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Yale Students Tell English Profs to Stop Teaching English: Too Many White Male Poets

'We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.'

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Some Yale University students are demanding changes to the English Department curriculum: specifically, they don't think it should feature so many English poets who were straight, white, wealthy, and male. 

"It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices," the students wrote in a petition to the faculty. "We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention." 

The "Major English Poets" sequence, a mandatory two-course commitment for English majors, is particularly problematic, according to the students. These classes cover Geoffrey Chaucer, Edmund Spenser, William Shakespeare, John Donne, John Milton, Alexander Pope, William Wordsworth, and T.S. Eliot. It's not the most diverse line up, to be sure, but it's the one that best reflects history the way it actually happened. Inarguably, these are the most influential poets in the English language. 

But students think this sequence "creates a culture that is hostile to students of color." They write: 

When students are made to feel so alienated that they get up and leave the room, or get up and leave the major, something is wrong. The English department loses out when talented students engaged in literary and cultural analysis are driven away from the major. Students who continue on after taking the introductory sequence are ill-prepared to take higher-level courses relating to race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, ability, or even to engage with critical theory or secondary scholarship. We ask that Major English Poets be abolished, and that the pre-1800/1900 requirements be refocused to deliberately include literatures relating to gender, race, sexuality, ableism, and ethnicity.  

It's time for the English major to decolonize — not diversify — its course offerings. A 21st century education is a diverse education: we write to you today inspired by student activism across the university, and to make sure that you know that the English department is not immune from the collective call to action. 

There's nothing wrong with providing a greater variety of courses for students, and if students want to read more female and minority authors, the English Department is welcome to oblige. But there's only so much that can be done. There just aren't that many early modern writers who were gay or transgender. 

Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon: in fact, that sounds like an excellent subject for a classroom discussion facilitated by a professor. But professors need to actually teach students about these pivotal figures before those discussions can be had. 

In a brilliant piece for Slate, Katy Waldman eviscerates the idea that non-white students have nothing to learn from dead white poets: 

I want to gently push back, too, against the idea that the major English poets have nothing to say to students who aren't straight, male, and white. For all the ways in which their particular identities shaped their work, these writers tried to represent the entire human condition, not just their clan. A great artist possesses both empathy and imagination: Many of Shakespeare's female characters are as complexly nuanced as any in circulation today, Othello takes on racial prejudice directly, and Twelfth Nightcontains enough gender-bending identity shenanigans to fuel multiple drag shows and occupy legions of queer scholars. The "stay in your lane" mentality that seems to undergird so much progressive discourse—only polyamorous green people really "get" the "polyamorous green experience," and therefore only polyamorous greens should read and write about polyamorous greens, say—ignores our common humanity.     

But even if you disagree, there's no getting around the facts. Although you've written that the English department "actively contributes to the erasure of history," what it really does is accurately reflect the tainted history we have—one in which straight white cis-men dominated art-making for centuries—rather than the woke history we want and fantasize about. There are few (arguably no) female poets writing in Chaucer's time who rival Chaucer in wit, transgressiveness, texture, or psychological insight. The lack of equal opportunity was a tremendous injustice stemming from oppressive social norms, but we can't reverse it by willing brilliant female wordsmiths into the past. 

In tangentially related news, Nicholas and Erika Christakis—who declined to protect students from offensive Halloween costumes—have finally resigned their positions at Yale.

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  1. And people wonder why the alt-right / stop the assault on white males is burgeoning.

    1. Again, 2 sides, 1 coin.

      1. I don’t know which is worse, the way you assault my whiteness or the way you assault my maleness.

          1. Gillespie: “Soave, you are off the PM links. We are promoting you to the head of the poetry stories department.”

      2. HM, there may be 1 coin, but on both sides it bears the image of Caesar.

        1. Isn’t there some more important things for you to do such as defending the Bolivarian Revolution and Juche from CIA sabotage?

          1. Yes, but the CIA is sabotaging my efforts.

          1. No. Should I put it on my to read list? Just one middling review at Amazon.

            Currently, I plodding through Tom Holland’s Dynasty: The Rise and Fall of the House of Caesar.

      3. Again, 2 sides, 1 coin.

        To a large extent, yes. But, is it surprising?

        When good people won’t respond, one shouldn’t be surprised when the responses of bad people come to be the counterpoint.

        It’s a tautology that the protesters are looking to dismiss these works precisely because the authors are white and male. The academic left has been at this for years now. The response should have been “Shut the fuck up you bigoted, collectivist, buffoon. If you’re going to judge intellectual works by the skin color of their authors you belong in an asylum, not an institution of higher learning.” Instead, the response has been, “Well, they kind of, sort of, have a point. It’s not like they’re bad kids or anything. They just get carried away with their idealism. If you have any problem with them, it’s just because you’re alt-right or a yokel or something.”

        Well, the stage has been left to the progtards and the alt-right yokels. It should hardly be surprising.

        1. The typical professorial progtard couldn’t hold the intellectual jock strap of a Derbyshire or a Pat Buchanan.

          1. Even more disturbing when you realize what a truly low standard that actually is.

            1. Derbyshire and Buchanan have sharp intellects and set a very high standard. I know that people like you like to simply assert that people with whom you disagree don’t set high standards. Derbyshire and Buchanan both use an abundance of fact and rigorous logic to make their case. You on the other use snark. In the comments section. Of Reason Magazine.

              1. Derbyshire and Buchanan have sharp intellects and set a very high standard.

                No doubt they do. After all, they are intellectuals. That is, their profession consists of convincing others that they have “an abundance of facts and rigorous logic” on their side, just like Marx, Adorno, Habermas, or the typical “professorial progtard”.

                You on the other use snark. In the comments section. Of Reason Magazine.

                You bet I use “snark”, in particular when libertarians fall into the progressive trap of believing that policy should be determined by “facts and rigorous logic”, instead of by principles of individual liberty.

            2. Derbyshire and Buchanan have sharp intellects and set a very high standard. I know that people like you like to simply assert that people with whom you disagree don’t set high standards. Derbyshire and Buchanan both use an abundance of fact and rigorous logic to make their case. You on the other use snark. In the comments section. Of Reason Magazine.

              1. To put this another way: you are a little twerp who worships intellectuals, you simply pick the conservative variety instead of the progressive variety, not realizing that they are both snake oil salesmen.

        2. Instead, the response has been, “Well, they kind of, sort of, have a point. It’s not like they’re bad kids or anything. They just get carried away with their idealism. If you have any problem with them, it’s just because you’re alt-right or a yokel or something.”

          That’s been a pretty consistent take here at Reason, anyway.

          1. Oh my fucking god.

            When did the commentariat become a bunch of whiney little bitches?!

            Someone not saying exactly what you would say is NOT an insult to you or a personal affront. Nuance is not a sign of conspiracy against you.

            I remember when this group had a collective pair, now their crying like they were picked last to play red rover. Grow the fuck up and quit griping that every reason contributor doesn’t consistently echo your world view so you can feel better about yourselves.

            You are as bad as these stupid, idiot kids.
            (All yous are plural in my rant.)

            1. In retrospect, that was,a little harsh. Wait… you can take it.

            2. Fine. Just don’t bitch, piss and moan about surge of the Trumpelos and the alt-right.

              They’re just filling the vacuum that more reasoned voices refused to fill.

              1. No. They are coming out of the closet as what they truly always were.

                1. No. They are coming out of the closet as what they truly always were.

                  Disagree; Gillespie, et al., have been out of the closet for some time with their passive/aggressive SJW trumpeting since at least circa 2009 or so. I consider them proto-SJW’s, actually, and they became more strident with Obumbles, the oh-so-post-racial/racialist Pestilence. It’s even more pronounced now to grab Millennials and disillusioned SJW’s as a business and marketing strategy; it’s not, “whiney,” to state this, and it would be good of Reason to openly and honestly admit this bias.

                  And I agree with Bill and RC – When uni’s host all sort of cultural and moral relativism class bitching (like in Rico Soave’s article) specifically citing the informal mantra of, “White is Bad; Black is Good; Latino is Good; Islamo-Mohammedan Arabs are Good; Asians, we’re not too sure about, but at least they aren’t White,” and *constant* cries of “majority opression” goal-post moving when one points out that cries of “RACISM” & “PRIVILEGE” appear to move in only one direction (and almost always means nothing more than, “I DIDN’T GET MY WAY!”), seeing the informal tone of agreement bias within the majority of Reason’s editorial staff should be called out.

