Newt Gingrich in 2013: 'We Simply Cannot Continue' With 'Catastrophic' Immigration Rhetoric
But Trump's speech last night? 'Energetic and audacious'!

Former House speaker and current Donald Trump supporter Newt Gingrich was super psyched about the Republican nominee's big immigration speech last night:
Mexican President by day, firm immigration speech by night. Good example of how energetic and audacious a Trump Presidency will be.
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) September 1, 2016
Energetic and audacious! I can think of other words to describe a speech advocating federal "ideological certification," heavy "consequences" for U.S. companies that relocate, getting Gulf States to pay for safe zones in Syria, and Lord knows what else, but hey look! The media!
DC media anger over Trump speech reflects their left wing pro illegal, anti law enforcement bias. Most Americans dont agree with them
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) September 1, 2016
There's more in that vein over at Gingrich's Twitter feed.
Well, what if I told you there was another critic of a GOP presidential nominee's harsh-sounding immigration politics who warned that such "rhetoric can kill the Republican Party among Latinos," only this time it wasn't some subversive left-wing cop hater in a decadent enclave, but, uh, Newt Gingrich? Check him on out from February 2013, as reported by The Hill:
"It is difficult to understand how someone running for President of the United States, a country with more than 50 million Hispanic citizens, could fail to acknowledge that the American people should not take grandmothers who have been here 25 years, have deep family and community ties — and forcibly expel them," he writes before attacking Romney for his comments on "self-deportation," warning that "rhetoric can kill the Republican Party among Latinos." […]
"I write this because as the current immigration debate heats up it is critical for us to recognize that words and attitudes really matter," he writes. "Understanding what people hear matters. We may not mean to say what people hear we say. After decades in politics this is a lesson I have learned the hard way. As a party, we simply cannot continue with immigration rhetoric that in 2012 became catastrophic—in large part because it was not grounded in reality."
Mitt Romney, it cannot be stated enough, ran his 2012 GOP primary campaign as a hawk's hawk on immigration, bashing Gingrich as a softy, and claiming (ludicrously) that Rick Perry's in-state tuition rates for illegal-immigrant kids in Texas was "a magnet to draw illegals into the state." As for the buffoonish Gingrich, his mouth is capable of stringing together endless combinations of words, including, this March, "Trump's shift toward inclusiveness, team effort and unity was vitally important. He has to build a Reagan like inclusiveness to win this fall."
Whatever the defective habits of mind and politics that produced and enabled yesterday's display of dystopian fabulism—scratch that, unassailable policy—it predated Trump's involvement in Republican politics and will certainly outlive his exit.
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I cannot envision any scenario in which I give a single fuck about Newt Gingrich's views on anything.
"Republican strategist" Matt Welch gives a fuck what Newt thinks for a living now.
Git-R-Done.
Neocons-Git-R-Done.
SIV posts the same tired crap.
Well, he does have a mind like a siv.
His momma talkin' to him tryin' to tell him how to live!
"I cannot envision any scenario in which I give a single fuck about Newt Gingrich's views on anything."
What if he's the next Attorney General?
Rumor has it that Gingrich was the runner up in the competition to be Trump's running mate.
If Trump wins, Gingrich will probably have a major role in the Trump Administration.
Personally, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Some people are famous for being famous. Some people are hated for being hated. I don't know why people hate Gingrich so much. A lot of it seems to be like reflexive hatred for Ronald Reagan.
Gingrich is a RINO neocon. Big gov, nanny state and war on constitution are a-okay with 'ol Newt.
When you say he's a neocon, what do you mean by that?
And you're saying he's a Republican in name only?
How so?
I look at the Contract With America, and I don't see how he's a RINO anywhere.
John Boehner was a phony Republican.
I don't know why people hate Gingrich so much
Advocating the death penalty for drugs is a good reason in my books.
Sounds a little sensationalist to me--like something the NYT would write about Trump.
You got a link for that?
There was a reflexive hatred for Reagan?!
Newt Gingrich
Who?
Is this unique to the Trump phenomenon? This mass flocking of party loyalists from treetop to treetop, following the candidate as he aimless wanders his way toward some kind of coherent platform? I doubt it. The incoherence is relatively new, but you always close ranks behind the chosen candidate, even if that means jettisoning your previous politics and, if you still had one, your very soul.
The PUMA 2.0's will soon be crowing for Hillary as full throated as the previously Bern-enamored journalistic pundits and talking hairdos now are, no matter how hawkish and rightwing her rhetoric.
