arrested for making a scene.

        2. suggesting he didn’t really win (see Bush 2000)

          It was actually much worse in 2000, at least because of the Florida recount. It also helps that Hillary already conceded. I think they’re delusional about any recounts this time so yeah it’s all signals and FU money at this point.

      3. I still think the entire thing is just a money making scheme for Jill Stein.

        Well, she’s from the Green Party.

        She’s got to make green.

      4. Its about establishing her and the Green Party as the primary anti-Trump force. They want to be the New Progressive Party.

        1. Also, currying favor with more establishment dems. Perhaps they fear a Night of the Long Knives.

      5. As someone pointed out in the other thread, you don’t need 270 votes to win. You need a majority of electors appointed. That means disqualified states don’t get counted towards the total; 270 is only the correct number when 538 electors are appointed. They would have to disqualify the electors for more than those three states to change the outcome of the election.

    2. I like how people keep pretending that Jill Stein is doing the Jill Stein recount thing.

      As if Jill Stein had contacts with $5 million bucks ready to go from the second she announced the recount effort.

      And despite the fact that there were articles for 2 or 3 days about the Clinton campaign team meeting with these same folks about a recount based on the exact same theories, and then suddenly, out of the blue, Jill Stein has a $5 million starter fund for her recount effort.

      She’s the fig leaf. This is all.

      Which everyone knows. I just find it annoying that the same people that told me about the Clinton meetings and the planned recount pretend that they never heard of such a thing the very next day.

      Look, if Jill Stein isn’t calling the shots, it isn’t a Jill Stein recount effort. And she isn’t calling the shots, obviously. They came to her with a prepackaged strategy and a bundle of cash to get it done. Why are we pretending she’s anything other than a front?

      1. The same people who are convinced Russia stole the election from Hillary turn around and swear Jill Stein is doing this alone.

      2. I just find it annoying that the same people that told me about the Clinton meetings and the planned recount pretend that they never heard of such a thing the very next day.

        I think they really do disdain their readers/customers. Which is why their product is so inferior.

  40. President-elect Donald Trump is targeting manufacturers looking to move abroad, warning it would be an “expensive mistake.”

    ?S?, se?or presidente! ?Lo que usted diga, se?or presidente!

    You’re officially living inside a Banana Republic, ladies and gentlemen.

    1. I thought we already were… years ago.

      1. It’s just that the banana is getting peeled slowly.

        Eventually that rotten banana will be rubbed in our faces.

        1. These euphemisms are certainly not subtle.

    2. That was the centerpiece of Clinton’s economic plan as well. Her only positive issue ad run in my area was the one that listed off things like targeting the rich who move overseas or renounce their citizenship in order to avoid “their fair share”. She was going to hit them with a huge excise tax. (and you can look it all up on her website!)

      So not only corporations, but the evil and unpatriotic rich.

      So we are 2 for 2 on the major party candidates with the banana republic thing. 3 for 3 if you tack on Dr. Jill Stein.

      I would have said Johnson was our only hope, but he probably would have answered with “So what is this ‘abroad’ thing?”

      1. Obama changed the IRS regulations to make it much more difficult for American citizens to renounce their citizenship and become foreign citizens.

        To me that and the long standing IRS practice of taxing American citizens for all income no matter where it is made is a much bigger infringement on individual rights than telling companies they lose their tax breaks if they move jobs overseas.

        Yet, I never once recall Old Mexican saying a word about that. Somehow Trump seems to have focused his mind a bit.

        1. Re: John,

          Yet, I never once recall Old Mexican saying a word about that.

          Let it be known for the Nth FUCKING time that I care little for the IRS and its existence and that much more eloquent people than me have been speaking against this monstrosity for years which makes my opinion on the matter a mere drop in the chatter bucket. OK?

          is a much bigger infringement on individual rights than telling companies they lose their tax breaks if they move jobs overseas.

          Aren’t you the shifty one? Did El Se?or Presidente Trumpo ever mentioned losing tax breaks? Of course a company loses tax breaks offered by a State if it moves to another STATE, let alone another country. Give me a break, John. The man is THREATENING companies with tariffs.

