Election 2016

Where the Third-Party Candidates Were Strongest

Which states gave Gary Johnson his best results? Jill Stein? Evan McMullin? And who did those candidates help more, Trump or Clinton?

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Gary Johnson

Yesterday's presidential election produced the strongest showing in 20 years for third-party and independent candidates. Not all the ballots have been tallied yet, so some of the numbers below may be slightly off from the final totals. But at this point all the alternative candidates put together have received more than 5 percent of the popular vote. The leader of the second-tier pack, Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party, has (at this point in the counting) 4,012,871 votes, or 3.23 percent of the national total. That's much less than he was polling a couple months ago, but it's far better than any other presidential result in the party's 45-year history. It's also better than any other alternative candidate since Ross Perot's campaigns of 1992 and '96.

On the state level, we didn't get to see some of the more extraordinary possibilities that had been tossed around before Tuesday. (No, Evan McMullin did not carry Utah.) But the second-tier candidates did do stronger in some places than others, giving us a map—multiple maps—of where our binary party system is doing the poorest job of representing the full spectrum of political opinion. Here's how the third-, fourth-, and fifth-place finishers fared across the country:

Gary Johnson. Not surprisingly, Johnson did best in New Mexico, the state where he was governor from 1995 to 2003: He got 9.3 percent of the vote there (and in some counties hit double digits). He got 5 percent or more in seven other states as well: North Dakota (6.3 percent), traditionally third-party-friendly Alaska (5.9), Oklahoma (5.7), South Dakota (5.6), Montana (5.6), Wyoming (5.3), and Maine (5.1).

He got at least 1 percent of the vote everywhere. His weakest showing was in Mississippi, where just 1.2 percent of the voters backed him. That's still more than double his total there in 2012.

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Jill Stein. As I write, Jill Stein of the Green Party has 1,192,344 votes, or about .96 percent of the national total. That's the Greens' best showing since Ralph Nader's campaign in 2000. Stein's highest percentage on the state level came in Hawaii, where she collected 2.9 percent of the ballots. She also managed to top 2 percent in Oregon (2.4 percent), Vermont (2.3), and—more surprisingly—Kansas (2.0). She did not outpoll Johnson in any state.

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Evan McMullin. McMullin, a conservative running as an independent, was on the ballot in only 11 states, so it's not surprising that he finished behind Johnson and Stein. (His total currently stands at 443,298 votes nationally, or .36 percent.) But he did very well in one of those states: He was a strong third in his native Utah, collecting 20.9 percent of the vote and finishing second in several counties. He also managed to get 6.9 percent in Idaho, the only other state where he beat Johnson. He didn't get as much as 2 percent anywhere else, though he managed to clear the 1 percent mark in Minnesota (1.8 percent), Virginia (1.6), Arkansas (1.2), Kentucky (1.2), and South Carolina (1.0). It is no coincidence that McMullin did best in the two states with the country's highest Mormon populations.

The only other candidate who managed to get more than 1 percent of the vote in any states was Darrell Castle of the paleoconservative Constitution Party, who is currently pulling 1.3 percent in Alaska, 1.1 percent in South Dakota, and, more surprisingly, 1 percent in Hawaii. In Nevada, where voters have the option of voting for None of the Above, that option pulled 2.6 percent.

Did these candidates tip any states from Clinton to Trump? I've already heard some ruminations to that effect from angry Democrats ready to replay their scripts from 2000, but it's a hard case to make. Johnson initially drew both disaffected Democrats and disaffected Republicans, but toward the end of the race the polls suggested that he was pulling much more from the Trump camp. (Of course, I don't blame you if you don't feel like trusting any polls right now.) And if these three candidates weren't on any ballots, a significant share of their supporters would have simply stayed home rather than vote for Clinton or Trump.

Indeed, a lot of people stayed home anyway. Turnout in general was way down this year, and Trump is currently on track to finish with a lower raw vote total than either Mitt Romney or John McCain. Let me repeat that, just to drive home how unpopular the major-party candidates were this year: The man who won this election got fewer votes than the men who lost the last two elections. Even though the country's population has grown, and even though they both lost pretty badly. [UPDATE, 11/10: This may have been premature, as it was based on a vote count that had been mislabeled as being 99 percent complete. Trump is now closing in on McCain's total and could conceivably surpass Romney. Either way, the underlying point stands: Minor-party voters may well have preferred to stay home rather than choose a major-party nominee.]

