Trump Is Emboldening the Illiberal Hindu Fringe in India
America may survive a Trump presidency. But will the rest of the world?
To Donald Trump, Hindu Sena probably means nothing. Is it a new casino in Atlantic City? Actually, it is a militant

Hindu nationalist group in India that recently held a havan — a public prayer — in the heart of New Delhi for Trump's victory in November. Sena members smudged vermilion on the forehead of his posters, lit candles, and chanted Sanskrit shlokas — verses — from Hindu scriptures imploring Gods Shiva and Hanuman to bless his campaign.
This would be odd even if Trump spoke well of India. Instead, he habitually talks smack. India is still struggling to lift a third of its population from abject poverty, thanks in part to its four-decade-long self-imposed exile from global markets. But in Trump's book, it is "ripping off" America. He has promised to bring back outsourced "American jobs" (because, you know, jobs come endowed with nationalities and Americans shouldn't have to compete for them) and mocked the accent of Indian call center workers. What's more, he plans to make it harder for Indian IT companies such as Infosys to do business in America by making the high-tech H-1B visas they rely on more costly to use and harder to get.
So why are Hindu nationalists, usually so quick to take offense even when none was intended, burning incense for Trump — rather than effigies of him? One simple reason: He shares their antipathy towards Muslims. But its not my enemy's enemy is my friend kind of thing. As far as they are concerned, if the most successful country on the planet votes for Trump's anti-Muslim platform, it'll be a vindication of everything they've long believed but haven't been able to openly push.
America may survive the Trump presidency without degenerating into barbarism and bloodshed in this time of heightened worldwide religious tension. It has an established liberal democracy with firmly entrenched protections and norms of civilized behavior. But Hindu Sena's exultations suggest that it's an open question whether the developing world, especially a young and fractious democracy like India, can.
Hindu Sena is a fringe organization. But resentment against Muslims — about 14 percent or 170 million of the country's population — runs pretty deep in India's Hindu majority and bursts into spasms of anti-Muslim violence with disturbing regularity. Among the worst episodes occurred in the Indian state of Gujarat after 9/11 when anti-Muslim sentiment was rising in the world. Former U.S. President George Bush managed to contain passions and avoid mass violence against Muslims at the time. But a year later in Gujarat, where Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was then chief minister, Hindu goons, some associated with Modi's own party, unleashed unspeakable horrors, slaughtering more than a thousand innocent Muslim men, women, and children.
Modi, himself a Hindu nationalist, managed to get elected prime minister in 2014 despite the Gujarat pogrom. But it did leave a permanent stain on his record. The big question going forward, however, is what kind of treatment Muslims — and other religious minorities, most definitely including Christians — will receive under his administration.
He faces pressure from hardliners in his party such as the Hindu Sena to deal with Muslims and Christians harshly and constrain the constitutional space they have to practice their religion. Among the things that prevent him from obliging is that he has worked very hard to rehabilitate himself on the world stage after becoming an international pariah post-Gujarat (America and other Western countries even denied him travel visas at the time).
But all bets will be off in Modi's India if Trump's draconian calls to ban Muslim travel and kill innocent relatives of terrorists get him elected in America. Such talk will wash away all of India's Hindu extremists past excesses and encourage their future program of chastening Muslims. Ditto for other majorities in other countries with their own beefs against their minorities.
But even that doesn't plumb the depths of the disaster that'll be the Trump presidency.
Countries don't necessarily look for moral approval from America to set their course. But America is still morally instructive not because it is an inherently noble country — how can that be when its history includes slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow? It is because it became spectacularly successful after it dealt with these sins — and in the process made material advancement synonymous with economic freedom, equality, democracy, individual rights, and humanity across the globe.
Trump's crude populism to Make America Great Again will sunder precisely this connection. It will send the message that a potentate who can force companies to make things in America, crack down on dissenters, and keep troublesome minorities in line will usher prosperity and stability — to hell with principles such as voluntary cooperation, trade, tolerance, and inclusiveness.
This will be a tragedy of epic proportions because it'll convey to these countries America's loss of confidence in its own model of success, suggesting that in the Hobbesian universe we live in, we are better off relying on a Leviathan to extract wealth from neighbors and maintain order at home. This is the opposite of what a world already reeling from the forces of cruelty and darkness needs right now.
American democracy is resilient and mature enough that Trump will likely lose his allure before he does too much damage. But India and other countries that are still in the process of fully institutionalizing liberal norms — and have lingering authoritarian longings — may pay a more profound and lasting price.
