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Bill Weld: Carl Bernstein's Speculation That I Will Drop Out to Help Hillary Clinton Is 'Wishful Thinking' (UPDATED)

"Under no circumstances will our energies be diverted from our goal of winning the election," Weld says in response to Watergate journalist's suggestion that he might bolt.

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On Friday, legendary Watergate investigative journalist Carl Bernstein broke a six-week Twitter silence to say this:

Bernstein, whose last book was 2007's A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton, did not clarify whether his "Stay tuned" advice was to await his further reporting on the matter, or to collectively see whether his hunch turns out to be true, or just to keep the television on for upcoming cable news appearances. The latter theory looks more likely after Bernstein's double-dip this weekend on CNN, beginning with this interview by Don Lemon last night, in which the only insider information the investigative journalist shares is that he's known Bill Weld "for a long time." Aside from that, it's mostly a speculative warning from a Clinton-centric point of view. Excerpt:

I know how much he despises Donald Trump. He worked with Hillary Clinton on the impeachment committee of Richard Nixon, he's known her for many years, he has respect for her. Weld says he got into this race as a real alternative. He no longer is a real alternative, and I believe that there could be some pressure brought on him to say "To hell with this Libertarian stuff right now, that's another day to fight for Libertarianism. Right now we have to keep Donald Trump out of the White House." And I think he might do it, he might campaign for her, he might go out and talk to these Millennials who indeed are peeling away from Hillary Clinton in a dangerous way […]

Look, Bill Weld does not want to be Ralph Nader, and help elect a president of the United States such as Nader did in Florida in the case of George Bush. There's a real underlying story here, and I think in the next few days we're gonna have a chance to look at it. The other thing is, Weld by now must have a pretty good idea that he is running on a ticket headed by a flake. Let's really talk about Mr. "Where is Aleppo" who's really in this race partly to advance a marijuana initiative as much as anything else. And he's taking time off from marijuana during the campaign, he says, and he's not gonna take too many tokes during the campaign. This is a bit of a joke at this point, and I think if Weld is smart he might get the hell out. And he could be a hero in this—and look, Bill Weld would like to be a hero, he would like to be relevant again in the political discourse. He's certainly not relevant in a positive way where he is right now, and I would look to some real thought of him renouncing the Libertarian candidacy that his represented by himself and get off the ticket.

That sounds a lot more like someone trying to pressure Bill Weld than someone who has knowledge that Bill Weld is about to yield to pressure. Yet here was Bernstein on this morning's Reliable Sources*:

I was the one that first reported, I think, that Bill Weld, I believe, is thinking about dropping out of this race if it looks like he and Gary Johnson might get Donald Trump elected. Weld despises Trump. It's a big story. I don't think he's made up his mind to drop out, but I think it's certainly a possibility down towards and after the first debate, if it looks like his candidacy would help Trump, and that he would then renounce his candidacy and go out and help Hillary Clinton, who he served with on the impeachment committee of Richard Nixon. So stay tuned on that.

Sounds serious, right? Er, signs point to no. Weld released the following statement this afternoon**:

I strongly believe that our Libertarian ticket of two former two-term Governors, fiscally responsible and socially inclusive, is the best bet for America in this year's election.

Gary Johnson and I will campaign with all our strength to make that case to the American people from now until November 8th. Under no circumstances will our energies be diverted from our goal of winning the election and serving our country.

And in a comment to CNN, Weld attributed Bernstein's remarks to "wishful thinking on the part of the two-party duopoly."

Libertarian Party National Committee Chair Nicholas Sarwark did not seem too worried about the prospects of a defecting Weld this morning:

Via DM, Sarwark told me that Weld's performance at a big L.P. rally in Seattle last night "was not one of a guy considering dropping out," and added: "I don't know which explanation is sadder: that a once respected journalist is reduced to making up stories to sell his book or that a Presidential candidate has to use her biographer to attack Gary Johnson because she's afraid to do it herself."

In several interviews with Reason throughout the summer, Weld has been critical of Gary Johnson's three-word description of Clinton on CNN as a "wonderful public servant." When I interviewed the ticket at FreedomFest in July, here's how Weld put it:

There are a couple of answers I have given in the media appearances that we've done that I would like to have back. And they were, you know, "If you guys don't win," you know, "would you vote for Trump or Mrs. Clinton?" And I've sort of come pretty close to saying Mrs. Clinton. As a matter of fact, in the CNN one, I think I did. As we've gone along, I think Gary and I have gotten more and more in the frame of mind not only are we in this because we think we have a chance to win, but we can see the path now. So, all I'm thinking about now is winning the whole shooting match, and if I got that question now, the next time I get that question, I'm going to be smart enough and disciplined enough to give the answer that Gary has always given, which is, "Look, I don't know. There's going to be a Libertarian on the ballot, and I'm voting Libertarian, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over that." […]

That's a very tactful way of me saying maybe Gary would like to have back those three little words, "wonderful public servant."

Bill Weld has been a controversial pick among Libertarians, barely squeaking by on the second ballot at the Libertarian National Convention. But as odd and/or not-particularly-libertarian Weld has seemed at times during the campaign, I would be flabbergasted if Bernstein's speculation proved remotely true. The would-be veep's critiques of Clinton have gotten more pointed with each passing day, and nothing about running as a third-party outsider makes you one iota fonder of the power-mad duopoly. I think Bernstein's full of hot air.

Meanwhile, the Libertarian ticket will be interviewed by Steve Kroft on tonight's 60 Minutes at 7:30 ET. Read about that and watch a preview here.

* Updated to include transcript of interview.

** Updated to include Weld's full statement.

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416 responses to “Bill Weld: Carl Bernstein's Speculation That I Will Drop Out to Help Hillary Clinton Is 'Wishful Thinking' (UPDATED)

  1. I thought Bernstein wanted to expose corruption, not help put kleptocrats in office.

    1. It’s only corruption when Republicans do it. When Democrats do it, it’s smart politics.

      1. And they all feel the need to find another Watergate.

        (Of course, I’m the commenter who bitches endlessly about the need to retire the fucking -gate suffix already.)

        1. I’ll second that

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        2. Too bad something like having a sec of state who broke every law, regulation and protocol wrt to national security run for president didn’t happen.

          1. Colin Powell told her to! Should he be in jail too?

            Um….

            1. Bitch set him up

            2. Both of them in jail is an acceptable compromise.

          2. sec of state who broke every law, regulation and protocol wrt to national security

            Sec-State-Gate!

        3. It’s a gatepocalypse.

          1. -gates all the way down.

            1. Bill & Melinda, Robert, Henry Louis, and The Ghost of Daryl all agree with this.

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              2. Also the Gatekeeper media.

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  2. The Dems are switching into the panic mode. Nice.

  3. Would anybody other than hard-boiled political junkies even notice if Weld dropped out? He’s the VP candidate. Who cares.

    1. Yeah, but he’s the top of the ticket and Johnson is the bottom.

      1. Huh?

        Weld is a nobody.

        He’s never been anything but a nobody.

        Not many would care if he vanished off the face of the earth tomorrow.

        1. He was calling Gary Johnson a homo.

          1. You know, I eventually got that.

            Lol @ me.

            1. I never get Warty’s jokes.

              Maybe I need to be held in his lair or something.

              1. Please, no…. we would rather you be whole and sane, Rufus.

                1. Sane?

        2. He actually was once considered a rising star in the republican party…

          1. …not that he’s bitter or anything!

          2. Then the alcohol took over and Weld’s political career fizzled like a wet firecracker.

            1. I have commented that Shit Flopney is basically a younger William Weld without the booze, blow, and gin blossoms.

              WE ARE THE WELD!

  4. Oh, the way I saw progs jump on this as soon as it was tweeted.

    Complete wishful thinking.

    1. Indeed. There’s a reason they Go West, Your Highness.

    2. It’s not just wishful thinking, it’s a desperate political ploy. Of course this was coordinated with the Hillary campaign via whatever they call JournoList these days.

      1. whatever they call JournoList these days

        I’d say Buzzfeed Slack, but they aren’t that clever. It’s just text messages among each other.

  5. As usual the LP chair makes an ass of himself. Hey nitwit, you realize that you just insulted a huge fraction of the electorate?

    1. But did he really? I mean, its not like they’re going to *know*, right?

      1. Millennials are where it’s at, baby, they love laughing at Grandpa while helping him turn on his computer.

        1. They forget to realise that Gampy and Gammy most likely paid for their iWhatevers in addition to their computers. And education. Probably a great deal of “free”, uncompensated child care, too. Too bad the inheritance will expire before Gammy and Gampy do.

    2. Who gives a fuck? They insult libertarians and GJ’s demographic on a daily basis.

  6. The past is a good predictor of future events. Bill Weld endorsed two Democrats in tight races…
    http://blogs.wgbh.org/masspoli…..party-man/

    1. “Libertarian Moment?s”

    2. He endorsed Obama in 2008? Cripes.

      1. Weld has a future at Reason. The website anyway, not so sure about the magazine under the stellar new leadership.

    3. He’s even bigger fake republican / libertarian than most of the current Reasonoids are fake libertarians.

  7. And I think he might do it, he might campaign for her, he might go out and talk to these Millennials who indeed are peeling away from Hillary Clinton in a dangerous way

    Does Bill Weld have some special appeal to millennials that I’m completely unaware of?

