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Gun Rights

Sure, Police Can Get Confused Seeing People Open Carrying Weapons in the Midst of a Mass Shooting. That's Not a Good Reason to Rethink the Legality of "Open Carry."

Brian Doherty | 7.12.2016 6:01 PM

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Dallas Police Chief David Brown told reporters yesterday that "it's increasingly challenging when people have AR-15s slung over their shoulder and they're in a crowd," he said. "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

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He's talking about Texas' practice of allowing open carrying of legally owned long guns, even without a specific license, which led to more than one person on the scene, well, openly carrying their legally owned weapons. 

Brown was being hyperbolic, to be sure; even in the crazy situation during Micah Johnson's violent sniper rampage in Dallas last week, there was no actual situation of "everyone starts shooting." As far as I know, the practice of open carrying has never anywhere led to such a dangerous situation.

Still, the sight of openly armed people on a scene when someone is wantonly shooting at police, or anyone, certainly does risk police making a mistake potentially fatal to the open-carrier. (Even though the greatest danger in this case was the police spreading a picture of Mark Hughes, a black man carrying his AR-15, on Twitter as a "suspect" in the event, which he had nothing to do with. They lied to him, he insists, about evidence they had linking him to the shooting when he turned himself in as well.)

Dallas had already been home to a deliberate movement for open carry on the part of black citizens, the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, which Elizabeth Nolan Brown and Zach Weissmueller have both reported on for Reason. The Club was unhappy over 70 Dallas police shootings of citizens over the past 10 years.

The practice of openly carrying a legally owned weapon is legal to some degree (varying in what is required in terms of licenses, or types of gun, and along other dimensions) in 45 states. Even some gun rights activists, including one NRA staffer in a statement the organization took down when it pissed off too many people, frown on the practice. The argument against it is usually along the lines of: open-carrying is too show-offy and potentially alienating to the cause of widening the rights to carry guns in public.  A. Barton Hinkle has argued against the politeness and probity of open carry at this site.

Concealed carry has the extra benefit, some argue, of deterring crime more widely since would-be crooks have no idea who might be carrying. In addition, concealed carrying is less likely to unnerve fellow citizens or police officers.

Historically, though, the NRA openly supported laws against open carry in California in the 1960s, laws inspired by the scare put into the establishment by seeing armed Black Panthers in public.

Should we be that scared of permitted carriers? You can make your own relative judgments of risk, but even when they were trying their best to scare up scary stats, the best the Violence Policy Center could come up with was about 3 times a year that a licensed gun carrier committed a mass shooting, from likely over 12 million such licensed carriers.

The New York Times yesterday tried to build a long "stroking one's chin in deep concern" piece about the alleged second thoughts about open carry that the police's mistakes regarding Mark Hughes should cause us to have.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings told the Times, in their words, that "he supported tightening the state's gun laws to restrict the carrying of rifles and shotguns in public" after the Dallas police shooting.

The Times later notes:

One of the state's most prominent open-carry activists, C. J. Grisham, the founder and president of Open Carry Texas, disputed the extent of the confusion caused by marchers carrying rifles. In videos from the scene, he said, "you can see that police are walking right past people who are open-carrying rifles and it's not a problem. So obviously it's not that difficult to tell who the good guys and the bad guys are."

The Times was not able to come up with any other past circumstance under which there was a clear and obvious danger connected with open carry or a serious risk of confusing a carrier with someone the police really needed to consider shooting. One person open carrying during the Dallas shooting was arrested on a misdemeanor charge, the Times reports, who "was not legally allowed to carry a gun."

When The Atlantic dedicated a long article in January to "Tallying the Costs of Open Carry," those costs were entirely about people's discomfort over seeing them, some slight difficulty in terms of legally keeping open-carriers out of private property in areas where it is legal (that should not be difficult, and if the law makes it so that should change), and businesses forced into the uncomfortable position of having to displease either their customers who want to carry or their customers who don't want to see guns.

Open carrying may in many cases cause social unease of that sort that the polite might want to think about avoiding. If you think there's a strong chance you might wander while open carrying into a mass public shooting in which your carrying puts you at risk of being mistaken for a mass shooter, you might want to personally rethink the practice. (Though it doesn't seem a particularly rational fear, comparatively.)

But this one bizarre outlying situation in Dallas, even given the regrettable aftermath for Mark Hughes (who insists he's still in fear for his life and receiving death threats) caused not so much by him carrying as by the police marking him very publicly as a possible/likely mass cop-killer, is far from sufficient reason to rethink open carry as a matter of public policy.

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Brian Doherty is a senior editor at Reason and author of Ron Paul's Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired (Broadside Books).

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  1. Ted S.   9 years ago

    So-called "polite society" still says it's OK to find open carriers icky.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Especially if they are black. That's about the only thing that could get the GOP to turn on the 2nd Amendment.

      1. C. S. P. Schofield   9 years ago

        Maybe, MAYBE the Republican establishment - the bunch that seldom get out of Washington. The automatic assumption "all Republicans are slavering racists" is a) old and b) pretty much entirely a construct of the Progressive/Liberal Left (which DOES have more than its fair share of slavering racists, starting with Al "photographic negative of a Grand Dragon" Sharpton.

      2. ULOST   9 years ago

        CMW says, "Especially if they are black. That's about the only thing that could get the GOP to turn on the 2nd Amendment."

        Er, no. Wrong party numb nuts. So easy to see which side of the political spectrum you originate from with ignorant comments like that. Did you forget this was Reason and not HuffPo.

      3. LarryA   9 years ago

        That's about the only thing that could get the GOP to turn on the 2nd Amendment.

        I won't speak for "the GOP," but I do know a bunch of gun owners. They see it as a good thing.

        In fact, what the MSM is pointedly not even hinting at is the impact of black males open-carrying, the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, surging Pink Pistol membership, increase in women buying first guns, 10% of Texas school districts with teacher carry, and in two weeks the implementation of Texas college campus carry legislation.

        The gun control folks are hyperventilating because they're watching their "programme" circle the drain.

      4. DaveSs   9 years ago

        One of the most common laments about how Illinois arranged its CCW law was that the people that need it the most would be mostly unable to get one.

        That is, poor blacks and hispanics in Chicago would be the least likely to be able to afford the $150 application fee, and the 16 hour 'training' that was mandated. Carrying on CTA and Metra was forbidden so those same folks who often don't have private vehicles were basically locked out of traveling the city while carrying.

        Adding insult to injury, the Cook Sheriff and CPD demanded that they be allowed time to object to any person. Needless to say they were scraping the bottom of the barrel to find reasons to object. Simply having an arrest for any charge...trespassing, protesting (ie disorderly conduct), whatever, even if it was dismissed was enough to gain an objection from those two departments. Fighting the objection took more time and money that poor people don't have.

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      1. Mark6   9 years ago

        Was that on her back or on her knees?

        1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

          Why not both?

