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Socialist Venezuela Facing Food Shortages 'Despite' Central Planning, Food Rights

Self-induced catastrophe

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MIGUEL GUTIERREZ/EFE/Newscom

Mass hunger in Venezuela has led to riots, with police arresting a number of people for looting, vandalism, and allegedly organizing the protests. And earlier today, a gunman stormed the Central Bank headquarters in Caracas, reportedly looking for board members and injuring two security officers before being shot and killed.

Venezuela has faced countless shortages created by its centrally-planned economy, and plummeting oil prices have left the government unable to paper over its structural economic problems with more spending. "Between the brutal collapse in goods imports to pay Venezuela's bond debt and the endless hurdles to private sector food production," Caracas Chronicles' Frank Muci explained, "there just aren't enough of the right calories to go around."

Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela became an example for Western leftists of a "progressive alternative to neo-liberalism is both possible and popular." Rather than pointing to actually-existing socialist states like Venezuela, the democratic socialist in the 2016 presidential race, Vermont Independent-turned-Democrat Sen. Bernie Sanders, preferred to point to countries like Sweden, which haven't been socialist standard-bearers in a long time. Were Sanders serious about making the U.S. more like Sweden he'd have to, for example, embrace free trade and trade liberalization. Had Venezuela's government moved away from socialism after Chavez the way Sweden did after the 1970s, it may have spared the country much of the self-imposed economic hardship it faces now.

Asked about food shortages in Sandanista-controlled Nicaragua, of which he was a fan in the 1980s, Sanders argued at the time that bread lines were a "good thing" because it meant people didn't starve. For leftists who believe words are magical and that the right combination of the right words as law can on their own counteract economic and other realities, the mass hunger in Venezuela might be puzzling. After all, in Venezuela food is a right. The slow-motion catastrophe that has been Venezuela under chavismo illustrates the dangerous misconceptions embedded in the idea of socialism itself.

Socialism considers agents of the state forces of good, who will, because of their benevolent nature, assure an allocation of resources that is "just" and avoids the imposed scarcity of capitalism. But the opposite is true—scarcity has been the norm in the world history, with free markets pulling an unprecedented number of people out of poverty in the last fifty years. Free market capitalism "solved" the scarcity problem by incentivizing innovators to create solutions. Malthusians predicted mass starvation and population decline in the early part of the 20th century. The green revolution in bio-engineered food prevented that. Today, leftists complain about genetically-modified organisms even as GMOS have helped not just feed people who would otherwise be starving, but provided opportunities for employment. Europe's ban on GMOs, for example, hurts African farmers trying to export their crops the most.

Government officials in Venezuela, so long as have the military apparatus on their side, will be able to extract enough resources to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle even as their country spirals further into the abyss. Short of armed revolution, there's little incentive for them to try to improve the situation. Not so for the capitalist, whose ability to eat and enjoy any kind of lifestyle is conditioned on his ability to sell food, or other products, to people who want and need them.

For example, despite the anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda and despite the systemic and persistent shortages, Coca-Cola, which can now longer produce the soda in Venezuela due to a lack of sugar, insists it's not leaving the country. Meanwhile, the Venezuelan government sentenced Leopoldo Lopez, the leader of the major opposition party, to 14 years in prison for violence that occurred at a protest rally. An appeals hearing scheduled for today was postponed, apparently because one of the judges said he felt sick and couldn't come in.

Venezuela remains a resource-rich country with an educated population and a vibrant diaspora, ingredients that make an economic recovery possible. But it will require abandoning the socialist model of central planning in favor of the liberalization that turned third world countries in Eastern Europe, East Asia, and elsewhere into economic powerhouses whose residents enjoy a higher standard of living than most of the world ever has before. Where government and central planners were responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century, free markets were responsible for some of the century's greatest accomplishments. It's not too late for Venezuela.

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148 responses to “Socialist Venezuela Facing Food Shortages 'Despite' Central Planning, Food Rights

  1. Wait… central planning leads to starvation and misery?

    No way!

    1. Maybe if we try it one more time!

      1. This time we’ll call it super-democratic, extremely smart socialism.

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    3. Wait… central planning leads to starvation and misery?

      How could it be? It’s never ever happened before!