So if they want to pray and light candles for anything, it should be to never find out what demons a Trump presidency would unleash in them.
This column originally appeared in The Week
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I was guessing a Shikha as soon as I saw the headline.
I'm really not going to base my voting on the reaction of some Hindu on the backwoods of India.
I knew it because we already tore this article apart a few days ago.
I also accurately predicted Shikha based on the title and "Reason Staff".
This is retarded. They elected Modi, an anti-Muslim Hindu nationalist, before Donald Trump was even in this race. Donald Trump did not cause Hindu antipathy towards Muslims. I suspect the mass murder in Mumbai, the fraught relationship with Pakistan, and the Pakistani training of Islamist terrorists probably have more to do with negative Hindu/Muslim relations than Donald Trump.
Basically, a fringe group that already hated Muslims likes Trump because he also doesn't like Muslims, and somehow Trump is responsible for spreading anti-Muslim hate to India...despite the fact that the people in question already despised Muslims.
Recently a Muslim man was beaten to death by a Hindu mob for smuggling beef. Is that Trump's fault too?
Centuries of conquest and rule by Muslim warlords might have gotten relations between the religions off to a bad start.
BUT TRUMP! FUCKING TRUMP!!!!!1111!!!! BIGOTRY!!! TRUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!
Recently a Muslim man was beaten to death by a Hindu mob for smuggling beef. Is that Trump's fault too?
No, that's PETA's fault. Clearly their anti-carnivore rhetoric emboldened the mob.
But it was trump's "tone."
Seems opinion is migrating from "It's Boooshe's fault" to "It's Trumpitler's fault."
Clearly, we've moved beyond "It's Boosh's fault" to "It's Trump's fault."
This is why Lucy was fired. She showed how stupid everyone else in the office is.
But ARE YOU SURE
Do you think she actually believes this? I find it hard to believe anyone could.
What town are you in, John?
Maybe muslims caused hindu antipathy towards muslims.
And that seals it. I'm out of Reason for another 4 weeks. I'll check back in. But as long as Trump hysteria is dominating this "free minds, free market" publication, fuck it.
I always love it when people announce their intentions to go away, instead of simply...going away.
If you don't' signal your virtuous acts, were they really virtuous at all?
How would we know they were gone if they don't tell us they're going? We would think they are lurking, because we all know that those who post are always in our minds.
America may survive the Trump presidency without degenerating into barbarism and bloodshed in this time of heightened worldwide religious tension.
It's the Muslims that like to bring barbarism and bloodshed to countries they immigrate too. A big reason Trump is popular because he wants to prevent that from happening in America.
Well, that's just racist. Even though Muslim is not a race. It's America's obligation to import and support everyone and anyone from every third-world-shithole, regardless of the consequences.
How could there be any consequences that aren't good? Take 500 people from any population anywhere in the world and you'll see that they're cognitively identical. Everyone is the same, that's why all societies are exactly as successful as every other society.
America may survive the Reagan presidency without degenerating into barbarism and bloodshed in this time of heightened worldwide nuclear, or a bush would have said, nucular, tension.
Funny, that was the kind of thought in the early 80s.
America may survive a Trump presidency. But will the rest of the world?
What the fuck. Talk about weapons grade stupid.
Shikha is reliable and consistent, in that every article she writes is dumber than the previous one.
No, a couple of weeks back, she actually had a decent one. I think it met her annual non-retarded quota for the year.
Screw the rest of the world, if they can't keep up with evolution they need to die out.
There's a good reason Hindus hate Muslims. Tens of thousands of Hindus have been slaughtered by them throughout the centuries. That's what Muslims do, invade and kill. A big reason Trump is popular is because he doesn't want that to happen in America. Christ, does Dalmia have no clue about their history or does she just not care? Pathetic.
The Mogul invasion of Indian resulted in one of the worst genocides of all time. Oddly, few people seem to know that or mention it and act like the Muslim Hindu conflict is the result of some baseless racism on everyone's part.
Mogul invasion? THE TRUMP IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire
But it can also be spelled "Mogul."
That doesn't make it any less funny.
Since Hindi doesn't use the Latin alphabet, there is no standard spelling of the word. So its only funny if you think Mogul is a proper English word. And Wiki says either spelling is correct.
