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Gary Johnson's Pot Use Bugs Conservatives; John McAfee Would Rather Have Sex with Whales than Debate Again: Libertarian Party Roundup

As Trump shock sets in, more people across the political spectrum give serious attention to the Libertarian Party presidential race

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As Trump vs. Clinton looms horrifyingly on the horizon, normal human Americans seek any escape route, even one as outre as the Libertarian Party. That is, we've seen more chatter and news and commentary about the L.P.'s still ongoing-presidential race (which will be settled by the bare majority of 1,000 or so delegates to the national Party convention over Memorial Day weekend in Orlando), particularly the one who outside onlookers (and many insiders as well) assume will certainly get it: Gary Johnson, who won the nomination last time and won the Party's largest-ever vote total at 1.27 million.

He's also a pretty successful two-term state governor, from 1995-2003 in New Mexico, and most recently a potrepreneur with Cannabis Sativa Inc. (He's also a splashy world class amateur athlete of the climb-Everest variety.)

Gage Skidmore via Foter.com / CC BY-SA

I dinged National Review's David French yesterday for seeming to ignore that the L.P. had a likely very "serious" candidate already on board, a two-term Republican governor. He chimed in with a longer take on Johnson, in which he more or less concludes, sure, cool, but, he actually uses and likes marijuana, with lame "choom gang" references. (If you don't get that reference, thank a teacher.)

French also has the usual right-wing complaints about being soft on overseas villainy and, strangely because Libertarians are usually attacked for being unreasonably doctrinaire in opposing certain aspects of civil rights law as they affect private citizens, French joins Johnson's L.P. competitor Austin Petersen in slamming the Gov. for saying in the candidate debate aired on John Stossel's Fox Business News show last month that he thinks people should be forced to bake cakes for people they object to on political or religious grounds.

Mother Jones also profiled the L.P. candidates. The reporting mostly centered around a four-candidate debate at the New York state L.P. convention last week. The story was quite even handed from that magazine's progressive perspective, made John McAfee (the most colorful, notorious, and likely name-recognized of the challengers, inventor of the anti-virus software named after him) seem as entertaining as he is, and intimated that McAfee is perhaps too colorful and entertaining for this staid process:

When moderator Todd Seavey invited him to make an opening statement, he told attendees that he "slept through" his debate prep but would "hopefully" have something better to say during closing statements. He stared up at the chandelier when his opponents talked and he dragged his hands slowly over his face, as if he hadn't slept in a while. Earlier, when Vermin Supreme, a perennial presidential candidate and performance artist famous for wearing a black rubber boot on his head, approached McAfee and gushed that together they will "turn up the brightness of the future!" McAfee replied, "anything to get me through the boring shit I've been going through for four months."

MoJo's Tim Murphy notes, after respectfully summing up the others in the debate–Johnson, movement celeb Austin Petersen (chief of the Libertarian Republic news and commentary site and former producer on Fox Business' Judge Andrew Napolitano show Freedom Watch), and hardcore anarchist and Free Stater Darryl Perry, that McAfee is:

for people who don't like the old way of doing things. Derrick Michael Reid, a long-shot candidate who participated in a JV debate that preceded the main event, put it to McAfee as they huddled outside the restaurant. "If Johnson gets nominated, the country just goes through a big yawn—'oh, the goofy governor,' and that's it," he said. "They nominate you or me, they go viral." At the very least, it'll get them on Spike TV.

…(All the candidates agreed that their path to success is predicated on doing something Johnson didn't do in 2012—qualify for a presidential debate.) Trump, who long ago flirted with a run for the Reform Party nomination, is not so different from what the Libertarians aspire to be. He is someone whose policies don't fit neatly inside the two-party framework and who has managed, with minimal assistance from establishment organs, to force his way into the conversation and disrupt the whole damn thing….Unfortunately for the Libertarians, there has already been a transformative outsider candidate in 2016. And he's taken over the GOP.