                  Just because Reason (and a significant chunk of Teh Commentariat) may not agree with the methods, does not mean they don’t appreciate the end SJW results, even if they don’t explicitly state, “The end justifies the means.”

                2. Actually, the growth of the alt-right seems to be amongst Millennials. They weren’t coming out of anything.

            3. People can play the “Group X created Group Y” game forever in circles. It’s fucking stupid.

              And Groovus, if you actually think Reason writers are SJWs then you need to leave Ukraine and come visit a college campus and sit in on a left-wing student group meeting. They would be run out of the room in 2 seconds. Not everyone who doesn’t perfectly align with your worldview on these matters is a SJW or “proto-SJW.”

        3. What these SJW college kids are engaging in is not collectivism, it’s the exact opposite: tribalism. Collectivism would be them fully assimilating into established American society. Instead they incessantly (and insufferably) attempt to assert their own individual tribal identity. It’s individualism gone horribly wrong.

      4. Are they going to start teaching ebonic poetry on that other side of that coin?

    2. Because 160 kids signed a petition that is completely inconsequential to their lives?

      Yea, the alt-right is totally not retarded.

      1. I’d be surprised if you can identify, and accurately portray, the important people and writings of the alt-right.

    3. I guess english should be taught in swahili

      1. Esperanto.

  2. Imagine if they were engineering students. That field is a total sausagefest.

    1. We have to stop STEM, for the children.

    2. Clearly med schools need to stop teaching surgical techniques developed by straight white males.

      It’s for everyone’s benefit.

      1. So you can still use Hassan trocars?

        1. Two strikes, Hasson is still out.

  3. Is Harold Bloom dead yet?

    (i’ve been asking this for about 30 years)

    If not, i’m surprised he’s not out there with a firehose and a megaphone cleansing the campus of these philistines.

    1. Dead as a door nail. And so is Allen.

      1. This suggests he was still alive (and publishing) as of last year

        In “”The Daemon Knows””, literary critic and Yale professor Harold Bloom?who has written more than 40 books?nominates 12 writers whose inner spirits most fully exemplify what he calls “the American Sublime.”

        The “daemon” of the book title represents, in Bloom’s view, “the creative forces in an individual, which are deeper and more pervasive than what you might want to call the mere conscious. . . . The daemon is the creative spirit.”

        Who wants to guess how many trans-sexual Apaches are on his list?


        1. Ralph Waldo Emerson
        2. Emily Dickinson
        3. Nathaniel Hawthorne
        4. Herman Melville
        5. Walt Whitman
        6. Henry James
        7. Mark Twain
        8. Robert Frost
        9. Wallace Stevens
        10. T.S. Eliot
        11. William Faulkner
        12. Hart Crane

        To be fair, Faulkner was certainly *part* Chocktaw, and Hawthorne liked to dress up like a girl

        1. He hyped Pessoa and Rilke: the latter’s mother dressed him up as a girl, and the former had so many heteronyms (TW: hetero) that surely some of them calculate nonnegatively in the identity-matrix oppression manifold formula.

          1. English, motherfucker

            1. Que?

              1. sancta simplicitas

      2. If only there was some sort of technology that allows you to search for people and gather information. If that technology existed, then maybe you wouldn’t post such wrong information.

  4. There’s nothing wrong with providing a greater variety of courses for students, and if students want to read more female and minority authors, the English Department is welcome to oblige. But there’s only so much that can be done. There just aren’t that many early modern writers who were gay or transgender.

    Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon: in fact, that sounds like an excellent subject for a classroom discussion facilitated by a professor. But professors need to actually teach students about these pivotal figures before those discussions can be had.

    Robby, you’re feeding the fire. Stop hedging.

    1. Hey now – HE DIDN’T START THE FIRE! NO HE DIDN’T LIGHT IT BUT HE TRIED TO FIGHT IT!

    2. Yup. When I read;

      Students who continue on after taking the introductory sequence are ill-prepared to take higher-level courses relating to race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, nationality, ability, or even to engage with critical theory or secondary scholarship.

      My first thought wasn’t that the University had made a mistake in offering ‘Major English Poets’ as much as offering whatever critical racegendersexuality theory class at a higher-level was a mistake. It’s not like your general edumacation inherently gets higher or broader because racegendersexuality.

      1. Critical race theory. Basically the notion that white Europeans, as the spawn of Satan, deliberately made an eternal project to subject the peoples of color worldwide to subjugation and genocide, although why you would major in English instead of sociology for this content escapes me. But “Major English Poets” was only for English majors, not part of the general education of all students.

        1. Pardon my sloppy writing; here’s a second attempt: Critical race theory: The notion that white Europeans, as the spawn of Satan, undertook a grand project of subjugation and genocide against the world’s peoples of color, although how this pertains to English rather than sociology escapes me. But the English Poets course was for majors only, not required for other students.

  5. ‘We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.’

    Wait, are you or aren’t you finished speaking?

    Shouldn’t it be:

    We are speaking. Pay attention.

    [all the gobbly-gook in the petition]

    and then

    We have spoken.

    I mean, these are English majors, right?

    1. Stop showing your grammatical privilege.

      1. Yeah, total patriarch speech there, amirite?

    2. Devil’s advocate:

      Suppose your phone is acting up and you have called and written letters to no avail.

      Your next letter says “I have written. I am writing. Pay attention.”

      There’s undoubtedly a name for the grammar, but “have” is a continuing action, not a finished action.

      1. “have” is a continuing action, not a finished action.

        As a stand-alone verb, yes. “I have a car.”

        As a [don’t know term, either], no: “I have spoken” means you done already spoke, and are now finished.

        1. The term is, “verbal aspect,” which in both English and Russian (in which verbal aspect can be quite complex – Ukrainian handles verbs differently), and in this case (heh!), “I have spoken” is past tense, and perfect, meaning the action has been executed and completed some time ago (in this context in Russian, this is actually present perfect == the action has been completed in immediate, real time).

          1. Don’t get me started on Czech.

            1. Speaking of, I wonder what happened to PS == Prague Stepchild… He actually lives in my timeszone. I did like checking in with him.

              1. As I recall Snark Plissken was also an American expat living in Czechia. Haven’t seen him since shortly after he and Sevo got into a pissy dust up. Pity, I liked when Snark talked about food.

                1. Spasibo, and technically, Prague is an hour behind me. But I think you knew what I meant. When I first moved here, I had to plan my Reason time but posted fairly consistenly. Now, it’s just whenever I can. Marriage, kiddos, healing the sick, invading hordes….

                  1. Obligatory English to facilitate the post. Second sentence because the filter is a bigot. ??????. Also I got excited the other day when I heard a Czech person say something resembling ????, which also happens to almost be identical in Polish.

                    …And they say Cantonese is a “dialect.”

                    1. His blog is no longer open access as well. ???!

                    2. …And they say Cantonese is a “dialect.”

                      More so to perpetuate the cultural myth that China is and always has been one unified nation and society and that the modern Chinese are their sole direct heirs of a 5,000 ordered progression of history.

    3. How dare English majors actually read works from an Englishman?

  6. What? No love for Christopher Marlowe?

    “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices,” the students wrote in a petition to the faculty. “We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.”

    Shit, these insufferable ignorant little shits need a beating.

    /ruffles Robby’s hair.

    1. Wm Shakespeare wrote all his stuff. No need to cover it again under a different name.

  7. No poetry about men from Nantucket??

    1. No, they said fuck it.

      1. Those assholes who wrote the petition?

        They can suck it.

        1. With a corncob….

          And they can shuck it.

  8. “We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.”

    Well, when you choose to frame your requests in the most arrogant, snotty way imaginable… sure!

    When students are made to feel so alienated that they get up and leave the room

    I hope the English wing is near the safe spaces.

  9. “There just aren’t that many early modern writers who were gay or transgender.”