The Mughal Empire (Urdu: ????? ??????, Mug??liyah Sal?anat)[6] or Mogul Empire,[7] self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: ???????????, G?rk?niy?n, meaning "son-in-law"),[8] was an empire based in the Indian Subcontinent, established and ruled by a Muslim Persianate[7][9] dynasty of Chagatai Turco-Mongol origin[10][11][12] that extended over large parts of the Indian subcontinent and Afghanistan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire
What does Wikipedia have to say about people with no sense of humor? Are you denying that Donald Trump is referred to as a mogul?
What does Wikipedia say about people with no sense of humor? Are you denying that Donald Trump is called a mogul?
I just don't get the joke. I used a proper and accepted spelling.
Come on, man. Donald Trump is a real estate mogul. Mogul invasion of India. Mogul. Trump. India. Invasion. Shika was right all along...
See the joke now?
Okay. Sorry to be dense. I honestly didn't see that.
So we are going to ski over Trump's head ?
Not that kind of mogul !
I used a proper and accepted spelling.
Good Gawd, John, how have I missed you. LOL! Keep shining on you crazy diamond!-D
But I really did Groovus. Look at the Wikipedia link I gave. You can spell it both Mughul or Mogul. In fact the English word "Mogul" is a reference to the Muslim rulers of India. There is nothing wrong with spelling it that way. It is in fact the traditional spelling. Mughul is a newer way of doing it and part of the movement to make foreign words sound more foreign when used in English.
I am honestly baffled by why you guys find all of this so funny.
I am honestly baffled by why you guys find all of this so funny.
I was just messing with you, John. You *do* have a history of ....creative spelling... resulting in unintentional humour and occasional brilliance, a la RC'z Law. Your using "mogul" is correct as per your citation, so's there's no argument there.
Simple teasing about your history of funny, phonetic spellings, and how they given my spellchecker a good workout over the years, nothing more. *grins*
I am honestly baffled by why you guys find all of this so funny.
See kids? This is how you do humor.
Isn't that the main character to Jungle Book?
It's common among ideologues to cling to abstract beliefs even in the face of contrary evidence. Libertarians are not exempt from this. Too many around here refuse to see the dangers of Islam because "religious freedom," and the downsides of mass immigration because "freedom of movement."
And I think it's funny that when I point out these things, I am accused of "utilitarianism." No, pointing out that someone's ideological map does not fit the territory is not "utilitarianism."
It's common among ideologues to cling to abstract beliefs even in the face of contrary evidence.
[spit take from the irony]
And what particular real-world evidence do you think I am ignoring for ideological reasons...?
Aaaaaaand of course none is forthcoming.
(which isn't even a natural right anyway)
Mass migration as we've come to experience it is not even a product of "freedom of movement". Those people making the claim need to explain to me how a third world migrant with no skills or prospects can move his entire family clan to a first world advanced economy with a high cost of living and support them all with one or two members of the household having a minimum wage job. In the absence of a welfare state it could not be done so easily and the natural course of economics would naturally hinder population replacement like we see. Mass migration as we have it is nothing more than a government program, a duplicitous and irreversible one at that.
It's also an intentional plan to change the electorate in a more statist direction. The Labour Party in the UK admitted it in a memo that was later leaked. Democrats here are also often explicit: by making the US less white European and less Christian by bringing in as many poor and uneducated Third Worlders as possible, they are enhancing their own electoral prospects.
I find it a bit amusing where so many cry about how great open borders and free immigration is when it was Friedman who said,
"...There is a sense in which free immigration, in the same sense in which we had it before 1914, is not possible today.
"Why not? Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare."
so you are blaming Trump for crimes that were already being committed in other countries even before he said he'd run for president. You ,Reason, are really Jumping the shark with your PC hatred of Trump. this is dumber than the lefts Bush deraingment syndrom.
There used to be common sense in Reason but your TDS is beyond pale. You do realize everything you are writing about Trump was said about Reagan, Trump is no Reagan but he is also isn't the evil you try to paint him as. I guess there must be another cocktail party reason staff wants to be invited to.
But even that doesn't plumb the depths of the disaster that'll be the Trump presidency.
It is like everyone who get paid to write has turned into a fucking idiot.
Hey Reason, let me spell it out to you because you are obviously too fucking stupid to figure it out. It isn't that I distrust Muslims because they are Muslims. I don't distrust black men because they are black men. It is because these two groups have a great proclivity for violence. If you can't fucking grok that, please stop writing because y'all sound stupid.
It is like these arrogant fucks think the plebes are too stupid to get on the intertubes and read about shit like Cologne on New Year's Eve.
I knew it because we already tore this article apart a few days ago.
