Donald Trump Accused of Kissing Porn Star Jessica Drake Without Her Consent, Offering to Pay Her $10,000 for Sex

Drake did not agree to Trump's advances said lawyer Gloria Allred on Saturday.

@JeffreyGuterman/Twitter

Adult-film star and sex educator Jessica Drake is the latest woman to accuse Donald Trump of moving on her sexually without consent. At a live Los Angeles press-conference Saturday with lawyer Gloria Allred, Drake accused the Republican presidential nominee of "uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement, and being a sexual assault apologist," and claimed he kissed her and two other women without their consent upon meeting them in 2006. Drake also said Trump offered to pay her for sex.

According to Drake, she and the other women were invited by Trump back to his Lake Tahoe hotel suite after meeting him at a golf tournament. Once there, Trump allegedly grabbed each of them tightly and kissed them. Later, a Trump representative called and invited Drake back to the suite alone, she said, but she declined—after which Trump personally called to extend the invitation. "What do you want? How much?" Trump allegedly said before offering her $10,000, which she rejected.

Drake's accusations add to the growing chorus of women from Trump's past now accusing him of kissing, grabbing, and groping them against their will. What's novel here is the allegation that Trump solicited sex for cash.

Libertarians don't think that last part should be illegal, and I guess it's not surprising that Trump doesn't, either—Trump's (handlebar-mustachioed) immigrant grandfather first made his money in America by running a Seattle brothel, after all. But Trump hasn't shown much willingness lately to buck with GOP tradition when it comes to freaking out about sex, signing a recent pledge to get tough on internet porn and repeatedly denouncing Anthony Weiner as a "pervert" for sexting.

Sexual pervert Anthony Weiner has zero business holding public office.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 10, 2013

At the press conference, Allred stressed that Drake's profession as a porn actress and director was irrelevant here. In her work, Drake consents to certain sexual activities, said Allred, while she did not agree to Trump's advances.

Comments

[Trigger Hippie]

Without reading the article I'm guessing the scenario is: Trump tries to kiss a woman, she rebukes him, he doesn't rape her.

That fucking monster.

[Trigger Hippie]

Eh, close enough.

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[Brochettaward]

*Reads story* You're right. Are you a wizard?

[Trigger Hippie]

No. But I bought the magazine as a kid in the early 90's.

[SophieDaniels]

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[Entelechy]

Another 500 bucks, , and she can afford to offer Donald Trump $10,000 for sex.

[The Elite Elite]

How come when all these "victims" come out accusing a Republican running for office of sexually assaulting them, they ALWAYS turn to Gloria Allred?

[GILMORE?]

Because she specializes in creating lots of bad press for high-profile individuals to get huge settlements for her gold-digging slutwhore clients?

But this is only what i have heard from other sources, many of whom may not be at all credible.

I myself have no particular insight into her practice. For all i know she is a noble crusader in pursuit of just restitution from egregious civil-rights violators.

I also believe Bandit Industries makes the finest woodchippers in North America.

[CZmacure]

Came here to post this.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Right there you need to put up your skeptical antennae.

[Ted S.]

Why do the media have certain people in their Rolodex?

I listen to what used to be the international broadcasters from back in the days when they were on short-wave radio, and I've long found it amazing how when certain groups (Greenpeace, WWF, Friends of the Earth, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc.) put out a report, it would make those five-minute top of the hour news bulletins.

Locally, we've got a "civil rights" agitator woman who shows up on local TV for seemingly every race story, and of course the folks from the New York Government Interest Research Group to talk about how government corruption can only be solved by having more government.

[Suicidy]

Gloria Allred is a known democrat operative. She is also an extremely vile cunt.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Anyone who allows Gloria Allred to pretend to represent them instantly has zero credibility in my view.

She's a liar and a fraud and shame on the media for giving her any attention.

[(((Renegade)))]

Posted that before I could. She is a 100% sure fire indication of bullshit.

[(((Renegade)))]

And seriously, ENB should be ashamed of herself for giving this any (virtual) ink.

[Brochettaward]

I don't mind Reason mentioning it. Especially since I had never heard of Jessica Drake and I'll be filing the name away.

I'm more irritated with what Reason hasn't covered of late. Not even in AM/PM links. And there's no good excuse for it.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Spoiler: Allred co-stars.

[Rhywun]

It's going to be all over the MSM for the next two days so Reason might as well mention it too.

[John Titor]

We've been over this, O'Keefe has no credibility, Allred does. Because reasons.

[Suicidy]

Jessica Drake is one hot piece of ass.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Right, so this is just ENB posting mindless clickbait. Sad!

[grrizzly]

Kissing a porn star is a super important story.
Democrat operatives, who met with POTUS dozens of times, inciting violence at the rallies of the political opponent is a nothingburger.
Two and a half weeks left, reason, to keep pulling your candidate over the finish line.

[Suthenboy]

^This^

I could almost see not running a story about the Dems engaging in fascist tactics because of questionable sources if Reason applied that standard across the board, but this? Running with this and skipping the O'keefe videos?

You lost me. Fuck you. You are officially on my list of lying sacks of shit. This is the second 10year + commenter you have lost.

[Rhywun]

Before you go... who was the first?

[Atanarjuat]

sloppy, maybe?

And i just realized I've been here almost a decade myself.

[Atanarjuat]

sloopy. My phone did that. lol

And I'm not going anywhere, just realized I've been a Reason reader 1/3 of my life.

[Mr Lizard]

Fucking hell I've been here almost 10 years as well. True story I found this site while reading up on DUI law while going through that particular unpleasantness. However I did get found not guilty..I put it on all my resumes

[Playa Manhattan.]

"DUI - Not Guilty
also, indecent exposure - not guilty"

- LinkedIn

[Gray Ghost]

The commentariat is the only reason I keep coming back, to be honest.

If we're on the topic of the absent, whatever happened to Epi?

[Suthenboy]

Seriously Reason, fuck you. I can understand wrong, I cant understand or tolerate lying.

[PapayaSF]

Maybe I missed things, but Reason's coverage of Wikileaks and the O'Keefe videos has seemed to be deficient. (I know Wikileaks has gotten coverage, but not much.) OTOH, any little bit of news (or pseudo-news) that might harm Trump seems to show up here.

Apparently today in a speech, Trump promised to simplify the tax code, replace Obamacare with HSAs, and would only add a new regulation if two old ones were eliminated. Should sound pretty good to libertarians, but all I read around here is how terrible he is and completely indistinguishable from Hillary. "Hitler vs. Stalin" according to Sevo. Sheesh.

[CZmacure]

Apparently today in a speech, Trump promised

So... you're... taking his "promises" ... seriously... then?

[DJF]

Better then taking anything Allred claims seriously.

[Mr Lizard]

Well Trump's promises vs Hillary's threats is a pretty easy one for me.

*continues cleaning 40 watt plasma rifle*

[PapayaSF]

All we ever have from politicians running for office is promises. Duh. One promising good things is better than one promising bad things.

[CZmacure]

"Maybe I'm missing something here," Mr. Bush said in a debate with Democratic rival Al Gore. "I mean, are we going to have some kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."

[Bill]

Didn't he also say he would "fix the media" (not actual quotes) 🙂

I saw something that said he did, but have not read it yet.

[TommyInIdaho]

I presumed he meant spay and neuter them...

[Suicidy]

I think that all members of the media should be fixed. Spaying and neutering members of the media is everyone's responsibility.

[OGREtheTroll]

I'm in total agreement. Reason has been going steadily downhill ever since Balko left. In the last 12 months its nosedived. Occasionally they go in depth on something worth reading about. Everything else is either trash or can be obtained from much better writers elsewhere.

[UCrawford]

Have to agree. At this point, the only reason I'm here is for the commenters. I'm barely reading the articles anymore because the b.s. is that easy to detect and usually shows up in the first couple of paragraphs.

I used to plug Reason to friends. I won't be doing that anymore. Their coverage of this election has been thoroughly dishonest and slanted. I'm also not buying that most of these writers are voting for Gary Johnson...they barely cover Gary Johnson, they write a torrent of inconsequential b.s. about Trump (ignoring the red flags in the most accusatory stories), and have been ignoring anti-Clinton stories (specifically speaking about their almost complete lack of coverage of O'Keefe's videos).