McAfee got a big personal profile running at The Awl this week as well. The writer, Zachary Schwartz, was around McAfee the same time I was in New York in late March for an L.P. candidate profile in our forthcoming July issue of Reason; at the time he said he was with Playboy, but the story ended up here at The Awl.

McAfee has in some ways turned himself into a living, walking, breathing men's magazine profile: tough, strange, unpredictable, connected to matters of world import (cybersecurity, politics), with more than a hint of danger. Schwartz gets that across pretty well, combined with his trickster fuck-with-the-squares comedy and absurdity. He also gives fair attention to the issue McAfee is most deadly serious about: the threat of Chinese cyberwar bringing our nation to total destruction.

Schwartz was, as was I, backstage with McAfee during the Stossel debate. At that time, McAfee seemed bored with the process, telling me at halftime that "I'm not even sure I was there" at the event that had taken a break a minute earlier. His weariness with debating his opponents seems to have mounted.

The trickster candidate straight-facedly assured the world, in a message he posted on Facebook, that he'd be missing one planned forthcoming debate because he had a prior appointment on a "whale fucking contest."

McAfee admits he won't miss hearing Johnson "declare 'Uber everything' and 'I climb mountains." or Petersen crowing about being born near a town called Liberty, Missouri. (While assuring Petersen that "I genuinely like you.")

In other L.P. chatter:

• The RT network is hosting a live nationally televised L.P. candidate debate next Thursday May 12, which in their most recent announcement has Austin Petersen, Darryl Perry, and Marc Alan Feldman committed to attending, no Johnson or McAfee.

• Though he's shown no sign of any interest ever and just endorsed his own party's nightmare Donald Trump, The Washington Times still wonders: Could Rand Paul end up the L.P. nominee? (Yes, it's physically possible, it he decides he wants to. The delegates in Orlando can do whatever they want, bound by no earlier caucuses or primaries.)

•  Johnson appears somewhere in the middle of this The Hill list of where Trump-angry GOPers might look for presidential hope come November.

•  Controversy!! over (bachelor) Austin Petersen having had a personal ad years ago on a dating site aimed for "sugar babies."

• Johnson and Petersen outreach to disillusioned Republicans upon Cruz dropping out.

• McAfee associate Rob Loggia tells the L.P. they can't count on disaffected current GOP or Sanders voters to win, but must reach to that near majority every time around who don't vote at all. Loggia also argues that while Johnson seems to write off the non-political-pros in the L.P. race as non-serious, the real silly thing for the L.P. to do would be to repeat what they tried and failed in 2012.

•  Rare also points disenchanted conservatives toward the L.P. candidates, as does Conservative Review.

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  1. McAfee has in some ways turned himself into a living, walking, breathing men’s magazine profile: tough, strange, unpredictable, connected to matters of world import (cyber security, politics), with more than a hint of danger.

    What’s the problem?

    1. Post PM Links links!

    2. I can’t bring myself to dislike Johnson, but I’ll be damned if he isn’t boring as hell and an awful messenger for making inroads with new voters.

      McAfee’s cybersecurity schtick seems vastly blown out of proportion (we’re all gonna die cuz the power grid is 50+ yrs old, bla bla), but aside from that he’s enough of a flamboyant fuckup to get more people intrigued about Libertarianism. In ways that might actually be constructive.

      1. I’m with you – Johnson is the “serious” candidate that the pundits and the real movers and shakers (you know the ones who knew Jeb! was a lock for the nom and that Trump clown could be safely ignored) might possibly pay attention to but nobody else is going to give a shit about whereas McAfee has a certain amount of name recognition and a hooky story to grab people’s attention but probably on closer examination is going to lead people to think “flaky”. So do you go with the serious guy nobody’s going to pay much attention to or the guy people will pay attention to only to conclude he’s not very serious? If Trump’s doing so well with his freak show do we emulate that? Or since we’re appealling to the very people fleeing Trump’s freak show do we go the opposite direction? As long as we’re not talking about ostentatiously waving around our Bibles and interjecting “Praise Jesus!” into every conversation, I’m good with either approach.