All that said, there were several states where the alternative candidates collected enough votes to cover the Clinton/Trump spread. Six of those were won by Trump—and seven were won by Clinton. Here's a rundown:

Arizona: Trump beat Clinton by four points; Johnson and Stein between them collected 5 percent. But most of that went to Johnson (3.8 percent), so it's unclear whether Trump or Clinton was hurt more by the other options on the ballot.

Colorado: Clinton won by 2.2 percent. Voters also gave 4.9 percent to Johnson, 1.2 percent to Stein, 1 percent to McMullin, and nearly 1 percent more to a collection of third-tier candidates. If Johnson was pulling more Republicans than Dems in Colorado, he may have given this one to Clinton.

Florida: Trump eked out a win by just 1.4 percent here. Johnson, Stein, Castle, and Rocky De La Fuente of the Reform Party between them collected 3.2 percent. Enough to cover the spread, but how many of those votes would have otherwise gone to Clinton? Stein got only .7 percent.

Maine: Clinton won this by three percentage points, and Johnson collected 5.1 percent, so there's a chance he tipped the state to the Democrats. (Or part of the state, anyway: Trump carried Maine's second congressional district, so he is being awarded one of the state's electoral votes.)

Michigan: Trump won this ordinarily blue state by about .3 percent, and Stein got 1.1 percent, so Democrats who feel all Green votes are rightfully theirs are going to be seething at her over this one. Meanwhile, Johnson got 3.6 percent.

Minnesota: Clinton won by 1.4 percent. McMullin got 1.8 percent. How many of those voters would have gone for Trump otherwise, and how many would have stayed home? Beats me, but between that and the other minor-candidate results—Johnson got 3.4 percent and Stein got 1.3—this looks like a state where the alternatives may have done more to help Clinton than to hurt her.

Nevada: Clinton won by 2.4 percent; Johnson got 3.3 percent. And Castle picked up half a point too.

New Hampshire: Another narrow Clinton win—just a tenth of a percentage point—and another relatively strong showing for Johnson, who collected 4.1 percent.

New Mexico: Clinton won this handily, by 8.3 percent. But Johnson, remember, got 9.3 percent. Then again, he has a history of picking up Democratic votes in New Mexico—he was reelected easily in his days as governor, despite the predominantly Democratic electorate—so it'd be hard to make the case that he played spoiler.

Pennsylvania: Trump won by about 1.1 percent. Stein's .8 percent isn't enough to cover that spread; Johnson's 2.4 percent is, but again we don't know whether he was drawing more from Trump or Clinton.

Utah: Trump beat Clinton here by about 17 percent. Sounds like a pretty big victory, but it's still less than McMullin's 20.9 percent. In this case you could make the case that the real spoiler was Clinton: If she weren't on the ballot, nearly all of her supporters surely would have preferred McMullin to Trump, perhaps allowing the independent to deny the Republican six electoral votes.

Virginia: Clinton won by 4.7 percent. Johnson, McMullin, and Stein got 3, 1.6, and .7 percent, respectively. So the third-party candidates covered the spread if you include the Green, but the two candidates who were more likely to pull from Trump didn't have quite enough to cover it on their own.

Wisconsin: Here, on the other hand, Stein's 1.1 percent is just enough to bridge the 1-percent margin between the winning Trump and the losing Clinton. But then what does Johnson's 3.4 percent do to the results—or, for that matter, the nearly half a percentage point that Castle won while running to Trump's right?

Damned if I know. I will say this, though: If the Democrats find themselves searching for scapegoats by parsing the Green and Constitution parties' totals rather than asking how they managed to nominate a candidate so weak that Wisconsin was in play, they really aren't asking the right questions.

This post has been updated to account for some late-arriving returns.

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113 responses to “Where the Third-Party Candidates Were Strongest

  1. Flyover states? You can’t win with just the yokels.

    1. One of the comments I heard last night was something along the lines of “Why do we allow these yokels from the flyover states elect the President?”