So at some editorial meeting, some dumbass thought it would make sense to run this weapons grade stupid one more time?
For me, it's not about whether you distrust/dislike a certain group of people, it's what exactly you plan to do about it (or get the fucking government to forcefully do for you).
For some reason, Dalmia's articles get posted twice on Hit n Run
Oops, I forgot. Hindus have no good reason to dislike Muslims. Nope.
I am SO beyond tired of this "TRUMPS IS THE MOST WURST RACCISSISSTTZZ EVARRRRR!" bullshit. He's not said much lately that I've heard on this subject. Threw a couple bombs at the beginning of the election cycle that rose to the level of "rude". And now he's the most inciteful, worst Hitler since Hitler.
No.
I'll start buying into this MAYBE when Reason and others can start ID'ing actual racists whose lives are driven in everything by race.
Not voting for Trump, don't like him, he's an idiot, as are most of his followers. But "WURST MOST RACCISSSTTSSS EVAR AND PROVOKING PEOPLE WORLDWIDEEE!!!:??"
Yeah, no. Shut up.
Yeah, no.
Et tu, Almanian?
Don't take away his adoption of an ironic millennial patois.
Trump said two things that are most often pointed to as proof he is THE RACIST!! First, he said that Mexico doesn't send us their best people and sends us its rapists and criminals and that basically Mexico uses this country as a dumping ground. That statement is a gross generalization but it is not without some truth. It is also not technically speaking racist. He never said Mexicans were inferior or more likely to be criminals. He made a statement about the political climate of Mexico and the reality of Mexican immigration. You can certainly call that false and an over simplification but you can't call it racist.
Second, he said until we figure out how to properly vet Muslims entering the country, we should stop letting them in. That is of course a pretty crude and extreme solution to the Muslim terrorist problem. Again though, it is not racist. We do have a Muslim terrorism problem and we can't tell which Muslims entering the country are dangerous and which are not. Offering a crude solution to that doesn't make you a racist.
There are of course very valid criticisms to be made of those statements and what they say about Trump. The idea, however, that Trump is some kind of David Duke type racist let alone that he is now apparently so racist a world thought leader inspiring racism all over the globe is idiotic.
Anyone who has first hand experience with what Muslims are doing in Europe should care less if anyone thinks it's racist to want less of them in society.
Unfortunately, both my wife and I can concur with this statement. The outright violence, rapes, lack of assimilation, overloading the social service systems.... it's like Euro-landia really didn't prepare for what they could reasonably forecast what has happened.
Am I the only one who distinctly remembers Frau Angela Merkel saying, and I quote, "Multiculturalism has been an abject failure." Apparently, she willfully forgot how disrupting overall to have Turks running roughshod in small German towns (which precipitated said quote).
It's both Germany and Brussels who have been most instrumental in migrant policy. The blood, the rapes, and the property damage is on their hands.
Frau Merkel has no children and of course no grandchildren. She has no stake in the future. How recognizable Germany will be in 100 years is not her concern. She has more present concerns, like reelection and being viewed as the most non-Hitler German ever. She fervently believes Europeans and Germans specifically, have some kind of original sin that can only be mitigated through the destruction of European peoples and societies and extricating what remains of their descendants from all of European history, which she sees as a tally of monstrous deeds rather than the record of a civilization that has done more for the advancement of all of mankind than any other.
If she wanted to be the "anti-Hitler" she should deny Muslims' immigration, because, during WW2, the Nazi's and the Mullahs were joined at the hip
France is already lost. Something like 25% of the people in France under age 20 are Muslim, and they ain't assimilating and turning into French people. Demographics is destiny, and in 50 years France won't be France any more. It will be something less.
I'm not a Trumpet. His candidacy is a populist farce, he is a trollish biffoon, and many of his supporters are either economically illiterate, or just plain ignorant.
AND EVEN GIVEN THAT, Shikha, this article is beyond retarded. Hindu nationalists will continue to despise Muslims no matter who is POTUS. Trump's blather has zero practical effect on that matter. What do the nationalists think they will gain if he wins? Predator drones? Give me a fucking break.
"His candidacy is a populist farce, he is a trollish biffoon, and many of his supporters are either economically illiterate, or just plain ignorant."
Yes, and all the times we had the non trollish biffoons (I think you meant buffoons but I'm not going to point that out) and the economically literate and smart supporters of those now in office have served us so well.
"I" is next to "u", and my fat fingers don't help.
"They all suck" is not a compelling argument, by the way, although I am not convinced that DJ Trump can single-handedly destroy 'Merica.
