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Politics

Libertarian Party on TV: Gary Johnson, William Weld, and Austin Petersen

Johnson stands up for immigrants, Petersen invites #nervertrumpers, and Weld wants to wait for good polls before asking his rich pals for campaign cash.

Brian Doherty | 5.21.2016 8:23 PM

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Libertarian Party presidential hopeful Gary Johnson appeared on CNN this morning (as of posting I have not found the clip online), a decent national place to prove cross-party appeal. He seemed relaxed, no suit and tie polished politico, and it took constant repetition of one silly and pointless question from CNN's Victor Blackwell to get his dander up.

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Rather than just offer his viewers an opportunity to get to understand who and what this doubtless mysterious to many of them third party candidate Johnson had to offer, Blackwell had to desperately drag it down to a silly outrage game linked to the real star of CNN: Republican Donald Trump.

As I reported here the other day, Johnson's chosen vice presidential partner (the nominees will be selected in separate votes by delegates to the Libertarian National Convention next weekend in Orlando) is former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, a fellow former Republican. Weld in The New York Times characterized aspects of Trump's plan to deport undocumented immigrants as reminding him of Kristallnacht, a violent anti-Jewish pogrom in 1938 throughout Germany and Austria.

Naturally, the most important thing any CNN viewer would want to know about Johnson is: do you stand behind that inflammatory comparison? Blackwell asked it at least three times.

Through the badgering, Johnson highly praised Weld as being a partner "way above" a level he thought he could hope for, saying he puts Weld on a pedestal and considers him the "smartest guy in the room."

Johnson mostly tried to get across, through Blackwell's repetition (Johnson as the aside it deserves eventually declined to advocate that specific rhetoric, while stressing that his experience as a border state governor showed how absurd and damaging any call for mass deportations of illegal immigrants is) the notion that his team represents the "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" choice. He implied even social conservatives might prefer him given he'd be the only candidate genuinely committed to a smaller government role in both our lives and our pocketbooks. His message was all about leaving you alone to live your life and allowing you to keep your money and make your choices.

New Mexico's former governor was winningly humble when discussing his 10 percent in a recent Fox poll, noting that at this point "Mickey Mouse" would likely poll at 30 against that dismal competition, but that Mickey Mouse would not be on the ballot in likely 50 states the way the Libertarian candidate will be.

Another contender for that ballot slot is Austin Petersen, who did a long, 16 minute or so, interview with Glenn Beck yesterday, which can be seen in video form at this Facebook link. Beck's show aired on The Blaze, a place to try to appeal to a particular audience—conservatives possibly disenchanted with Trump.

Petersen defended his pro-life position in libertarian terms—as just protection of human life, for which most libertarians allow a government role—and discusses "theory and practicality" distinctions about open borders and vows to "obey the law" regarding immigration. He will deport violent criminal but wants to incentivize legal immigration by making it less difficult, like "stringent security checks and diseases checks" and then just be naturalized "like my ancestors were."

"I do not want to use fear to expand the power of the executive branch," Petersen said, in response to a long leading question about all the maniacs in the Middle East trying to kill us. But Petersen says he would act constitutionally to deal with actual threats to the U.S., seeking congressional support first. 

He wants to abolish the IRS and replace it with a flat tax, which he thinks might gain us even more revenue, because of low compliance rates with our current progressive system. Petersen keeps the actual authority of the presidency on his mind. When discussing his plans he uses phrases such as "If Congress sends me such a bill" rather than acting like he could accomplish whatever he wants by executive ukase. Regarding the Bundy Ranch situation, Petersen says he'd like to get the federal government out of managing Western land.

Beck and Petersen bonded over their mutual love of Judge Andrew Napolitano, on whose Fox Business Channel show Petersen was a producer. Petersen hyped libertarian movement constitutionalist scholar Randy Barnett as a potential Supreme Court choice, while also sounding enthusiastic about Sens. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz for possible Supreme Court seats, though he said ultimately he'd rather have them in the Senate sending him good legislation to sign.

The L.P., Petersen says, is the last hope for #nevertrumpers and Ted Cruzers, and continues to think he's a natural choice for social conservatives. Maybe, though Petersen's firm support for gay marriage could hurt him there.

Austin Petersen for Prez Facebook

Although Beck said Petersen is "making my heart skip" and "giving me hope there is someone I can pull the lever for" and is "saying all the right things," and despite other reports, Beck's people say there has been no official endorsement of Petersen by Beck.

