Homelessness

Newark Considers Crackdown on Giving Food to the Homeless

Not fair to homeless that their food isn't "scrutinized," one councilman explained.

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Authorities in Newark, N.J., want to start enforcing a 50 year old rule requiring a permit for the distribution of food products, according to The Star-Ledger. The move appears to be an effort to discourage the homeless from congregating around Newark Penn Station, the main train station in the city.

East Ward Councilman Augosto Amador said residents he represents, who live near the station, have complained about the homeless population.

"I find it ironic that, whenever we have a special event, street fair or festival, the vendors that handle food are required to come to the city and follow the guidelines," Amador said, according to The Star-Ledger. "However, when a church or agency decides to feed the homeless, the guidelines are not followed."

Amador doesn't think it's fair to the homeless either. "It's not fair to the homeless that they are being served food without any scrutiny whatsoever," Amador explained.

The city health department appears to be on board. "We have shared concerns for the safety and quality of the food that is being provided," the department director told The Star Ledger, "as well as the process by which it is delivered."

Another council member, the Central Ward's Gayle Chaneyfield Jenkins, suggested people could be trying to harm the homeless. "Somebody could come down and poison a bunch of people under the auspices of giving away food," she said, according to The Star Ledger. "Every good deed is not in this day and age, with all the hate we see going on."

Jenkins offered no evidence. There have been no media reports of any homeless person being poisoned by anyone masquerading as a Good Samaritan. Jenkins, on the other hand, previously came under scrutiny for charging $8,000 worth of meals to the city in one year alone, as well as owing $100,000 in back taxes. She also spent $3,000 of city taxpayer money to attend a film festival in Florida, and $1,000 for custom-made Mother's Day cards. Newark city council members are among the best paid in the state, with a salary of $85,000 in 2012 plus various perks.

The homeless, as The Star-Ledger reports, don't seem to mind the free food. "I think the food is just as warm as the hands that reach out to give it to us," one homeless man told The Star Ledger. Some volunteers questioned why the city was going to require permits. "We're not making any money," one volunteer said. Another said their group wouldn't have come out if they knew they needed a permit. "We are men and women of God," Victoria Mack, a member of a Christian group that feeds the homeless in Newark, told The Star Ledger. "We want to do the right thing."

Amador has been a city councilman since 1998. Jenkins was a councilwoman from 1995 to 2006, and was elected again in 2014 despite the controversy over her use of city money and her significant back taxes. It's unclear what, if anything, they've done for the homeless since they've been in office.

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  1. “I find it ironic that, whenever we have a special event, street fair or festival, the vendors that handle food are required to come to the city and follow the guidelines,” Amador said, according to The Star-Ledger. “However, when a church or agency decides to feed the homeless, the guidelines are not followed.”

    Ironic does not mean what you think it means.

    1. Nah, its just like a knife when all you need is ten thousand spoons.

      1. No one needs a knife.

        1. No one needs that many spoons either. Common Sense High Capacity Spoon legislation, NOW.

    2. Today, I saw irony: a tow truck being towed away by a tow truck.

      1. Tow truck tow trucks are huge.

    3. I think it was Jesus who said … “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger as long as guidelines are followed”

      1. Jesus would be horrified if he saw the kind of wanton aid that unregulated charity brought around. Obviously when the bible was written “feed the hungry” implied “after you’ve paid the appropriate fees to the government”. Seriously won’t anyone think of the starving chidren?

  2. Shelter director: Are you the ones leaveing the muffing pieces behind our shelter?

    Elaine: You been enjoying them?

    Shelter director: They’re just stumps.

    Elaine: Well they’re perfectly edible.

    Shelter Director: Oh, so you just assume that the homeless will eat them, they’ll eat anything?

    Mr. Lippman: No no, we just thought…

    Shelter Director: I know what you thought. They don’t have homes, they don’t have jobs, what do they need the top of a muffin for? They’re lucky to get the stumps.