      1. I’m dismayed at how many people finish a college education in the social sciences and never read the arguments of the Federalists and anti-Federalists with regard to true democracy and the tyranny of the 50%+1. Of course, many of those same people believe that their scientishist theories have “perfected” government use of power and made them safe from the errors of the past. Both of which are wrong.

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    1. Free markets and social justice? The cognitive dissonance is strong.

    2. 4 to 8 years of this concern-trolling.

      4 to 8 years.

    3. I hope that elites, especially on the left, consider their own partial culpability in this outcome.

      LOL good one.

      1. Leftists only know one way. Double down on what isn’t working. They will NEVER admit that they are wrong, that their entire ideology is a failure.

        1. Hard to argue that, since more leftists voted that righties

  2. Hillary’s on TV in the cafeteria right now. I can’t follow what she’s saying because I’m too distracted by her crazy eyes. They just move around independently of each other. It’s fascinating.

    1. There’s nothing wrong with her! She’s just a sweet poor little granny! *runs sobbing from room*

    2. Huma’s sad puppy face is breaking my heart.

      1. But do you think she’ll look hot in orange?

    3. People at Slate where starting to freak out about how she wasn’t showing up to give the concession speech on time.

  3. Not really related to the topic, but I was just thinking… The Democrat super majority for the next 1000 years, which they proclaimed shortly after Obama started serving his first term, sure has went awry. Their one accomplishment? Fucking up the healthcare system for 350 million Americans. Congratulations, assholes.

    1. We need to wallow in delicious, delicious schadenfreude quickly, before realization sets in that it’s about to get all Republican up in here.

      1. More Republican you mean.

        1. As in doubleplus more… but wait! The nationalzocialists just got what they wanted and should be off kibitzing Tea Party blogs in hopes of landing faith-based community service sinecures as GO-Pee narcs.

      2. Oh, no doubt that team stupid are going to keep up the stupid. It’s just what they do.

        1. I have it on good authority that an across-the-board GOP majority means that by next january, people will be allowed to shoot other people as they leave abortion clinics.

      3. We need to wallow in delicious, delicious schadenfreude quickly, before realization sets in that it’s about to get all Republican up in here.

        While I expect plenty of Republican derp. It’s the double-counter Democratic derp I fear worse. 4 years of GOPtardedness combined with tearing out the ACA will leave a blank slate to finally fix healthcare, the right way, for the people who briefly had a glimpse of the good life under Obama (as recanted from the memory hole).

        1. Does the repeal of ACA just require a simple majority?

          1. Well, do you think the Dems’ll try and filibuster a repeal law? If so, then they’re going to need a few defectors to get to 60. Of course, Reid had to run his mouth about the nuclear option…

            1. If I were the Senate Majority leader, I’d give it to them good and hard, starting with Scalia’s replacement and repealing the ACA, then see if they are amenable to reverting the rules of the chamber. But, Mtich McConnell.

              1. McConnell needs to be executed by gavel.

    2. I think it was Obamacare.
      Pride goeth before the Fall.

    3. Remember when Karl Rove proclaimed the same thing in 2001? Its like they can’t learn from each other.

    4. Fucking up the healthcare system for 350 million Americans.

      Not to mention the Canadians fleeing across the border to see a specialist in less than 6 months.

  4. Well, since Johnson got more than 1% in Wisconsin, Libertarians get open ballot access. I’m tossing around the idea of running as a Libertarian for my State Assembly District next time around.

    1. Mark Miller (Railroad Commission candidate in TX) got 5.3%, so the LP has access in Texas for the next cycle. I hope that means we’ll get *lots* more candidates in ’18.

      1. Wow that’s awesome that he hit the 5% threshold there. You would think Texas would be an area where we could potentially see Libertarian success.

        1. But this isn’t the 1st time a LP nominee’s gotten over that threshold for RR Commissioner, & LP’s run lots of candidates, but so what? People are writing as if this were unprecedented.

      2. How stupid is the idea that if we elect a Libertarian president then down ticket races will go to Libertarians? We need the down ticket races to go Libertarian first, but that’s not sexy enough. If we can’t even get a Libertarian on the Railroad Commission, why are we wasting our time trying for the presidency. Was Clinton really a better choice than Trump for Libertarians? Johnson almost made that difference!