    1. Pot smoking. And pot smoking.

      1. Putting smut-peddlers in prison where they belong!

        Sorry, that was unfair, that was before millennials were even born.

        1. And yet Darren Castle wants to do just that.

          1. It’s in the Constitution Party platform.

            Is the platform binding on the candidate? Better tell Weld about that.

            1. It’s Darrell, not Darren.

  8. Why is Matt up here commenting when all the cool kids are down there on last night’s thread?

    1. What, you mean the one confirming Trump is Tulpa?

      1. I thought S1 was Tulpa.

        1. Mary on her meds?

          1. For a whole weekend? That seems far fetched

            1. They slipped the pills into the chunky peanut butter and bon bons.

        2. S1 seemed Tulpa-like to me, too.

  9. You know what else peeled away from Hillary Clinton in a dangerous way….

    1. The will to stand?

    2. Hey, this isn’t that sort of comment section! No one wants to know the details of Hillary’s bathroom hygiene.

      1. You don’t read the comments here often, do you?

        Be careful, SugarFree can smell optimistic innocence. And he will destroy it.

        1. [sniffs the air]

          1. Don’t you dare.. =]

            1. *flees in anticipatory terror*

              1. [gets a bowl of popcorn and a bottle of lotion]

                1. [switches bottle of lotion with bottle of liniment with capsaicin]

        2. I read them all the time. Now, NANCY PELOSI’S bathroom hygiene, sure, but Clinton? Even SF wouldn’t go THAT far.

          1. Great. Now the story will have both..

            1. Now the story will have both..

              NancyHillaphroditus. The most self-sufficient political chimera ever.

        3. Some people skip the comments; most people skip the articles.

      2. We know them anyway, thanks to the Squatty Potty radio ad.

        1. The what???

            1. Thank you, VG. I know about toileting foot risers, didn’t know about that ad. Cute.

    3. Her shoe?

  10. Bernstein is a DC elite war monger, sucking Clinton’s war mongering ass.

    1. Not Agile enough. Try again.

  11. And he could be a hero in this?and look, Bill Weld would like to be a hero, he would like to be relevant again in the political discourse.

    Because Hillary is such a forgiving person? Because the Democrats will welcome Weld back into the progressive tent? Not seeing that happen.

    Bernstein might call Weld a hero for a day or two, but everyone else in U.S. politics would go Game of Thrones all over his butt.

    Besides, Libertarian VP Candidate is as relevant as Weld has ever been on the national level.

    1. Who would win in a fight: House Lannister or the Corleone Family?

      1. Which one’s duck-sized and which one’s horse-sized?

      2. Assuming everyone is still alive when the fight starts, the Lannisters win. They’re meaner, smarter and better able to forge alliances.

        1. ELAINE: George fights dirty.

          JERRY: Really? What would you do?

          GEORGE: Pull hair, poke eyes, groin stuff. Whatever I gotta do.

          1. George understands that once the decision to fight is made, all niceties are ignored.

        2. But the Corleones have guns, and the Lannisters are fresh out of Wildfire.

          1. Nope, you forgot my condition.

              1. Nope. It’s finally lupus.

    1. And lashings of ginger beer!

  12. I wouldn’t be surprised if Weld and Reason ended up endorsing Hillary Clinton.

    Reason.com
    The Libertarian Case for Hillary Clinton
    By: Bill Weld (Managing Editor)

    Followed by: Guns are Bad M’kay and Why Social Justice is Libertarian Justice.

    1. Bad people buy guns ok whereas only happening soulcats buy pot.

      -the boomer infected libertarian movement

    2. Thanks, I needed someone to shit on my soul today.

      1. You should have asked Warty.

        1. No, no! That is having your soul torn apart.

        2. It doesn’t count if they enjoy it.

    3. A Libertarian Case For Hillary

      I live in Georgia, I figured it’s solid red so my vote won’t matter, but I’ve seen a few references to Hillary doing well enough that Georgia may be in play so I’ll have to think about voting. Thanks to all you folks saying I have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary from winning and Johnson has no chance and is a wasted vote, I may not vote for Johnson – maybe I’ll vote for Hillary.

      Sure, Hillary is evil, I’ve known that since back when she was President the first time and, after failing to get Hillarycare passed, said the reason Hillarycare didn’t get passed is because they did a poor job of educating the American people. That told me right there that Hillary knows with every fiber of her being that she knows best and she’s always right. The only reason you might disagree with her when she explains her plans is because you’re too stupid to understand something as simple as 2+2=4, or you’re crazy and think that 2+2=5 or you’re evil and know damn well that 2+2=4 but have some evil motive for trying to convince people that 2+2=/=4. If you’re stupid you need a re-education camp, crazy people need a psychiatric prison and evil people get the gulag or the bullet to the back of the head. And Hillary would do it – she absolutely positively beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt knows she’s right and you’re wrong and you need to shut up. If you don’t shut up, she will shut you up and feel entirely justified – hell, downright commendable – for doing so.

      1. But Trump is Hitler – wants to make Germany/America great again, blames all our problems on the Jews/Mexicans who’ve got to go and the Chinese/British who are taking all our money and the spineless shitweasels in government who know what the problem is and how to solve it but lack the Will to be the Man of Action he is. And with a 40% plurality of enthusiastic supporters willing to crack heads, the spineless shitweasels worried only about saving their positions of privilege will easily see which way the political winds are blowing and will eagerly jump on the Hitler/Trump Train. Hell, they can’t even stand up to the enemy and you expect them to stand up to a man of the volk/people? Besides, we all know Hitler/Trump doesn’t really mean what he says and has no way of getting it done even if he did. And then too, kicking the shit out of the Sudetenland/Iraq and taking their land/oil is only taking back what’s ours anyway.

        1. So when the guy who says he’s the only one who can save America (and you assumed he meant no other help was required rather than no other help was allowed) and said either support me or get the hell out of my way starts ignoring Congress because he’s got a pen and a phone just like Obama and Congress starts ignoring him ignoring them because it’s the will of the people and hey, he is getting things done, when he starts rounding up those Mexicans and sticking them in concentration camps temporary detention facilities “just until we can properly process them” and doing the same with the Muslims as a temporary security measure “just like FDR did with the Japs, just for the duration”, when he starts doing the same with seditious traitors who support the enemy by daring to criticize these actions and insist they have “free speech” (there is a war on, you know), when he starts nationalizing companies unpatriotic enough to try moving jobs or cash overseas or unpatriotic enough not to close their overseas operations and bring them back to the US, when he starts getting really goddamn belligerent with any foreign country that questions his foreign policy of getting really goddamn belligerent with foreign countries, when after 8 years he decides that his remaining in office is more important than some silly old piece of paper – and, by the way, he’d prefer to be addressed as Your Highness –

          1. well, don’t come crying to me with your “but I didn’t know!” bullshit. It can happen here and it will happen here and it is happening here.

            The only saving grace? The people most opposed to Hillary are Trump supporters and the people most opposed to Trump are Hillary supporters. One of those groups expresses their discontent by holding weepy candle-light drum circle vigils and singing Kumbayah and the other expresses their discontent by shooting people in the fucking head. Which one of these two would you rather have as President – just in case, you know, you decide you’d rather not have them as President any more? The one who has the people with guns supporting him or the one with the people with guns opposing her?

            1. Or maybe I’m just drunk and talking shit and it doesn’t much matter who gets elected and we just keep muddling along like we always have, kicking the can down the road as we go. Except we’ve spent all our money, we’ve maxxed out our credit cards, we’re running out of people to bum some money from and the bill collectors are getting more numerous and more persistent and the shitheads in Washington keep telling us it’ll all be okay as long as we give them a little more power and a little more money. .We just cannot keep on keeping on like this and if the only way it’s going to end is badly, might as well do it now and get it over with. Let’s get ready to rumble, I say. I’m sick and tired of busting my ass every day trying to take care of me and mine and have you bastards take 40% of it and then you have the gall to stand there and lecture me about what an ungrateful evil wretch I am for daring to complain and how morally superior you are for your work in redistributing wealth to the more deserving and doing your damnedest to make it even harder for me to earn a living doing something productive. At least a junkie sticking a gun in my ribs and stealing my wallet doesn’t try to argue that I stole it from him and he’s entitled to it and I have an obligation to turn it over, he’s honest enough to admit I’ve got money and he wants it so he’s just going to take it.

              I support Hillary rather than Trump because if this is all gonna end I want it to end with a bang and not a whimper.

              1. Drunk or not, that was fucking great!

                1. And all God’s children said Amen.

  13. Further proof the notion of journalism as a noble profession has always been bullshit.

  14. Intellectual lightweight and noted non-factor Don Lemon interviews some attention-whoring gobshite; one who, going by first impressions, barely amounts to a half-measure of a man.

    *chugs beer, ambles to liquor cabinet*

    1. Don Lemon: any relation to Don Cherry?

      1. I don’t think that’s how names work. But perhaps “Lemon” is just a self-aware name change and not his government name.