William Weld, Johnson's vice president choice, appeared with Chuck Todd on MSNBC yesterday discussing his and Johnson's run for the L.P. banner. He said he has been pro-Gary since their days as fellow socially liberal and fiscally conservative Republican governors in the 1990s, bonding over their refusal to "buy into the anti-abortion plank of the Republican platform," believing in "gays and lesbians living happily married openly and peacably" and not "buying into the roundup of 11 million people without proper papers."

As Johnson praised Weld on CNN above, Weld finds Johnson "a force" and reeled off his impressive athletic accomplishments, from climbing the "highest mountain on all seven continents" to Iron Man triathlons, calling him a "real Teddy Roosevelt guy, real Westerner" whose very strength "makes him calm, like he draws straight from the sky almost."

Weld admitted that were his original choice John Kasich getting the GOP nod, he wouldn't be doing this. As it is, though, he thinks there is such a "feeling in the country of disquiet with the two leading candidates" that this year he sees "real political opposition as a game worth the candle."

Admitting to personal friendships with both Clintons, and praising Bill's work with his Global Initiative, Weld can't abide that the Democratic Party's plan "is to spend more than we are taking in, digging ourselves into a hole" that he thinks will destroy job creation, and would be a precursor "for China to be the only superpower in 10 years."

Weld said he could consider putting some of his own money into his campaign, but that wouldn't be so impressive a number. He sees a Johnson-Weld campaign collecting a lot from "going online, small contributors, we may be appealing to millennials" and thinks he could be an in to some some medium-large GOP funder types who he knows personally. He wouldn't think of leaning on them, though, "until we demonstrate prowess in the polls. I don't want to make an ask before there's good poll standing behind it."

That's polite of Weld toward his rich Republican pals, but perhaps confusing carts and horses since good seed money might be necessary to get the message out enough to guarantee good poll results.

[L.P. on TV bonus update] Just plain forgot this on first posting, but a lot of people seem happy to see Rachel Maddow on MSNBC dedicating an interestingly interminable 11 minute segment to the happy message that a Libertarian Party option will be on the ballot, and has some chance of being a real threat to Trump and Clinton. Enjoy her delightfully pointless "remember these three numbers…" framing of her smug telling you the real story.

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Brian Doherty is a senior editor at Reason and author of Ron Paul's Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired (Broadside Books).

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  1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

    Naturally, the most important thing any CNN viewer would want to know about Johnson is: do you stand behind that inflammatory comparison? Blackwell asked it at least three times.

    Through the badgering, Johnson highly praised Weld as being a partner "way above" a level he thought he could hope for, saying he puts Weld on a pedestal and considers him the "smartest guy in the room."

    Absolutely shameful for a reporter to badger a candidate with questions about their past associations with people who have used inflammatory and controversial rhetoric. I'm glad Reason would never support that kind of thing and sticks to the real, substantive issues.

  2. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    "...[Johnson] implied even social conservatives might prefer him given he'd be the only candidate genuinely committed to a smaller government role in both our lives and our pocketbooks. His message was all about leaving you alone to live your life and allowing you to keep your money and make your choices."

    Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  3. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    "Petersen's firm support for gay marriage"

    The link says Petersen wants the government out of marriage. Which is incoherent and unrealistic, but it's not the same as supporting gay marriage.

    1. Agammamon   9 years ago

      Actually, it is.

      See, the only reason gays couldn't get married in the past *was because of government intervention*. Get government out of marriage and a thousand (married) flowers will bloom. Including gay-married flowers. Sure, you may still be against *your church* solemnizing gay marriages - but to support removing the government shackles from marriage contracts is de facto supporting marriage contracts of all types, including homosexual unions.

  4. SIV   9 years ago

    That sounds like a rare cases of hard hitting journalism by CNN. GayJay loves him some Nazis and their Swastika cakes while his proposed Veep, Weld, thinks Nazis are bad. Drive a wedge between those crazy moderate extremists.

  5. SIV   9 years ago

    John McAfee 2016

    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

      We need a British president now more than ever!

      1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

        When King George was in charge we didn't have the NSA monitiring our internet activity.

        1. Winston   9 years ago

          We didn't have gay marriage then though....

