A.M. Links: Clinton vs. Trump vs. Johnson, Senate Democrats End Pro-Gun Control Filibuster, Orlando Shooter Briefly Worked as Prison Guard

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  According to a new poll, Hillary Clinton has the lead with 39 percent of the vote, followed by Donald Trump at 32 percent and Gary Johnson at 11 percent.

• Senate Democrats ended their 15-hour pro-gun control filibuster early this morning.
• Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting.
• Orlando killer Omar Mateen worked briefly as a prison guard before he was fired from that job.
• Searchers have recovered the body of the two-year-old boy who was attacked by an alligator at a Disney resort in Florida.
• "French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament."

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[Fist of Etiquette]

...and Gary Johnson at 11 percent.

So close.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

"Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting."

Progs: These fags are gonna ruin it for us!

[Tonio]

I imagine that would be hard to measure. But, yeah, the prog homos are beating the GUNZ!!1! drum like a dungeon bottom. 2A homos like me are mostly quiet but seething quietly.

[straffinrun]

They would have a tighter grip to pry the guns from.

[Rufus The Monocled]

YOUZ ONE OF US NOW.

Progs don't care one bit for anyone except the state.

[Krabappel]

I've been thinking about getting myself another homo gun. Something smaller and more practical for protection than my six shooter.

[Brett L]

I was just thinking that a 9mm compact or subcompact would make an excellent addition to my collection. Or maybe .357, but I'd probably just load .38 to carry, so might as well go with 9mm.

[UnCivilServant]

I prefer my firearms to be straight shooters.

[BigT]

Paging Swiss!

[R C Dean]

But if you need to bust a cap in someone's ass, a homo gun seems like the right tool for the job.

[But Enough About Me]

Consider the Beretta PX4 Storm in its "sub" variants. I wish I could get one of those here, but Canadian firearms law forbids side-arms with barrels shorter than 100mm (approx. 4 inches). We miss out on availability of quite a few sweet little numbers due to that law...

[Granny Weatherwax]

My CC gun is a Ruger LC380. It's awesomely concealable. You can put this little bad boy practically anywhere and no body will know until you need it.

[Krabappel]

Ooh and it comes in purple!

[Citizen X]

The Prog Homos would be an excellent name for a band that does Rush/Frankie Goes to Hollywood mashups.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

I wonder what Ross Perot was polling at this point in the election cycle in 1992?

[Juvenile Bluster]

via PollingReport.com:

We have pre-election polls and exit polling to make an assessment of what impact Perot actually had on the outcome. In a three-way match-up nationally, in early June 1992, Perot led with 39%, Bush was second with 31%, while Bill Clinton trailed with 25%, according to Gallup. Perot exited the race during the Democratic convention in mid-July. In the immediate aftermath of the convention, Gallup had Clinton leading Bush 56% to 34%, clearly a post-convention bounce. But a month later, Clinton still led -- by between 17 and 25 points -- in half a dozen national media polls, with President Bush not exceeding 37% of the vote in any of them. In mid-September, with Perot still out of the race, an ABC News/Washington Post poll gave Clinton a commanding 58%, with the incumbent still stuck at a very familiar 37%.

(he was at about 8% when he re-entered the race in late September/early October)

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Wow, I'm impressed you actually did some research here, thank you. I didn't remember that Perot was ever actually leading. Imagine if he hadn't dropped out of the race, he might have had a real shot at winning.

[Suthenboy]

He had a real shot at winning. I don't think he ever intended to win and when it looked like he might he crawfished out.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Good morning from Orlando. Depressing place to be right now.

[Florida Hipster]

I've seen a lot of support. People holding vigils, blood donation lines out the door, counseling offered for free, I heard jet blue is offering free flights to families that need it. It's a tragedy, but it shows how much goodwill there is in this town.

[straffinrun]

I've extended my hand to quite a few friends on FB from the gay community only to get it slapped away because I'm the wrong kind of sympathizer. Good to hear it's different when being face to face with them.

[UnCivilServant]

Anyone who says you're the "wrong kind of sympathizer" isn't really greiving and is just putting on a virtue signalling pantomime for victim points.

[straffinrun]

I don't have much tact, so there's that, too.

[Suthenboy]

Thats one reason I like you straffin'. Low tolerance for bullshit...

[BigT]

straff: "Sorry to hear they killed so many of you damned fags. I would have stopped at a dozen."

[Florida Hipster]

Wow. What kind of assholes do you know?

[straffinrun]

TBF, It's mostly FB garbage posts that are screaming GUNZ BAD! and I just say I disagree with the post, but I'm really sorry about the deaths. Tragedy. My fucking wall is covered in this and I have no desire to eat the shit sandwich they're serving.

[Krabappel]

And this is why I deactivated facebook yesterday. I'd had enough of the ERMAHGERD GUNS! and weird twisted logic blaming conservatives and Christians for what some lone sad nutjob muslim did. Oh and the desperate need to interpret this as an attack on all days when that seems unlikely given this guy was also considering shooting up Disney instead.

It's just angry feels-posting all the way down.

[Domestic Dissident]

And this is why I deactivated facebook yesterday.

You should have done that a long time ago. Biggest moron magnet ever invented.

weird twisted logic blaming conservatives and Christians for what some lone sad nutjob muslim did.

And it's pathetic that we have to put up with same garbage here from losers like Scott Shackford.

[Krabappel]

I know. I had mostly unfollowed most of the retards but it just got overwhelming after Orlando. I mostly used facebook to follow local businesses. Most of them are on instagram thankfully.

[Auric Demonocles]

I've seen a bunch of stuff ranting about how terrible people who say something like "my prayers are with them" are.

[Krabappel]

That meme got started in one of the previous mass shootings. The progtard left is made of mostly unthinking parrots.

[Juvenile Bluster]

I know. Up here for meetings today, live in South Florida. Just kind of a pall over everything it feels like.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting.

Armed and fabulous!

[Rich]

"Squeeze slowly, and be surprised when it goes off."

[Pope Jimbo]

Suprisingly pump action guns are now outselling semi-autos...

[R C Dean]

"Check out the new Viagra 12 gauge! Always ready, and it goes off every time you stroke it!"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Senate Democrats ended their 15-hour pro-gun control filibuster early this morning.

They couldn't be bothered to go the distance to save just one life.

[Private Chipperbot]

Hey, that's like a full work week for a senator.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Actually, they caved because three Republican Senators agreed to allow a vote on two gun-control measures.