    Elaine: If the homeless don’t like them the homeless don’t have to eat them.

    1. Rebecca DeMornay.

  3. Newark city council members are among the best paid in the state, with a salary of $85,000 in 2012 plus various parks.

    Do the city council members have to pay property taxes on their parks? Do they charge the homeless for setting up camps in them?

    1. No one in government deserves 85k. The deserve somewhere in between minimum wage and tar and feathers and no more than 2 years employed in government, for life, period. Then they go get a real job. The only perk for the job should be that they must be put in the stocks in public at least once a week so angry citizens can smash them upside the head with rotted fruits and sacks of pig shit. I’m being nice here.

  4. It’s unclear what, if anything, they’ve done for the homeless since they’ve been in office.

    Well, they’re doing their best to see to it them free-loading sonsabitches don’t get no free food without the city getting a little somethin-somethin. See, just because you’re homeless and broke and ain’t got shit don’t mean you can’t make yourself useful to the state.

    1. It’s unclear what, if anything, they’ve done for the homeless since they’ve been in office.

      Greatly increased their ranks?

  5. Speaking of homeless, there seems to be a lot of them in Austin. I almost feel like I’m in California, or Seattle.

    1. Yup, it’s a little progtopia in the middle of TX.

      1. Yeah it’s really great how Uber isn’t here.

      2. These get created when progs ruin someplace and then flee it, so that they can ruin the next place they become a cancer upon.

        1. It’s not just progs who do that. See: all of Latin America, and the entire Muslim world.

          1. I would strongly disagree about Latin America. There are a number of reasons for the crappy conditions that usually include top down central control rather than solely cultural explanations. We just got lucky that we were not colonized by the Spanish and Portuguese. The Brits were the best of the lot.

            1. You just don’t understand that all people from Latin America and Muslims are subhuman filth. Let PapayaSF explain it all to you.

              1. Another example of the nuanced thinking skills of CZmacure.

  6. East Ward Councilman Augosto Amador said residents he represents, who live near the station, have complained about the homeless population.

    No further analysis is required.

    1. DONT FEED THE SQUIRRELS.

  7. “Newark Considers Crack Down on Giving Food to the Homeless
    Not fair to homeless that their food isn’t “scrutinized,” one councilman explained.”

    Wow, these guys are so like 1990s. Where have they been? Enlightened cities have been doing this for years!

  8. No clue how credible this is about first exit polls setting path to Trump win:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_RYBJflUE4

    Thoughts?

    1. Not sure. CNN has already given it to Hillary. How they know, I haven’t a clue.

      1. Because that’s what the DNC and the Clinton campaign told them to say?

        1. On CNN tonight they had various pundits saying why Hillary was going to win, and claiming their new poll shows her three points ahead nationwide, with ‘experts’ then saying the last polls in a race ‘are always the most accurate’. Underneath on the ticker came a supposed quote from Trump, something like:

          “Donald Trump in Florida says “Win or Lose, we gave it a good shot.”

          Somehow I don’t hear that being what Trump said. It sounds like something a longshot in the local City Council race might say. It sounds like the flailing of a loser. So of course that’s what CNN would run.

          Good grief, they’re really going all out in the last two days to disillusion the Republicans and Trump supporters to feel what’s the point, we’ve lost, no use voting at this point. Meanwhile, they have the goddam audacity a few minutes later to do a discussion about ‘vote suppression efforts against minorities’.

          CNN has continued to try to argue that they are the balanced, middle-road, ‘impartial’ cable news station. But in this election they’ve really given up all semblance of being anything but a DNC house organ. Really embarassing.

    2. Wait a minute. This poll is only for Israeli Jewish immigrants? I live in a community that has a large population of Jews. Everyone here tells me they vote a straight Democrat ticket, period.

