Has Trump Dissatisfaction Made the Libertarian Party More Attractive?

The percentage gains since Trump became a GOP leader in new Libertarian Party donors has been impressive, but the whole numbers are still small.

Can #Nevertrump mean that some Republicans of free-market/small-government principles will consider the Libertarian Party (L.P.), especially now that it is as sure as can be that Trump is the GOP nominee?

Gage Skidmore via Foter.com / CC BY-SA

The L.P. has, in the months since Trump started dominating the GOP race, seen some progress, though it is progress from a place where percentages seem much more impressive than raw numbers. 

The Party had been averaging for most of last year 114 new donors a month, but this year as Trump became more prominent, they pulled 546 new ones in March and then 706 in April.

The L.P.'s total current active donor number rose 4.32 percent over the past year, though still amounting to only 13,028.

The number likely to vote for the Party is of course enormously larger; their presidential candidate in 2012, former Republican Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico, got a record 1.2 million votes for the Party.

A lot of that data is conveniently gathered in an article today at Washington Examiner by Ashe Schow, which runs under the less-exciting-than-it-sounds headline "Libertarian Party membership applications double after Trump becomes GOP nominee."

That's 99 new memberships from last night til noon, compared to 46 the previous day. It is almost certain that Trump is to blame, and it's nice, but even 100 new members, or voters, every day between now and the election will not do a whole lot in and of itself to propel the Party to fortune or victory. 

David French at National Review today is willing, in that magazine's anti-Trump tradition so far, to say true conservatives or any voter of "integrity" need to think third party and throws at the Libertarian Party the damnably faint praise of:

Now is an ideal time for the Libertarian Party to get its act together and nominate a truly serious candidate — a person who may not meet the party's typical purity tests but who can at least make a serious argument and advance a range of policies that unite both conservatives and libertarians.

It's unclear if French has never heard of the L.P.'s last nominee and very probably their next one, former Republican Gov. Gary Johnson, a beloved GOP manager of a then-quite Democratic state with a pretty impressive record on taxes and spending and vetoing, and the first state leader to be openly for pot legalization to boot. (That's a plus, National Review.) Or perhaps for some reason successful two-term Republican governor isn't "serious" enough for French, in which case, be happy with Trump and your godawful old party.

This roundup of nevertrumpers at The Blaze also manages to find no one willing to say the words "Libertarian Party." It seems even Republicans in exile can't manage to be serious enough about liberty to think the previously unthinkable.

Comments

[eyeroller]

a person who may not meet the party's typical purity tests

Sorry, Mr. conservative, your people royally screwed up your nomination. Don't try to get other parties to nominate right-wingers for you.

[The Other Libertarian]

Its the same hubris that leads these people to accuse you of throwing away your vote, when you don't vote for their candidate. Him and his kind can go dangle their chads someplace else. Fuck'em.

[Hyperion]

Yes, to the 1% of people who were already going to vote libertarian.

[Fist of Etiquette]

GaJo simply doesn't have the hairdo to bring in the chick vote.

[Hyperion]

I'm must not sure if the way he always looks angry is working for him. It apparently works for Bernie. You know, because he's a commie and commies are always angry because their ideas never have any possibility of working and people make fun of them for their total economic illiteracy.

Maybe if libertarians also get really angry because the libertarian moment never arrives, then he can make it work.

[Quincy.]

"Hey, baby. Sorry, my hair's a bit of a mess. Climbing down Everest will do that."

[Crusty Juggler]

I disagree - chicks dig the salt and pepper look.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

What post were you promised in the Soave administration to post that comment.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

First Faghag

[Fist of Etiquette]

It was a trick question. There is no chick libertarian vote.

[Hyperion]

Can #Nevertrump mean that

Apparently, looking at this in a logical and objective manner, would mean that #Nevertrump was pretty fucking good for Trump, not so good for anyone else.