  2. RE: Socialist Venezuela Facing Food Shortages ‘Despite’ Central Planning, Food Rights
    Self-induced catastrophe

    This is obviously anti-socialist propaganda intended to persuade the weak minded into believing socialism doesn’t work.
    Socialism is the epitome of reason, love, caring and efficiency.
    Just ask anyone living in Cuba, North Korea or the Soviet Union.
    They know just how wonderful it is to live in a socialist paradise.

    1. I thought No. Korea was (((Juche))).

    2. Not only do they all know how cool it is, but the stupid people who can’t figure it out go to camp where they will not be able to corrupt the smart ones who figured it out.

      It really is a kind, loving, giving system since everyone likes to go to camp.

  3. The only surprise here is that, 20 years after the fall of the USSR, this is a surprise to anyone.

    It’s like being shocked when the local Nazi party takes power and starts looking askance at menorahs.

    1. I think part of the problem is that the Soviet Union has fallen. That’s in the past, not the present, they didn’t do it right/have the right people in charge/whatever. People forget or want to forget what used to be known.

      1. Only nine million people voted for the idiot Senator from Vermont and his “revolution”.

        NOW LETS BUILD THAT BORDER WALL!

        1. We know you would support a wall to keep people in.

          (sorry for feeding the troll)

      2. The Berlin Wall came down in 89 and USSR broke up in 91. People under 35 have no firsthand memory of the ills of socialism. They think Venezuela is an aberration, not an archetype.

        1. I’m under 35 years old. Venezuela is an aberration not an archetype. If the rest of the world would establish socialist regimes with the right people setting the correct example we could reduce human suffering to nothing! I am also lazy and I don’t like to work.

          1. You should go to dictator school then. They need a few good men.

    2. But you don’t understaaaaand. *stamps foot in a tantrum*

      True socialism’s never been tried.

      I feel icky even joking about that.

      1. To socialism is never been tried because she socialism is a contradiction selfless want to own the means of production, while at the same time, don’t want to own people, because that’s slavery. In reality, the contradicted resolves itself by collapsing into slavery: the government owns the means of production and owns the population.

        But, it’s never real socialism because socialism is self-contradictory: it can’t exist. So, it allows socialists to try it over and over again, expecting a different result from slavery, and putting on their shocked face every time slavery comes out.

        1. Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I love you, Tomorrow,
          You’re only Day 0 Away.

    3. I’m looking forward to seeing Maduro strung up like Mussolini. It’s too bad Chavez isn’t still around to see the catastrophe.

      1. It’s too bad Chavez isn’t still around to see the catastrophe.

        What! They cremated him instead of embalming him?

        I’m waiting for Lenin to get the Mussolini meat hook treatment.

      2. It’s too bad Chavez isn’t still around to see the catastrophe.

        Apres moi, le deluge!

  4. Were Sanders serious about making the U.S. more like Sweden he’d have to, for example, embrace free trade and trade liberalization.

    He and Trump have done more damage to free trade than anyone since Smoot-Hawley.

    The TPP is done and ready to be approved by Congress but now both sides have idiot demagogues lying about FTAs.

    1. Blah, Blah, Blah

      1. For once, the Buttplug is 100% correct.

        Fuck Trump and all his ass-licking syncophants.

        1. Monkeys. Typewriters. Hamlet.

          It’s still blah, blah, blah.

    2. Bernie has been complicit in raising the country’s $19 tn debt, but I’ll bet he pays his own debts.

      1. Of course he does.

        And he never released a full tax return. He wants socialist bread lines for all the non-elected peasants. Democrats in Congress despise him.

        And he is so delusional he still think the superdelegates are going to change their vote to him at the convention.

        1. Your frustration at trying to scrape off that bumper sticker is showing.

          1. Which one? The Bernie sticker, or the Chavismo sticker?

            1. I keep forgetting.

              If one is not a TEAM RED! Trumptard he must be a Chavista socialist.

              1. That’s some catastrophic thinking, PB…

              2. years of confusion still have not cracked the nut there butt. No one here likes the republicans.

                We understand that all politicians are scumbag criminals. We understand how to count to 3.

                You can do it if you try PB.

        2. The superdelegates might, after the FBI reveals their vote on Hillary.

          1. I have wondered, Papaya SF, if this relates to one of the reasons Senator Sanders has not “suspended” his presidential campaign.

            1. I have no doubt that’s one of the factors.

    3. The TPP is an awful piece of shit. It’s one good point, free(r) trade, could be accomplished unilaterally by Congress. Everything else about it sucks, especially forcing US copyright crap on to everyone else.