[R C Dean]

And people wonder why (a) I despise Republicans and (b) Donald Trump made the Republican Party his bitch so easily.

[BigT]

"Republican Senators agreed to allow a vote on two gun-control measures."

Donkeys in some states will face a dilemma: go with the party line and lose the next election, or hold onto power.

[Lee G]

The political cartoon roundup as curated by DU

[Rhywun]

No way am I clicking that.

[Lee G]

They hit just about every strawman there is. It's impressive.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Seems a little insensitive making funnies out of violence, but I guess if Tom & Jerry could get views doing it...

[Juice]

WTF is this one trying to say?

[gagster]

That the only firearms protected by the second amendment are muskets.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

192) Trump open to changes in gun laws

Two points about Trump, and in my mind, all you need to know about him: 1) He holds no fixed principles, and defines himself as a dealmaker; 2) His instincts are not liberty-oriented.

[dan'o en barrel]

I met my first big Trump supporter at the local Dairy Queen the other day. After making the decent pitch that we need a non-politician in the white house, he then started to categorize the different alien species and the treaties that previous presidents have signed with them.... "Where do you think the transistor came from!!?"

[Lord Humungus]

Bell Labs?

[Juvenile Bluster]

The documentary "Men in Black" listed all of the technology we got from aliens, didn't it?

[pan fried wylie]

Bibble, for shizzle.

[Pope Jimbo]

Wasn't the first transister a vacuum tube that was changing to an integrated chip after identifying as a digital circuit?

[Clich? Bandit]

MOSFETs are from Mars and QBITS are from Venus.

[(((Renegade)))]

Thank you, Admiral Obvious.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Hey, not every thought not sermon can be a winner. Nor can we all be (renegades) like you, Tommy Shaw.

[Auric Demonocles]

That's okay, most of the country doesn't have principles either. This week is convincing me more and more that the real enemy of libertarianism is utilitarianism.

[Jerryskids]

How screwed up is it that the presumptive GOP candidate is calling for expanding gun control measures and the presumptive Dem candidate is calling him reckless and dangerous for doing so? Jesus, is the NRA going to withdraw their endorsement of Trump and endorse Hillary? (Don't be silly - if there's any one group that defines the GOP establishment it's the NRA, America's largest gun control group, and they're going to fall in line behind Trump just like they all fell in line behind McCain and Romney. Trump's campaign sure is looking more and more like a re-run of 2008 and 2012. You really expect different results this time?)

[robc]

"Fuck utilitarianism" wasnt just a personal preference.

[But Enough About Me]

^^ THIS.

Ultimately, most Canucks aren't "Left-ist" at all -- they're utilitarians, and the better a political party here is at framing themselves as small-U utilitarian/pragmatist, the more likely they'll get in (or stay in) power. Principles are for losers.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting.

Overtaking sales of gun oil.

[derpules]

+1 obscure personal lube reference

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

"French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament."

You know who else tried to quell rampaging Englishmen?

[Rich]

William Wallace?

[Rufus The Monocled]

This is why in last night's threads I wanted more info. before pinning things on the Russians because the English are involved. The Russians claim they've faced racism while the government assert it can hurt relations with France.

Europe. Cesspool of sophistication.

[Rich]

Cesspool of sophistication

Nice band name; but perhaps too close to Corrosion of Conformity.

[Rhywun]

So they're going to be disqualified... right? That's what the organizers said would happen if there was any more trouble.

Yeah, right.

[Timon 19]

IIRC, it was Russia who got the "suspended ban", not England, and it was for actions INSIDE the grounds.

It's pretty chicken-shit, but they seem to have been consistent. England fans have not, to my knowledge, caused problems inside the stadiums. Russian fans did.

[Rhywun]

LOL I forget about the inside/outside distinction-without-a-difference.

Let's see if they get up to a little England/Wales trouble now.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Yeh. It shouldn't happen period.

But by all accounts Russian supporters have been the provokers.

[robc]

The city hosting this match put in a 24 hour pregame alcohol ban.

France..dry, like parts of KY.

[R C Dean]

The Russians claim they've faced racism

When did "Russian" become a race?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Emperor Claudius?

[Princess Trigger]

Charles Stuart?

[Private Chipperbot]

Spectre?

[Brett L]

The English should have found a hill and taunted the French into charging. Its like they don't even know their own history.

[Tonio]

Charles VI of France?

[Haybob]

The IRA?

[Lee G]

Edward Longshanks?

[WTF]

No, he was a rampaging Englishman.

[Lee G]

He was pretty hard on the barons before beating the Scots into submission.

[WTF]

True, but so were a lot of kings.

[WTF]

Andrew Jackson?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

There wasn't even a war going on...

[Chip Woodier]

The Duke of Orleans?

[thrakkorzog]

Joan of Arc?

[Suthenboy]

I don't get it. Soccer fans riot? Out of boredom? What?

I would think snoring would be more of a problem than rioting.

[This Machine]

OHHHHHHHH SNAP!

[Brett L]

Imagine you're English. The climate is awful, the food unpalatable, and the women unattractive and so very British. Now you go to the soccer game and these yobber fucking Russians have smoking hot chicks cheering them on. I'd be rioting too.

[bacon-magic]

Hadrian?

[Slammer]

"French police used tear gas to disperse rampaging English soccer fans after clashes on Wednesday. It was the fourth time England supporters have been involved in violent incidents since the start of the European Championship tournament."

If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter

[Tonio]

Mmmmmm.....

[Tonio]

NPR Morning edition did an interview this morning with Jeseph Torres, student government president of Valencia College in Orlando where seven of the people killed in the Pulse nightclub shooting were students. Young Mr. Valencia ably deflected the reporter's question about gun control, saying this wasn't the time to take a position and politicize the tragedy (boom). The interviewer then asked him about his job in a sporting goods store where he sells (gasp) gunz. Noteworthy that NPR gave as much air time to the job of this guy than to the victims. Scumbags. But Torres has a great future in politics.

[Tonio]

Young Mr. Torres, dammit. Needz moar coffee.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Orlando killer Omar Mateen worked briefly as a prison guard before he was fired from that job.

What does one have to do to be fired from that job? Let's read and find out...

[UnCivilServant]

The only one I've heard about being fired helped two prisoners to escape.

[UnCivilServant]

*it wasn't Omar.

[Private Chipperbot]

Are you sure? There were blowjobs involved in that one.

[UnCivilServant]

She was already on trial in New York when Omar went shooting.

[thrakkorzog]

After reading about Omar Mateen's habits, I'm fairly certain there were BJs involved in that story also.