  15. Bernstein… did not clarify whether his “Stay tuned” advice was to await his further reporting on the matter, or to collectively see whether his hunch turns out to be true,

    Carl Bernstein Contemplates Deez Nuts = Stay Tuned

  16. So, basically, this amounts to an endorsement of the Johnson/Weld ticket by Bernstein.

    Apparently Bernstein can’t bring himself to endorse Weld openly, but wishing the Libertarian candidate was working for Hillary (while Hillary is floundering and needs Weld’s help), that’s about as close to endorsing the LP ticket as you can get without actually endorsing the ticket.

    Everyone knows Johnson and Weld are drawing support away from Hillary, too.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/mi…..1474038301

  17. On the bright side, Seattle lost.

    1. Oh yeah, fuck Art Modell.

      1. Way to give up a 20-0 lead.

        1. Both LA Rams fans noticed

  18. I smell a hit job tonight on 60 minutes.
    Governor Johnson, why are you in favor of kids doing drugs and economic darwinism that would result a race to the bottom?

    1. Reporter, why do you hate the children so much that you wish to bequeath them a world in which they will have no liberty?

  19. I’ve cared less and less for this LP ticket, and then I read Kevin Drum and got some enthusiasm back. Some of the points:

    He opposes any federal policies that would make college more affordable or reduce student debt. In fact, he wants to abolish student loans entirely.
    He thinks Citizens United is great.
    He doesn’t want to raise the minimum wage. At all.
    He opposes net neutrality.
    He opposes any kind of paid maternity or medical leave.
    He opposes any government action to address climate change.
    He wants to cut the corporate tax rate to zero.
    He appears to believe that we should reduce financial regulation. All we need to do is allow big banks to fail and everything will be OK.
    He wants to remove the Fed’s mandate to maximize employment and has spoken favorably of returning to the gold standard.

    He doesn’t want to raise the minimum wage. At all. Not even a teensy bit!

    1. The MSM is conspiring to make the LP ticket look good to right-wing reactionaries such as myself.

    2. They’re not perfect by a long shot and I don’t particularly care for Weld, but they’re better than anyone else (especially Castle) and since Hillary is going to win NY by 20 points, there’s no point in not voting my conscience.

      1. Weld almost turned me off from voting for Johnson (again). I don’t like his history and the reality is that anyone elected by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts won’t be very libertarian. However, I’m not going to Palin my vote.

    3. But what are his thoughts on yaoi?

      1. I didn’t know you were into yaoi.

        1. He was unwillingly made a character in a graphic yaoi novel.

    4. “OMG it’s almost like he isn’t even a leftist. He had us going with all that pot stuff.”

    5. MJG, you are on track, but you fall into a trap.

      It’s not “he opposes”. It’s “he opposes mandatory”.

      More accurate, and completely changes the tone. And most libertarians miss it.

  20. Gotta love when drunks put down someone for smoking weed. Why did Mr. Bernstein quit drinking?

    1. The pink elephants told him to?

      1. The Horrors can be pretty intense. So I’ve been told.

  21. So they’re taking back the nice things they said about Hillary. Good for them, they seem to be catching on to the fact that they’re getting support because many people *don’t* believe Hillary is a wonderful public servant and a great kid.

    1. “Gary Johnson’s three-word description of Clinton on CNN as a “wonderful public servant.”

      He meant that she can make AND bring sammiches to you.

  22. Trying to decide what to watch tonight until Vice Principals: The Outlaw Josey Wales or Throne of Blood. Both Eastwood and Kurosawa/Japanese cinema are on my mind this weekend, and I only have one Sunday night.

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales.

      1. Space Cowboys

      2. “Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms”. (spit)

    2. I’m watching “Very British Problems” because my dog is asleep on my remote.

    3. What/when is The Outlaw Josey Wales on?

      1. On my computer, about 90 minutes ago.

  23. and I think if Weld is smart he might get the hell out. And he could be a hero in this?and look, Bill Weld would like to be a hero, he would like to be relevant again in the political discourse. He’s certainly not relevant in a positive way where he is right now, and I would look to some real thought of him renouncing the Libertarian candidacy that his represented by himself and get off the ticket.

    I can absolutely see this line of thinking from Governor Weld. He is not a libertarian and owes libertarianism nothing.

    He could become persona non grata with all of his friends and associates should Trump win.

    But how the hell does Bernstein believe that Weld would be viewed as a “Hero”?

    This would be a “one day wonder” news story and Weld on the campaign trail for Secretary Clinton would be speaking to which demographic exactly?

    1. House Frey fans?

      I can see the headlines now: Libertarian Red Wedding
      Weld to Johnson: Hillary sends her regards.
      Clintons: Lannisters
      Johnson: Robb Stark
      Ron/Rand Paul/Yokeltarians: Wildlings
      Trump: Daenarys Targaryean

    2. The demographic that still lives with their abusive boyfriends because they don’t know how they’d live without him?

      1. “Yeah, honey, you’re useless, one day you’ll come crawling back, just like Weld here.”

  24. Mars has large fucking radiation-drenched dandelions on the south side that need picking fer sum roasting and supplanting onto whole grain buns I managed to steal from Clark’s locker after he died spooning an oddly sexy fucking alien I found munching on his whole spine glistening with dripping sauce under an assorted array of moons and shit- but I didn’t really like Clark so…. So I’ll go do that. Get those fucking dandelions.

      1. Dandelions are mighty servators when asked to bedlam the mind, Swissy.

  25. What the hell has Bernstein done since he drew those Bernstein Bear books?

    1. Other than hook up with Linda Lovelace.

  26. I’m a wonderful public commenter.

    1. Yeah, you comment slow in the driveway.

  27. Let’s really talk about Mr. “Where is Aleppo” who’s really in this race partly to advance a marijuana initiative as much as anything else. And he’s taking time off from marijuana during the campaign, he says, and he’s not gonna take too many tokes during the campaign. This is a bit of a joke at this point, and I think if Weld is smart he might get the hell out.

    And what if Governor Johnson was only in the race to advance a marijuana initiative?

    It is curious that no one in the last hour that this post has been up has told Bernstein to go fuck himself

    1. Hey Carl, go fuck yourself, you has-been.

      How’t that.

    2. And I say this as someone who isn’t particularly moved by “Drug War” issues one way or another.

      (or that at least they have no salience to me personally)

      But I recognize their importance intellectually.

    3. I was going to, but then I realized he doesn’t matter very much, so I insulted him and moved on. To doing this.

      I think Hollywoo Celebrities is on. Maybe I’ll check it out.

    4. For Bernstein to fuck himself you’d have to provide the Viagra.

  28. God they start out with them at some hillbilly hoe down

  29. Voidatarians are like fucking blackholatarians.. morphing like no one’s business into fucking clever obstacles on card tables under smoky moons. Libertarians have trucks of tricks that spill from their sleeves and livers and hazard brains but all that sort of sorcery is poof the magic patootie on the hell stage of horrors that consistently chain our lives to throne after throne after throne to even the dungeons and severance of the heads of our brethren and sisterhood in the peaceful religion places.

    Fucking freedom is on the grill, bitches, and she is about to get titty-fucked by the dick of death.

  30. Don’t know Aleppo? Unqualified to be president! Ran an illegal server and took millions from foreign countries? Most qualified ever!

  31. Don’t know Aleppo? Unqualified to be president! Ran an illegal server and took millions from foreign countries? Most qualified ever!

    1. I think the squirrels are even more qualified.

      1. Of course.

        *Tebows toward server squirrelz*

        1. Tom Treebow is a friend to squirrels. And snakes.

    2. Hillary forgot Aleppo way the fuck worse than goddamn Johnson did.

      She forgot Aleppo so bad the motherfucking women and children got crushed by bombs and crumbling buildings.

  32. A prog just showed me this article from 2015 and it totally convinced me to abandon my religious fundamentalism!

    “I am a southern pastor and an educated professor who lives in rural Arkansas amidst folks who own guns and vote Republican. I hold college degrees…I will write an article and tell the whole damn world the truth:

    “1. I am a proud member of the Christian Left. Not only that; I find it very hard to believe that you can read the Bible and vote Republican right now. Intolerance and hatred are not in the teachings of my Christ.

    “2. I vote for Democrats….

    “3. I believe in freedom of speech…

    “4. AND freedom of religion, for everyone…

    “5. I live my life for God, but I do not think God belongs in our Constitution….

    “6. You cannot be both prejudiced and Christian….

    “7. There is too much hate and there are too many guns in this country….Enough is enough. I don’t care about your damned right to own guns. I am tired of children dying in this great country.

    “8. Consenting adults have a constitutional right to get a government document certifying their legal marriage….

    “9. Traditional marriage in the Bible is polygamous. Get a Bible and read it before you try to use it to support your hatred and intolerance.

    “10. The confederate flag is racist.

    “I am going to do what Christ would do. I am going to act. I am going to write my congressman…”

    1. (there should be an ellipsis after “The confederate flag is racist”)

    2. American violence, guns, and traditionalism is heavy with infantile when compared to the mature fucking hate-state that thrives like a religious beacon blasting across the face of the earth as blood-soaked states of Islamic totalitarianism stretching like virus oceans across the once-blue marble of life.