    Are you sure? Every English, Classics, and Humanities department in the country has spent the last 40 years making wildly speculative inferences and employing creative readings of texts to out every significant writer of the last 2,000 years as LBGTQ. It might be best for all involved to just cede the point, and then see if the university types can move onto a new topic for their scholarship.

    1. I have little doubt that a lot of those writers we think were straight, weren’t. That said, I was never one to demand literature from those “just like me”.

      1. The “Shakespeare was gay people” have a sad.

      2. Agreed, I think many great artists throughout were indeed LBGTQ. I just think English departments, my alma mater included, have followed this trail to a ludicrously indulgent degree.

    2. More importantly, why should anyone give a brass farthing?

      Maybe Shakespeare was gay. Maybe he wasn’t. That doesn’t change an iota of the quality of his work,

      Saint Augustine was likely black. Again, does that mean that white people can’t appreciate his writings.

      Seriously, people are judging the great minds of history like something out of a People magazine spread.

      1. Saint Augustine was likely black. Again, does that mean that white people can’t appreciate his writings.

        That Christian homophobe?! He should be consigned to the trashcan of history.

      2. That doesn’t change an iota of the quality of his work,

        Literature departments aren’t about the quality of an author’s work and haven’t been for a very long time.

        Almost every class is focused on race, gender, postcolonialism, or some other facet of cultural Marxism. When the course topic doesn’t fit comfortably, they will often shoehorn it in. I had a teacher who crammed Uncle Tom’s Cabin into a course on the Romantics so that he could opine most extensively about racism for a week.

        Every once in a while you’ll find a professor who will teach a course on Shakespeare or the Romantics without transforming the entire class into a leftist echo chamber, but those are often survey/core courses and generally viewed as unserious. It’s also hardly a safe zone for right-ish students; there is no such zone in the humanities at all.

        It’s virtually impossible for a conservative or classical liberal to survive more than a semester or two as a literature major. The discipline (academic, anyway) is all but dead as a meaningful outlet for civilization or art, though it’s doing very well breeding a whole generation of artists and critics who have basically spent their entire careers within an intellectual cult.

      3. If Saint Augustine was black, if you are white, and if you appreciate his writings, then you are culturally appropriating, and must stop immediately.

      4. St. Augustine was almost certainly not black according to the common understanding of the term. He was from North Africa – now Tunesia – and most likely looked like most Mediterranean people. The only black population of any significance to the Roman Empire at that time came from Ethiopia.

      5. A lot of White people seem to be discovering Sun Tzu these days.

        I got into African-American Literature in order to relate to students in the D.C. schools. I’ve found Carter Woodson, Maya Angelou, Ishmael Reed, Gwendolyn Brooks, and Thomas Sowell especially relevant.

        One way Anglo-Americans can refute this claim that we “only” respect old rich dead White writers: read the other ones too. C.S. Lewis actually did learn languages he’d never heard spoken, *just* to read foreign classics. We can at least read the minority American writers, and we should.

        That will still leave the 20th century writers with another century or so before they can really be said to belong, or not belong, in the same category with Chaucer, Milton, and Shakespeare…

    3. Wasn’t Byron a little fruity?

      1. He’s always come across like a 1970s rockstar like Jaggar or Bowie. Get fucked up and then fuck anything possible up to and including inanimate objects.

  10. Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon

    Sort of hard to do if you’ve never actually read them. (shrug)

    I once recall making the case that you could/should probably should take the Shakespeare entirely out of high-school

    (in my own HS you read a minimum of 2 plays – usually R&J or JC freshman year, then one of the histories – Henry V or Rich III – as a senior)

    But taking it out of an “English” major?…. no, not unless you change “English” to some other term meaning “I read some books” rather than the history/evolution of a language originating in England.

    I personally encourage these kiddies on their quest to wreck their own already mostly-valueless degrees.

    Its going to create a niche market for schools that promise to *ignore* this social-justice bullshit and actually market themselves for the quality of their education.

    1. Their degrees will be worthless because of evil corporations, not because of stuff like this.

    2. Yeah, I mean I could see a course about the great gay black poets of the 12th century. I just have a hard time seeing that as being part of English literature.

  11. or get up and leave the major

    The horror of too few English majors.

    1. well, of course. We all know that the world absolutely REQUIRES more people with English degrees.

      After all, who else is going to make poor, overpriced, coffee for us (well, the ‘studies’ people could, but they would spit in it).

  12. “When students are made to feel so alienated that they get up and leave the room, or get up and leave the major, something is wrong.”

    Sounds like things are working fine.

    I presume that after leaving the English Department they changed majors and went to the Physics Department? Why else are they still on campus?

    1. But the “something” that is “wrong” referenced in the quote above, is the students own mental health and intellectual capacity, not the content of the course they are refusing to learn.

      They need help, not catering to. It’s as if a psychoanalysts’ patient came to him and said “Doc, I think I’m a unicorn.” and the doctor replied “Would you like some hay? A horn sleeve, perhaps?”

  13. It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices

    No, it’s not. It’s their responsibility to educate students in a certain curriculum. Students who don’t like the curriculum can go somewhere else. But what am I saying. Everyone exists to cater to the whims of this generation.

    1. Student evaluations don’t help.

      1. I always thought those were ignored.

        1. In the words of my boss, “I don’t give a shit”.

          1. “I took this chance to study language, not study twerks and cummies.”

        2. Tenure committees tend to take them seriously – even while ignoring the ones from their own classes.

    2. Yeah, I thought it was the student’s responsibility to listen to their educators, not the other way around.

    3. The students are the customers, and the customer is always right. (Capitalism 101).
      If the students want English Literature to exclude the most literate Englishmen, then so be it.

      1. Or just keep the old curriculum, and rename it as “English Lit 101: Roots of the Patriarchy”

      2. The students are the customers, and the customer is always right.

        So if somebody walks into a Chevy dealership and says he really wants to buy a Ford, the dealership should switch teams?

        1. Depends.

          Is the customer a member of a victim class?

      3. Wrong!

        The customer *HAS* the right…(to request, place an order, make a claim, etc.)

        Otherwise, as a doctor and surgeon, if I listened *ONLY* to my patients complaints, and not my years of experience, my tests, and what the patient *ISN’* telling me (but the patient charts and HX does), I would be sued every other patient for malpractice.

        Just because someone can lie, commit fraud, or are flat out ignorant (knowledge deficit) does not make any customer right (correct).

      4. The students are the customers, and the customer is always right. (Capitalism 101).

        Here’s the thing tho –

        Yale has long had a reputation among university English departments (partly due to the influence of the aforementioned Harold Bloom) for retaining a curriculum which has heavy emphasis on the so-called “Western Canon”.

        Back in the 1990s, during the previous wave of PC-nuttery, Yale was something of a bulwark against the widespread trend of replacing traditional “English lit”/Dead White Men-courses into more open-ended, less text-heavy ‘world literature’ courses which emphasized po-mo theory/deconstructionism/gender studies etc. Even if you DID read ‘classics’ it was purely for the purpose of decoding racial/class biases.

        Yale – afaik – has retained this more-traditional approach, and is chosen by students *for this very reason*.

        If students are honestly looking for a different experience, then they should transfer, because almost *anywhere* else would suit their demands.

        But I’m pretty sure that’s not their point – they’re going after Yale precisely because its had this reputation, and they see them as a stubborn holdout.

        In my mind, the customer here is wrong: they are free to choose where to study, but its the schools call on how to market & differentiate themselves.

      5. The students are the customers, and the customer is always right. (Capitalism 101).

        Here’s the thing tho –

        Yale has long had a reputation among university English departments (partly due to the influence of the aforementioned Harold Bloom) for retaining a curriculum which has heavy emphasis on the so-called “Western Canon”.

        Back in the 1990s, during the previous wave of PC-nuttery, Yale was something of a bulwark against the widespread trend of replacing traditional “English lit”/Dead White Men-courses with more open-ended, less text-heavy ‘world literature’ courses which emphasized po-mo, feminist lit theory / post-structuralism/deconstructionism /marxist critiques etc. Even if you DID read ‘classics’ it was purely for the purpose of decoding racial/class biases.

        Yale – afaik – always retained a more-traditional approach, and was often chosen by students *for this very reason*.

        If students are honestly looking for a different experience, then they should transfer, because almost *anywhere* else would suit their demands.