This isn't a libertarian publication anymore...it's a false flag operation by liberal hacks.

[CZmacure]

the only reason I'm here is for the commenters

ISWYDT

But seriously, pretty much the only reason I've ever "been here" is for the comments. Polar opposite of most sites.

[UCrawford]

I find the commenters (with a few well-noted exceptions) to be the most challenging and interesting people I've seen on any message boards. We don't always agree, but the arguments are generally honest ones by people with intellectually honest arguments. And they have a low tolerance for bullshit, which I completely respect.

Wish I could say the same is true of the current Reason staff. It used to be true.

[PapayaSF]

I hope I'm not one of the exceptions!

[UCrawford]

Nope, Papaya, you're cool by me. I don't always agree with you, but I've always found you an honest commenter about your beliefs and sometimes I do agree with you.

I'd be referring to buttplug, amsoc, Tony, Hihn (caveat: more batshit crazy than dishonest), and the standard liberal trolls that the rest of the commenters usually pile on immediately. I've never grouped you anywhere near that. Can't speak for anyone else, of course. 🙂

[PapayaSF]

I wouldn't go that far. I just mourn the shift of emphasis I've seen over the years. Back in the Postrel days, there seemed to be more articles about doable, bite-sized, libertarian initiatives. These days, there seems to be a lot more of making common cause with SJWs (admittedly alternating with attacks on the latest SJW idiocy).

And the Trump hatred is rather surprising. Yes, I know all the ways in which he is not a libertarian. But he has some good aspects, and he should be clearly preferable to Hillary. And yet he gets more flak here than she does. It's as if the "free movement of people" principle (a.k.a. open borders) is the only important libertarian principle, and since Hillary wants the Third World to move here and Trump doesn't, well, too bad about the Supreme Court and Obamacare and regulations and the 2nd A., because they are no longer important. Reason seems willing to lose on all those points in order to keep the borders open.

[UCrawford]

One of those times I agree with everything you just said.

Although I don't think they're even that big on immigration. After all, Hillary voted for a wall ...several times. She's the most anti-libertarian candidate certainly in my lifetime. There's zero reason, as far as I can tell, for any libertarian to even consider voting for her because of the corruption, dishonesty, and hostility to free markets, individual freedom, and accountability. But here's Reason, most of the time acting as if Trump is the only candidate in the race and running against a libertarian ideal.

The long refusal to even acknowledge the O'Keefe videos really sealed it for me. Where's the libertarian argument to be made for not reporting on Democrats and campaign workers openly discussing rigging an election and committing mass voter fraud? It's indefensible for anyone who believes in holding government to account for their abuses.

[UCrawford]

Five years ago, Robby Soave would have been lucky to land an internship here and would barely get a word printed. Now he's a featured writer and his stuff is mostly badly written pseudo-outrage garbage plugging liberal hysterias like "rape culture" and offensiveness on college campuses. Five years ago, this magazine would have criticized Trump, but the criticisms would be leavened with actually looking at proposals like he put out today instead of focusing on the unsubstantiated claims of a porn actress represented by a celebrity ambulance chaser.

[Ayn Random Variation]

Lol at the 3 year old tweet. This is some hard hitting journalism.

[Suthenboy]

I was raised on a farm. I learned to recognize bullshit at an early age.

Tipoffs: Gloria Allred and Trump grabbing a pussy.

[Playa Manhattan.]

So lawyer Gloria Allred is representing Jessica Drake? As a lawyer? I would love to see the retainer agreement, seeing as how nobody has signed one with her in the last decade.

[(((Renegade)))]

Isn't she on the disbarment path?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Actually, no. Because she doesn't represent people as a lawyer. She makes it very clear to her "clients".

[Suthenboy]

I would bet hard cash that Clinton's campaign is paying Allred.

[(((Renegade)))]

The only thing Allred demands is TV cameras.

[Suicidy]

I would bet cold hard cash that she is on retainer for the DNC, or at least some captive democrat organization.

[BigT]

Allred services Soros?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I think every media outlet uncritically makes that assumption.

[The Fusionist]

Here's a non-Euclidian monstrosity to scare Depetologist himself.

I just heard this song while I was being compelled to listen to Prairie Home Companion in the car (I guess they replaced Keillor). They brought on the song's author to perform it.

Apparently it's popular in New York City, where they're still recovering from the multiple smug-gasms the song gave them.

[Rhywun]

Apparently it's popular in New York City

Heh, the NY Theater Workshop (whatever that is) doesn't represent all of the 8.5 million of us, yet.

[GILMORE?]

That's a really deep-voiced woman.

[John Titor]

Clone High did it better.

And like ten years ago.

[OneOut]

Did Allread mention how Clinton's tax plan would affect the national debt after factoring in her vote buying freebees ?

No ? They din't talk about that ?

I though for sure they would.

[OneOut]

Did Allread mention how Clinton's tax plan would affect the national debt after factoring in her vote buying freebees ?

No ? They din't talk about that ?

I though for sure they would.

[GILMORE?]

I always believe whatever Gloria Allred's clients allege.

[Playa Manhattan.]

*Clients

PR clients. She's not acting in the capacity of an attorney.

[GILMORE?]

The story ENB linked to cites her as "victims' rights advocate", which i presume is her role as "Press Conference Strategist", or whatever it is she does.

Is it misleading for journos to claim/suggest she's the lawyer in the case? meh. who cares.

this is notable

In 1985, Allred, along with Catharine MacKinnon, drafted a version of the Antipornography Civil Rights Ordinance for Los Angeles County....

It proposed to treat pornography as a violation of women's civil rights and to allow women harmed by pornography to seek damages through lawsuits in civil courts. The approach was distinguished from traditional obscenity law, which attempts to suppress pornography through the use of prior restraint and criminal penalties.

The ordinances were originally written in 1983 by Andrea Dworkin and Catharine MacKinnon, and supported by many (but not all) of their fellow members of the feminist anti-pornography movement. Versions of the ordinance were passed in several cities in the United States during the 1980s, but were blocked by city officials and struck down by courts, who found it to violate the freedom of speech protections of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Defender of 'Women's Rights' indeed.

[Crusty Juggler]

Yes, she was an anti-porn crusader, but she also finagled some money out of Tiger Woods for one of his mistresses', who is an awful person. Also, fun fact: Gloria's daughter is Lisa Bloom, a television legal analyst.

[GILMORE?]

Yes, she was an anti-porn crusader, but

i don't really grok how what came after the "but" related to the anti-porn-crusading.

re: Bloom ... She looks like Allred with a blonde wig. they dont even look like there's that significant an age-difference.

Here's a example picture, with a stylish dude who looks like a male-avatar of Allred's slimy-lawyer persona

[MarkLastname]

See, here's what I'll never get. Anyone who associates willingly and collaborates with the likes of Dworkin and MacKinnon should be outcasts. Those two women were among the most prolific bigots of the twentieth century. They hated half the human population. I mean, am I wrong? What am I missing? I thought even among feminists Dworkin and McKinnon were regarded the way republicans regarded David Duke. If someone co-authored, say, segregationist laws in the 1980s with David Duke, that would be mentioned every time that person's name came up. It would be an everlasting stain on their record.

So why not for Allred? People talk about Trump and and the alt-right and the mainstreaming of the fringe, but here we have a woman who would gladly make it illegal to be a heterosexual man being treated like a hero at best, and a mildly controversial activist at worst.

[PapayaSF]

Dworkin was a severely psychologically-damaged woman who was essentially insane. (Not uncommon among the radical feminists of the day.) Amazingly, later in life she was married for a while. I've never been able to grasp how that could have possibly happened.

[MarkLastname]

It's not that hard to understand when you look at the guy she married, John Stoltenberg. He is, quite literally, the caricature of the self-hating man. He probably has bigger psychological issues than Dworkin did. Stoltenberg (not joking here) seriously argued that erections are sexist and men should avoid getting them at all. Not ven merely anti-sex, but anti-boner.

He is also opposed to homosexuality (and in fact male-male relationships in general) on the basis that the only thing men can bond over is their shared interest in the oppression of women, ergo such bonding should be banished.