  2. Pathogen   9 years ago

    More collective pant-shitting from our illustrious Heroes on Blue?.
    They shoot first, and discourage any questions, so.. what difference, at this point.. does it make?

    1. ULOST   9 years ago

      The police are there to protect our rights until they are not because their monopoly on power is reduced or it gets too difficult like free speech zones. They are probably most afraid of an on scene jury with immediate power to react.

  3. True Scottsman   9 years ago

    Arm everyone, way cheaper and easier than confiscating, plus, even the Luddites can't bitch about it.

  4. Zunalter   9 years ago

    Seems to me the onus should be on the officers for not being able to tell a "good guy" from a "bad guy" not the citizen exercising their rights.

    1. DOOMco   9 years ago

      Don't be silly.

    2. ULOST   9 years ago

      Are you trying to make an already impossibly difficult job even more impossible. Sarc off

  5. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

    Conversely, we don't know who the cop is versus the bad cop when we get pulled over.

    1. Zunalter   9 years ago

      The good cop is the one whose nightstick smells like dried blood, the bad cop is the one whose nightstick smells like lube.

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        Ummm.... you might have that backwards. NTTATWWT.

      2. ULOST   9 years ago

        What if the cops's plunger smells like both?

    2. Microaggressor   9 years ago

      There is no good cop?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

        Not one who's pulled me over.

        1. DenverJ   9 years ago

          I'm pretty anti cop, but I do have to state that the police have helped me before when I've had car problems. Usually, sheriff's and Staties are the most helpful, but even Lakewood PD helped me push my car into a parking a lot and then gave me and my beer a ride home.

    3. R C Dean   9 years ago

      "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

      Perhaps observing the behavior of someone could give a clue?

      Are they (a) shooting? at (b) us? might be a starting point, no?

      1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        Something seems to be missing from your mental flow chart, Dean...ah - Furtive movements!

        #BlueLivesMatterMore

    4. Dennis (n?e GILMORE?)   9 years ago

      (puts Fist on secret watch-list)

      1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        +1 Lucky Astrology Mood Watch

  6. Microaggressor   9 years ago

    those costs were entirely about people's discomfort over seeing them

    If it saves just one pair of underwear...

    1. Zunalter   9 years ago

      #brownpantsmatter

  7. Brochettaward   9 years ago

    I remember being in Iraq and having to walk around Iraqi militia with AK's. Or having a bunch of Ugandans running around with them and willing to point them at you if you defied their order to wear a PT belt. Americans were not trusted to walk around with loaded weapons on our FOB. No one bitched about it. The standard to shoot was positive identification. Confirmation the target was a threat. And the fact that they were armed wasn't good enough. We even had more strident escalation of force measures.

    The cops had zero confusion because of this guy with his AR-15 during the shooting. In the aftermath they somehow got a hold of the picture and focused their early efforts on finding him. But there was zero element of confusion caused by it during the shooting. So fuck them. My rights can't be curtailed because you can't handle your job. And frankly it's a disgrace that one guy was able do as much damage as he did to them. An Army pogue - not some super warrior. These are not highly trained professionals.

    Then we have leaders like this sack of shit who can't give a simple fucking speech without mentioning himself dozens of times or politicizing it.

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      this guy with his AR-15

      I thought it was an SKS?

      1. R C Dean   9 years ago

        Sorry, the actual shooter had an SKS. The subject exercising his temporary privilege to go armed had the AR. Carry on.

        1. SIV   9 years ago

          Now it's a Saiga IZ-240 in 5.45x39mm

          1. SIV   9 years ago

            Which is the "import legal" sporting version of a semi-auto AK-74 type rifle.

    2. True Scottsman   9 years ago

      I call bullshit. Every soldier bitches about wearing PT belts. 🙂

      1. DenverJ   9 years ago

        Holy shit. I just googled the pt belt. Certainly didn't have em back in the day. I thought military doctrine had decided, back around the end of the 18th century, that making your troops highly visible, and your officers even more visible, was no longer sound?

        1. Brochettaward   9 years ago

          It's for use during physical training, but they force you to wear them around at night on base. And in the field.

        2. Wasteland Wanderer   9 years ago

          Holy shit. I just googled the pt belt.

          Would.

      2. Agammamon   9 years ago

        Fucking PT belts. Navy doesn't (didn't at least as of 2012) - mainly because our PT uniform is a canary yellow shirt with reflective lettering.

        I got bitched at at my last duty station (MC air base) because I was PTing before 0800 (0730!) in a bright yellow shirt but didn't have the *Marine* required reflective PT belt

    3. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      Well said.

    4. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

      Society as a large, the media, and politicians have managed to turn a group of people who are supposed to be doing a job, namely 'serve and protect' into heroes, made them unaccountable to those who they are supposed to serve, and now have given them privilege to play army guy. Only a moron couldn't figure out that this is a recipe for disaster.

    5. G?C   9 years ago

      (Civilian here, but spent time in both Iraq and Afghanistan)

      I was on a small FOB in Baghdad for a few days, and during the initial briefing they warned us to spend as little time as possible on the main thoroughfare through the base at night due to the snipers that had a pretty unobstructed view of the whole thing. That same night I had a butter bar yelling at me because I wasn't wearing the reflective belt after sundown. I just laughed at him.

      My last trip to Afghanistan was interesting though. EVERYONE (save me - my agency wouldn't authorize it) was armed. I actually saw a woman who looked like my 70 year old aunt wearing an embroidered shoulder holster...

  8. Brochettaward   9 years ago

    My distaste for cops is also staying strong. Cleveland Browns player tweets pick cops don't like. Cleveland police union rep threatens to remove security from Browns stadium unless he goes "to Dallas, help[s] the families who lost their loved ones last week, write[s] them a check, look[s] them in the eyes and give[s] a heartfelt apology."

    How about as soon as a police union apologizes for one of their own brutalizing a citizen or wrongly shooting one of them. How about that, you cunts.

    Best part:
    "You're a grown-ass man, and you claim you were too emotional to know it was wrong? Think we'll accept your apology? Kiss my ass."

    You're a grown-ass man getting emotional about a tweet from a football player and using profanity in public statements. Fuck off.

    1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

      Idle threat anyway, no way in hell the Cleveland cops would give up their overtime pay to watch football, even if it's shitty football.

      1. Pathogen   9 years ago

        no way in hell the Cleveland cops would give up their overtime pay to watch football, politicians would risk their football team walking off to another city, leaving them holding the bag on the stadium... even if it's shitty football.

        ftfy

        1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

          I agree, but the threat was made by someone who imagined he possessed a certain amount of authority over subordinates, (which he almost certainly didn't have) his delusions don't appear to even consider that this isn't his call to make.

    2. Ted S.   9 years ago

      Don't read the comments.

      1. darius404   9 years ago

        Too late *shudder*.

      2. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

        I disagree. This one comment is GOLD!!

