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Is 49ers' QB Colin Kaepernick Right To Sit During the National Anthem?

Refuses to honor flag of a country he says "oppresses black people and people of color."

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Colin Kaepernick, who plays quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers, refused to stand during the playing of the national anthem at a pre-season game. In case anyone missed his intent, Kaepernick clarified it after the game:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

Although it encourages players to do so, the NFL doesn't require them to stand during the playing of the anthem.

Kaepernick's protest has drawn a huge amount of online reaction, much of it flatly critical. Fellow football players have been more supportive, though hardly uncritical.

Former football player, Biggest Loser participant, and ESPN analyst Damien Woody tweeted:

Justin Pugh of the New York Giants tweeted:

As the legendary sportswriter and young-adult novelist Robert Lipsyte—he was among the first sports-beat scribes to write about characters such as Muhammad Ali and Billie Jean King as agents of social change—told Reason a few years back, sports isn't a respite from all the political, cultural, and economic battles of the everyday world. No, it's a prism through which to view, engage, and debate those very concerns. People who say that sports is not the place to talk about serious issues are trying to live in a fantasy world.

I've never felt comfortable during the playing of the national anthem during professional sporting events, simply because it strikes me as either an empty gesture or a forced ritual. Standing for the national anthem before a hockey or baseball tells us precisely nothing about anyone's patriotism or feelings toward the country, especially when it is forced.

Yet Kaepernick's gesture strikes me as a particularly weak display considering the apparent depth of his feelings on questions of police violence toward racial and ethnic minorities. I share many of his concerns about systemic racism stemming from policies such as the drug war, but his overly broad and condemnatory language strikes me as easy to dismiss, especially given the economic, legal, and culurals perks afforded to professional athletes. Given his slumping career, many people on social media are simply writing him off as a fading malconent. That sort of reaction—how dare you say anything critical of the system that made you rich and famous!—also strikes me as risible.

There's no doubt that athletes and other entertainers take professional risks when they speak out on politically charged topics. As Damien Woody suggests, they have every right to do. Where would we be without figures ranging from Jackie Robinson to Frank Sinatra to Eartha Kitt to Curt Flood to Charlton Heston to Woody Harrelson using their celebrity to raise concerns? Independent of whether we agree with them on any given concern, celebrities are often powerful and eloquent spokespeople for causes that are otherwise ignored by the public. More than a few have paid for being outspoken in lost opportunities, but some also become incredibly effective change agents (certainly Muhammad Ali and Billie Jean King were).

If Kaepernick's outrage at disproportionate police violence against blacks and minorities is as strong as it seems, I hope he becomes a more effective and thoughtful advocate for policy change.

What do you think? Is Kaepernick taking a bold stand for equal treatment under the law? Or a spoiled brat? And is America a uniquely awful country whose flag and anthem should not be respected during ceremonial activities? Answer in the comments.

Reason TV recently talked with former cop and state trooper Neill Franklin, who heads up Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). Franklin says there is no question that law enforcement treats minorities and lower-class Americans differently than whites and the well-off. He says that police are being asked to do too many things for too many people and that we need a new model of policing that builds on local community ties. Take a look.

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  1. Is it horribly cynical of me to say that, coming from a man who is paid big money to play a game, this gesture shouts “Look at me! I’m important!”

    1. no, because that’s exactly what he’s doing.

      Don’t think for a second his agent didn’t say, “Go for it”.

      Also = Are all his other team-mates racists now?

      1. +1
        He didn’t seem to have similar qualms when he was starting.

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      2. Kaepernick is a mediocre QB that lost his starting position. Doing this is a smart strategic move because when the 49ers cut ties with him he can say it was because of racism and him speaking truth to power.

        1. yep.

          You can also be damn sure he’d never try this bullshit if he were @ Dallas. In SF, he’s a freaking hero.

          1. That’s a great point. SF is the perfect city for this trick — full of guilty, wealthy white leftists and few actual racial minorities.

            Even in Oakland or Detroit he’d be taking more of a risk.

            1. Millenial athletes are being told by their agents that their careers will involve extensive “Marketing Your Brand”

              its not just about “sports” = its about making yourself into a public-figure that attracts media attention. it becomes a self-rewarding viscious cycle where sponsors and franchises will increase your value because *(in theory) you draw eyeballs and free-media-coverage.

              I think its bullshit and i hate it. @#*&@*! Cam Newton was all about this shit. Others have done it. Its fucking lame.

              Its the new “Endzone Dance”. Remember when endzone dancing was “Controversial”? and they even penalized it? now, its passe.

              Same shit. these guys are finding new ways to put the “I” in TEAM and go “lookatme!!lookatme!!lookatme!”

              1. a self-rewarding virtuous cycle

              2. Didn’t work for Johnny Football.

                1. I’m not sure Manziel was a case of “intentionally trying to be sensational” so much as just actually being a self-destructive retard

                2. WHAT ABOUT RITUALIZED SEX?!?

                  So his fellow SF footballers don’t have too much trouble with Colin? Partly, perhaps, because if they disagreed with him, they’d be “racists”?

                  Thought experiment: What would his fellow FB players think of him if, instead, his reasons why, were as follows:

                  “Well, I am WAAAY disappointed in the way this nation makes everyone pay for publicly-funded stadiums for ritualized violence, where the ritualized violence causes brain damage and broken bones and so on, which the public then has to pay for healing, through mandated medical insurance, and so forth, while the far less dangerous ritualized sex, at the naked titty bars? NOOO public subsidies for THAT; instead, public money goes to SHUT ‘EM DOWN!!! No real freedoms here at all? So no, I’m NOT gonna stand up for that stupid anthem!”

                  1. It’s funny, if he had ripped on the referees after the game, he would have been fined $$$$$ by the NFL. Ripping on the entire country is OK though.

                    1. The referees work for the NFL, which is a private company. So if the NFL wanted to, they can make a rule that says any player ripping on the refs after a game must consume a rubber dildo. At that time the player being penalized would have 2 choices. One would be to no longer be a part of the NFL. Or, said player can eat a dick. You see? And yes, ripping the entire country is ok. In fact, it’s so OK that it’s protected by the First Amendment.

              3. The still penalize you if they think you’re drawing attention to yourself

                (Fuck the referees for penalizing Nick Collins in the Super Bowl.)

              4. download video mesum no, because that’s exactly what he’s doing.

                video bokep Don’t think for a second his agent didn’t say, “Go for it”.

            2. few actual racial minorities.

              SF is 42% white. Very low percentage black, though

              1. So “white” is an actual racial minority in SF

            3. few actual racial minorities.

              SF is 42% white. Very low percentage black, though

              1. But it’s minorities are mostly Asian, who are basically superwhite people.

      3. Why would his agent be ok with this?

        If the 49ers were to release him (50/50 at this point), teams on the fence about taking a chance on him are now more likely to pass on a possible head ache side show.

        1. Why would his agent be ok with this?

          because he’s afraid he’s going to get traded? and maybe he thinks this is some 3-dimensional chess move to make that less likely? Or might get a better deal elsewhere? It strikes me as “jawboning“. Go to the public and get attention and popular support.

          Keep in mind = by suggesting this, it doesn’t mean i also think its “smart” or “likely to work” or “not-counterproductive”.

          I am simply noting that this is a line of thinking which simply happens to be popular these days. Athletes are essentially ‘entertainers’, and agents of entertainers are very-aware that in the twitter-driven-media, shit like this has an instant effect of raising the profile of your ‘assets’ (read: “talent”)

          basically, i personally think its stupid and it wont work – but that people in today’s media world OFTEN do stupid things that don’t work, because these sorts of methods gain currency.

          but in the end, either your or my ‘interpretation’ here are both just speculation. What people do for vanity…. can never be fully understood. I’m pretty sure there’s stuff in Ecclesiastes about that.

          1. Why would his agent be ok with this?

            If the 49ers were to release him (50/50 at this point), teams on the fence about taking a chance on him are now more likely to pass on a possible head ache side show.

            Clown did poison his own well. Only way I could think this makes is:

            1. Kap too cool for backup, knows NFL is wiser about his ‘talent,’ so retirement.
            2. Kap’s contract is structured for big guaranteed $$$ at end of season for essentially being alive and still on roster.

            Kap-mouth is then big enough distraction so Chip ‘Philly Racist’ Kelly doesn’t mind if he’s gone from bench, locker-room, etc. – but local market/media/rumor mill will keep SF from actually firing Kap until after the season (or at least until the season is lost).

            This lets Kap quit now and still get paid a last $10 million or whatever later – and agent gets most out this particular mouth-breather for doing nothing right along with him. Just a win-win right there.

