Most Voters Expect Trump to be a Terrible President, But Thought Clinton Would Have Been Worse
Guys, this is bleak. We can't keep doing this to ourselves.

New polling data collected over the final two weeks of the presidential campaign paints the picture of a weary, pessimistic electorate and makes a strong case for de-escalating the power of the presidency.
The Pew Research Center surveyed more than 3,700 voters (respondents had either voted already or said they planned to vote) between October 25 and November 8 to take the pulse of the electorate on a wide range of issues. There's lots of interesting data in the survey, including details on which issues were most salient to Trump and Clinton voters as the two candidates made their closing arguments. Trump scored highest, no surprise, with voters worried about terrorism and illegal immigration while Clinton had her biggest edge with those worried about climate change and gun violence.
The most interesting part of the survey is a series of five questions where voters were asked to imagine a hypothetical Trump administration and a hypothetical Clinton one.
For each candidate, voters were asked about five things: would they run an open and transparent administration, would they improve how government works, would they improve the United State's standing in the world, would they set a high moral standard for the presidency and would they use the office of the presidency to personally enrich themselves and their friends.
Trump got negative marks across the board. He scored "best" on the questions about running a transparent administration (the bar is particularly low on that point) and for improving how the government works. In both cases, 44 percent of voters said he would probably or definitely do those things. He scored worse on the "high moral standard" question, with only 38 percent of voters saying they believed he would achieve that.
As bad as Trump's numbers were, it's telling that Clinton scored worse on three of the five metrics. Only 34 percent of voters said they believed she would be open and transparent, only 37 percent said they thought a Clinton administration would improve how government works, and 57 percent of voters said they thought she would improperly use the office to enrich herself and friends (a majority, 52 percent, said they thought Trump would do that too).
From a political science perspective, the Pew survey helps explain why undecided voters broke towards Trump as the lesser-of-two-evils and why Clinton had such a difficult time dealing with questions of trustworthiness throughout the campaign.
More generally, guys, this is really bleak. The country just picked a new commander-in-chief who 57 percent of voters say is unlikely to improve the country's standing in the world and better than half say he will use the White House to enrich himself. Simple math says that at least some of those people voted for Trump, despite those misgivings, because Clinton was worse.
Neither major party produced anything remotely resembling an acceptable, electable presidential nominee this year. That's not news (we've been saying it for months), but when voters are this pessimistic about the choice they are being given, it makes you wonder why they aren't demanding more, better choices.
It also makes you think that vesting so much power in the hands of one man (or woman)—a man we collectively view as bad news—isn't a good idea.
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I love polls. Can I get some more of that stuff? I'm also a millennial. Poll me.
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
Yes. As a matter of fact I saw a grown man naked this afternoon.
*wink*
Bathroom mirrors don't count.
What say of "Funhouse Mirrors", Quincy?
Distorting. Like liberal media bias.
/Rush
Even in Turkish baths?
Yes.
Guys, this is bleak. We can't keep doing this to ourselves.
Stop hitting yourself, Broheim.
Robby's understudy
I imagine Robbo reads his copy and then throws (*in my imagination's artistic-production they still use typewriters and pass paper around) it back in his face like J Jonah Jameson, shouting = "BUT WHERE IS THE EQUIVOCATION!! WHERE IS THE "TUT-TUTTING" AND "TO BE SURES'?!?! THERE'S NO SIGNALLING AT ALL HERE!?!? USELESS!! I CANT EVEN CANT EVEN"
Eric, please stop writing with any flair. The seat of Gil's pants just can't take the abuse.
If your signature literary contribution amounts to endlessly repeating "Not Okay", you probably don't have to worry about an overabundance of 'flair'
I'm guessing he'll be better than most thought , due to regulatory rollback. Low bar indeed. Maybe this will reduce the hero worship of politicians.
I have a concern... it may be not well founded, but in the last 24 months there's been a rash of dangerously progressive crap that's now considered mainstream, enacted at the local level. Things that will seriously hurt the local economy and damage employment. I expected a Clinton win, so I was hoping that as the negative consequences of the laws came to fruition, that it might cause a backlash against further policies.
But with the Trump wildcard, I guaran-damn-tee you the negative consequences of those things will be written off as Trump's fault, and the policies will continue apace, harder and with more vigor.
If people can literally blame shit happening right now on Trump, it's only going to get easier when he's actually at the levers to power.
See Reaganomics (popular historical perception).
Living in Baja Washington, I know what you mean. It's the little things too. Like plastic bag bans. Getting people to go along with "the sky is orange" in a small way. Similar to using phrase and terms to shape the parameters of a debate.
