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Donald Trump, Who Promised Repeatedly to Release His Tax Returns, Definitely Won't Release His Tax Returns

Even Nixon released his taxes while under audit.

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CreditDavid T. Foster III/TNS/Newscom

More than a year ago, in February of 2015, Donald Trump—who was not yet running for president—said he would "certainly" release his personal tax returns. "I would release tax returns," he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, reiterating later in the interview that, "I have no objection to certainly showing tax returns." 

In January of this year, as Trump was leading in the GOP primary polls, he again said that the returns were forthcoming. "We're working on that now. I have big returns, as you know, and I have everything all approved and very beautiful and we'll be working that over in the next period of time," he said on MSNBC.

In May, after he had effectively locked up the nomination, he said once again that he planned to release them—though perhaps not until after the election. "So, the answer is, I'll release. Hopefully before the election I'll release," he said on Fox News. "And I'd like to release." The hold-up, he explained, was that he was under audit by the Internal Revenue Service.

Trump formally accepted the Republican party's nomination for president last week. And this morning, his campaign manager, Paul Manafort, confirmed what Trump's year-plus-long dodge on the matter has always implied: Donald Trump won't release his tax returns before the presidential election this November.

"Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them," Manafort said this morning.

This isn't a violation of any rule. But as with so much of Trump's campaign, it's a violation of norms and expectations. He will be the first major party nominee in more than 40 years to not make any returns public. There's no modern precedent for his refusal to release this information; instead, Trump is setting a precedent, paving the way for candidates of the future to avoid transparency.

There's lots of speculation about why, exactly, Trump won't release the information. Would it show financial connections to Russia? Would it reveal that he paid no taxes, or that he made very little money? Would it suggest that Trump is not nearly as rich as he says he is?

These sorts of guessing games, while interesting, don't get us far. But the refusal to release the returns is telling enough. It's more evidence that his word isn't worth a damn, and neither are his excuses.

Trump's vows to release his tax returns, like so many of his promises, were totally worthless. And his stated reason—that he is under audit by the IRS—doesn't hold up either.

There's no rule whatsoever prohibiting Trump from releasing returns, even in the midst of an audit, presuming that he is, in fact, being audited (and there's some question about whether this is even true). He could do so if he wanted.

Indeed, there's a precedent for a presidential candidate releasing his returns even as an audit is ongoing. In 1973, Richard Nixon was embroiled in a tax scandal over a charitable donation on his personal tax returns. As a result of the scandal, according to tax historian Joseph Thorndike, Nixon's taxes were scrutinized by the Joint Committee on Taxation, which found that he owed nearly half a million dollars more than he had paid. The IRS eventually agreed. Despite all this, Nixon still managed to make his tax returns public.

That's how shady Trump is: He makes Nixon look like a model of transparency and accountability. 

(Correction: Nixon wasn't running for re-election in 1973! Apologies for the error.) 

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  1. In 1973, as he was running for reelection, Richard Nixon was embroiled in a tax scandal over a charitable donation on his personal tax returns.

    What tax scandal is Trump embroiled in?

    1. Don’t worry, the IRS will find something.

    2. And the Clintons actually do have a mini-scandal over their late and incomplete filings for the Foundation. Or, they would if anyone could be bothered to cover it.

      1. Until wikileaks publishes, there’s nothing to report.

        1. And then it becomes treason to Our Beloved Leader to report.

    3. He’s being audited, so obviously he did something wrong.

      Also, the election was long over by 1973. GG, Suderman.

      1. hahaha that’s the line that tipped me off that it must be a Suderman post. Most advanced case of TDS here

    4. Doesn’t matter. Trump could release his 2015 return, or his 2014 return, etc. — release whichever one is the most recent that has gone through the audit process. It won’t happen because Trump has too much to hide and his ego is larger than Jupiter.

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  2. He’d be foolish to release them unilaterally.

    Are the Clinton’s releasing theirs? I haven’t heard that they are, and haven’t even heard any demands that they do (which seems odd – why ask one but not both candidates?).

    Trump should say that he will release his simultaneously with the Clintons releasing theirs, and the tax returns for their Foundation.

    Safe bet that the Clintons absolutely will never release theirs (the Foundation’s will eventually be public anyway on GuideStar, but its the next few months that matter), so he won’t have to release his and any questions about it become questions about the Clinton’s taxes.

    1. We should all strive to make the Clintons our basic standards of public decency.

    2. Are you completely retarded, or do you just pretend to be? https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/tax-returns/

      1. Yeah, I just saw that. Color me surprised.

        1. She hasn’t got anything to hide, after all. Well, nothing she didn’t already scrub from the private server she set up to avoid revelations of her ongoing business affairs while serving as SoS. Not that it matters, the rubes will be impressed by her income tax disclosures.

          1. Everybody knows that all of Hillary’s dirty dealings are done through the Clinton Foundation. How open have they been with those records?

      2. huh.

        In a statement, the foundation appears to acknowledge that for at least three years, its tax returns reported speech income in a manner inconsistent with financial disclosure forms Hillary Clinton filed as secretary of state.
        When POLITICO raised questions earlier this year about the omission from those disclosures of some paid speeches by former President Bill Clinton, officials said the fees for those speeches went to the foundation and were treated as payment for a service rendered on behalf of the foundation. Clinton aides said that as a result the payments did not need to be disclosed even though the forms require listing payments directed to charities in lieu of honoraria.

        http://www.politico.com/story/…..z4Fd4johHF

      3. Maybe I missed it but what do the Clintons do that earns them $43 million a year? They don’t own a business that I know of, weren’t partners in a firm, didn’t invent anything etc. Can it be just through ‘speaking engagements’? Just curious.

          1. Disguised as paid speeches.

        1. Sorry, meant $43 since 2007.

          1. million. Argh, If you fuckers weren’t so grammatically annoying I would have let it be. BUT I DON’T WANT TO BE BULLIED.

            1. Just let out your inner Hihn and accept it.

            2. You’re an amusing little twerp. Now, give us your lunch money.

            3. Oh Rufus, we’re not going to bully you for your grammar and spelling inadequacies.

              We have so many other inadequacies of yours to pick on before we get down to spelling and grammer that you just don’t have to worry about that.