[Brett L]

From experience with the FLDOC system:
1) Sex with an inmate
2) Buying drugs from an inmate

Things that will NOT get you fired
1) Bar fights between your softball team and another prison league team
2) Being a ringer for your prison league softball team (living in guard housing, drawing a guard check, not walking a shift, but playing softball)
3) Having a room temperature IQ

[Princess Trigger]

Re: #2. So selling drugs TO an inmate is totally cool?

[Tonio]

Yeah, I thought those transactions were supposed to go the other way.

[Brett L]

When I was a consultant in IT, I guess 2004, they had a whole group of guards at several prisons get caught buying steroids from inmates. Or brokered by inmates might be more truthful. I'm not sure the inmates ever had physical possession of the steroids.

[Agammamon]

Depends on where you work.

CA - you can't be fired.

AZ - Get caught masturbating in the aisle at Walmart. Smuggle a cell phone in. Screw a prisoner. (I know some of the guards from the local state and private prisons so I get to hear some of the shit that goes on).

[Brett L]

Official reply to a subpoena from a state AG: "Fuck off, facist. Seriously, which one of you guys is Alex Epstein?

[straffinrun]

Would like to see him plant a foot in the AG chest and fell him into a well.

[Aloysious]

Wonderful. The man has balls.

[Tonio]

Beautiful. I bet her uterus prolapsed when she heard about that.

[Crusty Juggler]

Awesome.

[thrakkorzog]

Not I, but one us should track him down and buy him a beer.

[Suell]

I would highly recommend his "Moral Case for Fossil Fuels".

And yes, the man has some gigantic balls.

[Pope Jimbo]

At the risk of nitpicking, he does tread dangerously close to being a total hypocrite. I say this because in a three word sentence he was very careful to punctuate it correctly.

I can hear the progs howling about a grammar nazi calling someone else a fascist.

[Slammer]

Oregon man 'fired nine nails into a woman's head and then shot himself in the head with nail gun in botched suicide pact which both survived'

Unidentified woman, 31, 'needed someone to kill her because she didn't want to be committed to mental hospital', Thompson told police

BAN TOOLS!

[Rich]

Well, that is one hell of a story.

"How the other half lives."

[Just a thought not a sermon]

He had a screw loose before, but now that's fixed.

[straffinrun]

Bow down before the one you serve.

[This Machine]

You're gonna get what you deserve.

*turns up volume*

[Tonio]

Those nail guns are not terribly useful as weapons, but since they are powered by what look to be .22 starter rounds (aka blanks)...

[Zeb]

Sounds like it was an air powered nailer. I think they would have had a much better chance of success with the powder actuated kind. Those things can fire a nail through like 8 2x4s (one has to test these things out).

[commodious spittoon]

I always think about that when nailing track to concrete.

[Drake]

Nailed 'em both!

[Suthenboy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOZpy55U-jY

Looks like fun.

[Slammer]

Oregon man 'fired nine nails into a woman's head and then shot himself in the head with nail gun in botched suicide pact which both survived'

Unidentified woman, 31, 'needed someone to kill her because she didn't want to be committed to mental hospital', Thompson told police

BAN TOOLS!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, that is one hell of a story.

"How the other half lives."

[KerryW]

I see what you did there, Rich, er, Fist.

[Rich]

Senate Democrats officially relinquished the floor early Thursday morning after spending nearly 15 hours straight talking about gun control, paving the way for high-profile congressional votes on restricting firearms

Emphasis added. Would someone *kindly* explain this?

[R C Dean]

Easy.

The idiot Republicans just allowed the Democrats to schedule votes that will be used against the idiot Republicans in the election.

In return for this, the idiot Republicans got exactly nothing.

[Agent Cooper]

No dwarves allowed.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Gun grabbers are now explicitly comparing themselves to abolitionists

As the fallout continues from the worst mass shooting in American history -- and the latest in a string of gun atrocities over the last decade ? one thing seems clear. Our current, paltry regulation of the firearms industry is surely bad public policy, but it's also something much deeper than that. Our current gun regime ? bought by the blood money of the industry-funded NRA ? is immoral and unjust.

Just like previous stains on the national soul ? such as slavery, and its evil cousin Jim Crow ? gun violence in America has defied and helped to break our conventional politics. The carnage in Orlando made it clear that it's past time for the American majority that believes in love and decency to defy the gun lobby by any non-violent means necessary. Since our political leaders seem incapable of action, it's time to summon the spirit of King, Gandhi, and the unsung civil-rights hero James Lawson and think of ways that citizen activists can fight the gun lobby, the manufacturers and the merchants of rapid-fire death, and their political enablers.

Gun control was a cornerstone of Jim Crow. Why do liberals want to disarm black people and now, with the terror watch list, Muslims? Won't someone please shove their bullshit back into their faces?

[Brett L]

Related: Joe Manchin finds due process of the law before denying an American citizen his constitutional rights "problematic".

[Certified Public Asshat]

I was curious about the Australian ban that gun grabbers love bringing up so much:

Gun Deaths by Year, Australia, America

Gun deaths in Australia were low before the ban, and had been decreasing anyway.

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

I have been popping up on gun-grabber FB threads of late and pointing out that while U.S. gun ownership is increasing, U.S. violent crime rates in general and murder rates have been decreasing at rates similar to the decrease in Australia. I do this just to see how long it takes for their argument to devolve in to "argel-bargle for the chillunz!!11!!"

[Brett L]

Also, without a total violent death trend line for both countries, its much harder to argue anything about whether guns are a convenient tool for violent death or an irreplaceable tool for violent death to some large segment of the population. Is that drop entirely due to suicides who had to do something else?

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

I chose to look at homicide rates specifically because the gun grabber assertion is, by limiting access to firearms it makes it more difficult to kill therefore there will be fewer murders. It also is, IMO, a more reliable and and objective data set that is less subject to reporting vagaries that make this sort of analysis difficult.

The responses I have gotten so far have indicate that the means that some one is murdered is far more important than the fact that they were murdered.

[Warty]

Blood money.

There's something unsettling about the fact that these fucks are unable to believe that many millions of their fellow citizens disagree with them on this issue. Nope, it can't be that, it's that we know this one weird trick to eliminate terrorist shootings forever, but crooked politicians have been bought off by the distilled evil that is the NRA, or it's false consciousness, or it's that these stupid redneck teabag racist fucks have tiny penises. There's never an acknowledgement that disagreement is possible.