        "A candid and clear statement from Mr. Loomis. Good for him. We are so lost in what is politically correct that idiots feel they have permission to post as Crowell did and the past Miss Alabama calling the Dallas shooter a 'martyr.' Meanwhile those who are being slandered and disprespected aren't supposed to speak up for fear of upsetting people?"

        "Because our nation is too PC, people are able to post things that I find OFFENSIVE!! They need to be stopped!!"

        The funny thing is that the right is pretty much just as PC as the left, just instead of getting offended on behalf of minorities they take offense on behalf of police, soldiers, and the entire country.

    3. Juice   9 years ago

      It blows my mind that cops (public "servants") can pick and choose what part of their job they can do or not.

      1. Juvenile Bluster   9 years ago

        Do you want them to go home safely from football games or not?

        1. DenverJ   9 years ago

          If my answer is "no", do I get arrested?

      2. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        blows my mind that cops (public "servants") can pick and choose what part of their job they can do or not.

        Juice,

        Last year a buddy of mine told me that during a discussion he had with a police officer friend whom he knew quite well, the policeman stated how unappreciative civilians were of him and his peers, and that among some of the police officers in the city there had been several suggestions of a "Blue Flu", which meant that those police officers participating would call out sick for several days in order to provide the civilians an example of what would happen to them if the police were not there to protect them.

        I am glad that this type of choice "blows your mind".

        1. Brochettaward   9 years ago

          They've already done this to a limited extent in certain cities. The NYPD basically did a work slowdown and, this may shock people, but no one gave a shit. People were probably happier than they weren't being harassed over trivial bullshit.

          1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

            I asked my buddy if he was aware of the NYPD's actions which you mention, Brochettaward, and if so whether or not he had pointed out the results to his friend. He said that his friend was already agitated and that mentioning it would only alienate him/them.

        2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

          And that's supposed to scare people, why? When do cops ever protect people? They'll show up after you're already dead, and if you're still alive when the get there, it's more likely they'll shoot you or your family, or your pets, or all 3, than protect you.

        3. JayWye   9 years ago

          police are not "there to protect me" anyways. Courts have ruled they have no liability if they fail to protect any individual. Police are there for AFTER-incident cleanup and report writing,and for tax collection.(ticket writing)

          "when seconds count,police are minutes away."

      3. LarryA   9 years ago

        Providing ballpark security isn't part of officers' "job," it's moonlighting. The promoters hire off-duty cops as "security" and pay them handsomely. A lot of stores and other special events do the same.

        Therefore individual officers have no obligation to accept the extra part-time work.

        Funny example: The Texas concealed carry law went into effect in 1996. The San Antonio Sea World had a panic attack, posted big "OMGNoGunz" signs, and started wanding people. Including off-duty cops for the first week.

        "OMG their gun might fly loose when they're on the roller coaster!"

        Bexar County Sheriff sent them a letter saying deputies would no longer accept security jobs, and if Sea World detained a shoplifter or whatever, their security could bring him downtown instead of calling BCSO for a pickup.

        The next week the policy changed, allowing LEO carry. The weekend after that was suddenly "Law Enforcement Appreciation Weekend."

    4. Lee Genes   9 years ago

      Cleveland's police union is notoriously hardline. They rabidly defended that panicky fuckstick who shot Tamir Rice.

  9. Bra Ket   9 years ago

    "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

    I guess the old method of differentiating them by the color of their hat wouldn't go over so well in this context.

    1. LarryA   9 years ago

      Even back in the day there was Hopalong Cassidy.
      http://www.hopalong.com/home.asp

  10. mad.casual   9 years ago

    Brown was being hyperbolic, to be sure; even in the crazy situation during Micah Johnson's violent sniper rampage in Dallas last week, there was no actual situation of "everyone starts shooting." As far as I know, the practice of open carrying has never anywhere led to such a dangerous situation.

    I beg to differ. Every couple of years a dozen officers, all of whom carry their guns openly on their hips, will discharge a volley of 100+ rounds into suspects (armed and unarmed), surrounding pedestrians and property and, occasionally, even each other.

    1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

      +1 circular firing squad

    2. commoditous   9 years ago

      THAT'S DIFFERENT. They have the training to properly panic fire.

    3. Ted S.   9 years ago

      +1 Waco

  11. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

    "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

    To be fair, you don't seem to know the difference when they're not shooting either.

    1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

      Perhaps we should wear uniforms.

      1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        Would you consider kilts?

        1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

          I have commissioned Gilmore to design them.

          1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

            I look forward to his suggestions, and will remind him that he should remain cognizant of the ladies in this regard.

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              I'm going extra short for the ladies. They're in for a real treat if it's windy.

              1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

                Nobody wants to see your droopy hemorrhoids.

                1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

                  Kilts will be the default uniform for enlisted, pantsuits for officers, and bagpipes for all! (If you know what I mean)

                  1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

                    Kilts will be the default uniform for enlisted, pantsuits for officers, and bagpipes for all! (If you know what I mean)

                    There will be plaid?

              2. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

                Stamina, Playa, stamina: always go long for the ladies.

                1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                  Oh, I know how to think about baseball.

                  1. Ted S.   9 years ago

                    I don't think about baseball.

                    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                      You think about women?

  12. commoditous   9 years ago

    Since when has the left needed a *good* reason for anything they say or do? Terrible reasons and sometimes no reason whatsoever are their stock in trade.

  13. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

    I own guns but I have to say that open carry is a bunch of bullshit. Nobody needs to carry a rifle or handgun into a public place. Leave that shit in your car or at your house or get a licence for concealed carry. If a guy walked down the street with his dick hanging out or a woman had her tits hanging out, you can be sure they'd be breaking the law and arrested quickly (equivalent of open carry) but somehow it's perfectly legal to walk down the street with an exposed assault rifle with a crowd of people. Fucking stupid.

    1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

      You're right, that is stupid. Time to get rid of the laws banning public nudity.

      1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

        Yeah, what kind of psychopath would want to ban tits?

      2. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

        So you want to see a bunch of dudes walking down your street swinging their sacks in your kids face? Nice.

    2. Juvenile Bluster   9 years ago

      NOBODY NEEDS 27 TYPES OF GUNS WHEN A REVOLVER WILL SUFFICE!

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        NOBODY NEEDS 27 TYPES OF TITS, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF OPEN CARRY

        1. commoditous   9 years ago

          Introducing Eccentrica Gallumbits and her six identical sisters...

          1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

            Pics or it didn't happen.

          2. commoditous   9 years ago

            Er... eight sisters.

            This is why you stay in school, kids.

    3. Cdr Lytton   9 years ago

      How's the weather there on Planet Stalin? Back here on Earth, in my section of it anyway, it's not a crime to be completely buck naked (as long as you don't do it for sexual gratification) or open carry. Or open carry while buck naked.

      1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

        What if you open carry for sexual gratification?

        1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

          oh and,... asking for a friend.

        2. Cdr Lytton   9 years ago

          Same thing with the other two situations. Cops will arrest you anyways and claim you were doing it for sexual gratification or disturbing the peace. Despite both being legal actions.