      1. Bullshit. Congress can’t eliminate tariffs imposed by other countries on US made goods. It takes two sides to do that.

        And other countries should not steal our IP.

        Is that you, Abbie Hoffman?

        1. You are so economically illiterate, it is scary. Unilaterally eliminating import tariffs works a treat REGARDLESS of what tariffs are thrown on your exports.

          Here’s a simple thought for a simple shitstain: we buy imports with dollars, or think of it as foreigners elling exports for dollars. What do they do with those dollars, burn them? No, they are only useful if used in turn to buy our exports. If they raise the tariffs on our exports, all they’ve done is made it harder to use up the dollars they got from our imports, meaning they will not be able to sell us as much.

          There is no trade deficit, period. Dollars out have to equal dollars in, unless foreigners are just burning dollars. The commonly reported trade deficit is cooked by not counting incoming dollars used to invest in US companies or used to buy services or other things, simply because idiots like you want some figure to show foreigners are evil.

          1. God I’ve been waiting for you to open your yap on that subject. You have shown your idiocy and stupidity many many times, and it feels really really good to shove your incompetence back in your face.

            Buttfuck off, illiterate incompetent shit stopper. You probably leak like diarrhea.

          2. You’re not Abbie Hoffman. You’re Dick ‘Deficits don’t matter’ Cheney.

            1. QUACK QUACK QUACK the question.

              Brings new meaning to the phrase “dipshit”.

            2. Are you really dumb enough to conflate budget deficits with trade deficits? What is your supposed line of work again?

              1. No wonder Playa wiped the floor with this dumbass.

                1. I’m just a simple man.

                  So yeah. I won.

              2. Trade deficits do matter when beneficiary countries stockpile US debt that accrues interest. China owns over $1 trillion in US Treasuries.

                Right now, with low interest rates, not so much. But you must not be a taxpayer to belittle our massive debt.

                1. What are you going on about that has anything to do with dollars in == dollars out?

                  Next you’ll report that your strawman isn’t made of straw, but alfalfa, the most significant miracle in the history of the world.

                  1. You threw the strawman up. I never mentioned trade deficits. We do benefit substantially from exports though.

                    If trade deficits didn’t matter why not run $10 trillion annual trade deficits? That is where currency debasement comes in. That is what Russia 1992 did.

                    Right now we have a strong US Dollar policy so that scenario won’t occur.

                    1. A. You brought up tariffs and how no country could unilaterally reduce import tariffs.

                      B. I just explained to you that “trade deficit” is a figment of overheated brains settup up strawmen. Here you go yammering about them again.

                      You are sofa king stupid.

  5. Say what you want about the Venezuelan government, but they are Spanish speaking and a minority in the United States–so they must be able to teach us something important. If only more of us would listen and stop fixating on the negative through our own greedy American eyes, maybe we could hear what they’re really saying besides just, “I’m hungry” or “I haven’t eaten in two days”.

    1. …or “The shortage of toilet paper isn’t really a problem when there’s a shortage of food.”

      1. I like that. I’m going to use that as an example of how two problems can solve each other.

      2. Socialism wins again! Is there any problem it can’t solve?

  6. Seriously, how is this going to end?

    1. Maduro takes the money he’s stolen and retires to some other third world shithole country. General (fill in the blank) steps in to stabilize the country and gets a bit excessive. Rinse, wash, repeat seemingly forever.

      1. I’m reminded of the Cary Grant movie Crisis.

          1. Shit, I SFed the link. (It was going to be to my blog, anyway.)

    2. This will end well.
      You must have faith in socialist ideals.
      I predict mass incarcerations, famine, oppression, the employment of terror by The State and subsequent violence.
      Only a true socialist state can produce such wonderful results.

      1. Beatings will intensify until morale improves!

    3. For all the anarchist asshats on here that think “burning it all down” and “the end can’t come fast enough,” I give you this. This is what a burning house looks like. It isn’t fun.

      1. I don’t know. It’s kind of fun to watch all the Chavez butt-lickers squirm.

      2. It seems to me that a quick furious burning down will destroy a lot less than a drawn out low intensity burning down.

    4. “Seriously, how is this going to end?

      Eventually the army steps in.

      I’m sure Chavez purged the army of anyone who might oppose him, but there’s somebody somewhere that will step up–if only as an opportunist.