        But I’m pretty sure that’s not their point – they’re going after Yale precisely because its has had this reputation, and they see them as a stubborn holdout.

        In my mind, the customer here is wrong: they are free to choose where to study, but its the schools call on how to market & differentiate themselves.

        1. @*#&$@ squirrels

      6. The students parents, the Federal government, the alumni, and the endowment funds are the customers

        FTFY

        How many students pay their way through Yale?

      7. “The students are the customers, and the customer is always right.”

        There are too many exceptions to that. If you order a hamburger, you have no valid complaint when they don’t bring you a steak. When you pay the entry fee to a race, you have no guarantee that you’ll win.

        In education, you’re admitting from the beginning that there’s some skill or knowledge that you lack. You may not know enough to intelligently decide just what you need to know. You’re paying for the *opportunity* to learn it. If you’re talking about taking guitar lessons for your own enjoyment, you can decide when you’ve learned enough. If you’re talking about any subject that requires you to master a body of knowledge and earn some sort of certification (like a college degree), then you must defer to whoever designed the curriculum and developed the testing.

  14. Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon

    No. They should be mocked, ridiculed and kicked out of the English Department.

    1. Perhaps the English Department should provide a response in iambic pentameter, just to rub it in a little.

      1. That’s Greek to me.

    2. Thanks, SIV. What I was thinking, too.

      You wanna design an English Major curriculum? Start your own university, or work your way up to head of department.

      As a student, you, by definition, don’t know enough to even participate in a conversation about how the curriculum should be designed.

      1. It’s a deconstructionist world RC.

    3. A-fuckin’-men!

  15. There’s nothing wrong with providing a greater variety of courses for students, and if students want to read more female and minority authors, the English Department is welcome to oblige. But there’s only so much that can be done. There just aren’t that many early modern writers who were gay or transgender.

    Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon: in fact, that sounds like an excellent subject for a classroom discussion facilitated by a professor. But professors need to actually teach students about these pivotal figures before those discussions can be had.

    Where’s a Soave post without a mealymouthed defense of the SJWs he’s attacking?

    1. It’s like he hopes they’ll think more highly of him if he does that, despite the historical precedent of the gruesome fate awaiting those whose agreement with them was less than 100%, and/or inadequately subservient.

  16. “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices,”

    Some educators need to have their ass beat if they’ve failed so miserably at their job that they’ve got college-age students who have no idea what an educator’s responsibility is and what a student’s responsibility is. It’s your responsibility as an educator to teach the kids how little they know and how little they deserve to be listened to and how much they need to shut the hell up and listen to people who know more than they do. If you’re at a point where the students are openly claiming to know more than the masters and the masters are actually listening to the students? Yeah, the system ain’t worth saving because there’s nothing of value there any more. Why the hell would a student pay good money to go to a college where they already know more than the teachers and why the hell should we be paying teachers if they know less than the students? Shitcan the whole project.

    1. + infinity internet points for basic logic.

  17. It’s time for the English major to decolonize ? not diversify ? its course offerings.

    So the mask is off, again?

    1. Is that even a coheren t thought in English?

      1. As far I can tell it means “Less White Men”.

        1. “Fewer”

    2. ‘Decolonize’ has to be in the running for Most Idiotic Invented Word of 2016.

      1. Well it’s been around a while. I haven’t really heard it used in this context before though…

        1. Language mission-creep: “decolonization” as descriptor of events in the 1950s & 1960s is spot-on.

          1. Only if you allow “spot-on” to be a synonym of “roughly”; “decolonization” is accurate in the same way “decriminalization” is accurate with regard to slightly loosened drug laws.

            Never mind that there are French and American troops scattered across Africa right now, a good many of the countries in Africa are to various degrees dependent on “foreign aid”, and none too few have systems of “decolonized” government that would make King Leopold II blush.

    3. Stop triggering me, bro–until this very moment I had forgotten the horrors of being forced to read portions of the post-colonialist cannon as part of an undergrad course in western civ. From Stephane Mallarme and TS Elliot to Franzt fucking Fanon in the course of 2-3 lectures. Still SMH….

  18. So they will be managing the robots at Mickey D’s and be terribly miseducated in their field.

    1. but mah toni morrison…

    1. In a brilliant piece for Slate

      STFU, I can’t even.

    2. I love how saying that black guys can’t understand Shakespeare would have until recently been regarded as racist, and guys like Gates would have had to deal with that sentiment, but now it is the PC thing.

    3. it’s… racist whether it comes out of a black mouth or a white mouth.

      Smh, Gates just proved their point. He’s read so much Shakeaspear that he never learned that racism = discrimination + power, and so a black mouth on a black body can’t say racist things.

  19. “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices,” the students wrote in a petition to the faculty. “We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.”

    How so? You’re students. You’re there to learn from people who know more than you.

    Granted, this is not as presumptuous as the Intro Econ students at Harvard trying to tell Greg Mankiw how to teach economics. Still, you’re students. It’s presumed that you’re not authorities on the subject.

    1. So if a bunch of students wanted to be taught that blacks, gays and trannies should be killed than that would be fine, right?

      1. So if a bunch of students wanted to be taught that blacks, gays and trannies should be killed than that would be fine, right?

        Setting aside the fact that that’s a wildly disparate analogy to make. If they were taking classes at Nazi University, presumably yes, they should shut up and listen if they came to that university as students and not professors.

    2. I don’t know, I watched about 2 minutes of the Yale “Intro to Constitutional Law” class on Coursera and decided I had nothing to learn there because the Prof insisted that the founders were adamant that the Constitution was written with the understanding that states gave up their right to secede by signing it. I’m no authority, but I want a discussion, not an indoctrination into one school of thought.

      1. If they were so adamant, why didn’t they so pen?

        Tom Woods and Prof. DiLorenzo have frequently eviscerated that disguised defecation.

        1. They did pen it, they penned the opposite side of the argument when they said that any powers not specifically granted to the feds were reserved to the states and the people. Falling under the umbrella of “all other conceivable powers” is one called ‘secession’. It makes no fucking sense that in a country founded on the very principle of the righteousness of secession, that there would exist some unwritten prohibition against it.

          I roundly deny the existence of an eternal god state coming into existence as a result of the Declaration, the Articles or the Constitution.

          1. There wasn’t an unwritten prohibition. The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union explicitly specified in Article XIII that “the Union shall be perpetual”.

            You can, of course, plausibly argue that when the Constitution was adopted, and especially after the Tenth Amendment was adopted, its silence on the matter overrode the explicit statement of the Articles.

            1. You can, of course, plausibly argue that when the Constitution was adopted, and especially after the Tenth Amendment was adopted, its silence on the matter overrode the explicit statement of the Articles.

              I wouldn’t argue that.

              I would rather argue that the several states that specifically stated their reservation of the right to secede when they ratified the forming of a confederate state that would be presumed to persist beyond the Revolutionary War, mainly for facilitating the more immediate goal of winning the war.

              I would proceed from there to point out that regardless, the Articles are legally and philosophically irrelevant and that it’s successor makes no such claim in form or substance while yet it’s precursor remains a philosophically relevant document that is predicated on the natural right of secession.

              Then I would revisit the sticky bit about “enumerated powers” once more to really sink my hooks in my opponent.

        2. There’s a ton of ancillary writings by the Founders about the Constitution. I don’t believe any of them discussed secession as something that states weren’t allowed to do.

          Back in the day, the states were pretty damn sovereign on their own two feet. I suspect telling a bunch of guys who had just led the states in seceding from a central power, that the states have no authority to secede from a central power, wouldn’t have gone over well.

          1. My opinion is that a reservation of a right to withdraw… is a conditional ratification… Compacts must be reciprocal… The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever. It has been so adopted by the other States.
            ??James Madison, letter to Alexander Hamilton (July 20, 1788)

            1. Interesting. Thanks. Note that his right to withdraw is implied and thus preserved in the Constiitution. And it’s not clear to me that a terminal contract is a conditional contract, as he states.