      1. Immigrants. Not old people.

      2. Yeh, was wondering why this was important or is this grasping?

        1. Well, I guess I misunderstood it. After watching again, it sounds like they’re saying American citizens living abroad in Israel, and it sounds like mostly Israelis and many Jewish Orthodox. I’m telling you though, I live in a community with many Orthodox Jews, and I personally do not know any of them or talk to them, but everyone I know who does, say they vote straight Democrat, no exceptions. Most progtards seem to hate Jews, so I don’t get it, but there it it.

          1. Most Jews vote straight Democrat.

            Orthodox Jews vote straight Republican.

            1. Are you telling me that I’m surrounded by Trumpets? This neighborhood is probably 60% Orthodox Jewish, if not more than that. But no worries for diversity, the other 40% is made up of 38% white devil non-bleevers, 4 Koreans, and one Brazilian. Multicultural!

              1. Orthodox Jews are like any other group of people orthodox in their religion: They tend to have very socially conservative views. Orthodox Jews are also more likely than other Jews to significantly factor Israel into their vote, and most of them have been pissed at Obama for 8 years and figure Hillary will be the same.

                1. “They tend to have very socially conservative views.”

                  Well, I had figured out that much. Who the hell else walks around outside in all black long sleeve clothing when it’s in the upper 90s with 60% humidity? Some of the women are very attractive. I like how they always dress feminine, always dresses, always, every day of the week. But always long sleeves no matter what time of year.

    3. Carpe Cunnus!

        1. Entirely unrelated, PM*,

          I am interested in the pastrami recipe that you mentioned several months ago, assuming that you would like to discuss it here.

          *I know that more than one commentator here at H&R will likely find the the two very different subjects to be somehow related, and I do not accept responsibility for such interpretations.

          1. Sure, I stole it from Chef Steps. Left out a few spices, added a little more sugar.

            Typically, you’d use a packer brisket. Nobody sells point cut by itself, but the fat is critical, so you have to buy the whole thing. Costco is 2.49/lb for USDA Prime.

            Chuck ribs are actually a lot better, but more expensive.

            The only spices that are CRITICAL are coriander and mustard. If you’ve ever cured meat before, you’ll know mustard powder as the “hot dog smell”.

            1. Recipe:
              Short rib pastrami

              Oh, and I don’t brine; I dry cure. Much faster, and more concentrated flavor.

    4. Thoughts?

      He’s going to lose by a wide margin, Rufus?

      Of course, Trump not being elected president has been one of my thoughts since he became the Republican candidate. The only difference between then and now is how much I thought he would lose by. Originally I thought he’d lose by a “huge” margin. Now I am far less certain, and I tend to think that he’ll lose by a wide margin.

  9. Since Reason covered the cops spying on a journalist in Montreal, turns out our scumbag Mayor had a hand in it since the journalist was also investigating him:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/…..-1.3839547

    1. Ooh, so that’s why he went to the bat for the cops and rejected mob justice this weekend!

      1. Yup.

        Because he’s scum.

        1. Sounds like he could have a bright future with the DNC.

          1. He is (or used to be at least) a bigwig in federal Liberal Party. Their executive is kinda
            Ike DNC, except they are functional and competent at suppressing dissent.
            They may not win election every time, but you bet the party dances to their tune!

            1. The DNC are still pretty good at stamping out dissent. However, for party Stupid, the barbarians are already inside the gate and the pillaging and burning has commenced. Which means team Stupid is now somehow better.

              1. The DNC are still pretty good at stamping out dissent

                Pikers. Someone like Bernie can not happen among the Liberals. Someone executive does not want (e.g. Marc Emery’s wife) can’t get past selection process, no matter what local membership says, or how insignificant the riding. Or then-not-yet-PM Zoolander promises.

            2. Remember when the little opportunist twirp went after Shane Doan for an alleged racial slur against French-Canadians before the facts were in while a minister?

              1. I just want to know if Zoolander has legalized weed and Mexican ass sex yet?

                1. I just want to know if Zoolander has legalized weed and Mexican ass sex yet?

                  Despite it being Current Year, no. But, totally in Current Year +1, for reals!