      1. Getting rid of Maduro might only result in a colonel replacing Maduro and the army feeding off the diminishing supply of goodies.

        There is much bad yet to happen,

        1. Oh, it’s going to be ugly, but coups can be wildly popular–like the one in Egypt when the army stepped in to throw out the Muslim Brotherhood.

          But that’s pretty much the only way I see this ending. Even if there were massive demonstrations against the government, that would probably just prompt the army to act.

          The army promises to hold free elections at some future date, and then they work on intimidating, persecuting, and killing all the parties they don’t like.

          It’s worked that way and followed that script more or less since before the Gracchi Brothers, so that’s my bet.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracchi

          1. Whoever pulls off the coup had better figure out damn quickly how to get the economy functioning again and keep order. That means letting markets work, and I hope that is understood on day 1 of the overthrow.

  7. Can I get a RA-men for Ed’s Alt-Text?

  8. *If Only Anyone Would Have Predicted This*

    / Blames Capitalists

  9. Hello! Snaps finger.

    Bigger problems here.

    Back home in the real, rich, white capitalist world, I’m thoroughly annoyed with my neighbor. He’s taken to cutting his grass once a week now. I don’t want to be annoyed because he’s a great guy but that sound…

    1. Not sure if retarded or Canadian

      1. Oh, so now you’re allowed mock me? What if I was having a bad hair day?

        Not that it’s possible but WHAT IF?

        Have you no care for my feelings?

        Not that I have much of it but WHAT IF?

    2. In Quebec, the mower engines have to have French accents.

      1. You’re gonna love this: On a prominent university campus it’s forbidden to speak English among students. And here’s the kicker. THEY SUBMIT! I told my friends they’re retarded. Lemme tell ya, at the table that left a nervous posturing. They just shrug and accept.

        1. The non-Francophone minority in Quebec is, of course, a distinct society.

        2. Just add an “eh” at the end and they’ll be speaking Canadian, not English.

  10. Fuck bellybutton angst which seems to be the goddamn modern scourge of this enteringweb caustic swamp of billions. Bellybutton angst is found rarely here but often enough to cause this bitch a bit of pause. Socialism can fucking work as well as goddamn capitalism. It is the FUCKING government part of socialism and capitalism which makes the monopolists of running ideas super fucking wealthy at the legislated expense of the vast. Fuck your super favorite political team bullshit. What makes all shitty things viable OUTSIDE of my lovely sweet mental mistress Ayn Rand”s living conjectures is GOVERNMENT!!! Motherfucker, government is the earth’s most potent nasty shitty ether. Way more fucking nasty than gravity, even.

    HOWEVER, PEOPLE who are EMPLOYED by government by the thousand fucking thousands automagically belong to a religious guild of separation not unlike people who sign up to all the various super famous religious. Government is a cult far more than an actionable usable and efficient force for much of anything except goddamn wasting fucking tons of dollar bills. Most of your cities are filled with tire punching negative holes on the streets with iron smiling ass hack politicos eating out with playwrights and artists which will be photographed by the editor of said all spaces newspapers and accompanying online ringing rang rags designed to jerk about citizen noses like carrots swinging in front of NASA rockets.

    1. I love you, Agile Cyborg.

  11. It is the cavalries of those governing fools of muslims, christians, seculars, communists, progressives, atheists, and goddamn fucking assholes of which the preceding are all the ruinous same that end the deeds of the winged lovers of liberty.

    Freedom is killed just as quickly by the axe as it is the pen.

    1. Hey, AC! Always glad to see your handle.

      I’m stealing your last line, although I may switch it up a little.

      1. Oddly sparking tubes on ancient mystical song boards- the always super fucking RC.

  12. Resource rich and educated population as the basis for a recovery, I get that.

    A diaspora? Meaning, a shitload of Venezuelans who have fled? How does that help with a recovery?

    1. The rich can flee, super sound man. My wife manages 200 million dollars. Her number one gripe with fucking with the often dumb rich who are often children of the smart dead rich is… they can ALWAYS afford to flee. Fuck with their goddamn bucks and jetliner tickets roll.