              1. It’s not clear to me that any contract could be anything but a conditional contract.

  20. No mention of W.B. Yeats? Wait until Ireland hears about this…

    1. That’d be in the Irish Literature class.

  21. Um, Yale has ‘studies departments, right? Maybe those poor, fragile things would be happier with their own sorts.

  22. So, let me get this right. The language of the Anglo-Saxon people, which was spoken pretty much exclusively (as a native language) by Anglo Saxon people for thousands of years, is top-heavy with poets who are Anglo Saxons?

    1. Yes. It’s unfair that English is a language and it’s unfair that white Europeans spoke it and it’s unfair that they had a culture of their own and it’s unfair that they didn’t outsource their cultural production to gay tranny Bantu tribesmen. So bigoted. So problematic. So unfair.

      1. it’s unfair that they didn’t outsource their cultural production to gay tranny Bantu tribesmen

        I’m pretty sure Broadway is a thing.

        1. That is awesome.

      2. Imagine their reaction to a Japanese cinema course where all the directors and 90+% of the actors are Japanese.

    2. Language of the /English/ people.

      The language/poetry of the Anglo-Saxons is like

      Hw?t! We Gar-Dena in gear-dagum
      ?eod-cyninga, ?rym gefrunon,
      hu ?a ??elingas ellen fremedon!

      1. Yes, EBS, I know. I was writing for effect, not accuracy.

      2. The language/poetry of the Anglo-Saxons WAS like

        FTFY

        Languages evolve.

      3. Doesn’t all that stuff translate to:

        I’ll kill ya if ye look at mah cows
        Or touch mah mead
        Or mah woman.

        ?

  23. Yale is named after an colonialist white man who was accused of corruption and was involved with the slavetrade. Time to rename it.

    1. I vote for Fuck-Tard “U” ….

      Ffffuuuuuuuucccckkkkk U! Win,win,win!

      ^ This would be the rally cry during not competitive, no winner, friendly competition with the Univeristy of Fucksticks.

        1. It’s not about the content, it’s about the skin color of the author you cishet shitlord.
          Besides, white people aren’t allowed to have opinions on these things. It just leads to more whitesplaining.

          1. I’m waiting for the day when it’s un-PC to not advocate the outright genocide of white people. Let’s just get it over with already.

            1. I’m waiting for the day when it’s un-PC to not advocate the outright genocide of white people.

              Ack, the attack of the double negative!

              If you mean, “I am waiting for the day when it’s PC to advocate the outright genocide of while people,” (assuming in the USA – in some other countries this actually happens on a daily basis), that ship has already sailed.

              The bigger fish to fry, apparently, are wholesale cultural upheaval/replacement, reparations, and good old-fashioned, “Get Even-ism.”

              1. No I meant it how I said it. “un-” being a prefix does not necessarily a double negative make.
                What I’m saying is, “I’m waiting for the day when it’s inappropriate to not actually be in favor in a concerted effort to eradicate white people, not just that it would be appropriate or acceptable to do so.” But you know, shorter.

                I know in South Africa it happens and in Zimbabwe until there were too few left to persecute and even fewer economic producers to steal from.

            2. “while” == “white”

  24. “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices”

    Umm, no, it’s their job to educate you little twats, though I doubt it’s possible, it’s still their job to try.

  25. Just give in to your hateful heart Robby. It’s okay, you’re alt-right. Own it Robby. It will be OK.

  26. The problem with the student’s demands is that, while there is a huge /wealth/ of non-white poets out there, with great, epic poetry of their own (Rumi could wipe the floor with Shakespeare in a poetry fight), the greatest non-white poets simply didn’t write their poetry in English, and thus have no place in an English degree. It’s not surprising that, when majoring in the /language/ invented by pasty Englishmen, the writers you are made to study are by majority pasty Englishmen!!

    If you want to study good, non-white poetry, maybe try majoring in Persian instead. You chose to study a language of pasty white people, it’s only YOUR fault that most of the writers who use that language are pasty white people.

    1. Damn it who would have thought that English writing would have written by a bunch of English people and they would be white back in a time when few non-whites spoke or wrote in English.

    2. Blue Sky doing that would require learning Persian and that is hard. You can’t expect people to actually learn foreign languages and understand other cultures. No, these are special upper class white and brown people. Their job is to lecture other people about cultures they know nothing about.

      Didn’t you know that?

    3. They don’t want to study English. They want to turn studying English into social justice analyses of class and race, get paid for protesting, etc. GLWT.

  27. In a brilliant piece for Slate, Katy Waldman eviscerates the idea that non-white students have nothing to learn from dead white poets:

    I’m not sure her argument qualifies as ‘brilliant’ when it contains this:

    Although you’ve written that the English department “actively contributes to the erasure of history,” what it really does is accurately reflect the tainted history we have?one in which straight white cis-men dominated art-making for centuries

    Just because she lays out a common sense argument in fucktarded lingo that fucktards can wrap their sheltered little heads around doesn’t make the argument brilliant. In fact, since she accepts the underlying assumptions of said fucktards, she negates any purported brilliance contained in that argument. It’s just a really a statement of fact that should be apparent to any non-retards that is custom worded for social justice retards.

    1. one in which straight white cis-men dominated art-making for centuries

      2500 years of activity from female artists, poets, and writers in the West starting with, say, Sappho is chopped liver?

      1. The subject is /English Poetry/. Not a lot of ancient/medieval female English poets.

        1. I assumed that her particular point was intended to be global. Regardless, there are plenty of English poetesses, as poetry and music were part of any noblewoman’s education. Mary Wroth, Mary Sidney (who was by contemporary accounts placed in the same circle as Shakespeare and Spenser) Anne Ley, Anne Bradstreet, Aphra Behn, the various Cavendishes, on and on…it’s not that difficult to find them to be honest. And with someone like Phillis Wheatley, you get a two-fer.

          1. there are plenty of English poetesses

            Look, you don’t know what oppression it is to be made to attend Yale! The suffering is beyond what you can imagine, privileged shitlord!

          2. While Phillis Whitney probably wrote the best poems ever written in English by a foreign-born teenager, and deserves study for that alone, the case can be made that putting her poems next to Shakespeare’s makes minority and female students feel bad too. Even putting them next to Mary Sidney’s or Anne Bradstreet’s might suggest that, oh dear, poor writers don’t bloom as early or sound as sophisticated as rich writers.

            At some point one has to start saying “Bosh.”

        2. She’s sure making a lot of assumptions with that “straight cis-men” label, isn’t she?

      2. To hear these people tell it, all non-white males in Western civilization were always kept locked up in the basement and only let out to be periodically raped and tortured. Getting back to reality, I for one, am impressed with how well the litany of contemporary victim groups were treated in the West relative to basically everywhere else.

      3. What did Sappho ever write in English?

        -jcr

        1. What did Sappho ever write in English?

          Go to Pornhub and find out.

        2. Quite popular with Mentats

    2. While it does not “taint” history, and it’s not clear they were all straight, is she wrong that men dominated the professional production of art in the English-speaking world before 1800?

      1. is she wrong that men dominated the professional production of art in the English-speaking world before 1800?

        Of course not. Never said she was. What isn’t clear is the unspoken assertion that English white cis-men sailed the globe to prevent other societies from writing shit down and producing cultural works of their own. Fact is, the market for English speaking cultural works preferred English producers. I don’t see the great crime that is supposedly evidenced by the existence of Shakespeare.

        1. I don’t see any connection to the stupid “colonizing” complaint in that bit. She’s just saying, in the usual proggy over-the-top way, that men got to do most of the cool stuff back then. She even narrows it down to the stifling attitudes in Chaucer’s time and place. The Brits did not have much of an empire in 1380.

    3. I read that line as: a brilliant piece when grading on the scale of Slate

      Not: A brilliant piece written for Slate.

  28. Why can’t they just start their own book clubs studying whoever the fuck they want? It’s free, too.
    If they want a piece of paper saying they graduated, just print one up. It’ll be just as valuable.
    If I pay for some training in something like auto repair, I get the diploma based on the standards of whatever the school sets. If I don’t like it I don’t have to go.

    1. Because they’re leftists. They must force their choice onto everyone else or it doesn’t count. Nothing voluntary. Everything compelled.

      1. The only way you can tell if something is important, is whether somebody will force you to do it.

        I mean, if they won’t even hold a gun to your head, how important can it be?

