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Two Women Say Trump Sexually Assaulted Them in the Exact Manner He Bragged About on Tape

It's frustratingly difficult to argue the U.S. is not a rape culture when one candidate is a sexual predator and the other is married to Bill Clinton.

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Two women have put forth claims that Donald Trump groped and kissed them without their permission.

We'll never know if they're telling the truth, because there are no witnesses who can corroborate their claims—except, of course, for Trump himself, who was caught on tape boasting about doing exactly what they said he did.

Recall what Trump told Billy Bush in 2005:

"You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]—I just start kissing them," Trump told Access Hollywood's Billy Bush, according to an audio tape leaked to The Washington Post on Friday. "It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

On Wednesday, The New York Times reported that two women now say Trump did to them the exact things he described in the statement above. Jessica Leeds, now 74, claims Trump groped her during an airline flight: he grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.

And in 2005, then-22-year-old Rachel Crooks was forcibly mouth-kissed by Trump, she told The Times.

Trump supporters will describe these allegations as he-said/she-said. But that's not quite right, because, again, Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes.

Reason readers know that I am often critical of the idea—hypocritically promoted by none other than Hillary Clinton—that we should automatically believe alleged victims of sexual assault. (Clinton supporters have happily ignored inconvenient allegations against Bill.) The believe-all-victims mantra is frequently cited in the context of campus rape disputes, where anti-rape activists give the impression that they believe accused parties should be deemed guilty without any shred of due process. These accusations are often more complicated than either side would like to believe: they run the full gamut, from undeniable sexual assault to possibly genuine misunderstanding to deliberate fabrication.

The allegations against Trump are categorically different, and that's because Trump himself has not only admitted to such behavior—he's bragged about it, for decades. He was proud of his ability—afforded by wealth and status—to take advantage of women.

Trump's own words confirm his deplorable behavior. And then there are the women's statements in The Times. Plus Trump's ex-wife's testimony. And (underage) pageant contestants who say he barged in on them in the dressing rooms. This too. Oh, and this.

Automatically believing all victims is the wrong approach: the right approach is to soberly assess the facts. And the facts undeniably suggest that Trump is the monster he himself claims to be.

In this case, I believe Trump (circa 2005) and the victims, since their accounts are philosophically in agreement. (The Trump of 2016 denies the allegations, and also thinks Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination.)

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh had this to say:

But… "consent" is the magic key! Yes, you can do whatever you want to another person, sexually speaking, as long as you have their consent. The campus left, unfortunately, has put forth the unworkable claim that consent must be verbalized before each and every new sex act—that men and women aren't capable of reading the mood and mutually deciding to escalate things without aggressing against each other. It's a terrible shame that the far right—to the extent Rush Limabaugh represents it—is now putting forth an equally ludicrous claim: that consent is a bad thing.

It's as if, as Cathy Young claims in her latest article for Reason, Trump and his ilk are trying to prove leftist feminists right about rape culture.

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  1. Two women have put forth claims that Donald Trump groped and kissed them without their permission.

    Who let affirmative consent into the time machine?

    1. “Affirmative consent” means you have to ask permission to do every single new romantic/sex thing, which is obviously impractical.

      But the old-fashioned consent definition still requires you to generally have the other person’s permission. You can’t just throw yourself at every person you come across, grope them, and then say “well, she didn’t resist!” I mean, if you think that, then you are a bad person.

      It should be okay to assume consent when things are naturally and obviously progressing in a certain way. That’s much different from what Trump bragged about, and is accused of.

      1. I’m betting that both Trump and Clinton had consent in every case they’ve ever been sexually involved in. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

        So why should we assume that’s not the case? Both are rich and powerful men. So their exposure to lots of women who would be available to them and willingly so, would be high.

        It’s also a fact that making accusations like this against those same rich and powerful men could reap obvious benefits for the accuser, regardless of truth.

        What you say, Robby?

        1. It’s also a fact that Trump is very litigious and mean-spirited, especially when it comes to ‘character assassination,’ with a whole lot more money and lawyers than your average Miss Universe contestant would have.

          “I spent a couple of bucks on legal fees, and they spent a whole lot more. I did it to make his life miserable, which I’m happy about.”

          1. I ain’t saying that they a gold digger, but they ain’t messin with no broke…

        2. “So why should we assume that’s not the case?”

          Multiple credible accusations?

          1. Tony! Long time! I was afraid concerned hopeful aware that something might have happened to you.

          2. like Juanita Broadrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones and her massive settlement payout, etc? Like those credible accusations?

            1. No, no, that’s not what Tony meant. Hey look, do you want Tony’s master to hit your ass with some cruise missiles? No, you better shut up, man!

              1. i know. He just makes it so easy.

                **returns to fortifying bunker**

            2. This is actually a credible argument in your weird little mind, isn’t it?

              1. Explain why it isn’t, then, retard.

                1. What, the “two wrongs make a right” argument? Or the “wife’s responsible for husband’s actions” argument?

                  1. Its called aiding and abetting Bill’s behavior.

                  2. or conspiracy, if you like.

          3. Accusations, yes; credible, yet to be determined.

        3. I’m betting that both Trump and Clinton had consent in every case they’ve ever been sexually involved in.

          I don’t believe that’s true in the cases of either Juanita Broderick or Kathleen Wiley.

          -jcr

      2. Define “naturally and obviously progressing in a certain way” for you.
        Now, define it for billionaires and young women whose careers can be set in motion by said billionaires.

        If you think it’s the same for both scenarios then you’re a fucking retard.

        1. Here is some examples of how women react sexually to men they just met and think are wealthy.

          goo.gl/g2w7adcontent_copyCopy short URL

      3. It should be okay to assume consent when things are naturally and obviously progressing in a certain way.

        Look, everybody! Robby knows the one true way things are supposed to progress in sexually. Opposite sex or same sex. Long term relationship or just let. Into normal sex or kink. Doesn’t matter. There’s a “certain way” that is natural and obvious for things to progress.

        Maybe he could draw a chart. I’m sure it would be comically inaccurate in, oh, 95% of sexual interactions.

        1. “Maybe he could draw a chart. I’m sure it would be comically inaccurate in, oh, 95% of sexual interactions.”

          I hear that Ezra Klein is looking for work.

          1. I hear that Ezra Klein is looking for work.

      4. The paper company saleswoman is on tape saying she was cool with Trump’s initial physical attention including grabbing her tits touching her upper body but that she flipped out when he grabbed her by the pussy put his hand up her skirt.

        1. Reading the NSDAP commenters here lit a lightbulb and the GOP border wall suddenly makes sense. The idea, as in the Democratic German Republic, is not to keep foreigners out but to KEEP WOMEN IN! And their softening of tone towards lynching, jailing and deporting gays is the simple realization that an increasing differential of female migration into Canada–where there are NO abortion laws whatsoever–will soon leave them no other alternative (aside from the prayer and abstinence they preach for others, and members of the Wizened Christian Temperance Union). Yes there actually is logical consistency in fanatical mysticism; you just have to sift for it.

          1. I’m Canadian and we don’t want them.
            Canada isn’t the leftist, secular Shangri-La progressives imagine it to be. The government funds Christian religious instruction and students recited the Lord’s Prayer in public schools until quite recently. The only reason we have no abortion laws is because the Supreme Court struck down the old ones; and with a 50/50 public opinion split on the issue, successive governments have been too frightened to tackle it.

            Also wasn’t the NSDAP overwhelmingly gay until the Night of the Long Knives and removal of the Brownshirts?

      5. Robby: “It should be okay to assume consent when things are naturally and obviously progressing in a certain way. That’s much different from what Trump bragged about, and is accused of.”

        If he were describing the “natural and obvious progression” it would not be bragging. It is “much different” because he is bragging, exaggerating.

      6. “Sexual predator” is a bit rich Mr Soave. I find it rather convenient that these two accusers didn’t say a peep about their horrible experience with T Rump until now, days after the tape came out where Mr Orange basically outlined their accusations for them. What happened to the unbiased skepticism I used to be able to rely on Reason to provide? I’m not saying Trump is a bit slimy, but hell, I supported McAfee so obviously I’m not bothered by a little depraved behavior. So making a pass at someone makes one a “predator” now? Only if one continues to force themselves onto a person after their advances have been clearly rejected, which I don’t believe these women are claiming.

      7. Ok to assume. Sure yeah, that progtard chick you’re hooking up with “consents”.

        Until a few days/weeks/months later when she screams rape.

        Oh you thought you had consent…. No you trusted a prog. You never have consent….

    2. Holy crap, what the fuck is wrong with Rush Limbaugh? What a cunt.

      1. The part that bugs me is that Progs always say you need consent, consent is easy.

        Then when you ask them to define consent, the just babble incoherently…

        Consent is something everyone just knows but no one can explain….

      2. I happened to hear that portion of the show.

        The point he was making wasn’t like the twit tweeted in the above article.

        He was talking about the progressive erasure of objective morality in American culture.