So yeah, I could see Dworkin finding her match in him. I don't mind that lunatics can publish books (and there is not one iota of hyperbole in declaring this guy a lunatic); but that fact that gender studies departments still routinely take his writings seriously is pretty disturbing. No one who has anything but pity and contempt for people like that should ever be permitted to teach young people. It's a recipe for the cultivation of self-hatred and neurosis in their students. Sad thing is, I'm willing to bet some future teachers are made to read this shit in pedagogy school.

[PapayaSF]

Well, if a guy is anti-boner, being married to Andrea Dworkin would certainly help him towards his goal.

I knew the guy must have been crazy, but I couldn't imagine the details. Thanks. So, what did they do as a couple? Talk about oppression every evening, before retiring to separate beds?

[MarkLastname]

I try not to think about it, but who knows, maybe they were into pegging.

And when they went to their separate beds, John likely had a ceiling fan turned on hovering just above his crotch to deal with any surprise erection that might arise and threaten the safety of the world's women.

[I see wood chippers]

"What do you want? How much?" Trump allegedly said before offering her $10,000, which she rejected.

She turned down a job offer? No wonder women make 16 cents on the dollar compared to men.

[SimonD]

Well, to be fair, it looks like she's found a gig that's more disreputable than porn actress (or prostitute).

Gloria Allred's latest lefty sock puppet.

[Libertarian]

"The sunlight claps the earth, and the moonbeams kiss the sea: what are all these kissings worth, if thou kiss not me?"
? Percy Bysshe Shelley

[Chipper Morning Wood]

At least Trump didn't drive any women to suicide.

[Playa Manhattan.]

"Once there, Trump allegedly grabbed each of them tightly and kissed them. "

By the pussy?

[Libertarian]

By its motherfuckin leg.

[Cy]

A pornstar being offered money for sex... is news?

[AlexInCT]

^^^^THIS^^^^

[DenverJ]

"We've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price."

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I think you are confusing porn stars and hookers. Hookers have sex for money. Porn stars have sex and get paid for someone to be allowed to record it. I know it seems like I am nitpicking, but they are two very different things, as we can tell by the fact that one is a crime and the other is perfectly legal.

[Atanarjuat]

And most porn stars hook on the side, with the price reflecting their level of notoriety, hence the offer of 10 bands.

[PapayaSF]

How many other crimes stop being a crime if you film them?

[Libertarian]

Trump should have picked Bill Cosby for his VP. He'd look GREAT in comparison. Plus the blacks.

[Rhywun]

From the link about Trump's anti-porn pledge:

The anti-porn commitment means he promises to "uphold the rule of law by aggressively enforc[ing] existing federal laws to prevent the sexual exploitation of children online, including the federal obscenity laws, child pornography laws, sexual predation laws and the sex trafficking laws."

Other than the nebulous "sex trafficking" bit, I'm not seeing what's so objectionable.

Are we supposed to believe that Trump gets handsy with children? I mean, the obviously implication is that he's being hypocritical.

[Possible Bot]

Your not supposed to click the link, you're supposed to believe that he's banning porn because the author wants you to believe a lie.

[Jgalt1975]

You're in favor of current federal obscenity laws? That pretty clearly makes you an outlier at Reason.

[Ecoli]

Democrats mailed some white powder to themselves. It turns out it was just some talcum powder that Trump used to dust his balls with. Nothing dangerous.

[Crusty Juggler]

Kissing the 2001 AVN Award winner for "Best Tease Performance" without her consent and then offering her money for sex is exactly like posing for bulge pictures with your baby and then sending those photos to a 15-year-old.

[DenverJ]

Is that what Anthony Wiener di? Wow, what a creep.

[Crusty Juggler]

I think I was wrong. He sent the baby and bulge photo to another woman; the 15-year-old sexting was a separate event. "I'd bust that tight pussy." Our next president's most trusted advisor would never voluntarily spend time with a man like that, no way.

[GILMORE?]

I didn't know what a "bulge picture" was until now.

I could only think of this scene from Spinal Tap

[Chipper Morning Wood]

My favorite bulge pic.

[Crusty Juggler]

"Nuts."

[Ted S.]

N?sse.

And no, I shouldn't have to type more just to get the above through.

[Lord Rollingpin]

'At the press conference, Allred stressed that Drake's profession as a porn actress and director was irrelevant here.'
LOL

[Pompey]

Victim shaming!

[Lord Rollingpin]

But well done to Reason for posting at the weekend, even if it is the latest DNC talking point.

[DJF]

Maybe Soros out bid the Koch brothers for control of Reason Magazine and they now get bonuses for every anti-Trump article they post. It probably overtime money for posting on a weekend.

[Possible Bot]

This has been a good election not busting the myth that women never lie about sexual assault. A half dozen women suddenly remembering they were assaulted 10 years ago is only credible to idiots (and apparently reason staff).

The Republicans have to think all the accusations are false, and the Democrats thing the Clinton ones are. As currency fake rape is crashing.

[Brochettaward]

I haven't kept up with all the moronic claims, but the first few don't qualify as sexual assault no matter how generous your definition of it is.

That's what's funny. The outlets that break the stories don't call them sexual assaults. They just let everyone else characterize it that way.

[John Titor]

I said it before on here, but the most disgusting part of this election is how it's absorbed sexual assault into the partisanship game.

[Possible Bot]

Yes, it really has become a tool of political use. The use of accusations as weapons as laws currently allow was probably unsustainable but I think the obvious overuse for political partisanship will hasten its demise.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Dubious sexual activity is rampant in politics and we're supposed to suddenly shocked by these allegations?

Shit, do YOU PEOPLE READ ROMAN HISTORY?

You're some kind of special if you don't think it happens. There was an Italian movie about Andreotti (true story: I met his personal chef...flaming! Anyway...) called 'Il Divo that touched on the tawdriness and unsavory reality of politics.

Highly recommended for film buffs about a rather interesting figure in modern Italian politics.

[Rufus The Monocled]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Divo_(film)

[Ted S.]

When a problem comes along, you must whip it.

(Do you chain it and ball-gag it, too?)

[Possible Bot]

The republicans have to believe half a dozen women are lying about sexual assault, and democrats have to do the same.

If fake rape and assault accusations were currency they would be crashing. Certainly only idiots (and apparently reason staff) would believe all these women just remembered they were assaulted ten years ago.

[Rhywun]

Since I'm not seeing any laws having been broken (otherwise, why isn't he on trial?), it really just boils down to character assassination. Trump should have responded to her accusations by asking her why she constantly tells "the help" to go fuck off.

[Crusty Juggler]

If he did everything this woman said he did its just more evidence that he is sleazy, which we already knew, so I don't understand why this is interesting.

[thrakkorzog]

Yeah, I don't even see any rape allegations here. The story is that some porn stars went up to Donald Trump's hotel room, and Donald figured he might have a shot at banging a porn star. What did they expect was going to happen, a discussion on Cartesian Dualism?

He's a bit of a boor, but he didn't exactly grab anybody by the pussy.

[eldrick]

this has got to be costing the dems a ton of money for all these women to all of a sudden remember bad donny trump doing bad things-these women just prove what moneys grabers they really are

[AlexInCT]

It never costs the dems anything. By design tax payers or super rich interests pay for anything dems do.

[AlmightyJB]

Lol

[Atanarjuat]

This guy gets it.

[SIV]

I bet Trump said some unlibertarian things in his Gettysburg Address today. Seems like that would be more Reason
-newsworthy than Gloria Allred to pimping out some washed up hooker the Kkklinton campaign dredged up.

Christ, the link goes to some Dem-operative psychologist's twitter feed.

Meanwhile the Log Cabin Republicans acknowledge that Trump is the most pro-LGBT presidential candidate the GOP ever nominated but refuse to endorse him.

[That's A Bingo!]

Did Democrats go hunting for someone about whom Trump wouldn't say, "Me harass her? Just look at her!"?

[DenverJ]

Bingo

[thrakkorzog]

In other news Jenna Jameson claims that she has met Donald Trump multiple times, and he's always acted like a perfect gentleman to her. Checkmate.