    3. Intolerance and hatred are not in the teachings of my Christ…Get a Bible and read it before you try to use it to support your hatred and intolerance.

      I always find it funny when liberal Christians say this, as they are usually the type of person who would define a lot of what Christ said as hatred or intolerance. After all, where is the tolerance in saying “No one comes to the Father except through me”? And wouldn’t they consider it hateful all of the many references to people being cast into hell for their sin? And if Christ’s teachings are so hateful and intolerant in their view, why do they even call themselves Christians?

      1. And if Christ’s teachings are so hateful and intolerant in their view, why do they even call themselves Christians?

        Because they need to believe in *something,* and Christianity is the default in this country. IOW, it’s socially advantageous.

    4. I am a proud member of the Christian Left

      Lulz.

      Don’t get me wrong, most conservatives fuck Christianity up pretty bad, but “Christian Left” is pretty damn near an oxymoron, unless you only read the American Popular Version of the Bible and the theology of feelings.

  33. SevenFold, SevenFold, SevenFold!

    SevenFold, SevenFold!

  34. Well that went reasonably well all things considered.

    The 60 Minutes thing.

    But you can tell the media shows them little or no respect. I could be wrong.

    1. The 60 minutes thing ?

      Any coincidence they had an episode on nuclear weapons (shudder) and the Democrat talking point that Trump doesn’t have the being emotional stablility to be in control of the nuclear suitcase. ?

      There seemed to be an emphasis on the fact that the president didn’t need Congress or anyone else to order a nuclear strike.

  35. All these lines for what fucking reason? Line after bar after line after tone after luminescence font… after month behind year over days and weeks and fucking moons and sweaty piss behind a goddamn brick bar next to the lake shimmering with lost journeys and wandering comets stretching and yawning behind tall oaks that sat thin next to Cherokee when they were little boys and girls on the edges of innocent Kentucky valleys.

    Life in the threads. Does life even exist here? Is this fucking enchantment like digital oxygen or is it the binary meth of fucking lonesome ghouls with Einstein visions?

    1. Your tolerance levels must be wrecked.

    2. I’m in a cabin in Kentucky right now. Left the lines at home though.

  36. Glancing around the internet, it appears that Trump made the left go into orbit because he referred to the . . . um . . . “attacks” in the greater New York City area yesterday as a “bombing”?

    If that’s all Hillary supports got, they better hope Trump blows it in the debates ’cause otherwise they got nothin’.

    1. Trump will be the police state president and I shudder like an old shed buckling under a spring straightline but if he plays his shit right Hillary will be laced on his hook like a porridge of chicken fat and night crawlers.

      1. That was unusually coherent. Who are you and where is Agile Cyborg?

        1. Agile is like a mushroom trip. Lots of pretty swirlies with an occasional nut punch of truth.

    2. Trump is going to bitch slap Hillary in the debates. That was always a given. She’ll be lucky to even to make a conscious appearance.

      1. Expect this kind of stuff, but with more coughing.

        1. Umm, yeah, no. Biden is probably the only person on the planet who can get the best of Trump. Instead, Hillary is going to gag, cough, stare, have seizure, fall down, and go comatose. Sorry to burst your bubble.

          1. My wife has a theory that Hillary has MS. She has a lot of the same symptoms my MIL had.

            1. My wife is a Trump supporter. She has a long history of watching corrupt politicians. It’s not so much that she likes Trump, it’s more that Hilary seems so familiar.

              1. Is she from NY state?

                  1. That was for Hyp, but… threading.

            2. My wife has a theory that Hillary has MS.

              Incorrect.

              Been paying attention to Shrill-Bot’s health (much ot my wife’s chagrin):

              1) Not convinced of Parkinson’s proper nor Parkinsonism in general. (Not even the stair-step TX slope of carbodopa-levodopa fits.)

              2) Not convinced of MS; not enough S/SX confluence.

              3) And while bacterial pnuemonia is possible (even I suggested that at one time, and not wiling to R/O. I also accurately predicted Troomp would avoid negatively commenting on it), the most likely culprit is a systemic vascular disorder, complicated by a post-cerebral vascular accident, and comorbid with her faulty thyroid. That doesn’t even include the tongue tumor, not to mention the other stuff she, her doctor, and her staff are keeping under wraps (such as her actual current med list).

              She definitely has a chronic, debilitating condition that is causing a health decline, in particular those atypical syncopal episodes, and her HX of falls.

              1. It would be a brilliant political move if Hillary played up her illness and concomitant short life expectancy. That would make the election Kaine vs. Trump, which would be a slam dunk for the Dems.

              2. The tongue tumor? I thought that was just a cough drop.

                1. No, there’s reliable “before & after” on that.

                  The “after” is *NOT* a cough lozenge. I Initially thought the tongue excision was possibly “hairy tongue” or another lingual malady.

                  1. I feel like I am taking crazy pills with this election.

                    1. Is there a DX with a PX that doesn’t involve large doses of alcohol?

                    2. Is there a DX with a PX RX that doesn’t involve large doses of alcohol?

                      Yes, but it most likely involves getting into whatever isn’t is in Agile Cyborg’s stash & cache…

              3. The internet told me it was vascular dementia.

      2. I’m hoping we get to see the real Hillary in the debates. I’m not so sure that Trump has a damn thing on her in the bitch-lapping department. (My s key skips so that was supposed to be bitch-slapping but I just gotta leave that John-o stand.)

        If some of the things said about what a foul-mouthed absolute bitch she can be in private are true, she might very well just measure up Trump and very calmly tell him exactly what she thinks of him. Trump may be the one losing his cool and shrieking at Hillary.

        1. I’m hoping we get to see the real Hillary in the debates.

          [Has flashback to ending of Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 1; hides in closet]

      3. That might work against Trump. No one likes a guy who beats up a woman in a hospital bed

        1. Well, Ole’ Slick Willy seems to ooze unseemly…charm. He has almost certainly gotten away with it.

      4. Trump needs to

        1) Not come across as crazy and obnoxious.

        2) Ask Hillary pointed questions about taking money from foreign governments while she was the Secretary of State.

        If he can do those two things, he’ll probably win.

    3. Well yeah, imagine the egg on his face if it was the usual spontaneously-exploding dumpster?!

      1. Spontaneously Exploding Dumpster? I went to their concert in Cleveland, they were awesome.

        1. Actually that’s the title of the Michael Bay’s next screenplay about the Troomp phenomenon, since Explosion: The Movie got shelved.

          1. They cancelled that? Rats, I was *so* looking forward to the premiere.

    4. Think it was more the media than Clinton, as she referred to them as bombings not long after Trump.

      They’re cracking, dude.

      1. By the time I enter the break room tomorrow it’ll be that trump tried to kill Chelsea Clinton with a bomb.

        1. That’s a very…..strange….euphemism, ARV.

  37. a Presidential candidate has to use her biographer to attack Gary Johnson because she’s afraid to do it herself

    This just goes to show Hitlery Kkklinton is a traitorous coward. How can anyone be afraid of attacking Gary
    Johnson?

    1. I’m guessing Hildog has attacked johnson before.

  38. I see where Rience is all-aboard the Trump Train.

    I’m telling you, Trump is not destroying the GOP, he’s transforming it into the Democrat Party as the Democrats slide off into straight-up socialism and he’s thereby saving it. They’ll be purging the libertarianish and the Old Guard conservatives and anybody that values principles over principals. And whatever party replaces the GOP and what they’ve become will be a smaller but stronger party.

    You know, the “evangelicals” deserve the GOP and the GOP them. You’re endorsing a “Christian” who most assuredly worships that little golden idol he looks at in the mirror every morning? You know, that Bible you keep thumping has something to say about false messiahs and caring more about things of this world rather than of the next. I’m pretty sure it says “go to hell.”

    1. The GOP has necessarily changed as more and more refugees from the Democrats have a arrived. In a healthy and sane country the 2012 election would have been Romney versus Ron Paul. Instead we got Romney versus Obama because the Dems have gone insane.

    2. Hey Reince, you need us more than we need you. Take your pencilneck threats and fuck off. You’ll be lucky to have a job in three months.

      Signed,

      A concerned #NeverTrumper

  39. I think it is giving Johnson/Weld too much credit to claim they will have a significant impact on this election.

    They are polling what, around 7%? What was Johnson/Gray polling last time? My guess is that it was around the same, and that the final results will be as well.

    The poll numbers are meaningless. When they actually get into the voting booth, Americans don’t vote third party for President – especially not a long established one like the LP.

    1. Media desperately wants Johnson to spoil the election for Trump. Hence all the coverage.

    2. They are polling what, around 7%? What was Johnson/Gray polling last time? My guess is that it was around the same, and that the final results will be as well.

      Johnson/Grey got 1% of the vote (.99%) in 2012

      From what i can tell, they didn’t start covering his poll results until Sept/Oct 2012 (which makes sense; the same is true now); and he was doing about 6%

      I think he’ll do 3% or better this year. But not much more. 5% may be a stretch.

