Pennsylvanians Will Have To Pay For Gov. Chris Christie's Bad Spending Habits
With $80 billion in pension debt and after handing out $1.5 billion in corporate welfare, Christie looks across the Delaware River for a bail-out.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie delivered an unpleasant surprise to some Pennsylvanians over Labor Day weekend.
Starting next year, New Jersey will be taking a larger share of the fruits of their labor.
Christie announced on Friday that he will terminate a 39-year-long deal between the two states that allowed residents of Pennsylvania who work in New Jersey to pay The Keystone State's comparatively lower income tax rate. The change in policy affects about 125,000 Pennsylvanians—most of them in Philadelphia and the city's suburbs, according to the Associated Press.
When the tax deal was struck in 1977, New Jersey had a 2.5 percent top income tax rate and Pennsylvania had a 2 percent top income tax rate. Today, things are quite different. Pennsylvania uses a flat income tax rate of 3.07 percent. New Jersey has a progressive tax, with rates ranging from 1.4 percent to 8.97 percent. Practically, that means a Pennsylvanian who works in New Jersey and earns the average per capita income of $50,000 will see their their effective tax rate nearly double next year.
Christie, a Republican, did not even try to hide the fact that he's ending the longstanding tax deal in order to pad his state's bottom line. The Christie administration hopes to collect $180 million annually by dumping the tax agreement with Pennsylvania (it was one of several tax reciprocal agreements that exist between states, like the one that allows workers in Washington, D.C., to pay taxes in whichever state they live).
"In the longer team, it's just one more example of New Jersey not having a welcoming tax environment," said Joseph D. Henchman, vice president of legal and state projects for the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan think tank based in Washington, D.C.
At least the change won't drop New Jersey any further down the Tax Foundation's annual rankings of state tax climates. For 2016, it was already ranked dead last among the 50 states. Pennsylvania ranked a mediocre 32nd in the nation.
Pennsylvanians who are unhappy with their higher tax bills can perhaps find solace in the fact that they will be helping to pay for the retirements of New Jersey state workers and to close a budget gap created by years of questionable spending on corporate welfare.
That's because—despite Christie's claims that he needs more revenue to balance the budget—New Jersey remains a classic example of a state with a spending problem, not a revenue problem. On a per capita basis, only five states collected more revenue in 2013 than New Jersey's state and local governments did (two of them are Alaska and North Dakota, where tiny populations and a reliance on oil and natural gas excise taxes skew per capita measurements like this).
Meanwhile, spending has increased almost every year during Christie's administration: the state spent $29 billion in 2010 when he took over the governorship but the budget Christie signed in July spends $34.5 billion.
Christie blames the spending increases on the state's escalating pension costs. New Jersey's unfunded pension obligations total more than $80 billion, and mandatory state bond disclosures say the two main retirement funds could be completely out of money by the mid-2020s.
To be fair, New Jersey's pension crisis predates Christie's time in office—and it will still exist when he departs. Still, Christie shares in the blame for failing to bring those problems under control. In 2011, Christie reached a deal with Democratic lawmakers that would have curtailed state spending in favor of increasing contributions to the pension system (state employees would have to pay more into the system too). In theory, the deal could have closed the unfunded pension gap within a decade.
In reality, Christie couldn't follow through. Facing political pressure and revenue shortfalls, the governor reduced pension contributions in favor of spending that money in other places.
One of Christie's favorite ways to spend money is by handing out tax breaks to some of his state's biggest businesses.
In his first two years in office, Christie approved $1.57 billion in tax breaks for dozens of companies, the New York Times reported in 2012.
Panasonic got $102.4 million in tax credits to move into a shiny new headquarters—just nine miles down the road from its old headquarters, which was also in New Jersey. Goya Foods received $81.9 million from the state to build offices and a warehouse in Jersey City, and Prudential Insurance was handed $250 million in tax breaks to move from the Newark suburbs to the city's downtown. Those tax breaks, and more, were part of Christie's Urban Transit Hub Tax Credit Program, which sought to move businesses into some of New Jersey's struggling urban cores and help the state regain jobs after the recession.