      2. “but aside from that he’s enough of a flamboyant fuckup to get more people intrigued about Libertarianism. In ways that might actually be constructive.”

        If Trump can Trump his way to success, I think realistically McAfee is the best hope of garnering attention. Apparently American voters want absurd, flamboyant characters these days.

    3. The problem is that it will be damn near impossible to uninstall him from our hearts.

      1. Nice. Very nice.

    4. SEND, LAWYERS GUNS AND MONEY is his favorite song.

    5. They forgot alleged murderer…

      1. Who is currently dodging extradition.

        1. Which is still light years more respectable than Obama, Clinton etc. when you think about it.

  2. I can understand why it would be hard to take the Libertarian Party seriously. You don’t have to be a politician to at least have some sort of dignity (not that they’re completely lacking it, but this article doesn’t really allude to it at all).

    *ponders Presidential run*

    Stop laughing guys.

  3. I can understand why it would be hard to take the Libertarian Party seriously. You don’t have to be a politician to at least have some sort of dignity (not that they’re completely lacking it, but this article doesn’t really allude to it at all).

    *ponders Presidential run*

    Stop laughing guys.

  4. Ronald Reagan’s and George Bush’s pot use does not bother conservatives. Neither does Bill Clinton’s nor Barack Obama’s really. Now the Hoi polloi’s pot use is a different matter. Enter the Libertarians.

    1. Because they have repented. GayJay is unrepentant.

      1. Ah yes, as long as you repent, you can do as you please.

        1. Christian morals FTW.

      2. It’s interesting how hypocrisy is the price of admission.

        “Put on a show telling me transparent lies, or I won’t take you seriously.”

  5. could Rand Paul end up the L.P. nominee?

    Rand/GayJo 2016

    1. The Libertarian Party nominates Rand Paul, half the GOP votes libertarian. Libertarians get 40% of the popular vote, and exactly zero Electoral College votes. Libertarians are ecstatic “Dude! 40%! Libertarian Moment!”
      Hillary Clinton is sworn is as POTUS, appoints three Statists to the Supreme Court. Citizens United overturned, guns confiscated. States’ AGs go on witch hunts against Exxon, Cato, etc. Reason forced to give up all subscribers’ and commenters info. Said readers and commenters all arrested.

      1. Libertarian Moment!

        ? oh, wait.

      2. Mother of God.

        Now I need a drink.

        1. * pours DOOMco some of his whiskey

          Here ya go

          1. Bushmills black in the cupboard.

            1. I’ll get the cups

      3. but at least Suderman will never have to tell his DC friends he voted for icky-poo Trump. can’t put a price on virtue signaling.

        1. What’s more important than invites to cocktail parties with all the cool kids?

      4. Let’s just put this to rest right now. Paul won’t accept it. He’s already endorsed Trump. Rand is a libertarian, but don’t forget, he’s a libertarian ‘republican’ first, iow, a libertarian who wants to stay in office. I guess he likes being a senator.

        1. things don’t happen overnight.

          Paul is better in the Senate effecting incremental change than he is in some worthless third party run.

          1. I’ve always said I would rather have Rand in the senate than as president. He’s very good right where he’s at, instead of being POTUS and having everything bad that happens for the next 20 years blamed on libertarians. What we need is more libertarians in congress.

            1. I agree. I, like many here, were pulling for him in the Republican primaries, but he really has done a great job in the senate. Which is exactly why I support him supporting Trump: To be effective in the senate, people need to know that you are going to honor your agreements.

        2. Why you gotta be harshing on my dystopia, dude?

          1. Someone had to, so I guess I wanted you to get it over with quickly, it’s less painful that way.

        3. Rand is a Republican.

          /full stop.