                  Federal legislation to legalize marijuana will be ready in a year, Canada’s health minister told the UN at a special session of the General Assembly in New York today.

                  “We will introduce legislation in spring 2017 that ensures we keep marijuana out of the hands of children and profits out of the hands of criminals,” Jane Philpott said in her prepared speech to delegates.

                  “We will work with law enforcement partners to encourage appropriate and proportionate criminal justice measures. We know it is impossible to arrest our way out of this problem,” she said.

                  This is from April, so goalposts may shift soon.

                  1. As far as Mexican ass-sex, we have this from June

                    The Government of Canada has made it a top priority to re-establish and strengthen our relationship with one of our most important partners, Mexico. To this end, Prime Minister Trudeau today announced Canada’s intention to lift the visa requirement for Mexican visitors to Canada beginning December 1, 2016. Lifting the visa requirement will deepen ties between Canada and Mexico and will increase the flow of travellers, ideas, and businesses between both countries.

                    Again, no idea if this is happening or if it will be delayed for reasons. Possibly past Current Year.

                  2. Gosh, that’s not at all dripping with contempt for people who might want to ingest from the unapproved list.

                    1. “Totally not dripping with contempt for the proles, honestly” has been a Liberal Party platform for…oh, over a century?

                  3. I love the way politicians can make the simplest thing into a total clusterfuck. Dumbshits. You know how you make cannabis legal? Stop fucking arresting people for it! DUMB.FUCK.SHIT.ASS.HELL!!!!!!

  10. Your mother gave you food without a permit, and look how you turned out.

  11. “We have shared concerns for the safety and quality of the food that is being provided,”

    Yeah, because eating out of a fucking dumpster offers the best quality food, and is so much safer.

    People have nerve to call anarchy chaos.

    1. “Shared” concerns with the homeless people? Complete lie.

      1. “Complete lie”

        It’s just what we do together.

        1. If we would just join them they wouldn’t have to do this.

      2. And definitely illegal in NJ.

    2. Yeah, because eating out of a fucking dumpster offers the best quality food, and is so much safer.

      Same with building codes. Simple decent protection from the elements is unsatisfactory and the homeless would be better off in a doorway or blackberry thicket if the structure doesn’t have enough child proof wall outlets spaced correctly throughout and so on.

  12. How the F.B.I. Reviewed Thousands of Emails in One Week

    They didn’t, but they felt sufficiently pressured about it that they planted this story in the friendly NYT.

    1. It was all coffee, cigarettes, pizza and rolled sleeves. Right?

    2. The F.B.I. discovered approximately 650,000 emails on a computer that agents had seized while investigating Mr. Weiner

      As it turned out, law enforcement officials said, there was no need to review all of the emails… many of those were duplicates of messages that had been looked at previously, officials said

      That allowed the F.B.I. to sort through the emails faster than many, including some at the agency, had expected.

      Here’s how federal agents, in the span of a week, could pore over a huge cache of emails and once again conclude that neither Mrs. Clinton nor her aides should face charges related to her handling of classified information on a personal server. The investigation, again, is closed.

      Is this parody?!

      1. When F.B.I. agents seized Mr. Weiner’s laptop, they did discover about 650,000 emails, but only some of them belonged to Ms. Abedin, agents found. They realized that her emails might be relevant to the F.B.I.’s completed investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server, but those were only a small subset of the total.
        Skip ’em!
        Many of the emails were copies of messages that agents had examined earlier while investigating Mrs. Clinton and her aides. Again, it’s not clear how many were duplicates Then how is that argument relevant?!
        From the beginning, officials said it would take an extraordinary discovery to change their conclusion that nobody should face charges in the case. Yeah no shit.

        TLDR: “Nah. No reason to actually look at these. Just wanted everyone to know that we had them and that there is absolutely nothing to see here at all.”