[Microaggressor]

I'm holding onto my Johnson.

[DenverJ]

That's not even a euphemism.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Now is an ideal time for the Libertarian Party to get its act together and nominate a truly serious candidate ? a person who may not meet the party's typical purity tests but who can at least make a serious argument and advance a range of policies that unite both conservatives and libertarians.

Ever notice how conservatives always demand libertarians concede principals in order for the vaunted "fusionist" dream to work and are never willing to concede anything themselves?

[Heroic Mulatto]

*principles even. Though it works the first way too.

[Hyperion]

IOW, it's time for us to forget about those silly principles and become just like the other 2 teams. Libertarian moment!

[Tak Kak]

"IOW, it's time for us to forget about those silly principles and become just like the other 2 teams. Libertarian moment!"

If it gets the party up to 2% would it count as a success or failure?

[Hyperion]

I mean I know this is probably silly, but if we become more like team purple, don't we lose as much appeal as we gain? I'm not sure there's even a +1% in this formula.

[Tak Kak]

Agreed, it was nothing but a joke. Even if doubling the market share was achievable, 2% is still just a huge loss here, they'd be better off sticking with what principles they have. (Not that the party doesn't or can't change ever)

[Chipper Morning Wood]

As Rand Paul learned.

[Cytotoxic]

Rand Paul has achieved more in his position than the LP ever has.

[Zunalter]

Sure, the LP hasn't endorsed Trump or McConnell, so Rand has that going for him.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

It would be a doubling of market share.

[robc]

Dorsnt GaJo meet that definition. He faild the purity test on gay nazi cakes.

[Notorious UGCC]

This issue is more than a minor "purity test."

It simply tells conservatives they are not welcome in the Johnson movement under *any* circumstances.

[Garnet]

It's very unfortunate that he is fine with compulsion on this matter, yes. His professionalism and experience would otherwise make him appealing to a lot of small-government-minded conservative voters who are suddenly without a home.

[Emmerson Biggins]

What? I think it tells libertarians they are not welcome in the Johnson movement more so than conservatives.

Hehe, Johnson movement.

[The Elite Elite]

Yup, pretty much. You're only a "serious" candidate if you don't believe in those silly things like non-intervention and ending the drug war. If conservatives were actually serious about trying to unite with libertarians for a common goal of reducing the size and scope of government they'd come to the table and try and actually compromise. Like maybe "alright, we'll help you with rolling back the war on drugs if you'll be more accepting of military interventions abroad." Something along those kinds of lines. Nope it's always, "well, those libertarians are just a bunch of purists. Can't they see that we're closer to their views than Democrats/Progressives, so why don't they shove their views up theirs asses and accept our views in the places they differ?"

[Cytotoxic]

Pretty much this.

But it's worse: conservatism is such an incoherent pile that there's nothing to negotiate from. Any 'compromise' has no value except to those who negotiated it.

[Grant]

I have to shake my head at evangelical Christian conservatives . . . the NT is about the Carpenter's Son (the hero) consistently preaching individual freedom, compassion, and personal responsibility. Jesus was a libertarian - not a Pharisee.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

It's David French. His strong suit is acting as an apologist for police abuse.

[Notorious UGCC]

You're suggesting that conservative need to be more liberty-oriented if they're going to be actual "fusionists"? Because I would agree.

[SIV]

The Libertarian Party Needs to Grow Up.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Skimmed it. Strange article that does a lot of question begging in the first paragraph.

Jumping down to the last candidate, the author doesn't tell us what a "serious" candidate is. Just that the libertarians need one.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

last paragraph*

[SIV]

"A serious candidate" has to respect our central banking, national security and federal law enforcement institutions while honoring and fulfilling America's unique role and responsibility for international leadership

[Cytotoxic]

No thanks.

[robc]

You dont get a vote, so shut the fuck up. But I agree.

[Cytotoxic]

I do get a vote, just not there. Never gonna shut up.