            1. when you seriously suck at your position, you’ll grab any straw to keep from sinking back into the ooze

    2. The guy is a fucking punk. A millionaire cry-baby showing ingratitude at the country that affords him the opportunity to make millions playing a game. If he doesn’t like it here then he can fucking leave and go to one of those shitholes run exclusively by blacks and see how great life is in those places.

      1. Oh for fuck’s sake. The amount of pearl clutching on this thread exceeded ally expectations. Libertarians ought to celebrate all rebellions against mindless worship of authoritarian symbols. I mean, fuck this guy’s cry for attention, but let’s not feel any outrage at his disrespect for a flag. God hates flags. And let’s leave symbols for the symbol-minded.

        1. Libertarians ought to celebrate all rebellions against mindless worship of authoritarian symbols

          bullshit. Libertarians should defend his right to say whatever the fuck he wants, but i don’t think all political gestures are made equal simply for attacking “the right targets”.

          he’s a pussy who used a very-convenient public forum to try and boost his media-exposure.

          1. “he’s a pussy who used a very-convenient public forum to try and boost his media-exposure.”

            You seem to disapprove.

        2. I fully support his right to not stand during the National Anthem and understand his reasoning for doing so.

          I also reserve the right to criticize him for his myopic, racially tribalist worldview for believing that blacks are the only people oppressed by authoritarian government institutions..

        3. You clearly don’t get it. Some symbols mean something. Though I understand many here can’t understand or appreciate that. All that libertarianism you get to bitch about is available because a lot of people bled and died for it. But hey, you’re above all that, right?

          1. Yeah, all that bleedin’ and dyin’ for freedom and liberty pretty much ended with the civil war. Since then we’ve been fighting wars of choice. I have no problem saluting the principles embodied in the Declaration and BOR but, since we no longer enjoy those liberties, patriotic rituals strike me as pretty silly.

            1. Good for you. Some of us value them.

  2. “What do you think? Is Kaepernick taking a bold stand for equal treatment under the law? Or a spoiled brat? And is America a uniquely awful country whose flag and anthem should not be respected during ceremonial activities? Answer in the comments”.

    I’ll go with D).

    I couldn’t give two shits and a fuck.

    1. And is America a uniquely awful country whose flag and anthem should not be respected during ceremonial activities?

      Excellent point, they’re all unworthy of that level of respect. Respect the values that make life worth living, not the symbols, because those symbols are all too easily re-purposed.

      1. oh, or what Aga said immediately below what I responded to. Refresh? Hell, I ain’t even gonna look at the adjacent comments already loaded!

    2. where does this “uniquely awful” shit come from? This is about the only country where we’ll spend a week navel gazing over what this guy did, exploring it from every conceivable angle with many justifying it and others accepting that free speech really does include the speech you don’t like.

      1. You’ve clearly never read British media.

  3. Of course he’s right to remain seated during the National Anthem – though his reason for doing so is idiotically wrong.

    This is America – we shouldn’t have a National *anything*, let alone an anthem and certainly not one where the expectation is everyone stand and rend honors.

    1. There is much in what you say; I run into this every time somebody sits during the Anthem or sues over the Pledge. Their actions are perfectly sound, but their reasons are idiotic. Here is this imbecile, getting paid a big league quarterback’s salary, feeling oppressed because the likes of Al “If I were white I would totally be a Grand Dragon, I’m such a racist shit” Sharpton says so.

      Poor blacks ARE being oppressed by the police. Racism’s completely to blame. And that racism sits fat and sassy in the Liberal/Democrat/Progressive Leviathan State … which encourages protest groups like BLM because it distracts the proles.

      1. The criminal justice system treats poor blacks badly because they are poor , not because they are black.

        In our system a person is innocent until he/she is proven broke.

    2. There’s no contradiction between freedom and community spirit. Humans naturally rally around their community in shared displays, and in our case we are lucky enough that our community is based on the ideals of freedom.

      Your views would make freedom into a sterile and isolated thing.

      1. The United States is not my nor anyone else’s *community*. Its too large and too diverse to be that. To be part of a ‘community’ of that size is to be a tiny cog in a huge machine – which is far more sterile and isolating than anything in my views.

    3. I may agree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death my right not to say it.

      I didn’t know the words “compelled speech” at the time, but in the eighth grade the teacher asked me why I wasn’t saying the Pledge like everybody else (this was back in olden times, the Vietnam War had just ended but was still a big issue, school still started with the Pledge) and I couldn’t really articulate very well why it just felt wrong to me that we had to parrot this prayer whether or not we believed in it – and I was old enough to understand what exactly the prayer meant and I didn’t believe in it. I’ll pledge alliegance to the American ideals the flag (supposedly) stands for, but what you’re taught in school America preaches and what you can plainly see on the TV news America practices are two different things and pledging alliegance to the mere symbol of the very ideals that you’re simultaneously shitting all over is just too much.

      1. It doesn’t sound like you personally were shitting on the ideals. Sounds like you were in agreement with them. So why not say the pledge?

        1. Because the very existence of the pledge negates the ideals its purports to uphold.

          1. What the fuck? Fuck off, slaver.

            1. Fuck off, slaver.

              ???? How is this responsive to the post you quoted? How am I a slaver just because I won’t pledge my allegiance to a nation?

      2. I had the same issue back in the eighth grade of not knowing the words “compelled speech”, although in my case it was over the space shuttle Challenger explosion and being cajoled into signing a “condolence” banner that ignored the six non-teachers who died.

    4. No. there is nothing wrong with a national anthem. I know many of you here are confused at the concept of patriotism versus statism, but try and look past it. Those of us who are patriotic are not honoring the State. We honor the concept of America, and the constitution, and you should too. The rights you still have are the result of those things, and paying some fucking respect once in a while won’t dilute your libertarianism.

      1. I pay respect by standing up for principles and pointing out when the State is violating those principles. I don’t like to do it as part of mass spectacles everybody else is using to say, “Look how patriotic I am!”

        1. Which is often seen as an affront to those of us who have bled for those principles.

          1. Which is often seen as an affront to those of us who have bled for those principles.

            It seems rather contrary to those principles to get all up in arms because people won’t put their hand over their heart and contemplatively repeat a refrain to a song while getting teary eyed thinking about bald eagles and Mt. Rushmore.

            1. While the punk has every right to be a punk, I have every right to vocally condemn his shitty choice.

              Bottom line: He can do it, but it makes him a disrespectful shitbag. The rest of us have the same right to call him on it.

      2. If you honored the concept of America then the National Anthem would be one among many different songs you would sing – and not even among the best of them.

        This is just an exercise to turn a folk into a Volk.

  4. It is absolutely his right to refuse to stand. That said, his argument is absurd. Particularly in light of the Che shirt he was wearing while explaining his refusal. Kaepernick should try living a month or two as a non-celebrity black man in his little socialist paradise and come back and tell us about how blacks are oppressed in the United States. And what exactly is Kaepernick doing to combat police excesses beyond his celebrity? He makes $20 million a year. You have LEAP featured in this article. They seem to be doing some pretty good work. Is he donating any of his $20 million to them?

    1. He should live a month or two as a non-celebrity *in Zimbabwe* or Nigeria, or Sierra Leone – and then come back and tell us how blacks are oppressed in the US.

    2. It doesn’t even have to be some of his #20 million – he’s a big name celebrity (or at least he used to be) and can use that big name to help the organization draw in other funding and media attention. If he’s not doing anything except sitting and talking about why he’s sitting, it’s an empty gesture. If he’s doing something to help fight the problem, he should be using the opportunity to talk about why he’s sitting to draw attention to the things he’s doing to fight the problem.

    3. Ok. I was ready to defend him until you told me he was wearing a Che shirt.

      Fuck him.

  5. And is America a uniquely awful country whose flag and anthem should not be respected during ceremonial activities?

    No, and yes. America is not a uniquely awful country and its flag and anthem *should not* be respected during ceremonial activities – the very fact that its part of these proceedings makes me weep for this country – and everyone should do the same for *all* country songs and banners.

    1. There is more patriotism in some podunk hayhoo bar closing out the night with the regulars boozily singing Lee Greenwood than ever there was in a rote recitation with scandal and punishment the wages of a refusal to submit.

    2. 15 years on, and MLB still plays the repulsive “God Bless America” during the seventh-inning stretch.

      1. Not everywhere. At Wrigley the Cubs fans all sing “Take me out to the ball game”, a tradition that started years ago with a drunk TV guy leading the audience from the press box. Now they have ‘celebrities’ leading it each game (although some can be pretty minor celebs).

        1. and some who don’t know the words. Jeff Gordon comes to mind.