          1. I know, but how am I supposed to compose great alternative history dystopias that way?

          2. Party affiliation, yes. There’s also plenty of evidence that the guy is the most libertarian senator ever, besides his father. His voting record speaks on it’s own.

            1. His father was a congressman.

              1. And his mother was a mudder!

                1. He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor.
                  Stood up to the Man and he gave him what for.
                  Our love for him now ain’t hard to explain,
                  The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!

          3. Rand is a Republican.

            So was Milton Friedman.

      5. Hillary Clinton is sworn is as POTUS, appoints three Statists to the Supreme Court.

        Because Donald Trump would NEVER appoint a statist to the Supreme Court. That’s RIDICULOUS.

      6. Followed by a violent uprising in which the progressives rapidly discover that over 95% of US citizens who possess firearms, have tactical training, and combat experience are NOT progressive. Progressives are rapidly eliminated or rounded up and sent to Antarctica. And not the good part.

        The US is then brought back to a government under constitutional limits.

      7. What makes you think Trump’s SCOTUS nominees would be any better? There’s so much magical and wishful thinking behind Trump, one should check oneself that they aren’t engaging in it as well. After all, Trump is for big government, crony crapitalism, eminent domain abuse for the rich, and recently supported Democrat positions on issues, and still does for a lot of them. Frankly, I expect a divided government whoever is elected. I’m not sure Trump would get much cooperation with a GOP controlled congress, in the unlikely event he wins.

    2. Nah, Rand runs LP and loses his sure bet senate seat. Not gonna, or should happen. GayJay is dull, which doesn’t bother me, however won’t get more votes than last time. McAfee is the true protest vote but he’ll intimidate/scare all of the pussy beta males in the country, which sadly are now many. What needs to happen is a draft Judge Nap campaign. Deadly serious, deadly smart, deadly humble, deadly principled, and deadly fun and engaging. He’s viewed favorably by the wrinkles who watch Fox and the millies who are Jon Stewart minions. I say Napolitano 2016. He’d finally bring the LP out of obscurity. With his sagely wisdom he’d come off as the only adult on the stage standing next to Clinton and trump.

      1. Naplitano would be a good choice.

  6. Gary always looks stoned to me. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. What I don’t get is why he always looks so angry. Maybe he should switch bud. I mean I guess I’m always angry with our political process too, but I guess I’m better at hiding it, it’s not cool to go around looking like an angry Berntard.

  7. GayJay was in two 2012 Presidential debates. This one in SC:

    Bret Baier: Governor Johnson, if you had a reality TV show like Donald Trump does, what would it be?

    Gary Johnson: Wow? I’m stumped, I’m really stumped. I’m an active guy so reality TV for me would be to spread this whole notion of physical activity and competition and the notion that we should all live in the present. I don’t think it would be Donald Trump Show, I don’t think it would be Sarah Palin Show either, crawling on her hands and knees up the ice fall in Alaska, but?

    Bret Baier: You mentioned?

    Gary Johnson: Well I’m just a little stumped.

    Bret Baier: I understand and that’s fair, you mentioned that you like to work out, we understand you’ve run 30 marathons?

    Gary Johnson: I’ve run 30 marathons in my lifetime

    Bret Baier: What are you running away from?

    Gary Johnson: You know I got to stand on top of the planet also, I had the good fortune to summit Mount Everest which I thought was, I have a goal to climb the highest mountain on each continent, so now I get to finish my reality show, I hope to climb the highest mountain on each of the seven continents, I have three to go, so my reality show would be trying those last three.

    Bret Baier: We knew we’d get there.

    Gary Johnson: Thank you.

    Bret Baier: Governor thank you.

    Gary Johnson: Thanks for the break.