[Ken Shultz]

"According to Drake, she and the other women were invited by Trump back to his Lake Tahoe hotel suite "

Donald Trump may have invited a porn-star to his hotel suite, but for all we know, he may have just wanted to discuss the finer points of landscape architecture. Maybe it was these women who were being presumptuous! All we have now is a he said/she said.

Did any of these porn stars accuse Donald Trump of accepting money from foreign governments while he was the Secretary of State?

It'll take more than a rising tide of porn-star, kissing allegations to make me vote for Hillary Clinton, and the more horseshit like this I see, the more likely I am to pinch my nose and vote for Trump.

"Drake's accusations add to the growing chorus of women from Trump's past now accusing him of kissing, grabbing, and groping them against their will.

Somebody should dig through the archives and find stories on the McMartin preschool fiasco.

[SIV]

Ask Playa

HE WAS THERE

Knows all the rules to "Naked Movie Star"

[Rufus The Monocled]

Seriously? A tweet by Trump in 2013 about Weiner is supposed to prove what exactly?

Weiner is a horribly perverted creepy scumbag with a problem got sending dick pics and cheating on his wife. Is that supposed to seriously attempt to equate whatever is being alleged to Trump with Weiner?

Also, hello. Seems to me classic case of cui bono? Where were all these people in the past? It's not like he wasn't in the public eye and as such was an easy target.

It would be nice if someone did some extensive digging. I don't trust any of this and it's not passing the stink test.

[Rufus The Monocled]

'who got caught sending'.

And I might add one was taken next to his child.

[Ken Shultz]

Taking what people say more seriously than what people do has become a hallmark of progressives.

Just like the progressives went apeshit over Trump saying he would bomb the hell out of ISIS despite civilian casualties--but progressives have nothing to say about Obama actually bombing ISIS despite killing hundreds of innocent children.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/ category/projects/drones/drones-graphs/

[Rufus The Monocled]

Masters of do as I say, not as I do.

You're claiming Elizabeth is a progressive?

[Ken Shultz]

I don't know.

If a libertarian acts like a progressive in some way, then that's what they do.

And progressives are much more concerned about what people say than what they do. Support racist policies like the Drug War, and they won't bat an eye. Say something racist, and they'll make you sell your basketball team.

I don't know that ENB has blasted Trump for saying he'd bomb ISIS despite the civilians or that she's held back on criticizing Obama killing innocent children with drone strikes, but to the extent that we overreact to what people say and practically ignore what people do, if the progressive shoe fits, wear it.

There's very little that a porn star says about what happened after she followed him up to his hotel room that gets more than a ho hum reaction from me. If somebody's got some evidence that he sexually assaulted her, then I'll take a look at it. But it better be evidence of something that Trump has actually done rather than a regurgitation of something Trump said.

This sounds like a script regurgitated from Trump's pussy-gate tape:

"Drake accused the Republican presidential nominee of "uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement, and being a sexual assault apologist," and claimed he kissed her and two other women without their consent".

If I'm on the jury, and you want to win by a preponderance of the evidence, you're gonna need more evidence than that.

[DenverJ]

I think she's the queen of England

[creech]

Has Trump taken on Obama/Clinton on this issue or not? Has he fought back to say Obama/Clinton have not renounced the used of nuclear weapons? No, he spends another day telling about how he is going to sue these bimbos when the campaign is over. Clinton is so fortunate in her choice of enemies and the
Stupid Party is only confirming what most libertarians here have been saying since, what, 1992?

[Ken Shultz]

Trump only speaks for the Republican Party insofar as they're opposed to Hillary being the President.

[Ken Shultz]

"Several hundred children were then interviewed by the Children's Institute International (CII), a Los Angeles abuse therapy clinic run by Kee MacFarlane . . . . By spring of 1984, it was claimed that 360 children had been abused."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ McMartin_preschool_trial #Bizarre_allegations

It was all horseshit.

[Carl_b]

Trump also tried to kiss Pence without his consent. This guy is out of control.

[Ken Shultz]

Meanwhile, nobody wants to talk about the time Hillary groped me back in the '90s.

[AlmightyJB]

Funny how you're just now coming forward a few weeks before the election. It's almost like you don't care at all about your credibility or the fact that you just look like a GOP hack. If you're not lying then you must have had no moral qualms about allowing Hillary to go on freely raping other Reason commenters unchecked, but you're happy to expoit the situation for political reasons. That's quite whorish of you sir.

[Ken Shultz]

Well if you're gonna believe these women, why don't you believe me?

Don't all victims deserve to be taken seriously?

[AlmightyJB]

Um. You're a man so of course you're lying. You can never question a woman's word because women are beyond reproach. Plus abortion.

[Ken Shultz]

Would it make any difference if I were a tranny?

[AlmightyJB]

Well if Hillary tried to grope you then you would have to be.

[Ken Shultz]

Hillary groped me in the '90s, and my life has never been the same.

[Libertarian]

Is "back in the '90s" a certain place on an anatomically-correct doll, or just more slang that I'm not understanding?

[Ken Shultz]

1990s.

1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999.

The '90s.

[AlmightyJB]

Thank God the oughts ended that nightmarish decade.

[westernsloper]

I'm going out on a limb and saying ENB is trolling. This is redonculous as newsworthy. Who hasn't asked a porn star to come to their hotel room?

[Rufus The Monocled]

You're an idiot if you don't try if you're into that sort of thing.

Personally, nah.

[westernsloper]

I was being theoretical. Is that a word? I have never met a porn star.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I came close to a couple when I was invited to an F1 cocktail with Eddie Jordan.

Wasn't impressed with them nor with Jordan and the whole F1 Euro-trash scene.

The guy literally said three words and escaped to a limo.

Useless.

[westernsloper]

Euro trash is still trash Mr Rufus

[GILMORE?]

I'm going out on a limb and saying ENB is trolling.

I've come to understand the term "trolling" (when used re: Reason writers) to mean, "Exactly as retarded as they appear to be"...

...and not "slyly winking/nudge-nudging their audience... with some subtle, under-stated message".. as people seem to intend it.

This is just because of the way its been used re: Robby.

I concede = his links are that, no doubt. and its actually amusing. But not his M.O. re: everything else.

[westernsloper]

Perhaps

I would hope in this case it is not in fact that the said author actually gives credence to such horse shit because said author despises said accused kisser. Hell, we all despise said accused kisser, but some of us don't have our supposed heads up our supposed asses, or if we do, not beyond the eyebrows.

[lap83]

This is just because of the way its been used re: Robby.

I concede = his links are that, no doubt. and its actually amusing. But not his M.O. re: everything else.

How dare you! Robby is always exactly as amusing as he intends to be. Also, his links are never late, they arrive precisely when he means them to. He's like a wizard with great hair.

[Whatever Farm Animal Of War]

Either she is trolling, or she is trying to drive traffic to her employer's website.

It always amazes me that people complain about stupid Trump articles, proceed to fill the comment sections of said articles with hundreds of comments (which drive yet more traffic to the site), and then accuse the writers of being stupid, or hacks, or credulous, or in the bag for Hillary.

Talk about not understanding basic economic activity. They want page views. Stupid Trump articles get page views.

It really is that simple.

[AlmightyJB]

Presidential poetry slam, with flies.

http://hotair.com/archives/201.....etry-slam/

[Libertarian]

Ha! I almost posted that here an hour ago. I love me some bad lipreading but that fly thing was spooky as hell.

[westernsloper]

I was chuckling until I saw the flys. I thought I was infested. Very creepy. Truth to fiction. I assume she is stinky. like dead fish and Huma saliva.

[MarkLastname]

The BLR debate video was great too.

[John Titor]

Holy shit, I found Domestic Dissident.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Heh.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

And I found another commenter, albeit in blackface.

[DenverJ]

Video of Parisian neighborhood overrun by immigrants: link

[DenverJ]

Not convinced it's real

[Sevo]

For a minute, it looked like they were shooting the SF bum-towns, but there were too many black guys.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Please. Let's not pretend parts of Paris don't look like that after their traditional bi-monthly gr?ve.

Because something something WTO.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Link to ENB?

[Heroic Mulatto]

I don't even remember what I was trying to link to.