        2. On their 2014 return it shows each of them earning about $10 million from speaking fees.

          1. Good on them I guess.

            Although I personally wouldn’t pay a Mr. Freeze or Slush Puppy to hear them speak.

            Yuck.

          2. Plus several thousand a year in book sales.

          3. Which is so odd to me since I cannot stand to hear either of them saying anything, at any time, for any reason.

      4. By the way Hail Retaxes, in a government environment that is so corrupt that breaking the law blatantly receives not penalty whatsoever, why do you think that the tax returns of Hillary Clinton were accurate or even scrutinized by the IRS?
        I believe nothing I see anymore that is the result of government reporting.

      5. Are you completely retarded, or do you just pretend to be?

        Considering that the Clintons wrap their assets up into trusts and an ostensibly charitable organization, I’m not exactly moved by the contents of what amounts to her technical tax return. Great ad hominem though.

    3. From a quick Google search, it seems that the Clintons released their 2007-2014 returns last year.

      1. And, as the Politico article above shows, they use the Foundation to bury inconvenient financial transactions.

        1. Like I asked above, $43 million is a LOT OF EFFEN MONEY.

    4. A quick google search indicates that she has released the last 8 years worth of returns.

      She’s also given several speeches hitting Trump for not doing the same. It’d be a bit…odd…for her to do so if she hadn’t released her own.

    5. If you search on Google you’ll quickly learn that she released her taxes from the past seven years.

      1. I had you pegged for an Ask Jeeves user.

      2. I would love to know the returns from the period where she claimed they were poor.

        Which I don’t believe for one second.

    6. If you bothered to yahoo search it you’ll find she’s already released it.

    7. Yes. She released returns for the past eight years. A simple google search would have answered this.

      1. Though please do not Bing it, as the first results are for “This Ain’t Hillary’s Tax Returns: A XXX Parody”

    8. Damn RC, that was one hell of a dog pile.

      And just to add to it, why didn’t you do a DuckDuckGo search, retard?

      (all in good fun)

      1. I know. I especially appreciate all the posts after I posted, twice, that I had Googled and found it all on my own.

        You guys are the best!

  3. How could Nixon have been running for re-election in 1973?

    Also, I don’t understand what about being under audit makes it dangerous or bad to make tax info public.

    1. Because you never fucking volunteer *anything* when dealing with cops. And IRS auditors are cops.

      You give the IRS auditor *exactly* and only what they demand AND the law requires you to turn over and only when they demand it.

      Then you don’t go publishing your info because that puts it in the public domain and there’s no telling what the investigators know or don’t know and what may give them more rope (however short) to hang you with.

      Plus, complain as people might – if you don’t release and no one stops voting for you because of it then why would you in the first place. No politician or senior government official who’s released tax info has ever benefited from the disclosure and quite a few have lost their positions when they did.

      1. No lawyer in his right mind would let a client release tax returns while they were under audit.

        1. No lawyer in h is right mind would let a client release anything that isn’t already in the public domain.

          FIFY

        2. Why not? The IRS already has the returns. It’s the rest of us who need to see them.

          1. That’s what I don’t get. How could releasing a form that’s already being audited possibly get you in trouble with those who are auditing it?

          2. They don’t if you mail in printed forms.

            If you mail in your tax forms, someone manually types in certain lines from the form into their system. They can’t afford to transcribe the entire form. The IRS knows exactly how much it costs to add a new line to be transcribed, so if you want to add another line to be transcribed, you have to show it’ll bring in more revenue than it’ll cost to enter in. One example is dependent SSN. An IRS agent figured out how much money was lost on falsely claimed dependents and showed the IRS that it’d would increase revenue more than it cost to add in the dependent SSN line. When they did that, millions of dependents suddenly disappeared and the IRS brought in several million more in revenue.

            By releasing the forms, the entire form will be examined by thousands of Americans at least some of whom will know how to audit it.

            (If you submit electronically, the IRS has your entire form. It doesn’t cost them money to import the entire thing into their systems.)

      2. You give the IRS auditor exactly & only what they demand…but didn’t they already demand & get the tax filing? How could they even be auditing it if they don’t have it already?

  4. Trump is setting a precedent, paving the way for candidates of the future to avoid transparency.

    Yes, transparency has been a staple of the Executive Branch for generations.

    1. Particularly with the current administration.

      icbistwl

  5. Trump is setting a precedent, paving the way for candidates of the future to avoid transparency.

    Yes, transparency has been a staple of the Executive Branch for generations.

    1. The notion that Trump is setting a precedent for lack of transparency, after the stone wall against any disclosures of past history by Obama, is . . . disappointing. The kind of thing that might make a fella suspect the author has a double standard.

      1. Hell, we could go back to W and then to W – ‘I swear there are WMD’s in Iraq, you just have to trust me’ and ‘depends on what the meaning of is is’.

      2. People would probably accuse him of having “Obama derangement syndrome” and shoehorning gratuitous criticisms of Obama into articles that are ostensibly about other subjects.

      3. Yes, any criticism of Trump is proof the author loves Obama and Clinton.

        And why stop with Obama? He’s far from the first president to have issues with transparency.

        1. I kinda think Obama set a new bar, though.

          1. Teapot. Dome.

            NEVER FORGET

            1. Cox lover!

        2. Hope and fucking Change. Most Transparent Admin Ever. These were not just normal BS promises in 2008, they were important after the Iraq war debacle and the expanded security state under Bush.

          Every candidate promises to help the economy. When the economy is in the shitter, a guy gets elected, and it gets shittier, it’s OK to throw those promises back in his face.

          Also, Obama is the current office holder. We can’t do squat about either Bush, Bill Clinton, or Teddy Roosevelt at this point.

          1. ^This^

  6. I will give Trump a point for this.

    His tax return is nobody’s fucking business.

    1. Nobody but the IRS.

    2. If Trump had come right out and said he wouldn’t release his tax returns because they were nobody else’s damn business, I could respect that. Hell, I’ve always thought the whole tax return thing was bogus. But, that’s not what he did. He made big, fancy promises to release his tax returns, then offered up mealy-mouthed excuses for not doing so. This is just one more example of how the Great Orange Father speaks with a forked tongue.

      1. Well said.

  7. I’m old enough to remember a time when candidates used to release their college transcripts/records. Trying to remember who it was that broke with that…hmmm, who was it now? O…O…something.