Ku Klux Klan group plans North Carolina rally to celebrate Donald Trump's election victory
Trolls, or mega-trolls?
Just trolling. Mega-trolling would have been to endorse Clinton.
Nice pic from 1948 on the story.
They had to use a picture from 1948 to give their readers the impression that that's still a common sight in America. If they used a recent picture it wouldn't have nearly the same impact.
It's funny how the KKK has been reduced to essentially that, when in 1948, KKK members were often leading people in the community. Under those robes and hoods would be the mayor, a state senator, a sheriff, a guy who owned a chain of dry cleaners.
But the media treats some toothless guy with no money, power or influence (BEYOND HIS VOTE!) with the same gravitas they'd treat the KKK of 1948.
Or a US senator...
But enough about the Democrats.
* +1 rim shot
+200 years' worth of n***** votes
As I expected. From September:
Communist Party USA Endorses Hillary; Media Yawns
"This election will be a national referendum on racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia and Islamophobia. The aim should be a landslide defeat of Trump and a decisive rejection of hate.
"The election of Clinton as the first woman president would make history. A landslide would not end sexism, but it would represent a mighty blow just as the election of President Obama was a blow against racism. It would advance democracy."
Why are you talking about the election? The election is over.
I'm reluctant to get all philosophical on you, but is the election ever really over?
Oh no, it ain't
That would probably bring the revolution.
Yeah, I don't see how that wouldn't. That's a lot of electoral votes to flip. If people want to prove Trump right that the elections are rigged, that would be a way to do it, and rob a rabid mob of armed triumphalists of their hard-won object and there will be absolute hell to pay.
A silly girl I went to high to high school with posted this on fb today asking if it was really possible.
FSM-willing, that will never happen. I'm not a prepper, though I am knowledgeable about survivalism. I live too close to the center of a city where getting out is going to be a real challenge. That is the last thing anyone wants to be proven wrong about.
I am more certain that it won't happen than I was certain that Hillary was going to win the election.
I just hope the families of the electors are protected until the vote.
From the article:
One Texas GOP elector, Chris Suprun of Texas, a firefighter, told Politico in August that he finds Trump so unpalatable he'd consider voting for Clinton when he gets to Georgia's capital on Dec. 19th.
Real good editing, there.
OK, Mr. Grammar Nazi, how about this:
"Chris Suprun is from Texas. He has a Texas-sized beef with Donald Trump. Suprun will have a chance to act on his views. On December 19. Because Chris Suprun is one of Texas' Presidential electors. Pissed-off Chris is thinking of voting Hillary when the electors meet. That's how pissed he is."
Nice Explainer. Have you considered a Vox career?
"Comrades, we must reject the populism of the masses and support Wall Street's candidate."
I never thought I'd miss Lenin.
"Look, they'll sell us the rope we'll hang them with!"
"er..."
"No, no, I got this. I have a Clinton Foundation donation request form right here!"
This is the dumbest generation of commies ever.
This article from CNN has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. It's about how if half of Johnson voters had voted for Clinton along with all of Stein's voters, she would have several close states. If you're going to account for a spoiler effect, don't you have to take into account the Johnson voters who would have voted for Trump? If the other half vote Trump, that's a wash. Stein's support was enough to give Clinton wins in Michigan and Wisconsin if they all voted for her, but that still wouldn't have won her the election.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/.....d=31027575
Why the hell do they think Johnson voters would have rolled to PantySuity?
From what early exit polling data I saw it claimed that people voting libertarian would have spilt 25% Clinton and 15% Trump as a second choice. I have no idea how it eventually played out.
Either way, we're talking fractions of a percentage point here in most cases. It's just rage directed at an easy scapegoat. Not surprising.
From what early exit polling data I saw it claimed that people voting libertarian would have spilt 25% Clinton and 15% Trump as a second choice. I have no idea how it eventually played out.
More of that awesome early exit polling data.
I know, I know. My clumsily worded point was that 1) it seemed the majority opinion among people voting libertarian was 'Fuck Off', and 2) the chance of a double digit difference between a second preferences seems unlikely; making any perceived EC gain by Clinton insufficient in the swing states possibly affected by the libertarian turnout.
Because polling data was so right during this election.
Fair point. But I don't find it particularly outside of the realm of possibility that most people who voted for the (L) party this go around would have stayed at home instead, and those that didn't would have been within a few percentage points of each other; making their vote inconsequential in the EC total.
If anyone is willing to crunch the numbers and prove me wrong I'd be happy to view them. Personally, I'm far too lazy and have fantasy football to worry about this evening.
'MERICA!!!