        He was saying that the progs say that morality is subjective and that anything and everything is moral as long as there is consent.

        Morality was the topic of the entirety of his statement , not simply that consent is bad.

        Context is King.

    3. I am in no way condoning Trump’s behavior-the guy is and has been a fucking asshole. Buuuut…I find it amusing to see the faux outrage of proggies towards him when compared with Bill Clinton, or any other number of politicans’ actions towards women. I remember a woman I dated back in the late 90s telling me that she would have gladly perform any sexual favor Clinton demanded of her-so there…Of course, its quite another thing to go on record bragging about it.

      1. That said- Trump’s (or Clinton’s) behavior would be completely normal and acceptable by any European or Latin American politician.

      2. I’m pretty sure that the most powerful man in the world could sweet talk his way into the pants off a stary eyed intern half his age, and that she would confirm that it was totally consensual.
        That doesn’t mean it wasn’t slimy. It is, in fact, almost a text book case of the crimes that seem to so interest the left, as long as the perpetrator isn’t named “Clinton”.

        1. In the case of Monica Lewinsky I don’t think Cigar Bill had to do much sweet talking, if any. That little twist knew exactly what she was after.

          1. What she didn’t know was that Hillary would destroy her life….

            1. Ironically, all this will destroy Hillary’s life because she will lose the election. The upside, is that Hillary’s downfall from grace will probably take Chelsea with her and hopefully never hear from either one again.

              1. sarc ?

                If the emails detailing her corruption, admitting she has a public position and a different private position on issues, that her campaign is clearly coordinating with Clinton super pacs, and that the media is working hand in hand with her campaign isn’t going to do it nothing will I’m afraid.

                Have all here ever wondered how all across the media they seem to have the same verbiage when criticizing anyone else ? The day after one of The Donald’s speeches every talking head in the MSM was calling it DARK. There are many other examples of such coordination. Now we now, they were getting their talking points directly from the campaign. They were being told what to say like the little lapdogs they are.

                If this woman gets elected this country is going to go through the most massive period of corruption ever.

                I can’t even

      3. yeah, it’s why i can barely bothered to be outraged by trump. it’s not that i think he should be given a free pass, but the loudest condemnation against him are from people who made excuses for bill when he was president and think that hillary -when she was defending him- actually cared one bit whether or not any of these women had actually been assaulted by her husband before helping to systematically destroying them.

        and that’s where i fault hillary the most. she literally couldn’t have cared less if these women were violated in the most horrible ways one can imagine. what bothered her was that they had the nerve to make a stink about it.

      4. Yeah, their much beloved “Lion of the senate” literally killed a woman and it didn’t big them one bit.

        1. Come on dude, that was like, 40 yrs ago. What difference, at this point, does it make?

    4. Right, women have to say “Don’t grab my pussy” every time a man gets within 10 feet, otherwise consent for pussy-grabbing is assumed. Or something.

      1. I’ll bet good money these women have never even been in the same room as Trump.

    5. My co-worker’s step-sister makes $97 hourly on the laptop . She has been out of work for six months but last month her paycheck was $14100 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Go this website and click to tech tab to start your work… http://tinyurl.com/hhwe4zl

  2. Robby Soave? Before I spend any time reading this, is there actually anything to back up the headline, or is this going to be another of Robby’s “Current Events as Understood by A Typical Ten-Year-Old Kid” posts?

    1. “is there actually anything to back up the headline”

      Why you so old fashion?

    2. “Trump supporters will describe these allegations as he-said/she-said. But that’s not quite right, because, again, Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes.”

      This is horseshit from a panty-waist.

      “The ‘pussy tape’ contains what can be read as a confession to sexual assault?though, in my view, it sounds more like sexual trash talk”.

      —-Cathy Young

      This is legitimately balanced.

      If Robby were honest like Cathy Young, he would have written something to the effect that “The ‘pussy tape’ contains what can be read as [sexual trash talk]?though, in my view, it sounds more like [a confession to sexual assault]”.

      Robby didn’t write it that way because he’s being dishonest. Cathy Young wrote it the way she did because she was being honest.

      Robby fails on a strict rationality basis, too. Assuming that the tape amounts to a confession to crimes because Trump confessed on the tape to crimes has obvious logic problems

      . . . even to anyone who’s ever sat through and failed a Freshman logic class.

      1. In an early Fifth Column podcast (number 4, I believe), the boys talk about the value of journalists working their way up the ranks – doing court reporting for the Bumfuck County Dispatch or some shit like that – to earn their bylines. There may be something to that.

        Or, it just may be a different style of journalism today that the old fogies don’t understand. News consumers might actually like being grabbed the by proverbial snatch by attention-grabbing headlines and clickbait opinion writing that forcefully re-enforces their beliefs. Everyone tells me that Trump is a rapist, and that’s what I want to believe, so why would I want to read anything to challenge that?

        1. The style of journalism we’re talking about can be just as easily explained by dishonesty and a lack of intellectual rigor.

          1. Dishonest? Nah. I don’t sense any guile in Robby. I think he’s genuinely the perpetually breathless and incredulous git he comes across as in his writing. I think of him as Reason’s answer to Timmy from Long Chevrolet.

        2. Kerry Howley, Nick Gillespie, Jacob Sullum, Ron Bailey, Matt Welch, Cathy Young, Julian Sanchez, Tim Cavanaugh, Jessie Walker, Brian Doherty, . . .

          None of them could have written this post.

          I’ve seen Welch, Young, Bailey, and Sullum all have their honesty attacked by other journalists, etc. for things they’ve written in the past, and they’ve always managed to come back at their critics with all due boldness because they’re so meticulously honest (and rational) in their writing.

          That isn’t to say they’ve never been wrong. That isn’t to say I’ve never disagreed with them.

          It’s to say that they’re honest.

          It’s a character issue. Probably not something they teach you in journalism school. It’s something you’re supposed to learn from your parents or grandparents or your football coach or someone like that.

          1. Let’s not go nuts here. Soave showed some of what you’re describing in his UVA Rolling Stone reporting. But Trump manages to bring out the worst in everyone.

            1. He did as much. But no, Trump doesn’t bring out the worst in everyone. People bring out the worst in themselves.

          2. (Also, I don’t think re-enforced is actually a word. I can’t watch Arrow and focus on writing coherently at the same time.)

  3. Bob Packwood did something sometime back.

  4. The allegations against Trump are categorically different, and that’s because Trump himself has not only admitted to such behavior?he’s bragged about it, for decades.

    He’s bragged about his wealth. Investigations have disproved his claims.

  5. Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes

    No, he did not, you ignorant slut.

    1. “I do this” cannot be taken as confession?

      1. I’m not seeing that quote anywhere so it’s impossible to guess what “this” means.

      2. “They let you do it”

        Let.

        Let.

        LET.

        1. Why do people keep saying that as if it’s exculpatory and not damning?

          1. The whole, you know, consent thing.

            My wife let me fuck her… somewhat recently. Kind of the opposite of not letting me fuck her, and me doing it anyway.

            1. I’m off to beddy soon, so I’ll just repost from Friday’s shit-show:

              He “doesn’t even wait.” I hate to repeat what one of the trolls said above, but the way Trump tells it, he goes in and does what he wants, and the woman “lets him do it” because she doesn’t protest. Understanding that they don’t complain because he’s “a star” suggests he knows they would complain if he were just an orange schlub, and that he’s getting away with something. Perhaps because they’re so in awe of his stardom and consider it a privilege, or perhaps because they know that protesting against a powerful man can be dangerous.

              Is this really so hard? You’re able to read “They let you do it. You can do anything.” in any charitable way?

              Of course, this could all be the sophomoric boasting of a deeply insecure man trying to impress alpha Billy Bush. I don’t think it’s difficult to believe he’s done this kind of shit to young women just trying to make a career or get their business deal finalized.

              1. ‘He “doesn’t even wait.”‘

                Yeah, clearly he kisses every beautiful woman he encounters, and instantly so. Even Trump’s public – “professional” – speeches are poorly structured, the sequence of sentences questionable, and the entire thing full of imprecision and exaggeration. Yet somehow you treat a private exchange of such nature as if it had the quality of a legal statement or philosophical treatise.

                1. *sniff* You know, I worked really hard on that last paragraph. 🙁

              2. “Of course, this could all be the sophomoric boasting of a deeply insecure man”

                That doesn’t sound anything at all like Donald Trump.

                1. To me it sound exactly like that.

          2. From a legal perspective it is. No one is disputing that Trump is a scumbag but insinuating he’s a serial rapist because of the tape is bush league reporting.

            I expect a lot better from Reason than this horseshit.

            1. These distractive narratives, to keep the spotlight off Hillary, are not to write themselves.

        2. First, I am gonna assume we all agree as libertarians that there is a different standard for these things from a legal standpoint and from an ethical standpoint. I am just curious, Playa. Ethically speaking, are you ok with therapists fucking their clients? Because it is generally agreed upon by most people that there are some relationships in which it is never ok to take advantage of a power differential to initiate a sexual relationship. Then there are relationships where it is not ok some of the time or where one should err on the side of caution, such as a boss employee relationship. So what I am curious is if you think that Trump taking advantage of his position of power to grope women, because he knows they will let him due to fear of losing their job, is ethical.