    3. That’s interesting. The State Department will be releasing Hillary’s emails through 2020.

      The FBI must have some fucking magic that they won’t share.

  13. It’s not fair to the homeless that they are being served food without any scrutiny whatsoever.

    Bullshit. Absolutely nobody thinks this way. An honest statement would have been:
    I’m sick of lookin’ at em. And one was pretty aggressive about asking me for a smoke the other day.

    Nobody is worried about food safety for the homeless. Least of all: the homeless.

    1. “Bullshit. Absolutely nobody thinks this way.”

      Well, I mean at least Hillary Clinton thinks like that. She truly cares about you. Which is why just yesterday she was pointing her fingers and screeching at you. Which is why she must lead us.

      1. Wait til she turns into Mecha-Hillary tomorrow night. America has no idea what we’re in store for.

        1. Well, I think some of us have a very good idea. Which is why I will totally not be conscious come Wed morning. I am way beyond disappointed with my fellow Americans.

          1. At least Trump, should he win, will just yell “Psych!”, drop his mic, and walk away.

        2. What rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards the District of Columbia?

          1. If only the founders had known what they had wrought, what foul and evil forces they had unleashed, surely they would have walked out the back door and set sail for new horizons?

            1. If only we had stuck to free trade and no entangling alliances…and quashed the slavery right out of the gate. It weakens us still.

        3. I still expect on Jan. 20th, right after she takes the oath of office, to see her peel off her Hillary skin to reveal that she’s actually a lich king (or Cthulu, or whatever)

          1. Not Cthulu. He would’t have to bother with elections, he’d just go right ahead and destroy us.

            -jcr

  14. “It’s not fair to the homeless that they are being served food without any scrutiny whatsoever,” Amador explained.

    Hmm. That food looks OK. Carry on, Amador.

    1. The homeless aren’t under any “scrutiny”? The food isn’t under any “scrutiny”? Seriously, WTF is this slaver trying to say?

      1. *in Dylan voice*
        Everybody must get scrutinized.

        1. “Stop and Scrutinize” sounds more fun than “Stop and Frisk”. Alliteration for the win.

        2. At least they’re clearly not packing in the back.

      2. WTF is this slaver trying to say?

        “Why don’t they hang out in someone else’s district?”

  15. What, no ceviche/homeless jokes? I am dismayed!!!

    1. What about cake? Do they want cake?

      1. Where do those homeless guys get those grubby fingerless gloves they’re always wearing? I can’t find them at Bloomingdale’s.

        They’d be great for this video the kids down the block want to make, about ‘the early days of Madonna’.

    2. I know there’s a riff in here somewhere about homeless people, plastic bags, and… fish…

    1. They’re going to be staying up all night on Tuesday to finish the episode.

      Jebus bless them.

      1. I think they copped to the fact that in 2008 they only had an episode where Obama won. I’m sure they will wait to finish a scene that incorporates Hilldog’s speech, but otherwise I bet it’s mostly finished.

        Still, you’re right that they’ll have much better things to do tomorrow night than the rest of us.

        1. Being $400 millionaires? Yeah, that’s more important than whatever I’m doing.

        2. They had one other one during the primaries. The Snuke I think.

  16. Some volunteers questioned why the city was going to require permits. “We’re not making any money,” one volunteer said.

    Robby-logic

    1. What part of not-for-profit don’t you understand?

  17. So we ot the “How did we vote”-piece from Reason but they seemed to have skipped “The libertarian case for…” this election. Or did I miss it?

    1. You’re right. Maybe Manguward didn’t want to waste money on that. Smart!

      1. Was it a print-zine feature or the website? ’cause Nick runs the website.

    1. The, use of, commas, tells me, that, the site, is,,,,, retarded.

        1. -2 Clinton body count

        2. Sometimes you don’t even need to go to Snopes. If it smells like bullshit, it usually is.

    2. +2 Clinton body count

  18. I put a small wager on Trump winning tomorrow. The prediction markets have it going about 4-1. I see it being more like 3-2. Go Trump!