[Brett L]

Such thinking would inevitably lead them to question what else their father might have been right about. Capitalism? Productive work? Regular bathing?

[Rufus The Monocled]

/tickles Warty.

Disagreement. You're so cute. You got personality.

/White Goodman giggle.

[Tonio]

The people in charge have no trouble believing that - it scares the bejebus out of them. But they find it politically useful to lie about that and pretend that it's only a small, unhinged minority who support 2A rights.

[WTF]

Everyone knows that Muslim terrorists will be deterred by stricter gun control laws. Just look at France and Belgium.

[Auric Demonocles]

It's pathetic:

the American majority that believes in love and decency

Yup, gun owners don't believe in love.

[WTF]

Or decency, apparently.

[Zeb]

Yeah, I'm getting really fucking sick of that shit. I find myself just having to avoid all regular news lately. or I start yelling at it.

[Zeb]

"gun lobby"

What a slimy manipulative term. They are trying to portray it as if gun rights orgs are astroturf for gun makers.

"Gun rights lobby" or "gun owners' lobby" would be much more accurate.

[Auric Demonocles]

Don't forget that these are the people who think guns have agency and kill people on their own. They might literally mean gun lobby.

[Zeb]

Oh, so the guns themselves are funding the NRA. It all makes sense now.

[Suthenboy]

"They are trying to portray it as if gun rights orgs are astroturf for gun makers."

Because gun makers get their money from...?

[WTF]

Evil profiteering venture capitalists and banksters? The Kochs?

[Zeb]

From poor idiots like us who apparently are being brainwashed into buying guns by the NRA and the gun makers. We don't actually enjoy shooting, admire the craftsmanship and engineering or care about the ability to defend ourselves.

[Eternal Blue Sky]

"Won't someone please shove their bullshit back into their faces?"

Okay.

[Eternal Blue Sky]

My comment on linked article:

"The first ever gun control was an attempt to disarm black Americans and give them no defense against white aggression.

Now y'all are demanding you ban people on the terrorist watch list, a list notorious for targeting innocent Muslims and Middle Easterners with no due process or even a method by which to challenge one's inclusion in the list.

Just like the FIRST gun control, this is a blatant and RACIST attempt to disarm Muslims who might need a defense against Islamophobic aggression. How DARE you invoke civil rights leaders in your RACIST attempt to strip away the self-defense of Muslims against Islamophobia"

Do you think I used enough of the left's language to denounce their stance?? I'm concerned I may have not accused them of racism /enough/.

[Citizen X]

Nice one, Tengri.

[This Machine]

Well played, EBS. Well played.

[WTF]

Let us know what kind of responses you get.

[Animal]

"bought by the blood money of the industry-funded NRA "

I keep seeing this horseshit. The NRA is funded by its members, not the gun industry. And guess what? NRA members get to vote on the organization's leadership, by-laws and policies. (Disclosure; I've been an NRA member since the 1970s and a Life Member since about 1995.)

What other civil rights groups have general elections for their board of directors and by-laws?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Searchers have recovered the body of the two-year-old boy who was attacked by an alligator at a Disney resort in Florida.

That alligator was still not as aggressive as Times Square's Disney characters.

[Haybob]

Senate Democrats ended their 15-hour pro-gun control filibuster early this morning

So tired of the "we have to at least try something argument".

[Slammer]

Woman breastfeeding in Torrington Target verbally assaulted, staff comes to her defense

Dude, get a Snickers, you're not the same when you're hungry

[Certified Public Asshat]

Jessie wrote that before she started filming, the man looked at her and angrily asked, "Can't you do that somewhere else? That's f****** disgusting." He also called her a "whore."

She's breastfeeding in a food court. Seems appropriate.

[Tonio]

A food court is where people eat, after all, and infants are people.

[UnCivilServant]

Some people will argue that they're not people until after the 43rd trimester.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Breastfeeding, another issue where I just can't care. I've said before, a lot of you on this board are libertarians because of deeply-felt commitment to liberty, but frankly, I'm libertarian by default. I simply don't give a fuck if a woman wants to breastfeed in a store, on the subway, riding her bike. Who cares? How is it even possible to muster enough outrage for this to be a problem for someone?

[UnCivilServant]

How is it even possible to muster enough outrage for this to be a problem for someone?

The woman has really ugly tits?

[Certified Public Asshat]

A little bit hippie, but otherwise seems ok:

https://www.facebook.com/antiquiediquie

[UnCivilServant]

I'm trying to come up with hypotheticals.

[Tonio]

"The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in."

[Certified Public Asshat]

Hmm, link works for me.

[AlmightyJB]

Lucky Baby

[Rich]

Her boyfriend wants a snack while she's at it?

[Just a thought not a sermon]

I'm not sure I'd be strictly offended by this, but it would definitely get an eyebrow raise....

[Lee G]

Envy

[Zeb]

I know you are joking.

But to anyone offended by any kind of public breastfeeding. If you don't want to see it, don't fucking look.

[WTF]

Well, yeah. It's not like she's taking a shit on the table.

[Brett L]

Or changing a diaper on the table. On the bench is questionable, but acceptable. On the table is right out.

[commodious spittoon]

Even a changing table!?

/deliberately missing the point

[Juvenile Bluster]

Well, I might have a problem if she's breastfeeding while she's riding her bike...

(but yeah, I agree.)

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

That *would* be pretty impressive though.

[Certified Public Asshat]

I was at a Famous Dave's (don't judge) and a woman was breastfeeding while still eating her ribs. I was very impressed.

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

Nice, that'd be a keeper right there.

[commodious spittoon]

How is it even possible to muster enough outrage for this to be a problem for someone?

Rolling out of bed and getting dressed in time for work is enough of a stretch. Living with that much outrage must be exhausting. We could harness SJWs for energy.

[bacon-magic]

Lots of energy to be harnessed.

[spqr2008]

Like the Matrix? Just give them their perfect virtual PC paradise, and they provide us energy?

[R C Dean]

JATNAS, my libertarianism is also rooted in my bone-deep apathy about most things. It boils down to this:

"Do what you want. Why should I care? Just don't come crying to me if things don't go the way you hoped they would."

[Aloysious]

"Can't you do that somewhere else? That's f****** disgusting." He also called her a "whore."

It's disgusting to breast feed, but not disgusting to say fucking, or to call a woman you don't know a 'whore'.

Someone is off his meds. Or stupid. I'm going to go with stupid.

And those Target employees deserve a raise.