    1. Jeez, really? How about the elementary school report cards. Uh oh, looks like Donnie got a “U” in “relates well with others”.

  8. I actually think Cuban’s theory makes the most sense.

    1) Lots of people concerned how much money the Clinton’s have made. More interesting to me they have paid 43mm IN TAXES since 2007
    2) I’d bet the 43mm in TAXES the Clinton’s paid is not only more taxes than @realDonaldTrump has paid. I’d bet they made more too
    3) it’s not a tough argument looking at their taxes and fec filings that the Clinton’s are much smarter business people and negotiators
    4) I get offers almost daily (at same $ as clintons) to give speeches Organizations want knowledge and insight. It’s a great business
    5) maybe @realDonaldTrump didn’t release his taxes become @HillaryClinton paid more in taxes than @realDonaldTrump made in income ?

    1. More interesting to me they have paid 43mm IN TAXES since 2007

      The Clintons already released their returns? If not, how do we know this? I’ll take a credible source, if there is one.

      it’s not a tough argument looking at their taxes and fec filings that the Clinton’s are much smarter business people and negotiators

      So they have released their returns? Where are they? Is there any reason to take their FEC filings at face value?

      I get offers almost daily (at same $ as clintons) to give speeches

      I guess its possible that somebody is offering him $750K per speech, but I have a hard time believing it.

      1. Oh, by the way Mark, paying more in taxes does not make you smarter. Paying as little as fucking possible makes you smarter.

    2. They’re smarter negotiators – they are not ‘business people’ at all. Trump’s definitely more of a businessman than any of the Clinton’s. Sucking up to power and improperly selling access is not a business.

      1. Well I don’t agree with the business part but it would be pretty funny if Trump made less cash over the last couple of years than the Clinton’s have.

        1. I want to believe.

        2. I’m sure he has, that’s how you protect your wealth from the taxman, you put it into things that don’t count as income.

      2. It’s pretty easy to make money selling access and favors to foreign governments and businesses while running the State Department if you know you will not be held accountable. Jesus Christ, this is like saying some mafia don was a great businessman and negotiator because he made millions. Easy to make money and win negotiations when the bottom line is do as I say or I’ll kill you with impunity.

        1. Shorter Cuban: You know who the greatest business man ever was? Pablo Escobar. Dude made billions and didn’t pay much in taxes at all.

          1. Pretty much, yeah.

      3. If you business model is to use government to stifle competition and help you with your monopolies, or like the Clintons, using your government connections to sell favors which are then paid off as speaking engagements, then yeah, the Clintons are indeed very business savvy.

      4. It is if you’re emulating the mafia.

    3. 3) it’s not a tough argument looking at their taxes and fec filings that the Clinton’s are much smarter business people and negotiators

      It’s true. They’ve made hundreds of millions selling favors and access to foreign governments.

      1. They are super smart business people…with no passive income stream on their returns other than that cushy pension.

    4. I think that’s pretty likely. Why would he organize his myriad business holdings in such a way that he would declare their profits on his personal taxes? FFS, my old man didn’t even do that and all he ran was a five man carpentry firm.

      1. ? How are you not reporting a carpentry firm’s profits on your personal tax return unless you are organized as a C-corp?

    5. I don’t buy Cuban’s explanation. All of the Clinton’s returns have pretty simple business returns. They make their schedule C income from speaking and the expenses are pretty simple. Trump’s return is more likely to have more pass through entity and real estate income which is far more complicated, Remember how everyone complained about Romney’s effective tax rate.

      1. And Cuban should know better. Which indicates this is just a political hit job on his part.

  9. Tax returns are between you and the IRS. The public has no right to see them.

    1. I don’t know. I think if you’re running for president the public has the right to see all sorts of personal shit about you. In my mind, fuck you for wanting to be president so if you want it so badly then everyone needs to know as much about you as possible.

      1. What did any of the presidents’ tax returns look like prior to, oh say 1861? How is that some sort of requirement for the office?

    2. No right, but if you’re asking the public for their vote…

    3. There’s two things people are knocking Trump for on this.

      1) Not releasing his returns
      2) Lying about it.

      Even if you’re okay with (1) (as you state you are), (2) is still worthy of comment.

  10. I giggle whenever a Republican points to that rare moment when Trump espouses a conservative thought. “See!”

    Nonsense.

    The only through line in Trump’s run is Trump. It’s all you can expect.

    His word means absolutely nothing. Zilch, as the Monkees once sang.

    The press will pound him on the tax issue for as long as it takes. He’ll fight back, but enough voters will realize what’s going on. Even if he relents, and there’s nothing damaging to be found … the damage to his brand will be sufficient.

    1. Much to my amazement, Hillary has released her returns:

      https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/tax-returns/

      Google is my friend. I had underestimated the Clintons.

      1. Clinton released a letter from her physician, Dr. Lisa Bardack of Mount Kisco Medical Group, who declared that “she is in excellent physical condition and fit to serve as President of the United States.”

        And my dick is free of AIDS says my pimp.

        1. Fainting spells, funky head injury glasses, periodically coughing up a lung-Sounds perfectly fine to me.

          1. Honest question: If she has a massive coughing fit in the middle of the debates, does that sink her chances at the White House?

            Follow up: Are the debates tape delayed, and if the coughing fit happened would the station suddenly jump to:
            a) commercial for the Hillary Biopic, “Madam Secretary”

            or

            b) The RCA Sign Off Test Pattern, replacing the Native American with Elizabeth Warren’s face

            1. They would suddenly jump to a commercial, and blame it on the difficulty of live television.

      2. Has she opened the books on the Clinton Foundation?

      3. As if they have to worry about any IRS audits if they are lying through their teeth?

    2. It won’t help but the damage will be small. People just don’t care that much. Then again, maybe this will be the thing that sinks him like all the others before it.

    3. I hate to break it to you but nobody’s mind is going to be changed one way or the other by the candidates’ tax returns.

      Nobody outside of politics gives a shit.

    4. Nobody cares about Trump’s taxes.

      1. “Nobody gives a damn about his damn taxes!”

    5. “The only through line in Trump’s run is Trump. It’s all you can expect.”

      Outside of politics, Trump is somewhat of a standout in his media whoring. As a politician though, he’s just more of the same. It’s 100% about ego and ascension to power at any cost for every single one of them. Or at least, in the case of 3rd party candidates, getting some limited relevance that they couldn’t get in a major party.