          1. I was there for Ozzy’s infamous rendition.

            1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPYI_Y3pWw I’d forgotten how good that was. And how long ago

              1. Kids, don’t do drugs in the 7th inning.

        2. They’ve basically dropped the celebrities this year.

        3. I actually looked it up to see if it was still being played, and Wikipedia and other sources all seemed to imply it was.

          1. It was on saturday when I was at the Rangers game. It has always been God bless America followed by Take me out to the ballgame.

            BTW, I find it rather confusing that people take off their hats and put their hands on their hearts for God bless America. It’s not the national anthem!

        4. That’s not unique to the Cubs. Literally every team does that.

      2. They sing “Take me out to the ballgame” during the stretch at the Trop too. Usually some little kid leading the singing from the PA booth.

    3. Certainly not ‘respected’ during commercial pointlessness such as this. If this symbol, is a symbol of the people, the freedoms, the Constitution, what have you, the NFL is every bit as disrespectful. Why ask you? Because, other than the fine art of making mad loot while a-fleecin’ rubes = pursuit of happiness, the NFL has fuck-all to do with the flag, or the national anthem.

      And, shit, give me a glass of whiskey at a low-down strip joint near a railroad crossing, that’s freedom at it’s finest expression in these troubled times.

  6. Minorities are probably less oppressed in the U.S. than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE FUCKING WORLD.

    1. To paraphrase Evan Sayet, only a prog could look at the most prosperous nation in history and see nothing but poverty; look at the most educated nation and see nothing but ignorance; and look at the most tolerant nation and see nothing but bigotry.

      1. That’s because a prog looks at this country and sees a society in which a private citizen can look the prog in the eye and tell it to go fuck itself.

      2. That’s because progs secretly desire to make everyone live in poverty, ignorance and racial hatred. As that is all they ever accomplish.

    2. As a brown skinned immigrant, I can testify to this. I feel safer and more respected in the USA than in my home country.

  7. People who say that sports is not the place to talk about serious issues are trying to live in a fantasy world.

    We don’t talk about serious issues, we are lectured and scolded about them by wannabee totalitarian busybodies whose entire existence seems devoted to rubbing our noses in their grievances.

    1. Hell I mind that less than being lectured by showbiz millionaires who want to do the symbolic instead of putting their money where their mouth is.

      I assume, BTW, that if Mr. NFL Quarterback was donating his salary to inner city charities and spending his off time tutoring poor minority kids, somebody would have mentioned it.

      And, while I’m at it, will somebody please shove a rusty harpoon up Jenny McCarthy’s ass and shut her up about vaccines?

      1. Not Necessarily. Aaron Rodgers spends time with pediatric cancer patients. Yet coming back from a game in the 2010 playoffs, he failed to notice a woman with the pink breast cancer shit in the airport. Mike Florio moralized, and when Packer fans pointed out Rodgers’ work with pediatric cancer patients, Florio doubled down.

        Reason #237489135824057 why I hate sports writers/announcers. (Fuck you, Bob Costas.)

        1. failed to notice a woman with the pink breast cancer shit

          So he was staying out of the womens’ restroom?

          1. He was walking through the airport terminal (it’s Austin Straubel in Green Bay, not a very big airport), and the fan was basically waiting the way fans would when a team returns.

      2. I think she did shut up. Didn’t she basically apologize after deciding her kid didn’t actually have autism?

        Citation needed.

    2. We don’t talk about serious issues

      One of the worst cliches today is “We need to have a [national] conversation”. 350 million people can’t have a conversation, so what this really means is “We need to watch a small group of people who aren’t actually interested in having a genuine conversation talk past each other while reinforcing one of two broadly held points of view on a subject”.

      1. A conversation in America today means sit down shut up and listen to what leftist say and just move head in the up and own motion to show agreement. otherwise your just a racist pig.

    1. GOD, I hope you are being sarcastic.

    2. I celebrate YOUR bravery in applauding his bravery

      1. While I agree with Crusty that this football dude, whoever the fuck he is, is displaying a certain amount of misguided bravery, I disagree that Crusty is being brave by pointing this out. There is no courage inside a safe space. Wow, I just said something deep (I think).

        1. Your sarcasm-meter needs recalibrating.

          1. So does yours.

    3. Crusty is the sound of one hand clapping.

      1. I didn’t think we were doing the euphemism thing anymore.

    4. I would personally enjoy beating some respect into his entitled punk ass. The little bitch is an ingrate. Fuck him.

      1. I think you will understand if I say that I would be betting against you in such a contest of physical prowess.

        1. You haven’t met me. If you did, it is likely you would revise that bet.

          1. If my Packers couldn’t catch him, well….

            1. Catch him? Hell no. Fight him? Yes. I would give myself a coronary trying to catch him though.

  8. What do symbols like the Star Spangled Banner or the Stars and Stripes represent? The governments of the United States? The American people and the common ideas that shape the country? It doesn’t matter, because all Kaepernick does with this empty gesture is sour the minds of those who don’t already agree with him.

      1. I have to admit, of all the times David Cross tried to take a dump on the flag, this is my favorite one.

        1. That remains my favorite David Cross skit. Back when he used to be funny. Do not watch his latest Netflix special. You will have more fun trying to cut off one of your ears. It’s just an hour of bitching about Republicans while his pussy bleeds.

          1. Thank you for confirming the assumption I formed on reading the title and seeing his beard in the thumbnail.

      2. “Each star represents a playmate that I’ve slept with.”

  9. Refuses to nonor flag of a countery he says “oppresses black people and people of color.”

    Wow, y’all. That doesn’t even pass a spell checker.

    1. They misspelled “cuntery”.

      1. Oh, I didn’t realize we were talking about Hillary.

    2. I know right? Can’t even spell ‘honour’ and ‘colour’ properly.

    3. ‘nonor’, being an inversion of ‘honor’, would make the phrase a double negative.

      So it’s got that going for it too.

  10. Random thoughts: I went to the Salvador Dali museum here yesterday. It was a hoot. I learned he hosted a crazy party/fundraiser to get his friends out of Europe in the early days of WW2, but the cost was so much that all the money they raised went to paying for it.

    I also learned one of his paintings is called “The Laser Unicorn Disintegrates the Horns of Cosmic Rhinoceroses”, a series of words I would normally expect from Agile Cyborg. The paintings discreetly hidden near the back were a combination of SugarFree and Harry Crumb.

    1. So “The Reverse Producers”?

    2. Are you in Florida right now? That’s the only Dali museum I know. I visited it a few years ago. One thing that struck me was how good his painting was, even as a teenager. I remember seeing one he did at 14 and thinking: “Damn. An adult art school graduate would have been proud of that one.”

        1. Ah, it just opened! No wonder it’s new to me.

      1. And his pre-Surrealism work was pretty amazing, too. I remember seeing in a Madrid museum a painting he did of his sister in front of a window that was absolutely breathtaking, and would have made Rembrandt applaud.

      2. I tend to like the Dadaists and Surrealists a lot for just this reason. If you look at either Dali or Duchamp, you can tell that they went to bizarre avant garde material after>/b> mastering the basic craft. Unfortunately, too many of the artists that proceeded them thought they could get by largely parroting the points that guys like Dali or Duchamp made as sophisticated artists.

        1. Unfortunately, too many of the artists that proceeded them thought they could get by largely parroting the points of their predecessors, just like every fad in medium and technique since the inception of art snobbery.

    3. Harry Crumb? John Candy?

      Might you mean Robert Crumb?
      Fritz the Cat, Mr. Natural, etc.?

      Kevin R

    4. We have a rad Dali museum here in St Pete, got a print of “The Ship” last time I was there. My favorite piece of Dali’s: Lobster Telephone.

  11. Can we find a way of moving the start of these discussions a little further down the line?

    Does the party have a legal right to do or not do a voluntary action? Yes
    Do other parties have the legal right to say something about it? Yes

    It is obvious the point is about something other than bare rights, so why bother asking it?

    1. I guess that is a “no”. Ok, carry on…

    2. How do you upvote comments? Thumbs up. Four Stars. The Greg Popovich Scowl of Approval.

  12. Hilarious: SJW berates Lyft driver for having hula girl doll on dashboard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdmBqJLYcU

    1. @ 1:00 “you didn’t think about the pillaging of, like, continent of Hawaii?”

      Wonderful, thanks Derp.

      1. My favorite comment on the video: “whenever I listen to an SJW, I wonder why we do not have more insane asylums.”

    2. Everyone here should watch this. This is the animating spirit of contemporary leftism in action.

      1. I have one question – have her parents disowned her yet? Seriously, if I had kids and I found out they’d treated the help the way she treated the Lyft driver, the only way they wouldn’t be off to military school or cut off would entail grueling amounts of manual labor.