[Certified Public Asshat]

He's got that great old man look down, t-shirt tucked into jeans that are a bit too short.

[WTF]

He then left and went outside to yell at a cloud.

[geo1113]

The woman defending is really over the top too.

[Rich]

Man arrested for killing father with chopstick

BAN CHOPSTICKS!

[straffinrun]

Was his dad Goldblum? *Sorry, two movie reference in one*

[Tonio]

But I am frequently assured by progs that comparing GUNZ!!1! to other weapons is an insult to their intelligence.

[WTF]

Because only guns have agency all their own and induce people to commit evil acts.

[AlmightyJB]

"Hillary Clinton has the lead with 39 percent of the vote"

Mandate

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Searchers have recovered the body of the two-year-old boy who was attacked by an alligator at a Disney resort in Florida.

Solution: Make all the gators swallow alarm clocks.

[Tonio]

+1 Pirate with hook prosthesis

[Florida Hipster]

I'm sorry these people lost their child, but maybe now people will pay attention to the warning signs. I see it all the time. Parents let their kids climb on rocks with signs that say "no climbing" and swim where it says "no wading/swimming".

[Just a thought not a sermon]

On the other hand, there's a real tendency to label everything in this country as a danger, no matter how implausible. If there's a big pile of rocks that looks fun for five-year-olds to climb on, the local mall will put up a sign just to ward off potential lawsuits, even if there's no real danger. Boy-who-cried-wolf syndrome.

[WTF]

Yeah, I would bet that if the sign had said "Danger! Alligators! Avoid water and water's edge!" they would have taken it a bit more seriously than "No Swimming".

[Citizen X]

On the other hand, shouldn't everyone just assume by now that most of the wildlife in Florida (probably including Florida Man, and definitely including Florida Woman) wants to kill you?

[Florida Hipster]

*unsheaths knife*

[Citizen X]

See?!?

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

*Nervously looks around for Invisible Furry Hand and his improbably large bowie knife and boomerang*

[OBJ FRANKELSON]

Florida Man is the most dangerous game.

[WTF]

These people were from Nebraska. I wouldn't assume they would be familiar with Florida's safety issues.

[Citizen X]

They don't have the internet in Nebraska? Or maps? Florida is shaped like that for a reason, it is known.

[Krabappel]

They should assume that but these were resort hotels with "beaches" on the lakeside. I wouldn't have automatically assumed that this man-made lake was filled with baby-eating dinosaurs.

I will *now* make that assumption.

[Atlas Slugged]

Disney has a beach resort at Vero Beach. Should they post a sign saying there is a real but incredibly small chance a shark or orca can attack you? Or should a visitor have a semblance of responsibility of knowing what exists in the native ecosystem?

[pan fried wylie]

Goddamit people, take the signs with alligators on them seriously.

[Krabappel]

They didn't actually have alligators on them -- they just said "no swimming". I would hope Disney would now spend a few bucks to update their signs to say "NO REALLY, DON'T FUCKING SWIM IN THE ALLIGATOR INFESTED LAKE!"

[Eternal Blue Sky]

Eh, you're in Florida where everything is dangerous, so maybe you're signs actually do mean danger, but where I live the "Don't Climb On These Rocks" signs are just placed around in areas where it is ~relatively~ safe for kids to climb on rocks, just the owner of the land doesn't want to get sued if your kid acts like an idiot and hurt themselves while doing so.

[Free Society]

Senate Democrats ended their 15-hour pro-gun control filibuster early this morning.

Last I checked the purpose of a filibuster was to delay or prevent a vote from taking place. It seems like the Democrats just wanted to rant for 15 hours and get some publicity.

From the piece:

"It takes courage to look into the eye of a shooter and instead of running, wrapping your arms around a 6-year-old boy and accepting death."

The senator continued: "If Anne Marie Murphy could do that, then ask yourself: What can you do to make sure that Orlando or Sandy Hook never, ever happens again?"

Wish upon a star? Rain dance? Sacrifice a goat to the gods of gun control?

[UnCivilServant]

Kill everybody - then no one can go on a shooting rampage again!

/JRPG villain logic

[Rich]

Talk for 15 hours?

[Princess Trigger]

Remember when Cruz was a bad man for filibustering and just doing it to get attention - like the attention whore he is.

[Auric Demonocles]

Last I checked the purpose of a filibuster was to delay or prevent a vote from taking place. It seems like the Democrats just wanted to rant for 15 hours and get some publicity.

Yet another example of how everything the left says about the right is based in projection (in this case it's "obstructionists").

The senator continued: "If Anne Marie Murphy could do that, then ask yourself: What can you do to make sure that Orlando or Sandy Hook never, ever happens again?"

Wish upon a star? Rain dance? Sacrifice a goat to the gods of gun control?

Ban schools and gay nightclubs.

[WTF]

Make sure you are armed so you can effectively defend yourself and others from violent criminals?

[WTF]

Be an attention-seeking demagogue?

[commodious spittoon]

"It takes courage to look into the eye of a shooter and instead of running, wrapping your arms around a 6-year-old boy and accepting death."

Meanwhile thanking God you don't have a gun, someone might get hurt.

[WTF]

You could kill someone in the CROSSFIRES!!11!!!!

[commodious spittoon]

You wouldn't want to get caught up in that.

[Free Society]

More than 20 years later I still have this song in my head and when I sing it, people know exactly what I'm talking about. Now that's effective marketing.

[R C Dean]

I bet Anne Marie was wishing she could wrap her fingers around a gun, rather than wrapping her arms around a child.

[Slammer]

Nails

Way up in the running for Slammer's 'metal album of the year'

[Jerryskids]

The Bill of Rights lays out certain rights human beings have which government cannot abridge, but when people use their rights to do bad things it's time to re-think abridging them. The Constitution also lays out certain privileges afforded government and citizens, but when citizens and their elected representatives do bad things like refusing to abridge the Bill of Rights it's time to re-think following the Constitution. Therefore, just as my fellow citizens and their representatives are declaring the Bill of Rights null and void, I am declaring the Constitution null and void and henceforth you must recognize me as your God-King. I haven't yet worked out a full list of my commandments you shall be bound to obey, but the first is that you must pledge allegiance to your new Lord and Master.

[Free Society]

Lord and Master Jerryskids, though I be your humble subject, perhaps it would be easier to rise to the level of God-King if your name were just a tad less...molesty.