[CZmacure]

Tent cities look like San Francisco... I guess this is what they mean when they say that San Francisco is America's most "European" city?

[CZmacure]

The police have given up trying to control these areas

Are they the same "No-Go-Zones" that Daniel Pipes, the original source, has now disoavowed?

[Rufus The Monocled]

My cousins live in Paris. It's pretty bad.

Three of my clients are from France. It's pretty bad.

[Rhywun]

Nice music. I've heard that somewhere before.

[Ken Shultz]

Incidentally, porn start are prostitutes, right?

If a prostitute is someone who has sex for money, porn starts are prostitutes.

Oh, or maybe ENB's preferred term is "sex workers".

LOL

Porn stars are definitely sex workers.

Think of it this way: If Trump had offered to pay her to have sex with him on camera, would that have somehow made it NOT prostitution?

[AlmightyJB]

Nobody wants to see the Trump Tower.

[DenverJ]

Like I posted up thread: "We've already established what you are, now we're just haggling over the price."

[AlmightyJB]

She has sex for money but turned down $10K.

[Ken Shultz]

I don't what this lady does in her videos, but if there's a bukkake fest in there anywhere, and she turns around and claims damages against Trump for kissing her, then the preponderance of the evidence is definitely slanted against her.

"Drake accused the Republican presidential nominee of "uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement, and being a sexual assault apologist"

If she says this in front of the jury and she's done a bukkake video, and I were the defense attorney, I'd play it for the jury and laugh in her face.

[Lord Rollingpin]

'...and laugh in her face.'
I don't think that's how bukkake works 🙂

[Hyperion]

Look dude, she's an artist. Get your dirty mind out of the gutter!

[Ken Shultz]

Just for the record, a quick google search suggests that Drake did at least one bukkake video and appears to have done a number of gang bang videos.

Meanwhile, . . . ahem . . .

"Drake accused the Republican presidential nominee of "uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement, and being a sexual assault apologist"

LOL

[Hyperion]

She's an artist, you big meanie! *runs sobbing from room*

[Sevo]

This week, there was a thread on Kamala Harris' attempt to charge a web-company CEO with pimping.
The last comment was from what seemed to be a 'sex worker' who reported that Harris had addressed a gathering and declared herself an 'honorary prostitute'.
The commenter went on to point out that Harris wasn't 'honorary'; she'd fucked her way into politics as Willie Brown's main squeeze until she tired of it; Willie doesn't talk about here anymore, sort of like if you ask about Jim Jones, he just noticed someone he needs to speak with over there...

[Ken Shultz]

Just when you thought you couldn't despise them any more than you already do, they give you a choice between two Democrats on the ballot.

It's like having an amplifier with a dial that goes to 11.

[Sevo]

"California soldiers ordered to repay enlistment bonuses"
[...]
"Nearly 10,000 California National Guard soldiers have been ordered to repay huge enlistment bonuses a decade after signing up to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, a newspaper reported Saturday.
The Pentagon demanded the money back after audits revealed overpayments by the California Guard under pressure to fill ranks and hit enlistment goals. If soldiers refuse, they could face interest charges, wage garnishments and tax liens, the Los Angeles Times said."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....128473.php

Having a hard time with this. If they were improperly handed out, that doesn't seem to make the party who accepted them in good faith liable for the return.
If auditors for my employer(s) had ever asked for the return of my bonuses ('cause the boss screwed up), I'd be more than happy to walk them down the hall and introduce them the the guy who signed the bonus check.

[GILMORE?]

If they were improperly handed out, that doesn't seem to make the party who accepted them in good faith liable for the return.

I'm sure Obama will realize that and issue a Fatwa or something preventing the IRS from being total dicks.

[Sevo]

I just got in and caught the Jack acrobatics re: Gitmo: 'He CAN'T do anything! Those darn rethugs won't let him! (link [to something that doesn't apply]).
So, no, Obo won't do anything...

[Hyperion]

I just automatically believe everything this woman says.

"Drake also said Trump offered to pay her for sex"

How dare him! She's not the type of woman who has sex for money, while other people watch! ... oh wait...

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Look, she said "cacao" several times.

[Cyto]

Look, all you LINO's, I'll make it really simple for you.

Helping your husband cover for rape (that's rape-rape), sexual assault and adultery with a powerless young subordinate by having surrogates trash their reputations using all the power that control over the media can muster - that's a private matter.

Allegedly maybe propositioning someone in a crass way and maybe, possibly trying to kiss someone who says no and then taking no for an answer - unforgivable misogyny.

Every libertarian knows this. WTF? This shit ain't new, people. Everyone knows you need a cover sheet on your TPS report!

Making a pass at some random model 13 years ago is way more important than accepting hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes from foreign governments and multinational corporations with business before your office. Everyone knows that!

Now where's that TPS cover sheet?

[Sevo]

She will get elected, and since Trump can't seem to quit digging that hole he's in, it'll be a 'landslide', with all the supposed power that goes with it.
The media bias is obvious to far more than it had been, but the evil party and the stupid party have both well earned their titles this year.

[Possible Bot]

What are the holes he's digging himself into? Damn near everything I've heard the last 3 months has been entirely invented like this article and has nothing to do with policies or anything he's said or done in real life.

[RBS]

Jessica Drake? That's a name I haven't typed into lobstertube in several years.

[Hyperion]

It's just lobsters and hamsters all the way down.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Looks like global warming has done it again.

CUBS (likely) IN THE WORLD SERIES.

[AlmightyJB]

Maybe Drake is trolling the media?

[Atanarjuat]

Or wisely capitalizing (via the clicks of horny men) on the Lewinsky Effect.

[Sevo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xBxZGQ1dJk
Have a friend who is a LOOONG time cubs fan...

[Sevo]

Ooops.
Meant as reply to Rufus.

[Rufus The Monocled]

That was lovely.

[Sevo]

'Years, and years. And years and years and years and year and years...'

[KevinP]

Gloria Allred is a dirtbag lawyer.

[Warty]

Only the best poon
Outrage, outrage at outrage
Burn the fucking ships

[Pompey]

On the front lines of progressive neopuriatanism: porn edition

10:41:13

REHM: An awful lot of our callers are asking us to talk about the influence of pornography. Its availability, its widespread usage, not only for grown men, but for young people as well. Soraya, what's happening?

10:41:36

CHEMALY: So, I think that there is this pervasive accessibility of pornography in a way that is qualitatively different than what may have happened 25 or 30 years ago. Pornography was the engine of the internet's growth. And we don't provide children at any stage with information about how to think about these issues, how to process these images. And they have access to them. And so when we talk about sexual objectification, and I'm so grateful to Joe for bringing that up, because that is the crux of what's happening in pornography.

So other than being complete wet blankets, I want to know how half of these radio show guest get funding and make a living...who pays for this bullshit?

[Sevo]

"...And we don't provide children at any stage with information about how to think about these issues, how to process these images...."

Who is "we"?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Considering she's talking about teaching children how to appreciate pornographic images, by "we," I assume she means "pedophiles."

[Sevo]

Un-intended consequnces?
Perhaps she needs to explain what images she wishes to use and how she'd 'explain' them, ya think?

[GILMORE?]

"They" seem to be pretty 'ahead of the curve' as far as i can tell.

My 12 yr old niece has never so much as visited a porn-website, and yet she's learned in school about sex-acts I only discovered via-Japanese-cartoon-representation

[Heroic Mulatto]

My 12 yr old niece has never so much as visited a porn-website, and yet she's learned in school about sex-acts I only discovered via-Japanese-cartoon-representation

Thanks, Obama!

[John Titor]

I would more likely blame certain educators who are perverting our impressionable youth with internet memes and booty videos.

[GILMORE?]

Hey, I'm not judging, i'm just confused what to make of that fact combined with the data that shows that Teh Yoot aren't really as promiscuous as our lesser-formally-indocrinated (*and less-having-access to a bottomless pit of portable porn) generations

[Heroic Mulatto]

I think it may be like why there's so little to none binge drinking at university culture in continental Europe. When you grow up with table wine, yadda yadda yadda...

[GILMORE?]

"Familiarity breeds* contempt?"

*(probably not the best word)

[Pompey]

I think you're right. There's pretty much no other way to interpret that word salad. She's a Butterfly Kisses/NAMBLA sympathiser!