    6. I am shocked, shocked! that a looter politician can stray from the truth like that.

  11. I have it on good authority that Trump is withholding his tax return because it looks like a penis.

    1. They dwarf his hands. That’s the real problem.

      1. I’ll bet it looks YUUUGE in his hands.

  12. Much of this thing that is Trump is of concern to me; his tax return is not one.

  13. Presidential candidates are expected to be visibly God-fearing and prayerful, too. The absence of such isn’t a violation of any rule. But as with so much of Trump’s campaign, it’s a violation of norms and expectations.

  14. Can’t believe Reason fell for the “I’m being audited” lie at all.

  15. As one or two others have alluded to, Nixon ran for re-election in 1972. What personal tax scandal are you talking about? The Watergate break in occurred in June 1972. But the scandal didn’t really become a public thing until October 1972 and this didn’t do anything to Nixon’s reelection effort (he was running against George McGovern after all).

    As part of the fallout from the Watergate, Nixon was investigated and had to pay 465,000 in back taxes in 1974. But this didn’t come out until well after the election was over.

  16. Donald Trump, Who Promised Repeatedly to Release His Tax Returns, Definitely Won’t Release His Tax Returns

    Why should he? Is Clinton releasing hers and financial info relating the Clinton Slush-fund Foundation?

    1. They have released their personal tax returns. The Foundation, I believe has not been filing complete tax returns, although they may have cleaned up some of their older ones.

  17. This fucking election is the best. too bad one of these assholes has to win:

    Trump Calls on Russia to ‘Find’ Missing Clinton Emails

    Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Russia to “find” the missing emails from Hillary Clinton’s private server.

    “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Trump proposed from a podium at his Doral Resort. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

    Trump faced questions about if he endorses foreign governments meddling in America’s election and domestic affairs, an allegation that he balked at despite issuing the above challenge just moments later. “What do I have to do with Putin?” Trump retorted when asked if he’d tell Putin to stay out of the election. “I’m not going to tell Putin what t do.”

    Greatest. Troll. Ever.

    1. Oh, you beat me. WaPo got the far better ‘pants-shitting headline’ IMO

    2. You know, I want to hate him, but… I’m just not doing very well at it. I think I’ll still vote for none of the above, but I can’t help rooting for him to win and take a piss on all of the political wallahs who think they run this country through their influence peddling.

    3. That is the kind of shit Johnson should be doing but never does. It is the kind of thing that Libertarians should have been doing for years but don’t. What bugs me most about reason is how normal and conformist the entire staff is. Every person at reason eats a good diet, exercises, avoids excess, drives a sensible car but takes public transit whenever possible, and no doubt pleased every teacher they ever had. There isn’t a subversive bone in any of their bodies. Trump doing this no doubt shocks all of them because it is just not what Presidential candidates do.

      In a society where the state gets more ubiquitous every day and more people seem to see it as the solution to their problems, hiring a bunch of conformist, responsible citizens, to push your fringe ideology that rejects the state is probably not a very good plan.

    4. That is the kind of shit Johnson should be doing but never does. It is the kind of thing that Libertarians should have been doing for years but don’t. What bugs me most about reason is how normal and conformist the entire staff is. Every person at reason eats a good diet, exercises, avoids excess, drives a sensible car but takes public transit whenever possible, and no doubt pleased every teacher they ever had. There isn’t a subversive bone in any of their bodies. Trump doing this no doubt shocks all of them because it is just not what Presidential candidates do.

      In a society where the state gets more ubiquitous every day and more people seem to see it as the solution to their problems, hiring a bunch of conformist, responsible citizens, to push your fringe ideology that rejects the state is probably not a very good plan.

      1. Its why McAfee never had a shot at the nom. His public persona is similar to Trump’s and that scares the fuck out of people.

        Because we’re still hiding behind the illusion that the Presidential race is ‘important’ and ‘serious’ and ‘dignified’ and we’re selecting ‘the leader of the free world’.

        The reality is that its a popularity contest that is won by who can most convincingly pretend to offer free shit. As long as the status quo is not upset people can quietly go along with the illusion that there’s someone running the country when the reality is we fluctuate between anarchy and tyranny constantly and NO ONE in power has any fucking idea what they’re doing and they DGAF because what are you going to do? Throw your vote away?

        If Trump gets elected the only way he won’t be the worst president in my lifetime is because *everyone* in the legislative and judicial branches and all the civil service apparatchiks will be openly sabotaging or ignoring him.

        But as a *troll* – he’s blown the cover off this whole absurd theater and exposed it for the nihilistic contest it is.

        1. One of the things that turned me on the conservative movement after considering myself to be a part of it for my entire adult life, was their reaction to Trump’s coarseness and bluntness. Their reaction was basically a bunch of posturing about how he was beneath the dignity of being President. I certainly respect the office of the Presidency and by extension the person who holds it to some degree. The idea, however, that running for public office is some kind of sacred priesthood that only the most serious and dignified among us or worthy of being a member offends me to no end. Politicians and office holders are hired help. There are few things more rooted in American tradition and at least once in conservative tradition than the citizen legislator. But conservatives have become so corrupted by the worship of government and “top men” that their only response to Trump was “we can’t have that kind of a man in such an important position”. Well fuck them. Let the reality show host have a shot. The “top men” have damn near destroyed this country..

          Jeb Bush on TV saying he couldn’t support Trump because the Presidency is “sacred” drove me over the edge. Sacred? The term un American is thrown around way too lightly. Here it applies. There is nothing un American than thinking a political office is sacred. .

    5. Neither of these looters has to win. Unrigged elections are up for grabs no matter what the odds (see Brexit). The looters or their dupes might kill each other off, maybe even figuratively. Or perhaps foreign religious fanatics might jam or take out the teevee networks, leaving the proles susceptible to reason. What is certain is that I personally win when I vote libertarian, why? Because the growing spoiler vote packs ten to fifty times the clout of a bandwagon hitchhiker, and absolutely changes the law, court rulings and Constitution of the land. An LP spoiler vote is clear, unambiguous and packed with valuable information.

      1. Who . . . who are you talking to?

  18. Let me float this out: The former Attorney General of the United States should not be giving speeches at partyconventions. Honestly, maybe I’m off on this, but Holder giving an address at the DNC seems like a slap in the face of lady liberty.