[Tonio]

The progs always talk about "gun laws," which is implicitly failing to acknowledge the RKBA. Contrast that with the gay marriage debate when they were all about how state-sanctioned marriage was a right and no icky laws should be able to prevent that.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

"I haven't yet worked out a full list of my commandments you shall be bound to obey,"

Yeah, it's easier just to leave this up to the individual agencies and let them interpret the law to figure out the relevant regulations.

[Warty]

CrucisQuisque

4. Now there are short and simple exercises which tire the body rapidly, and so save our time; and time is something of which we ought to keep strict account. These exercises are running, brandishing weights, and jumping, ? high-jumping or broad-jumping, or the kind which I may call, "the Priest's dance,"[3] or, in slighting terms, "the clothes-cleaner's jump."[4] Select for practice any one of these, and you will find it plain and easy. 5. But whatever you do, come back soon from body to mind. The mind must be exercised both day and night, for it is nourished by moderate labour. and this form of exercise need not be hampered by cold or hot weather, or even by old age. Cultivate that good which improves with the years. 6. Of course I do not command you to be always bending over your books and your writing materials; the mind must have a change, ? but a change of such a kind that it is not unnerved, but merely unbent. Riding in a litter shakes up the body, and does not interfere with study: one may read, dictate, converse, or listen to another; nor does walking prevent any of these things.

[commodious spittoon]

high-jumping or broad-jumping, or the kind which I may call, "the Priest's dance,"[3] or, in slighting terms, "the clothes-cleaner's jump."

Or, perhaps, "the ACL-killer."

[straffinrun]

What are the odds that someone gets killed at protests this summer? I've never seen it this bad. Maybe it's just the internet making it seem worse than it is and I'm not there so I have no first hand, on the ground experience.

[Rich]

39/32?

[UnCivilServant]

What are the additional odds that someone will try to bomb one of the protests because it's an easier target than the rallies?

[straffinrun]

That's what I mean. You can be a demagogue, but if the population isn't ready to act, it finishes with only words. Feels different this time.

[Tonio]

Killed by protesters or police? Are we talking just the convention and other election-related protests, or does this include other protests?

[Tonio]

I don't think we will see killings, but this may just be hope talking. I know we're going to see police/protester violence. I suspect we may see attempted mob violence against politicians and their supporters. The Philadelphia convention is going to be a replay of Chicago in 68.

[straffinrun]

Thinking more by protesters or supporters/haters. The police will just back off if it gets too hairy, so the odds of killing in that case seems a lot lower.

[Just a thought not a sermon]

Four dead in Ohio

[Juvenile Bluster]

The odds are close to 100% that police somewhere, probably in Cleveland, are going to overreact and kill someone.

[Rich]

Should we be sleeping TWICE a day? Two shorter periods of slumber may suit our body clocks better and increase alertness

Sleeping for 8 hours is a modern concept and split sleep used to be normal

Fight for Fifteen!

[UnCivilServant]

I'm more tired when I get a split sleep.

No thanks.

[commodious spittoon]

Split sleep is what you do when you wake up your girlfriend for a late-night/early morning quickie.

[Rhywun]

I don't think I have ever slept for "eight hours" in my life.

+1 siesta

[commodious spittoon]

Racist.

[Certified Public Asshat]

Vox: A huge international study of gun control finds strong evidence that it actually works

Oh?

The authors are careful to note that their findings do not conclusively prove that gun restrictions reduce gun deaths. However, they did find a compelling trend whereby new restrictions on gun purchasing and ownership tended to be followed by a decline in gun deaths.

[Tornado16nb]

Thought that according to proggies there is no gun control in place currently....

Just like the safety net has been gutted, just like financial industry is deregulated, just like healthcare is a free market...

[UnCivilServant]

Were they also preceeded by a decline in gun deaths? These always seem to pop up in the middle of a downward trend, and have either no impact, or slow the rate of decline.

[Certified Public Asshat]

Yeah, see my Australian link above.

[commodious spittoon]

Okay.

What has that got to do with the four hundred million guns owned in the United States? Let alone the amending the Constitution.

[Tonio]

Because proggies don't believe in rights, they believe in state-granted privileges.

[Warty]

That means they noted a weak correlation. "Compelling" is almost certainly put in there by the Vox writer-child.

[Lord Humungus]

*shrugs*

With Freedom comes responsibility... and side-effects that may not be ideal, but I would rather live with our current number of deaths by guns than not have the freedom to use them. And this is coming from someone who has done a bit of shooting but doesn't own any guns.

See driving as another freedom that also causes death and injury.

[Rhywun]

"Gun deaths", not killings. They're including suicides, I assume.

[Rufus The Monocled]

In other words, bull shit.

[Certified Public Asshat]

There is strong evidence that does not conclusively prove anything Rufus!

[Juice]

Did they cherry pick the countries like that always do?

[Juice]

Oh, it only counts 10 countries. What a joke.

[Crusty Juggler]

Donald Trump calls her 'Crooked Hillary,' but his fans just say 'b----'

many of his fans have chosen a different nickname for her ? one starting with a "b" and rhyming with "witch."

The word is often shouted from the audience as Trump attacks her, murmured in pre-rally conversations and typed on Twitter. It appears on a popular button sold by vendors at many rallies: "Life's a b----, don't vote for one." And, most prominently, it is on those white T-shirts, created by the Ohio-based Street Talk Tees and sold at nearly all of Trump's rallies.

In an interview last month, Trump said he was unaware that his fans were using the word.

"They're what? They're calling her what?" Trump said, as the word was repeated to him a second time. "I have not heard that. I don't like that. But I have not heard that. I would not be happy if I heard it."

!!!!OUTRAGE!!!! Seriously, who wants to print up "Hillary's a leaky fucking minge box" t-shirts with me?

[Tonio]

"minge"

Had never heard that one. Thanks.

[Crusty Juggler]

It is from a movie called In The Loop. They speak British, so you may have to use subtitles like I did.

[commodious spittoon]

Clunge is another good one.

[Citizen X]

Also "mutton flaps."

[commodious spittoon]

So, John, when Trump humiliates himself in November, are you going to pen an apologia to National Review et al.?

[Warty]

You think Trump's even going to be nominated? If he's not totally insane, he'll see what a gigantic defeat he's headed for, and he'll decide it's better business to arrange some deal where he drops out, rather than see his bullshit reputation as a bullshit "winner" go away when he's roundly assfucked by a figure as pathetic as Hillary Clinton.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Must you encourage SugarFree with that last sentence?

[commodious spittoon]

SF would never stoop to indulging our fancies.

[WTF]

He thinks he holds all the cards going into the convention, so I don't think he'll have much incentive to make a deal. He really is going to be the nominee.