Even if that's true, that's about a 0.3% benefit to Clinton. Maybe enough to swing Michigan, but not even close to swinging any other state.
Exactly. Basically it's another Demoncrat trial balloon to knee-cap third parties.
I voted this year ONLY to keep a local Demoncrat out of office. I pretty much voted straight Republican except for one local office where a libertarian candidate existed. However I voted for Trump knowing a) he had no chance in my state, b) Johnson is not perceived as a threat to Demoncrats, and c) Trump was perceived by some Republicans as more of a threat than Johnson.
Demoncrats viewed Rand Paul as a threat but not Gary Johnson. The power of the "R" I guess.
The urban cesspool I live in needs its entrenched D's threatened with extreme prejudice. I'm much more comfortable knowing the entrenched D's still see 35% voting for R's rather than 30% voting for R's.
Seems like a logical assumption. Most Reason columnists did and they're libertarian Top Men (and women). Not to mention the fact that Weld endorsed her.
Did I miss a post where they said who they actually voted for? Because the post where they said who they WERE going to vote for only had Chapman and Dalmia, if memory serves.
"Guys, this is bleak. We can't keep doing this to ourselves."
Now, now. Is this not the preferable mindset? It certainly would be more akin to the tenor around these parts. Just a couple more solid nutpunches and they may join the Dark Side yet!
It's true. I don't think people loves Trump. It was a coin toss as to who they hated more.
And a lot of non-political people are wondering how we got to this point, where the two parties are both nominating terrible candidates and leaving them without good options.
Aside from the whole alt-right Trump storyline, there is a "silent majority" storyline, and that is about ordinary, non-political people waking up an realizing how broken the two-party system is.
non-political people waking up an realizing how broken the two-party system is.
I'm not convinced it'll translate to any meaningful action. Look what happened to Democrats after 2000. It arguably had the opposite effect. People, feeling 'stung' by the appearance of carpet-bagging, interloping 3rd parties, vowed to never make that mistake again.
Both Gore and Bush were fairly rational people, and neither of them was seen as particularly corrupt. I don't think the average non-political person saw either of them as a person that would make a terrible president.
Ok, but... I'm reaching here, is it conceivable that third party threats have made the two party system worse? That because of agitation of the vote totals (for lack of a better term) by said 3rd parties, that people are willing to ride it out with an even worse candidate from the two major parties because no one wants the other side to win?
I admit it's a bit muddled, be we are in some serious through-the-looking-glass shit here with this last election. We've got pro forma liberal hippy scruffy types, rabidly supporting the most Nixonian/Kissenger-esque candidate since Nixon, simply because they couldn't abide Trump-- or in fact, even ABSENT Trump never would abide a Republican-- or someone who wants to "cut government, and isn't kidding around".
The elevation of party over substance, principals over principles.
And an utter and complete detachment from reality.
Well, duh, but the blame for that lies with the winner-take-all electoral college system.
Hazel, take your dementia meds. Bush was seen as a puppet, doing whatever he's told. Gore was seen as corrupt as Clinton. Nobody considered either of those two fuckheads as clean and rational.
I think Hazel is discussing the ordinary, non-partisan, low-information voter. If so, I agree with her.
Yep.
Most of you here are fairly to highly educated people with a genuine interest in the internal operations of how our government is structured and implemented. But the vast majority of Americans, college educated or otherwise, know more about the details of the personal lives of celebrities who live a 1000 plus miles away than they know about how even the basic mechanisms of government work.
The Roman aristocracy figured this out 2000 plus years ago: Keep the masses fed and entertained and they will put up with nearly anything.
Sometimes the most intelligent amongst you tend to forget this.
You could have just read the commenters here for the past 12 months and reached the same conclusion.
The best thing about Trump is that he's not going to listen to economic idiots like Paul Krugman. He may find some different idiots, but there's a chance he'll accidentally find someone who actually understands economics instead of bias-confirming mathematical models
"there's a chance he'll accidentally find someone who actually understands economics instead of bias-confirming mathematical models"
Treasury Secretary Token Black Guy Thomas Sowell...That has an extremely appealing ring to it...
An article on polling.
I miss Emily Ekins.
Don't we all...
She's at Cato now? CUCK!
I imagine whatever door she's finds herself standing before, opens up quickly.
Would
Absolutely.
Wood
Now doubt, Paul.
I don't recall finding much fault with her work while she was with Reason. In fact, I recall being rather impressed a majority of the time.
Oh... Perhaps you meant something else as well. Paul.
Those eyes....
"No doubt, Paul."
I typed "Now doubt, Paul" (which is a statement that I would likely type in many other contexts), yet I meant to type "No doubt, Paul." in response to your post: I imagine whatever door she's finds herself standing before, opens up quickly. .