          1. It is a question of degree. One is a much greater infringement on individual rights than the other. Understand, companies can still move overseas, they just lose some of their political juice back home. That is something entirely different than what is going on with individuals. Corporations are not taxed for money they make abroad. Individuals are. And if the IRS thinks you are changing citizenship to avoid taxes, they can basically declare you a defacto citizen and make you keep paying taxes.

            It is what it is. Since you have long since lost your mind on anything related to Trump, you think it is the exact same thing because TRUMP!! Those of us not in need of medication, not so much.

            1. Re: John,

              It is a question of degree.

              John, it is one thing to use the IRS to tax someone’s income abroad. It is quite a different matter when a president-elect who hasn’t been sworn in yet starts PUBLICLY THREATENING companies and businesses with making their life harder if they ever cross the border in the wrong direction. One is a violation of personal property rights, indeed, yet not inconsistent with what the US government has done for years against all individuals. The latter is, instead, the stuff of tin-pot dictators.

              Corporations are not taxed for money they make abroad.

              AND????? You think this is a matter of BALANCE? Do you comprehend the seriousness of what El Se?or Presidente Trumpo is doing? He’s browbeating private companies by shaming them publicly! This is not like Obama’s “you didn’t build that” canard.

              1. John, it is one thing to use the IRS to tax someone’s income abroad. It is quite a different matter when a president-elect who hasn’t been sworn in yet starts PUBLICLY THREATENING companies and businesses with making their life harder if they ever cross the border in the wrong direction.

                Yes. They are very different. The IRS has actual power and has been doing it for a long time. Moreover, taxing income abroad is something much worse and much more unprecedented than protectionism, which is enshrined in the constitution and has been going on for the entire history of the Republic.

                AND????? You think this is a matter of BALANCE? Do you comprehend the seriousness of what El Se?or Presidente Trumpo is doing?

                Yes I do. It is called protectionism. And it has been going on since the country was founded. You are only acting like this is some big serious deal because you lost your mind and can’t help but let Trump troll you.

                People like you is why is he President and why is likely to remain so for two terms. He puts ou that tweet, you take the bait and spend the next newscycle or more lauding the benefits of companies shutting down American plants and moving overseas. And you are so out of your mind on this issue, you can’t even comprehend how badly he is playing you.

        2. Obama changed the IRS regulations to make it much more difficult for American citizens to renounce their citizenship and become foreign citizens.

          Yes, I am well-aware of that one, also. However, certain types of overseas trusts and retirement accts. are still safe from FATCA, interestingly enough.

        3. I’m sure he’s never said a peep here about the starving Biafrans either, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care.

      2. That’s why when Trump said he’d strip you of citizenship if you burned a flag, I was thinking, “Fuckin’ A, awesome.”

      3. Her only positive issue ad run in my area was the one that listed off things like targeting the rich who move overseas or renounce their citizenship in order to avoid “their fair share”. She was going to hit them with a huge excise tax.

        Yes, I know. I was preparing for her being elected; which is why I was very surprised and somewhat buoyed by Troomp’s election. I seriously doubt he’s going to do anything about FATCA, since I am one of those unpatriotic types these days. (Never mind I followed the Troomp Marriage Preference Plan to achieve wedded bliss;-)

        1. *Cheers* To the diaspora!

  41. Warning: It’s the Sun so semi-NSFW

    Actress who offered to perform sex act on everyone who voted ‘No’ in Italian referendum launches tour of cities to make good on promise

    Paola Saulino, 27, who lives and works in Los Angeles, promised voters who rejected the change a ‘present’ after the poll.

    Now she has posted dates for a tour of Italian cities throughout January and told her fans: “I am a woman of my word.”

    She added: “Those who say NO to the referendum will be waiting in delight for my ‘Pompa Tour’ in January for what I promised to those who voted no.”

    ‘Pompa’ means ‘pump’ in Italian and is also a vulgar slang term for a certain sex act. The Facebook post also features a provocative picture of her sucking on a lolly.

    ‘No’ voters will be sent a booking form which must be completed and sent back to Ms Saulino.