        1. something something meanie something something CPS something

    3. That man’s restraint (his, dare I say, level of chill) is remarkable.

    4. I also love how that woman’s diction is everyone’s parody of the dumb millennial girl. The up-talking, the quasi-valley-girl affectation, the filler words. All of which would be grating but essentially fine were it not for the ‘substance’ of her mouth-shitting.

    5. I’ve received word that the driver is being fired. If true, @Lyft is doing the right thing.

      Be warned if you click: her Twitter is a raging sea of idiocy and self-righteousness.

      1. It’s extremely offensive for white men (incl. asians) to have things from other cultures.

        *Rolls eyes*

      2. That’s a troll/hack…

    6. Yeah, i’m saving that as a case-study in everything wrong with the super-entitled progressive SJW bullshit.

      The *voice*. Christ it hurts to hear that person.

  13. It’s hard to persuade patriotic Americans to support you when you’re being shitty towards patriotic things.

    Also, there’s something to be said about not politicizing everything. The NFL takes a publicly strong stance against breast cancer, but that isn’t really a controversial issue. People don’t watch football to see politics.

    I bet Kaepernick’s sponsors aren’t very happy about this either. Pro-apple pie, pro-Moms and kids. Anti-breast cancer and anti-crippling childhood diseases. Maintaining that image, that’s how you maintain sponsorships. That’s why people bother listening to you. That’s why nobody cares about what Michael “Puppy Killer” Vick thinks about anything.

    Kaepernick is just hurting his own brand–and that makes it harder to speak out about things like racial discrimination and make patriotic Americans care.

    Here’s what I think is the single most effective anti-Vietnam War, pro-black, pro- civil rights act of protest in American history:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKvnQYFhGCc

    It’s so effective because in addition to being all those things, it’s also patriotic as hell.

    All the shit people throw at you because of what you say makes them look like a bunch of anti-American haters when you say it under the flag.

    So if you’ve got something controversial to say, say it under the flag with your hand on your heart, you fucking idiot.

    1. I bet Kaepernick’s sponsors aren’t very happy about this either.

      He doesn’t have any anymore. He’s fighting for a third-string QB slot, possibly on the practice squad.

      This move probably benefits him by endearing him to the prog cause, so he’ll be something more than another Josh Freeman.

    2. and he’s doing it in a league that can’t cloak itself in military garb and the flag fast enough or often enough.

      1. Because it sells well.

        All the people complaining about “compelling” people to stand for the anthem are completely barking up the wrong tree. The anthem is part of the package that sells the NFL, not the other way around. One could argue that the NFL is cheapening the anthem.

        1. It doesn’t hurt baseball either.

          I go to a lot of Padres games with the mom unit, and they seem to bring recruits from Camp Pendleton out every Sunday.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiTW17ugBmQ

          The crowd loves it!

          I opposed the Iraq War and occupation, but I’ve never hesitated to stand up and cheer for those who volunteer. Just because I might disagree with you, doesn’t mean I’m an ingrate.

          I had an uncle who was drafted to Vietnam as a medic. He was a conscientious objector. Died as a result of his service–got that weird kind of leukemia you only get when you’ve been exposed to Agent Orange.

          One of his friends was at my aunt’s funeral two weeks ago. He’d been drafted, too, but he was a “volunteer” for Operation White Coat.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Whitecoat

          They were all conscientious objectors, too.

          You don’t have to agree with the government to stand up for the flag. For goodness’ sake, show some appreciation.

          What about all the black veterans out there? If they stop saluting the flag, maybe you’ve got a case. Until then, show some respect to them.

          Is he dissing them for volunteering?

          1. I’d rather honor the people who had 18 months stolen out of their lives via the peacetime draft.

          2. I was one of those poor recruits back in 86!

            Towards the end of boot camp they loaded us up and we got to go the the Murph to watch a game. It sucked because you marched into the stadium and were told to sit down and shut up. No one could get any concessions or even leave for the head.

            Marching in and out, a lot of surrounding fans did clap and holler. We had just been bombing Libya so there a lot of shouts to kill Quadaffi.

        2. Doesn’t pretty much every pro sporting event in the US begin with the national anthem?

          1. Yes, and almost always with a military unit presenting the colors, often abetted by a flyover. Yesterday, the NFL’s response was there is no rule requiring standing, about the weakest, most gutless answer I can imagine. A league that drapes itself in the flag and has rules for how socks must be worn is now going to rest on procedure. Yes, he has the free speech right to not stand, and everyone else has the same right to respond how they see fit.

            1. As a Saint Louis Rams fan, I can guarantee you the NFL could not give less of a fuck about procedure….unless it’s convenient.

      2. I hate the military flyovers, as well as the horrid idea that having a bigger flag is somehow more majestic.

        No; it’s the vexillary equivalent of a dick-waving contest.

        1. I love military flyovers.

          You make too much of it

    3. I’d like to see the response if the NFL said they were going to spend October raising awareness of pancreatic cancer (in honor of former NFLPA head Gene Upshaw), leukemia and bone marrow transplants (in honor of Chuck Pagano), or dementia (pick a former player). The pink ribbon bullies would go apeshit.

      1. Major League Baseball teams wear pink gear on Mother’s Day to support breast cancer patients, and blue gear on Father’s Day to do the same for those with prostate cancer. They auction off the game-worn or used items and the leagues donate money to relevant organizations: The Komen and the Prostate Cancer Foundations. There’s also the “all the versions” Stand Up To Cancer appeal during the World Series.

        1. I did see a video that Susan G. Komen might not be all it’s cracked up to be.

    4. Krapeldick has no sponsors. He’s a mediocre, 2nd string QB of a losing team.

      He is no Joe Montana. He knows it. And he knows he is on his way out

    5. “The NFL takes a publicly strong stance against breast cancer, but that isn’t really a controversial issue.”
      Personally, as a long time supporter of breast cancer, I find that offensive.

      In all seriousness, when is the WNBA gong to start fundraising to stop prostate cancer?

  14. Whether or not he’s right, he has the right. Which kinda creates a conundrum – should you show respect to a country that doesn’t force you to show respect for that country? Does free speech include the right to denounce the right to free speech?

    Is an entertainer more or less likely to have anything worth saying than what they’re being paid to say? I would think that somebody who spends all his time developing his talent for throwing a ball has less time than the average person for developing any original or meaningful thoughts on any subject other than throwing a ball. The same applies for singing or acting or playing the guitar or whatever – it’s hard enough getting really good at one thing, what are the odds you’re also really good at political philosophy or hanging drywall or designing patio furniture?

    But about all I care about this issue is that I was watching the news and right after the story of Trump tweeting about Dwayne Wade’s cousin getting shot – where the news-reader pointedly mentioned that Trump doesn’t even know how to correctly spell the guy’s name – they reported about this scandal involving Colin Kaepernick – and the news-reader mispronounced Kaepernick. I thought it was amusing, criticize a guy for his ignorance and segue right into demonstrating your own.

    1. also, just throwin this out there, but I feel like spelling an unfamiliar name is probably more difficult that just being able to pronounce it. makes the ignorance twice as delectable.

    2. Trump transposed the y and the a in Wade’s name, period. But it’s Trump so let’s debate that for a week. As to this thing, I don’t get the problem with the occasional show of respect for a society that, on the whole, is not a bad place to live.

      This may be the only place where no one questions whether Kaepernick has the right to do what he did, and everyone has the similar right to respond to the action. I think it was misplaced social signaling, but I’m not a hundred million dollar qb so no one will care.

    3. A gentleman is someone who uses a butter knife even when dining alone.

      By the same token, a true patriot is somebody who stands for the rule of law and princples, not principals even when nobody is watching, and not just shrouding oneself in the flag for the purposes of grandstanding.

      1. Kaepernick is doing just that – shrouding himself for sake of grandstanding – just from the opposite side. He’s taking a stand of convenience when his future is in doubt, after his finances are set, and when he can count on a compliant media to share his social signaling.

        1. Dwyane Tyrone Wade was hung with a non-standard spelling of his first name. (It looks like it should be pronounced Dwa-yane.) Those who don’t memorize sports trivia are likely to type Dwayne or Duane.

          Duane is both a given name for a male, and a family name. It seems to have a convergent etymology from several sources. The name comes from St. Dubh?n, a Welsh monk who established an abbey in Hook Head, Ireland, during the 5th century. As a surname it is O’Dubhain, or Dubhan. Dubhain was a popular given name in 16th century southern Ireland; its anglicized form is Duane. In Gaelic “dubh” means “little dark one”.

          Duane page on Wikipedia

          You could also spell it “Dwane,” but that y after the w just looks like a dyslexic wrote it.