The other points stand: excellent or above average work. I hope her new location/place of employment affords her the means and freedom to continue her high quality efforts.
The more you qualify and hedge, the more we know what you're really thinking.
Neither major party produced anything remotely resembling an acceptable, electable presidential nominee this year.
Cosmo cucks cryin' fo' Jeb!
Stop it.
Then what will we talk about?
No kidding. He's had his fun, but this is not 4chan. Most here are pretty damned good writers, not gibbering monkeys flinging shit. Let's keep it that way, shall we?
Tits or GTFO, Zero.
Stop it.
For once I support the squirrels.
Guys, this is bleak. We can't keep doing this to ourselves.
And yet we will.
Yes, derp! More! More! More!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLbkKQ4_-EM
around the 2 minute mark, there's a nice montage of progs smashing their tvs.
I guess they didn't steal enough Trump signs to scare away the Trumpkins.
#BrokenTVsFallacy
But imagine all of the jobs that are going to be created at the new American-made tv factories that Trump is going to create! It's gonna be YUUUGGGGEEEE!!
Mmmm... salty ham tears...
Why anyone puts that much importance on a single election is beyond me.
They have nothing other than their signaling. This is their greatest moment even though they would say it is the worst. They live for this.
These people are breaking their own stuff?
kewl.
They haven't got a job to go to in the morning so they'll be out on the streets all night breaking other peoples' stuff.
These people are breaking their own stuff?
It reminds me in part of the individuals who poured their French wines into toilets to show their opposition to /disapproval of the French government for not supporting the U.S. government's first invasion of Iraq.
I recently ended up pouring out a bottle of wine, but I poured it down the sink, because it was closer.
I shouldn't have wasted money on rotted grape juice.
+1 plate of "freedom" fries
The girl right after the smashing tvs had some nice tatas.
Progs are such sanctimonious assholes. They are so clueless to the the fact they are one of the big reasons Clinton lost. Spend the next four years calling all white people racist and bitching about the patriarchy please.
I may have to reconsider this whole 2A question.
Dude at 7 minutes is fuckin hilarious
Calm down! Get ahold of yourself!
https://youtu.be/d1Cpc8Vw-2A
Another movie that could never... wait a moment, this is Trump's America now. Maybe it *could* be made!
Please don't though.
I still don't understand the election results. The republicans seem to have done well in spite of being Literally Destroyed about 200 times by Samantha Bee over the last year.
Small register rollover?
Both shitty? Yes.
But Trump will have the full support of Congress in his shittiness.
Right, all those #NeverTrump establishment RETHUGLIKKKANZ will just fall in line and rubber stamp everything he asks for.
Exactly. The gop establishment hates him as much as the media.
Yeah, I figure some will fall in line - the ones whose districts went solidly for Trump. The ones whose districts barely went Trump or were won by Hillary though, I don't expect them to roll over quite so easily. Not if they want to win their mid-term re-election.
There's no point in trying to figure what he's going to do policy wise until he starts naming his cabinet nominees. That'll give a much better picture of what his administration will do, policy wise than anything he's said. For instance if he nominates Giuliani or some other unrepentant Neocon for SoS or Chris Christie for Attorney General... then it may be time to start panicking.
Very true
Lindy has already learned to curtsy:
Sen. Lindsey Graham is ready to let bygones be bygones in his long-running feud with President-elect Donald Trump.
Graham tweeted a congratulatory statement on Trump's "stunning" win Wednesday morning and called on the nation to "pull together" in the wake of the divisive election.
"We now have a country to run," Graham said. "President-elect Trump and the new Congress will face many challenges. We have wars to win, threats to be dealt with, and a stagnant economy which must be revived."
Get ready for Bush Big Gov round 2
Maybe, maybe not. I'll wait until after he's taken office and see what happens. It hasn't even been a full 48 hours since election night. No point in freaking out or trying to figure out what's gonna happen. Not that that's gonna stop anyone.
We're talking about a man who has spent most of his career building gaudy, extravagant monuments to his own greatness. Now he gets to do the same with unlimited piles of other people's money. What do you think is going to happen?
They're already talking stimulus. They never learn.
FTFY
I love that you're such a fucking hack that you can't even bring yourself to admit that Obama has just been a continuation of Bush policies.
Considering Trump is basically a Democrat, I'm not sure a Democratic Congress would have led to smaller government.
Did you lose a bet on the election, PB?
Consider that Trump got fewer votes as the winner than Romney and McCain got as losers.
And?
You know what they call the medical student who graduated last in his class?
Doctor?
You know what they call the medical student who graduated last in his class?