        1. The Railroad Commission is a powerful position. The reps weren’t going to give it up. I was surprised he even reached 5%.

        2. GOProhibitionist christianofascists cause crashes, panics and depressions and hide the logical connection. The Dem looters putch crippling anti-industrial anti-energy crap they were fed by communists, but the power blackouts would at least give warning. Each looter party is a major threat to peace and freedom, but mainly to a viable economy. Just look around you…

      3. How stupid is the idea that if we elect a Libertarian president then down ticket races will go to Libertarians? We need the down ticket races to go Libertarian first, but that’s not sexy enough. If we can’t even get a Libertarian on the Railroad Commission, why are we wasting our time trying for the presidency. Was Clinton really a better choice than Trump for Libertarians? Johnson almost made that difference!

        1. Since the House holds the purse that is were all our efforts should be concentrated.

      4. I’m considering becoming one.

  5. In Nevada, where voters have the option of voting for None of the Above, that option pulled 2.6 percent.

    What?

    Bastards had the opportunity of a lifetime and 2.6% oh my fucking jesus.

    1. It was at the top of the list.

  6. has any sitting president done more damage to his party than Barack Obama? His tenure has been beyond the wildest wet dreams of GOPers – more governors than ever, a huge proportion of state legislatures, Congress, and now the White House. Not that I am confident that Pubs, especially at the federal level, won’t figure out a way of screwing it up, but this has to be a huge part of the man’s legacy.

    Related, if Trump’s win is the proverbial middle finger to the system, that should bode well for either third parties or for their ideologies to gain influence in the current duopoly. Or not.

    1. Yes, George W Bush.

    2. Nixon

      1. Can’t go wrong with that answer.

    3. His tenure has been beyond the wildest wet dreams of GOPers – more governors than ever, a huge proportion of state legislatures, Congress, and now the White House.

      Only because we’re still such a horrible racisty racist country. Or something like that. /DERP

  7. Turnout in general was way down this year

    But turnout was YUUGE in the counties that Trump flipped, like rust-belt Ohio. Saw that during the one of the mapping drill-downs last night.

    1. Everyone that is talking about this being some kind of revolution needs to look at the turnout numbers. Trump got about 5 million fewer votes than Romney did in 2012. Clinton got about 10 million less. This election is about Clinton being hated twice as much by her base as Trump was by his.

      1. That is a good way of putting it.

      2. “…This election is about Clinton being hated twice as much by her base as Trump was by his.”

        D one: “Can you think of a single candidate pathetic enough to lose to Trump?”
        D two: “I got just the person!”

        1. I told my wife today that it’s as if both parties intentionally tried to pick the candidate most likely to lose to the other.

        2. “the only person who could lose to clinton was trump”
          “the only person who could lose to trump was clinton”

      3. Must be all the millenial voters…./barf

      4. Here is what I found:

        Trump 2016 59,704,886

        Romney 2016 60,933,504 So about 1.2 million

        Clinton 2016 59,938,290

        Obama 2012 65,915,795 About 6 million

        It is the Democrats who didn’t vote in droves

  8. This response to the election from Salon is both hilarious and telling:

    “The misogyny apocalypse: Turns out being white and male counts for more than intelligence, grace or decency”

    http://www.salon.com/2016/11/0…..r-decency/

    It has a subtitle that reads, “It was unimaginable that America would self-destruct rather than elect a female president, but that’s what happened”.

    It’s hilarious to see them go apoplectic.

    It’s telling to see their hatred of average Americans so clearly exposed.

    Salon hates Americans.

    Progressives hate Americans.

    They hate Americans for what we think, what we want, what we’re not willing to sacrifice, and who we are.

    1. “No one should be surprised that it was men, especially white men, who handed Trump this election. It’s been exhaustively established that the majority of white men in this country are consumed with resentment at being expected to treat women and racial minorities as equals”

      Progressives write stuff like this at Salon.

      Progressives read stuff like that at Salon.

      And progressives don’t understand why average Americans are fleeing the progressive leadership in the Democratic Party.

      1. Right. At least, after Romney, the GOP had the barest glimmer of intelligence to even consider, “Hey, maybe we aren’t as in touch with the electorate as we think we are (or should be).”