    1. You know, as much as I don’t want to see Trump become President, one positive effect would be your head exploding.

      1. And not seeing Shreek here for the next 4 years, cankle slurping.

        Oh fuck, I mean really, Trump winning would cause a prog breakdown of such epic proportions, that I could live off the energy of it for a decade. Who can’t want that? I mean, I want them both to lose, but…

  19. Have you all taken the racist pledge?

    https://votingwhileblack.com

    1. #VotingWhileBlack means you’re committed to voting on issues that matter to Black communities and to holding elected officials ? from prosecutors to presidents ? accountable to us both during and after the election.

      Oh, FFS!

      1. How’s that working out for them with the current president?

    2. It’s not about voting for one party. Lol.

    3. tackling climate change

      Yeah, they’re totally not taking sides.

      1. It’s fucking hot in the ghetto.

        1. Before climate change, about 18,000 years ago, Detroit was covered in a glacier a mile thick. It was lot better.

          1. Yes, a LOT better. Fors real.

      2. Brought to you by the DNC.

        1. Its a subsidiary of MoveOn.org run by Van Jones… and some other guy.

          Its about as “grassrootss” and “in touch with the black community” as Milli Vanilli

            1. I think it would have been interesting to see the 5% Nation anti-pork response to that

      3. Also gun control, which is hilarious and sad considering the history of gun control and why it started in the first place.

      4. “tackling climate change
        Yeah, they’re totally not taking sides.”

        Oh fuck off, you privileged CIS shitlord! I can guarantee you if you go into the poorest inner city ghettos in America and start asking the black folks what ails them and what their biggest concerns are, that climate change will be NUMBER FUCKING ONE, because white progs wish it to be.

        I hope that white progs finally establish the utopia they’ve been chasing and that they all arrive in that special place and that it then FALLS INTO THE FUCKING SEA never to be seen again.

        1. I thought BLM had the “stuff lefty white people like” beat fully covered but apparently not.

        2. Oh! You mean Arizona Bay!

    4. I can tell you from personal experience, folks from the hood don’t give a shit about climate change. Because you know, they have much more pressing issues.

  20. OT: Derp from HuffPost

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..97c1c54ba1

    “I don’t want somebody who’s likable or cool anymore. We need a two-faced, conniving, crazy, just somebody who’s just got a million schemes,” he joked. “We need just a tough, bitch mother who nobody likes, who just does the shit.”

    I love his stand up but his political views are pretty infantile. People don’t want a government that protects their rights, they want a government that will take care of them, like their mother did. Sad.

    1. The purpose of motherhood is to turn out healthy independent offspring capable of making choices that will increase the offspring’s chances of survival.

      I don’t think his plan will work.

    2. Damn, if I had just included the link yesterday I could demand a hat tip…

      But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with liberals that they need the government to be their mother?

    3. YUM YUM SHIT-SANDWICH WUMMY

  21. Another council member, the Central Ward’s Gayle Chaneyfield Jenkins, suggested people could be trying to harm the homeless. “Somebody could come down and poison a bunch of people under the auspices of giving away food,” she said, according to The Star Ledger. “Every good deed is not in this day and age, with all the hate we see going on.”

    Yes, and that’s nothing like the government mandating that alcohol be poisoned to prevent icky people from consuming it during prohibition (and which remains in force even today).

    1. Or the government actively seeking to ban safe tobacco alternatives.

  22. I don’t know – put it all in disposable fast food containers and leave a box on the sidewalk. You get hit with a fine for littering, worst case.

    I guess then the residents could complain that the homeless were leaving styrofoam containers all over the place.

    1. “I don’t know – put it all in disposable fast food containers and leave a box on the sidewalk. You get hit with a fine for littering, worst case”

      They’d probably put hundreds of government agents on that with a budget in the hundreds of millions and the media would spin it as the worst new scary craze sweeping the country, scary people trying to give the homeless food without knowing what’s in it. This would set off a craze of soccer mom pants shitting that would lead to new legislation, for the children.