          The “bh’ dipthong in Gaelic is pronounced as a “v.” Dubh sounds like the b?arla “dove.”

          Think of the poem and song R?is?n Dubh – Dark Rosaleen.

        2. Bingo!

          He’ll be cut, but not until he milks the racism card for a few more $ millions

    4. Dwayne Wade

      It’s spelled Dwyane. It’s kind of like Isiah Thomas that way… you’re assuming his mother could spell.

    5. -Sure, if you want.

      -Yes

      -More, unless they’re a robot.

  15. Just think how much money you’d be making if you weren’t being so horribly oppressed, Colin.

    You should definitely get a hammer and sickle tattoo on your face, to denote your wage slavery.

    1. What does it matter how much money he makes?

      So now rich people should be ridiculed for standing up for a cause they believe in?

  16. Caption Contest: “Agile Cyborg. . .”

    Agile Cyborg tries karate.

  17. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder

    I blame capitalism.

    1. To be fair, this quote summarizes a lot of articles and comments.

      1. Reason articles and comments, that is.

  18. The problem here is that libertarians should support his right to sit if he wants.

    But the reason he’s sitting is because he wants socialist nanny assholes to run our lives.

    Oh and the US is an opressive society?! He’s free to go live in Africa or hell maybe he could go to one of those “tolerant” Muslim countries….

    1. Nobody is saying he doesn’t have the right to sit. Is there somebody writing that security should have shocked him with a cattle prod or something?

  19. That sort of reaction?how dare you say anything critical of the system that made you rich and famous!?also strikes me as risible

    Pretending you’re “speaking truth to power” by striking a pose (on your ass) is risible.

    Maybe if Kapernick pulled a Thiel and started funding lawsuits against cops and their unions I might think he was actually moving the ball forward.

    1. Maybe if Kapernick pulled a Thiel and started funding lawsuits against cops and their unions I might think he was actually moving the ball forward.

      Exactly. If he put his money were his mouth was, i’d have no problem with (subsequent) grandstanding. Instead he seems to want the ‘attention first’ .

      1. He’s too busy going vegan and converting to Islam. He strikes me as a major league moron.

        1. I’m imagining his “San Francisco Checklist”

          – Go Vegan
          – Hate America
          – Race-Troll
          – Convert to Islam
          – Trans? (optional)
          – Lie down @ 50yrd line to protest climate change
          – Be seen shopping in thrift stores
          – Get Tesla
          – Cat Videos

          1. Does anyone really ‘get’ Tesla?

  20. Shouldn’t this guy be spending more of his time and focus on trying to learn how to throw the ball more accurately?

    He looks like another one of those one hit wonder failed quarterbacks who looks good by running around for a year before he gets exposed. And it seems like there’s been a dozen of those guys recently.

  21. Obscure history: Hungarian-Finnish friendship

    19th century linguists established that Hungarian and Finnish are related languages. This led to a campaign of cooperation between the two countries. During Finland’s war with Russia, Hungary sent money, weapons, supplies, and soldiers. However, since they were technically neutral at that time, they had to said their men the long way around Europe. To avoid angering the Germans, they traveled without weapons and the official story was that they were just tourists going to ski camp.

    link

    1. I found Hungarian disconcerting as a language when I was there. In most of Europe, English-speakers can sort of puzzle out some of the meanings of signs and labels and other common words. Not in Hungarian!

      1. It’s neither Romance nor Germanic, nor even Slavic, that’s why. There’s really no other country nearby in the same language group as the Hungarians.

        Also, regarding the Finnish-Hungarian friendship was partly motivated by the fact that the Finnish languages is the closest known linguistic ‘relative’ (albeit a distant relative) to Hungarian, belonging to the ‘Uralic’ languages. For that reason, some Hungarians and Finns view each other as sort of cultural distant cousins.

  22. I’m totally fine with him engaging in that behaviour on general principle…but I’m also willing to criticize him for being a loudmouth narcissist for his empty virtue signalling and an ignorant fool for his personal politics.

  23. The dude is free to remain seated during the national anthem or the pledge of allegiance. And everyone else is free to criticize him for it.

    1. He should do the original Bellamy salute during the pledge.

  24. It’s not whether he’s right or wrong, but whether he has the right to sit, which he does. Just like the rest of us have the right to call his behavior social signaling of the most stupid variety. And never mind the fact that this is going on in a league that can’t drape itself in the flag and veterans often enough, from the stadium flyovers to ever-present color guards during the anthem to those reunion ceremonies when a family was surprised by a returning servicemen.

  25. You know who else was the child of a man of African descent who disappeared from the picture and a young white woman who couldn’t raise her child herself, and got passed on to be raised by a white couple, only to berate white Americans as being racist once he became famous?

    1. Man, this is a really tough one. I could use a couple more hints.

    2. Halle Berry?

      Angelina Bob Thornton?

    3. Hitler?

    4. King Tut?

  26. I say he’s right for the wrong reasons. It’s morally corrosive of a free society to compel worship of the military and the flag and all the ethos that are used to justify the expansion of the power of the state and the subversion of individual rights and freedoms.

    1. Good thing we don’t do that in the United States.

      Where do you see people being “compelled” to worship anything?

      1. I see it in the overwhelming social pressure that the jingoists impose on noncomformists whenever someone dares question the narrative about the troops being selfless, noble warriors for peace and freedom. Kaepernick could have done this for a noble reason like opposing the US drone bombing campaign and the backlash would have been the same.

        And then there’s the fact that millions of schoolchildren every day are expected to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. How’s that appropriate for a free society?

        1. Social pressure is an exercise of freedom of association, not coercion.

          That I’m having to explain this on a supposedly libertarian site is pathetic.

          1. you asked about compelling not coercion.

          2. Compulsion is different than coercion, i.e. compelling children to praise the state through the Pledge of Allegiance. Lacks the force of coercion but is still detrimental. A libertarian should not be willing to ignore pathetic tribalistic impulsive nor fail to criticize it simply because it’s voluntary.

            1. There is not much difference in the meaning of the words, but looking up in the dictionary I see that there is an alternate definition that would seem to include social pressure.

              But let’s be clear that there is nothing unlibertarian about “compelling” in that sense. Libertarianism is about when force is just and when it is not. It has no stance on the use of mere social pressure.

              1. Libertarianism is inherently an individualist philosophy. Social conformity to compel a tribalistic interpretation of reality may not violate the NAP but it stands counter to libertarian epistemology. It appeals to knowledge through tribal collusion (i.e. collectivism) rather than individual reason. Just because a libertarian will tolerate the existence of it, does not mean there isn’t something extremely unlibertarian about that mindset. This is like declaring that libertarians are in favour of drug addiction because they don’t wish to prosecute victimless crimes.

                1. Libertarianism is inherently an individualist philosophy.

                  No, it is not. It is an anti-coercion philosophy.

                  This is like declaring that libertarians are in favour of drug addiction because they don’t wish to prosecute victimless crimes.

                  Actually no, that’s quite the opposite of what I’m doing. I’m denying the existence of a libertarian position, not making one up.

        2. It even happens here.

        3. I see it in the overwhelming social pressure that the jingoists impose on noncomformists whenever someone dares question the narrative…

          I’ve driven “drunk” 4 times in the last 7 days. Non-conformist or criminal?

          Of course, I’m a raging alcoholic with a pretty high tolerance who needs at least two stiff drinks so I don’t get the “shakes” when coming off the clutch at a stoplight.

          Hell, I got pulled over on the night of the Superbowl this year. Did a serious “rolling stop sign” because I only saw the headlights of one car that was about 500 yds away- it was a cop, of course.

          He pulled me over and made me do the “drunk dance” (Heel-toe walk, stand on one leg, follow the finger with your eyes, etc). I passed them all so well that he didn’t even write me a ticket for the stop sign!

          I probably would have blown a .06-.08… while .08 is the “legal” limit, they can charge you for less.

        4. we could go the alternate route where we teach children to not respect anything and make no moral judgements. some schools are doing just that and all we get are a bunch of SJW’s. I have no problem with teaching children certain ways of life until they are mature enough to make some political decisions on their own. Otherwise anarchy

  27. Possibly relevant:

    The combined income of black people in the US is about $900 billion. If you counted that like the GDP of a country, it would put them between Indonesia and the Netherlands. On a per capita basis, that puts them around Chile and Argentina.

    Chris Rock said that for black people, the US is like the rich uncle that paid for your college but molested you when you were 5.

    1. And who do they have to blame for that?

      1. White people, duh.

  28. If Kaepernick had been ignoring the Anthem on the sidelines; warming up by playing catch with one of the assistant coaches, or sitting on a table having his tape job touched up, nobody would have said “Boo”. He had to go to the interview room and say, “Look at me, look at me!”