          1. Ethically speaking, are you ok with therapists fucking their clients?
            No. Not even close.

            because he knows they will let him due to fear of losing their job, is ethical.
            Which is hypothetical. He didn’t grope any employee. If he did, it’s actionable, especially in the state of New York. 7 figures minimum.

            And to be clear, I believe that being a young, incredibly attractive female IS a position of power. You can get rich old men to do whatever you want.

            Trump is a fucking scumbag. Nothing he said is a surprise to me. But to call him a sexual predator, in print, is pretty fucking stupid.

            1. If you were at all surprised by the tape.. lolwut? We told you what Trump was and you don’t get to play the innocent now.

              1. Play? Play?

                The federal budget in 2016 is operating on the same number of labor hours as the economy provided in 1998.

                Tell me now whose ploy of innocence will cost more.

                You DO realize that theoretical costs and problems are not nearly as dire are REAL problems and costs, right? Right?

              2. A guy who talks about his conquests and bullshits? We got it.

      3. Not in the context of an actual event, unless he actually contextualizes it himself.

        If Trump said “I grabbed some pussy on an airline and it was hot” that’s admission. But he didn’t, instead he made a general statement about what he vaguely ‘likes to do’ with women rather that specify a specific example of what he has actually done.

        It’s like if someone asks me what I’d do if someone said something really annoying to me, and I jokingly replied “well I’d kill them.” Then someone accuses me of murder and you use that as support of the fact I did it.

        1. Fair nuff. Could the tape theoretically be submitted in a court case as evidence of his character and behavior, if not evidence of a specific crime?

          1. As I mention below, yep. But it’s simply not an admission of a crime, and as I also stress below, Robby should probably remove that statement as it is a libel risk.

            1. Agreed. Double agree on softening or removing the language, because Trump and Reason are both well acquainted with libel suits.

              I even feel an itch to start bombarding Nick, to make sure he knows to check this post and neuter it.

              1. They should run this post through a woodchipper.

                1. Here, grab its motherfuckin’ leg.

      4. It should be taken to be as much of confession as something something something woodchipper should be taken as a threat….

    2. He claimed that you can get away with those exact crimes when you’re a billionaire. How would he know whether he could get away with it unless he tried?

  6. “It’s frustratingly difficult to argue the U.S. is not a rape culture”

    Robby… I can’t even…

    1. I can’t even either.

      If we lived in a rape culture, Bill and Donald would each be trying to convince that he raped more women than the other. The fact that they’re trying to sweep their alleged actions under the rug suggests, on the contrary, that our culture very much condemns rape, and that the electorate is a very poor judge of character.

      1. I would go so far as to say that a furor that does not materially help an actual victim of rape but does benefit a non-rape victim in the specific is self-centered pandering to an ideal one does not espouse. And it’s gross.

    2. … the U.S. is a rape hysteria culture.

      There, I fixed it for you, Robbo.

  7. I enjoy this guy’s take:

    Ok. Trump is horrible. But I want to talk a little bit about the oppo dump that’s happening in real time. This is world class work folks. 1/

    This is a brilliantly coordinated drop, with staggered embargoes. First, notice the mix of local outlets and national outlets. 2/

    There’s a great mix of print and broadcast as well. Start with the NYT to get eyeballs on the web and TV. CNN picks it up immediately 3/

    Ok. Now you’ve got a story rolling. Within an hour, you start to get multiple waves coming out of local outlets. These get picked up. 4/

    Within ninety minutes you’ve got reporters reporting on existing reporting. The cycle is locked in. Nobody’s assessing the stories. 5/

    And here’s the kicker: the victims live in FL, OH, even UT. THEY’RE ALL SWING STATES! It’s masterful to be honest. Take a bow. /fin

    1. Pretty easy to do when the MSM is openly in favor of you…

      1. Wikileaks has demonstrated widespread coordination between many media outlets and the Clinto campaign. That goes way beyond “favoring”.

        1. No kidding. And yet it’s happening now, not in three weeks. That seems early. A sign of desperation in the Hillary camp? Doing everything they can to distract from Wikileaks?

  8. Trump supporters will describe these allegations as he-said/she-said. But that’s not quite right, because, again, Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes.

    Ah, no, he didn’t Robby. He did not specifically mention sexually assaulting either of these women, nor are his comments contextualized in anything but a general statement towards women. It’s reflective of Trump’s boorish character, but not an admission of anything.

    Seriously, I get that you’re really revving on the ‘Trump is a sexual predator’ angle, but this makes you a hack, and I really recommend you retract that bit.

    1. And by “really recommend you retract that bit” I also mean “saying someone admitted to a crime when they didn’t is actual defamation and can carry legal implications.”

    2. I suspect he’s angling for a new career anyway.

  9. Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes.

    Unless he admitted do doing those exact accusations to those exact women then no he didn’t.

  10. And they just remembered….

    1. The timing is rather coincidental. Why not six or eight months ago? Could’ve saved us all a lot of trouble. My suspicion is some media outlet went on a fishing expedition and found some women who Trump behaved inappropriately with (whether such behavior was criminal or not seems ambiguous), and now we’ve got a story.

      I’d be less skeptical, but the timing is pretty coincidental.

  11. Congratulations, Reason had me pretty much voting for Trump a month or so ago, but I had second thoughts. I now am definitely casting my vote for Trump. If I go to a predominantly Democratic ward, I may even vote Trump a few times.

    And, down with carbon taxes.

    1. down with carbon taxes.

      What is her private and public position on it?

      1. Jackhammer in private, missionary only for procreation publicly.

        1. Scissoring in private, missionary in public.

      2. Private public whut?

    2. I pity anyone who decides their vote based on a political website article (barring a drastic reveal of previously unknown information about a candidate), let alone this one.

      1. Straw breaking the camel’s back. I don’t like propaganda. And my vote is statistically useless. I put it where it has the most effect, and if that is remotely annoy a hack, then it’s at least served some purpose.

        1. Robby is in tears over your decision as we write.

    3. Taxing carbon is foolish. They should tax nitrogen. There’s more of it, so tax revenue would be increase by much more.

  12. Looks like the Dems are in full salt the earth mode…

  13. I know you are not this stupid – therefore I must conclude you are this dishonest.

  14. BTW, after the election, all the other Republican presidential candidates ought to sue their oppo research people for incompetence.

    1. The Bush Thanksgiving dinner is sure to be something.

    2. Jeb Bush said Trump was someone else’s problem. He didn’t need to spend his $130m war chest on Trump. There were more productive things to spend it on, like “Jeb Can Fix It” bumper stickers.

    3. Why would the MSM want to knock out Trump that early?

      1. +1 peaking early

      2. BTW, after the election, all the other Republican presidential candidates ought to sue their oppo research people for incompetence.

        Why would the MSM want to knock out Trump that early?

        The MSM had their talking points according to the Podesta E-mails.

        “Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-in-the-same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to the majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal ?”

        “There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:

        Ted Cruz

        Donald Trump

        Ben Carson

        “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously.”

        1. Add to this the fact that the Clintons asked Trump to run as a Republican, and told him to “be himself.”

          Love or hate the Libertarian candidate but at least the Democratic Party didn’t choose ours for us.

  15. So they did not report this to the police when it happened but now a month before the election they say they were sexually assaulted. Gee Robby, don’t you think there could be some political motivation behind this? Keep this up and maybe you can move up to the Huffington Post.

  16. *”They let you do it”*. – Means either consent, lack of resistance, or that they won’t retaliate, try to get him punished.

    “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful [women]?I just start kissing them.”

    So, did Trump actually do that, just start kissing all beautiful women? If not, then maybe he was exaggerating and babbling.

    As for the the transgressions you describe, the normal [as transgressions] range is pretty narrow. Physically, and basically, they involve kissing, and grabbing/touching. The fact that you can construe a “match” means pretty much nothing. Bragging, predicting, accusing, and conventional sexual interactions will essentially all be about these things.

  17. I’m curious how the media keeps going on with this over the top absurd hatred of Trump without realizing that it is actually they, themselves, who created their monster?

    1. He was funny when he was a Democrat or just another part of the Republican Clown Car but now he could keep a Democrat out of the White House!

  18. This election isn’t funny anymore.

    The wife of *Bill Clinton* is going to become President so that voters can express their horror at men who disrespect women.

    A murderous “procedure” whose victims are disproportionately female and nonwhite is going to become even further entrenched than it already is…thanks to the votes of women and nonwhites.

    A crafty, crooked Democrat will become President because the voters are reacting against…a crafty demagogic Democrat.

    1. Nothing has been all that funny since at least 1913. It’s been an absurd spectacle the whole while, but not all that terribly funny.