      I apologize to the entire world for the retardation of my fellow citizens.

      1. What if they were dressed as clowns?

        1. Apocalypse Now

  23. “Every good deed is not in this day and age, with all the hate we see going on.”. That’s not quite a full sentence, if you know what I mean

  24. Speaking of homeless people doing crack

    1. Well, if he wasn’t threatening to attack Iran and go to war with Russia…

      1. If Hillary wins and provokes a nuclear attack I hope it hits D.C. and takes these people out. The loss of the Smithsonian collections is a small price to pay.

  25. Much as I won’t do it, it’s hard to imagine any law consistent with liberty which precludes feeding the vermin.

    1. I’m feeding my kids until they’re 18. After that, ?

      1. VOTE TRUMP and you’re off the hook for 8 more years of health insurance. Oh wait, California…nevermind.

      2. “I’m feeding my kids until they’re 18. After that, ?:

        I’ve spoken with quite a few parents who have had a hard time getting the “snowflakes” out the door.
        While we can all point to how our parents weren’t the ideal parents, I’m guessing most of them had at least one good idea.
        In my case, the day I graduated HS, Mom laid out what the ‘rents would do to help with my further education, but also made clear that from that day forward, there would be a ‘room and board’ cost if I wanted to stay there (the family home).
        It was not punitive; hell, it probably represented pure charity on their part, but it was now clear it costs money to exist and I’d better figure out how to cover those costs.

        1. My parents had a different take on getting me and my 5 brothers out the door. As we got older dad demanded work. We had to run the sawmill, cut hay, work the cattle, pick up and move rocks, clear land, etc. I know that this isn’t an option for more suburban parents specifically, but the concept is tried and true. Work your kids to death and they will leave when they can. They will also leave with a work ethic.

          My 4 year old has chores. He will probably think I’m a monster through his teenage years, but that boy will know how to work, and that is the key to success.

          1. We (siblings and I) had chores when we were younger, but it sounds like your parents applied the same rule; the kids are our responsibility until age 18 (or pick one). After that, the kids are young adults and expected to act like it.

            1. It was your job to shoot the rats?

              1. it was my pleasure to shoot the rats.
                +1 second amendment

                1. I’ll bet you watch some of these vids from time to time:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hClu0pF-N8
                  As kids, we rat-plinked, but I never hit one. I had a 22LR bolt-action match rifle and iron sights and certainly no IR illumination.
                  But would you please tell these twits to CHAMBER A GODDAM ROUND INSTANTLY AFTER SHOOTING!? Over the years of watching these, it remains amazing the number of shots missed because the shooter lined up on the target AND THEN REALIZED THERE WASN’T A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER, FFS!

          2. My parents had a different take on getting me and my 5 brothers out the door. As we got older dad demanded work. We had to run the sawmill, cut hay, work the cattle, pick up and move rocks, clear land, etc.

            Which is odd since you lived in in a four-floor walk-up in Queens.

            1. I don’t follow your comment. I live in the ozark mountains of NW arkansas. always have, always will.

              1. Warren really likes wine. Out of a box.

                1. I’m drunk on democracy!

                    1. I’M WITH HER BOX!

                    2. Ewwwwwwwww

                    3. Holy shit, man! You just ruined wine for me for the next 60-90 seconds. That’s a big fucking deal.

                    4. Why do you drink that shit? Steep it in herbs and cook with it. This makes me sad, Playa.

              2. My parents did the same thing with me. (cattle, hay, rocks, tractors, the whole works). There must be something in the water in our part of the world. Another possibility is that there wasn’t a lot of extra money so our parents couldn’t afford to spoil us. Personally, I think we turned out better because of it.