    2. Money going in and the potential for a return of human capital that’s leveled up.

      1. Makes sense to me.

        Especially in regards to the oil industry. Venezuela always votes for bringing the OPEC quota down because their brain drain and infrastructure is so pathetic, they’re one of the few countries that are incapable of producing their quota.

        http://tinyurl.com/z9kr7c6

        Given that and the crashing price of oil, Venezuela might be one of the few places in the world where petroleum engineers should be in high demand. They’re almost the only place where the cap on oil production isn’t just market limited. It’s limited by the engineering necessary being insufficient to produce the quantities the market demands.

        I’m sure plenty of Venezuelans who worked in the oil industry and left when prices were high would love to come back.

  13. Government is the name we use when we starve 99% of the population together. Lean forward… maybe you’ll see something barely edible out of your window.

    1. Government is the name we use when we starve 99% of the population together.

      Oh, that’s good!

  14. Doesn’t matter if the wealthy are sound or corrupt- they can all flee on the same jets. Because corrupt money merges beautifully with sound money. If you don’t believe this you are naive as fuck.

  15. They will soon be the NK of South America – “Venezuela just launched a test missile from a ship and experts debate whether the range extends to Miami.” The only question is whether it will be Russia or China that will back them (by providing ’emergency’ loans to ease the crisis).

  16. But I was assured by NPR that this has everything to do with low oil. “Economic mismanagement” is totally secondary.

    1. NPR is either lying or willfully blind.

    2. In fairness, when you’re swimming in money, you can party like it’s 1999 all you want.

      1. Trust fund offspring are generally the most hellacious shits born. Outside of ISIS followers and prohibitionists.

        1. Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think 🙂

          1. well, I just did, trust fund baby. However, peace on the dropped gardens but let’s roll the constellations some long vines, love. Right? yeah, baby.

            1. Chavez’ daughter is the richest person in Venezuela. Worth 4.4 billion.

        2. That’s why the saying is “Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three.” ? the first generation builds wealth, the second generation maintains wealth, and the third generation spends wealth.

    3. So why aren’t the Norwegians starving? I don’t think their exports of lutefisk and brunost are picking up the slack.

      1. Oil exports.

        Sweden’s industry depends upon military sales.

    4. Socialism can only be sustained by an endless supply of outside money. Surprise!

  17. Venezuela is the modern catchment for disastrous organizational meltdown, brother. But if you throw some binoculars across the sun and ocean-painted plateaus on this rotund rock you will discover a multitude of fucking goddamn catchments for the mentally-deficient governing bullshit that is, in fact, infecting the entirety of the global community of citizens.

    In this modern age of Harvards and Berkleys and fuck who knows-all… fucking thousands of motherfuckers are being churned out to basically destroy the only living orbital spaceship for humanity. BECAUSE OF MODERN GODDAMN HIGHER EDUCATION… which is replete with fucking scary nasty creature poltergeists professor swerving minds in the classrooms of those planning on ruling.

    been better off just not fucking making babies and staying apes… I FUCKING swear

  18. The only difference between Venezuela and most of Latin America is the degree of socialism. But it’s the main reason most the countries there are poor.

    Look at Mexico. It should be rich as California

    1. Mexico isn’t poor. It’s the people that are. This is how government and ‘capitalism’ and ‘progressives’ work together. Alongside really fucking radical interpretations of insidious interpretations of what the goddamn fuck happens when all the preceding connects far too fucking closely with organized killer armies.

    2. It’s the development diamond. The sine qua non of having your country go from poverty to wealth is non-predatory government. Unfortunately, that’s something that Latin America has always lacked.

  19. The only question I have is how anyone can look at this and not just be sick to their stomach. You have people, literally, starving, rioting so that they can feed themselves just another day. And you still have American leftists making excuses for this bullshit. How the fuck can you defend a state that’s collapsed into starvation and repression and still look at yourself in the mirror?

    1. Becuase it is their faith. Socialism is a religion to them. No matter how many times it’s shown to fail, they still believe because feelings.

      1. They blame it entirely on cheap oil and Amerika.

        1. Don’t forget The Oligarchs.

    2. You see yourself as one of the top men. They still have food and toilet paper. New cars. Fancy office and penthouse suite.

    3. Give it time Billy Boyo. The super fucking rich right wing is waiting for the super fucking rich left wing to get back on its feet so they can ink a new deal. Hang tight, love. New days comin’. Super fucking gaming of the entire populations by the political hunters on the horizon.