In most cases, those subsidies weren't creating new jobs. They weren't even poaching jobs from other states. They were just shuffling jobs around inside New Jersey In some cases jobs were lost, like when Campbell's Soup got a $42 million tax break from the state to renovate its Camden offices. When Campbell's announced a year later that it was eliminating 130 jobs, the Christie administration was so furious that it allowed Campbell's to keep $34 million of the initial tax break, the Times reported.
Still, maybe the worst financial boondoggle of the Christie administration (even worse than spending $300,000 on food and booze out of his taxpayer-funded expense account) was the $200 million he tossed at a new shopping mall being built near the Meadowlands sports complex. After construction on the Xanadu mall stalled during the recession, Christie kicked in tax money to get it started again in 2011. Today, the mall is still unfinished, but maybe it'll be ready for a ribbon-cutting before the very concept of a shopping mall is relegated to the history books.
Handing out billions in tax breaks and corporate welfare was always going to be bad for New Jersey's bottom line.
"Giving away future tax revenues is no better than giving away today's," wrote Nicole Gelinas, a contributing editor at the Manhattan Institute, in 2011 when Christie signed off on spending $200 million for the Xanadu mall project. "Voters wouldn't like it if Christie took $200 million out of this year's budget to give to real-estate developers. Structured tax-supported financing is the same thing, in disguise, and pushes bigger deficits onto future governors' watches."
Not just onto future governors' watches, it turns out, but onto residents of other states too. After years of bad fiscal decisions, Pennsylvanians will have to help bail out New Jersey.
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New Jersey has a progressive tax, but anyone making more than $40,000 annually pays the top rate of 8.97 percent.
Finally a government progressive enough to punish those billionaire one percenters.
$300,000 on food and liquor? It's time for him to tighten his belt, or get a longer one.
Your next Attorney General of the United States of America, folks. Your next tax-hiking, Twinkie-snarfing, Obama-hugging, marijuana-fighting Attorney General of the motherfucking United goddamn States of Amurika.
Look, it wasn't his fault. He'd have totally solved the pension crisis and left NJ with a surplus if he hadn't had to deal with a democratic legislature.
Please. That fat fuck fooled frillions of folks with his, "I'm smacking around the Teachers Unions," Fred Flintstone's Girth of the GOP bit. And to think The Corpulent Jesus, The Donut Glazed Torquemada himself, was ever seriously considered to be POTUS material.
That Rotund Repubican should have a roasting spit shaft shoved in his ass and cleaning the other side with his tongue to make clean for the apple so's Jersey can roast this Lipoid Litigator and feast on his carcass.
You do realize I was being sarcastic? Has your English comprehension deteriorated so much, ????
meow
Stuff it, buddy. I address you further down the thread.
You do realize I was being sarcastic? Has your English comprehension deteriorated so much, ????
Yes, your scent is still rife, and that's one odour one can't forget. That aside, I never pass up a chance to insult Sir Cumference, Knight Lord of The Toxic Wasteland.
He is a pretty big target.
Yeah, even Troomp couldn't miss. That's how pathetic that Goobernatorial Bucket of Pig Lard and Pork Rings is. TROOMP made him look like the jackass he is. In spades. And Christ Christie, rose again on the Third Day, begging Troomp for a reach around.
SAD!
"Donut Glazed Torquemada". Now that one has got some panache'
Nice rant, Doc.
Whoa! Groovus. Take it easy. It's not even 9am here!
GO HOME GROOVUS
YOU'RE DRUNK!
The Donut Glazed Torquemada
Awesome
Boy, the comments are gold today.
Well, the teachers certainly agreed that this was case. Just ask my wife or any of her coworkers.
The teachers used to get their pensions without any contributions on their part. Now they have to kick in, but less than cops, firemen, and bureaucrats do. It was hardly the gehenna that the NJEA made it out to be, but it's not like it was just for show.
"It was hardly the gehenna that..."
*sighs contently*
Thanks for that.
Trump won't pick Christie for AG, he'll choose a midtown attorney he knows named Mike Gallow, who only attends meetings and press conferences via speakerphone and whose voice sounds suspiciously like Trump's.
Christie will have a role in the Trump Whitehouse, but either as a chambermaid or living lawn jockey.