    Maybe he’s angling for a coaching job in the UC system.

  29. “…ignoring the Anthem as most players do….”

  30. strikes me as either an empty gesture or a forced ritual
    strikes me as a particularly weak display
    strikes me as easy to dismiss
    strikes me as risible

    plus

    culurals perks
    fading malconent

  31. Kaep went to the post game presser wearing a Fidel Castro T shirt. You can’t make this shit up. BLM is aligned with the RevCom cultists and a host of other hard left orgs. Because in communist regimes minorities and those who dissent are always treated with the upmost respect.

    1. We are living in the crazy times.

      Hey, did you get my email about the meetup?

      1. Yes! Sorry for the delayed response. Been a crazy last week for me. I am out for Labor Day weekend, heading up to visit a friend in the mountains, but I should be good for any other time. The location looks cool.

  32. I think it’s good – it forces the issue. The War on Blacks is almost entirely self imposed – but BLM is no longer willing to lay itself down upon the altar of their parents’ career ambitions. If he succeeds in reducing crime and violence then his community loses a large source of its sustenance. Careful what you wish for. Also free speech is under attack (criminalization of BDS), so that’s nothing to be proud of.

  33. Is Kaepernick taking a bold stand for equal treatment under the law?

    He thinks he is. I respect that. I think he’s a bit misguided on the “why” he’s protesting part, but that’s his call.

    And is America a uniquely awful country whose flag and anthem should not be respected during ceremonial activities?

    Respect is earned. It’s not obligatory. If you believe your nation isn’t earning it, for whatever reason, feel free to sit.

    1. Nobody is saying he should be forced to stand. Stop strawmanning.

      1. “feel free” = “it’s okay”

        feel free
        Be uninhibited about doing or saying something. For example, Feel free to borrow the car whenever you need it, or You want to state the case? Feel free. For a synonym, see be my guest.

        Stop nitpicking.

    2. feel free to sit

      Keep an eye out for the reluctant drones!

    3. If “bold” = “self-serving” sure. And the ‘misguided’ part nullifies any ‘boldness.’ If an anti-Semite takes a shit on Hitler’s grave (if he had one) because he believes the myth about him being a quarter Jewish, I don’t think we’d say ‘well, it was courageous of him to make that act of protest, even if for the wrong reason.’

  34. I would fire him for being a dumbass. There are plenty of people who would love to get a shot in the NFL and can keep politics out of it. If they want to do in their private time, fine. Work time you shut your mouth and do whats best for your employer.

    1. He was probably going to be cut anyway based on poor performance.

    2. I don’t agree. I think the guy is an idiot, but he should have just as much right to express his stupid opinions as Phil Robertson has to say he doesn’t agree with homosexuality or Dr. Drew Pinsky has to say that Hillary looks like a sick, feeble old hag.

      We shouldn’t be like the lowlife, scum-sucking gutter vermin on the Obama left where if you say something they don’t like, they attempt to destroy your life and your reputation for good. It’s fundamentally un-American, and we should be bigger than that.

      1. I don’t have the right for my politics to bring negative attention to the company I work for .

        Do you ?

        If this 2nd or 3rd team QB wants to suddenly get political ( he didn’t ever breathe one word about this when he was the boy wonder) let him do it on his own time and not on a stage who’s purpose is to boost the company’s reputation.

      2. He has a right to be fired for making his team look bad.

  35. Last line in an article about Chicago police confronting hoodlums:

    “A stray cat wandered into the crime scene and began to eat the cupcake.”

    A perfect opening line to a Warty Hugeman crime thriller.

    1. Haha, I want to see that article so I can remember email the Pullitzer Prize committee and ask them to give it to the author.

  36. BLM is aligned with the RevCom cultists

    I had to google revcom; the world needs more wannabe Mao personality cultists and their addlebrained devotees.

    In fact, I should quit wasting my time here and start churning out my Doomsday Cult newsletter. “Send your money now, before it’s TOO LATE!”

    1. I have personally seen three BLM protests here in SF and they all featured plenty of RevCom shirts and posters right up front. I have also seen many in the pics from BLM protests around the country. Look for their url on the bottom of signs and the orange “BA Speaks – Revolution Nothing Less!” T shirts.

      1. I wish they’d hurry up and do it already; waiting for justification to shoot them is getting annoying.


  37. “A stray cat wandered into the crime scene and began to eat the cupcake.”

    Nice euphemism.

    1. Cats are obligate carnivores. They don’t eat cupcakes .

      1. Mine will eat chips with homemade hummus.

        I have to dip them for him though, the spoilt little bastard.

        1. Mine eats watermelon. And fried chicken.

          1. I had one that loved to eat grapefruit. And rubber bands, which caused some problems eventually.

  38. How many people there were just wishing (and foaming out the mouth) that someone force that guy to stand during the national anthem, while being scared shit to go down there and do it themselves?

    If big bad gov’t is not there with their army of force and violence, statists cant state, or rob me and you, but scream and shit their pants if someone says boo!

    1. Why would they need to do that?

      They will just burn Krappy’s jersey to the strains of the national anthem. And film it for You Tube.

    2. What would have been great would be Rick Monday running across the field and yanking Kaepernick up to stand at attention.

  39. No one is more oppressed then black professional athletes in the U.S.

    1. Or the women they beat up & murder.

      Poor OJ

  40. That Robert Lipsyte thread is hilarious. John (et al.) sure is a master at bitching at strawmen built from his culture war prejudices, even when the video is right there to negate every one of his arguments and complaints.

  41. I don’t care whether he sits or stands for whatever reason he wants to give – the NFL doesn’t require it so it’s up to him. I stand because it honors the people as a whole and those that came before us – others are free to have their own sentiments. However, NFL is entertainment/sport and also a business and is therefore at the mercy of its viewers. If ratings/ticket sales go down and they determine that enough viewers are doing so because they are protesting his protest then the NFL has the right to fire him and that perfectly fine too.

    1. The NFLPA would have to start a grievance, if the union contract does not require a certain minimum respectful behavior during the anthem. They are the pro sports union that has negotiated the worst master contract among the big 4 team sports, so they may not get anywhere, and CK’s crummy play might b reason enough to cut him. Best for the Niners to make no comment, so there’s no evidence of any political repression.

      How can the PC Bay Area folks stand having football teams named after land-raping goldbugs and people-raping, keelhauling, thieving pirates? I suppose they don’t watch tackle football, and stick to “cooperative play” and “New Games.” Or, even worse, soccer!

  42. Gilmore, your analysis is spot-on.

    The only sensible response to all of this is a shrug. CK and everyone who does similarly ‘outrageous,’ controversial things, know exactly what they’re doing, knows how the media and the ‘story of the week’ audience / viewers-in-aggregate will opine and respond. Not falling for it.

  43. Ah, the terrible life of CK. Abandoned by a black father; given up for adoption by a white mother. Adopted by a white family who provided superior educational and sports opportunities for him. Went to college and played football. Played on a championship NFL team. The U.S. has crushed his dreams an others like him. No wonder he rejects symbols of this nation. He’s a victim of male privileged. Oh, wait, never mind. He’s a victim of white privilege. Oh, wait, never mind. He’s a victim of the 49ers ranking system. Yes! Yes! He has been demoted because his father is black! Oh, the agony!!!

    No wonder he sought the safety of his #BLM and Islamic girlfriend who was also denied an education at UC Berkeley… even though she graduated.

    #BLM: “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    1. As you have outlined, Kaepernick is just another rebel without a clue.

  44. Not Okay

    The town of Salem, Mass., was stunned earlier this week after police reported that seven vandals planted fireworks inside the newspaper box of a local LGBT publication.

    The Rainbow Times, the largest LGBT publication in New England, was targeted by assailants at 1:19 a.m. Tuesday. The incident took place at a pedestrian mall on Essex Street, one known as a prime location for shoppers during the daytime.

    ———-

    Nicole Lashomb, the editor in chief of the Times, said she was shocked by the surveillance footage of the incident.

    “When I first saw it, I gasped and cupped my hand over my mouth,” Lashomb told the Boston Herald. “It was that shocking to me. After the explosion went off the box is sitting there in flames until the officers arrive.”

    She believes that the vandals were sending a clear message.

    “The message is they don’t want us there,” Lashomb said, adding: “I think you have to be concerned about violence. I think with the presidential race and the political climate ? it could lead to more violence.”

    Round up the usual suspects. Obviously Trump is to blame.

    1. Every act of vandalism is politically motivated. We all know that.

      1. Every act of politics is vandalism-motivated.

      2. Not booze motivated?

  45. He has the right to sit down during the national anthem if he wants to.

    However, all he and his statements demonstrate is his ignorance and self-righteousness.