    1. [Groans]

  8. Putting GayJay on a debate stage is vote poison.

  9. TechDirt just got Preet Bahara’d

    Earlier this week, one of our writers, Tim Cushing, had a story about yet another abuse of the civil asset forfeiture procedure. You can read that whole story for the details, but the short version is that US Customs & Border Patrol, along with Hancock County (Indiana) Sheriff’s Dept. officers, decided to seize $240,000 in cash from a guy named Najeh Muhana.
    … I have to admit that I was rather surprised yesterday afternoon when we received a phone call from an agent with Homeland Security Investigations (the organization formerly known as ICE for Immigration and Customs Enforcement), asking where they could send a subpoena to identify a commenter on our site.

    1. And I hope they have them the mailing address:
      666 Satan Blvd, Lake of Fire, Hell 20001

    2. Does Techdirt have a good woodchipper supply house?

      1. More defendants at the Drug War Crimes Tribunal, were justice is as swift and certain as a woodchipper can make it.

  10. Boy, MacAfee is one crazy looking guy. Isn’t he wanted for murder in some South American shit hole? I’d Google it, but I’m lazy. I remember there was some crazy story about his escape.

    1. Belize is actually a North American shit hole.

      1. Central America, you racist.

        1. Central America isn’t a continent

          1. He didn’t say it was a continent, privileged CIS shitlord!

            1. And, as far as that goes, it’s only one continent because it’s joined by the isthmus of panama. At least for now, but global warming you know, send me your money to save the continents!

              1. Eurasia and Africa are joined by an ithsmus, but even the freaks who call one side “Eurasia” don’t generally claim it’s all one continent.

                1. Everything on this planet is just part of one massive mega-continent, which just happens to have salt water on top of parts.

          2. It’s barely a landmass.

        1. How far off par for a libertarian?

          1. Oh he’s downright normal compared to some of the posters here. Not you or me, of course, but the others are all nuttier than a squirrel turd.

            1. They’ve crapped on all of us at some point

            2. *looks around, nods*

        2. He addressed that on the debate with John Stossel.

    2. MacAfee is not The Most Interesting Man In The World, but if you’ve ever listened to The Most Interesting Man In The World’s tales of adventure, MacAfee’s name comes up a lot.

      1. * buys Jerry a Dos Esquies

        1. “I do not often costume narcotics, but when I do, I prefer methamphetamine. Stay wired my friends.”

          -Most Interesting Man in the World,
          Tweaked out of his Goddamned mind

      2. MacAfee is not The Most Interesting Man In The World

        I hear Dos Equis fired theirs. I’ve been pushing McAfee as a write in candidate to replace him.

  11. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I get the impression from Gary Johnson that he wouldn’t actually want to be president

    1. McAfee seems the opposite. “Skip to the end.”

  12. The wall I keep hitting is that it takes some serious thought and realism to understand libertarianism and people just don’t want to think seriously or to face reality. So really it is we who are not serious and not realistic when we refuse to accept that most people are not serious and not realistic. Deep in their heart, everybody knows there’s a free lunch somewhere and they’re determined to find it. They don’t want to hear there’s no such thing as a free lunch, accuse us of being the ones who want a free lunch – oh, you’re just a bunch of libertines who want to be free to do whatever you please and to hell with everybody else. No, we’re the ones saying you should be free to do as you please – but the flip side of freedom is taking responsibilty for the consequences of your actions.

    That’s a trade-off – you can be as free as you want but that includes the freedom to do stupid shit and doing stupid shit is all on you. You want the government to protect you from the consequences of your actions without paying for it. You expect the government to feed and clothe you and educate and medicate you, the price is that you eat and you wear what the government decides and they run the educating and the medicating. That’s a trade-off, too – but you refuse to recognize it. You want the government to provide you free shit with no strings attached and that isn’t the way it works. You people are the ones who aren’t serious and aren’t realistic, not us.

    1. trade-off

      Trade-off? No Free Lunch?

      Ha! You’re not fooling me!