  29. We ask that Major English Poets be abolished

    Of course, you assholes can’t be satisfied with an alternative course or opt-out option. No, it needs to be abolished altogether. Sorry if you went to Yale specifically to study Milton and Pope with others; such a class would make you unprepared for Critical Race Theory later in life!

    1. That’s what really rankles.

  30. If their wishes are granted, watch them screech about cultural appropriation.

    1. I’ve seen people arguing that Africans wearing Western clothing isn’t cultural appropriation but imperialism by the West. Of course this glosses over the fact that they are keeping colonialist trappings.

      1. Oh yeah for sure. If we like African music, it’s cultural appropriation. If they like Fiddy, it’s cultural domination.

        Enjoy your boiled potato if you’re of European descent. No fajita enchiladas with salsa verde for you. Snowflake has spoken. Now let’s get some muscle over here.

        1. potatoes are from South America……..jus’ sayin’

  31. Of course they overlook the fact that reason so many non-whites speak English is due to English Imperialism and American influence.

  32. Sounds very similar to another group of students who protested violently against non-German curriculum that had been distorted through Enlightenment values, and Jewish science.

  33. Jesus, who the fuck is sitting on the undergrad admissions committee at Yale these days? Look what they’re settling for when they screw over all the Asian kids who actually earned a spot at Yale.

    -jcr

    1. People who think just like these retards.

      1. Asians are privileged, mmkay? Otherwise they’d stop showing off by getting such high scores in STEM classes. If they keep it up, they’re going to be as much of the problem as whitey. The yellow peril is real!

    2. Who runs Yale?, you ask.

      We are the hollow men
      We are the stuffed men
      Leaning together
      Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
      Our dried voices, when
      We whisper together
      Are quiet and meaningless
      As wind in dry grass
      Or rats’ feet over broken glass
      In our dry cellar

      1. Stop beating up straw men.

  34. “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices,”

    lulz

    1. They can’t even make a decent demand. Instead of just saying “Yale needs to ban the study of white poets” they have to say “listen to student voices” because God forbid they write anything that is direct or doesn’t sound creepy as fuck. Progressivism really is a cult.

      1. The demands are jejune and more or less what you’d expect from leftist dim bulbs. The abuse of the language is the truly appalling part.

        1. It makes you wish for the old 60s commie radicals. Say what you want about Abbie Hoffman but at least he could speak in coherent sentences.

          1. The Left once had Steinbeck, you know?

            1. They seem to have devolved into some kind of feral state. It is kind of scary.

              1. I’ve been reading Mencken lately. What I wouldn’t give to get his thoughts on the current state of our campuses.

                I suspect it wouldn’t be complimentary.

                1. I have to start reading Mencken. The summer home his family had and he supposedly spent a lot of time at is a few minutes walk from where I live. He described it as primeval forest, and that’s pretty much what I see outside my patio doors here, right now.

                  There has been several radio station documentaries on local radio stations I’ve listened to about Mencken that I enjoyed, but I’ve never read anything that he’s wrote.

                  But yeah, it’s very clear that the guy is not politically correct at all, just the opposite. I really started liking him just listening to those radio shows. He would definitely be at odds with the smug aging Prius driving yuppies that are so common here now.

                  1. I’ve been working my way through his memoirs. He was a truly gifted writer, but these are also funny as hell.

                    1. (cue winston mentioning the Kaiser)

                  2. He was quite fond of the Kaiser, Bismarck and Ludendorff too.

            2. We’ve traded the grapes of wrath for the wrath of the retards.

              1. Okie +

        2. Jejune is a good adjective.

          1. He said everything is messed up around here, everything is banal and jejune
            There is a planetary conspiracy against the likes of you and me in this idiot constituency of the moon
            Well, he knew exactly who to blame
            And we call upon the author to explain

            Prolix! Prolix! Nothing a pair of scissors can’t fix!

            1. Its so nice to be insane,
              no one asks you to explain,
              radio by his side,
              Nicky baby.

              Some great prose he’s got there. I wonder what Agile Cyborg thinks of him?

  35. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_for_art‘s_sake

    Contemporary postcolonial African writers such as Leopold Senghor and Chinua Achebe have criticised the slogan as being a limited and Eurocentric view on art and creation. In “Black African Aesthetics”, Senghor argues that “art is functional” and that “in black Africa, ‘art for art’s sake’ does not exist.” Achebe is more scathing in his collection of essays and criticism entitled Morning Yet on Creation Day, where he asserts that “art for art’s sake is just another piece of deodorised dog shit” (sic).

    1. Contemporary postcolonial African writers

      Aren’t all contemporary African writers post-colonial?

      1. Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou, and Amiri Baraka agree.

      2. You’re expecting progtards to know history. That’s the thing that drives them in their safe spaces.

  36. They’re just showing how tolerant they are. These classes celebrate intolerance, exclusiveness, and inequality. Anyone who disagrees must actively oppose tolerance, inclusiveness, and equality. So they’ve already won the argument. If you disagree then you have bad intentions, and aren’t worth listening to. La la la la they can’t hear you.

    1. Tolerant and objectively brilliant. They’ll *prove* that various under-represented and/or oppressed groups *were* equal by inserting arbitrary representatives into the canon retroactively for any ability remotely resembling writing.

  37. How many students have actually signed this petition?

    It’s fun to mock these arrogant twats, but let’s have some perspective.

    1. Part of the problem is 6 SJW douches get listened to, if not outright pandered to by schools well the sane students are told to go to Hell.

  38. Now see, all this PC nonsense is why I support Trump. Who is, incidentally, a great poet himself.

    “you knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”

  39. The “Major English Poets” sequence…cover[s]…Alexander Pope”

    In that case, Yale already has ableism covered.

    I guess those students were too busy walking out of their classes to notice this.

  40. I think there’s a simple cure for this. Since the chilluns have to tell the profs how to teach and what they can and cannot teach, let’s just eliminate these places of hate and bigotry altogether. They’re rape cages anyway, that only make people feel afraid and unsafe. Let’s shut them all down now and the special snowflakes can teach themselves, as only they know how to do it right anyway. And don’t worry, after each snowflake tells us they have completed their edumencation with their desired degree title (they totally get to make this up), we will send them little plaques with their name, custom degree title, 5 gold stars and a happy emoji printed on it. AND IT’S FUCKING FREE!

    1. You’re in the ballpark but nah, get rid of the profs, let the students create their own curriculum, but still charge them full price. You can’t put a value on a degree from Yale.

      I’m sure there are a few jobs available for professional bellyachers. Not sure how many, though, and I’d make some crack about minimum wage work being available but any 19 year old manager of a McDonalds will know not to touch any of these dumb jagoffs with a ten meter cattle prod.

  41. Re Waldman’s response: Though correct, I wouldn’t even give them that.

    How can a college/univ that consistently ranks among the top in the world have such ignorant minds in its ranks?

    That’s the question. Is this the direction of where we’re headed? I’ll tell you what, if they think they’re somehow doing a service to literature I contend it’s the opposite. They’re only hastening the fall of Western achievement in the arts. I see nothing good in this because it’s not about literature. It’s about bull shit.

    1. You are right. At this point, we would be better off closing down the universities.

      1. They’re only hastening the fall of Western achievement in the arts.

        That’s the idea. It’s just not fair that there is all this Western achievement. It’s not fair. To make things equal, everything must be forced down to the lowest common denominator. That’s true equality and fairness.

        1. Whoops, that was to the roofy.

        2. Why white man have more cargo?

          1. Hedy Lamarr?

            1. That’s Hedley!

    2. Slimming the universities, yes.

      Certain departments can be deemed…dispensable. Including Residence Life, because they should expect a combination of commuter and online students.

  42. Why are they learning poetry anyways. They don’t need to know that to polish my monocles or work in my diamond mines.

    1. Because when utopia arrives and there are no jobs, they can be artists and poets… as soon as their daily 14 hour wait in the bread lines is over.

  43. I find these stories just depressingly stupid. I’ve stopped reading most in this genre. I don’t know why I read this one.

    I know we’re here for the comments, but I don’t find any joy or illumination in flogging these mental midgets. They’re idiots. I get it. Now what?

    1. Well, in the near future some of these students are going to join the CIA and start a war – most likely one versus England – so there is that.