      2. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

        So where do you live (in the USA) that you can bust out your flying squirrel in public and not get arrested?

    4. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      "Leave that shit in your car or at your house or get a licence for concealed carry."

      Hi. I live in California.

    5. True Scottsman   9 years ago

      Tits are deadly. I mean think about an erect nipple just poking out your eye. What if she "aimed" them at you? Would you be justified in aiming your "Daringer" at her? Who ought the cops shoot 1st? Absent any active lactation, of course.

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        Shoot the lactating ones first since they're useless to me.

        1. True Scottsman   9 years ago

          I just knew you hated Gaia.

    6. SIV   9 years ago

      Smells like a big ol' steamin' pile of TULPA

    7. np   9 years ago

      Is that you Tulpa?

    8. Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!   9 years ago

      a woman had her tits hanging out,

      One word: topfreedom.

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        That might mean something different to Jesse.

    9. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      a woman had her tits hanging out, you can be sure they'd be breaking the law and arrested quickly

      Not in New York City. In fact, NYC is the exact opposite as you describe, perfectly legal for a woman to walk around topless but illegal for a woman to openly carry a firearm.

      Any more bullshit metaphors you want to lay on us?

      1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

        ...so you can walk around NYC with your dick hanging out? Didn't think so.

        1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

          Also you completely missed the metaphor. The metaphor was that a gun is a cock and nobody likes one shoved in your face unless you are prepared for it. I added tits just to throw you a bone.....that was bad.

          1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

            Nice attempt at re-writing history.

          2. Pompey (91% LOLLOLZ)   9 years ago

            Incoherent drivel.

          3. ULOST   9 years ago

            There you go again, Mcgoo
            "a gun is a cock and nobody likes one shoved in your face." Now, are you a midget or do you walk around on your knees? You may want to dial back the come-hither look too.

            And if you were more accurate in your analogies you would know that a cock is akin to a sword and that is why "vagina" is defined as a sheath in Latin. Don't let me stop your emoting cause you are on a roll....off a cliff.

    10. This Machine   9 years ago

      If a guy walked down the street with his dick hanging out or a woman had her tits hanging out, you can be sure they'd be breaking the law and arrested quickly (equivalent of open carry) but somehow it's perfectly legal to walk down the street with an exposed assault rifle with a crowd of people. Fucking stupid.

      RRRRRRRRETARD.

    11. JayWye   9 years ago

      guns get stolen out of cars frequently. Even police have their guns stolen from their patrol cars.

      and try to carry concealed when it's 90+ out and you're wearing shorts and a T-shirt. it's a PITA.

      1. Ted S.   9 years ago

        Stick it down the waistband. :-p

        1. DenverJ   9 years ago

          I just hide it behind my ginormous... belly.

    12. Pompey (91% LOLLOLZ)   9 years ago

      Slaver, fuck off.

      1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

        I now consider myself fucked off.

    13. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

      Why are COPS allowed to open carry??

      They aren't allowed to walk around with their dicks hanging out, so why do they get to shove their guns in our faces??

      IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING!!

      Every cop I've ever seen has sexually assaulted me with their gun visibly holstered to their waist!!

      1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

        IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME THING. At least a police officer has gone through some sort of process to give the public some sort of re-assurance that he's NOT A FUCKING PSYCHOPATH. Not to say that he's not a psythopath, but probably not. Some dipshit like you carrying a fucking AK down the street scares the fuck out of me.

        1. ace_m82   9 years ago

          At least a police officer has gone through some sort of process to give the public some sort of re-assurance that he's NOT A FUCKING PSYCHOPATH.

          It doesn't appear to be working. Who accidentally shoots the wrong person more often, open carriers who are police or open carriers who aren't? (Even taking into account the amount of right people they shoot, this statistic is quite scary.)

        2. ULOST   9 years ago

          Mcgoo says, "...AK down the street scares the fuck out of me." So you are a pants shitter so afraid of his fellow man and so easily deceived in to thinking he is safe because he does not see a gun. Tell your wife to go a little harder on you with the strap on. You need it.

    14. ace_m82   9 years ago

      You own guns, but you call that an "assault rifle"? Either you're lying or an idiot, please choose one.

    15. ULOST   9 years ago

      Women can walk about with their tits hanging out. If your dick is not erect (leave your pill in the car) that is okay too in some places. Get with the times. Yeah, that gun is so helpful when it is in one's car. What other rights do you demand I get a license for before exercising according to you, fuck face

  14. The Late P Brooks   9 years ago

    even in the crazy situation during Micah Johnson's violent sniper rampage in Dallas last week, there was no actual situation of "everyone starts shooting."

    It's surprising there apparently were no collateral damage victims. I seem to recall at least one incident in which a plainclothes cop was shot (killed?) by a uniformed officer in "confusing" circumstances.

  15. A frilly pink thing   9 years ago

    "it's increasingly challenging when people have AR-15s slung over their shoulder and they're in a crowd," he said. "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting."

    Let me help you out officer.

    If they have the rifle slung over their shoulder, they probably aren't shooting it.

    Probably.

  16. The Late P Brooks   9 years ago

    "Umm, which end of the weapon do you see?"

  17. SIV   9 years ago

    Historically, though, the NRA openly supported laws against open carry in California in the 1960s, laws inspired by the scare put into the establishment by seeing armed Black Panthers in public.

    The NRA wasn't really a political organization until the mid 1970s. They were more representing the wishes of American firearms manufacturers in the late '60s. The grass roots/hardliners took over the org, stopped compromising and by 1991 they were firmly in the corner of the membership.

    1. LarryA   9 years ago

      ^This.

      + back in the 1960s we thought the gun control folks just wanted to keep guns away from criminals, and once reasonable gun laws were in place they would go home.

      Then we learned better. They got the Gun Control Act of 1968 passed, and before the signature was dry they were on the front steps of the Capital holding a press conference saying, "This is a good first step. Now we have the gun owners on the run. Now we can take all their guns away."

      "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

  18. commoditous   9 years ago

    I keep reading conservative authors comparing Obama's waffling when it comes to recent shooters to his full-throated condemnation of Dylan Root's bigotry made manifest by his grisly murders. How, the line goes, can Obama be so myopic when it comes to Muslim bigotry when he very clearly and articulately saw Root for what he is? The answer is clear, of course: he doesn't want to draw any comparison. He's politically invested in the fates of Muslims and blacks in a way he wasn't in that pimply loser. Or so the line goes. I think it's deeper than that.

    Yes, Obama is a political hack who lies through his teeth to advance his agenda, because he's a politician and, worse, a progressive, and lies in the service of the progressive cause are merely secret truths. But it's not because Obama is ideologically blinkered or blithely dishonest that he can't recognize the similarities. It's because there does in fact exist a material difference between the atavistic racism of some poor white idiot and the flagrant, purposeful racism of Muslim terrorists and black race-agitators. Even to the latter two racism, with the word's (relatively) innocuous overtones of bitter, benighted, backward bellyachers, is to miss the existential rupture posed by Muslim clashes with the West, or the nascent racial revolution fomenting under the auspices of the #BLM movement.