[Pompey]

Obviously it takes a village. And more tax appropriations.

[GILMORE?]

And we don't provide children at any stage with information about how to think

I'm pretty sure thats all you try and do.

[John Titor]

I think "projecting your sexual insecurities onto your children at a young age" is pretty high on the list of "Ways to Fuck Your Children Up."

[John Titor]

Imagine what social justice porn would look like.

"Do you consent to receiving oral sex?"

"I do consent to receive oral sex, however I remind you that I may withdraw that consent at any time in the near future."

[Rufus The Monocled]

But what happens with the facial cum shots? I mean, you have seconds to consent!

[Pompey]

Wouldn't it involve a lot of time spent crying in bathtubs and lots of time spent on tumblr?

[John Titor]

Wouldn't it involve a lot of time spent crying in bathtubs

Hey. Don't knock my fetish.

[Pompey]

You, uh, work cheetos into the mix at all? I'm asking for a friend.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Why do you think his nipples are so orange?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Also lots of mattress carrying.

[Pompey]

That link was a hot mess. Will this work?

[thrakkorzog]

Listeners like you?

[straffinrun]

Finish him!

[Pompey]

Babality

[DenverJ]

So, while Trump is trying to bed porn stars, real shit in the real world is really happening:
The president of the Philippines is denouncing America and embracing China.
"Obama's foreign policy is making the world safer for people who despise and trample on the very values that Obama hoped his presidency would advance. His lack of strategic insight and his inability to grasp the dynamics of world power politics have opened the door to a new generation of authoritarian figures in alliance with hostile great powers. Unintentionally, and with the best of intentions, he has opened the doors to the demons of Hell, and the darkest forces in the human spirit have much greater scope and much more power today than they did when he took the oath of office back in 2009."
Link

[Sevo]

Uh, the PI prez is a nut-job. Obo owns a lot, but not that.
Oh, and according to an article this morning, the guy's walking it back so fast, he's in danger of falling over.

[Sevo]

Here:
"Philippines' Duterte called for a 'separation' from U.S. He is now backtracking."
[...]
"That was quick.
On Thursday night in Beijing, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte called for a military and economic "separation" from the United States. From now on, he told a crowd, it's the Philippines, Russia and China "against the world."
Or not. On Friday, he was already giving his message a makeover. He said he was talking only about "separation of foreign policy" and not a full-scale snub of the country's longtime allies in Washington."
{Wa Po doesn't shorten the link; search "PI pres walk-back"; you'll get a ton)

[SimonD]

maybe he realized that the Chinese are very good at sharing power.

[SimonD]

oops. AREN'T very good.

My fingers are half asleep tonight.

[Sevo]

"maybe he realized that the Chinese are[n't] very good at sharing power."

So India is a mess, and has been a mess for many years. I'm not sure that India should be "India" rather than several states (ditto with China, but neither of them are my problem)
Regardless, during WWII, Mahatmas Gandhi proposed to oust the Brits, and accept the Japs 'non-violently'.
Like the PI Prez, we was shortly disabused of his fantasies and walked THAT back in a hurry.
I recall reading a story regarding the wealthy supporters of the India National Congress; they made the claim it cost a LOT of money to keep Gandhi in poverty. Not sure he bought his own shtick.

[DenverJ]

Cool. That's better. The Philippines have been an "ally" since we took their ass over from Spain, waaay back Spanish/American war. But, I seem to recall that they've had a few crazy leaders. Their was one dude whose wife had, like, millions of dollars worth of shoes, or something.
Also, don't they still have a few communist rebels wandering around?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Not to mention a violent Islamist insurgency known as the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF)

[DenverJ]

Oh yeah, I hadn't forgotten that little gem of Philippine Realpolitik.

[thrakkorzog]

Fucking Philipino MILFs. Way to give the rest of the MILFs out there a bad name.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Fucking Philipino MILFs.

I think I've seen number 23 of that film series.

[thrakkorzog]

Admit it, you were hitting F5 to make that joke.

Why must I always say straight lines?.

[Gray Ghost]

Were the Huks part of them, or some other PI insurgency entirely?

[Sevo]

"But, I seem to recall that they've had a few crazy leaders. Their was one dude whose wife had, like, millions of dollars worth of shoes, or something."

That was Marcos.
OK, HM, let's hear from you.
I do not recall one PI "leader" of whatever office who was not a corrupt whacko. Am I missing one? Or more?

[Heroic Mulatto]

It's pretty much corrupt turtles all the way down.

[Whahappan?]

Ramos wasn't too bad.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

The Philippines may have been an "ally," but many people still remember this.

[GILMORE?]

many people still remember this.

Yes, but don't worry, we're just about...almost.... nearly done killing all of them.

The Philippines will review its policy of allowing American forces to combat terrorist groups in Mindanao, Duterte said Monday in a speech in Manila. As many as 1,300 U.S. special forces troops have been present on the island since 2002.

"These special forces, they have to go," Duterte said. "They have to, in Mindanao -- there are many white men there."

Seriously, man? we get it, OK, maybe we've overstayed our welcome just a tad.... but did you have to bring up the 'white' thing? I mean, come on.

[Rhywun]

Yeah, usually the evil Other is "The West". Sounds like another speech meant for local consumption,

[Rhywun]

Someone pointed out earlier that his message was more for China than the US. As in, palling up with them in hopes that China will let them have some oil after they conquer the whole region's seas.

[AlmightyJB]

Interesting article on the ATT/TW deal.

http://hotair.com/archives/201.....quisition/

[GILMORE?]

the ATT/TW deal.

Not sure why, but i assumed that meant this

[straffinrun]

Sweep the leg! You have a problem with that?

[Pompey]

Up up down down left right left right B A

*select*

[straffinrun]

Guile?

[Pompey]

Raul Julia AND Jean-Claude Van Damme in the same film? Where can I find such cinematic splendor???

[CZmacure]

Cinemageddon?

[straffinrun]

I can feel your anger. Strike him down!

[Butts Wagner]

Super predator Richard Dawson is laughing from his position as host of The Running Man.

[AlmightyJB]

Probation officers gets sex favors from female paroles who failed urine test

http://nbc4i.com/2016/10/22/fo.....bationers/

[MarkLastname]

The system works!

[american socialist]

But Hillary Clinton's husband slept with his intern and Hillary said some mean things about said intern. That's relevant. You Trumpsters are amazing.

Mr. Crusher, Trump Factor 8.5. Engage.

[CZmacure]

Why should we believe these unsupported, single source accusations of misconduct, but not those against Bill Clinton?

I fucking hate Donald Trump, for the record. I watched a season or so of The Apprentice and that was more than enough to see what a boorish asshole he is.

[straffinrun]

You don't get it. Mobs are fine if it they attack a person you dislike. Amirite, AmSoc?

[John Titor]

2/10 on the "Stupid Shit Amsoc Says" scale, not enough apologia for mass murder.

[Pompey]

Yeah. All I read this as was "ching chang chong." I don't have my racist seer stones handy.

[DenverJ]

Yeah, a middle aged man with the most powerful position in the world, engaging in the seduction of a much less powerful woman, young enough to be his daughter, would never get heat from the left if he was a Republican.
And, it's totally the same as offering a porn star money to sleep with you.
Dude, she's a whore. She has sex for money. That's her job. And Trump offered her money to have sex with him (allegedly). What, exactly, should anybody be upset about?

[Sevo]

"Mr. Crusher, Trump Factor 8.5. Engage."

Obscure pop-culture reference factor 10. Imbecility level 10.
Fuck off, twit.

[MarkLastname]

Didn't he rape a couple women? Or are you not a 'listen and believe' guy anymore? Make up your mind,

[AlmightyJB]

Energizor Bunny

http://www.foxnews.com/politic.....bunny.html

[straffinrun]

Do it. Make your dreams come true.

[american socialist]

"Why should we believe these unsupported, single source accusations of misconduct, but not those against Bill Clinton?"

You mean the eleven of them?

I might believe Bill Clinton is a cad-- although there is no evidence that he assaulted anyone-- but he isn't running for President so who fucking cares?

