Brock Turner Case Proves That Activists Are Wrong About Campus Rape Trials

Sexual assault at Stanford University was rightly handled by the police, not the campus bureaucrats.

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I mentioned this in my previous post about the convicted Stanford University, but it bears repeating: Brock Turner is the reason that cops, rather than colleges, should investigate and adjudicate rape. 

Yes, Turner's sentence was inappropriately lenient, but the fact that he will spend any time in jail at all is a credit to the criminal justice system. Because witnesses involved the police from the beginning, Turner was assured a fair trial that resulted in a well-deserved conviction. The public can have faith that the verdict was correct: it was arrived at by twelve jurors who determined, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Turner committed the crime he was accused of. 

Many anti-rape activists are condemning Turner's meager sentence, and rightly so. But there's a profound irony here: a large contingent of the anti-rape activist community is actually opposed to mandatory involvement of the cops and courts in student sexual assault disputes—even though cops and courts are the only vehicle for obtaining a prison sentence at all

As KC Johnson and Stuart Taylor write in The Washington Post

The backlash against Turner's sentence is being exploited by a powerful but misguided movement to delegitimize law enforcement as the best way to handle campus sexual assaults. The accusers' rights group Know Your IX has claimed that even reporting an assault to police could harm campus victims. "#copsoffcampus," the group recently tweeted. 

Campus activists at Stanford and nationwide have championed secretive disciplinary processes run by administrators who know little about gathering evidence (or about fair procedures). Indeed, had this case been initially channeled through the school, critical evidence — including Turner's highly incriminating statement to police — might have been lost. 

No one should be in favor of the campus-run rape adjudication system, because it is deeply unfair to both accusers and the accused, produces outcomes that are frequently overturned via lawsuits, and is incapable of ascertaining jail time for rapists. People like Turner should face justice—real justice, not the ill-considered half-measure that colleges supply. 

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  1. In an interview for the probation report last month, the victim herself said: “I want him to be punished, but as a human I just want him to get better… He doesn’t need to be behind bars.”

    1. Privileged white men can’t be rehabilitated.

      1. He’s guilty of the patriarchy and the white privilege just by existing.

      2. 6 months doesn’t seem so lenient in light of the victim’s wishes.

        1. I would guess that 6 months in general lockup for this kid will be far worse than any harm or indignity suffered by the young lady. I mean it could potentially be a hell of a lot worse. Also, now he’s a felon and that’s a lifetime sentence today where he will be a half citizen with very limited opportunities.

          1. The victim might not have even felt like she was a victim if not for waking up in the emergency room with a snatch full of pine needles.

            1. Pine needles? Did I miss something? WTF?

              1. I believe they are the “foreign object.” Her letter stated that at the hospital she was told her back and hair were covered in pine needles, that she had many abrasions all over her body, and that pine needles were removed from her vagina.

                1. Crusty’s on it! (figuratively speaking)

                  1. I am a one-man Tenspeed and Brown Shoe.

                    1. +1 Ben Vereen

          2. he’s never going to see genpop

        2. Hey, 6 months for 20 minutes?!

          1. So….”20 minutes in her hips, a lifetime 6 months in your lips”?

        3. For the record, the victim also stated the following:

          “I told the probation officer I do not want Brock to rot away in prison. I did not say he does not deserve to be behind bars. The probation officer’s recommendation of a year or less in county jail is a soft time?out, a mockery of the seriousness of his assaults, an insult to me and all women.”

          So, she-said-the-probation-officer-said. Believe who you will. She also said the following:

          “Had Brock admitted guilt and remorse and offered to settle early on, I would have considered a lighter sentence, respecting his honesty, grateful to be able to move our lives forward. Instead he took the risk of going to trial, added insult to injury and forced me to relive the hurt as details about my personal life and sexual assault were brutally dissected before the public. He pushed me and my family through a year of inexplicable, unnecessary suffering, and should face the consequences of challenging his crime, of putting my pain into question, of making us wait so long for justice.”

          Make of that what you will.

          1. Again, XXs cannot be held accountable, drink as you want but XYs better be responsible. Can you say the end of hetro-civilization, the “victim” is what she tries to be, an irresponsible drunk XX. Boy I am really confident about the future of civilization.

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  2. Maybe the campus bureaucrats are just concerned about puppies?

  3. Disagree. An appropriate punishment for a man who put his fingers (and some pine needles?) into an unconscious woman’s vagina would be for him to be thrown out of college. That sends a message.