    1. Meh. Chris Christie will probably be the next one which is unseemly so yeah I’d agree.

      1. You know what, Idle? I’m drunk off my ass and thought I’d sit down at the old computer thingy and see what’s happening. It never ends. I’ll try to sharpen my wits and make silly comments about silly things silly people are doing, but it never ends. Tonight, I met a commodities trader, sugar, at the bar I stopped off at on the way home. Hot little number. Talked about price suppression, int rates and credit bubbles. 34 year old smoking hot Japanese babe. Every other dude in the bar was talking Pokemon, but I had her attention. Now I’m off to bed with my smoking hot wife, to me anyways, and will wake up and do it again tomorrow. That’s as Agile Cyborg as I get when drunk. Peace. And no war.

        1. Rub it out, don’t rub it in.

        2. Every other dude in the bar was talking Pokemon

          It’s almost like Japan wants to be responsible for the end of civilization.

    2. Former is fine. Current would be a problem.

  19. legally no one has to ever release their tax returns to anyone other than the IRS so I would say f off you piker until you change the law to say candidates need to release tax returns.

    1. It’s sort of like publicly disclosing the size of one’s dick. Sure, Trump doesn’t have to do it, but he’d release it in a heartbeat if he thought people would be impressed.

      1. By that standard, almost every politician (barring some notable exceptions,(Weiner)) has a one of below-average size.

  20. Of course Suderman would publish a piece on Trump during the DNC. Speaking of taxes, looks like the IRS is going to investigate the Clinton Foundation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer……le/2597857

    1. Speaking of taxes, looks like the IRS is going to investigate gladhand the Clinton Foundation to barely satisfy a recommendation from House Republicans.

      1. I feel like their going full McNulty on this one. “The LT told me I had to do this bullshit, so here I am. And fuck him. Let’s go get a beer.”

        1. Fuck me. They’re.

      2. And they will “clear” the Clinton Foundation of any wrongdoing before the election in order to take the issue off the table.

        1. They got burned on that mark already. Koskinen is no Comey, but I fully expect they’ll tease this out until after the election.

    2. And like Comey, they will indicate there were a number of irregularities but no reasonable prosecutor would seek charges, but if any other foundations try to pull a stunt like this, Johnny Law will be on you like a fly on shit and justice will be swift and sure.

      Also, Fuck Chuck Grassley. That guy has spent most of his career convinced that every mom and pop not-for-profit is either a mob front, a terrorist front, or a scam of the public’s charity dollars, but he’s been remarkably quiet when confronted with actual honest to goodness nonprofit corruption by the Clintons.

  21. Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails – Washington Post

    Oh, they are so hilarious at this point

    its like they asked “how many permutations of “Russia”, “Hack”, and “Trump” are there? And can we run a headline every day focusing on each one for the next week? and how do we need to subtly modify those to then run them for another 2 weeks more?

    Its sort of like the – “Trump considering quitting before taking office” headline, which was how the media decided to transliterate some offhand comment he made.

    here’s what he said =

    “Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said during a news conference at his South Florida resort on Wednesday.

    “They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. It gives me no pause, if they have them, they have them,” Trump added later when asked if his comments were inappropriate. “If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”

    Journalism is serious business.

    1. I have to hand it to Trump if this was on purpose it’s a stroke of genius as it completely takes the DNC convention out of the news cycle while everybody caterwauls about how heinous his position is.

    2. Now, keeping in mind that the true purpose of Trump’s comments was probably to elicit exactly this reaction from the media, which of course they gladly obliged: isn’t the concern with the emails–the entire controversy–based on the fact that these emails supposedly have classified information in them? Isn’t there something slightly off about Trump taking Hillary to task for being careless with classified information while urging a foreign government to publish that same information?

      1. Once a hostile power has the information, it doesn’t much matter if they publish it. In fact, publishing it would destroy much of its value, since then we would know what they had and the damage could be addressed.

        1. So that in fact it really matters if someone publishes them and destroys their value.

      2. Isn’t there something slightly off about Trump taking Hillary to task for being careless with classified information while urging a foreign government to publish that same information?

        If you start demanding there be any rational-consistency in political logic, you are a few steps away from a padded cell and a straight-jacket.

      3. Technically, by her story, there’s no classified information in those 30000 deleted emails. Its all family and personal communications.

        1. Yoga classes and baby showers and shit. That’s why they had to be deleted so nobody could see them.

      4. Isn’t there something slightly off about Trump taking Hillary to task for being careless with classified information while urging a foreign government to publish that same information?

        Its just pointing out that the Russians probably already have it all. Its a nice way to redirect the conversation.

      5. mmmm the point of security classification is to try and keep our secrets, secret. If the Russians/Chinese have then then it’s too late to start concern trolling.

      6. Trump should ask the NSA to release her emails, and point out that if they don’t have them, then doesn’t that mean they missed the biggest breach of US electronic security in years?

  22. We’re working on that now. I have big returns, as you know, and I have everything all approved and very beautiful and we’ll be working that over in the next period of time

    FFS, Suderman, you could just post that quote and let us laugh at it. All this whinging is superfluous.

  23. Just because he can release them during a potential audit doesn’t mean he should. He’ll be publicly scrutinized 10X more than Nixon just for starters. People making hay about the returns might have good reason, but I doubt I they’d vote for him one way or the other. He just just stick to not releasing them. Maybe he should bluff and say “I’ll release my returns when you release your transcripts!” but even that might be too risky.

  24. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMPETY TRUMP TRUMP TRUMPET TRUMP
    This is the Dems week to be roasted you fucking hacks. I despise Trump but this is downright sickening.

    1. ^This

  25. This article comes as a relief to me. It’s been a few days since Suderman shit his pants over Trump, and i was starting to worry he might be having digestive problems

    1. Don’t want the poor fella to have a blockage.

  26. When McArdle thinks about sex, the only thing she can think of is turkey necks and turkey gizzards, and she feels very depressed.

    1. When I think about sex, I only thing I can think about is the beautiful person I am lucky enough to be having sex with.

      1. Your right hand?

        1. Her name is Ms Palmela, silly.

    2. Hey, you leave Megan alone! Her refusal to succumb to Trump Derangement Syndrome, despite living in close quarters with such a severe sufferer, is admirable!