Food taster or jester? Of course, do they have be to separate jobs, really?
He will also be Trump's sex valet on the nights when Trump bangs Christie's wife. He'll have to stand in the corner of the Lincoln bedroom and watch, ever ready with a roll of condoms that Trump will never use, and a towel to mop up the tramp stamp of Trump's face that he makes Christie's wife get.
You are cruel and perverse...
I approve.
Gallow. I see what you did there. Lynch, Gallow, hahaha.
Not Whitehouse Grillmaster?
Haha no way. He might get to be tong caddy, and is he does a good job Trump will let him eat a bun with some ketchup in it.
Not if anyone else wants to eat, no.
You think Hillary will appoint Jersey the Hutt? I mean he does fit her requirements for high corruption level, but he's a Republican.
She's pretty much the same style of "bipartisan" neoconservative he is, but I suspect she won't forget his little speech at the RNC about her.
Considering the rogue's gallery of criminals that preceded Christie in office, I'm torn between inflicting him on the rest of you and keeping him here as a sort of stop-gap to prevent the horrible Democrats that must be waiting in the wings.
I'm constantly amazed at how people keep going back to the Democrats in this state when every Democratic governor of the last 40 years save Codey (a temporary steward that never wanted the job) were undeniable disasters.
And the current bench? It ain't pretty.
Jon Corzine Jr. is already running ads. They are eyeroll-inducing.
I thought Clinton was a lock. Now we're on to Trump being a lock?
Or is he playing both sides??
125,000 people have a financial decision to make.
I'd like to see DC cancel its reciprocity with MD and VA. just for shits and giggles.
You've got to figure it's only a matter of time. DC sure as hell isn't going to rein in its spending habits.
That could get very interesting. a *lot* of people already work for the feds, both directly and indirectly, outside of the imperial city. It might encourage more relocation of official duty locations to the suburbs.
Hmm, I kind of like the sound of that.
"In the longer team, it's just one more example of New Jersey not having a welcoming tax environment," said Joseph D. Henchman, vice president of legal and state projects for the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan think tank based in Washington, D.C
Well La Boehm, looks like you may have yourself a bona fide RC's Law here, due to the unfortunate (though totally appropriate) surname of this here DC policy wonk.
Or just yet another Reason why for all the Kochtapus' money in the world can't seem to procure a copy editor had me flummoxed. Perhaps if they cut back on Froot Sooshi's follicular allowance, they may be able to afford one.
Why is there a foundation devoted to taxes? Taxes don't need any help at all springing forth on their own accord, and certainly don't a a foundation promoting them.
I think they're against taxes, not for them.
They are. Forgot the /sarc tag.
Whoops.
You know what I found out this summer?
Washington doesn't charge Oregon residents sales tax. If you show your ID, they take it off the bill.
You know what I found out about 10 years ago?
People in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan are idiots. Went into a liquor store to buy some beer and the dude carded me. "Sorry, we don't accept these. What is it?" "It's called a Passport."
Yuppers, lol.
Oh, he didn't stop there. After explaining how I wasn't an American resident and had lived in Europe and Asia for the past decade, he decided it was necessary for me to learn about his trip to Utah he and the family were planning. 20 minutes. I guess he was lonely.
So not only did he not sell you beer, he made you listen to that bullshit? And at no time did you say 'look, buddy, I want some beer, so if I'm going to listen to your story, I'm gonna be getting that beer'?
And he doesn't believe it's legal for Europeans to buy beer while in the USA? Well, considering where you were, I believe it. You may have been the first furener round them there parts for a while.
I'm not a furener, Dammit. Though he did have a hard time placing my accent. Wisconsin, dipshit. You know that state right under you? I wasn't rude to him, actually. I'll take a dude like that to half the people I've met in da big city.
Talk to Texicano (haven't seen him around recently, though). He's got stories from his time visiting New Mexico that are pretty funny. Reason Tokyo meetup is only two right now.
He's got stories from his time visiting New Mexico that are pretty funny.