      1. Or, they could teach.

      2. With a little luck the Brits would burn Washington again. If so I’d say we were square for saving their asses from Germany, twice.

  44. No one knows who wrote Beowulf so it could have been a trans-gendered woman Viking slave from North Africa. I think that should be okay.

    1. North Africans weren’t slaves, they *took* slaves.

      1. Are you saying North Africans weren’t smart enough to save money with locally sourced labor??

        1. He’s probably saying that they took millions of slaves from Europe, sometimes taking entire villages into brutal captivity never to be heard from again. Just going out on a limb…

  45. (TRIGGER WARNING)

    “Oh, she doth teach the torches to burn bright!
    It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night
    Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope’s* ear,
    Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear.”

    (Romeo and Juliet, Act I, Scene 5)

    “The devil damn thee black, thou cream-faced loon!”

    (Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 3)

    “Let fools do good, and fair men call for grace.
    Aaron will have his soul black like his face.”

    (Titus Andronicus, Act III, Scene 1)

    1. And worse…much worse if you happen to be female. You learn to take it with a grain of salt. Most of the hatespews in English literature (though by no means all of them!) come from characters whose authors meant them to be obnoxious, and even when the authors themselves were doing the hating, er um, y’know…they’re *dead*!

  46. Students with brains – AND PAYING THEIR OWN WAY – that didn’t like a University’s curriculum would up and leave and take their business to a school that offered exactly the curriculum they desire.

    The students want the 100+ years of white-male-hetero-created cachet that goes with “Yale” printed on their sheepskins though. Of course, part of that historical cachet was based on not letting pieces of shit like this into the school.

    1. “Of course, part of that historical cachet was based on not letting pieces of shit like this into the school.”

      It was based on admitting only pieces of shit from wealthy families, and holding scholarship students (and Jewish students) to higher standards.

  47. they don’t think it should feature so many English poets who were straight…

    Oscar Wilde?

    …white, wealthy, and male.

    Oops, sorry.

    1. When I think of the term “poet,” the term “wealthy” immediately leaps to mind.

      /sarc

    2. By my count, Oscar Wilde was straight, white, and male. He was quite successful (well, until he was imprisoned), so he might well qualify as wealthy during the peak of his career a well.

    3. Oscar Wilde was definitely white and male. Probably wealthy, for a time, as well, as he was hugely popular and successful.

      1. I’m glad you amended that. “Straight Oscar Wilde” is what some call a “syntax error”.

        1. Or a wonderful new handle.

          *scribbles on notepad*

  48. Hey, did you see John Milton’s new poem?

    Neither did he!

    1. Q: What do you call John Milton and Ray Charles playing tennis?

      A: Endless love!

      Q: How do you know your girlfriend is ugly?

      A: When he makes John Milton flinch!

      1. Does Alexander Pope know the solution to Fermat’s Last Theorem?

        No, but he has a hunch!

  49. Congratulations proggies, we have a generation of people babbling incoherent shit, unable to think. If it were up to me I would put every goddamned one of you up against a wall.

    1. Ok, that’s considered a macro-aggression, right?

    2. Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?

      1. There’s one smoking a joint!

        And another with spots!

      2. There’s one smoking a joint!

        And another with spots!

        1. Look Squireelz, Tundra isn’t feeling well. He stayed back at the hotel.

  50. Shakespeare’s works dealt with human themes that have universal appeal. When Kurosawa applied them to films set in feudal Japan, the Shakespearean motif was not lost because the actors were not white.

    Setting aside the obvious fact that these kids are ignorant philistines, two things to consider –

    (1) These kids most likely do not actually READ anything in their spare time. At all. In the real world, the marketplace is rife with choices. I’m bilingual and read all kinds of things in my native language. I even occasionally watch movies with subtitles (no whites!) which usually go to die in America. How strange, in a land that claims to love “diversity”….. so strange.

    (2) The diversity rage is mostly an American phenomenon. For example, no one in Asia cares about “whitewashing”. 30 year old females in China probably squealed when Leo got his first AA. Everyone here lost their collective minds when ScarJo was picked as the lead for the new Ghost in the Shell movie. In Japan, “who cares, it’s just anime”

    We’re dealing with a bunch of Don Quixotes here. They charge furiously against windmills that no one else can see.

    1. Let’s not forget the timeless remake of Hamlet known throughout the world as Strange Brew.

    2. Shouldn’t someone like Emma Stone play every female anime character?

      It’s weird that anime features characters with such large, expressive eyes. Maybe they’re based on dogs.

      1. They’re trying to make the girls look American instead of Japanese and they overcompensate.

      2. Large, expressive–sometimes inhumanly so–“lotus eyes” are to “beauty” in Indian pop culture what “blonde” is in U.S. pop culture.

      3. Early artists took inspiration from Disney. Nowadays, there are differing art styles, some basically close to normal; some more cartoonish.

    3. Everyone can see the windmills as windmills except for the Quixotes who see them as fierce enemies.

  51. When Shakespeare’s plays were performed during his life, weren’t most of the female parts played by men?

    There’s your angle, people! Shakespeare is LGBT-friendly!

    1. Fuck Charles II misogynist transphobia.

      1. And his wish to fuck any female actress in arms reach.

  52. There was a young barmaid from Yale,
    On whose bust was written the prices of ale;
    And on her behind
    For the sake of the blind
    Was exactly the same, but in braille.

    1. So…John Milton could have gone to Yale?

      /milking the joke

  53. Venture capitalists experiment with a basic income scheme.

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    Y Combinator initially said that it wanted to pay basic income to a group of people over a five-year period and study the effects, but now the company has changed course. It will begin the research with a short-term study in Oakland, Y Combinator announced in a blog post: “Our goal will be to prepare for the longer-term study by working on our methods ? how to pay people, how to collect data, how to randomly choose a sample, etc.” Depending on how the pilot goes, Y Combinator may continue with the longterm study.

    At least they aren’t lobbying government (yet).

    1. Bullshit. I used the href tag properly.

      Here: http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/…..n-oakland/

    2. My prediction:

      Most likely outcome: failure. But they’ll fail upward and claim that it would have worked if the government did it and/or “the rich” chipped in more.

      Less likely, but possible outcome: “success”, narrowly defined. They’ll impose some standards for people to receive their “basic income” (so, not a universal basic income) and/or the program will only “work” because a small number of people go on to produce large amounts of wealth (so, nothing new).

      Although the people behind Y Combinator are a little smarter and less dogmatic than the mouth-breathers at Hacker News. Maybe the idea will be put to rest after seeing what happens.

  54. RE: Yale Students Tell English Profs to Stop Teaching English: Too Many White Male Poets
    ‘We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.’

    “We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.”

    Translation: Change our diapers. Feed us. Burp us.
    Or we will cry, pout and make your life miserable.

  55. Why are these forward leaning warriors of justice not pursuing protest and adversity activist degrees and instead turning to these institutionalized racists degrees like English? It sounds like Yale curriculum is severely lacking!

  56. There once were some students at Yale
    Who detested all things white and male
    They demanded their bards
    Be abolished
    Those tards!
    And now at all things they do fail

  57. It’s an ENGLISH class for crying out loud. Of course the poets who shaped the English language are almost exclusively white.

    In fact poets of color who use the English language are actually engaging in cultural appropriation.

    1. Consider what would happen at Beijing University if students protested that the Chinese poetry curriculum was dominated by dead Chinese men, or at University of Mexico if they protested that its Spanish poetry curriculum was dominated by dead Hispanic men, or at King Saud University if they protested that its Islamic poetry curriculum was dominated by dead Arab men.

      The proposition is palpably ridiculous.

  58. There once was a writer so fair
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    1. well done

    2. A writer named vaguely Hispanic
      With hair flowing wild and manic
      Let his purple prose flow
      Because he happened to know
      His readers would keep posting in panic

      1. A youth with illustrious mane
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        1. You win this round….

          1. Disagree, Susan…

            Gilmore(tm) is clever, but his metre is *way off* to be a limerick (this being an English Lit thread, no?).

            Yours is *much closer*…

            1. Thanks. But I’m 1/3d Irish so I’m cheating a bit 😉

            2. I agree. beats-per-line changed in 3&4 to non-standard limericking

              i spent 30 seconds wondering if i could fix it then decided my give-a-shit-scale was insufficient.