    1. I don’t think these students are exactly being taught responsibility, integrity, and accountability these days. And then they expect them to just be perfect members of a society?

      Also, who can say he’s a male and she’s female? Isn’t gender just a social construct? He could have said he identifies as a female gynecologist and was just giving xe an exam.

    2. Can’t they take comfort in knowing that Brock Taylor is sweet prison ass-candy?

      1. I convict you to “six months of constant buggery.”

  4. That dude has the crazy eyes.

  5. twelve jurors …determined, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Turner committed the crime he was accused of.

    And what was that crime, exactly? it is unmentioned in the piece here.

    Its also unmentioned in the previous piece…

    he was arrested, charged, and convicted of three separate offenses.

    yet we’re told repeatedly that his sentence was =

    ….As insufficient as Turner’s sentence is…. Turner’s victim did not get as much justice as she deserves…. Turner’s sentence was inappropriately lenient,

    etc.

    I’m just curious why the latter conclusions have such overwhelming certainty

    ….without actually knowing details such as, “what’s the average sentence for a first-time offender convicted of these specific charges”

    Maybe its true that the sentence is excessively lenient. It could very well be.

    But is that the conclusion because someone actually bothered to think about it? or is that the conclusion because it *needs to be*?

    1. Something about pine needles, I haven’t seen the details, yet…

    2. Maybe its true that the sentence is excessively lenient. It could very well be.

      But is that the conclusion because someone actually bothered to think about it? or is that the conclusion because it *needs to be*?

      In the last couple of weeks I’ve discovered I know a lot more lawyers, veternarians, Gorilla behavior experts, jurors and judges than previously thought.

    3. I’ve been wondering that myself. I’m coming on this monstrous event late, and apparently it’s so sufficiently without doubt that it no longer needs even a cursory recap. Unfortunately because the conclusion is so absolute in the Twittersphere and whatnot, my natural inclination is to reject it. I know that’s just as bad as any knee-jerkisms, but I just can’t find the gumption to research and find the social media outrage addicts are right on this one.

      1. I mean it’s perfectly understandable why the outrage monkeys and the media would be so excited about this. At long last they’ve finally found a campus rape story that was real. I’m sure they’re a little let down that no one was screaming ‘grab it’s fucking leg!’.

        1. At long last they’ve finally found a campus rape story that was real.

          There are plenty of real rapes to highlight if that was the goal. But in reality their mission is a system which deems accusations are sufficient to prove guilt. That way a student who doesn’t want to be reminded of her hookup can get him kicked out of school.

          To accomplish this they don’t need rapes, they need evidence rape isn’t taken seriously by the relevant authority: law enforcement or school administrations. Hence the focus on outlier cases while virtually ignoring real rapes like the Vanderbilt football case which don’t advance the agenda.

      2. As far as I can tell from news reports (and I’d be happy to be proven wrong), Turner and the woman were all over each other at a party and got terribly drunk there. They left together to go to his dorm room to have sex. While stumbling home and presumably grabbing each other, she passed out and fell down, and Turner continued fingering and kissing her, probably too drunk himself to think or care much about what was happening.

        I don’t even mind people getting out the pitchforks when a guy has premarital sex with a woman, like people used to in the old socially conservative days; I think it’s stupid and like the whole sexual revolution thing didn’t happen, but whatever. Feminists are apparently the new prudes and view women as helpless delicate flowers.

        However, what bothers me about the whole thing is that apparently getting alcohol poisoning and passing out in public doesn’t seem to be either a concern for colleges or grounds for arrests anymore. Frankly, I don’t care who you have sex with, but I don’t want to have to step over people on the public sidewalks, and I certainly don’t want to have to pay for a legal system to determine whether women were too drunk to consent to sex.

  6. This guy was found guilty of rape and will go to prison, where he is most likely to be raped much more violently than his victim. I’m pretty sure justice was served. His dad said some stupid shit, but doesn’t the parent of pretty much every single rapist and murderer say that shit?

    1. “My son was just starting to turn his wife — uh, his *life* — around.”

      1. This isn’t the punch line to a Greek joke, you racist.

      2. +0 A Boys Life

    2. He wasn’t found guilty of rape.

      1. Ah, but i’m sure we’ll soon learn that someone convicted of “attempted rape” is still a Rapist – duh! – and anyone suggesting otherwise is crazy and probably a rape-apologist.

        It makes perfect sense. Just as an “attempted murderer” is obviously still a Murderer.