RE: our liquor laws? Like Albuquerque slapping servers with multi-thousand dollar fines for serving customers without checking IDs? Or shutting down a grocer's in-store liquor sales for a couple weeks if a clerk does same? Or servers refusing service to senior patrons who forget their IDs? When these bullshit laws passed a few years ago the state ran nauseatingly sanctimonious radio spots featuring a bartender declining to serve a WW2 vet. Maybe he recounted how New Mexico managed to pass civil seizure reforms requiring a criminal conviction before assets can be forfeited, but Albuquerque continues seizing and ransoming cars back to unconvicted owners flagrantly in contrivance to state legislation.
We are just a hot mess of moral panic and budget-padding extortion here.
Oregon doesn't charge Washington State residents sales tax either.
Boom.
*cymbal crash*
We really have one political party, the Republicrats. All they really do is argue over how much money we'll borrow and then waste. It's apparently a credit card with no limit...
But have you seen who our last governors were? I am no giant fan of Christie, but he has been wonderful compared to the previous decade of NJ governors.
I know that Christie is basically a RINO, but I can believe that even a RINO is an improvement relative to the average Democrat around those parts. Christie probably wouldn't survive in NJ if he wasn't a RINO, but it doesn't mean that I want him in a federal executive appointment.
NOT TAKING = GIVING!
I was going to say something, but given how ass backwards it all is maybe that makes sense to someone.
Goya Foods received $81.9 million from the state to build offices and a warehouse in Jersey City
That's just a crazy way to say that.
I'll help the author out here:
"Goya Foods received promises from the state that their state tax bill would be $81.9 million lower than it otherwise would be, if they built offices and a warehouse in Jersey City (and likely bribed officials with campaign contributions)."
Is that so hard?
That makes it sound worse!
Now I'm conflicted.
I use Goya in most of my "ethnic" cooking.
If someone promised to not steal from you quite as much, would you say "no thanks"?
Goya Foods ain't the ones who are reprehensible here.
Don't know how I missed that at first. Goya sucks. Bitter, nasty thing that should never be eaten.
*throws can of Goya Frijoles Negros at straffinrun*
I would have left this out of the article, given that every governor does the same damn thing.
It's their own fucking fault for living in Pennsylvania or New Jersey to begin with.
If you don't flee to a western red state, you are actively endorsing progressivism. I'm looking at you, Playa.
I fled too far. There was no sign telling me it was time to stop.
Really? There wasn't a "Welcome to California" sign?
That was your sign to stop.
To be fair, there were. Multitudes. You were just too stoned to see them.-)
Hey, he sent a car, a boat, and then a helicopter which you ignored . . . wait, wrong joke.
People have their reasons for living in statist areas - jobs, family, dating, better entertainments possibilities. Not all life is about politics.
That being said, I moved from one of the most statists states, to one in the middle of the pack, to cut down on some of that crap.
That's crazy-talk. Enjoying the high taxes and far leftist government are the only possible reasons I could want to live in, say, NYC.
Wrong. The high taxes and far leftist government override any other reasons anyone who isn't a prog could possibly have for living there. If you're willing to tolerate them, you are a progressive.
People who live in NYC are evil because they chose to live in NYC. People who live in Alabama are virtuous because they live in Alabama.
It's like you don't even understand how this works.
It's a miracle to me that NYC is still a relevant center of commerce with the types of criminals that run that city, but I think that it is relevant due to its sheer scale despite all factors that are working against it. I won't go anywhere near it as a place to live, but I know several people that live there or SF because of the opportunities and "culture" (i.e. all of their cool prog friends are doing the same thing).
It's got two major rivers converging as they flow into the ocean, with flat areas to build ports.
It's gonna have a lot of people living there with that huge geographical advantage, despite politicians doing their best to make people flee.
That's the genius of it. Tax refugees flee to friendlier shores, sure, but you can always pay people to come live there. And there's no way that arrangement will ever fail.
It's that genius that helps contribute to the spread of the progressive virus. The indoctrination starts at a much younger age, of course, but what tends to happen is that when people of my age start to have families, they move to areas with better economic freedoms and lower taxes out of necessity. They still, however, vote for the same type of politicians no matter where they move.