[straffinrun]

So more of the same?

[GILMORE?]

"A serious candidate" has to respect our central banking, national security and federal law enforcement institutions while honoring and fulfilling America's unique role and responsibility for international leadership

So =

- let the Fed continue its endless monkeying
- grow Pentagon spending at ever-higher rates
- let the newly-Militarized Federal Agencies expand their mandate indefinitely
- and keep sticking our dicks into other people's problems around the world

Is the person saying this the same person who in the above article actually said, " Conservatives have a hard time with the Libertarian Party because the party seems to only care about federalism when it comes to marijuana. "?

Because i'm having a hard time understanding wtf they think the word "Serious" means.

[Cytotoxic]

Also, I doubt he wants to match the 'maturation' of the LP in those regards with a maturation by conservatives in regards to immigrants.

[robc]

So Thomas Jefferson and Andy Jackson are tight out on step 1.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Yeah, fuck a bunch of that.

[IceTrey]

"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and Independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

J Q Adams 1822

[Cytotoxic]

Nowadays, that requires destroying monsters abroad.

[IceTrey]

What have Iraq, Libya and Syria done to any US citizen?

[IceTrey]

What have Iraq, Libya and Syria done to any US citizen?

[IceTrey]

What have Iraq, Libya and Syria done to any US citizen?

[Hyperion]

We had one, actually. But he was a Republican and then he tried to be more like a Republican. That didn't work out so well.

[ant1sthenes]

Needs to be a warmonger and copsucker. I don't think refugees from the Trump Party get to lecture anyone about serious candidates.

[Cytotoxic]

Don't be that way. If he has good points, then it doesn't matter where he's from.

[Jordan]

Ah, yes. Fighting against abortion and gay marriage is surely the ticket to electoral success. Maybe we can ask libertarian candidates to talk about "legitimate rape" too, while we're at it.

*facepalm*

[Crusty Juggler]

They should also try to convince the masses that Abraham Lincoln was a freedom-hating scumbag.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

And talk about the War of Northern Aggression at every opportunity.

[SIV]

I could be persuaded by such a candidate.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Yes, Erick, what the Libertarian Party is really missing are principled stands. They could learn something from conservatives. And also become pro-life stat.

[Cytotoxic]

He is right that the LP needs to grow up, he's just completely wrong about how to do so and indeed himself needs to grow up. But yeah the LP needs to mature-nominating Johnson? Again? That guy sucks he's as bad a spokesman for freedom as Gillespie.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Delicious.

[Cytotoxic]

?

[ant1sthenes]

Twelve-year-olds lecturing other people about growing up.

[Cytotoxic]

I find it hilarious how often people project their own immaturity onto moi, when I am more mature (and smarter) than half of this board put together.

You must be incredibly uninteresting to think this glibness on your part is 'clever' at all.

[ant1sthenes]

Hey, I didn't make the joke, I was just explaining it to you. I'm sure once you have a little life experience under your belt, you'll be able to figure things out all on your own. But until you get out of junior high, I think we ought to try to turn these misunderstandings into teachable moments.

[Cytotoxic]

Yawn. Call me when you've got better material.

[Tak Kak]

"I find it hilarious how often people project their own immaturity onto moi, when I am more mature (and smarter) than half of this board put together."

I'm surprised you're were so modest here. Only half?

[Cytotoxic]

I am a naturally conservative and modest person.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Cytotoxic, you are terrible at comebacks. Hopefully you will get more practice once you get to high school and encounter some mean girls. Although the Canadian version is probably just half-hearted apologizing.

[Cytotoxic]

Again: yawn. Shitty and unoriginal. Par for the course I guess.

[Old Man With Candy]

I'm surprised you're were so modest here. Only half?

He's right. At least half the posters are spambots and we can grant that he's smarter than a few lines of code.

[BigT]

"we can grant that he's smarter than a few lines of code"

AI has come a long way, OMWC. This is in serious doubt.