Probably "Dr. Oz."
"Dr. Oz."
**SIGH**
Reason's servers are well and truly fucked. I posted the second one because the first one appeared to have been swallowed whole, even though I waited several minutes and refreshed numerous times. I hate double-posting.
And?
So Trump is even less popular with the country than Romney and McCain were.
Well i suppose when the presidency is decided by popularity contests rather than the electoral college, that might matter.
GrubHub CEO demands all Trump supporting employees resign
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016.....esign.html
Guess who I'll never do business with.
Since Matt Maloney is exhibiting the characteristics he deplores in Donald Trump, will Matt Maloney accept his own resignation?
The dark night of fascism is always falling on America but landing on Grubhub?
Noted windowlicker Aaron Sorkin whines at length:
http://www.vanityfair.com/holl.....r-daughter
Denounces Trump's sexism.
Praises a prior president who was a drug-addicted serial adulterer.
Sorkin is a sanctimonious hack.
But he writes so swashbuckingly!
"I like writing idealistically, romantically and swashbucklingly." - Aaron Sorkin
I like writing believeable characters.
If they happen to buckle swashes, it's because of who they are, not because of the rails I laid down.
I think he recycles half of his monologues between shows.
Half? You're being generous.
Let's go to the tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI
YA THINK!?
Here's a tidbit for the diaper-wearers to digest
You know what the truly worst fear of the left is? One so horrifying that they can't even bring themselves to articulate it yet?
That Trump will be - gasp - an average president.
He'll basically be no better, no worse, than Obama. He'll have one piece of legislation pass, he'll have some other project fail, and he'll keep the machinery of govt chugging along more or less the same as everyone else.
That's the greatest terror. Of course, they can't let that happen, so they'll amplify every little fucking thing to epic proportions to claim their worst fears were justified.
Well put
How na?ve - even for you.
A full scale ground war with Iran is back on the GOP front burner.
lol
Doubtful. Hillary actually wanted to engage Russia militarily. Her saber rattling didn't seem to bother you. Weird.
Lose any good bets lately, Palin's Buttplug?
I think I saw it first here. It bears repeating: John Cleese on the benefits of extremism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4
For those who can't watch, the benefit of extremism is that it makes you feel good because you get to pretend that you're fighting the forces of evil.
Oh Onion. Only you could think a typical Trump supporter is white nationalist.
http://www.theonion.com/articl.....d-se-54666
Ooh, member when the Onion had jokes? *I* member.
Cuz Trump hates Jews, like his daughter.
Keep your enemies closer?
I married another race so I can oppress from the confort of home. I even put my own halfbreeds to work in the mines for extra satisfaction.
Snippets from the most comically deluded place on the planet.
You know who else treated children as "political animals"?
Napoleon the pig?
Sounds like you're off to a great start in life.
Are they as stupid as the Doomsday Prepper goldbug crowd from eight years ago?
Or more stupid?
I'm not sure. There were no doomsday prepper gold bugs running the state school system. Most of them were in small shacks in Montana and few had twitter accounts.
Dude, I saw the Doomsday Prepper Goldbugs open for Rush a few years ago, they were great.
I'm not sure. There were no doomsday prepper gold bugs running the state school system. Most of them were in small shacks in Montana and few had twitter accounts.
This times a gazillion.
The crazies on the right don't want to rule the world and impose their insane whims on God and everyone.
Hmm....
2008: $871/oz
2015: $1160.06/oz
Conclusion: Stupider.
Stocks have done much better than gold has 2008-today.
Gold is good hedge and any good investment advisor says should be 1-3% of your holdings. I am talking about the HYPERINFLATION doomsday nutcases like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul.
Still less stupid than people above. Don't mean the same as "smart".
How did the stocks in your bet do again?
Yeah, those crackpots
The fucking money shot.
Considering how much closer to mainstream the delusion is this time around, I'm going with the retards staffing school districts who consider themselves edified because they follow all the right celebrity personalities on Twitter. The sort who say "woke" with no feeling of well-deserved ignominy.
"makes a strong case for de-escalating the power of the presidency."
Except absolute power is the only way socialist can implement their ideas. They're only thought right now is getting power back any way possible and expanding it as rapidly as possible. Consequences be damned.
When they were building the socialist utopia, they hadn't yet gotten around to eliminating the "democratic" part of it, so here's this fucking guy, sitting at the Conn, with all the levers to power they created. That's fucking frustrating.
Pretty much how the Federal Liberals in Canada regard power as well.
You know what the best part about Trump winning is?