[tarran]

If this were a roulette wheel, and I were to have some "bet them or lose them" chips, I'd put them down on Trump to win the election.

Both Trump and Hillary will bullshit people and say whatever sequences of words they think will get their fat buts into the oval office. Trump is better at it than Hillary. He'll have an easier time conning people into thinking he is the second coming of the great prophet zarquan. At this point the only people Hillary's con attempts work on are the people who think Hillary's vagina is very magical and ensows her with super-powers.

[WTF]

En-SOWS? Is that like enpiggen?

[tarran]

I swear that I am not a john sockpuppet. Should have been endows.

[thrakkorzog]

You should have argued that it is a perfectly cromulent word.

[VG Zaytsev]

She does have the power to shriek endlessly.

[Calidissident]

I think Trump has a chance due to how bad a candidate Clinton is (and the possibility of an economic downturn or something else that would look bad on the party holding the presidency), but I think Clinton is definitely the favorite. She really should not lose this, Trump has alienated too many people to an even greater extent than she has. And he hasn't seemed to pivot to general election mode as many thought he would. If anyone would lose to him it would be Hillary Clinton, though (or an extremist, such as a self-identified socialist like Bernie Sanders, which says something about the Democratic presidential candidate field this year).

[Azathoth!!]

What? While he's gloating?

I mean, other than the gloating itself, how could Trump humiliate himself more than he has?

[Crusty Juggler]

Guess who wrote it: Lessons of Hiroshima and Orlando

I want to talk today about the horrific human tragedy of Orlando. But first I want to talk about Hiroshima ? or, more precisely, the profound speech that President Obama gave there on May 27 that got lost in all the campaign noise here

What the president was describing is the central strategic issue of our time: the growing mismatch between the combined rapid evolution of our technological prowess and the powers this gives to a single individual or group to destroy at scale (you can make your own gun now with a 3-D-printer), and the pace of our moral and social evolution to govern and use these powers responsibly.

And that brings me to the Orlando massacre ? to what happens when, on a smaller scale, we refuse to reimagine the social and legal changes we need to manage a world where one loser can now kill so many innocent people. The notion that such a person ? any person ? should be able to buy a military-style assault rifle is insane. That the Republican Party cannot see the wisdom of common-sense guns laws is just begging for bigger massacres.

[Crusty Juggler]

Stop for a moment and reflect on what this week would have been like had Donald Trump been president ? the carpet-bombing he'd have ordered in the Middle East, the fear and isolation his Muslim ban would have engendered in every Muslim-American, the joy that ISIS would have taken from being at war with all of America, the license this would have given to crazies in our own society to firebomb a mosque. And the backlash that would engender among Muslims around the world, the most radical of whom would be firebombing our embassies. When America goes nuts, the world goes nuts.

I don't agree with Obama on all aspects of this issue, but the guy is thinking deeply and acting responsibly. Trump is shooting from the hip, spraying insults 360 degrees, telling lies, stoking fears and making threats that many in our military and the F.B.I. would refuse to implement. If you Republican senators and congressmen support Trump for president, he will own you ? and you will own everything he does.

[WTF]

Holy shit, that's some serious derp.

[Bra Ket]

It's better to have a more humble and intellectual authoritarian in charge when it comes to giving up fundamental rights in the vain hope of gaining a little increased security. I believe this is the point of the article.

[UnCivilServant]

I stopped reading when they claimed Obama's self-abasement and humiliating display to be a "profound speech".

[sarcasmic]

same

[Auric Demonocles]

There's only one political group begging for bigger massacres, and it's not the Republicans...

[sarcasmic]

Yeah, but they're doing it in the name of tolerance. After all, Republicans are intolerant, and tolerant people have a responsibility to murder intolerant people who disagree with them. After all, tolerant people have good intentions, so anyone who disagrees with them must be motivated by bad intentions, and therefore deserves to die in the name of tolerance, inclusiveness, and equality. Who can disagree with tolerance, inclusiveness and equality? Really. Who. Because they're going on a list.

[Zeb]

person ? any person ? should be able to buy a military-style assault rifle is insane

Well, then he should be happy that civilians pretty much can't.

[sarcasmic]

Note the word "style." That means that anything that simply looks like a military rifle should be banned.

[WTF]

Especially the ones with the shoulder-thing that goes up.

[Zeb]

Yeah, that's probably what be meant. But it could also mean the type that the military uses, and he said "assault rifle" not "assault weapon". So I went with that.

[KerryW]

Good point -- assault rifle does refer to the real thing (as opposed to assault weapon).

[commodious spittoon]

State psychiatrist sleeps with psycho teen who murdered parents, siblings.

[Brett L]

Was it Dr. Harley Quinn?

[VG Zaytsev]

WTF is up with all the decent-hot 30 something women fucking loser teenage boys nowadays? Is this a side effect of feminism turning most men into beta male pussies?

[Juice]

I wouldn't call her decent-hot.

[widget]

Can someone explain CNN to me? I went to an iHOP yesterday and the CNN news show was playing on Teevee. It had a story about the Orlando massacre with of visual backdrop of Donald Trump smirking at an awards ceremony for a beauty pageant that took place 20 years ago.

[WTF]

Because Orlando was the result of Trump's smirking rhetoric. Duh!

[widget]

He smirks through worm-hole, backward in time. George Takei could explain.

[thrakkorzog]

Jon Stewart actually had a decent joke about that. If you're watching CNN, then sorry about your flight being delayed.

[straffinrun]

Alright y'all have a good day. Anniversary tonight so I can't spend it here fucking around any longer. Hug your family and fuck the slavers.

[Lee G]

Omedet?gozaimasu

[commodious spittoon]

You're just bitter about the ol' ball and chain.

[The Late P Brooks]

See driving as another freedom that also causes death and injury.

That's completely different!

[Drake]

Here's why Hillary can't criticize Trump on Trump University: She and Bill were in their own education scam.

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=876894

[widget]

HRC is a bitch. I mean 'bitch' in the context alpha american black men use it.

[VG Zaytsev]

When has hypocrisy ever stopped th Clintos from smearing someone that's in their way?

[Drake]

When Trump became the first Republican ever to throw it right back in her face.

[Crusty Juggler]

Freddie Gray's Neck Felt 'Like a Bag of Rocks,' Medic Testifies

Herbert was the responding medic to the scene and described her arrival in detail during testimony. She said the first words she uttered to officers transporting Gray were: "What the f--- did you guys do?"