[MikeT1986]

For I am a billion times more humble than thou art.

[SIV]

Stopped clock

Blind squirrel

[Quincy.]

Stomped squirrel. Atomic clock.

[IceTrey]

Granting a proprietary right to the use of the womb to the fetus enslaves the women to it and violates the NAP. The simple fact is a fetus survives solely on the good will of the mother.

[retiredfire]

A newborn, also survives solely on the good will of the mother.
You OK with ending that parasitic arrangement, too?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

The Party had been averaging for most of last year 114 new donors a month, but this year as Trump became more prominent, they pulled 546 new ones in March and then 706 in April.

At this rate...[insert joke here]

[DenverJ]

What rate? $15 per hr?

[B. Woodrow Chippenhaus]

$15/hr? That isn't a living wage, you monster.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

This roundup of nevertrumpers at The Blaze also manages to find no one willing to say the words "Libertarian Party." It seems even Republicans in exile can't manage to be serious enough about liberty to think the previously unthinkable

...Next thing you know, everyone's smoking that weed and looking at porn!

[DenverJ]

Much better than smoking porn...

[Mr Lizard]

That's actually a thing. And seems kinda dangerous to me, but then I rarely watch the out-takes

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Lizard porn is like the most boring thing ever. Half of it just figuring out how to get the tails out of the way and then they just lay there, all tired from the ordeal.

[retiredfire]

It's going to take more than Trump to get people to join the "We're OK with all the progressive shit as long as we don't have to pay for it" party.

[Bruce D]

Yeah? What progressive shit is that?

[Hyperion]

The thing about this article that bugs me is that it apparently assumes that any gains in the libertarian party are due to Trump, and Trump only. I realize that there is some sort of general assumption that all libertarians are disaffected Republicans. But is that really true? Is there any possibility that any new libertarian gains might be due also to the fact that there's a corrupt cackling sociopath and a fucking communist running on the other side of team purple?

[SIV]

The establishment-lackeys want to Stop Trump but know they can't steer their low-info base to Hillary so they want to conscript the LP's ballot access to run a spoiler.

[Cytotoxic]

Speaking of low-info...

[Libertymike]

Yes, I was just thinking of you.

[Cytotoxic]

The irony...

Tell us about how the government pulled off 9/11.

[SIV]

Enough with the metric masturbation euphemisms

[Bubba Jones]

No.

[Crusty Juggler]

OT: A Brown who had the potential to change Trump's mind about immigration died a hero. Sad.

[Michael]

Why does it not surprise me at all that this is where you get your news?

[Crusty Juggler]

Gosh, I thought it was funny.

[Michael]

I did too.

[PapayaSF]

Satire site alert....

[GILMORE?]

A Brown who had the potential to change Trump's mind

I honestly thought this was going to be about a Cleveland football player.

[GILMORE?]

This is the third case this year

Sooner or later one of them will get it right.

[Michael]

How funny would it be if Johnson managed something preposterous for a third party in the general, like 3%, and Trump still won by a landslide?

That would be pretty fucking funny, right?

[Cyto]

At this point there are no answers that don't fall under the heading of "pretty fucking funny".

Since I was so spectacularly wrong about the electorate with regard to Trump, I'll make another prediction:

Clinton and Trump are so awful that the third party candidate route seems attractive. So Michael Bloomberg figures out a way to put his campaign machine to use. He doesn't stand a chance, but he does manage to suck all the wind out of the Libertarian and Green Party's momentum, destroying the one chance they had to get some national attention.

[Cyto]

At this point there are no answers that don't fall under the heading of "pretty fucking funny".

Since I was so spectacularly wrong about the electorate with regard to Trump, I'll make another prediction:

Clinton and Trump are so awful that the third party candidate route seems attractive. So Michael Bloomberg figures out a way to put his campaign machine to use. He doesn't stand a chance, but he does manage to suck all the wind out of the Libertarian and Green Party's momentum, destroying the one chance they had to get some national attention.