    1. commoditous   9 years ago

      No, this is not runamill racism. Dylan Root was symptomatic of exactly one person, Dylan Root, and to call him a racist is putting the tail correctly on the ass's ass. But Orlando and Dallas are symptoms of a virulent illness. Obama is correct to act aloof: he probably suspects, but could never possibly admit, what he's helped unleash.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        That's an awful lot of words - and thinking - wasted to call Obama a piece of shit.

        1. commoditous   9 years ago

          I never have a problem meeting the word count.

          1. DenverJ   9 years ago

            Dude, I should introduce you to Agile Cyborg

      2. JayWye   9 years ago

        Comrade Obama knows exactly what he's unleashed. it was totally intentional.

    2. commoditous   9 years ago

      Even to call the latter two racism,

      1. SIV   9 years ago

        Roof! Roof!

        1. CZmacure   9 years ago

          RU-FI-O.

  19. jdgalt   9 years ago

    Even where open carry is legal, it's a very stupid idea. All it accomplishes is to needlessly scare the public, resulting in more gun control laws. It's like walking around with your penis showing. Everyone who is doing it, please stop.

    1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

      Even where speaking freely is legal, it's a very stupid idea. All it accomplishes is to needlessly scare the public, resulting in more speech laws. It's like walking around with your asshole showing. Everyone who is doing it, please stop.

      1. DOOMco   9 years ago

        Beautiful.

      2. Arizona_Guy   9 years ago

        Even where gay prides parades are legal, it's a very stupid idea. All it accomplishes is to needlessly scare the heterosexuals, resulting in more anti-sodomy laws. It's like walking around with your scrotum showing. Everyone who is doing it, please stop.

        1. Arizona_Guy   9 years ago

          Oops, I said the same thing as Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper downthread.

    2. commoditous   9 years ago

      Fuck you. With all the heat I pack, sometimes it needs a breather.

    3. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

      Can't you just go to your safe space where there's nothing scary? And stay there.

      1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        Trolling can be an unhealthy outlet for some, and for a very few it is almost all they look forward to.

        Completely unrelated, Hyp: I am not nearly through with my reading with regards to the topic under discussion last week. I will be visiting friends in Virginia next week and understand that there is an established research center there. I hope to arrange a visit through their "laypersons" liaison and schedule any type of meeting convenient with a sufficiently agreeable person well versed in physics. Do you have any specific (or even general questions) you would like me to ask of him/her?

        Obviously, I need to understand a great deal more, yet I am hopeful that I can meet with a person who will appreciate a layperson's interest and, moreover, want to convey his or her own accumulated knowledge, albeit in a "suitable for audiences of average intelligence" type of manner.

        1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

          I remember you said you come to Williamsburg to visit on occasion. Is that your destination this time?

          1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

            And if it's JLab, I can probably help with a visit.

            1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

              Thank you, Lee.

              You have a good memory. I took your suggestion on the restaurant the last time I was in Williamsburg, Virginia, and the buddy I mentioned upthread was much more impressed than I was, and in my opinion he is not easily impressed.

              However, I must maintain my obscurity on the internet for reasons of general prudence, as should we all. Even should "JLab" be my choice for learning more about physics, I wouldn't want anyone's help.

              Regardless... Hampton City has many restaurants. Some of the friends I want to see again very much enjoy Thai and Indian recipes/foods. There are many of the former listed and very few of the latter. Do you (or anyone else) have recommendations?

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                Crying Tiger Steak

                1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

                  HM,

                  Have you attempted that?

                  1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                    Me? No. My wife is a trained Thai chef. I leave such things in her competent hands.

                    1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

                      Is the recipe to which you provided a link one of her recommendations or is it one of your own?

                      There also remains my selfish question with regards to "vested" Thai and especially Indian restaurants in or relatively near Hampton, Virginia.

                    2. Gray Ghost   9 years ago

                      Thanks for the recipes, HM. I had never heard of toasted rice powder before---though I'm sure I've tried it in any of the Thai dishes and just never knew it was there---but I'm looking forward to trying it in my next attempts at Thai food.

                      For the steak, since it already calls for a chimney of coals, would cooking on top of the chimney, a la Alton Brown's seared tuna recipe, be a good idea? I've not tried it with his other innovation of adding a hair dryer blowing air into the bottom of the chimney. Or is the point not to have an ultra-quick sear with a semi-raw interior?

                      C.E., I don't have any questions for you and your physics guru, but I'm interested in hearing what you eventually find out.

                      FWIW, not a fan of O.C. unless it's something like hunting, or hiking in the great outdoors etc... I find that either downsizing to something like any of the micro 9s/380s, and/or going to a holster like a Remora, works well for carrying a handgun in shorts/T-shirt conditions. (Link is to Faila Photography's review of the holster. She's informative and easy on the eyes.)

              2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                Mutton Biryani

        2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

          Thanks, I can't think of any questions right off the bat. As I said, I'm not a physicist, I just have a fascination with some of these theories from a layperson's perspective. I really wish I could understand the math behind some of it, but I'm not even close, sigh. Have fun!

          1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

            I find much of it fascinating as well, Hyp, and I've also found that some of it resonates with my childhood mentality, in the regard that everything we perceive is not the same as everything that is reality. In different words, there is more in reality, Charles, than has been revealed by the science of your times.

            For Frith's sake, Hyp, the notion of Dark Energy and Dark Matter was formulated by a man named Zwicky.

            Zwicky was the man's name.

            If you think of anything please let me know.

            1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

              I still think the ultimate question is 'why is there anything at all'. I've been obsessed with that since a kid.

              1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

                why is there anything at all

                I shall ask it.

                However, Hyp, it is likely that one or a few individuals will be on hand to answer any questions I might ask, and the answers may differ.

    4. straffinrun   9 years ago

      "All it accomplishes..."

      Not being able to conceive others reasons, he believes his list is exhaustive.

    5. Ken Shultz   9 years ago

      Stupid religions are stupid, too.

      Riding a motorcycle without a helmet is stupid.

      Drinking 32 oz. soft drinks on a daily basis is stupid.

      Smoking marijuana or drinking alcohol can make you act stupid.

      Saying stupid things is stupid.

      Do you think people should stop doing all of these things just to appease the stupid authoritarians?

      A couple months back, I was in Vegas, and I walked into a Chipotle. There was a gangbanger in line ahead of me--all in red. He was open carrying a Glock on his belt. Three cops off duty came in for lunch behind me, and the craziest thing happened: absolutely nothing. The gangbanger ordered his food; the cops ordered their food. They ate. They left. That was it.