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Learn all their customs.
Never tell them no.
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God help those who do.
Can I play the piano anymore?
Congrats HM, that much more coherent than your average comment.
Or lecture.
Time for a re-run: Newt Gingrich Idea or Supervillian Scheme?
http://shortformblog.com/post/.....t-gingrich
Hm, it appears the site has been taken down.
...and the owner is in a shallow, lime-filled grave?
*dramatic chord*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
Stirring up anti-barbarian rhetoric while depending more and more on barbarian mercenaries to defend the provinces. Who is Stilicho in this new version?
And those mercenary barbarians demanding more money and booty or else they won't fight.
Until...one of them is sitting perched on a seat to a kingdom much like Conan the Barbarian.
You stiff Alaric enough times, he'll get wise.
Hitler?
Energetic? Was he watching the same Trump I was? The one standing limply next to the Mexican president? His Vicodin must have worn off by the evening rally.
And you expect fucking Gingrich to have any sort of ethics?
See, Matt, you're still not hearing him right. I'll try to help. For example:
What you are taking as support is really meant as a warning: watch out, Trump will actually to try to do this stuff. And it hardly needs pointing out, who he's referencing with "audacious". Gingrich is a deep guy, and you're not getting him. Not your fault, though.
He's referring here not to Washington DC, but rather to the DC Comics marketing division, which is understandably apoplectic over the potential of a Trump win. As well they should be, since those most threatened by the world turning into a caricature, are people whose job it is to try and sell outlandish comic book stories. And, if most people agreed with marketing, then there would hardly be any need for marketing, now would there. So he's spot-on, yet again.
OT: My lefty gf
Is watching a youtube vid of The Don's appearance on 'The View' right now. I didn't even know he ever went on there. I'm trolling her really hard right now (pertaining to them accusing the don as 'birther', and how hitlery was the first, among other things) and am probably gonna have to sleep on the couch tonight. Totally worth it. That is all.
Stay strong, brother--my wife was a SWPL prog when I met her and now she's a cosmotarian. Mocking their sacred cows results in one of two things; they either come to respect your spine for not sucking up to them just to get laid, or they break it off with you and save you a lifetime's worth of misery.
So, in other words she's now a SWPL prog who likes low taxes?
Baby steps.
Dumb question:
Who was the H&R commenter whose shtick was the argument that cannabis oil would save 500K people from dying of cancer every year?
M. Simon
Yeah.
Was he also the one who was part of some group that believed they'd make table-top fusion happen or something? *(like, that there was some secret for 'free energy' which the Corporations had been keeping from us, along with the weed-based-cure for cancer)
or was that someone else? i can't remember.
Thank you.
Yeah, this all came about because of Nancy Reagan.
She was worse than Hitler, after all.
Think how many will die as GayJay suspends his cannabusiness for a vanity presidential run on the incoherent SJW Chamber of Commerce ticket.
This is a thing? How? Where?
It's an apt description of the 2016 LP ticket.
On second thought, you're right! Let's hate each other to victory!
Gary Johnson wouldn't even drone-bomb SIV, that's how much he believes in the rule of law.
It will probably have that effect if half a million people drown in it. The death certificates won't even mention cancer!
Off topic: I saw an electronic billboard ad for Gary Johnson today in Tukwila, WA. It said "Legitimate Option". Can he rent Trump's team for just a day?
Can he rent Trump's team for just a day?
"Legitimate Option" is the kinda slogan you get when 62% of your campaign spending goes directly in the pocket of your manager as "consulting fees". To say it's fuckin' amateur hour is a compliment.
I am reminded of this Red vs. Blue meme
immortalized in this lovely t-shirt
They no longer sell the "00" Caboose jersey, which upsets me.
excuse me = the "-1" Caboose jersey. (sigh) that was the whole joke. (team killing)
Newt Gingrich in 2013: 'We Simply Cannot Continue' With 'Catastrophic' Immigration Rhetoric
DEE: You guys didn't give a shit about artifacts two hours ago!
MAC: So what? Now we do.
Aren't this guy's 15 minutes up yet?
Not as long as he can draw a paycheck from someone/ anyone who buys his "analysis." But I did like his alt history trilogy on the Civil War.
He's working at a Megawarhol.
Iceland is full of bastards.
"And her country guarantees some of the most generous parental leave in the world: nine months at 80% pay (three months for mom, three for dad and another three to be divvied up).