    2. The wife of *Bill Clinton* is going to become President so that voters can express their horror at men who disrespect women.

      And some other things.

  19. On the one hand, Trump is a liar. On the other, every survivor of sexual assault does have the right to be heard and the right to be believed. (One of the presidential candidate’s twitter feed told me so.) So I’m lost on this one. Fortunately for everyone the rapist doesn’t have a chance in November, so we dodge that bullet and get the rape enabler with the official feminist stamp of approval.

  20. I sort of feel sorry for Reason. Their challenge is that they actually have the most intelligent and informed readership on the planet. Maybe one day, they will actually realize this again and rise to the occasion.

    1. The print edition is still very good!

      1. Really? Maybe I should actually start reading these archaic paper thingies I get in the mail every month over here on my shelf… I didn’t realize that was still done. It’s sort of like when someone asks me to scribble some doodles with one of these ‘pens’ that people used to use back in the stone age.

  21. I don’t know. The cognitive dissonance here is a little over the top.

    I can’t tell if people here are partial to Trump because they are the embarrassed Republican variety of psuedo-libertarian or if they like the fact that he will trash the system a little.

    I get it.

    Or maybe libertarians like playing devil’s advocate a bit. I’m the same way.

    But, did you read the stories? They are convincing enough. As convincing as Clinton’s.

    Look. I’m sorry. He’s a creep. He most likely just groped a bunch of women.

    If you wanna f*ck up the system, go for it. Vote Trump. Just because he’s a creep won’t change that.

    But the 10 or so posts above acting like this is bullshit are delusional.

    1. Worst case Trumps a creep, or was one in his younger days.

      So that totally justifies empowering our very own Madame Mao. Because she pure and wholesome, which is all that matters in a president.

      1. Munching extra-marital rug doesn’t count, even if you grabbed it by the mother-fucking leg.

        1. Not even if the extra-marital rug is a Muslim Brotherhood agent?

      2. As I said, knock yourself out on who to vote for. It is the Democrats themselves who invented the whole “compartmentalization” logic that the character of the president shouldn’t matter.

        I know all about the NYT and it’s reputation, but did you read the original story and really think it bullshit?

        Ok then. Don’t insult my intelligence acting like this is some made up partisan b.s and Trump doesn’t grope women.

        1. Also saying Trump is a creep who’s unfit to be President, isn’t saying “GO HILLARY” and acting otherwise, on a Libertarian website of all places is either moronic or disingenuous.

      3. As I said, knock yourself out on who to vote for. It is the Democrats themselves who invented the whole “compartmentalization” logic that the character of the president shouldn’t matter.

        I know all about the NYT and it’s reputation, but did you read the original story and really think it bullshit?

        Ok then. Don’t insult my intelligence acting like this is some made up partisan b.s and Trump doesn’t grope women.

    2. Simple: either the incredibly corrupt statist wife of a creep or a boorish populist statist creep.

      1. Don’t forget the globalist/nationalist distinction.

    3. Parsing sentences is not a partisan effort. The fact that Trump bullshitting about grabbing women is not an admission to any crime has NOTHING to do with my vote.

      1. I probably accidentally replied to you. Thought it was a new thread.

        1. TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUMP!

    4. “”No really =. Mature adults should treat the media storm of partisan shitslinging *seriously*.””

      (Makes serious face)

  22. But that’s not quite right, because, again, Trump already admitted on camera to committing these exact crimes.

    You are aware that there are still libel laws on the books, aren’t you?

    1. Yeah, I’m very far from a Trump supporter but fuck, that’s an outrageously irresponsible statement from a respectable magazine.

      Trump admitted to no crimes whatsoever. He was bragging about being able to pressure women into letting him touch them. It’s sleazy but not illegal because the crucial word in his claim is LET, as in they let him do this because he’s so rich and famous and powerful (according to the word of a known liar).

      The audio in no way substantiates the claims of these two women.

  23. “Jessica Leeds, now 74”

    So it definitely didn’t happen.

    1. There’s a goddamned clip of her saying (today) she was cool with Trump going to second base but that she tagged him out on his way to third.

  24. I’m not suggesting this is the case, but the causality could also be entirely backwards.

  25. I hate everyone involved in this.

    I hate you, Robby, for making a buck screeching about rude people. The word “deplorable” should be removed from your thesaurus for ten years; you don’t know what to do with it. You’ve got nothing. You’ve got less than nothing. There is certainly nothing here to justify “SEXUAL ASSAULT” in the headline.

    I hate everyone who thinks “rape culture” is best and only addressed by scolding every man with lust in his eyes – in other words, every man – and harassing people who haven’t done anything. I’m sure if y’all tried harder y’all could make it a little clearer that the plight of rape victims exists solely for your sense of validation. Fuck you. Cunts.

    I hate feminists. Eat a bag of dicks, and at least then you’d have some value to society. Useless, nagging, hysterical incompetent fucks, the lot of you. Wash out your vag and do something. I’m doing several somethings right this second, all of which you disapprove.

    All the heinous, unstoppable shit going on right now, and we’ve got to talk about Donald J Motherfucking Trump. I’m already at Peak Trump. Couldn’t despise the guy more unless he gutted an infant on live TV. But I got lots of room to think less of every speculating rush-to-profit ninny leaping – I say LEAPING – out in front of the hatewagon.

    Wtf. Fuck everyone involved, including me for encouraging this fucking bullshit.

    1. by scolding every man with lust in his eyes – in other words, every man –

      Gammas, like Robby, never experience lust. Though with a lot of work he might become a delta one day and then the livestock better watch out.

      1. Naw, Robbie’s not a bad dude. It’s just that he’s young and naive. He had this illusion that guys with good hair are really getting all the pussy. Then he learned that old boors with shit hair, like Trump, are actually getting the most quality and quantity of pussy because BILLIONS OF FUCKING DOLLARS buys that shit!

        Yeah, I feel your pain too, Robby, I know, I’ve been there, it’s not fair. Now man the fuck up and stop whining and writing like a mangina, it’s fucking embarrassing!

        1. If I were Robbie’s boss I’d take him of the college and SJW beat for a couple of years and assign him to doing military stories, reporting on construction work or the meat packing industry. The boy really needs to get out more.

        2. “He had this illusion that guys with good hair are really getting all the pussy.”

          Are you accusing Soave of sexual assault?

      2. Yeah, alpha bro! Crush some puss!

    2. That was beautiful. I cried. Damnit, going to shoot myself up with DOUBLE fucking dose of monster T now, you fucking sadist!

    3. In terms of journalism, that beats Robby’s article. It should actually replace the latter, since Young already covered this more competently.

    4. It’s a political campaign.

      And the man abuses his authority, walks in on naked teenagers to get a glimpse of their naked teenage bodies, then brags about doing so on radio.

      Yeah this is a real fucking collective issue here. Damn the media!

      1. “And the man abuses his authority”

        Oh mah gawds! His authority… wait, what authority? Trump has no authority, Tony, in case you’re still sober and not completely brain dead (doubtful on both counts).

        Now, tell us again, Tony, how you would like for Obama to murder libertarians without a trial, just cuz? Come on, we know you can do it, and it’s so entertaining!

        1. The authority of owning the pageant, just as he boasted about?

          1. So, no authority.

            Got it.

        1. A presidential candidate’s abusive pederasty may not be the biggest problem, but he probably shouldn’t be president.

          1. Pederasty – noun – sexual activity between a boy an a man.

            Are you just throwing buzzwords out there? Is pederasty even remotely a relevant word to the subject at hand?

            Welll, fuck, if we’re playing buzzword pokemon here, well then, Coldhearted As Charity, I chose you!

            *throws it at your face*

            1. Fine, he wants to fuck 15 year-old girls. I guess that means he can be president now.

              Sometimes, you fucktards, I wonder about you.

              1. Yeah, the story quotes 74- and 22- year old women, but it’s amazing how everyone doesn’t leap to pederasty and 15-year old girls from there. Fucking amazing. Coz these are the same things. Every lust-bearing man knows this.

                And anyone who won’t vote for Hillary over this is clearly just not woke to victim hierarchy. Tell us more.

  26. Twitter skwerlz ate that Limbaugh quote you failed to paste, Robbie

  27. One of the stories that Megan Kelly is strumpeting is a women who was seated next to a plane with trump in the early nineties, and Trump surreptitiously raised the arm and grabbed her leg.

    My wife thought the story stunk because it wasn’t comment for planes at that time to have retractable arm rests.
    I think it’s bunk because I doubt that Trump,was flying commercial then.

    Oh, and no verification of any of the details about the flight.

    1. Is Megan still jealous because Trump didn’t grab her pussy? It’s ok, Megan, when a guy has access to millions of pussies to grab, I can see why a bitch like you would get passed by. Get over it.

  28. This shit is just painful to read. The formatting is horrible.

    1. The formatting? Did you read the article? It could have been from Jezebel.

      1. No, the formatting is so shitty and messy that it compelled me not to read. I’m getting more out of the comment banter.