      1. Now that you put it that way, it really is. We always joke that Suderman goes retard to keep his wife happy. Maybe he is the one who is dragging his wife along.

  27. Who isn’t shady in politics, Suderman? Are you suggesting he’s more ‘shady’ than Bill’s wife and Hillary’s husband?

    I mean, come on!

    /blinks three times.

  28. Would-be Reagan assassin John Hinckley Jr. to be freed after 35 years – Washington Post

    ….”Last 12 months has been kept in isolated cell with Trump speeches running 24/7 at high-volume”

    1. lol.

      Prosecutors had objected that twice in Williamsburg in 2011, when Hinckley told doctors he went to a movie, he instead went to a nearby bookstore and a fast-food restaurant. One of those times, a trailing Secret Service agent said that Hinckley briefly stood in front of a section of the bookstore that included several items about Reagan and the shooting.

      Psychiatrist Raymond F. Patterson, testifying for the government during another of Hinckley’s reviews, described what he deemed a troubling “sense of entitlement and a disregard for the rules” in January 2015, when Hinckley again deviated from plans, going with a photographer friend to an acquaintance’s music recording studio instead of to another photographer’s home.

      Hinckley’s therapists called that incident a matter of bad judgment and said he had not exhibited “risk factors” of a relapse, such as depression, isolation, interest in weapons or an ego-boosting distortion of reality.

      He’s going to have a larger secret service detail than Jimmy Carter.

      1. Well to be fair, Carter only kills people indirectly by encouraging financial support to dictators and terrorist groups. Hinkley is more likely to take direct action himself.

      2. What is the concern here? That he might go back and try to finish the job?

    2. While he’s been on the inside, security measures have gotten much tighter and Jodie Foster has come out as a lesbian, so his motivation to return to assassinating is probably somewhat diminished.

      1. Maybe he’ll fall for Selena Gomez and shoot Justin Bieber.

        1. LOL one can dream…

      2. “Hey, did you hear that Hillary is fucking Jodie Foster?”

  29. I don’t fucking care about trumps or anyone else’s tax return. There’s no requirement to release them and even if there is no prohibition on doing so while under examination, that doesn’t mean doing so is wise.

    1. No. Show me every voluntary interaction you’ve ever had and let me spin it to make you look evil. Why are you against transparency?

      1. So cynical! You don’t think they want the returns so they can be reassured that there’s nothing wrong with them and he’s just an average taxpayer?

  30. When that 1099 from Vladimir Putin is made public, Trump’s goose will be cooked.

    COOKED!

    1. And that won’t be the half of it. Word is Putin didn’t pay any FICA or Meidcare taxes on those wages.

  31. The press has been soooo fair to Grumpy Old Trump. Why won’t the_donald release all his financial information for us to pick apart like the carrion-eaters they are?

    1. As has been pointed out, he’s under no obligation to, but that being the case, he probably shouldn’t have promised repeatedly that he would do it and lied about why he supposedly couldn’t.

      1. he probably shouldn’t have promised repeatedly that he would do it and lied about why he supposedly couldn’t.

        Exactly. It is his own doing.

      2. What’s the lie? Is he not being audited? Because if he is no sane lawyer would let their client release their returns while under audit.

        1. I’m no tax attorney but if you see anything deficient in this guy’s analysis I’m of an open mind on the matter:

          http://dailycaller.com/2016/03…..ince-2002/

          1. I’m no tax attorney either, but “examination” v. “audit” seems kind of like a distinction without a difference, considering the power the IRS has to fuck you over. Maybe releasing your returns while under intense “examination” by the IRS is also not smart? Would be good to get a take from an actual, unbiased, tax attorney.

      3. Eh. With how many people think “pleading the fifth” means “GUILTY!!” I actually think Trump did the only right call here.

        Release Taxes: Torn apart by nitpickers with an agenda
        Refuse To Release Taxes: SEE!? He’s clearly hiding something!!
        Bullshit around and promise them at a later date: The fallout we’re seeing now, which comparatively isn’t as much.

        1. If “right” is strictly defined to mean “strategically advantageous to Trump’s campaign” I’d probably agree.

  32. Why would he?

    Are the idiots who nominated him going to change their minds now and not vote for him?

  33. Suderman has apparently decided to throw away whatever integrity and objectivity he had in his quest to out virtue signal his colleagues in opposing Trump. Richard Nixon was a sitting President in 1972. He has been in office for four years. There were also allegations of misconduct while Nixon was in office. Nixon didn’t release his tax returns to the public. He gave them to Congress as part of Congress’ oversight of his conduct while in office. That is in no way analogous to Trump releasing his tax returns to the public before he has ever served a day in public office.

    Suderman’s own facts betray how stupid his argument is. The Congress had to ask Nixon for his tax returns. By 1973, Nixon had already been elected twice. Clearly he had never released his tax returns to the public while running for office or Congress would not have had to request them. So Trump is meeting the standard Nixon set.

    Further, while most candidates have released their returns since the 1970s, several from both parties have not. I don’t recall Suderman saying a word about the others. Further, candidates like John Kerry and John McCain, realized their returns but refused to release the separate returns filed by their wealthy wives. Again, I don’t recall Suderman saying a word about either, even though he was employed at reason at least in 08 and I think in 04 as well.

    1. Suderman, a stunning combination of mendacious and stupid.

    2. Thanks for doing the legwork. Saves me the trouble.

  34. Nicole (peace be upon her worstness) had me convinced for months that Trump wasn’t running a serious campaign. She said he would never release his financials, and after she pointed that out, I could only agree with her.

    And while the serious campaign may still be in question, I’d like to take this moment to say she told us so, on her behalf.

    1. Nicole: Trump Worstperer.

  35. $43 million is a LOT OF EFFEN MONEY.

    Even in Canadian funny money.

  36. Trump should have gone with the correct decision from the beginning and said

    It’s none of your business. I earned my income in the private sector. I didn’t become a rich while getting a government paycheck. I’ll show you my returns after I start to receive a government paycheck.

  37. Would it reveal that he paid no taxes, or that he made very little money?

    Criminently, Suderman. Even your wife’s not this dumb. The WHOLE POINT of tax accounting is to recategorize income, in order to minimize the amount of tax owed. If your accountant isn’t doing that, he needs to be stabbed in the eye with his own mechanical pencil.