      1. Pity. 2012 GayJay was so much better than 2016 GayJay. I really wish he had kept Judge Jim Gray, instead of Old Scotch. Veep nominees can have a rather profound impact on a Pres nominee behind the scenes, and one can be postive Weld’s tutition and advice is why GayJay eats so many toe jam sandwiches.

        BUT GAYJAY *HAD* HAVE WELD THE GELD!!! Feh.

    3. When they actually get into the voting booth, Americans don’t vote third party for President

      Which is kind of surprising when you consider that, what?, three quarters of the states are entirely non-competitive?

  40. Are the Hillary people really this scared of Johnson ruining her chance to win, that several of them are devoting such time to attempting to discredit him? Is he really this much of a threat to her? Before this whole “Aleppo” deal, how many people actually already knew about Aleppo? I know I sure as hell hadn’t heard about it being some big deal before that “gaffe.” But maybe I just hadn’t been reading/hearing enough foreign policy news. I’m also sick and tired of this whole “only cares about pot” BS constantly thrown at the Libertarian brand as an attempt to say “these guys aren’t serious, just point and laugh at them.” Almost as annoying as the completely dishonest “isolationist” label. No, the serious people are the ones wanting to double down on the failed drug war and on constant foreign interventions.

    1. Are the Hillary people really this scared of Johnson ruining her chance to win…? Is he really this much of a threat to her?

      At the end of last week, the biggest piece of news was that “Millennials Aren’t Into Hillary”

      And young voters are going for 3rd parties in the largest numbers ever .

      Reason covered it here

      A New York Times/CBS poll shows 26 percent of voters under the age of 29 supporting Johnson and a further 10 percent supporting Green presidential nominee Jill Stein. Similarly, a Quinnipiac poll shows Johnson at 29 percent of young voters, and Stein at 15. In that poll, Clinton barely edges out Johnson among young voters, getting 31 percent.

      Consequently, everyone and their Mother are now screeching about how you can’t vote for Johnson and be a liberal at the same time, and god knows, if you’re not a Liberal, you’re Neonazi scum.

      Whether Johnson actually pulls enough from the Left to actually make a difference? who knows. I doubt it. More young people “wont vote at all” than will end up choosing GJ over Clinton.

      1. I would think Jill Stein would be the target for disdain by them in much the same way Ralph Nader has been, while Johnson would be the target of attacks by Republicans. With all the brainwashing of youths into statism and Gaia worship I’d think those disgusted by Clinton would be naturally drawn towards her campaign. Hell, I just looked at her website’s Issues page out of curiosity and saw nothing but a leftist’s wet dream on there. Fight Global Warming, support BLM, $15 minimum wage, right to a job. I don’t see how that doesn’t win out with the brain dead youth over Johnson’s platform.

        1. Millennialis may be smart enough to see that Stein has no chance at even making a dent, so they gravitate toward Johnson, the tallest of the midgets, instead. Or maybe people just think millennials are that smart.

          1. Maybe. Still, I don’t think my fellow millennials are smart enough for that kind of thinking. They’re much better at emoting, and boy is Stein’s platform full of their kind of emoting. But like Gilmore said, come Election Day most of these clowns will likely just not vote rather than vote either Johnson or Stein.

    2. :Point and laugh at them ”

      You mean when they are doing a striptease dance down to a G string on stage during a political convention ?

      Why would anyone do that ?

      1. I was more talking about pointing and laughing at libertarian ideas. If you want to bring up the way some libertarians act real goofy and strange, yeah I can’t defend that.

  41. Given that Johnson-Weld pulls more from Clinton than from Trump, they very definitely could have an impact in borderground states.

    1. Nobody got *seriously* hurt, FWIW, but this is the Daily News after all which makes the Times look unbiased.

          1. Your misplaced enthusiasm for Troomp aside (and at least one voice of sceptical dissent is healthy), SIV, I really appreciate your music links. I always find something new in them.

            And your posts are almost always good for a chuckle or two.

            1. I’m the opposite.

              I appreciate SIV as a Trumpster we need to balance out all the #NeverTrump TDS from Welch and the others.

              And I ignore all the musical links because there’s no accounting for taste.

  42. Somehow, I think Hillary’s gonna be OK.

      1. Ubuntu is more likely.

  43. OT:
    >

    Good article on “affirmative consent” and the likelihood that (especially if progressives find themselves in control of Congress in addition to having a Supreme Court majority) we will likely see the ‘affirmative consent’ law enacted for the general public.

    I gotta say, I loathe this Trump guy, but reading shit like this, I find it harder and harder to buy the narrative that Hillary is just regular bad while Trump is ultra super bad. It also makes me reflect on whether I should hope he wins just to keep Hillary from appointing the next Justice, since it appears the Democrats are about a hair away from effectively outlawing sex in this country.

      1. Fuck it I hate links. Here’s the url: http://www.mindingthecampus.or…..lates-sex/

    1. I find it harder and harder to buy the narrative that Hillary is just regular bad while Trump is ultra super bad.

      You should. Hillary’s goal is to double down on all the ways that Obama has made the country worse. Trump will just stumble through 4 years of gaffes – largely manufactured by the media – and be blocked at every turn.

      1. Umm, no. Trump would sell out the right as soon as he gets into office.

        And so long as he behaves as an obedient pet, the MSM won’t get in his way.

        1. Trump would sell out the right

          I don’t know what that means, exactly, but if you think the Left is going to welcome him with open arms or something, you’re delusional.

          1. The rank-and-file will do as their leaders tell them to. If Trump offers a means of getting more power for the left, he will be rehabilitated.

    2. Affirmative consent hasn’t been enacted for the general public even in states where the Dems already have total control of the three branches, so probably not.

      1. It’s only been a couple years since they even floated it for California university students; the plan is absolutely to impose a similar standard in college students nationally; after that, why not? They already *want* it, the political climate just isn’t there yet.

        Also, outsude of California and NY, local and state level democrats tend not to be as far out there as the national level ones.

  44. Poor Hillary is so bored. Can’t you ignorant rubes just crown her already?

    1. Only with a shovel.

  45. OT:

    Someone reminded me this weekend that God is a libertarian.

    The people of Israel wanted a king like the nations around them. God channeled Murray Rothbard:

    “11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.

    12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.

    13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.

    14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.

    15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.

    16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[a] and donkeys he will take for his own use.

    17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.

    18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

    1 Samuel 8:11-18

    Say whatever you want about the existence or non-existence of the Biblical God, but he often seems like he’s a lot smarter than the people who would have had to make him up.

    You gotta account for that somehow.

    1. It’s uncanny how Samuel, in verse 13, foresaw compulsory cakes.

      1. More or less.

        I guess we’re dealing with some universals, here. Heaven is basically a transhumanist libertopia. People choose to respect each other’s rights of their own free will, so there’s little government to speak of, and you don’t get old or die.

        Meanwhile, it’s interesting to think about what it would be like the taxes we paid to the government and all the labor that goes to government, if all that went to some productive purpose instead.

        It’s interesting that someone was thinking about that during the Babylonian captivity when all this stuff was being compiled. What we’re dealing with today is often a lot worse than what Samuel was warning us about.

        I wish the government only took 10%.

        1. I think this is one of the favorite parts of the Bible for atheist libertarians.

          Along with Psalm 146:3.

          I don’t think they’d necessarily be fans of Romans 13, but they might like the diss on wrongful government decrees in Acts 5:29.

      2. “It’s uncanny how Samuel, in verse 13, foresaw compulsory cakes.”

        Yes, mythical writings ‘foresaw’ all sorts of things:
        “George Ivanovich Gurdjieff (/????rd?i??f/; January 13, 1866 ? 1877? – October 29, 1949[2]), also commonly referred to as Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff and G. I. Gurdjieff, was an influential early 20th century mystic, philosopher, spiritual teacher, and composer born in what was then an Armenian region of Russia of Armenian and Greek descent.[3] Gurdjieff taught that most humans do not possess a unified mind-body consciousness and thus live their lives in a state of hypnotic “waking sleep”, but that it is possible to transcend to a higher state of consciousness and achieve full human potential.”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff

        Imbeciles buy that crap regularly.

        1. There is a long lived controversy about schizophrenia. It doesn’t seem to have existed before the 19th century.

          There are groups of academics from a number of disciplines who argue that the basics of what we think of as schizophrenia today are a holdover from the ancient world. . . . that in the ancient world, people didn’t perceive their dreams, etc. as being distinct and different from waking life. When they drew pictures in their minds with their imaginations, etc. listened to poetry, even, it put them into something like an hypnotic state as experienced by a schizophrenic.

          The idea is that in the old days, we were all schizophrenics. The way we started to interpret our dreams and fantasies changed with the advent of psychology. As people became more educated about what the science was telling us about our minds, they started dismissing their dreams and fantasies as figments of their imaginations. But the way the member of a heretofore uncontacted tribe in Papua New Guinea experiences a dream or a fantasy isn’t necessarily like the way you or I would.