        1. Of course you’re getting more of out of the comment banter. Because we ARE fucking Reason. Without us, they will wilt and die a premature death. They now exist only because of us, and hopefully are wise enough to know it.

          1. Commentariat to Reason staff:

            “You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it.”

          2. There was a waiter once who mockingly said that we cooks were nothing without him.

            The orders were all tagged with the waiter’s number.

            Just guess how that worked out.

            He still has no clue how his orders always went out last. None at all. He also still thinks waiters rule the restaurant, poor guy.

            They don’t get 50 comments without us, let alone 500. Postrel might think us all so very beneath her pearls of wisdom, but in truth her words are the grunting of swine without reader comments to elevate it to something more important.

            Fuck you, Postrel. Any writer who is “too good” for their audience rightly doesn’t have one.

            1. That makes sense; you do have the attitude of a cook.

    2. The twiter shit where he posts a link to an image of text and acts like there is actually a quote on the page

  29. Since we’re already distorting the views of any public figures to the right of Bernie Sanders this evening, maybe we can re-read that Rush Limbaugh quote. Jeff (LAOL-VA) or whatever the fuck his name is can’t read to save his life.

    1. He’s deliberately misreading it.

      This is the #NeverTrump Ardennes Counteroffensive

      1. I’d rather not give him the benefit of the doubt, SIV. That he is deliberately misreading it means he’s smart enough to work an angle; I think Jeff and people like him are stupider than day-old dishwater.

    2. I have to Eddie my comment because I’m so pissed by this Jeff character.

      I read this and halfway through it dawned on me w/horror that Limbaugh was talking about the primacy of consent as if *it was a problem*.

      Moron. What he’s saying, which you might have picked up on if you weren’t so eager to find WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE RAPE CULTURE PATRIARCHY out in the wild, is that consent is the only sexual hangup millennials have, that these kids today, they’ll fuck anyone and anything.

      It’s a stupid, old-fashioned way of thinking, that there’s one and only one way to have sex, but Rush isn’t saying that consent is a problem.

    3. It reads like Limbaugh complaining that those weirdos get to sodomize and have orgies without anyone raising a stink, but bizarrely draw the line at consent. No?

  30. Just for the record, when they come at us for money in a couple of months, I’m gonna keep giving in spite of Robby.

    1. Like I need another Reason T-shirt.

      1. The fucks sent mine to the wrong address last year. I still don’t have one. (harumph)

    2. I want one of their funding goals to be a public stockade wherein we can throw rotten vegetables at the Reason writer of our collective choice. I think Soave’s getting up there.

      1. Shouting politically incorrect things at him will hurt his feelings and be more effective.

    3. You should give it to Trump. That’ll show em!

      1. Fuck Donald Trump.

        Hillary Clinton took money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

        1. And really isn’t this the worst part of the whole situation? No one is paying attention to the myriad of criminal offenses Hillary has committed. It’s fucking insane.

    1. None of those better be circumcised!

  31. The edge of tomorrow flounders on the frantic fringe of today
    nightmares delete joy when the mind is dark on the pillow
    Mental lookouts situated on the cliffs of the pulse in odd angular suits blur
    the drab juice of pulses scattered across the cellular thickness of terminals
    marching to the billion trillion orders of your fucking reality conjurer

    merging collapsing tendrils wriggling and spilling across angry divides
    reconstitute like pathways lined with disparate angels and edges of
    horror erupt into the smash brain holograms
    and the next alley the fucking decade over all the liquid recoils
    get all blended and mixed like foxhole mud luncheons

    sex with men and women is the goddamn best, man
    something is fucking up the simplicity of this lovely meshing
    chocolate asteroid of gentle bridges to the misty internal svelte castles

    1. You have any prog friends, AC? Just curious if they ever read your lines.

  32. OT: Poor David French, Evan McMullin has his eye on the prize in Utah. That could have been all yours, baby bitch, but you didn’t take the ball and run with it. Stupid bastard.

    1. I think Mr. French is a member of the wrong tribe. He wouldn’t have a chance unless he wore his magical garments

  33. Better title:

    “Do Donald Trumps Frenzied Pussy Grabbing Rampages Call to Mind Images of Supermarket Sweep?”

    1. Does pussy grabbing take coupons?

      1. Pussy grabbing lets you use coupons.

        1. Well, fuck, I never really liked using coupons before, but…

  34. Become my friend Soave
    which is impossible because I
    limit my lifetime of deep friends to
    two and one is a fucking 45-total-year
    cokehead-vicodine-lsd florida man with thick black machetes
    and the other is a handsome
    intelligent oddity with genius capability
    but who drives drunk on back roads constantly
    -no pussies fucked without consent, bitch

    Never a single one… and agile swings with a sweet rich blonde his
    fucking ship has roamed the long seas with for 20 somethin years

    YOUR USA might be rape culture…
    Agile done seen it all before and downtown turned inside outside and uptown
    but rape culture? Where we play underneath the unfinished ceilings laws are more real
    than washington knows.

    you might find that shit in the world your fucking letters collide with on the upstate culture
    where the fucking mascots and ivy bricks roam but not in the deep down below underneath the Ohio timber
    where Pinker and Dennett foist their fancy invisible fisticuffs against the lost forces of angel comets

    1. DC and the cosmotarians can’t go where the Agile flows.

      1. DC batteries that don’t jostle to run on Hyp juice
        fucking get roasted on the old roads where some bitch left a single cobblestone
        underneath all that bionic jerky twisty disco
        trippy movements, fucking red brick angst in stripe suits
        and sweaty fucking bullshit and heels that feel like hell
        in the armbar city of world skittering..

        Fixit with Hyp
        Killit with Hyp
        Juice it with Hyp

        1. I’d like to meet you one day.

  35. I’m not going to try and parse all of Limbaugh’s mumbo-jumbo, but as with most Limbaugh quotes, this one seems like it is taken out of context.

    It seems to me like Limbaugh is claiming the left uses the term “consent” to enforce their version of morality. Which, if we read Robby’s own writing about campus sexual assaults, Limbaugh has a point.

    1. Limbaugh chooses his words very carefully.

      1. SIV agrees, which means I must rethink everything.

        “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Crustys.”

    2. I read Limbaugh not as attacking consent, but as trying to change the subject to gay butt sex and BDSM and whatnot.

      Basically he’s trying to attack the morality of gross kinds of consensual sex to avoid talking about nonconsensual activity.

      He doesn’t really have a point or make any sense; that said it isn’t ‘rape apology.’

      1. I 100% agree with your last sentence. The point: relying upon media matters for Rush Limbaugh quotes is fucking retarded. There are many things to disagree with Rush Limbaugh on, but taking what he says out of context is not only lame, it is something meant for Talking Points Memo.

      2. I don’t see how you’re getting that interpretation. The complaint that “But if the left ever senses that there is no consent in part of the equation, then here come the rape police,” indicates that he thinks a lack of consent is not a problem. That part has nothing to do with non-traditional sex.

        1. Yeah I missed that clause. I never really consider anything he writes worth more attention than a quick skim. If I were inclined to defend him, and thought him capable this level of reasoning, I’d speculate that he were merely disagreeing with “the left’s” definition of consent; that is, rebuking the ‘affirmative consent’ standard in favor of the more typical ‘qui tacit consentire videtur’ standard of consent.

          More likely, he’s just a team player. “It’s sexual assault when their guy does, it not when our guy does it.” But that’s not him expressing a consistent ‘pro-rape’ position, and for a case in point (and not really to his credit), the moment a Democrat is accused of sexual misconduct, Limbaugh et al. turn into Dworkinesque feminists who are appalled at Weiner’s/Clinton’s/Whoever’s ‘objectification of women, just the same way radical feminist Democrats who will lynch a guy the moment he’s accused will suddenly turn into Atticus Finch the moment one of their own gets accused.

  36. So I’ve described this election as America’s Venezuela moment. Doesn’t look I’m too far off:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V…..tion,_2013

    The campaign was characterised by insults from both sides. Examples include Maduro calling Capriles “Prince of the Bourgeoisie” and “capricious”, while Capriles described Maduro as “Satan”[19] and as “bird brain”, “great fool”, and “liar”.[20] Maduro also “employed comments that were regarded as homophobic, calling Capriles a ‘little princess’ while declaring ‘I have my woman, I like women’.”[20] In the campaign, Maduro sang a rap song in which he described his opponent as “the little bourgeois shit who shits himself of fear when the people raise their voice”. He also implied that Capriles was gay, referring to him being unmarried. Capriles then said he loves so many women he can’t decide. He also declared that Maduro’s wife was ugly and asked who wants to be with her.

  37. That Trump is a serial sexual assaulter and quasi-pedophile isn’t the first reason you idiots should have stopped supporting him. But I see that you idiots are still supporting him.

    1. Hey Tony, tell us again about how you hate poor people. Come on Tony, everyone loves that story, it’s so fun!

      1. Brave libertarian. I have more respect for Jill Stein voters. And that is just fucking sad.

    2. Tony|10.12.16 @ 11:25PM|#
      “But I see that you idiots are still supporting him.”

      “you idiots”, as in SIV and one or two others? Cite missing.