"His eyes were open, but he didn't respond. His eyes didn't blink," Herbert recalled of Gray. "I went over, put my hand on his chest and (it) didn't move?I said to my partner, 'I don't think he's breathing.'"

According to Herbert, when the officers responded to her initial question, they said they didn't know what happened. Herbert said one officer told her it could have been Gray "banging his head up against the side of the van."

She described beginning medical interventions and feeling the back of his neck. He had no swelling, bruises or cuts visible. She said she saw some blood on his upper lip, right below his nose.

"I was trained that if non-breathing -- what we call life-threatening -- like Mr. Gray, and they poop themselves, that's bad. And they may not come back," she said.

She said when she touched his neck it "wasn't in line and felt crumbly like a bag of rocks."

[Aloysious]

I Think My Dog's a Democrat Bryan Lewis Official Video

[Ken Shultz]

"Gun sales are reportedly surging among gays in the wake of the Orlando shooting."

We all know gays are much more intelligent than that. They know that the government is there to protect them, and only stupid rednecks think they can protect themselves without accidentally shooting their family members.

Meanwhile, suggesting that women, blacks, and gays should take responsibility for protecting themselves is misogynist, racist, and homophobic.

Stop blaming the victims!

[commodious spittoon]

Also, owning guns is unreasonable because you can't possibly fight the military.

/Ruby Ridge fetishizing lefties

[thrakkorzog]

Sounds like gay people have figured out they're near the bottom of the SJW totem pole. When it comes to a choice between gays and Muslims, it's not hard to notice which group gets tossed under the bus every time.

[WTF]

It's starting to look like John may have been right about the proggies tossing the gays aside now that they no longer serve to advance the proggie agenda.

[The Late P Brooks]

Here's why Hillary can't criticize Trump on Trump University: She and Bill were in their own education scam.

Must you persist in perpetuating these completely bogus right wing smears against this noble womyn?

[Jerryskids]

Here's why Hillary can't criticize Trump on Trump University: She and Bill were in their own education scam.

Bullshit. It's exactly, precisely why Hillary needs to go after Trump over Trump U. A normal person might avoid making arguments which can easily lead to a pot/kettle response, but notice one of the first things Trump went after the Clintons on was Bill's sexual indiscretions when Trump's no slouch in that category. That's how you troll.

If Hillary has a lick of sense she'd be going hardest at Trump for exactly the sort of stuff that would draw a "Oh yeah? What what about when you did the exact same thing?" to get in front of the argument and play offense rather than defense and specifically because raising that counter-argument is both entirely predictable and it's conceding the point. "Sure Trump is a big fat lying crook, but so are you" is a losing argument because all that matters is the first part of that argument - "Trump is a big fat lying crook". If she waits until Trump attacks her over the "scam university" issue - and you can be damn sure he will - then she's the one stuck playing defense and playing defense in politics is always a losing proposition. It's just sad and pathetic to be reduced to saying "Oh yeah? Well, you're even worse than me" and then repeating your accusers arguments right back at them.

[The Late P Brooks]

The "minge" shirt (above) is a little too crude for my tastes, but it occurs to me a nice

RIGHT WING CONSPIRATOR

shirt might have a market.

[commodious spittoon]

The XXL size should read "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRATOR".

[Krabappel]

*widens gaze*

[Brett L]

I had a "Proud Member of the VRWC" shirt for a while. Don't recall where I got it.

[The Late P Brooks]

nice.

[Crusty Juggler]

+1

[Drave Robber]

'Radical Islam v Radical Christianity': YouTube prank sparks outrage

It'd be more convincing if the other guy was wearing orange and shouting "Hare Krishna!".

[commodious spittoon]

I see we're calling dumb youtube pranks "social experiments."

[commodious spittoon]

This video shouldn't offend anyone, it simply opens up a dialogue to a tragedy, This video will raise questions to why certain things happen, watch the WHOLE video to understand

Oh, fuck right off with that nonsense.

[TANSTAAFBOW]

So evidently, The number of polled people in America that hate Trump and Clinton is highly exaggerated.

If it were the case, our guy Gary over here should had had this hand-over-fist.

Gary Johnson is the only reasonable candidate between the two.

Given that he's socially liberal and a republican you would think he's be doing better than 11%.

[Krabappel]

Most people have still never heard of him. Most people still believe it matters if you vote for Clinton or Trump.

[UnCivilServant]

Given that he's socially liberal and a republican you would think he's be doing better than 11%

Actually, I'm shocked that it's that high. You have one large segment who looks at that one line description and goes "Republican - nope" and another that looks at it and goes "Liberal - nope". To the electorate he's betrayed both sides.

[GILMORE?]

Senate Democrats ended their 15-hour pro-gun control filibuster early this morning.

Oh, were you saying something?

Did anyone in America actually notice? Unlike, say, Rand's Drone-speech, i saw zero coverage of this.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

According to a new poll, Hillary Clinton has the lead with 39 percent of the vote, followed by Donald Trump at 32 percent and Gary Johnson at 11 percent.

Polls always overestimate the number of votes third-party candidates will receive in a FPTP election. Johnson was regularly polling at 4-5% in 2012 from summer all the way to November before coming in at less than 1% in the actual election.

Most of that 11% will go to the GOP or stay home.

[Mr. Flanders]

Its not about winning. It's about getting 15% to be in the debates.

[paranoid android]

So evidently, The number of polled people in America that hate Trump and Clinton is highly exaggerated.

If it were the case, our guy Gary over here should had had this hand-over-fist.

Not necessarily. The "If I don't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in" mentality among Democrat and Republican voters should not be underestimated. A lot of people who hate Hillary are nonetheless going to vote for her because they hate Trump that much more. The converse is also true. Ask them why they wouldn't just vote for Johnson or another third party and you'll get an incredulous, "What!? And throw my vote away!?"

[Krabappel]

Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of American voters.

[Dallas H.]

Politics: the art of getting people to forget the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.

[Warty]

Seneca is always worth reading. He had perspective.

[WTF]

That is good stuff.

[Citizen X]

Seneca on Roman imperial decadence: "They eat that they may vomit, and they vomit that they may eat; and they do not deign even to digest the feasts for which they ransack the entire world."

Dropped the mic before the mic was even invented.

[Krabappel]

I was framing a wall in my house earlier this year and was going to just do it by hand but as soon as I started and realized how much work it was I said "nope, fuck this, time to go buy some tools". Now I have all the nail guns one could need for just about any project, including a suicide pact! 😀