"As a result, women are emboldened to start families whether or not their men took Beyonc?'s advice to "put a ring on it.""
But alas, the article says later, the government may be running out of money.
Then it will be time to emigrate.
I thought that was something of a genetic necessity. There's such a small gene pool, they have to cross breed as much as possible.
According to the article, it's encouraged by generous welfare payments.
true regardless
Also, not a good example couple. Four kids and they live together in a functional two-parent relationship. Functionally they are married, they just don't have the meaningless stamp of state approval.
That's no shit.
At this point, they're all talking stupid shit out of their asses where immigration is concerned.
Did I hear right? The Don was talking about deporting illegals and having them come back and apply through proper channels? The very channels that create the problem in the first place?
Good luck with that, bubs.
Also, I would appreciate if the candidates could comment on Amazon sending me 'Rate your transaction' too early. I just got my cooking torch! GIVE ME A CHANCE TO USE IT!
I'm gonna so have fun making charcoal out of my raisin bran.
These euphemisms etc...
Dueling ag articles, courtesy the SF Chron:
1) "California farmworkers await decision on historic overtime bill"
[...]
"Field hands from Wine Country to the Central Valley are welcoming news that they might be in line for a pay increase if Gov. Jerry Brown signs a new bill granting them overtime. "
http://www.sfchronicle.com/
2) "California farm revenue plummets after years of drought"
[...]
"Farmers in California lost more than $9 billion in revenue last year as the ongoing drought forced them to fallow fields, shut down farms and cut labor costs."
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bus.....196365.php
Prediction: Farmworkers could get overtime if they had a job.
Jesus, nothing rubs me the wrong way so much as the journalists who insist on pretending that "politicians" are the Real Big Boss Men who sign their paychecks.
Jerry Brown's going to "Give" you a raise!! and if those employers cut your hours? well, its because they're "greedy", not like Uncle Jerry, who wants only the best for you.
Like when Nancy Pelosi saved Americans $billions by improving their gas mileage.
Ask her about her winery.
"Is it a blatant case of liberal hypocrisy or a hatchet job by conservative commentators?
[...]
Nancy Pelosi has received awards from the United Farm Workers Union. She has accepted considerable campaign financing from unions. And yet the vineyard that she and her husband own in Napa is non-union. That's the gist of the allegation of hypocrisy, but it's far from the whole story.
[...] As Peter Schweizer of the Hoover Institution pointed out in his book, the Pelosis hire non-union labor."
http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/no.....nized.html
Hasn't changed.
And that walking advert for avoiding plastic surgery deserves piling on:
"Nancy Pelosi's high-security shoe-shopping trip"
[...]
""The big black SUV then darts out across both lanes of traffic with (red and blue lights) flashing in both front and rear windows," Smith wrote. "It goes directly into the red zone/fire hydrant area" and stops in front of Footcandy ? a shoe store frequented by the likes of Oprah Winfrey and Victoria Beckham, where a pair of shoes can set you back anywhere from $100 to more than $1,000."
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bay.....ncy-Pelosi
Pics that mike make you heave.
They of course leave out when Uncle Sam wanted to intern Jap-Americans, drone strike innocents and steal your money because the officer was mistaken about the law.
Your daily bathos from a recent Clinton ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q2oLn8Bmfo
Brett L, did you move back to the panhandle?
Clinton: Because Vagina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkZpmNhosQw
Hitlery has a vagina? I thought that was a massive black hole swallowing the constitution word by word.
OT: Just in case you like your late-night brickbats. First rule of fight club: You get clubbed if you talk about fight club.
High school administrators routinely - and illegally - access law enforcement database to check up on students, get the whistle blown on them, whistleblower only one involved who faces punishment.
And speaking of accessing databases, guess who's going through your medicine cabinet?
Thirty-one states grant law enforcement warrantless access to databases containing drug histories, and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration is pushing hard to search records even in states that have privacy safeguards.
The best part? Thirty-four of the 49 state programs responding to the survey say they have never conducted an audit of their programs. Twenty-three of the 31 states that allow warrantless access have never audited their prescription monitoring programs.
They have no idea how many fishing trips the cops go on; it's never occurred to them to check.
Coming up on 15 yrs since GWOT started and, surprise surprise, our lives are more transparent than the most transparent administration ever. It's no wonder the natives are getting restless. And yet they still look to their relentless tormentor for relief.
Check out the d120!
NERDS!
Johnson/Weld
Pro Slavery and Anti-Gun
You are one slimy piece of shit.