        2. Think of it like with animals. My dog has dreams. My dog sees its reflection in the mirror. My dog doesn’t recognize itself as the reflection–it can’t pass the mirror test. But it sees the reflection. For some reason, my dog dismisses the image in the mirror as something to be ignored. It must seem supernatural to my dog. My dog seems to treat images in the mirror like dreams, but does my dog know what it sees when it’s asleep is a dream? Why does it dismiss what it sees in the mirror?

          I can imagine people acting like dogs that way back during the ancient world. and I can imagine that there are a lot of people out there who still experience the world that way.

          1. Why does it dismiss what it sees in the mirror?

            Because the mirror image does not smell or sound like a dog.

            1. That might be it.

              Maybe the rabbits and cats they see when they imagine something or dream about it don’t smell or sound like they should either.

              Point is that at some point, dolphins, elephants, magpies, and bonobos (but not baboons) became able to pass the mirror test. As magpies passing the mirror test may suggest, it isn’t just about the physical capacity of the brain–our psychology evolved and left other animals behind.

              But just because we became able to recognize our own reflections doesn’t mean we stopped interpreting the other things we perceive only in our own minds as real. Many of us have conversations in our heads about things–we talk to ourselves when we’re alone. In the ancient world, they seem to have experienced these voices as real. Socrates heard voices in head. He thought it was from the gods.

              http://tinyurl.com/7q4aqlg

              That is sort of like what schizophrenics experience. They hear voices. But the voices they hear are from the different hemispheres of their brains talking to each other. We know that. We know about psychology. We’ve watched movies like Fight Club and Psycho.

              1. We’ve watched movies like Fight Club and Psycho.

                His name is Robert Paulson, mom.

                ::slams head into wall….repeatedly::

              2. P.S. It takes about two years for human infants to be able to pass the mirror test.

                http://www.spring.org.uk/2008/…..mirror.php

              3. P.P.S. St. Augustine was blown away that St. Ambrose could read without moving his lips.

            2. Back in the ancient world, books were never read to oneself in silence. The idea that you had an inner psychological voice that was different from your regular voice wasn’t a thing. Poetry was always read aloud. When we read to ourselves in silence, it’s like we’re talking to ourselves. I had a clear idea of what Bilbo and Frodo looked like when I read the book–long before I’d seen any movie. I thought I knew what their voices sounded like. We paint the whole world in our minds.

              I think that’s might be a taste for what it was like for people in the ancient world before they learned to separate the artifacts of their imaginations from the rest of the world in their daily lives like we do. That some people still have problems separating those two may be what we’re talking about when we talk about schizophrenia. Maybe they’re just like people used to be.

              I suspect people used to hear voices when they prayed. Maybe normal people heard voices when they prayed a couple thousand years ago. If so, then if some people are still walking around like that, it shouldn’t surprise us. We’re only talking about a couple thousand years of social evolution.

    2. “Say whatever you want about the existence or non-existence of the Biblical God, but he often seems like he’s a lot smarter than the people who would have had to make him up.”

      Ken, that is among the dumbest comments ever posted by you.
      The mythical being (who doesn’t exist) is smarter than those who made him up?
      Care to render that in English? Or STFU.

      1. I have to say you’re just about the most easily-trolled person I’ve met on the Internet.

      2. It’s perfectly possible for fictional characters to be smarter than their creators; a lot of long hard thinking and hard-won experience in real life can be compressed on the page.

      3. Still fired up from today’s science-sermon in Atheist Church, Sevo?

      4. Care to render that in English? Or STFU.

        He’s saying that for supposedly being made up by a bunch of illiterate bronze aged goat herders, the God of the Bible has quite a bit of insight that is beyond the reach of many of today’s “intellectuals.”

      5. “The mythical being (who doesn’t exist) is smarter than those who made him up?”

        Saying you have to account for that fact isn’t stupid at all.

        It’s like accounting for altruism in the state of nature.

        If you can’t account for altruism in the state of nature or why the God of Abraham says things that are so much smarter than the individuals who wrote them, then you should abandon atheism and convert to Christianity.

        P.S. Markets make stupid people behave as if they were smart.

        P.P.S. If God and religion is a social adaptation, then its survived through that evolutionary process. No one was smart enough to design a language by themselves either–but they somehow they all spoke one.

        In other words, you can account for those things. And you really should.

        Because the argument that God doesn’t exist despite inconclusive but substantial evidence that he does because God doesn’t exist is a stoopid argument.

    3. “Say whatever you want about the existence or non-existence of the Biblical God, but he often seems like he’s a lot smarter than the people who would have had to make him up.”

      Yeah. He deflected from the king and demanded most of that stuff for himself. Perfect trolling by cloud man.

  46. —–I know how much he (Mr. Weld) despises Donald Trump. He worked with Hillary Clinton on the impeachment committee of Richard Nixon, he’s known her for many years, he has respect for her.—–

    Wasn’t Mrs. Clinton fired from the Nixon committee for malpractice? How in the HELL to you expect me to believe that Mr. Weld respects a person who not only was corrupt, but was so stupidly corrupt that she had to be tossed out of the Nixon impreachment committee??

    Jeez, c’mon Bernstein, we’re not THAT stupid.

    I think we know which part of your 1970’s duo was the brains.

      1. I guess you can just Mark one up for ideological blindness.

    1. Wasn’t Mrs. Clinton fired from the Nixon committee for malpractice?

      I don’t think that’s exactly right. She wasn’t ‘fired from the committee’, but the person who was in charge of the committee fired her after its work was concluded

      According to this….

      “Democrat Jerry Zeifman, a counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Clinton on the Watergate investigation”…”After the Nixon impeachment investigation was finished, Zeifman fired Rodham and said he refused to give her a letter of recommendation.”….”Zeifman’s 2006 book, “Hillary’s Pursuit of Power,” states that she “? engaged in a variety of self-serving unethical practices in violation of House rules.”…On his now-shuttered website, Zeifman said, “Hillary Clinton is ethically unfit to be either a senator or president ? and if she were to become president, the last vestiges of the traditional moral authority of the party of Roosevelt, Truman and Johnson will be destroyed.”

      So, according to Politifact-Standards = NO, you’re wrong, and that is right-wing propaganda. 10-Pinocchio’s-with-flaming-pants

  47. You know who else wrote a book about politics?

    1. Anonymous?

    2. Aesop?

    3. John Grisham?

  48. Bradford playing well.

    1. You watching at work?

      1. It’s “Respect for the Aged Day”. Day off.

        1. So, perfect for Adrian Peterson.

          Bradford and Diggs are hitting hard.

          1. Nice. I’m just following the box and comments. Diggs an excellent pic for 5th rounder.

  49. Old ships sail down lost record aisles
    and dreams are created in the attics of child play
    clouds swim on blue smoke while neighborhoods
    collect boredom like fucking hornets on heroine

  50. For the atheists here: You finally have a group that speaks for you! (/sarc)

    “Buoyed by poll numbers showing religious “nones” growing as a percentage of the U.S. population, the Secular Coalition for America is even trying to highlight candidates who are “nontheists” and says Democrats and Republicans will have to work to win their votes….

    “Mr. Decker’s group has been highlighting a “secular candidate of the week”…

    “Last week’s candidate was Misty Plowright, a transgender woman running as a Democrat for Congress in Colorado. The group quotes her as saying that “freedom and equality for all belief, including secular ones, are of the utmost importance to me.””

    Here’s Misty Plowright (“a passionate social democrat”) On The Issues:

    “America needs another New Deal, and it’s time to bring back many of the policies that pulled this country out of the Great Depression and created a middle class that was the envy of the entire world. Investing in our infrastructure, not just the standard list of roads and bridges, but also in the infrastructure that we’ll need to truly succeed in the 21st century is critical. Much like the electrification of the nation, and bringing telephone service to everyone, we must now turn our attention to broadband internet access.”

    1. also:

      “we must ask those who benefit the most from our society, whether wealthy individuals or powerful multinational corporations, to pay their fair share of taxes. They should give back to the society that has given them so much. We bailed out Wall Street and other powerful companies, it’s time they returned the favor.”

      1. Yep, that defines atheists right there! Beat on that strawman, eddie. And tell us once again about the New Testament Party! It’s always amusing.

        1. I see you missed the /sarc, but that’s OK, the sarc doesn’t miss you.

          1. The Fusionist|9.18.16 @ 11:11PM|#
            “I see you missed the /sarc, but that’s OK, the sarc doesn’t miss you.”

            I see you missed intelligence, but that’s OK, intelligence bypasses you regularly.

            1. Oh, yeah? Well, the jerk store called, and, uh, they said you’re a jerk.

          2. And the New Testament Party? No pitch? Did you get it slammed back in your face once too often?

            1. Such violent imagery!

              You should listen to something relaxing.

              1. Such a stupid response! And expected.

                1. Well played, sir, Oscar Wilde couldn’t have come up with a more devastating witticism.

                  But I rebuff your remark by a counter-witticism, thus:

                  Nuh-uh, *you’re* stupid.