Voters make politicians, at least to my eyes. It doesn't matter to me if the vast majority of them didn't show up to vote, because if a huge populace allowed a criminal like de Blasio to enter the Mayor's office, that's because their actions showed that they wanted him.
Other than that, though, I agree with you. NYC does have geographical advantages that other cities don't have. I just wonder if much of that city's remaining economic vibrancy has more to do with inertia than anything else.
On the other hand, it makes total sense that Upstate New York's economy is in perpetual shambles, because they're at the peril of NYC voters and the subsequent corruption, high taxes, and regulations that come with it, without any of the urban appeal. If Upstate New York formed their own state away from NYC and Long Island, they would be much better off IMO.
Well, according to the Freedom in 50 States things, I could get a whole bunch more freedom by moving from Austin (Texas = 20something rating) to Oklahoma City (Oklahoma = top 5).
Which ain't happening.
Why anyone would move to NJ unless they got a great paying job, tho -- beats me.
I would live in NJ before anywhere in TX or OK.
Not everybody has the same priorities.
I would live in NJ before anywhere in TX or OK.
OK, I'll bite -- why?
Weather and proximity to friends and family, culture (not "Culture").
Not everybody has the same morality, but we still lock them up when they commit murder, and you're still wrong for valuing literally any thing in life over living someplace reliably republican.
I'm not sure I can make my facetiousness any more obvious. At this point I'm comparing you to a murderer because you live in a city.
I'm not sure I can make my facetiousness any more obvious.
Try wearing these...
Sorry, I have a prog GF who makes arguments that sound completely crazy to me, but make sense to her, to the point that we agreed last night to just not talk politics at all for a while.
So my sarcasm meter is a bit broken as a result.
That, and the aspiness.
Sorry, I have a prog GF
I hope the sex is worth it.
Crutches for people who lack the courage of their convictions.
It appears from the article that the $1.5 billion in tax breaks is not stealing quite as much from connected companies, which is cronyist but still IMO a good thing, not handing them money upfront with no taxes due.
Less theft is better than more theft.
Shorter: it's not "welfare" when gangsters steal less than they initially said they would.
No, but it's still cronyist when the Gang Leader's Friends get mugged for less than everybody else does, especially when it's done under color of law.
Joey Da Henchman?
Really?
This guy is a shoe in for AG. Forget about Jersey the Hutt.
I wonder if the guy is secretly great friends with the Mook that works for Clinton.
It's bad enough the Garden State blocks our view of the ocean, now they have to make our Philadelphians suffer? They're already the same quality asshole as New Jerkseyans but to make Filthacrapia migrant workers also pay like them? New Jersey Democrat Chris Christie has sunk to a new low.
Waffer thin.
+1 rib cage
Waffen thin.
Don't mention the war!
I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.
Thank you. Now I can go to bed.
Christie announced on Friday that he will terminate a 39-year-long deal between the two states that allowed residents of Pennsylvania who work in New Jersey to pay The Keystone State's comparatively lower income tax rate.
LOOPHOLE CLOSED!
Take that, tax cheats.
OT: But here's a nice GIF for the facebookers.
"I'm fat - it's time you went on a diet!"
"And you need to get some plastic surgery, too, because I'm really ugly."
So serious question: are these PA residents now double taxed because they live in one state and work in another or do they just pay NJ's income tax? How does that work exactly?
When I lived in Hawaii, I paid Hawaii taxes on the Hawaii portion of income, and CA taxes on the CA portion of income from a rental house.
Income is usually taxed on where you earn it, not on where you declare you live. Otherwise, everyone would declare they live in a no income tax state like Texas.
Huh. I clearly don't think like a tax planner/evader.
PA residents will get a credit towards their PA income tax for the amount paid to NJ.
Philadelphia which has its own abominable wage tax stand to lose the most, as the credit will also be applied against the city's tax.
I live in NY and work in NJ, and I'm still trying to figure it out. I have to let the tax software do it for me. There is some involvement with deducting taxes paid to one state from taxes owed to the other.
Depends on PA - in most places you get a credit based on the amount of tax you paid in the other jurisdiction.