      Later that week, I saw an old cowboy in a grocery store open carrying. Big handlebar mustache and a cowboy hat. He had a beautifully engraved 1911 on his belt--slung low. Chromed, shiny as all get out. Hundreds of other grocery shoppers milling around him.

      Again, nothing happened. It was almost as though freedom is more acceptable to average strangers than you might imagine. Just because the media presents certain things a certain way doesn't mean that's the way average people react to them.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        Tell this story to a European.

        Watch them squirm.

      2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        "A couple months back, I was in Vegas, and I walked into a Chipotle. "

        That's exactly what I picture you doing in Vegas.

        1. Ken Shultz   9 years ago

          There are only so many places I can eat that don't use soy.

          Yeah, I seek out Chipotle. It's one of the few places where I can eat.

          1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

            Does the prime rib buffet have soy?

            1. Ted S.   9 years ago

              I have it on good authority the distilled water is soy-free.

              (It should be gluten-free, too.)

        2. Ken Shultz   9 years ago

          AND I LOVE IT.

          1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

            Now you're just lying.

            Food allergies is an OK excuse. Loving it? That's just not believable.

            1. darius404   9 years ago

              Psh. I bet you don't think deep dish is real pizza either.

              1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                I love casserole, and I call it by its proper name.

      3. commoditous   9 years ago

        Where is this Lake Wobegon where men all open carry, women don't make a fuss about it, and children are all above average marksmen?

        1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

          Garrison?

        2. Wasteland Wanderer   9 years ago

          Not California?

      4. Pompey (91% LOLLOLZ)   9 years ago

        Man, that's a really great anecdote.

      5. ULOST   9 years ago

        "A couple months back, I was in Vegas, and I walked into a Chipotle. "
        Chipotle? That is obviously a demographic that does not scare easily. How many holsters with Pepto Bismol?

    6. A frilly pink thing   9 years ago

      Fuck off slaver.

    7. Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper   9 years ago

      ...or maybe the more people are exposed to things that they find scary or strange the more able they are to understand them and handle them more effectively in the future.

      1. DOOMco   9 years ago

        Nope. We're all 6. Veggies are the devil, and so help me if you even try to slowly push spinach into my diet.

    8. Pompey (91% LOLLOLZ)   9 years ago

      Hey what do you have against junk-flashing? You a homophobe???

  20. Ken Shultz   9 years ago

    Yeah, people shouldn't be allowed to do things that might scare people or say things that might make people feel bad.

    1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

      I find people with tattoos to be scary. Also, black people, really scary. Can we just ban those groups from the public?

      1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

        And fatties, let us not forget fatties.

        1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

          Asian-Black, retarded, tattooed, Muslim, albino, women fatties who speak Provencale.

          Who needs them amirite?

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          I like to keep 1 or 2 fatties around in case of a Donner Party situation.

          1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

            For warmth?

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              I suppose you could extract some whale oil for heat, so I'm gonna say yes.

          2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

            I knew there was a reason why I was considering letting Triggly Puff into my bunker.

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              Feed her acorns. Triggly Puff Iberico.

  21. Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper   9 years ago

    Let's try something:

    "Look, gays, here's the thing. Yes, it's legal for you to marry, and, yes, it's legal for you to do things like kiss or hug or hold hands in public. But, you see, context matters. If you're in a gay bar or LA or somewhere and you see two people of the same sex hold hands or kiss or something, it doesn't strike you as odd. But, if you're in, say, east Texas, or a retirement home, or near a Catholic church it could really offend or even scare people. So all we're saying is just show some discretion. Don't be so, you know, openly gay around people who don't like gay people. It's just a question of respecting their feelings. They'll come around eventually as long as they aren't reminded of, you know, gay things."

    1. Homple   9 years ago

      Makes sense to me. If you're looking for public approval of your hobbies, it's best to avoid displaying in public those aspects of your hobbies that annoy people or alarm them.

      1. Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper   9 years ago

        Yeah, makes total sense. People will eventually respect your legally-guaranteed rights as long as you never actually exercise them. Good plan.

        1. Homple   9 years ago

          Keep rubbing peoples' noses in stuff they don't like and you do. They will love you for it eventually.

    2. DOOMco   9 years ago

      That's totally different, for some reason I haven't been told yet.

    3. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

      If the power of two gay dudes kissing in public could potentially KILL me than I don't think it's unreasonable to have a law that requires them to do that shit in the privacy of their own homes. Get it?

      1. kbolino   9 years ago

        And who's going to enforce the law? A bunch of people with guns. Openly. In public.

        1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

          Yes, a bunch of people that have been trained to properly use a gun and enforce the laws, as is done is civil society. Not a bunch of dipshit vigilantes.

  22. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

    Okay smart-alecs. Explain this:

    http://www.foxsports.com/nba/s.....sed-071216

    1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

      Most of the competitive cube solvers determine their moves before they start the puzzle. Now if he were blindfolded and then given a cube to solve, that would be a little freaky.

      1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

        The blindfold part would make zero difference, it's based on a formula of turns in different directions. The colors don't matter. No matter where it starts out, you can solve it with the correct formula.

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      A large portion of his brain is dedicated to that task, and he'll never live a normal life.

      Does that explanation satisfy you?

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        No. I need. Want. Crave. More.

    3. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

      There's a formula for doing it, you wouldn't need to see the cube, so that would make no difference.

      For instance, it goes something like

      hold the cube in hand

      rotate top row counterclockwise 2 times, rotate left row down 1 time, rotate middle row clockwise 2 turns, etc, etc.

      I memorized the formula back when this thing first came out and could do it in 3 minutes or less. But 6 seconds? Sounds impossible to me.

      1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

        I'm thinking it took around 75 moves to do it the way I was doing it. I still can't see how he could do this. He must have come up with the ultimate move.

        1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

          So if I hand you a solved cube and you do these 75 moves it will be backed to solved but if I hand you a fucked up cube and you do these 75 moves it won't be back to the fucked up way I handed it to you it will instead be solved? Not buying it.

          1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

            Yes, it doesn't matter what you do with the cube, what position it is in. Once you have your formula memorized, it can be solved in the exact same number of moves, every time. The only thing then is how fast your fingers can move without messing up. The kids seems to have very fast fingers also, so that helps. Good monocle polisher there, no doubt.

            1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

              I'm still not getting it, if a solved cube ends up solved after these moves how can a messed up cube not end up in the same messed up position after the same moves. maybe I'm missing something but I don't believe there is anything inherent about the solved position, the cube doesn't 'know' when it's all in order. Like a deck of cards doesn't 'know' when it's in order, you can't (without some cheat) take any mixed up deck and do the same x number of moves and put it back in order.

              1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                Dude, go to Youtube. Search for 'Rubik's cube formula blindfolded'. I can't explain the math to you of how it works, it just works. Back when this thing first came out, there was a 14 year old Japanese kid who figured out how to do it and the formula got posted in a a magazine. Me and some of my friends memorized it just to freak people out by doing it. It was fun for a while. We would hand the cube to someone and they would fuck with it for as long as they wanted The results are always the exact same no matter how fucked up the cube is.