        1. Is that you sideshow bob?

  7. … it is deeply unfair to both accusers and the accused, produces outcomes that are frequently overturned via lawsuits, and is incapable of ascertaining jail time for rapists. People like Turner should face justice?real justice, not the ill-considered half-measure that colleges supply.

    The real justice available via American cops and courts.

    You’re killing me, Smalls.

    1. Liklier than from a campus tribunal that would be virtually guaranteed to A) Screw up any chain of custody of any physical evidence B) Massively violate the civil rights of the accused to the point that pretty much any verdict would be overturned by lawsuit, regardless of guilt.

      The flaws in the cruminal justice system that make real justice less likely are greatly magnified on campus.

      1. Liklier than from a campus tribunal

        Citation required.

        1. Either you have been following this issue, or you haven’t.

          Campus tribunals have no legal standing. They, therefore, cannot handle evidence without casting serious doubt on any oegal chain of custody. As for B); that is simply the record. Campus tribunals typically do not allow the accused council, a basic violation of his civil rights. They also typically deny the accused the right to confront the accuser. There are other systemic issues, but those two alone are more,than enough to result in a successful (and very expensive) lawsuit. Whether the accused is innocent or as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl.

          And that is the core problem; campus tribunals are all about theatre and ego. They do not punish the guilty. They, in fact, make it next to impossible to do so.

    1. so much violence, objectification of women there.

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  9. Also of note: the young lady in question was not a student at his school. Why the school would get involved at all is a mystery to me, other than I suppose to boot his ass out for conduct unbecoming etc.

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  11. I do wonder if there isn’t some way we could A: minimize the publicity damage to victims (which this victim *does* complain about, in addition to the assault itself), without B: letting perpetrators off the hook, C: diminishing the transparency of the justice system, or D: allowing punishments not in accord with the standard of guilt required.

    I imagine that those who are “in favor of the campus-run rape adjudication system” are hoping to achieve (A) and (B), but aren’t really giving (C) or (D) their fair consideration.

    As to whether academic (non-criminal) punishments are “fair” to the victim, I would say that that really is up to the victim. Whether that demands that we as a society allow the victim absolute discretion to demand to refuse criminal and/or academic proceedings is another matter entirely ? one which demands consideration particularly with respect to (D).

    1. Correction: “to demand or criminal and/or academic proceedings…”

      1. Correction: “to demand or refuse criminal and/or academic proceedings…”

        Edit button needed.

  12. Yes, Turner’s sentence was inappropriately lenient, but the fact that he will spend any time in jail at all is a credit to the criminal justice system.

    As far as I can tell from news reports, Turner fingered his drunken passed out trick on the way from some wild party to showing her his etchings in his dorm room. Now, while that is pretty sleazy, it doesn’t seem the same to me as, knocking out some random woman on the street, dragging her behind a dumpster, and then fucking her. In fact, if she hadn’t passed out, they would likely have had consensual sex. So a fairly lenient sentence seems plausible to me.

    What I’d really like to see is universities and police get tougher on public intoxication. If you drink yourself into a stupor and pass out in public, you should be kicked out of university and face some legal penalties.

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  14. Was the judge influenced by the sex offender registry? 6 months of county jail plus a lifetime on the registry might not be enough punishment, but it’s a lot more than just 6 months.

    1. That is my opinion in this case. Yes, the 6 month sentence is way too lenient, but a lifetime on the sex registry is “cruel and unusual”. And that is not unusual as in “anybody who commits a sex crime goes on it”, but unusual as in “there is no other crime that we continue to punish the criminal after he has served his time and supposedly rehabilitated”.

  15. Boy, it’s pretty interesting reading the comments on this one. I’ve been vaguely aware of this story for a little while now as my liberal book of faces friends have been plastering his picture everywhere moaning about the patriarchy etc. and how no one was putting up his picture or deriding him.

    Did a little research, very little, and it turns out it’s everywhere. I’m consistently baffled by the left. How much media attention and derision is the right amount? Especially given that the victim is invariably dragged into it by the same media. (Which, I might add, seems like the opposite of what the media should do.) I think it’s the media circus that victims fear the most, since it’s basically a second violation of them. You usually don’t hear about the rando that got beat down in an alley, but if it was a rape it’s everywhere.

    I know it’s crazy but maybe, just maybe, these types of things should be handled by the criminal justice system without a media three ring circus blasting the victim and perps name and photographs everywhere in these United States. I’m not saying a light shouldn’t be shone upon overly light sentences for grievous crimes or anything, merely that it shouldn’t be the news story for days on end. In a nation of over 300 million people, I can guarantee something worse and more disgusting happened within five minutes of this crime.

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