[Pompey]

(((o))) ~~~~~~

poot!

[american socialist]

Trumpsters on this website are shameless. Not in a "Honey, you are SHAMELESS! Gay house drag queen way" but in a way the word described before it was coopted by RuPaul.

[Pompey]

Transphobe!

[Rhywun]

Very few drag queens are "trans" - assuming the common interpretation of "transsexual" - FYI. I've watched a few seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race and of the dozens of drag queens over the years exactly one announced she was "transitioning".

Oh, and the word "shameless" never came up that I can remember. Perhaps AmSoc is confusing it with "scandalous"?

[Pompey]

Merely tossing one inappropriate response that way in exchange for the original.

[John Titor]

shame?less
adjective
1. (of a person or their conduct) characterized by or showing a lack of shame.
2. A moron who comes onto a forum and lectures people on their immorality while engaging in racism, praising mass murder, and calling for labour camps for religious minorities he doesn't like.

self-a?ware?ness
noun
1. conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.
2. something american socialist is legitimately too stupid to have.

[Sevo]

american socialist|10.22.16 @ 11:04PM|#
"Trumpsters on this website are shameless."

It takes an "intellect" as pathetic as commie-kid's to presume that laughing at the ambulence-chaser Allred and her latest 'victim' expressing support for Trump.
But, hey, when you've got that sort of stupidity, FLAUNT it, asswipe! Put it out there for all to see! No reason to hide imbecility of that level under a bushel basket!
Now, don't you have a mortgage payment to take care of?

[thrakkorzog]

She went to his hotel room. And Trump thought he had a shot at banging a porn star. Pretty sure that if I had convinced a porn star to come up to my room, I would have a decent shot.

So he kissed her, she said no, offered her money and she said no, and everybody walked out of there unraped.

So is Donald Trump a bit of tasteless cad? Yeah, but we already knew that about him.

OMG he asked a woman who has sex for money to have sex for money, and she declined and walked away and nothing else happened.

That just sounds like a really awkward date than a sexual assault.

[Cdr Lytton]

Tell us more about chemical engineering, Tulpa.

[MarkLastname]

But there is evidence that Hillary physically abuses her husband.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/04/h.....oors-book/

There is no excuse for domestic violence, amsoc. No. Excuse.

[OGREtheTroll]

Oh how convenient, she comes forward with this story the day after she launches a new online sex store.

[GILMORE?]

BBNG = Yes
(all their records are good start to end)
Hiatus Kaiyote = Not yet*
(*that's the best i could find = they suffer from their own need to complicate themselves; btw, Mndsgn suffers from the same)
Lack of Afro = Definite Maybe
(*reminds me of Jamie Liddel and other UK 'neo soul' that has initial niceness, but suffers on 2nd/3rd listen...but this guys' redeeming aspect is he also churns out lots of pleasant groovers... speaking of which, where the hell is that other guy?)
Ok, so Jamie Lidell = Sure
(*but still what i said above - very nice, but as time passes, not very repeatable - and thinking about the whole "new people trying to be old" reminds me of that other guy who out-retros everyone else... uh... wtf, can't remember...._
Ah Leon Bridges = Most definitely
(*because it seems less like 'trying to be retro' the way the others do and just genuinely how he wants to sound. I bought his record while i was traveling and forgot about it because its only on my phone at the moment. Great stuff)...

[GILMORE?]

...and since i'm mentally jumping from one "thing i listened to recently" to another, i feel i should mention Gregory Porter because i think that was the last other-album-i-actually-paid-money-for which i think was fantastic beginning to end, and was also sort of 'retro' but in a way that made that aspect irrelevant. Don't ask me about the guy's hat, i don't know and i think its weird too.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Things sure are getting weird here as the election approaches.

[GILMORE?]

I just hope they'll be enough Kool-Aid to go around.

[GILMORE?]

"there'll" - thurrl? "they'gown'be?"

in the distant future i will be considered a pioneer of phonetic typing

[thrakkorzog]

Meh, I'm not dumb enough to drink the Kool-Aid. I'll stick to whiskey if it's all the same to you.

[GILMORE?]

oooh, a *masochist*. Kinky.

[Sevo]

"Things sure are getting weird here as the election approaches."

Compared to, oh, White Indian?

[JayU]

Offering a porn star money for sex?

No... No... NO! WHAT KIND OF TERRIBLE WORLD IS THIS?

[AlmightyJB]

She's an adult film performer.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/22/.....index.html

[Suell]

Glad to see the Dodgers get put away by the Cubs. I'm a lifelong Giants fan and enjoy seeing Midwest teams that never get anywhere get somewhere. Plus it's always nice to see the Dodgers lose.

This article is totally irrelevant to any libertarian concerns. Maybe once the Hilldog takes the win we will get some more interesting coverage of actual important things. Let's hope.

[Suell]

Also, Pete Rose has been utterly terrible in the post game. He really should be shunned from baseball.

[BigT]

Water wet, sky blue,Pete Rose asshole.

Even assholes belong in the HOF.

[Rhywun]

I have a feeling her presidency is going to have the writers here working overtime.

[Suell]

It certainly should provide plenty of material.

I've been enjoying the new redesign of the FEE website. There has been some good articles there over the past months. It's worth a look. Finding an old issue of The Freeman a decade ago was what got me really interested in libertarian thought. It helped having a mindset that was already oriented towards liberty.

[AlmightyJB]

I'll have to check it out. Isn't that Richman's stomping grounds?

[Suell]

It is, although I don't recall seeing anything there recently by him. What I like there I see that it is tends to not cover current events as much as basic libertarian philosophy. It's nice to get away from the daily cycle of news bs and just read some basic principles.

[AlmightyJB]

Awesome

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Um...my internet isn't working.??Anyone know the score of the Penn State game?

[Sevo]

Sorry, Frank. Time in the ER with a relative (turns out OK) barely enough time to get chores done, missed a couple of games I wanted to see.
But I'm sure Playa is more than willing to give you the dope, right Playa?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Normally wouldn't care..

But...OSU...

Glad your relative is okay.

[Sevo]

"Glad your relative is okay."
Danke.

[Cdr Lytton]

Good luck. Playa still hasn't given me the score for the Cal/Oregon State game. My browser keeps crashing when I try to pull it up.

[Gray Ghost]

It's times like this I'm sad Sloop doesn't come around here anymore. 24-21 (final) Penn State.

[AlmightyJB]

Well the PSU cheerleaders are blowing the refs right now. Not that OSU didn't deserve to lose but they had two drives killed by missed holding calls on receivers on big plays that were obvious, and another by a bogus horse collar call against them.

[BigT]

True, but they should have never been in that position. Looked bad vs Indiana and Wisconsin.

Youngest team in the country.

[GILMORE?]

If you're in business in the United States, you shouldn't be able to choose what classes of people you will or will not do business with. You have the right to not go into business, to choose a profession that will allow you to never deal with whomever it is you don't want to deal with; you don't have the option to go into business and then discriminate.... ? or you shouldn't have that option, anyway.

I can only assume she meant "Everyone Except Sex Workers"

*I keed, I keed, but seriously tho. That's sort of funny.

[Sevo]

G, ya gotta tell us from whence came the block quote. I don't see it in the article.

[GILMORE?]

sorry, i thought it had achieved meme-status at this point

[AlmightyJB]

Wow.

[Sevo]

Missed it.

[AlmightyJB]

I don't understand this overwhelming need to bully "bleeding hearts" all seem to have.

[GILMORE?]

"Principals (greater sign) Principles"

this 'liberty' stuff is all well and good, but dammit, we can't go letting racists and bigots have it, so i guess no one should have it until they're all re-educated... or something.

Robby's version of the same sort of internal computation-failure is his inability to realize that the argument for "Free Speech" isn't that it is needed to "Destroy Racism"... its the idea that free-speech is the only way a pluralistic society can test ideas and identify the best ones. "Racism" and other bad-ideas will always exist, and you shouldn't be afraid of them, or unable to deal with them.

Its sort of like Hoffer's point about how "The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.""... similarly, the opposite of the 'Racist and the Bigot' isn't the Anti-Racist or Pro-GenderfluidTransToilet-Acceptance-education...

its the person who *doesn't care* whether the people around them hold different views or different levels of tolerance or intolerance, and is happier living in a world where there isn't just one version of 'right & wrong' being enforced by Collective Moral Scolds.