                  1. Such a stupid response! And expected.

                    1. Your repertoire of invective is fairly limited, isn’t it?

                    2. How many begging posts, eddie? Still waiting

    2. I’m an atheist but not a leftist, so… no?

      1. I’m just doing some last-minute weekend trolling.

        1. You’re a piece of shit who claims it’s a joke when you’re called on it.
          The world would be better off if you’re mommy had had an abortion…

          1. It sounds like *someone* needs a hug.

            1. Sounds like someone needs attention.
              How many posts this weekend begging for attention, eddie? Maybe not a thousand but getting close. Every time I look there’s eddie posting and replying to himself, hoping someone will please, please grant him the attention he so desperately desires.
              Eddie, did your mom finally admit she should have had an abortion?

              1. “hoping someone will please, please grant him the attention he so desperately desires.”

                And it’s working, isn’t it?

                1. “And it’s working, isn’t it?”

                  Yep, pointing out how pathetic you are is a pleasure.

                  1. Well, I’d post a longer response, but your mom wants me to come to bed.

                    1. How many posts, eddie? How pathetic are you? ‘Cmon, you MUST keep track; you post by the hundreds!
                      Does your dog not like you eddie? Your gold fish?

                    2. Don’t mention that goldfish, it said the anemone was just a friend.

                    3. With friends like that, who needs anemones?

                    4. The Fusionist|9.18.16 @ 11:52PM|#
                      “With friends like that, who needs anemones?”

                      When called on bullshit, revert to jokes!
                      Way to go, bullshitter!

                    5. How many posts, eddie? How pathetic are you?

                    6. There is some powerful sexual tension going on here. Fusionist maybe you should send Sevo a dick pick or maybe an ass pick, spread your cheeks when you take the picture.

                    7. “There is some powerful sexual tension going on here. Fusionist maybe you should send Sevo a dick pick or maybe an ass pick, spread your cheeks when you take the picture.”

                      Really?
                      Are you imagining sucking eddie’s Catholic dick?
                      I thought the exchange had to do with eddie’s fantasy of some sky daddy and the claims that eddies et al could interpret the voices in their heads as guides to human activity.
                      Or are you just one more lame bleever?

                    8. maybe an ass pick

                      Thanks for that image.

    3. “…and it’s time to bring back many of the policies that pulled this country out of the Great Depression and created a middle class that was the envy of the entire world.”
      So, he’s saying we need all the other industrial powers in the world to go to war and destroy their infrastructure and kill off their productive young men?

      1. “Workin’ on it.”

        /BHO

  51. Three bottle men should stand tall, bro
    and four bottle men should not insert keys in movable objects
    Two bottle men aren’t refined
    and a one bottle man is almost on the verge of escaping
    the hell of being alive so he’s stuck in the lawn and the fucking
    prison of goddamn everyday.
    So, praise Jesus for four bottle men.

  52. This Carl Bern Victim guy can stick his blood engorged cock for Hillary into a hornets nest of Tasmanian Devils.
    I don’t even like Johnson, and Weld. They are pandering statist Democrats in my book.
    This Carl Bern guy however…
    He is a perfect example of a Hegelian Dialectic between the giant douche, and a turd sandwich.

    1. Agile only gave you a sample of his stash. Sad.

      1. Agile and I are on totally different types of high. He is still a cool pirate brother though. =D

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIyMwYlFE4

  53. Your favorite god’s unwiped asshole should be as sticky as your fucking blunt, bitch. Or don’t smoke either, whore.

  54. Concrete shadows shouldn’t be littered so much you fucking spliffing fucks.
    Fucking tired of falling asleep on your goddamn litter at 3am’s deepest whiskey.

  55. I found my fingers yesterday after a chartreuse biped mounted by an old neighborhood shuffled by and breathed deeply into the pocket of a song and dance man. Fucking fingers fluttered by and I caught those fucking bitches with my fucking knees because my goddamn toes… gone man. gone like a fucking angel boat.

  56. Bids open at $100K for Abraham Lincoln letter to fiance

    And this is asong Lincoln wrote for Mary Todd.

    I’m just kidding, actually it was this one.

  57. But seriously, Lincoln actually did write a murder mystery.

  58. Hmmmm….These guys are talking more about Sam Bradford than Saint Aaron Rogers (pbuh)? I knew when they got Bradford they were looking at potentially a permanent replacement for Bridgewater and not just a one-year hole plugger, but getting these guys out of Rogers crotch is miracle-worker stuff.

  59. The fruits of decades of bukkake and tentacle porn have finally come home to roost.

    In sexless Japan, almost half of single young men and women are virgins: survey

    1. My God! I’d better get over there ASAP and start remedying this!

      1. Forget it, the Chinese and Islamo-Mohammedans will have already beaten you to it by the time you get there.

        1. “Why’d they have to cut her? She’d have been good for two or three more….”

      2. Take it easy on those boys.

        1. Oh no, Japanese boys like it rough. Fact.

  60. That old love is sweaty and real, man
    It is long and smells like wallpaper installed by 1977 man
    fucking tendrils of weather beaten corners slippery with rain clouds
    from 1988 in some fucking misty downtown running with rusty buses
    shuddering with newspaper readers, rugged desire, and goodwill shoes
    fucking can’t even explain all that old love, brother
    Hang with some cadillacs that smoke some dank truths, brothers
    down under the trick tracks near the river bro and every fucking downtown
    has a fucking river up top and if not it’s down below and your fucking
    old love will know about it, motherfucker, even if you don’t
    Just ask around behind the only building your local fucking police union
    won’t frequent- the bitten gods and occasional tattered goddess will slink
    out behind the flickering flame where weeds gather and minds fall into the abyss
    and trips are as real as angels and rainbow gold
    man, that old love is melting down in some crude haunt maximum
    but never mistake the curvature of the experience we roll into and onto
    motherfucker…. this shit is real and so very fucking real for a fucking real short time.

    1. AC one of my favs from the way back machine. I think you will enjoy. =D

    1. A generous luscious tonal delight, brother

    2. Darnit. It’s a good thing I don’t have to work tomorrow. My lack of sleep is going to be your fault.

      🙂

  61. Letters flit into the rivers of forever
    like old dogs and sad dreams
    Through the hickory hearts I feel the ember of
    Indians glancing their horses through the mists
    of gardens rising
    like revealing parchment planted into majestic moments
    warbling from the gentle noted whispers of
    thoughtful towhees kneeling under the red rising orb.

  62. So I Googled the phrase “deep dish pizza” in search of news stories I could post as part of my last-minute weekend trolling.

    I found this article – did you know that Sylvester Stallone is doing a TV comedy series about pizza?

  63. OK, folks.
    Poor eddie, been trolling for attention all weekend. Give him a call out, at least for being a bleever ignoramus.
    How many posts you got here this weekend, eddie? A thousand or so? Man, it’s tough when you’re a loser like that.

    1. Just trying to squeeze in some weekend trolling while it’s still the weekend.

      Seriously, if I trigger you so much, you could always block me.

      1. “Just trying to squeeze in some weekend trolling while it’s still the weekend.”

        Yep, eddie isn’t about to pass up any chance to beg for attention! Not eddie!
        Pathetic.

        1. Come on dude, Eddie’s all right. Save your bile for the statists.

          1. No, eddie is not all right.
            He proposes and supports a New Testament government: http://www.constitutionparty.com/
            Which is more than willing to enforce the sky-daddy’s will upon the US.
            Eddie is in no way associated with anything like libertarianism other than his one claim that religious nuts like him should not be forced to bake cakes for gay nuts.
            Other than that, eddies views are driven by the new testament, and I’m sure eddie will pedantically point out that his views aren’t “really” that way, given that he’s never argued in good faith from the day he showed up here.

            1. This guy you’re denouncing sounds like a real douche, I’ll keep an eye out for him.

              1. “This guy you’re denouncing sounds like a real douche, I’ll keep an eye out for him”
                Look right in the mirror, shitbag.
                How many posts, eddie? How starved for attention are you? How often are you going to lie about that ‘constitution party’ that can’t read A-1?
                Does your church elder direct such bullshit, or do you do it on your own?

            2. Sevo, I hate to break it to you, but Eddie looks like the reasonable one in this tussle. You’re really coming off as the angry atheist who’s mad at a God you don’t think exists because daddy made you go to church as a kid.

              Maybe take it down 2 notches and try approaching it in a way that doesn’t make you come off as the asshole of the conversation.

              1. Oh, missed this:
                “You’re really coming off as the angry atheist who’s mad at a God you don’t think exists because daddy made you go to church as a kid.”

                Uh, there is no god.
                There is not one shred of evidence to support a claim there is a god, and absent some proof of a mystical being, the presumption is that there is no mystical being, so I can see that you, as a bleever, find eddie’s fantasies persuasive.
                Buzz off.

            3. Did you lose a fight recently over Kim Wossname or some shit? I mean sheesh. Eddie’s a pain.. but… dude, have you met the rest of us?

              Eddie’s all right. Step off, save the random vitriol for something important.

              1. T s oLM,
                If you think that’s true, you can figure it out for yourself. Eddie has done nothing other than defend a skydaddy who does not exist. If you find that persuasive, I have nothing to say to you.
                HoD,
                No, eddie is not all right.
                He proposes and supports a New Testament government: http://www.constitutionparty.com/
                Which is more than willing to enforce the sky-daddy’s will upon the US.
                Eddie is in no way associated with anything like libertarianism other than his one claim that religious nuts like him should not be forced to bake cakes for gay nuts.
                Other than that, eddies views are driven by the new testament, and I’m sure eddie will pedantically point out that his views aren’t “really” that way, given that he’s never argued in good faith from the day he showed up here.
                Eddie’s bullshit IS important.