Chocolate Rain some stay dry and others feel the bern
Sorry, but this is just an embarrassingly bad article. And I don't particularly care for Trump. The underlying premise is that America bears responsibility for the behavior of other countries. No you don't hold one person responsible for the behavior of another. If you do, then the entire libertarian argument against Trump is null and void.
Trump is the human version of climate change apparently. There is nothing that cannot be attributed to him.
Good grief, Reason. If we have to have Stupid, can we at least have some prime Stupid, not a reheated Stupid from four days ago?
And even as clickbait, is it working anymore? Most Dalmia articles no longer break 100 comments!
mocked the accent of Indian call center workers.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
Apu as a Muslim
Thank you, come again.
mocked the accent of Indian call center workers.
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
Apu as a Muslim
Thank you, come again!
Shithead Dalmia is a ululating dipshit scumbagetta whose biggest regret in life is that she never got an opportunity to have jihadi children with Osama Bin Laden.
Counter-argument: Narendra Modi has emboldened Donald Trump and his illiberal supporters.
Shikha, have you considered the possibility that the rest of the world has fanned the flames of Donald Trump, or have you just cemented your feet into the notion that no other people on the planet have any agency whatsoever?
Only Americans have moral agency Paul. Trump has arisen in America because Americans are hopeless racists who hate all brown people. The brown people who follow Trump's lead can't help themselves and are just more victims of the evil machine that is America.
This is what Shika believes, she just doesn't say it that crudely.
I was scouring the archives this morning, John, and I would include HazelMeade in Dalmia's coven. *EVERYTHING* is "Brown People" to her. Incidentally, I am no Troomp fan (as how my wife pronounces his name), but looking over the threads of yore, it seems like *EVERYONE* lost their damn fool minds.
And yes, John, Dalmia has said it that crudely in the past; I seem to recall HM calling out Dalmia on it in the way only HM can...
You are right that they have lost their minds. Trump is of course not a Libertarian. And writing an article explaining why Libertarians should not support him ought to be about the easiest assignment reason could give a writer. Yet, the writers at reason never seen to be able to do it. They can't just calmly explain all of the reasonable criticisms of Trump. They always go full retard and start saying crazy and stupid shit like this. They just can't seem to help themselves.
Only Americans have moral agency
This incredible power I have is exhilarating. Or it was. Until I realized it meant that the rest of the world is angry infants over whom we must, apparently, act as nannies.
I'm not sure if people suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome were dumb enough to suggest that Obama "fanned the flames of Stalinism" across the world.
Jesus H Christ.
Trump's phenomenal campaign has emboldened me to follow in Irish's footsteps and let myself explore racism and sexism as viable paths to success. Shikha you're right. It feels GREAT to be racist. Thank you for telling me that it's okay to let it out.
Damn it feels good to be a racist
A real racist-ass cracker plays his cards right
A real racist-ass cracker never runs his fuckin' mouth
'Cause real racist-ass crackers don't start fights
And crackers always gotta high cap
Showin' all his boys how he shot em
But real racist-ass crackers don't flex much
'Cause real racist-ass crackers know they got em
And everything's cool in the mind of a racist
'Cause racist-ass crackers think deep
Up three-sixty-five a year 24/7
'Cause real racist-ass crackers don't sleep
What do you win if you land the appropriate coin or token in the Big Donald's mouth? Does he light up?
A job?
Screw India and screw this rag.
Ignorant shit like this is exactly why I'm seriously considering canceling my print subscription to its stupid fucking magazine and never contributing another dime to this UNReasonable nonsense.
Hindu Nationalist? Must be Shikha Dalmia, because pretty much no one else in the country gives a damn.
This illustrates my problem with immigration. If you move to a country, stop screwing around with your old country. Writing about the problems in your old country while in your new country does what, exactly?
If you are worried about your old country, stay there and try to fix things. Don't try to manipulate people in another country to try to meddle in the affairs of your old country
Has anyone considered that it was because of the negative attention heaped on immigrant populations, in the past, that incentivized them to assimilate, especially their children?
This "diversity" and "inclusion" crap is, actually, what has led to the lack of assimilation into our culture.
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I'm not a fan of Trump's but Dalmia's exaggerated rhetoric where she blatantly misstates what he had proposed vis-a-vis Muslim refugees and immigrants, and for Muslim terrorists waging war against the U.S., only underscores how she similarly slants events in India to suit her liberal-left propaganda.
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