      1. Not too late to get right with Jesus and hop the MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN train, grandpa.

        1. Aren’t you older than Sevo?

          1. I’m younger than our president !

            My SS “contributions” pay Sevo’s condo fees

    3. Innocent until proven guilty only applies to Clintons.

      In all seriousness, who are ‘you?’ John and SIV? Or is not supporting Hillary equal to supporting Trump? If I vote for Gary Johnson does that make me rapist, Tony?

      1. Voting third-party always means you are aiding the Republican or Democrat you like less. Duh. Do you prefer the one who probably actually wants to fuck his daughter?

  38. Goddamned it! Another post. About sex. 130 comments, so far.
    OK OK. Nobody post anything else for like 15 minutes while i catch up, ok?
    Cool

  39. OK, i read the article. Somebody fill me in on the comments; what line are we busting on Robby/Robby is trolling us?

  40. And I don’t know why everyone’s bitching about the author. Robby did his utmost in craven pandering absurdity with his obligatory expression of equivalence between Trump and Bill Clinton. The latter isn’t actually running to be president. He already was president for two terms.

    1. You’re getting everything you want, like always, and yet you’re still a miserable cunt.

      1. He’s not bitching to change things, he bitches just because he’s a bitch.

      2. Well stop being fucking idiots and maybe you’ll get what you want sometime.

    2. yes, and while he was president – even before that – his wife, who is running, not only enabled his predatory behavior, she also went after the women involved. Actions, words; see if you can spot the difference.

      1. No fair having someone with such small hands up your backside flapping your mouth and making it speak words.

      2. Plus, if Hillary were not married to Bill Clinton, she never would have held public office, never mind run for president.

        1. i think she definitely would’ve held public office. the white house would’ve been less likely b/c her personal political skill is virtually non-existent.

    3. Hey, Tony, do you still have the pictures of cruise missiles that you want Obama to kill innocent Americans with? You’re such a celebrity Tony! Don’t disappoint us, show us again? Tell us about how you want presidents to become dictators so they can just kill Americans for fun! Come on, you can do it!

    4. Things were much simpler to diagnose when Robby was on House, M.D.

    5. “The latter isn’t actually running to be president. He already was president for two terms.”

      When did this talking point hit the proggie web-sites? One day ago?
      Prior to that, the pitch was ‘he lends his experience’; now it’s ‘he’s in no way associated with here’.
      Tony, shove it up your ass.

    6. Tony! You lying, miserable excuse for a… I’m kidding! Nah really, you’re great, salt of the earth.
      So no, Bill, the guy who serially assaults women, isn’t running. His wife, Hillary, the woman who used scorched-earth tactics against her husband’s victims, is running.
      But, hey! The good news is that it’s a two-for-one deal!
      Vote for the felon, get a free sexual predator!

      1. A TWOFER! Luv it!

    7. And his wife kept riding his coat tails well after that. But whatevs, it was so long ago.

      1. So should the news media ignore Trump’s sexual assault history or…?

        1. If there is ever any ever credible evidence of Trump actually committing sexual assault, which there so far hasn’t been, then maybe we can compare it to Bill’s list of very credible victims.

          1. Victim/witness testimony? Is Bill Cosby also probably innocent?

        2. A partial list of Bill’s victims.

          Notice the accusations were made contemporaneously, not 30 years later timed to spike a political campaign.

    8. Trump is running to be Hillary Clinton’s husband. It all makes sense now.

  41. Soave is cutting the cord
    to the musty basement of
    a million old records all made
    before his shit was spat from
    a quivering vagina

    Soave, one of the striding warriors of
    free speech on this rag has succumbed
    to the compression of societal transformative heaviness
    that is wont to afflict the barging strong human that has
    only caught a five pound flathead next to uncle Fat Bacon
    underneath a muddy moon outside a fucking Northern
    Ohio creek in early Fall underneath the fucking worst bridge
    on that fucking bullshit of a highway leading to the Cedar Point…

    man, I fucking have done this shit with uncle Fat Bacon many FUCKING times
    as a small man… under muddy moons pissing on the back of my FUCKING neck, man

    1. Preach on, Brother Cyborg.

  42. Is there any evidence that either of these women was ever in the same room with Trump?

    I don’t like the guy either, but “Yeah, at some point in some year I was on an airplane with this guy”. Prove you were on a plane with him, and I’ll believe you.

    Crooks is a bit of a better bet, since she worked in a Trump building, but the description of it is “he shook my hand, then kissed both my cheeks and my lips” (ie. trying to look cool/metropolitan/”French style” greeting/etc). Creepy? Yes, absolutely. Would I do that? No chance in hell.

    There are ample legitimate reasons not to vote for this SOB (and equally ample reasons not to vote for Clinton), but these stories reek.

  43. It’s frustratingly difficult to argue the U.S. is not a rape culture when one candidate is a sexual predator and the other is married to Bill Clinton.

    Candidates for…. Pater Patriae? No? Fuck off Robbie. For someone who supposedly writesupchucks their feelings for reason, conflating two candidates and the country is inexcusable. Maybe Don Boudreaux could stop by one of these days and bitch slap your fruit sushi face until you figure that out.

    1. Beat me to it.

  44. what’s the over/under on how long that quote from limbaugh magically disappears from his site?

  45. “Frustratingly difficult to argue U.S. is not a rape culture when one candidate is a sexual predator and the other is married to Bill Clinton”

    Uh, no. Fail.
    Trump and the Clintons in no way reflect the ‘culture’ of most of the US.

    1. Thank you.

      Robby, all that Trump and Clinton are evidence of is that powerful people tend to have few if any scruples. In Clinton’s case, you can be a sexual predator and still get to live in the White House with nary a peep from the loudest feminists.

      1. Robby didn’t write that, it was Cathy Young.

    1. Some gold in those comments.

      I assume they’re dudes: only guys talk about sexually aggressing people, amirite? #lockerrooms

      “” I read librarian at first LOL. He’s cute. I’d fuck him. You’d probably need a gag and wouldn’t want to hangout with him afterwards. He looks like the type who never shuts the fuck up.

      Another low-rent ho whose career is based on telling lies for the one percent. How is this different from Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck?

      Libertarian?

      Yeah, right. You cannot justify murdering innocent people with government drones and call yourself libertarian.

      I don’t want to listen to Robby on the radio. I just want him to lick my nuts while I run my fingers through his adorable hair.””

      1. Yeah, right. You cannot justify murdering innocent people with government drones and call yourself libertarian.

        It’s…it’s like they’ve never visited the site.

  46. Robby, you fucking idiot.

    Consent is good… Well then how the hell do you define consent? Sex is too dynamic, too in the moment to be something done like a fucking (heh) step by step process.

    Therefore the left will push this until, yes, to really be free to not get your ass accused of rape, you either have to have a signed sex contract, or abstain. Don’t try the tell me the left will not push this to that level. There is no evidence that they will constrain or hold back their witch hunts. Escalation towards total control is the name of their game.

    This ain’t the right’s fault and you’re just a useful idiot to think the left won’t abuse this for more control.

    1. Oh come on, sex is going to be so much more fun when the government micromanages it. I mean, every American should have a chaperone like they did back during the 1800s. It’s just so in now, I mean it’s the rage. If you were hip like the Cosmos, you’d totally get it. Cosmos love when their government chaperone comes along on a date with all the proper consent forms, it just is so comforting and puts everyone in the mood and all!

    2. My god. What you people will do to defend your Dear Leader Trump.

      Consent is the basis of all noncoercive human interaction… and you’re throwing it to the four winds to defend your indefensible clown of a candidate.

    3. “There is no evidence that they will constrain or hold back their witch hunts.”

      Just wait till Bubba Clinton has access to White House interns again. This stuff will be a private matter that we should not pay any attention to, at least for him.

  47. Knew who wrote this just from the headline.

    Where did Reason find this guy? This reads like something from a high school Composition class. Is Robby the intern, or are they actually paying him to write this stuff?

    The bar at Reason is so much higher than this. I have too much respect for Nick to think this is the direction in which he wants to take it.

    Reason just fell from the #1 libertarian/political blog with this article. Thumb up Robby!

    1. I think they might need to take a very serious look at giving more time to C.J. Ciaramella, who wrote the article on the drug war this morning. Now that was some serious journalism.

      1. Yes that is the kind of writing I expect from Reason.

  48. Michael West is an expert forensic investigator in the kiss and grope marks left by sexual predators. Call in the motherfucker.

  49. Yes, it’s frustratingly difficult to argue a country of 320 million people is not a rape culture because two people have been accused with no proof of sexual assault.

    1. Robbie seems prone to forelock-tugging for reasons which must make sense to him

  50. Printing presses transmitting the gilded stew of trembling writers rapping tabletops next to thin candles near cold nights and frustrated horror under the gloom of times lost to us.
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    1. Hot tip, my friend. Not that I’m saying anything, because I’m not and I wouldn’t. You’re a peach. Never change. Just thought you’d enjoy it.