        The Left, OTOH, seems content to continue letting the GOP Civil War continue to tear the GOP apart and nothing else.

        1. What killed the Dems was selling out to Communist China pushing the Greeligion of Glowball Warming and Carbon tax transfer payments from everyone else to Red China. Temperatures have remained the same since the Y2k election, but to suck up to the Greens (commies) the Dems had ex-scientist bureaucrats concoct fake data. It was a weapons grade attack on the economy worthy of a George Waffen Bush, just slower-acting. It’s the only real difference between the looter parties, but it is a lulu.

    2. “Salon hates Americans. Progressives hate Americans”

      Look, they only hate Americans who are not thinking the way they’ve been told to. You can’t fault them for that, right? Who do these peasants think they are?

    3. intelligence, grace or decency

      what is this i can’t even

      1. It’s Mandy Marcotte, man. Just walk away shaking your head.

        1. Reminds me of Cam Newton after the last Superbowl.

    4. Oh, man. The Bernie Bros are getting out the knives in that comment thread.

    5. Shit! Intelligence, grace and decency were on the ballot? Why didn’t the Democrats vote for one of them then instead of spending all this time on someone who’s too unintelligent to acknowledge that Libya didn’t go that well, too ungraceful to avoid calling half the country “deplorable” and not decent enough to turn down donations from foreign countries while governing?

      1. A facebook friend echoed a similar sentiment. I replied that as a small L libertarian, I am frequently called a KKKocksucking Teabagging Rethuglican. If that is what passes for decency and civility by lefties, then I look forward to it ending.

        I also find it amusing that the group that believes themselves so tolerant of homosexuality is quick to whip out gay slurs when making ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with their political positions.

    6. Enjoy the tears while we can. If there’s one thing that’s clear about Progressives it’s that they never learn from their mistakes, they never even admit to making mistakes. They’ll just prog harder.

      Which means the next time they get to sit in the Iron Throne the only lesson they’ll learn from this fuckup is that they need to load the wreckers and kulaks onto cattle cars while they have the chance. Then they’ll be able to create the Utopia of their dreams.

      I’ve said before that the prospect of someone like Trump becoming an “American Hitler” is hogwash. Hitler had the support of German media, popular culture, and academia when he first came to power. Trump has none of that. Just the opposite: he’s hated by all three. But a hardcore Progressive Democrat who’s learned the above “lesson” from this and has managed to create for themselves a cult of personality will have the support of all three and could be able to end up a tyrant. When America finally succumbs to tyranny it will be much more likely to come from the Proggie Left.

  9. I’m starting to wonder. How long can this mental breakdown go for the blue media. At some point the concentration camps are going to fail to materialize and the Hitler comparison is going to melt down in the face of reality. At what point does Trump just become another Republican president in their eyes?

    1. White Squaw shall rise! No smoke peace pipe with you, pale faces.

    2. Never.

      4 to 8 years of this shit.

      4 to 8 years.

      1. Fick off, fickboi!

    3. Imagine what will happen if America does become great again.

      I suppose they’ll suddenly realize that the President has no effect on that.

    4. At what point does Trump just become another Republican president in their eyes

      When using him as a comparison point (worse than Trump!!) for all future Republican candidates loses historical relevance.

  10. I voted for Darrell Castle in GA. Unlike you GayJay/Weld cucks, I don’t vote for Republicans in the general election.

    1. Well that’s a relief.

      When are you gonna let poor Johnny up for air?

    2. Oh, Lord…

      I voted for Castle, but if I were prochoice it would have been Johnson.

      Who started this meme about how if you don’t support Trump, you want someone else to have sex with your wife?

      1. People who want Trump to have sex with their wives. It’s all just projection.

      2. Who started this meme about how if you don’t support Trump, you want someone else to have sex with your wife?

        I don’t know, but it needs to die.

        Of course, your stereotypical zealot Trump supporter probably thinks the election went the way it did because people liked Trump and his followers’ memes, and not because they hated Clinton.

      3. What is now called the alt-right but at the time was just the plain old white power internet.

        Anyone not opposed to immigration of the wrong sorts of people was a fake conservative who wanted to watch his wife have sex with a black/brown person, apparently the worse thing, most degrading thing they could think of.