  38. Why should absent some credible allegation of misconduct any candidate have to release their returns? If they really are crooks, does Suderman think they will put proof of such on their tax returns? What is the value here other than wishful thinking that there will be something there and voyeuristic pleasure?

    Moreover, last I looked privacy was kind of a big deal. We want people to be able to keep their charitable or political donations private, so that popular causes can’t use public shaming and sanction to silence smaller ones. Given that, I don’t think it is a very good idea to have the rule that says “if you want to run for pubic office all of your tax records and financial dealings will be made public regardless of whether there is any reason to believer you have done something wrong.” And while it may be fun and games to force Trump to do this, that will be the precedent that is set going forward and that doesn’t look like a very good one.

    1. Kerry never released his military record, Barry never released his academic record, probably because he pretended to have been born in Kenya to get favorable treatment. At this point, who gives a fuck what Trump does with his tax records.

      1. Good question. And I think that is exactly what is going on with Obama’s college records. I don’t think he was born in Kenya. It is highly likely, however, he claimed to have been as a way to get into certainly Columbia and probably Harvard as well.

        One of the many things about Obama that has never been fully explained is why he first went to Occidental and then to Columbia. Ivies generally don’t take a lot of transfers. Nearly all of their incoming freshman end up graduating and few transfer out. So there are very few spots available for transfer students. So how is it that Obama got one of those transfer slots but didn’t get one out of high school and ended up at Occidental? What changed? A pretty good guess about what changed was he decided to pretend to be a Kenyan. That would have made him a foreign student and put him in an entirely different pool of applicants.

  39. I think taking a charitable tax deduction of $5 for each pair of used underwear, as the Clinton’s did, is abuse and/or tax evasion. But that’s just me.

    1. Let’s take one step back. Donating your used underwear is gross and tacky.

  40. While I’m at it…what the fuck, Suderman. It’s the DNC, there’s a scandal there, they’ve just nominated an actual criminal, and you’re bitching about Trump. Again.

    We fucking get it, dude. Now consider the idea that you may have tunnel-vision and please seek another topic.

    1. Not only is he spending DNC week bitching about Trump, he is engaging in totally idiotic and petty bitching. Does anyone really give a fuck about this or should they if they don’t? Forget Trump for a moment, think of it this way; if Gary Johnson refused to release his returns, absent a credible reason to believe he had something to hide in them, would any of the Johnson supporters on here think that was a big deal or decide they no longer could vote for him? Hell no and rightly so.

      Yet Suderman wants us to pretend this is a big deal that should affect people’s opinion because TRUMP. It is just embarrassing at this point.

  41. There’s lots of speculation about why, exactly, Trump won’t release the information. Would it show financial connections to Russia? Would it reveal that he paid no taxes, or that he made very little money? Would it suggest that Trump is not nearly as rich as he says he is?

    C’mon, Suderman, that’s utter bullshit and you know it.

    There’s a lot of speculation about why, exactly, Suderman whines about Donald Trump all the time. Does he have a secret gay crush on him? Does Hillary have incriminating photos of him and some gerbils that she’ll release if he speaks ill of the Democrats? Is he collecting money on the side?

    See how easy that is?

  42. More relevant, if far less clickbaity, than Trump’s returns are the Clinton Foundation’s returns. Which, as a tax exempt charity, are a proper subject for public scrutiny.

    (a) Its a charity. Exactly how much have they spent on charity, how, and to what effect?

    (b) What are the expenses that they have paid?

    (c) Who were the donors?

    If there’s a tax story in this year’s election, that should be the one that is getting pursued.

    1. Expect the media to remain extremely incurious about all that.

    2. It’s publicly available on guidestar.org

      1. That’s all nice, but the PR fluff from Donna Shalala falls far short of telling us what they spent on charity, how, and to what effect.

        Again, its the complete lack of curiousity from the media, combined with the remarkable lack of boasting by the Clintons about the good works they have accomplished, that makes me think its still a family slush fund.

        If they really were spending tens of millions a year on good works, and doing so well and effectively, how would that not be a major part of the convention? I mean, massive charitable works in third world countries are just a mother lode of visuals – various Clintons hanging with grinning locals, etc. Where are those?

  43. I didn’t care when Obama didn’t do it, and I still don’t care now that Trump isn’t releasing his tax records. If he committed a crime, then prosecute him. If not, who cares how much money he makes? It’s not like Trump’s wealth is a secret.

  44. What is the Clinton Foundation’s ratio of “good works” spending to administrative expenses? What the fuck does the CF even do?

    What are the officers’ salaries and perks? Who, by the way, ARE the CF’s officers? Who’s on the board, and how are they compensated?

    1. Not a lot. It seems to be an employment agency for Clinton friends and a general purpose slush fund for the Clintons.

      http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/c…..lush-fund/

      1. Admin overhead 85% of their spending.

        1. That’s not true. Admin was about 18% or so of total expenses.

          That being said, a LOT of the “program” expenses appear to be paying large salaries, having lavish offices, having conferences, travel, and a bunch of BS.

          1. Admin was about 18% or so of total expenses.

            When you get into foundation accounting, there are whole new universes of games to play around “grants” and “restricted funds” and the like. Both categories can be used to make it appear as though money has been spent on good works, when in fact it remains in your grubby paws until some indefinite future date.

            The Charity Navigator analysis is damning. I wonder if the Clinton’s have cleaned up the Foundation’ act since then.

  45. Meh. The whole “releasing tax returns” is a tool of career politicians who have had for years, lawyers scrubbing them of anything of value.
    Releasing of typically private information (tax returns, medical reports, college transcripts, etc, etc) during elections is solely designed to keep a check on dark horse and outsider candidates.

    I couldn’t care less what they release. No matter what, we learn nothing.

    1. Personally, I’m partial to the theory (which has, I think, one or maybe two data points in support) that Obama’s college paperwork contains claims that he is a foreign national for purposes of cashing in some affirmative action credits.

      I also distinctly recall that the first scan of his birth certificate that was released was riddled with artifacts and layers that typically only show up in edited Adobe documents.

      Obama does have something to hide. Probably nothing terribly consequential, but its entertaining to speculate.