      Everyone can have everything they want for the price of wishing for it, if it weren’t for evil, hateful people like you who *want* people to be poor and suffer.

  13. On the mobile site the title is rendered as “…John McAfee Would Rather Have Sex with Brian Doherty”

    Wouldn’t we all, sir. Wouldn’t we all.

  14. “strangely because Libertarians are usually attacked for being unreasonably doctrinaire in opposing certain aspects of civil rights law as they affect private citizens, French joins Johnson’s L.P. competitor Austin Petersen in slamming the Gov. for saying in the candidate debate aired on John Stossel’s Fox Business News show last month that he thinks people should be forced to bake cakes for people they object to on political or religious grounds.”

    Nice trying to soften the blow by putting it in the context of “here’s a thing a National Review writer and a competitor brought up.”

    And nice twist to suggest that there’s something strange about the *criticism,* as opposed to the strangeness of an LP person endorsing compulsory nazi cakes.

    1. “Compulsory nazi cakes for all!”
      (crowd boos)
      “Compulsory nazi cakes for some, tiny American flags for others!”
      (crowd cheers)

    2. Are you suggesting some kind of government nazi cakes for fags program?

  15. The NR people are ridiculous: they’ll endorse Romney and “bomb bomb Iran” McCain, but a guy who likes pot is too far afield. WTF do they actually want?

      1. Yup

        The “conservative” stuff is all to set up the rubes to vote for a RINO who’ll sell ’em down de ribber

    1. WTF do they actually want?

      To maintain their cozy positions as propagandists for the Republican Establishment. If the Establishment gets Disestablished, they’ll just be ideological cranks unconnected to Power. They might end up with less cachet than writers at Reason!

  16. …because he had a prior appointment on a “whale fucking contest.”

    I am seriously disappointed in the commentariat.

  17. “? Controversy!! over (bachelor) Austin Petersen having had a personal ad years ago on a dating site aimed for “sugar babies.””

    The LP has the least interesting scandals I’ve ever seen

  18. Re: cake baking and such

    Genuinely curious, if it’s ok to refuse to serve gay/trans, is it also ok to refuse service to blacks? Women? Christians? Either that’s ok or you’re in the position of saying only people with specific biases they think are supported by Official Religions have the special power to discriminate. It’s not like the bible specifically says it’s a sin to conduct business with sinners; it’s just personal bigotry, and unfortunately there’s lots of people who hate various non-sexuality-related minority groups just as much as right wing religious nutjobs hate gays. So it already doesn’t rise to the level of asking someone to violate a tenet of their faith, it’s saying ‘i don’t want to serve this person who IS violating a central tenet of my faith’, and is so relegated to just a personal belief, with no more legitimacy then any other bias.

    1. They’re refusing to participate in an event. If a gay wanted to buy a box of cookies to give to his gay friends, no one would object.

      The left already denies service to people who they deem as homophobes and face no consequence or backlash whatsoever. USC apparently cancelled an entire event to (effectively) to slight males.

      1. I’m all for anyone refusing anyone else any kind of service or product for any reason whatsoever, but I do not buy the contention that baking a cake somehow endorses anything let alone rises to the level of participation. Is “The Baking of the Cake” part of the liturgy now? When does the baker consecrate the union? before the florist reads the invocation? or is it after the photography gives away the bride? If you don’t want to cater to some person or group just say so, no justification necessary.

        1. It doesn’t matter whether or not the cake is part of the religious ceremony. The bakers obviously sincerely believed that making the cake was an expressive act and constituted an endorsement (or at least an tacit acceptance) of gay marriage. They would not have refused to sell other kinds of baked goods to the same gay customers but would have refused to make the cake for the gay wedding if the actual buyer was straight (e.g. the the caterer or some other family member). And presumably they would have refused to bake a gay wedding cake even if it wasn’t intended for a wedding ceremony at all, but rather to be served at a gay rights event. So clearly it wasn’t the customers, it was the message.