I thought he wouldn't. And I was wrong. I thought Clinton had this in the bag, and was fully prepared for it. Now I have to wonder why I thought that was the case. Was it Trump himself, or did I unwillingly accept the propaganda of the Democrats and the media establishment? Learning experience. Unlike some people *insert picture of crying Hillary fans here* I get to take time to self-reflect.
And realize that I live in weird and surreal world that can still surprise me.
Geez, why would you think Mr Open Mouth-Step On Dick would throw the whole thing?
Hey, that's President Elect Open Mouth-Step On Dick to you!
Least I can hope for is that Cytotoxic's fragile ego is permanently shattered. Unlikely, but I can dream.
A wonderful new sock will emerge from the shattered chrysalis of the Cytotoxic persona. One more glorious and beautiful.
Speaking for myself, I'm thoroughly depressed. I'm managing to occupy two places at the same time: A disdain for Hillary that burns with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns and... the knowledge that Trump is a megalomaniacal blowhard that swings so wildly from bombastic statement to sometimes terrifying rhetoric that I couldn't even IMAGINE him as president.
I was shocked at Hillary's loss, but I had girded myself for eight years of Her, accepting that we already had one Nixon and the country survived, how bad could another one be?
But the left has become so fucking delusional, and so full of hate about ANYTHING that challenges their worldview (see Romney 2012) that I just can't take anything they say seriously any more.
I think I'll probably have come down by January and start bitching about Trump every time he does something stupid. But right now I'm injecting prog tears directly into my veins and it's made me a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus!
and it's made me a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus!
So your arms are too short for a reach-around?
This describes where I'm at. I'm choosing to enjoy the happy parts right now, because I know that the next 4 years are going to be a mess (from both sides)
Yeah, but one advantage is that my expectations are fairy...minimal. He might do something useful with the Supreme Court, or not. Besides that, I suppose he'll wing it and we'll just see what happens.
I think he's gonna be the modern Teddy Roosevelt. So much of an ego that he'll be a pain in the ass to the Republicans. Some stuff that's good, but mostly statist crap that we're gonna be stuck with for generations.
He wishes he was as manly and awesome as TR!
How many animals has Trump killed. Pshaw!
Meh, Roosevelt did have the same 'compensating for something' problem that Trump has. One of the reasons he was so manly for most of his political life was because in his early political career other politicians called him effeminate and gay (I can source this but it might take awhile).
I'll give him this.
He agitated for war. He got a cabinet post. He kept agitating. War was declared.
He resigned and raised his own volunteer unit. Then he went into combat, leading it.
Which politician today would have the balls to do that? Sure as fuck not Mr Orange!
These days, social justice warriors would hate Teddy Roosevelt, given the way he would keep going around saying "Bully".
Imagine if the rumors about Secretary of Homeland Security Joe Arpaio are true...
You know what the best part about Trump winning is?
At least we didn't elect Zoolander.
Hmm, what is the most comically delusional place in the world right now? I nominate Everyday Feminism.
How to talk to your kids about Donald Trump
http://everydayfeminism.com/20.....rumps-win/
We need to let them be children.
Because you said "comically delusional" I assume you saw my link above.
I agree, let them be children, don't turn them into "political animals".
Is it some American thing to actually talk about the President to your children? Or is it just a stupid progressive thing? My parents didn't talk to me about anything related to politics until age sixteen and immediately rolled their eyes at anything I had to say. Bear in mind my mom's mostly apolitical (but she did predict Trump winning, quote: He's going to win because I don't even know anything about Clinton and I can't stand her) and my dad's Christian Tory.
Mostly this. Politics may be discussed on occasion, but it's not one of those "protect your children from the horrible election" crap that the progs are doing.
As an example, my parents never discussed with me what was going on when Bill was impeached. I was in middle school, so I was old enough to understand what was happening if it were explained to me, but they didn't waste their time on it.
When i was but a wee lad my mom told me that if Bob Dole was elected president that he would get rid of Nickelodeon. This is the same woman who took the weapons from my Ninja Turtle action figures because she didn't want be to be exposed to violence.
Which helped create Trump ex-nihilo by turning every normal fucking 'straight white male' into some cultural-arch-enemy.
Congrats, sugarplum.
Super fun question time.
In 2012 Obama won 71% of the Latino vote and Romey won 27%. Presumably 2% of Latino voters chose third party.
In 2016 (per WaPo) the split is reportedly 65/29, exactly the same for Asians. So.... this year 6% of Latinos and Asians went third party? Percentage wise, that's highly higher than whites who went third party?
Is this just a one time "We really hate Clinton" exception, or can we expect more them to identify as independents? That's been the trend, or at least what's what I was told.
We'll find out in 4 years.