      1. Ah yes, the Elizabeth Warren Technique.

      2. Personally, I’m partial to the theory (which has, I think, one or maybe two data points in support) that Obama’s college paperwork contains claims that he is a foreign national for purposes of cashing in some affirmative action credits.

        I wouldn’t doubt this, whether such claims are true or not. Lest we forget, the promotional material about Obama, produced by his literary agent back in the early 1990’s, claimed he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia. Obama has never had any shame about making up whatever shit seems personally or politically advantageous for him. If being the first Kenyan-born EiC of the Harvard Law Review helps him get a book deal, sure why not? If claiming to be a foreign national for some AA admissions benefits gets him into Columbia, let’s go! That’s been his m.o. since always.

  46. Some people are apparently scandalized and horrified by the thought that Trump, as President, could have an ongoing involvement with a *gasp!* profit-seeking business enterprise, but are utterly uninterested in the ramifications of having Bill run the CF out of the Oval Office.

    We’re fucked.

    1. I’m so incredulous that people are apparently indifferent to the Foundation that it makes me wonder if maybe I’m losing my mind.

      1. You aren’t losing your mind.

        You are witnessing the vulgar masses in action.

  47. Peter Suderman is clearly suffering from false consciousness.

  48. It is very, very important to me to understand whether a candidate is sending their fair share to the good ol’ fed gov.

  49. Can the Libertarian Party file an injunction against voting for Johnson by these two? Being associated with them even by default is counterproductive.

    1. Ah shit, wrong thread.

  50. This is too hilarious. The Team Blue diehards are squealing at Trump’s request for the Ruskies to released Hilldog’s lost emails. That would be hilarious to see them pop up on Wikileaks in the next month or two. Please let that happen.

  51. Admin overhead 85% of their spending.

    Seems legit. Where do I send my check?

  52. Didn’t the IRS just start an investigation of the Clinton Foundation? Aren’t they under investigation by the FBI also?

    More of the ‘we know Cankles is the crookedest crook ever but maybe Trump might do some bad stuff’ rationale.

    Hang it up Pete. Your credibility is shot.

  53. I think if you’re running for president the public has the right to see all sorts of personal shit about you.

    I think the standard of disclosure shouldn’t be that you are running but rather having held previous public sector positions. Tax returns for public servants should be public information. Might put some motivation to simplifying the tax code.

    1. Making public officials’ tax returns public sounds nice but I don’t think it would work out the way you think. All doing would do is allow the parties to enforce discipline on anyone who supported a cause or charity they didn’t like.

      Imagine working in a Democratic administration and it coming out that you gave money to some pro life organization. That would end your career.

      1. More public sector infighting sounds like a feature not a bug.

  54. Fail

  55. Remember that trump is in a bad spot here too.

    If he loses the election, his brand is damaged.
    If he reports his true income via tax return, we might actually find out how badly he lied about his net worth repeatedly.

    1. Uhh, timbo, you know income and net worth are two completely different things, right? See, e.g., Warren Buffet.

    2. Most of his net worth is rolled into real estate assets so a federal tax return isn’t going to show much of an income, if any. He might also get paid by his company in equity for all I know.

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  59. Why should he? Because “it’s a violations of norms and expectations”!

    Come on! Sounds like a variation of “because that’s the way we’ve always done it”.

  60. That’s rich. The man who bitched and moaned for Obama to release his full birth certificate is now bailing on his promise to release a document of his own credibility.

  61. since this is already practically a presidential tradition -disclosing tax info- if anyone had had the foresight to enshrine it into law when the romney tax issue was debated, then perhaps trump wouldn’t have even run. reason number 1,456,985 that politicians should think beyond 5 minutes from now.

  62. ‘Even Nixon’, wasn’t a Billionaire, so I’m not sure what relevance that has. ‘Even I’.. also filed a return and would be able to release tax returns if running.. but.. I, like Nixon, am not a Billionaire.
    Fact is, I’m a lot closer to modeling ‘Like Nixon” than Trump, OR HILLARY.
    While Hillary shows high taxes paid, those are on incomes declared, and as shown, the Foundation isn’t paying much at all in taxation.
    So what if the Clinton Foundation pulls in 2 Billion, and it has shown to be spent greatly on the Clintons, Family and friends, far more than ‘Charitable’ actions. What does this mean Effectively?
    It means the Clintons are spending just like all Americans spend, on themselves, family.. and friends, but not paying taxation with Foundation monies.

  63. One has to consider that while the Clintons pay’ed 30+ million on what amounts to free money for running their mouths/speeches, when taking the other self interested spending into account, the ‘Rate” they then are paying drops dramatically, well below 5%.
    So the Foundation refiled their “990” form how many times last year? 4-5-6 times?

  64. How many pages are involved with a ‘990’?
    I know there are zero bank transfers listed in a ‘990’, I know the Foundation is based in Canada..
    I know that for the IRS to get those Transfers in and out of the Canadian Bank and other Banks records would require a IRS to actively pursue the records on an international basis, demanding cooperation from other countries Banks, Hence other Countries political leaders.
    Maybe that need, is why so many tax free foundations have sprung up these last 10 years>

  65. maybe that’s why so many ‘Tax Free’ Foundations are not based in Banks in the same Country the person or corporation is in or chartered in!!

    We know Harry Reid directly and Politically in a legal manner lied his @utt off before the Senate and the American people about Romney’s tax situation.. I don’t think given a chance the same thing won’t happen to Trump if he releases his returns. Some individual line or instance would be blown into a drama. While the Clintons float along without threat from the Obama ruled IRS.
    This model is one that no ‘tax free’ Foundation wishes to be examined closely, the ‘apple cart’ is way, WAY… over stacked in this regard of abused tax avoidance… in a corrupted manner..
    he that supports an administration, doesn’t get his ‘Tax Free’ audited for Bank Transfers, because the Audit is a political enabled one at the highest level.

    Might be Trump hiding something? Sure, I might be hiding something in mine, Nixon may have been hiding something in his, but it is beyond belief the Clintons are not hiding things in a Canadian Tax Free foundation that only with the deference of Obama, will it be exposed.
    No matter whether Trump is or is not hiding something, by releasing his tax returns he will be attacked, as certain as the day is long..
    No matter what people want of a complete audit of the Hillary Clintons different Tax Free Foundations.. there isn’t a chance Obama will allow it.

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