                1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                  If you're interested in the math, here you go.

                  1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                    Thanks, HM.

                2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                  Watch the guy here. He does it several times. As you can clearly see, he's using a memorized formula, he can't see the cube, and he knows exactly when it's solved without seeing it, because it always comes on the exact same number of moves! I've done this thousands of time, I was just never any way near that fast.

                  Blind Rubik's solve

                  1. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

                    And he studies the mixed up cube for 8 sec before he pulls down the blindfold and starts, I'm not saying that it's impossible to solve a cube blindfolded, certainly you can memorize some things and then use a system which changes based on the starting position. I am saying that there is not one universal formula of exactly the same moves that will solve any cube. I did google solve Rubik's cube blindfolded and every site mentioned some form of 'mapping' the starting cube.

                    1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                      There are different methods. Consider that the way we did it, it's pretty much impossible to do it that fast. Under 3 minutes was really good. I think the fastest time I ever saw anyone do it was still over 2 minutes. The way he's doing it, it obviously takes some knowledge of the original position of the cube, but he still does it completely blindfolded and knows the exact number of moves it's going to take. He was also doing it in like 20 seconds. I'm sure it can be done regardless of knowledge of starting cube position, but the formula is obviously much longer. I'm sure you'll find this if you just search it online some more. It's not impossible to do it without looking at the cube at all, I've seen it done too many times.

                      Read this, it might help:

                      No eyes

                      It's simple: we use algorithms that affect only a few pieces and leave the rest of the cube completely unchanged. Commutators, special permutation and orientation algorithms, things like that. We don't even bother memorizing what the cube looks like; we encode it into a series of simple swaps they need to execute to put pieces back in the right place

                    2. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

                      All right, if what you are saying is possible then this should be a cakewalk, I place two coins on the table, what exact series of moves can you use to leave them both heads up. no looking at the coins and you don't get to stop if you happen to get it right, I want the exact formula i.e. - flip coin one twice, then flip coin two, then flip coin one again... etc-. that will leave both coin heads up every time no matter how I first set them, and again no looking. two coins, two possible values, should be child's play.

                    3. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                      Ok, you win. It's not possible.

                    4. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                      Sounds like a "heap game" like Nim or Tower of Hanoi. From the standpoint of mathematics, both of those games are "solved", I don't see why your game wouldn't be either.

                    5. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

                      From what I remember of NIM it's a progression thing, where once you get to a certain value you can't lose, the tower thing looks like learning a system, but in each you must KNOW the value/position of the playing pieces at some point. NIM doesn't work if you don't know the value of the count, the tower thing wouldn't work if the disc started in a different order..

                    6. A frilly pink thing   9 years ago

                      "Ok, you win. It's not possible."

                      The way you've described it?

                      No it isn't.

                      Hyperbole is right, there is no universal formula.

                      There are algoritihms, however, that when properly applied, can solve any cube.

                      However, if you throw all of the algoritihms at an unsolved cube without examining it, you're wasting a ton of time and moves.

                    7. DaveSs   9 years ago

                      @A frilly pink thing
                      I second this.
                      The way he describes it is impossible. There is no one single magic algorithm that will solve any cube from any unsolved state. You always must at least look at it first.

                      In any case, the video he linked of a blindfolded solve clearly shows the guy studying the cube for about 8 seconds before he proceeds to begin solving. Why take the time to study if if there is one magic algorithm that will solve it from any state. If such a thing really existed, then I would already be a speed cuber.

                    8. LarryA   9 years ago

                      Except that the coins aren't connected to each other the way the layers of the cube are.

                      With two coins there are four possible answers, depending on the original position:
                      1. Right and left coins heads, 0 moves.
                      2. Right heads, left tails, 1 move, flip left coin.
                      3. Right tails, left heads, 1 move, flip right coin.
                      4. Right and left coins tails, 2 moves, flip both coins.

                      With the cube, however, each move changes the relationship of every segment.

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          Do you by any chance have trouble making eye contact?

          1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

            What?

          2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

            There's only hundreds of videos on youtube showing how to solve a cube blind folded. Back when we did it, we didn't call it blind folded. It's a damn formula, you don't need to even look at the fucking cube!

            1. darius404   9 years ago

              Do you find you talk for long stretches of time about a hobby of yours without noticing that people are getting bored?

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                Christ, no! This is HnR. Don't you remember Sloopy the Inca occupying 90 percent of a thread having a discussion with himself over the minutiae of college football? I've stored a few of those as a text file on my Kindle for when I have problems falling asleep.

                1. darius404   9 years ago

                  So what you're saying is we're all diagnosable.

                  1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                    It's a hazard of the Internet.

              2. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

                Then don't read it and continue on down thread? Obviously some people are interested or they wouldn't still be posted about it. Run along now, skippy.

      2. Raven Nation   9 years ago

        4.9 seconds:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Y25igVNaY

        1. Hyp's Brexit Butthurt Lotion   9 years ago

          I guess there's been some advancements in the moves since 1980, lol. But yeah, it's all based on rotating the rows a certain number of turns in different directions and various cube flips in different directions. He's still doing it that exact same way. So he could do it blindfolded just as fast.

      3. DaveSs   9 years ago

        There is no formula to solve a cube w/o knowing where each piece is, and its orientation at the start.
        You absolutely do need to have a look at the cube first.

        What is going on here is either
        a) Its faked and the kid has memorized a single scramble and is undoing that scramble.

        b) The kid memorizes the position and orientation of all 20 movable pieces of the cube and is able to keep track of where each turn moves each piece. A surprising number of people are capable of this.

        What really blows my mind are the people who will take multiple scrambled cubes (usually around 10, but I've seen many more than that), study them and then blindfold solve all of them.

        The way you do it fast (< 30 seconds) is either by learning many algorithms, or by using intuitive methods (Petrus method for example, but it does use a few algorithms to OLL and PLL) Around one minute averages are my best using a basic layer method and only six algorithms (and their mirror versions) which is about as good as can be expected with only knowing so few. You also end up with an atrocious move count. Well over 100 usually, mostly due to the last layer. While it would be nice to do it faster, at the end of the day, just being able to solve it at all, even if it takes 1-2 minutes makes people think you are some kind genius. Bring out a higher order cube (4x4x4, 5x5x5, and so on), megaminx, or a ghost cube and you might cause their heads to explode.

  23. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

    They don't seem to be confused about the people in blue costumes open-carrying, so the answer is clearly for everyone legally carrying a weapon to get a blue costume.

  24. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    Oh, fuckin look, the law and order boys and girls are gittin' anti-Murica squirrely. Not fuckin surprised- their FOP team is, in fact, a goddamn international brotherhood of socialists. PJmedia and their goddamn mental midget ceo and law'n ordah team must be shitting solid Jesus bars 'bout now. FUCKING morons.