    4. Because they’re intellectually deficient, emotionally stunted, morally bankrupt and transparently disingenuous.

      The day I see shitheads like Michael Moore and Sean Penn actually move to the places they so praise, is the day I’ll respect their views on the matter. Until then, they cowardly practice socialism or communism from the free, safe, and prosperous bosom offered and accorded by capitalism and their homeland.

    5. Ahhhh, preach it, brother. Let me bask in your righteous fury. Let me drink the warm glow of vindication.

    6. How the fuck can you defend a state that’s collapsed into starvation and repression and still look at yourself in the mirror?

      If what you see in mirror is your lust for power over your neighbors, you have no problem. Say what best brings you power.

  20. When did they run out of beer, a month or so ago?
    The next month will tell us if there’s going to be a civil war or if it’s going to be an oppressive state forcing mass starvation.

  21. Your tears are yummy and sweet.

    You know who you fucking are, bitches.

    1. Unfortunately, the only crying is done by the people of Venezuela. The socialists? Not so much. Party members are eating and eating well.

      1. No, I’m pretty sure there are some socialists right here in the US of A who are crying. Or at least in the denial, if not the anger stage of grief.

        Their petulant fury is delicious.
        Yum.

      2. As long as they have the guns, poverty and disaster bring more *delicious* power to the ruling elite.

        Starving people, afraid for their starving children, can be very compliant. You have their lives in your hands, and you both know it.

        George Orwell – 1984
        “We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.

        Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating?

        Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face ? forever.”

  22. Oil’s near 50 bucks again – that’s not exactly cheap. But the MSM continue to blame “cheap oil” for this. What gives?

    1. What gives?

      Socialism is what gives.

    2. They’re idiots. If oil is $50 a barrel, the corrupt government will steal all of the money. If oil is $200 a barrel, the corrupt government will steal all of the money. Well, the media are not idiots, they know this, but the tards that listen to them will believe anything.

  23. Central Bank headquarters in Caracas, reportedly looking for board members and injuring two security officers before being shot and killed.

    I was about to make a comment about Venezuelans not understanding who to blame, either, but upon further reflection, is the Central bank of Ven. a government operation? If so, good on him for trying.

  24. Socialist Venezuela Facing Food Shortages ‘Despite’ Central Planning

    Despite? Is that a type-o? You mean ‘because of’, right?

    1. I assumed the headline was a joke. But a total in-joke, you know… for libertarians.

      1. Yeah, you’re right. I lost my sense of humor after finding out Rand Paul has joined the gun grabber Nazis.

      2. Hence the ‘quotes’.

  25. It’s all part of the plan.

    1. This is all your water weight. First you bloat and then you drop 10 pounds just like that.

  26. Can this somehow still be blamed on market failure? Venezuela’s economy is not 100% socialist or government owned yet, so whatever part that is not yet completely nationalized is clearly bringing the whole country down.

    1. Len Bias|6.20.16 @ 9:51PM|#
      “Can this somehow still be blamed on market failure? Venezuela’s economy is not 100% socialist or government owned yet, so whatever part that is not yet completely nationalized is clearly bringing the whole country down.”

      You bet!
      What’s more is that those in charge are not suffering any problems, so socialism is obviously a success!

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  38. uptil I saw the bank draft four $8760 , I be certain …that…my sister woz actually bringing in money part time from there labtop. . there neighbour had bean doing this 4 only about eighteen months and resently cleard the depts on there home and bourt a top of the range Chrysler ….

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  39. uptil I saw the bank draft four $8760 , I be certain …that…my sister woz actually bringing in money part time from there labtop. . there neighbour had bean doing this 4 only about eighteen months and resently cleard the depts on there home and bourt a top of the range Chrysler ….

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  40. uptil I saw the bank draft four $8760 , I be certain …that…my sister woz actually bringing in money part time from there labtop. . there neighbour had bean doing this 4 only about eighteen months and resently cleard the depts on there home and bourt a top of the range Chrysler ….

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  41. uptil I saw the bank draft four $8760 , I be certain …that…my sister woz actually bringing in money part time from there labtop. . there neighbour had bean doing this 4 only about eighteen months and resently cleard the depts on there home and bourt a top of the range Chrysler ….

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  42. before I looked at the draft saying $9453 , I have faith that my mother in law woz like truley erning money part time at there computar. . there mums best friend haz done this 4 less than 14 months and just repayed the dept on their apartment and purchased a brand new Honda . read here …..

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