      1. Doom furry- the button did not work

        1. You can’t report a redneck as spam, we keep trying to make fried sandwiches with it and the system just throws out error messages in self-defense.

        2. Does this one work? It’s really very useful, joking aside, I’m hoping you get to take a gander at it.

          You know, Agile, just between you, me, and the entire late-night board, we really have enough writers around here for a group. Maybe we should, like, talk together and shit.

          1. I suck lovely Furry
            I claim no talent
            or some such bullshit

            Hamsters of Drear, however…
            win because the Reason Hamster is a fucking beast of a hamster

            fuck me… i can’t write a single fucking bullshit nothing because air isn’t a sentence

            1. Stop reading your words through your own eyes, and read them through mine. You’re amazing. Fantastic. Writing is like giving birth to a rhinocerous through the pores of your forehead. It’s like painting, only the canvas is a stranger’s head and the paint is shadows and innuendo. Writing is hard. And sometimes, my little sugar butt, you get it exactly right and what’s there is magic. Fucking magic.

              You gots that, brah. I have utmost faith in your ability. What you have is amazing.

          2. Hamster, does this mean you’ll be participating in the National Novel Writing Month?

            1. I’ve done NaNoWriMo. It’s a beast. Is this you saying you’re down? Because I’ve already got you down for snacks at the HyR writer’s group, so now you have no choice.

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  53. Who cares what the accusations against Trump are. They’re early salvos in a month-long campaign, and the inevitable result is Trump’s total implosion. It’s foregone, as it’s been since he entered the race as Clinton’s sole contender. They kept their best stuff for Trump’s October surprise. It’s done and over with. He never had any shot of winning.

    What’s to be wondered now are whether his moronic supporters are going to punish Republicans, actual Republicans, for the fact that Trump was an inartful, dishonest, incapable, and profoundly incompetent campaigner. What matters now is whether the country cedes to the Dems unilateral control of Congress, once again, or if it limps along with the pretense of an opposition in Congress.

    And before the Trumpkins come along, yeah, I get it, the ‘pubs need to be taught a lesson, some inarticulate lesson, because they’ve been less than faithful to whatever it is the Trumpkins want to pin on them. Whatever. But the last time the country gave unilateral control to the Democrats, we effectively nationalized a fifth of the US economy. And it’s not like they’re setting aside their steak knives in gratitude. So bear that in mind when you go to punish down-ballot Republicans for the indiscretion of opposing your execrable loser candidate.

    1. It’s cute to see Reasonoids suddenly defending Congressional Republicans and calling the Republicans the lesser of two evils…

      1. I could give a shit. I can’t name my own state’s senators. Who cares? They’re nameless, faceless nobodies. The point is, at this point in time, the best libertarians can hope for is strategic stalemate, and that means propping up the stupid party in opposition to the evil party. The last time we had unilateral rule, we got the mess that is Obamacare. The next route means total consolidation of power among Dems. And the Trumpolos are promising exactly that.

        1. I’m registered to vote in two states and live in a third. I’m not even sure which senators are my state’s senators.

        2. The Republicans will in no way restrain Hillary. For fucks sake, the IRS commissioner flat out committed perjury before congress while under congressional subpoena, and they can’t even hold him to account. Queen Hillary will ride roughshod over the Republicans even more so than Obama.

    2. Dems have only had nominal unilateral control of government four 4 whole years since Reagan. Really. And much of that was filibustered. So you can’t really blame them for much.

      1. “The party that has been ineffectual since 1989”.

        This is not an argument in favor.

        1. Ineffectual at rigging the country’s election systems in their favor, yes. I totally agree.

          1. They’re making up for it in spades this year

            See what I did? Spades?

            Ahaha.

            No, they’re just controlling asshats who suck at everything except their psychotic need to control everyone else for their own personal benefit. That’s all. And they’re not even very good at that. They keep tipping their hand that they make money off the deprivation of others, which just ruins their holy narrative.

            Maybe Hilary should crucify herself for our sins and then we’d REALLY see what she suffered for mankind. But it won’t work if we all see the dollar signs. So you’ll have to hide those, maybe in some “charitable” foundation.

      2. Sure Tony, and the democrats had filibuster-proof control of congress for two whole years with a democrat president, and what did they do with that power other than ass-fuck health insurance for everyone?

  54. Possibly relevant- at typical female prog’s response to Lubricated William’s escapades:

    “Oooh, imagine swallowing the presidential cum.”- Erica Jong, writer and self-described feminist

    The main advantages of a Trump win are the entertainment value of endless proggy tantrums and sweet, sweet gridlock.

    1. Were any of these faux-feminists ogling Obama’s cock like the sluts for powermongers they pretend to not be?

    2. Derp, I’m pretty sure of one outcome after the first Tuesday in Nov; Clinton’s gonna take it in a landslide.
      I’m also pretty sure she is trusted by the population and the DC poobahs at just about the level of the the local used-car sales-guy.
      So I’m feeling better about this clown-vs-clown fiasco; the felonious clown will win and I’m pretty sure we’ll have some welcome gridlock.

      1. Hmm, well Hillary’s blatant corruption and incompetence has some entertainment value too.

        Speaking of clowns, McDonald’s has decided to limit the appearances of Ronald McDonald until the Great Clown Panic of 2016 dies down.

  55. This election is a shit show. The Clintons win, that is almost sure. Liberty loses, but that was a foregone conclusion. The ray of hope is that more people see it for what it is, a thieving clown fiesta thrown by degenerate power worshipers.

    1. The only silver lining is that is openly clear that the elites are incredibly corrupt as is the media. Of course that will more likely to some fascist or socialist gaining power…

    2. Liberty lost when Trump got the GOP nomination.

  56. After scanning this article / reading the quotes in the comments section because I don’t waste my time with it anymore; I better go inside and apologize for viciously sexually assaulting and raping my wife for years.

    By the way, no expose and detailed breakdown on the biggest US government leaks that have ever happened? I’ll hold my breath.

    1. By the way, no expose and detailed breakdown on the biggest US government leaks that have ever happened?

      No, Reason is a respectable magazine and respectable media does whatever Hillary tells them to do.

  57. It’s frustratingly difficult to argue the U.S. is not a rape culture when one candidate is a sexual predator and the other is married to Bill Clinton.

    Its amazingly easy to do so if you don’t allow yourself to be swayed by anecdotal evidence, don’t engage in postdiction, look at the underlying numbers and quality of any study. That sort of thing.

    1. Yep, that’s what I say about Juanita Broadrrick.

      1. The rape victim?

  58. Ah, the quadrennial mudbaths of October. Real mud, and fake mud. Real outrage, and fake outrage.

    Hillary is running on challenging the Evil Russians and protecting women’s virtue. Un-fucking-believable. Apparently it’s so important that a president not have a past as a masher that it’s better to elect someone who massively fucked up the country in her last position, sold influence, destroyed records under subpoena, mishandled classified data, lied under oath, has severe neurological and other health problems, a violent temper, and dreams of open borders and gutting the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

    1. Well, you know, other than opening up governments to the effects of free markets, she sounds like a real bitch.

      1. I didn’t know she was a proponent of sea steading.

      2. Yeah, I’m sure Hillary is totally a free-market type. She’ll be cutting regulations and taxes and subsidies all over the place.

        1. Of course she is for free trade. She supports “free trade agreements.” Shit, its right in the title.

          1. Of course she is for free trade. She supports “free trade agreements.”

            Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but in politics, the titles for agreements and laws usually amount to the opposite of their literal meanings.

    2. How about mass collusion with the media? One of the most disturbing things that have came out of the email leaks. Seems like our government is a cartel. Do you think Reason will report on this?

      1. They seem focused on more important issues, like proper courtship methods and the fates of violent morons who get into fights with the police.

      2. A more pertinent question is whether reason is involved in the collusion.

  59. He said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said. She said.

    1. Your boyfriend ramming your head into the keyboard?

    2. So to you, To Kill a Mockingbird is kind of a perversion of justice, huh?

    3. So you agree that Bill Clinton is a serial sexual assaulter and rapist while Hillary ran a war room to attack and smear his victims?

  60. “Two Women say Trump sexually assaulted them in the exact manner he bragged about on tape…. there are no witnesses who can corroborate their claims – except, of course, for Trump himself, who was caught on tape BOASTING ABOUT DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY HE DID (emphasis not mine). ”

    Robby, you seem to be implying that there’s some kind of added credibility to the claims because they match Trump’s boasts. If you wanted to tarnish Trump by making bogus claims of harassment, would you concoct a scenario out of whole cloth, or would you match a scenario for which he has boasted? I’m not saying we have any clue as to whether their claims are true, but the fact that they match his boasts is totally irrelevant.