    1. commoditous   9 years ago

      AC! Missed you love you, guy.

      1. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

        Asian spaceships swerving with hot Asian pussy flown into the house of commoditous... sorry bout the house, bro. Asian sweetness attack!

  25. SugarFree   9 years ago

    I assume the fatuous open carry / public nudity analogy is the new talking points issued to the gun-grabbing trolls.

    1. Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper   9 years ago

      Seems like it. Just because something's legal doesn't mean you should, like, actually do it!

    2. Lee Genes   9 years ago

      The Naked Gun 4: Nakeder and Gunnier

    3. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

      Let's try another one. You have the right to take a shit. Perhaps you might like to exercise this right in public, so should there be no laws about people taking shits in the middle of the street? I don't think people should go to jail for it, but for fucks sake man, don't shit in the street. The second amendment doesn't give people the right to wave guns around in public. It's almost a form of entitlement....."I'm entitled to carry a gun wherever the fuck I want whenever I want." Bullshit.

      1. kbolino   9 years ago

        the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

        1. The ghOst of mcgOo   9 years ago

          That's fine. You can walk around all fucking day on your property with your gun and shoot your house or your car.

      2. ULOST   9 years ago

        Well, we know we can count on you to conceal your shitting in your pants; however, I am not so sure you won't be waving it around. You seem a bit skittish and prone to changing your argument...."waving guns around in public."

        Entitlement
        A government program that guarantees and provides benefits to a particular group: "fights . . . to preserve victories won a generation ago, like the Medicaid entitlement for the poor"

        Natural Right
        Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable.

        Learn the difference.

  26. commoditous   9 years ago

    I'm sitting down the bar from two extremely nerdy men and their nerdy Asian girlfriend and thinking... you three are one morbidly obese po-faced friend from being the middle-age version of Steve and his crew from American Dad.

  27. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    Cops sign up to be international guild and almost fucking nothing is writ about this process. Fact is, unions are useful in a minor way if your family works for one but fucking super goddamn awful in a major way called international tool of the socialist movement that very few fucking writers of the free world actually understand... mainly because the fucking one world order is considered a goddamned trait of conspiratorialists and shit... however... its viper tongue infects everything and all the channels and realities they like to project on the weak.

    The order existed way before us and will exist way after... Guilds are the key.

  28. DenverJ   9 years ago

    If you think there's a strong chance you might wander while open carrying into a mass public shooting in which your carrying puts you at risk of being mistaken for a mass shooter, you might want to personally rethink the practice. (Though it doesn't seem a particularly rational fear, comparatively.)

    Isn't that precisely the time you would want a gun? Is it more reasonable to bring your gun to a church social or to a political rally that has a realistic chance of being attacked by either those that disagree with you or by the police?
    Unless you're just doing open carry for social signaling and precisely to make the other side feel uncomfortable, which is indeed, just rude.

    1. DOOMco   9 years ago

      Don't let logic infect your mind, DenverJ.

  29. prolefeed   9 years ago

    The argument against it is usually along the lines of: open-carrying is too show-offy and potentially alienating to the cause of widening the rights to carry guns in public.

    Soo ... you shouldn't open carry when it is legal to do so, because that will hurt the ability to get even more open carry rights recognized ... because openly carrying will scare people who are afraid of guns and who already want to confiscate all non-government weapons, much less expand existing gun rights that are recognized.

    Fuck that "logic".

  30. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    I'm officially on Team Bernie.

    1. Lee Genes   9 years ago

      This is something I can't get behind

      1. lap83   9 years ago

        I caught wind of what you did there

        1. commoditous   9 years ago

          Give him a break.

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Fart in?

      I'm available on a contract basis.

      1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

        This must be why Ken has been eating a lot of Chipotle.

        1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          That would also be an acceptable excuse.

    3. darius404   9 years ago

      Remember, this is the level that people deciding on a major party candidate are at: protest farting. These people are the chosen representatives for helping decide the head of the executive branch of the United States. When people wonder why you don't think money in politics is the biggest issue, when they wonder why you say we're all fucked, bring this up to illustrate your points.

  31. Jerryskids   9 years ago

    Kinda OT, following a link to a link to a link led me here.

    Shit don't change much in the criminal justice system.

    1. Ted S.   9 years ago

      Wow.

      I still miss Balko, too.

  32. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    The fallen angels in the valleys of marbled corruption
    don't give a goddamn fuck about the risen living powers
    that prance across the lamb hostels in the form of headlines...
    gigantic humans matter as much as Newton's nose fingerings...
    a swift glitch can switch change ups that even cost a total generation
    memories but i guess motherfuckers out there don't like this
    sort of random goddamn bullshit. neither do i. so may as well check out for once
    and stop playing the attention game that leads to minor eruptions
    in the character fields.
    Fuck digital connection.
    it is weak and empty
    and simplistic and distracts
    the engaged from finding their
    pianos in their minds!

  33. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    As I understand it the cops didn't shoot any of the open carry people and none of them shot any cops or bystanders...correct?

    1. Pompey (91% LOLLOLZ)   9 years ago

      Stop, gunz are scary mmkay??

  34. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    fuck the binary ethers
    numbered clouds are swift and unrelenting
    swarming mists like clicking rivers
    fuck being here
    my fingers suck like
    jaded spaces and aliveness trapped
    in the captured visions of moments
    centered on the clicks of existence wanderers.
    fuck being here
    fuck me for being here
    i will find new cosmos not found in the interuniverse

  35. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    fuck the binary ethers
    numbered clouds are swift and unrelenting
    swarming mists like clicking rivers
    fuck being here
    my fingers suck like
    jaded spaces and aliveness trapped
    in the captured visions of moments
    centered on the clicks of existence wanderers.
    fuck being here
    fuck me for being here
    i will find new cosmos not found in the interuniverse

  36. josh   9 years ago

    just shoot where everybody else is shooting. if the shooting doesn't stop, try again. the important hing to keep in mind is you're police...you get a pass/medal, or at worst a paid vacation, no matter who you shoot.

    1. josh   9 years ago

      *thing!

      "hing" might be a thing, but it's not the "thing" i meant. my apologies.

  37. crufus   9 years ago

    We should start by making it illegal for police to openly carry firearms.

  38. Julien Couvreur   9 years ago

    I'd like to offer a parallel to this line of reasoning by the police.
    We know that digital communication devices and encryption can be used by terrorists, hackers and criminals in general. We know that the police and various government agencies find it confusing to have good guys and bad guys using encryption.
    But we don't conclude that encryption should be banned. To the contrary, we recognize that civilians and their use encryption should be protected.

  39. Mark6   9 years ago

    "We don't know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting." Who besides the bad guy and the police were shooting?

  40. Mogrith   9 years ago

    Since Cell phones have confused police in the past we should also outlaw them as well. Also since holding a thumb and finger like a gun can get you shot maybe we can have a digit turn in by the police. they remove thumbs and fingers and they give you a gift card.

    Makes as much sense.

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