Maybe in two years.
I never thought I live to see a day like this. This is bigger the legendary Derptatoa eruption of 1883.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkPsMlNqpJ8
youtube comment gold: I wasn't for putting people in camps, and then I watched this video.?
I couldn't watch but about about 45 seconds of that. I think I'm overloaded with derp. I'm goin to have to read something intelligent for awhile before I can process any more derp.
Years of derp abuse have left me numb to all but the most intense derp.
No. That's acting.
No fucking way.
What I can't figure out is why so many people have fixed cameras in their living rooms.
Yeah, I suspect that was just fake crap. The guy chasing his cat around putting it into a suitcase...
Half of these schmucks are acting, trying to score proggie emoting points.
Roommate is watching Samantha Bee or whoever. She's interviewing some jackass in a cowboy hat who's helming a project to bring fresh produce into communities by... creating little farms nearby. Audience is loving it.
It takes real genius to be that impressed by premodern agriculture.
Holy shit, wait till they hear about crop rotation!
Has he mentioned it's possible to catch an animal and use it for labor, or is that too much out there for Reality Based show?
I had a prog try to convince that the city of Chicago could feed itself through foraging and rooftop gardens. Another exhibit of why socialism and starvation go hand in hand.
If "Foraging" included cannibalism, feeding chicago would be a self-solving problem.
I bet they could get it done with a 5 year plan.
Detroit can actually pull it off. All you need is rural-like population densities.
"...And then what y'all do is cut all the vegetation down and burn it, and hitch your local Trump supporter to this innovative new device. Once the soil's exhausted, you move to new land and do the same thing!"
*thunderous applause*
Bee: "Truly, a green and modern counterpoint to factory farming."
Well, we'll just have to pass a law banning the use of forced Trump-supporter labor here in this state then. If you want new land to plow under once your land is exhausted then, well, you'll just have to conquer Cuba or something.
Roommate? You need to get control of the remote.
CNN has a list of 24 possible reasons for Trump's win. Curiously, "because Clinton is a crooked, lying, idiot" is not one of the reasons.
Man, you can't promise something like that and then not put out. LINK!
link
(autoplay)
God that's an awesome list. I'm glad they had a sense of humor to put 23 and 24 the way they did.
It better not be a slideshow list.
Eh, they kind of did:
18. Because voters believed the system was corrupt
Note the clever passive voice, "the system".
The subtext is slightly more telling:
Voters believed their political apparatus was corrupt and Trump was the only one who reliably affirmed that belief and promised to fix it.
I speak fluent bullshit, so "political apparatus" means: Hillary Clinton.
That is not passive voice. What even.
The passive voice is made with the verb be and a past participle (e.g. The man was killed. or Three people are being interviewed). The verb be alone (e.g. The cat was black. or He will be president.) does not make the passive voice.
Derp. More derp.
DNC Staffer blasts Donna Brazile: 'You will die of old age, I'm going to die from climate change'
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/1.....te-change/
Saw that earlier. Had a good chuckle. I do hope he dies of climate change, ie suicide out of fear for it.
Sure he will, but only if a creepy clown doesnt get him first.
Professor Simon Schama doubles down
"The 71-year-old, who teaches at Columbia University in New York, received criticism after he compared the Republican's win to the rise of Hitler, stating that "democracy often brings fascists to power, it did in Germany in the 1930s"."
(A real historian would have noted that The National Socialist Party's paramilitary arm, the SA "brownshirts," lent "democracy" a helping hand.)
"When told to "calm down" by Ms Phillips, he added that he believed the world is facing a "cataclysmic moment" and "populist revolt"."
You people just keep mentioning the little troll. I can link this every fucking time.
It's a problem for historians. Too many of them want to believe they live in one of the pivotal moments they write about. It makes them more important.
His "History of Britain" is wonderful TV, even despite his absurd lisp.
Agree.
The paper of record delivers:
'I want to move to Spain': Chelsea Handler breaks down in tears while discussing Hillary Clinton's loss on her talk show
How embarrassing.
EXCLUSIVE PICTURES: Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake show off their beach bodies on romantic Caribbean getaway
Jessica Biel in a bathing suit. Jiminy Christmas is she a pretty gal.
The paper of record delivers:
'I want to move to Spain': Chelsea Handler breaks down in tears while discussing Hillary Clinton's loss on her talk show
How embarrassing.
EXCLUSIVE PICTURES: Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake show off their beach bodies on romantic Caribbean getaway
Jessica Biel in a bathing suit. Jiminiy Christmas is she a pretty gal.
The paper of record delivers:
'I want to move to Spain': Chelsea Handler breaks down in tears while discussing Hillary Clinton's loss on her talk show
How embarrassing.