    1. Rather than defend this giant cantaloupe from what are obviously true accusations of sexual assault, you should just say you think it’s OK to grope women against their will. In a perverse way, it would almost be less pathetic.

      1. Nobody is buying it. It’s deflection for Bill the rapist.

    1. That’s great. I do like the montage of insane PC characters. Best election season ever.

  61. I’ll say it…I’m off the Trump train. It was a fuck you all vote to Clinton, but there’s no point in defending it because Trump is as much of a creep as he bragged about being on that tape. His policies were incoherent and jumbled, he’s inept, and he’s a liar. Why vote for him when there are no redeeming qualities to him at all?

    I’m not voting for Gary Johnson either. Why? Because fuck you, Gary, you cosmotarian piece of shit. Fuck you for being a Republican loser who hid in the LP because you couldn’t cut it in the GOP, fuck your shitty gun-grabbing running mate, fuck your gutless non-libertarian campaign where you wouldn’t stick up for any rights that were remotely unpopular with progs, fuck you for saying nice things about Hildebeast and running the worst campaign I’ve ever seen in a general election, and fuck you twice for taking away the one protest vote (Libertarian) I’d always been proud to cast in the past. Fuck you. Go smoke your fucking pot like the pointless zero you are, climb to the top of Everest again and then throw yourself off. You won’t be missed.

    I’ll be writing in Rand Paul unless Trump does the right thing and quits the election.

    1. I’m not voting for Gary Johnson either. Why? Because fuck you, Gary, you cosmotarian piece of shit. Fuck you for being a Republican loser who hid in the LP because you couldn’t cut it in the GOP, fuck your shitty gun-grabbing running mate, fuck your gutless non-libertarian campaign where you wouldn’t stick up for any rights that were remotely unpopular with progs, fuck you for saying nice things about Hildebeast and running the worst campaign I’ve ever seen in a general election, and fuck you twice for taking away the one protest vote (Libertarian) I’d always been proud to cast in the past. Fuck you. Go smoke your fucking pot like the pointless zero you are, climb to the top of Everest again and then throw yourself off. You won’t be missed.

      *plants feet firmly*

      He’s right, any any of you cochinos who want to argue will have to go through me as well. Coz he’s fucking right.

      1. Gary Johnson could have been a Republican senator in NM. He could have been helping Rand Paul in the Senate pushing libertarian leaning bills. Instead he went this route. I believe he regrets it deeply.

        1. He doesn’t regret it deeply enough because he’s still in the race doing nothing, except turning the messaging over to Bill Weld. He’s still poisoning libertarianism by making it look like half-assed Clinton liberalism.

          1. It’s a shame. I voted for him last time he ran and he has just been such a disappointment this election.

            1. I actively campaigned against him last time. As I recall, I was arguing against him back in Ye Olden Times when Rand Paul was the candidate of choice. (I also scorned Rand Paul. )

              I see nothing to have changed my mind this time around, only more so. Pandering, self-serving shitweasels. You want me to vote for the lesser evil who might leave some of MY pet vices alone? Well then, fuck, the logical choice is Cthulu, and I’m sorry you didn’t see that one coming, asshole, but that’s really not my problem.

              1. I really ought to be more specific that my “you” was directed at the universe in generally rather than at Hurts Donut in specific, because that’s unrealistic.

                He’s always been a lovely person, and I’m sure he pulls off green better than I ever could, pale Kabuki-wearing fucker that I am.

              2. “You want me to vote for the lesser evil who might leave some of MY pet vices alone?”

                Your Chihuahua shootin up?

      2. He’s right, any any of you cochinos who want to argue will have to go through me as well. Coz he’s fucking right.

        Thanks, Ham…you’re cool by me, brother.

    2. Write in Evan McMullin

      Or for fun, MacMuffin

    3. I agree with everything you have said and how and why you said it, but I’m still going to vote for Gary Johnson because a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

      1. I understand and have no criticism for how you choose to vote. I just won’t vote for him because I’m pretty sure, after seeing his embarrassing interview last week on CNN, that he’s cracked under the strain of the race.

        Also, he was the one campaigning on being the adult in the room with the best experience, and his primary contribution to the election was to call Trump a “pussy” (hardly the adult move) and he’s leveraged that experience into a campaign that couldn’t raise any money and looks to garner roughly 10% of the vote, against arguably the two most unpopular candidates in U.S. history, while pushing a basically liberal agenda. So not only is a vote for him settling for a guy who isn’t much of a libertarian, it’s a vote for a non-libertarian who isn’t very good at running for President and would have zero support in Congress if he did win. And I’m not a fan of the argument that if the LP gets 5% of the vote, they get to use taxpayer dollars to run more futile campaigns…if they can’t make a good argument for people to give them money, they can go fail without my tax dollars.

        I’m just going to vote my conscience and go with Rand Paul as a write in. The country can go burn without my vote helping to light the match.

  62. I’m extremely happy seeing one of the world’s worst attention junkies finally get more attention than he had ever bargained for. Poetic justice in a way. Warms the heart to see bad things happen to bad people.

    But now that he’s been eviscerated and dispatched, is there a way we could now turn our sights on the person who is actually going to be the next President and let her have it with both barrels for a while? Is that too much to ask.

    Speaking “truth to power” at this stage does not at all involve Donald Trump.

    1. Amen to that. Let’s see some balls on the part of the Reason staff and see them unleash on Hildebeast. Because they’ve got no excuse for letting her slide as much as they have.

      1. It’s not gonna happen. Trump brings the clicks.

        1. Oh, you bet your sweet bippy that a good, insightful, juicy editorial about the Hil-Cunt would bring in 800 posts.

          As much as being laid down by Drudge? Ho yus, there’s clicks to be had.

          The only question is whether Reason wants those clicks.

          Badly enough to weather the email shitstorm.

          … Well, guys? Well??

          1. I agree. I believe the wiki leaks story is a huge journalistic opportunity for Reason. Many media outlets are ignoring or burying the story. I’m glad we’re on the same page.

            1. This bogus “Trump tried to grope me 30 years ago but I never said anything until now” bullshit is just designed to distract from the Wikileaks story and give the media an excuse not to cover it.

              1. Agree with both of you.

  63. It’s certainly easy to argue that us politics is a rape culture.

  64. Is it time to bring up Bill Clinton’s illegitimate son AND daughter?

    1. We’re too busy doing the Lord’s work to worry about that.

  65. The law and order candidate is a sex offender. Of course he is.

    1. He is? Have you seen actual credible evidence?

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  67. (wakes up, checks reason, sees Robby explaining that we live in a Rapekulture, nods, assumes war with Russia probably broke out and this is his hot-take)

  68. “It’s frustratingly difficult to argue the U.S. is not a rape culture…”

    Horse. Shit.

    You can hang that label on anything if you define it down to suit your purposes, sure. What is difficult is hanging that label on our culture after you find out what a real, no shit rape culture looks like.

    1. And it’s not like it’s all that hard to find actual rape culture.

  69. Would love to stay and contribute but there are only so many hours in the day to rape women and the clock is ticking.

  70. I think Robby is just jealous of all of the attention that Shikha and Sheldon get.

  71. Trump was just teaching those women about border security.

    /Hannity

  72. Looks like you got Ole Trump by the balls there, Robby.

    Oh …

  73. This story would be more convincing if the women’s stories had come out before the tape did. As it is, anybody could listen to the tape and then come up with a story that matches it.

    1. or. The political operatives knew about the tape months ago….found women who could tell a story.
      then, in a coordinated effort….released the tape…..got Trump to deny it specifically at the debate on national TV….then marched out the women to different media outlets to tell their scripted story.

  74. Robby, if contained, it would not be as harmful. But on the Progressive socialist team we have econazi Al Gore no longer joined at the hip because of his penchant for groping and trying to rape massage girls. On the Christian National Socialist team we have Donald Trump (suported by the Wizened Christian Prohibitionist Union) bragging about groping models and debutantes. These are the role models for antiabortion Fascism in Latin America, Sharia law fanatics in the former Ottoman Empire, and the Tea and Consta-to-shun parties in These States.
    The Dixie Chicks saw this coming and raised the alarm!

  75. Robby, if contained, it would not be as harmful. But on the Progressive socialist team we have econazi Al Gore no longer joined at the hip because of his penchant for groping and trying to rape massage girls. On the Christian National Socialist team we have Donald Trump (suported by the Wizened Christian Prohibitionist Union) bragging about groping models and debutantes. These are the role models for antiabortion Fascism in Latin America, Sharia law fanatics in the former Ottoman Empire, and the Tea and Consta-to-shun parties in These States.
    The Dixie Chicks saw this coming and raised the alarm!

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  77. I still don’t see how this is relevant to the election. We aren’t electing a “counselor in chief” or a “priest in chief”, we are electing the POTUS, and what matters is his policies, not where his wandering hands wander.

    I have a reasonable degree of confidence that Trump won’t be groping women while he is president. I also have a reasonable degree of confidence that Hillary will continue to lie and sell out the US government to billionaires and oppressive regimes.

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