          1. Quincy.   9 years ago

            The nation was founded upon the principles of gay divorce:

            When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

            1. Winston   9 years ago

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s56o_8MAOc

              1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

                Would. If she promised to be quiet

                1. Winston   9 years ago

                  The US Army agreed back in the 1940s....

              2. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

                I wonder if the book he has in that clip is a Fractured Fairy Tale.

            2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

              These masterbation euphemisms are becoming quite long-winded.

            3. Quincy.   9 years ago

              I am disturbed by the fact that Winston is now hitting on me.

              1. Winston   9 years ago

                So you're Edward Everett Horton? Something to confess?

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gay_Divorcee

                The Hays Office insisted on the name change, from "Gay Divorce" to "The Gay Divorcee", believing that while a divorcee could be gay or lighthearted, it would be unseemly to allow a divorce to appear so.

                Real boner they avoided there...

                1. Quincy.   9 years ago

                  Stop flirting with me!

                  1. Winston   9 years ago

                    You are no Jack Klugman.

                    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      I like it when you get all neggy.

                    2. Winston   9 years ago

                      Null points!

                    3. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

                      Tell him to call you a dirty whore.

                    4. Winston   9 years ago

                      Get a bath first...

                    5. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      I loove it when you get all neggy.

  6. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    Seriously, what's wrong with this Petersen guy? He sounds very nice.

    /they didn't even have to pay me to say that.

    1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      I like Peterson.

      1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

        So do I.

        But on a hunch I did a bit of Googling and found this.

        1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

          Remove the nuance, and...voila! Anti-Petersen campaign commercial!

          1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

            It's just a book review. Politically yawner stuff.

          2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

            MSM would be to busy cruxifying him over being pro-life to pay any attention to anything else.

      2. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

        The sheen comes off pretty quick.

        1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

          Did you read the paper?

          1. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

            Not much of it. The paper seems takes a narrower stance on the issue than the headline, or than Petersen does in general. tl;dr: Petersen rejects the NAP and negative rights.

            1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

              Well I didn't read all of that rebuttal but I did go to Peterson's original article where he explains why he's not an anarchist. Libertarians are not anarchist so that isn't surprising that he says that. While I could certainly argue with his points and have some additional nits as well, I didn't see anything in there all that terrible. Seemed like a lot of semantic arguments really which is typical when people start discussing ideologies.

            2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

              Prince Charming isn't coming. Might be ok to take off the chastity belt.

    2. SparktheRevolt   9 years ago

      On the spectrum?

  7. Winston   9 years ago

    His message was all about leaving you alone to live your life and allowing you to keep your money and make your choices.

    Ummm Nazi cakes?

    real Teddy Roosevelt guy

    Exactly what we need.

    Admitting to personal friendships with both Clintons, and praising Bill's work with his Global Initiative
    Got to earn that establishment cred.

    Weld can't abide that the Democratic Party's plan "is to spend more than we are taking in, digging ourselves into a hole" that he thinks will destroy job creation, and would be a precursor "for China to be the only superpower in 10 years."

    There goes the Democrats and Thomas Friedman and Lew Rockwell's vote.

  8. Winston   9 years ago

    Who will the LP nominate in 2020? Mitt Romney? Paul Ryan? Newt Gingrich? Tom Cotton? Sarah Palin? John Kasich?

    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

      You, Winnie. *Licks lips lasciviously*

      1. Winston   9 years ago

        That's 1 vote...

    2. Bob Meyer   9 years ago

      They will nominate a couple of gay, married marijuana farmers that belong to the NRA. That will sew up the gay, weed growing, recreational shooter vote which may double their 2012 vote totals.

  9. Winston   9 years ago

    What's the libertarian position on a man marrying his widow's sister?

    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

      Nudge, nudge.

    2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      What's she look like?

      1. SIV   9 years ago

        and tell her to turn around so I can check out dat ass.

    3. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Did either of them kill his wife so they could get married?

      1. Winston   9 years ago

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widow

        A widow is a woman whose spouse has died

        1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

          Right. Its one of those jokes. Like if a plane crashes on US-Canada border which country should the survivirs be buried.

          1. Winston   9 years ago

            So who's buried in Grant's tomb then?

            1. SIV   9 years ago

              I don't want to...

  10. Winston   9 years ago

    This Saturday Night is pretty boring.