  46. Contemptible piece of shit has a right to speak his mind and let everyone know what a contemptible piece of shit he is. This is one of the many benefits of freedom of expression.

  47. One more thing.

    For all the pissing and moaning about this country from scum like this, keep in mind what kind of world we would live in without the US. What is risible is the notion that the world would not be an immeasurably worse place.

  48. Meh. He has every right to not stand.

    That being said, it sounds more petulant, misguided and naive than it does substantially intellectually. He’s just a Che-wearing millionaire athlete lashing out like a teenager more than anything. After all, this terrible country has accorded him a fabulous salary and a moment in stardom, no? He’s being quite selective – as all people who haven’t thought things through properly are apt to do.

    Let it slide. He’s not worth expunging too much energy in a discussion. I don’t think too many people will confuse him with being a profound thinker. He should focus on getting his career on track before pulling these lame stunts though. Just my opinion.

    1. True. Profound thinkers don’t wear Che t shirts.

  49. I never understand one’s resistance to saying the pledge of allegiance or standing for the national anthem on the one hand and an insistence that one is still as patriotic. That’s fucking retarded. If the flag, national anthem and patriotism make you uncomfortable its because you’re not that patriotic.Stop making excuses. OWN IT!

    And just because we have a constitutional right to burn an American flag doesn’t make burning the flag patriotic anymore than pole dancing is patriotic because its protected speech.

    What Kaepernick did is deeply offensive to millions of Americans particularly for the reasons he did it, which are badly misinformed, disrespectful, and UNPATRIOTIC.

    1. The thing is, most proggies want to have it both ways. They want the admirarion and approval of the unpatriotic, and they want the patriotic to never, ever criticise them.

      F-‘ing twelve year olds.

    2. I never understand one’s resistance to saying the pledge of allegiance

      Perhaps people are aware that Americans managed to be patriotic for a hundred and sixty years without a pledge written by socialists for state worship?

  50. The fellating of the military and police at professional sporting events is over the top to say the least and it gets worse every year it seems.

    1. But Obama is our first black president, so that cannot be true

  51. C’mon, Nick. This was Krapeldick gaslighting the rest of the world. Including you.

    He called an opposing NFL member “nigger” two years ago. And now, KP’s making a stand (or rather, a sit)?

  52. I wish they’d call grilles “meat oppressors”.

    That would mean George’s grill would be called the George Forman Opressor. Fuck those cows. We’re gonna knock out the fat, cook your cat and oppress all animals, even that creepy vampire bat……….

    But George, I thought we were cool.

    George: We’ll always be cool,but you’re now going to be the ingredients in my cooking school, as I have to opress all animals so they go in one end and come out the other as stool.

  53. Although I don’t necessarily agree with his reasons for not standing, I do agree with his right to do it. Standing for the national anthem is a sign of respect, but it’s also a promotion of loyalty to the state. In this country the state does not (should not) demand unquestioned loyalty from the people. The government exists by the generosity and volition of the people, and if the people or any individual is at odds with it for whatever reason it is their right to protest it. Honestly, refusing to bow to the flag is in its own way is a great sign of respect to American values, i.e. liberty. By not standing for the national anthem he is exercising his American civil liberties and showing that this is a country of choice. We can choose to stand for the anthem or we can choose not to. As soon as we lose that right the state owns us. Clearly this is not why he chose not to stand, but it is actually a very noble act as an American.

  54. So, pointing out that this young man — who has no idea of what racial oppression was really like — has profited enormously from the very society he has chosen to disparage is “risible?” Please.

    1. To be fair, this young man really has a messed up personal life: although he looks white, his birth mother claims that he is the son of a “6’2″ black man” and wanted nothing to do with him (her parents had offered to raise him for her). He also recently converted to Islam.

      1. Because if any society knows how to treat minorities, it’s Islamic society.

  55. What’s with the look-alike Muslim beard anyway?

      1. Any Westerner who converted to Islam after 9/11 is a total fool.

        1. before or after

          same same

  56. He’s free to sit and I support his decision if he thinks it will help his cause.

    If his teammates, some who risk their health and safety to protect him (admittedly for a large amount of money) had a problem with it, I’d defer to their judgement. It just really never works out well when you put the spotlight on yourself for any reason in a team sport.

  57. Oh, and as other’s have said, he’s got waaaayyy bigger things to worry about, if he played for me I’d have to question his focus and drive.

  58. My heart goes out to all oppressed multi-millionaires. Especially those with really stupid jobs.

  59. “There’s no doubt that athletes and other entertainers take professional risks when they speak out on politically charged topics.”

    Yeah, they’re regular heroes.

    How about if they do something which will get them the spittle-flecked hostility of media and the Right Thinking People? Like say that men and women are born different, that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, that killing babies is wrong, etc.

    1. What if he said he can’t salute the flag of a country which consigns innocent black babies in the womb to death?

      1. Wearing pink on every orifice of his body during breast cancre month would not have saved him.

    2. athletes and other entertainers take professional risks when they speak out on politically charged topics.”

      That really needed to be linked to one of those “black and white video montages where celebrities each repeat a word or catchphrase about Gun Control“…type things.

      So brave. Much risk.

      1. Nauseating.

        Nauseating.

        Nauseating.

        We can do better. For the children. Demand less nausea. Together. We are strong. American. Blah. Repeated words. Repeated words. Come on.

        Nauseauuuughhhh

    1. I’m a little skeptical since they claim he has converted to Islam with no proof. However if you look at his instagram account it looks like he went sort of crazy last autumn, shifting from ordinary person photos to Black Panther glorification and the like, which correlates with his severe drop-off in play.

  60. no question that law enforcement treats minorities and lower-class Americans differently than whites and the well-off

    Well, duh. That’s mostly because whites and the well-off are much less likely to attack police or cause them trouble in general.

    I have no doubt that some police are prejudiced and even racist, but to think that’s some sort of root cause, and not largely an effect, is willful blindness. Of course someone who has to deal with criminals is going to draw general conclusions. Police are human. They learn from experience. They soon learn that a traffic stop of an old Asian lady has a very different risk profile than a traffic stop of a 20-something black male dressed like a stereotypical ghetto dweller. I’d be willing to bet that black cops and white cops would agree, and not because of some ideological phantom like “internalized racism.”

    Is that fair? Arguably not. In theory, while we should all learn from experience, we should also judge everyone as individuals. Unfortunately, in practice, that’s difficult.

    It’s also funny to me to hear “whites are racist” or “cops are violent bigots” from people who get so shirty about “prejudices” and “sweeping generalizations.”

  61. While I think his gesture is misplaced in that the problems with police violence stem more from unions and local policies rather than federal ones, there’s not much else Kapernick can do during a football game that will demonstrate how he feels about this issue that wouldn’t also hurt his team. He can’t alter his uniform or he gets fined, and he can’t do things that would cause his team to lose in order to demonstrate his protestations, or he’ll be off the field real fast. There are a limited number of things he can do while the spotlight is on him.

  62. Is his gesture misplaced? Maybe.

    But he didn’t even call attention to himself at first. It wasn’t until after the sports media started making a big deal about it and shoving cameras in his face that he finally explained himself. And anybody who thinks that refusing to salute the flag is somehow insulting to this country is less patriotic than Kaep is in at least understanding what his rights are.

    1. A very astute observation, sir. I tip my glass of whiskey to you.

      Good evening.

    2. He did not have to call attention to this action, he knew it would take off on it’s own. BTW, we know what his rights are, we just think he is a real shit for his action.

      1. And I think you’re a shit for thinking he’s a shit.

        Even if he’s wrong as to why there’s a problem wit policing in this country, he’s right that there’s a problem.

        The War on Drugs, which should more accurately be called the War on the American people, has been a corrosive and corrupting influence. The Bill of Rights has been severely weakened, and there’s very little oversight or discipline when it comes to the police violating civil rights.

        A couple years back a Baltimore cop named Vincent Cosmo assaulted a man outside a store. A couple of other cops helped him commit this assault and to falsely arrest his victim for assaulting Cosom. The whole thing was captured on the city’s Blue Light cameras, but the department sat on that for over three months while his victim sat in jail. The defense attorney for the victim managed to get the footage, however, and the false charges were thrown out. But Cosom only faced a misdemeanor assault charge (eventually convicted) and the cops who helped him faced no consequences. Ultimately, Cosom spent less time in jail than his victim did awaiting trial on the false charges.

        If it weren’t for the Blue Light cameras and a defense attorney doing his job, his victim would have spent considerably more time in jail and in prison.