EXCLUSIVE PICTURES: Jessica Biel and Justin Timberlake show off their beach bodies on romantic Caribbean getaway
Jessica Biel in a bathing suit. Jiminiy Christmas is she a pretty gal.
I really wanted to share those links.
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Uh huh.
*makes tick in notebook*
God dammit, PB, pay your fucking bet already! I'm tired of hearing about it!
QUIT STEALING ALL THE COMMENT BANDWIDTH.
I like how the squirrels make me seem even more retarded.
I admire your courage in setting yourself for an insulting punch line like that.
setting yourself *up*
You have too much self awareness to be truly tarded.
"Only he who says he is a retard is truly a wise man."
/somewhat loose paraphrase of Socrates
At least someone isn't a big meanie.
Is "Chelsea Handler" the name of a person, or a job title for someone to protect Chelsea Clinton?
Guys, this is bleak. We can't keep doing this to ourselves.
Do something about it, Boehm. Make a difference. Run for president. Be our national balm. President Eric Balm.
No no, we can't let any pretenders distract us from supporting #Kmele2020. Get on message, people.
I wouldn't worry about whether the Libertarian party risks a fall when they don't really have that far to fall in the first place.
It's like putting a helmet on a toddler riding a tricycle!
Holy shit! Out of a choice of two moderate democrats we elected a moderate democrat!
Yeah, I try to explain this to progs but they don't agree.
Yes Mr Philosopher King, please tell us more.
https://youtu.be/33Rxez4wRso?t=5m59s
Can we give this guy Dalmia's slot? he'd be way more interesting!
We can't. If Dalmia wants to give him her slot, that's fine. But it has to be her decision.
Now that The Donald has been voted in, men can grab any slot that they want.
I have to say. The progsteria has been greater than I even hoped for. I don't know if I can handle 4 years of shadenboner.
An accurate recreation of this election, starring Vince McMahon as Hillary Clinton.
MCMAHON 2020!
Thanks for the laugh. (I only watched a short bit, but it still had me laughing)
The election became much more entertaining after I started thinking of Trump as Ric Flair.
The limousine ridin
Leer jet flying
Kiss steeling
Wheeling dealing
Wining dining
Styling profiling
Vote nabbing pussy grabbing... son of a gun.
Woooooooo
*applause*
Why the fuck didn't he run ads with nothing but that clip? He'd have won much more easily.
Though I guess he won, shows what I know...
"Only 34 percent of voters said they believed she would be open and transparent,"
How dumb do you have to be to believe that Hillary Clinton would suddenly become open and transparent after a decades long career of being habitually secretive?
Because of her aversion to solid infosec she would have no choice?
I must say I'm impressed that someone at CBS figured out why Clinton lost.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/co.....tion-2016/
Yes, that guy seems to have won the internet today.
they of course missed it in the PM links.
What mean you "we", paleface?
Time for that greatest of prog Thanksgiving traditions: the distribution of talking points to lecture your relatives
http://www.slate.com/articles/.....tives.html
"...healing is not going to come immediately. Rather, "it's about steering things in a direction that you think will work out better" and "creating a framework for tolerating difference." This is especially important at events like Thanksgiving. Bennett suggests thinking of yourself like a professor in a seminar, trying to direct conversation around more general themes like what we expect out of leaders rather than contentious specifics."
Excellent idea, and you certainly won't come across as a sanctimonious, condescending prick, so dismiss that concern from your mind at once and start the seminar!
Gaze into the mind of a madman:
http://www.slate.com/articles/.....oters.html
MOAR! MOAR! You're gonna guarantee that the Democrat party becomes a regional party if you keep going like this!
"You've just seen a brutal demonstration that assailing racism, sexism, homophobia, and Islamophobia is not enough. In some ways, it's counterproductive. You need a broader message, one that appeals to people regardless of race, sex, or religion."
You see, Hillary was represented by the Republicans. They focus on how she called half of Trump's supporters a basket of deplorables. But the important part is she said the other half were simply dupes, and those are the people the Democrats have to reach out to!
*misrepresented* by the Republicans.
Why haven't we heard from Hillary? Is she in a padded cell?
CNN gives platform to Trump protester; much derp ensues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzF7f6-RqMY
NYT headline day after Election: Democrats, Students, and Foreign Allies Face the Reality of a Trump Presidency
In 2008, the headline was: Obama Elected President as Racial Barrier Falls
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Trump voters are all at work today. Clinton voters are setting fires in the streets.
Trump voters are all at work today. Clinton voters are setting fires in the streets.
That photographer is clearly a vampire lord.