    1. I fucking love science democracy.

    2. If only our own Hollywood actresses would vow to do something similar instead of threatening to move to Canada, maybe they’d get more voters on their side.

      1. If only they delivered on any of their promises.

      2. Lena Dunham. Think about that.

            1. I’m not clicking that.

    3. I fell for that once. Ezra Pound still owes me rim job.

  42. Merkel saddened by Renzi’s defeat in Italian referendum

    Many investors are looking to Merkel for leadership in Europe, fearing instability could reignite a sovereign debt crisis at a time when the EU is struggling with Britain’s decision to leave and support for populist or right-wing parties is on the rise.

    “I am sad that the referendum in Italy did not turn out as the prime minister wished because I always supported his reform policies but it is of course a domestic Italian decision that we must respect,” Merkel told reporters in the city of Essen where her conservatives are holding a party congress.

    Earlier, government spokesman Steffen Seibert said the chancellor had taken note of Renzi’s decision to step down after the referendum with regret.

    1. Merkel will eventually be saddened by her own upcoming defeat.

      Her head will roll.

      1. I hope so. She has done everything she can to ruin Germany. If the Germans vote to keep her in office, they are hopeless.

        1. She’s hellbent on making sure that leftist-German guilt takes down the rest of Europe with her.

      2. Oh, she’ll be all right. Maybe she just needs G.W. Bush to give her another shoulder rub.

    2. Merkel is catching some shit right now, because an Afghan “refugee” admitted as a 17 year old child just raped and murdered a med student.

      Which nobody would really care about, except she was the daughter of someone who matters, an actual EU official.

      1. Correct. See below my commentary on that one, Counselor. In many parts of Euro-landia, this is becoming the norm. Unless the victim is someone of consequence, it won’t be reported.

        Which is more than I can say for Reason, as they won’t report it no matter what.

        1. Its interesting that this attack happened two months ago. Maybe they didn’t actually ID the attacker until now, but that’s a long time for the rape and murder of an EU official’s daughter to fly below the radar. Maybe there was more reporting on it in Eurostan, but there is also a sorry record of confirmed attacks by these migrants being swept under the rug.

          1. Not really, RC. Due to so much (legit) hostility towards Rapefugees because of goverments that simply tolerate the behaviour, for a myriad of reasons, it’s really not that unusual to have something like this trickle out two months after the fact. A med student, who’s a child of an EU bigwig, it’s going to get out. TPTB simply pull out the stops to control the dissemination of the story to keep the public pliable and manageable at ease

            I know we, meaning Dr. ZG and myself and our friends and colleagues, didn’t hear hardly anything about this, and we try and stay as well-read as possible.

  43. I’ve been taking a stab at enjoying jazz music, which is something I normally don’t go for. Perhaps it’s because I’m running out of post-punk music to explore.

    Anyway, I’ve found that Erroll Garner is one heck of a pianist – self-taught and couldn’t read music. Also dig that hairstyle swathed in enough Brylcreem to kill off an entire population of seagulls.

    1. Jazz is such a broad genre, I’m sure anyone could find something they like.

    2. If you like jazz piano, try Oscar Patterson or Bill Evens. Everybody Digs Bill Evens is a great record though a very bleak one.

      To me Jazz committed sonic suicide when it embraced bee bop. Beebop has its moments but ultimately is just too unapproachable to be really enjoyed that much. I would take all the pre World War II jazz when it still had musicality and swing to it over everything that came after.

      My favorite kind of jazz is New Orleans jazz. The original stuff. I like Sidney Bechet and the original Louis Armstrong and Hot Five Recordings and Jellyroll Morton (another great pianist) and all that. Count Bassie was a genius as well. His collaboration with Mahalia Jackson, Black, Brown and Beige is one of my favorite records ever.

      1. So far I like Chet Baker, some earlier Miles Davis, Oscar Peterson, and Bill Evans. And agree on the bee bop. I just can’t get into it.