          1. It doesn’t matter whether or not the cake is part of the religious ceremony

            Exactly, the rest of your post is both supposition and irrelevant. People have all kinds of sincerely held belief that are nonsense, and there is no need to use them as an excuse for something that needs no excusing.

    2. You have the right to be an asshole and refuse to do something.

      To say otherwise is to compel labor.

      Forcing someone to bake a cake requires exactly what the word suggests, force, which when government is involved ultimately comes at the end of a gun.

      So if you’re comfortable using deadly force to make someone bake a cake they don’t want to, maybe you need to evaluate your priorities.

      1. All laws carry the penalty of death. Ask Eric Garner.

        1. Hell he wasn’t even breaking the law at the time.

          1. All he had done was help break up a fight before the cops even showed up. By the time they got there he was just standing around talking to people. Good thing the cops showed what Big Men they were and killed him. If not, Garner might have been having conversations with people all afternoon.

        2. All laws carry the penalty of death. Ask Eric Garner.

          Garner died for failing to Respect their AUTHORITAH. It had nothing to do with Law, except in the Judge Dredd sense.

          1. “except in the Judge Dredd sense.”

            I’d disagree. Garner’s arresting officer would have gotten banished to slave labor on the moon of Triton for his actions, were this Mega City One. Judge Dredd lives in a police-state hellhole, but at least they don’t let their cops get away with excessive violence in that setting (their bar for “excessive” is higher then ours, sure, but issuing a sentence of death for distribution of illegal cigarettes is still something a Judge would be arrested for.).

    3. The legitimacy derives from the idea: ” You ain’t the boss o’ me”.

    4. “It’s not like the bible specifically says it’s a sin to conduct business with sinners”

      Nah, if you go by the actions of Jesus, who hung out with sinners on a regular basis and was criticized by contemporary priests for it, the Christian thing to do should be to never refuse business with sinners merely for being sinners.

      That being said, I would still advocate for them being allowed to refuse services as they see fit. I think they are idiots who don’t understand the tenets of their religion (like Muslims who buy into the concept of Hadith), but I still think they are entitled to their stupid interpretations of religion because freedom of association.

  19. The LP faces no scrutiny from the media or the general electorate. None. They can trot out dogmatic libertarians and hardcore fiscal conservatives to their hearts content.

    I don’t think the LP will ever be relevant unless they hold their own conventions and make a serious play at mainstream voters. That will necessarily involve spending a ton of money, projecting a certain image and tailoring message in a way that strays away from raw libertarianism.

    I won’t commit to a third party who’s satisfied with earning symbolic protest vote and smugly declares “Both parties are bad so I’m the choice by default”. Seriously, I understand why Mcafee was so bored by the LP process. Other than Ron Paul, the LP party candidates have all the personalities of a potato.

    TV ads, ground game, a more palatable vision of a libertarian economy – these are just some of the things the LP can do to earn my vote. It’s not the most principled candidate who wins, it’s those who personally connect with the voters in a meaningful way. That’s just fact. You can’t just read agendas off manifestos and party playbook and expect to win, even if they’re damn good ideas.

    1. This resonates with a point i made in the LP debate.

      There’s no point with these people debating each other in some contest for “who wins the protest vote”

      Libertarians need to be out in the regular primaries, debating Republicans and Democrats. Not each other. The latter just forces them into a ‘who can one-up each other in ideological pretension’-contest. Getting into the mix with mainstream democrats & republicans forces them to speak to a larger audience and show people there are better choices.

    2. So a little tyranny is ok to get elected.

      1. A little tyranny is better than a whole lotta tyranny to people who care about reality more than virtue signaling.

    3. The progressives spent decades taking over education and the democrat party one little idea at a time. They also have a fair number of republicans as well. Seems a long term libertarian takeover of the R’s is the only real chance you have.