[AlmightyJB]

Well put

[Suthenboy]

Libertarian my ass. Reason seems to have gone full progtard.

[Homple]

So, ENB, is anything wrong with offering to pay a lot of money for a shot of leg? Certainly you don't find this "troubling", do you?

[Sevo]

"North Dakota pipeline protest prompts more than 80 arrests"
[...]
"MANDAN, N.D. (AP) ? More than 80 people protesting the Dakota Access pipeline were arrested Saturday during a demonstration that gathered about 300 people at a construction site in North Dakota and prompted law enforcement officers to use pepper spray."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/cri.....126331.php

I'm unsure WIH goes on here.
If eminent domain is the issue, I'm strongly opposed to it; PROVE that there is some over-riding issue that requires the taking of property.
If this is some whacko eddie religious claim, tell 'em A-1 does not allow archaic superstitionists to run the country, and get 'em off the property.

[AlmightyJB]

Related

http://hotair.com/archives/201.....-protests/

[Ken Shultz]

Yeah, that was my guess.

Part of it is about Native American claims on federal land.

Part of it is environmental activists using Native American claims on federal land as cover to protest the pipeline.

If it were on private land, this would be easier. Public land makes everything more complicated than it needs to be.

If it were private land, someone could buy an easement and pocket a bundle out there, or the government might legitimately eminent domain it.

Public "ownership" muddies the waters so bad, . . .

[GILMORE?]

I'd think if there were any plausible reason that the Govt could just step in and nix the thing, a la the Keystone XL deal, they already would have.

I really haven't paid much attention, because (as i said before) my impression is that its mostly a cause for the purpose of burnishing celebrity-activist's credibility.

e.g. "Go to ND and get arrested! be back for work on Monday; fodder for my twitter-followers!"

The only underlying "issue" i ever see referenced is that its a pipeline NEAR an Indian reservation.

Which i think is odd, because somehow i'd guess that in the long history of US pipelines... this can't be the first time one has been in the vicinity?

I have also been angered every time i read these stories because no one seems to mention the most recent 'man-made-natural-disaster' where Indians got fucked over the worst.

Strange, don't you think? that the media and the activists seem so hellbent on protesting a pipeline "potentially threatening Indians" where *no accidents have occurred, nor have any reasonable expectation to occur*

... while completely ignoring the most devastating accident to actually hurt a Native American community in the last 20 years?

'hypocrites' is too gentle a word

[lap83]

Hillary's team must have a really low opinion of the average woman voter to think this will change anyone's mind in her favor. Trump may lose out on some voters but I doubt she will gain any. Even the dumbest of the undecided voters can see she has the charm of a dentist's waiting room. This scheme doesn't change that.

[DenverJ]

Hillary's team must have has a really low opinion of the average woman voter everybody
FIFY

[Bra Ket]

It's the piling on effect we saw with Palin, where weak and often unprovable allegations would get plastered over the media daily,cause they still get the biggest ratings. When the big news story of the day is how horrible Trump is, anything that remotely fits gets top attention. Even in a completely unbiased news media.

[BigT]

Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

[DenverJ]

I posted this last night. It's the Avett Brothers "Ain't no man" so you don't watch it again if you didn't like it.
But, man, I just can't get this song out of my head.

[SIV]

"The pressure's going to drop on you."

[GILMORE?]

probably my favorite record

[thrakkorzog]

In equally important news Jenna Jameson Is a Hardcore Trump supporter.

She claims that http://dailycaller.com/2016/10.....ul-to-her/ Trump was always a gentleman in her presence. I'm sure we will get stories about Jenna Jameson's pro-Trump views any minute now.

[GILMORE?]

she and drake could have a mudwrestling match in lieu of a debate about the respective merits of their chosen candidates.

[Tim from Philly]

Jenna IS married to a UFC fighter. I think that would make any body think twice about being rude to her. Even if they are a complete asshole.

[Pompey]

I thought she dead

[Agammamon]

Donald Trump Accused of Kissing Porn Star Jessica Drake Without Her Consent, Offering to Pay Her $10,000 for Sex
Drake did not agree to Trump's advances said lawyer Gloria Allred on Saturday.

I'm confused - why is there a lawyer involved?

[BigT]

"lawyer" Gloria Allred

[josh]

my guess is she came forward either b/c she needs money or publicity, or she just wants to prove that even porn stars can get assaulted/raped b/c they're people too.

[Trigger Hippie]

Well guys, in less than a week I've been called a lefty Cosmo by SIV and a Trump Cultist by Hihn.

Is there some sort of award or secrect handshake I'm now privy to?

[The Grinch]

Stop being such a bully Hihn.

[The Grinch]

More bullying. Shameful, just shameful.

[The Grinch]

It's funny how you condemn in others what you find in yourself to the same degree as the worst offenders on these comment threads. Showing up 12 hours later and pummeling people just isn't cricket.

[The Grinch]

His background doesn't necessarily mean the latest videos are fakes but, yeah, he should release the unedited footage. It's hard to think of a context, though, that would explain away their content as benign.

[Troy muy grande boner]

What crime? Tax evasion? That would make him a hero in my book.

[OldMexican sine qua non]

Re: Michael Hindered,

O'Keefe's criminal backgroubd

His "criminal background" includes this: pleading guilty to a misdemeanor.

Yeah, he's a danger to society.

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

Years ago, I read a novel by Kurt Vonnegut, the name of which escapes me right now, that featured aliens who communicated by tap dancing and farting. For some reason, when I read your posts, I think of that novel.

[BigT]

Hildog and Pederast's emails were stolen. That doesn't make the factual material therein any less relevant.

Same with O'Keefe. Judge the material on its face. In context - unedited versions. Judge the man on his actions.

The Pentagon Papers and Snowden revelations were obtained exta-legally. Should they thus be ignored?

[d_remington]

Found the HillShill

[The Grinch]

And there you go, a bully. If you aren't playing a character called Michael Hihn, and I hope for your sake that you are, you should really see a psychiatrist. Seriously, out of concern for a fellow human being, you should consider it. Your comments have progressed from out-of-sorts to unhinged although I'm not convinced you have the wherewithal to realize that.

[MarkLastname]

You didn't provide evidence. You attacked the source. That's called an 'ad hominem' attack. O'Keefe may be the biggest douche bag on the planet; he could've killed Jimmy Hoffa and JFK and torched the USS Maine, none of which refutes the contents of a video he happened to film.

There's thing called logic, maybe you've heard of it.

[UCrawford]

Go back on your meds, sad angry old man.

[UCrawford]

Go back on your meds, sad old man. Nobody likes seeing the senile shit themselves in public.

[A frilly pink thing]

Self congratulation isn't pretty.

[A frilly pink thing]

No, she didn't

[Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe]

Is there a name for those who REFUSE AND EVADE reality?

Michael Hihn?

[UCrawford]

You know why you whine about bullies constantly but nobody cares, Hihn? Because you're a pathological victim and nobody respects you. You can rant and spit at the commenters all you want, but it won't change what you are or what people think of you.

Go back on your meds and quit embarrassing yourself in public.

[Otis B. Driftwood]

Jesus, Hihn....you really are nuttier than squirrel shit.

[See Double You]

Hihn will defend Democrats and assorted leftwing causes until his dying breath, all the while claiming the mantle of The One True Libertarian?.

[UCrawford]

I don't even bother to read your posts, Hihn. As soon as I see the bold print, I know it will just be more of your rambling stupidity, then I skip it and just write a short notice telling you to quit making yourself into the butt of everyone's joke. Maybe someday you'll figure out that it's actually good advice.

[d_remington]

Found the HillShill

[d_remington]

Found the HillShill

[d_remington]

Found the HillShill

[d_remington]

Found the HillShill

[Azathoth!!]

His 'criminal' past is all related to his investigative reporting. One charge laid against him was 'impersonating a phone company worker'.

The uncut videos are available at the Project Veritas website and often on Youtube--but they are long and often very boring to watch.

As with all things, the accusations against O'Keefe are standard leftist projection.