        1. oh and the singers: Billie Holiday is my “bigly” one

      2. Love the original stuff and never would have turned into anything without Louis, but cool jazz period is my favorite.

    3. So much. Welcome to the club. Bud Powell, Bill Evans, McCoy Tyner are other must pianists ( Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Keith Jarret too). John Coltrane is the biggest must along with Miles Davis.
      Count Basie for swing and big band blues. Ella and Billie. There is sooo much more.
      I am lucky to live in NYC and see live jazz very often. * The reports of its death are greatly exaggerated.
      *apologies to Twain

      1. I’m a long-time trumpet player but can not stand Miles Davis. Or bebop in general.

        Maynard Ferguson and Doc Severinsen. And Herb Alpert, if you’re feeling nostalgic for the 60s for some reason.

  44. The culutural enrichment continues.

    Daughter of Top EU Official Raped-Murdered in Germany By Afghan Migrant…..n-migrant/

    1. This so tragic.

      Maybe this is what it will take to knock it off. For politicians to feel the pain of their decisions.

      1. It won’t, Rufus; it’ll just be considered something that cannot be helped, and a necessary sacrifice for the greater good of Open Borders and unfettered migration. I’m sure that Shikha D. and HazelMeade approve of this in the, “Eggs….omelettes” sense, as I am sure there are others that have rationalised that an acceptable and manageable level of rape and murder of European citizens is unavoidable and should simply be accepted as a new normal.

        Frankly, I’m amazed that the ethnicity demography and immigration status even made it into the press. I suppose since the victim is the child of an EU bigwig, it somehow negates the usual Euro-landia United Colours of Benetton Policy that current is paralysing Euro-landia.

        1. That’s depressing.

  45. Fidel Castro gets a fitting send-off. His hearse broke down and had to be pushed through the streets.


    1. A better fitting send-off for Castro would have been what Che Guevara got.

      Captured and shot in a jungle with no one exactly knowing what the f*** happened to him for a long time.

    2. Sic semper tyrannis

    3. I read that they’re keeping the location of the burial a secret. Probably worried about the size of the weeping multitudes trampling each other.

      1. Worried that it will be used as an open sewer as soon as Raul dies.

    4. Did you guys read the New York Times article on his death?

      It was absolutely disgusting. They tried to paint that monster in a positive light.

      1. I did not. But let me guess;

        Literacy levels were so high!
        Healthcare for all!
        Fought against imperialists!
        Low murder, rape and prostitution rates!

        Am I missing anything? These people are fucking predictably idiotic if nothing else.

        1. Don’t forget “vintage cars” and “unsullied, historic downtown Havana”.

          1. “Purer, simpler, more rustic lifestyles that everyone should emulate!”

  46. One of the best parts about Sundays is watching Colon Paperneck get his ass kicked over and over and over again like he’s an honorary Cleveland Brown.

    1. Until he decided not to vote, then wore a Castro shirt, I was kind of ambivalent towards him. Now? Fuck that guy. Also fuck Roger Goodell. I still haven’t watched a single game outside of my hometeam this year, and will not do so until Goodell is gone.

      1. He jumped the shark when he went full Castro.

        It’s funny how people who start off trying to make a point reveal themselves to be your run of the mill left-wing ignoramus.

        1. He jumped the shark when he went full Castro.

          Meanwhile, Cuban people were literally jumping sharks in rickety boats trying to get away from Castro.

        2. My local news was going the full-on sad music and tears like the Pope died or something. Parade of locals grieving. The works.

          1. Where the fuck do you live? Beijing?

    2. Colon Paperneck. Brilliant.

      1. Don’t encourage him.

      2. Colon Cappedwithprick.

  47. More than 30 people died at a party held in a warehouse in Oakland after a fire, which is now being criminally investigated, broke out.

    Impossible, a business would never want to kill its customers.

    1. What shocks me is that 33 out of 70 in attendance died. When I read the headline, I’d figured, sure, there must’ve been some hundreds in there, something like that mass shooting in Fla. But for half to die in a fire, are artists stupid or something?

      1. I guess that why they called it an illegal concert. The place had no fire exits, no sprinklers, was full of garbage everywhere, etc. I.e. it was a death trap.

    2. I don’t think it was actually a business, so much as some sort of dumbass hippy collective thing

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