            4. Well Sevo. If Eddie and his papist ways tries to force you to worship the SkyDaddy then you have every right to shoot him dead. I happen to like Eddie, but I would not shed a tear if you shot him in defense of your person, family, or property.
              That being said. I do not appreciate the modern secular humanistic view that I can not worship a God/Goddess, or have a Religion if I choose to.
              I have negative rights just by being alive.
              God, or no God.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMVZdE97l0

              1. Jimmy Free Trade Pirate|9.19.16 @ 12:12AM|#
                “Well Sevo. If Eddie and his papist ways tries to force you to worship the SkyDaddy then you have every right to shoot him dead.”
                It is obvious he would if he had the chance.

                “I happen to like Eddie, but I would not shed a tear if you shot him in defense of your person, family, or property.”
                OK.

                  1. Like I just said to Eddie. I feel threatened by you voting as well.
                    If I do not like an Atheist lording over me. What makes you think I would want a Religious person lording over me ?

              2. “I happen to like Eddie, but I would not shed a tear if you shot him in defense of your person, family, or property.I happen to like Eddie, but I would not shed a tear if you shot him in defense of your person, family, or property.”

                Ah, OK.

                I really don’t want to force anyone to not-bake a gay cake, or to lock up anyone for worshipping or not worshipping differently from me. I don’t even want to lock up adults for voluntary sodomy committed in private. The book linked in my handle provides some more detailed philosophical discussion about the kind of freedom policies (at least for this country) I’d like to see implemented.

                Yes, I’d recognize anyone’s right to shoot me if I aggress against them, but if I were the worst “danger” you faced you’d really be in a very safe situation because you’d only have to worry about me trolling you on H&R.

                1. Hey, I like Fusionist too. But, Fusionist(I’m calling you by your self-identified Catholisex), you do post excessively. To be fair, you do this when a thread is basically dead. So, you do have a conscience, unlike most of the Libertards who are just pot-smoking Republicans.

                  1. Well, I’ll see what I can do about my overposting habits.

                  2. You know what? Maybe Eddie likes the people here. Maybe he’s lonely. Maybe he’s just bored. Who cares?
                    I got called out a while back by some guy who wanted to talk about guns. It was a gun article, and I was way off topic. So what? I told the guy to fuck off.
                    When my wife died, I was very far from my family and friends, and the comments section became… an escape, I guess. I told the asshole (the gun thread guy) that I thought of many of my fellow commentators as friends.
                    Eddie, you post as much as you want, just don’t try to tell me that you’re friend’s mom is making $18123 for working just a few hrs from her computer.

                2. Well Eddie I feel threatened by you voting.
                  I am an Anarchist.
                  The very act of voting means that you are using Government Force against me.

                  1. No, if the candidates I voted for were elected I’d be ratcheting *down* the amount of government force used against you – though that’s often theoretical since my candidates have a tendency to not win.

                    1. To put it another way, if I cast *all* the votes, then you’d be *much* freer than you are under whichever officials prey on you now.

                    2. “To put it another way, if I cast *all* the votes, then you’d be *much* freer than you are under whichever officials prey on you now.”

                      Yeah, xian bleevers bleeve in all sorts of freedom, so long as xian bleevers like eddie find it OK. Check the New Testament Party: http://www.constitutionparty.com/
                      Dipshits like eddie think that ignoring the establishment clause is ‘constitutional’.

                    3. The Fusionist|9.19.16 @ 12:37AM|#
                      “To put it another way, if I cast *all* the votes, then you’d be *much* freer than you are under whichever officials prey on you now.”

                      Except for what the sky daddy said.
                      Fuck off.

                    4. You are still giving your “State Daddy” legitimate force over the choices I make in my life just like Sevo.

                3. I also see Internet tough talk – about people shooting or aborting me – as an exercise of First Amendment rights. I don’t feel threatened, because I’m not a wuss or a US attorney.

                4. Eddie, you’ve argued maybe once in good faith. Maybe. The rest of the time, you’ve employed every bit of sophistry available to avoid an honest response in the hopes you can pitch your superstition.
                  Let’s be clear: You are not only an ignorant bleever; you are a slimy and dishonest propagandist.
                  Now you come back presenting a ‘reasonable’ response as it that were your normal position.
                  Do you expect those of us who read your thousands of attention-begging posts to now believe you’ve become ‘reasonable’?

                  1. “Do you expect those of us who read your thousands of attention-begging posts to now believe you’ve become ‘reasonable’?”

                    No, Mr. sevo, I expect you to get bent.

                    1. “No, Mr. sevo, I expect you to get bent.”

                      Poor, poor eddie. How many posts, eddie? Does your dog tolerate such an ignoramus?

                    2. Dude, you’re being a dick.

                    3. “You know what? Maybe Eddie likes the people here. Maybe he’s lonely. Maybe he’s just bored. Who cares?”

                      I don’t care if he admits he’s here for nothing other than attention, and further admits his posts are bullshit from end to end. As he should.
                      I care when the twit posts bad-faith comments as he does constantly. I have issues with bullshitters
                      Maybe that doesn’t bother you since you’re here for jollies. That’s OK by me, but if you post bullshit like eddie, presume you’ll be called on it.

                    4. Sevo you are my favorite cranky pants. =D

                    5. “Dude, you’re being a dick.”
                      When calling xian bleevers on bullshit is being a dick, I’ll take it.

                    6. Sevo-

                      Are you the type that will go up to a 4 yr old in the park and scream “Santa Claus is a lie!” “And, fuck your Easter Bunny, too”! while spraying her with your spittle?

                      My guess is “yes”…

    2. Sevo. You are one with us. The late night crowd. The after work crowd.
      Embrace your destiny.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMlKmELIhgY

  64. I’m not sure why Democrats think that Johnson/Weld dropping out would help them. Both Clinton and Trump are in the same basket of deplorables, so neither of them is going to win on charm or personality. But when it comes down to actual issues, well…take the test at iSideWith.org and see for yourself.

    1. Hell man. All I know is that I want to join this “Basket of Deplorable’s” thing.
      Without being a “ist” and not voting for The Dump. =D

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY2wtmcADo

  65. The ending of vice principals tonight was epic

  66. 5 Arrested In Chelsea Bombing

    Yet racist scaremonger Donald J Trump walks free while inciting the assassination of the future first woman president of the United States…

    1. “They were headed from Staten Island to Brooklyn on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.”

      So… guidos at a night out on the town?

        1. Staten Islanders don’t ride the subway. They pimp their bassed-out hot-rods. In front of my house.

          1. Rhywun is The Situation?

            1. Gah, that’s New Jersey. I can’t even.

              1. I had to go to Wikipedia to remember his name. And he is from Staten Island. “Sorrentino, an assistant manager of a fitness center in Staten Island,” So my joke is still accurate.

          2. Perhaps you should employ old school methods, Old Schooler….-)

  67. You know what would be awesome?

    Weld defects and starts to shill for Hill.

    Trump withdraws at the last minute.

    HRC drops dead right after.

    Let it all burn.

    1. Hillary turns over all the docs that prove her guilt.

      Trump says screw it and just leaves.

      Weld stops saying the word “duopoly” and just leaves.

      Gary and Jill go up the hill, Jill takes half his shit, makes him ice her cake and Gary sees the light.

  68. Fuck Carl Bernstein. Hillary makes Nixon look like a choirboy.

  69. OK, I just read this thread. Jeez, what a downer. Some people need to get some perspective and calm down.

    The debates will be interesting. I’ll be surprised in Hillary can make it through all of them without coughing, brain-freezing, falling down, or stroking out. All Trump has to do is some studying, keep his tongue in check, and be polite and presidential.

    The poll shift toward Trump will continue.

    I will restate my prediction that Trump will win, and that he’ll do fine among blacks and Hispanics. And, on balance, it’ll be a win for liberty compared to a Hillary win (the only other possible outcome, sorry).

    And President Trump will certainly be much more entertaining than Hillary could ever be.

    P.S.: Fun new app: Candid.

  70. Carl, it’s not “where is Aleppo.” The gaffe was “what is Aleppo.” May seem small, but it’s an important distinction. Johnson explained that he just “blanked” and the subject matter change was so abrupt that he thought maybe ALEPPO was an acronym or something. When clued in that it was Syria, he was like “oh yeah” and launched into a Syria spiel. Whereas “where is Aleppo” implies that he knows it’s geography, he’s just not sure where it is. Not what happened at all.

    Either way, not good, but a reporter should get it right.

    1. No, even when the reporter said “Syria” he was still blank in the face until the guy said “humanitarian.” But at least he’s grateful that nobody got hurt there.

    2. “I got 99 problems, but a leppo ain’t one”. Gary Jay-Z

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  72. If Bill Weld dropped out to endorse Hillary, it would help Trump. Americans don’t like a turncoat, and they don’t like the politically-connected. Trump would have an absolute field day with that.

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