        (And, of course, the ironic part is that southern GOP-dominated states is where the most cuckold porn is consumed by analysis of porn traffic.)

        1. “sex with a black/brown person, apparently the worse thing, most degrading thing they could think of”

          Definitely worth a lynching.

  11. “rather than asking how they managed to nominate a candidate so weak that Wisconsin was in play, they really aren’t asking the right questions.”

    Damn it and we were SO CLOSE!! This is honestly the only thing I really dislike about the election.

    Articles were being run here in Wisconsin about how we “were not a battleground state” anymore!! We had a FRACTION of the political ads that we normally got!! It was AWESOME. We just needed ONE more democrat win for the political ads to leave us alone forever, but the Democrats just HAD to put forth Clinton and ruin all that.

    Now we’re a battleground again!! In four years the ads are coming back!! Thanks Hillary!!

  12. giving us a map?multiple maps?of where our binary party system is doing the poorest job of representing the full spectrum of political opinion

    On the flip side, it may just be showing us where the duopoly has done the best and worst job of convincing the electorate of the mathematics of “spoiler” voting. We really need a new voting system so that is never a specter that gets raised again. Hopefully Maine’s new law will light the way for the rest of the country.

    1. Yes. FairVote.org’s work nationwide on ranked choice voting is really important. That’s the best simple change we can make to our system.

  13. The Libertarian Party won ballot access in 17 states last night and won more than 5% of the vote in 4 more states on top of that. It was a massive win for freedom, and a huge jump in momentum for the LP.

    1. I blame Bill Weld.

      1. …we all do.

    2. Yes, and those spoiler votes are going to change a raft of moronic laws. The looters’ll never admit that it was to clear the board. When was the last time a Dem or GO-Pee looter admitted that they stopped picking on gays out of fear they might vote libertarian en bloc?

  14. Louisiana got over 2 percent.

  15. Louisiana got over 2 percent
    For a new post, this should be up to date by Reason. Please change it to show the reality. https://voterportal.sos.la.gov/Graphical
    Louisiana volunteers worked hard for that 2%, DOUBLING what we had in 2012, from 18,157 to 37,950.

    1. 37,950 is what I had too, but it was listed as 1.9%. Are you sure that 2% isn’t just rounded up?

  16. Libertarian Moment = covering the spread…..yay?

    1. Absolutely! That is what repeals bad laws.

  17. Louisiana is still not fixed.

    1. Well it has only been in the Union for 204 years, Ya Can’t except Miracles Overnight!

  18. Millions of votes still haven’t been counted. We can’t really know if Trump’s total is less than Mitt Romney’s total until early December.

  19. I did an analysis like this of votes for Norma Segal for US senator from NY in 1992 (Libertarian), mostly on a county basis, but in some places on a ward or election district basis. The strongest correl’n was w votes for Perot for prez. Since Perot was alone on his line, voters drawn in to vote “3rd choice”, if they pulled him for prez had a good chance of voting for the next most prominent “3rd” choice for other offices; it was a very strong, in some cases record-breaking year for Libertarians, independents, & a few other 3rd candidates (LP being the most prominent small party nationwide, as it has been fairly consistently for decades if you smooth out the bumps from upstarts) for statewide offices across the country. So it was the points above the Segal-Perot regression line that I took to be the result of Norma’s campaigning (as in Syracuse).

    Weird, huh, Libertarians riding Perot’s coattails?

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  22. Way to go Gary! When was the last time one of our candidates increased the vote share by 400%?

  23. I see no strength here. Want strong third parties? Try Canada or Mexico or Great Britain or Ireland or Iceland or Israel.

  24. After watching Johnson, who was really a pretty pathetic candidate, I wondered why Libertarians tend to get these folks.

    The answer is that serious libertarians join the Republican party where they have a chance of actually achieving something, even if it isn’t libertopia. Rand Paul is a good example of this.

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  28. This may be the perfect opportunity for Reason to push Maine’s example and push ranked choice voting to force a majority winner by state so that this third party spoiler argument is null and void.

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  32. Hmmmm…if only there were some obvious characteristic of the dark blue states that could explain this? Something quantitative. Something in the numbers. Something about the people. Something that counts.

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