For example, with Federal taxes, income earned outside the country and taxed in a foreign jurisdiction, those tax payments can be deducted from your Federal tax bill - if you paid the other jurisdiction less than you'd have paid the US for the same income you have to pony up the difference, if more you, of course, don't get a refund.
Don't feel too bad PA residents, in a few years the rest of us will be asked to pick up the tab for NJ also.
Goya Foods ain't the ones who are reprehensible here.
I'm not so sure about that. They are shifting costs onto others. If the State of New Jersey struck through line items in their budget totalling the "tax relief" offered to Goya, it would be different.
We can niggle about the morality of taxation, but if you steal the money, you should steal it in a consistent manner, from everybody.
Goya Foods isn't shifting costs onto others. Chris Christie and the rest of the pols doing the shifting are the ones at fault.
Thought experiment to clarify things: a mafia gang (let's give it a random name, like "The State of New Jersey") is stealing from everyone (let's give them another random name, like "taxpayers"), so the mafia gang can buy hookers and blow, or whatever.
One of the victims of this theft cuts a deal where they pay less in extorted money. The mafia eventually bumps up the theft of everyone else a bit more, because they sure as fuck ain't going to cut back on their purchases of hookers and blow.
Who is initiating force here? The mafia or the victim who cut a deal?
You can object to a thumb on a scale without wanting to cut it off.
Well, the states aren't as unconstrained as the feds, but to adapt Orwell, the purpose of plunder is plunder.
States don't decide how much they need to provide some pre-determined services, and then establish a tax policy designed to raise that much money. They first decide how much money they can get away with taking (and from whom, with the bias being toward "wealthier" and toward "less powerful" for obvious reasons). Then they spend it as they find best (for their political careers).
With federal deficit spending, the taxing and spending barely influence one another. But even at the state level, the relationship is one-way -- taxation limits spending, but spending does not influence taxation so much (with certain exceptions such as spending attached to bond issues). As such, there is no burden to shift or share.
Just need more New Jerseyans to follow this guy's lead:
http://nypost.com/2016/04/10/t.....o-florida/
Not mentioned in the above article was probably the most egregious of all the corporate giveaways: 82 million for the Sixers practice facility in Camden
http://articles.philly.com/201.....n-facility
We're talking 'bout practice...
Totally shocking! If you've ever seen the Sixers play, you wonder that they practice at all.
Goya Foods isn't shifting costs onto others
Money is fungible. Look at it as you wish.
Money is only fungible when used as a unit of account. Money as a store of value or money as a medium of exchange is not fungible per se. Unless Goya Foods is paying less in tax than they* consume in government services, it is the State of New Jersey shifting costs around, not Goya.
* = Here, "they" refers to the corporation and its operations, not the employees' lives or activities outside of work
*looks at it as a flank steak cooked rare*
So Pennsylvania has increased their income tax rate by 50% over the last 30 years and they still are having trouble making ends meet. Interesting.
I always find it funny how more populous areas tend to have higher tax rates than less populous areas. Sure, there are some additional concerns that come with higher population density, but that is offset by the simple fact that more people (should) mean more taxpayers. Raising tax rates relative to less dense surrounding areas is generally a tacit admission of the failure of existing policies.
It's easier to raise a free-shit brigade in a high-density area.
It is funny to me that they talk about "equality" so much yet they are some of the most unequal places where tax burden is concerned.
It's especially interesting because it started as a two-year temporary income tax several decades ago.
My wife and I live in PA and work in the shit hole that is NJ. Since we live in a quiet, rural county in PA, we have very low taxes, minimal regulations, and don't even have a police department. I even have a nice collection of NFA firearms. Basically as long as your stay away from the heavily populated counties, PA is the most libertarian place one can live in the Northeast. While it sucks having to drive into such a shit hole police state everyday, the pay is great. This change though will raise our household income taxes by well over $10k a year and will eliminate the only benefit of working in NJ. Looks like we'll be searching for new employment elsewhere. Fuck off NJ, I hope you sink into the ocean.
This FaFu is literally a RINO. In both mass and ideology.
OT: waiting for the Rico Soave article on Cal State's segregated dorms...
Time to vote with your feet, Pennsylvanians
Time to vote with their hobnailed boots.
/ha ha, just kidding