  20. the L.P.’s still ongoing-presidential race (which will be settled by the bare majority of 1,000 or so delegates to the national Party convention…)

    So you’re saying the LP employs direct democracy.

    1. Have fun with your voterless victories, GJ.

  21. Two women mistake math for terrorism, plane held for 1,5 hours. — Troubling; will the STEM gap ever close?

    1. “Math is hard!”

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  24. Links after the P.M. Links with no links trigger warning?

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  27. So, I will say again.

    Johnson has no chance of winning. Zero. I’m not saying he is s poor candidate (he is fine). He just won’t win.

    Here is who could win on the Libertarian ticket. Rand Paul. And here is how. Not on the electoral college numbers. But by being strong enough to get the election thrown to the House. He could get a large enough number of Repubs, Dems and Independents to make that happen.

    And it’s clear that there are a lot of sitting Repubs in the House who do not want Trump. Paul would have a good chance.

    Of course, he would have to resign from the Repub Party, and join Libertarians. It would take courage. It’s what Libertarians should be clamming get for, because it is the first time in s generation that a third party actually has a chance.

    Sadly, he just embraced Trump. Not so much courage to stand up for principle, I guess.

    1. What Socialist party candidate won the White House and got the communist income tax into the U.S Constitution?
      What Prohibition Party candidate became president and made beer a felony through the 18th Amendment?
      None, you say?
      Well then, this is not about getting a single candidate’s hand on the Holy Bauble. Rather, it is about changing the laws. Those constitutional Amendments were accomplished with less than 2% of the popular vote by parties who refused to compromise on their principles. Gary is dull, but he moved the vote count in the right direction and is not a whack job. He is OK for putting our PLATFORM in front of voters so that they may cast spoiler votes and CHANGE THE LAWS. We’ve been doing this since 1972, with really good results. Before that kids were drafted and killed, abortion was illegal, naked pictures, contraception, gay dating, freedom of speech… we have those things because the LP’s integrity cowed the looters into repealing a mess of really bad laws. We are winning every election!

      1. None of those things happened on our generation.
        I didn’t say Johnson doesn’t deserve your vote. He does. But he can’t win. There is actually a decent chance Paul could pull this win off.

    2. That’s the least assholish thing I’ve ever seen you say. Kudos.

      1. I know. And every time I say it I wind up arguing with libertarians. You actually have a chance. Libertarians should take it.

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  29. Although Peterson’s comment might not be popular with libertarians from a personal policy perspective (and I don’t think he would be against personal use of pot, although I don’t know the man), I think he makes a valid point. This is the best chance the LP has to get that 5% threshold (or more) and the question really is, should the LP try to embrace a candidate that is more palatable to disenfranchised GOPers in an attempt to gain momentum, or should they choose a single comment to disqualify a candidate?

    It’s pragmatism over unbearably strict idealism, and I hope, for the sake of the movement, the LP doesn’t let infighting get in the way of the bigger goal.

    1. They should forget about votes from the major parties and go just for the independents.

  30. I’ve been gathering info on candidates, since Reason doesn’t. This just in:
    Darryl Perry, website freetalklive.com, is pretty sane and rational, understands the constitution, pro-choice.
    Heidi Zeman, foggy, but pro choice. On abortion: “In my opinion, it is not a crime.”
    Austin Petersen: antiabortionist, against the non-aggression principle (hence not a libertarian). A cheerful infiltrator.
    Mcafee: Joined the party less than 6 months ago, publishes no positions, but glittery ads; points pistol at own head.
    Gary Johnson of NM: sort of pro-choice on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, kind of antiabortion on Tuesdays and Thursdays, a narcoleptic campaigner, otherwise unobjectionable. Of course I will vote libertarian no matter what, but would only contribute money to Darryl’s campaign.

  31. Johnson should be the nominee and he should go with a hardcore libertarian campaign (end the War on Drugs, bring home the troops, seperation of Economy and State) targeting the 40% of independent voters.

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