                1. Another possibility is that there wasn’t a lot of extra money so our parents couldn’t afford to spoil us

                  I understand. My parents are a doctor and a teacher. They/We had ample funds. I believe they made me work out of a sense of principle. I am similarly well off, and I treat my boy like we are poor as fuck and have to labor for anything we have. I do it because I think that instilling a work ethic in a child is the best thing that one can do for a child. period.

                2. My family loved them some work ethic. Hoe a row before school, having supper on the table when my father came home because he was divorced (again) and I was the woman of the house at 12.

                  Rue #1: The boss is always right.

                  Rule #2: If the boss is wrong, see rule #1.

                  And everyone wonders why I turned out such an anarchist.

                  But the work ethic, y’know… that was the best thing my biological family ever gave me. By god, they’re insane and they had no good motives, but they taught me to work. This should be evidence that even the most idiotic get it right every now and again, even if for bad motives.

        2. Kicked out at 17. It’s the best thing my parents ever did for me.

          1. ^+1
            SO LONG as mommy and daddy haven’t spent the last X years telling you how wonderful you were and how the world owed you your mortgage and how you should never have to worry about things.
            Once the parents do that, what options are available?
            Bill Mauldin, “Brass Ring” is a quick read and a wonderful example of parents who weren’t wonderful and the resilience (as opposed to the fragility) of kids.

            1. It wasn’t easy for my parents. Well, it probably was for my dad. He knows his long game.

              I’m going through this stuff with my wife now. When I tell the kids no, I mean it. Sun, rain, snow, nuclear holocaust; no means no.

              I guess I’m lucky in that this is the only point of contention in our marriage.

              1. “I guess I’m lucky in that this is the only point of contention in our marriage.”

                I have several friends for whom this is (or was) a major issue. From what I’ve seen, there seems to be no consistent *and* good resolution.

                1. Well, kids ruin everything. It’s science.

                  My wife and I would probably be naked somewhere in Tahiti right now, but kids.

                  1. I am there. 18 months, 3, and 5. Total chaos does not quite describe it. Kids are a pain in the ass and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.

                  2. That might have something to do with why you have kids right now, Playa.

                2. My parents told me to get a paperboy job when I was ten. After that I worked at a driving range, a deli and then for my dad’s construction biz. It was by far the best thing my parent could have taught me. I will do the same for my kids. Life is not free. Freedom starts with yourself.

              2. So your wife’s parenting is raping you.

        3. That was pretty much my situation. I figured if I was going to pay rent, it might as well be for a place where I could set my own rules (or lack thereof).

  26. The election is tomorrow? I’d better read up on these candidates!

    1. I was no on everything. Sevo said yes on one thing. I trust him, so I’ll figure it out tomorrow on the ballot.

    2. Drink early, drink often!

      Clinton has an ad on tv tonight making sure anyone casting a ballot for Trump knows it’s because they hate women. I’m watching Hogan’s Heroes instead. Knowing nothing is feeling like a winning plan right now.

  27. This article reminds me. A little while ago I saw a local news segment where, evidently, the news department thought it would be a good idea to go to the kitchen of some private citizen (presumably a volunteer!) with a representative from the city health department and offer “helpful advice” on what the homeowner was doing “wrong” in the kitchen as compared to the city health code. I thought the entire idea was creepy, there is no way I would want the government watching me make food in my own kitchen, but after articles like this, I guess this is where we are headed.

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  29. Oh, and that twit Anderson Cooper pimps for Clinton:

    “Anderson Cooper Tears Into Kellyanne Conway Over ‘Irresponsible’ Donald Trump”
    […]
    “Anderson Cooper and Donald Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway got heated again on Sunday night when the CNN host asked if Trump was “irresponsible” for speculating “without having any facts” that recent findings in the Hillary Clinton email scandal would result in criminal charges”
    http://www.sfgate.com/entertai…..598201.php

    Heaven forbid Trump should point out that the hag should have been indicted several times by now! Cooper aghast!

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