  59. Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon

    *Pour hisself a cup of cocoa, don’s bunny slippers and onesie*

    Joe Montana doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.

    1. Joe Mantegna, however…. he was a pro

    2. “Joe Montana doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.”

      You shut your goddamn whore mouth! Joe Montana is someone whom I’ve always personally admired, perhaps more deeply, more strongly, more abjectly than ever before. A man… well, more than a man, a god, a great god, whose personality is so totally and utterly wonderful my feeble words of welcome sound wretchedly and pathetically inadequate. Someone whose boots I would gladly lick clean until holes wore through my tongue, a man who is so totally and utterly wonderful, that I would rather be sealed in a pit of my own filth than dare tread on the same stage with him!

  60. Students should feel comfortable challenging the notion that a Shakespeare or a Milton deserves his place in the canon

    *Pour hisself a cup of cocoa, don’s bunny slippers and onesie*

    Joe Montana doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.

  61. “I know! Let’s use affirmative action to get more minorities into elite schools! What could possibly go wrong?”

  62. “The English department loses out when talented students…”

    Purveyors of Derp = talent?

  63. The English department loses out when talented students engaged in literary and cultural analysis are driven away from the major.

    Ergo we need to hire more right-wing literature professors? Works for me.

    1. Are “right-wing literature professors” even a thing?

      1. I wouldn’t call myself right-wing, but some do. All we need is a university that’ll let me work my way to a Ph.D.!

      2. In my experience, linguistics professors tend to be fairly conservative. They aren’t exactly “literature professors,” but they usually wind up in English departments.

  64. This is another attempt to establish black supremacy, with the assistance of other colored minorities as long as they recognize black rule, in educational institutions.
    These students have no values except the desires to destroy Western Civilization.

    1. carlsanti65|6.1.16 @ 10:18PM|#
      “This is another attempt to establish black supremacy, with the assistance of other colored minorities as long as they recognize black rule, in educational institutions.
      These students have no values except the desires to destroy Western Civilization.”

      Sarc or needs GPS coordinates for Stormfront.

  65. The thought that their pet topics weren’t really terribly important to historical English’s wordsmithing faculty of geniuses has not occurred to these retards.

    Also, what is the goddamn fucking deal with SJWtards and progtards being obsessed with dividing people into ever more ridiculously narrow categories?

    1. Spoken like an obvious MRA PUA

  66. This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. As long as companies continue to hire graduates of these Universities, the insanity will continue..

    1. I doubt a Yale undergrad English degree qualifies you for a lot of corporate jobs, other than maybe receptionist or office boy. It mostly qualifies you for government employment and teaching.

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  68. Fools. Everyone knows there are no straight poets.

  69. or even to engage with critical theory or secondary scholarship

    People would do well to remember that “critical theory” is another name for neo-Marxism.

  70. They should stop teaching period. Just warehouse them at $70,000 a year.

  71. We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.

    The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

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  76. Dude, you are obsessed with this inconsequential non-sense. There were 160 signatures on this petition.

    You spend your time making people freak out over stupid freshman, while practically ignoring the fact that half the population has chosen to completely ignore academic and scientific consensus on things like climate change.

    If you don’t believe you’re backing Trump, you clearly don’t understand what drives his support.

    1. while practically ignoring the fact that half the population has chosen to completely ignore academic and scientific consensus on things like climate change.

      Good! Let’s hope the other half will join them. Because whether people oppose anti-AGW policies out of understanding or out of ignorance, oppose them we must.

      If you don’t believe you’re backing Trump, you clearly don’t understand what drives his support.

      “Backing Trump” isn’t something one can be uncertain about.

      But if you mean that our intense loathing for the whore of Wall Street, the harlot of union bosses, and the strumpet of the medical-industrial complex improves Trump’s chances of winning, well, guilty as charged (I am using gender specific insults because, after all, Hillary wants to be a gender specific president).

  77. Hey Meatheads, if you want to read the works of other poets who’s stopping you? There are these things called libraries where you can check out and read whatever books you want. And if the library doesn’t have the book you’re looking for, there’s this really neat thing called the Internet where you can find damn near anything.

  78. Didn’t Yale used to be a great university? It’s time professors and administrators stop with the “gentle push back”, as Katy Waldman puts it above, and start hitting these dilettante assh**** with a sledge hammer.

    1. No, it’s time that excellent professors vote with their feet. In fact, I suspect many already have.

    2. I dunno. At $46K and a 6% chance of getting in, I would think those great students deserve better than the elementary school theatrics and temper tantrums we’ve seen this year.

  79. This whole argument is so old and so stupid. Like it or not, most of the most influential works of English literature were composed by rich English men. Diversity came into style in the 20th century. Cases can certainly be made for the influence of “minority voices” before that–does anyone remember who did the formal study of the number of common cliches derived from a translation of Cervantes? Very influential, as were lower-brow women writers like the Beechers. But nobody should be allowed to stomp away from studying the classics of English literature…with a degree in English.

    Fwiw, I’d like to take a poll of other commenters. How many of you have systematically studied a literary tradition outside your own demographic? I’ve studied Black American literature (for students’ benefit) and am studying the classics in French and Spanish so far as my limited linguistic talent allows. I want to tell those Yalies, “Bah! Go home!”

  80. “We have spoken. We are speaking. Pay attention.”

    This may come as a revelation to SJW’s, but your right to speak does not convey an obligation on my part to listen. And I’m not going to.

  81. “It is your responsibility as educators to listen to student voices.”

    Uh… no. If students had voices worth listening to, they wouldn’t be paying for the alleged “education”.

    1. I doubt seeking education invalidates one’s voice. The educators should listen. But yeah. To be heard hardly means to get what you demand. The educators can (and do) add English-language poets from minority groups as electives, but at least until recently would never consider scratching the required classics.

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  83. You want poets with disabilities? Teach Keats (died of tuberculosis) and Byron (clubfoot). If you want to add gender to the mix, teach Elizabeth Barrett Browning as well, who was not only female but spent a large portion of her life severely ill with TB.

    You want gay poets? Teach Whitman and Auden (Auden is a bit late to the chronological game, true, but his timeframe is roughly on a par with Eliot’s).

    And we know next to nothing about Shakespeare’s life, as far as I know. We have no idea whether he had a disability or flirted with alternative sexualities or gender identities.

    I think a big part of the problem is that these students have pigeonholed major English poets so badly that they can’t see how diverse some of them really were. It’s just a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that they were mostly male and generally white.

    If you don’t care for the lineup, then maybe you’d prefer a course that focuses exclusively on African poets, Indian poets, female poets, or whatever your particular interest is. But this is not that course, and when you look at the catalogue that shouldn’t be too hard to see.

    Oh, and Jewish students read T.S. Eliot for years (and fiercely debated and criticized his antisemitism) without usually insisting that he be completely removed from the curriculum.

    1. We have no idea whether he had a disability or flirted with alternative sexualities or gender identities.

      Half of his love sonnets were written to a “lovely boy”, the other half to a “dark lady”.

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  85. I suppose these Yale English students want great poets like Maya Angelou (gag).

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  91. If seeking a friendlier environment, perhaps the students of color should major in a Bantu language instead of English, then. You cannot claim a degree in English if you’ve never read the bards of an England which until recently was mostly white. If we accept this student faction’s proposal, we might also have to eliminate study of historical language stages such as Old English, where Beowulf is about the only poetic text.

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  99. Here’s the thing, if you’re studying English, it turns out that people of English descent are white. That means, for most of English history, only (white) Englishmen wrote in English. Only in the last century did we start to see non-white, non-male English speakers getting published. And even in this century, or so, the pickings are relatively slim compared to white males. Which “Major English Poets” are not white? Very few. Perhaps they should ask for a Major English Poets of the Twentieth Century class to be offered? There, you could have a more diverse selection.
    I get it. Other voices should be heard. It’s just a shame that we have to judge authors on the color of their skin, rather than on the content of their verses, in the first place.

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  104. I can see a case for suggesting that these students are idiots for thinking that Shakespeare doesn’t belong in an English curriculum. But I totally disagree with the sentiment that students should have no say in the curriculum. Students are the customers and they should decide on the product.

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