    How about a film beloved by Alfred Hitchcock where divorce solves all?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAorRAYRa0

  11. __Warren__   9 years ago

    Turkey bacon is an affront against humanity.

    1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Technically it doesnt exist so.

    2. Quincy.   9 years ago

      But what if the turkey-pig was hosting your GMO liver?

    3. Pat (PM)   9 years ago

      Turkey bacon

      Well, which is it?

  12. Winston   9 years ago

    So the voice of Scrooge McDuck and Mr. Ed has died. I think that deserves a Nick Gillespie post.

    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

      You know who else deserves a long, hard-hitting (richly-veined) Gillespie post?

      1. Winston   9 years ago

        Your Mom?

        1. Quincy.   9 years ago

          No, you, silly.

          1. Winston   9 years ago

            NO, U!

            1. Scarecrow & WoodChipper Repair   9 years ago

              GET A HOTEL ROOM!

  13. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    You best not show up for a booty call without something for her to eat.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/21/.....tured_pool

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      Oh, she'll eat *something.*

  14. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    "They are as black as the porous rocks over which they crawl & seek their prey from the Sea. I call them 'imps of darkness'. They assuredly w[e]ll become the land they inhabit."

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      (Quick - without Googling or clicking the link, who said that? And about what monsters?)

      1. straffinrun   9 years ago

        Not an award you want to win.

        1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

          So you manage to answer the question and mock it at the same time? Verry clever.

          You didn't cheat, did you?

          1. Libertarian   9 years ago

            Obviously Churchill talking about the French.

            1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

              Wow, that answer is almost better than the reality!

          2. straffinrun   9 years ago

            Just dealing with environment I find myself in.

  15. straffinrun   9 years ago

    What time is it? 10,11pm on a Saturday night? Someone must have a bourbon fuelled Trump rant ready to uncork. C'mon Eddie, dip into that communion wine and let 'er rip.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      I'm not sure you're 100% familiar with the sacramental life of the Church.

      Why not puzzle over the quote I post above?

      1. straffinrun   9 years ago

        100% sure I'm not.

    2. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

      What time is it? 10,11pm on a Saturday night? Someone must have a bourbon fuelled Trump rant ready to uncork.

      The rest of the week I am libertarian.

      On Saturday nights I am liver-tarian.

      1. straffinrun   9 years ago

        So, basically you're the exact opposite of 90% of Americans.

  16. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    Let me leave you with this piece of nerd-bate.

  17. Sevo   9 years ago

    OT:
    "Elon Musk has Wall Street wrapped around his little finger (TSLA)"
    [...]
    "Plenty of people I've spoken with in the auto industry are astounded that a profitless company, one that struggled to build 50,000 cars in 2015, can tap the equity markets so easily."
    http://www.sfgate.com/technolo.....932701.php

    Either the writer is hopelessly ignorant of cronyism, or slyly hoping his sophistry won't be noticed.
    Yes, when you have a line into the taxpayer money, investors will buy your pitch. If Musk ever had to compete without gov't assistance, "Wall Street" would drop him like a hot potato.

  18. Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe   9 years ago

    So when is the Libertarian Party changing it's name to the Cuckservative Party?

    1. Sevo   9 years ago

      Uh, when you, Winston, SIV, eddy and other lame trolls get lost? Or maybe you really had a point?

    2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      [insert laugh track here]

      1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

        Well, this is just uncomfortable.

  19. __Warren__   9 years ago

    This is from last year and it seems familiar but nothing turned up in a search of Reason.

    There is no way the cops are telling the truth here.

    1. Ted S.   9 years ago

      The fuckstain cop wasn't arrested for violating the subpoena, of course.

  20. Jerryskids   9 years ago

    In other news,Obama admits 9-year olds are smarter than he is.

    During their short encounter, Leggette asked Obama about what he thinks of having kid scientists as advisors. The U.S. leader was delighted with the idea so he suggested to create a kid advisory panel, which will be made up of children who can share their ideas on what is essential in the field of science and technology.

    This genius demonstrated to Obama how he could use a 3-D printer to make a bubble-blowing wand which apparently so impressed the President that he totally forgot bubble-blowing wands come free in a 59-cent bottle of bubble soap and using a 3-D printer to make one is an incredibly retarded use of the technology.

    1. Libertarian   9 years ago

      Did Obama know it was a bubble wand, or did he think it was some sort of weird bong? Ha! He's not as stupid as you think, now, is he?

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