  63. I stopped reading the comments after about 150. My 3 cents

    1. He is an falling player looking for attention and to have a “reason” for losing his job.

    2. So a guy who can make millions playing football hates america for ??? Making him rich? Maybe he should have stopped standing up for it at the first NFL game he played in. And given every penny of his salary after $15.00/hr to a charity.I mean if he means what he says and all.

    3. Long time ago, I figured out that things like the National anthem are as aspirational as much they are patriotic. It represents what we want to be as much as what we came from or are.

    4. Libertarians can actually believe in the constitution. Its like Churchill said about “democracy” , better than anything else that’s ever been tried.

    Note: please see the quotes on “democracy” before blowing gaskets.

    1. FOOTNOTE. He can do whatever he wants, the little snowflake. But he can’t pretend there will not be a fallout.

      1. Or:
        Having no governmental interference in your speech does not mean that what you speak will always be free of bad consequences.

    2. Where did he say he hates America? Or that he, personally, was or felt oppressed?

  64. People who say that sports is not the place to talk about serious issues are trying to live in a fantasy world.

    Which is precisely what many people *want* sports to be — an escape from the real world.

    1. No , politics must be *everything.* No entertainment, o literature, no art. Just politics. The perfect world.

  65. I am pretty sure that Alex Smith is laughing his ass off.

    Or really pissed.

    Both?

  66. Kaepernick’s sit-down is pusillanimous, egocentric grandstanding.I had friends who died in combat upholding his right to be an unpatriotic jerk and lift his hind leg on the nation that pays him $19,000,000 to toss a ball. On his facebook page, I posted the following comment, to which he has made no reply: “If you are sincere and not merely a sloganeer for the notion that “black lives matter”, do tell us everything you are currently doing to: 1) stop the glamorization of drug abuse and whoredom in black music; 2) overturn Obama policies such as Dodd-Frank, Obamacare, and threatened minimum-wage laws, that have created 47% unemployment among black teens; 3) elect politicians who will end the subsidizing of black bastardy, and stop using taxpayer dollars to create fatherless blacks who are more likely than anyone else to grow up murdering black people; 4) end the policies which, in New York City in 2014, resulted in having the number of black children killed by abortionists exceed the number of black children born alive.”

  67. Colin is making his gluteus maximus bigger than the United States, Refusing to stand up costs him nothing, saves not one black life, and merely gives him attention. If he cared enough about the problem to say “I refuse to SUIT UP in any arena that displays that flag”, he would at least be putting his money where his mouth is. He’d still be an ungrateful, inappropriate idiot, but at least he’d be showing the manhood of someone willing to put something at stake for a principle

  68. I support his right of speech and expression but hope he becomes the most hated player in NFL history. His action are legal but actions can have repercussions.

  69. I went to high school with a Jehovah’s Witness gal. She never gave the pledge of allegiance or stood up for it. One day when she was being taunted for that, I said, “Hey, it’s against her religion to pledge allegiance to anything but God!” She was so used to being called out as unpatriotic or stupid or whatever, that when I said that, she teared up and thanked me and hugged me. I mean, I always did the pledge, but I respected her reasons not to.

    Kapernick on the other hand just comes off as whiney.

  70. Shorter: Multi-millionaire feels oppressed.

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  72. I’m still trying to figure out who is oppressed in the U.S. other than tax payers and gun owners and christians

  73. He made a choice and he will have to pay the consequences. That is what freedom is all about. As for the cops being asked to do to many things. Stop enforcing victimless crime and being revenue generators for the State. Your job is protect people from violent crime. Trying doing that for a while.

  74. One of the problems with kaper’s claims is that he lives in a state where there are no more majority races. whites compared to all others are a minority now in this state just like all other races in this state. and most cities where police oppression is supposed to be occuring have similar racial balance

  75. Calling him a “spoiled brat” for taking a stand on an issue that probably does not impact him personally is risible.

  76. He certainly has the right to do so. I have the right to disagree with his actions, and I certainly do. Until we start living E Pluribus Unum, racism will persist. He is hurting his cause not helping it.

  77. He certainly has the right to do so. I have the right to disagree with his actions, and I certainly do. Until we start living E Pluribus Unum, racism will persist. He is hurting his cause not helping it.

  78. I’m an iconoclast, so flags have always defeated me. But I stand during the national anthem and I think about what freedom means to me – what it is and how it’s maintained. It’s about a two minute time for reflection. Just because I stand up and face the general direction of the flag doesn’t mean I support every last page that has flown into the Federal Registry that week. In the same way, when I go to the 4th of July parade, which everyone else has turned into ANOTHER hand job for “our doughboys”, I consider what really took place and is supposed to be commemorated on that day. It’s not that hard.

    1. Also, does anyone ponder why a nation’s “anthem” is played before a sporting event? When did this start? Just because there’s 60,000 of us ready to watch some guys swing at a pitch or bashing each other to move a ball up and down some grass requires a collective ceremony? I’m 48, so this isn’t some “bucking the system” questioning the establishment in a reactionary way. Just something along the lines if any even THINKS about what is being accomplished. Sort of like if any even thinks about why your employer is responsible for your health care. Rarely in existence 70 years ago is no so entrenched few THINK about the twaining of the two. But like I said, it’s time to reflect and think, for or against what you think represents or SHOULD represent.

  79. If only the NFL and other pro-sports didn’t exclude minorities.

  80. I’m sure I don’t care. It’s hysterically funny watching a half black raised by white middle class people multimillionaire from playing a game young man scream and pout like a child about being oppressed though.

    IS HE giving any of his millions to help ‘his people’?

  81. Ceremonies and symbols are important. Most people, especially football fans are pretty oblivious to the authoritarian drift of increasing government and that which infects police. The national symbols, the flag and the anthem are equated with “liberty and justice for all” and the ideals that traditionally taken as”American.” People see him dissing the anthum, they don’t think “the police need to be changed”. They think “what an asshole. This guys “protest” is not like Ali refusing the draft for instance, because it was plain to see what he was doing. This is an attention grabber to put him in good standing with a certain group.
    He’s done in the NFL.

  82. . . . sure, he has a right to . . . . . look stupid, ignorant, sick?

  83. Maybe, just maybe, if he feels so strongly about all this, he can do something a bit more involved than sitting on a fucking bench about it.

  84. I kind of wish i owned the 49ers, so i could come out and make clear that i support him 100% an he’s not going anywhere, even if i think he’s an idiot too.

  85. CK had every right to do it. The reason he was wrong, was that it was exercising a freedom and simultaneously rejecting the compact that makes the exercise possible.

    Individual freedom and autonomy is great, and it IS the primary benefit of being an American. Still, it cannot survive on its own. As an individual, you cannot maintain your freedom yourself if the prior course of humanity is any guide. CK would have been more reasonable had he simply refused to stand because he doesn’t believe in symbols, or anthems, but he probably doesn’t feel that way judging by his tatoos and uniform. He made this clear when he said that he specifically rejects the symbols and anthem of the United States Still, the point is that he is affirmatively declaring he is not committed to the nation. Of course, he wants his contracts enforced, his property guarded, his rights preserved, his greenbacks to be accepted and his passport to work, but he is affirmatively against the mutual arrangement that makes these things last.

    Eric Hoffer observed that those who bite the hand that feeds them will usually lick the boot that kicks them. CK reminds me of that sort of emotional infancy. It would be best to treat him as if he is insisting that 2 plus 2 equals 6.

  86. Is it really an empty gesture for Nick to buy flower and boxes of chocolates for his wife on their anniversary or Valentine’s Day? I mean, after all, these are days marked for arbitrary reasons.There are moments in marriages that worth celebrating than your first date.

    I also have a first amendment right to wear a Hawaiian shirt to someone’s funeral, but….. come on.

    We don’t have to be slightly obtuse to defend Kaepernick. Human beings don’t live in a vacuum where everything falls within reason. We’re creatures of habit and belong to a certain collective and tradition. You’re not land going to land on Japan and just feel, “Well, I’m just on the eastern part of the world populated by yellow human beings”.

    This is an ass move by Kap and will only stifle conversations. It’s as myopic as our athletes refusing to stand up for Saudi Arabia’s anthem one of their teams come here for a friendly. Or it’s like putting mayo in Bahn Mi Sandwhich – that’s for the SJW crowd.

  87. Whether or not he is right doesn’t change the fact that not standing is HIS right.

  88. To me, Kaepernick comes off as pretty immature here, even juvenile. I think he’s probably sincere in his concerns but I don’t think this is the best way to express it. Also, I wonder how much of this has to do with the notion he won’t necessarily be starting for the 49ers this year and he may end up benched, traded, or cut. It’s got to compound his frustration. If this is how he wants to show his frustration for what he sees wrong with the US, that’s his prerogative (and his right) but I still think he’s acting like a douche.

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