No, I didn't bother clicking on that because you lie. You lie always and everywhere. You are one slimy piece of shit.
Fuck off.
Listen to what Weld says in this interview @ 16:30 re: guns
And what are you going to do about it?
he's a combination of hideously wrong and nonsensical - and his very-statist assertion that these "problems" are "solved" by 'different, more targeted forms of enforcement' is just a cherry on the sundae.
you can mock SIV's nagging, but he's not wrong about Weld.
his joke about "slavery" is weld's comment about how "Human trafficking" (ENB's bugbear) is a scourge which govt must also stamp out w/ more enforcement. and how "free trade" (like the TPP) shouldn't be allowed if it ends up overlooking/permitting that sort of awfulness.
I'm not quite so horrified by all this since i'm not much interested in either of them. but you have to be amazed how the LP candidates struggle at even 'pretending' to have any libertarian ideas.
That's . . . That's pretty near jibberish.
I don't know - maybe when Weld served during WW1 a five shot rifle was standard. Since I've been alive its been the M-16 and that started out with a *20* round magazine and is now 30 as standard - and if you 'attach a clip so it can fire more shells', it'll probably jam the fuck up on you. Its why soldiers don't like the 50 round magazines available.
And if you take out the pin - well, there are only a couple of pins you can be talking about. The retaining pin or the firing pin. Take out the former and the rifle falls apart. Take out the latter and it simply fails to function - there's no way that 'taking out a pin' can turn it into an automatic weapon.
'Becomes a weapon of mass destruction'? FFS - this is like 'terrorism'. Once a moderately useful descriptor, now applied to everything and so rendered meaningless.
And the handguns are worse? Do they become super-automatic weapons when you take out the pin? Maybe that turns them into 'ghostguns' that fire 30 clips per second.
FFS Weld. Shut the fuck up about guns. You know not a fucking thing about them or gun violence.
Everytime I think 'Johnson's OK and Weld's not too bad' he has to go and open his mouth and fuck it up.
VP Weld, you're running for VP. You're job is to look pretty and back up the guy running for President.
Stop. Fucking. Undermining. Johnson.
"you can mock SIV's nagging, but he's not wrong about Weld."
Yeah, now tell me about the slavery.
That piece of shit with the SIV handle may occasionally find an acorn, but sorry, I no longer care.
Pathetic. And obnoxious.
SIV, stuff it up your butt.
Looks like you got pretty effectively served by Gilmore.
You read InfoWars man. What the hell is wrong with those people?
The quoted interview was here
I generally don't believe "infowars" either so i went and listened to the interview myself.
I've got this story bookmarked - Austin cop filmed pepper spraying handcuffed man given 45 day suspension. That's somewhat good news, isn't it?
The story says the deal worked out between the chief and the cop is that the cop won't appeal the suspension and the chief won't fire him. It also says the terms of the suspension include no pay, a psych eval, and a year's probation. Seems to be some rare kinda-good news, but I'd like to check back in 45 days and see if that agreement not to appeal the suspension includes an agreement not to appeal the terms of the suspension or - as I have a cynical and totally unwarranted suspicion - this cop will wind up appealing the no-pay provision and the appeals board will, surprise, surprise, agree that the cop is entitled not only to appeal the no-pay provision but is also entitled to the back pay. Maybe get rid of that pesky year's probation, too. That's the way it seems too often to work, even the very rare public punishment is followed by a quiet rescission of the punishment by the appeals board. A 45-day suspension turns into a 45-day paid vacation and the chief gets to claim he tried his best to punish the guy but that dang appeals board foiled his efforts.
Or maybe I'm just too damn cynical and can't even accept good news that there sometimes is some accountability.
It says the prosecutor is having the grand jury review it.
No, the prosecutor should do an investigation and, if he thinks an indictment is warranted, he should show the grand jury the evidence and give his argument of why there should be an indictment. Then the grand jury votes (or asks for more evidence).
It's almost like there's a plan in this country to get grand juries abolished by letting them take the heat for the prosecutor's decisions, and to give the prosecutor cover.
I'd say that unless the grand jury is genuinely conducting an investigation on its own initiative, independent of the prosecutor, then the prosecutor needs to sign a form saying yes, he wants an indictment and he wants to bring the person to trial. Then the grand jury can decide if the prosecutor's argument is good enough.
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In order to reset the balance of this incredibly dumb post I give you...
Trey Gowdy Owning Everyone Compilation 2016