[Cyto]

At this point there are no answers that don't fall under the heading of "pretty fucking funny".

Since I was so spectacularly wrong about the electorate with regard to Trump, I'll make another prediction:

Clinton and Trump are so awful that the third party candidate route seems attractive. So Michael Bloomberg figures out a way to put his campaign machine to use. He doesn't stand a chance, but he does manage to suck all the wind out of the Libertarian and Green Party's momentum, destroying the one chance they had to get some national attention.

[Cytotoxic]

No. Especially with Gary Johnson as their nominee.

[straffinrun]

Needz more whinging about how we're never gonna get a libertarian president. Everybody hates Polyanna.

[Jerryskids]

I think #NeverTrump is about as principled as "Read my lips". At 99 sign-ups per day, you can stop wondering where all the principled free market/small government Republicans are - you're lookin' at 'em.

[Cytotoxic]

I don't understand how your second statement ties in with the first.

[Jerryskids]

Seriously?

Back in the long ago, there was a US President named George Bush who swore he would never, ever, ever under any circumstances raise taxes by famously declaring "Read my lips, no new taxes". And then he raised taxes. Which arguably cost him the election. Because he lied. Because he said he would never do something that he then went ahead and did. Which is funny because he thought if he didn't raise taxes it would hurt him politically and it turns out being a lying shitbag is worse politically than taking an unpopular principled stand. Especially when it's your political opponents pretending to be your friend who are urging you to "do the right thing" by betraying your principles. But it's not hard to betray principles you don't really believe in.

The #NeverTrump-ers are now metaphorically saying "Read my lips, I'll never ever, ever under any circumstances vote for Trump." And almost all of them will. Because they're lying. And because their political opponents are pretending to be their friends and urging them to "do the right thing" by betraying their principles. If they were truly principled, they'd be joining the LP right about now. But it's not hard to betray principles you don't really believe in.

(As I said long ago, Trump is out to prove the GOP is so unprincipled that they'll even vote for a scumbag like Donald Trump - and I believe he's proved his point.)

[Cytotoxic]

"And almost all of them will."

Oh now I understand! You're clairvoyant/psychic. Well, you should talk to John about pretending to know what peoples' motivations are when you actually have no clue at all.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

Your hypocrisy here is astounding

[Cyto]

Not a very good retelling of the "read my lips" story.

Saying he lied is not just wrong, it is stupidly wrong.

What he did do is paint a big target for the opposition to hit during the campaign. And since they controlled congress, it was a pretty easy task. They just started attaching tax increases to every bill that came along. Lots of vetoes followed, then some government shutdown action and finally..... capitulation.

Bush's stupid pledge was an easy target for the Democrats. He was dumb to make it. But his real crime was putting the country ahead of party or personal power. He could have stood his ground and fought the opposition in congress. It would have been red meat to his base. But he decided to bite the bullet, trusting that the American people would see that he was doing what was best for the country. His optimistic hubris cost him dearly at election time.

[DenverJ]

LIBERTARIANS JUST RETHUGLICANS WHAT WANT TO SMOKE THE POT AND HAS THE SEX!

[Quincy.]

THE ORDERED LIBERTY OF A BOURGEOIS SOCIETY IS A PERVERSION WITH WHICH WE WILL NOT ABIDE!

[Mr Lizard]

STEVE SMITH SUPPORTS THIS MESSAGE. WONDERS WHY EVERYONE WHISPERING

[Quincy.]

WHAT!?

[Cytotoxic]

The best we can get is decaf libertarianism. That means leaving some third rails untouched. Forget non-interventionism; get actual DoW and a foreign policy that makes sense instead. Forget about SS/Medicaid reform; reform public pensions instead. Forget about legalizing meth; let states do what they want and defund/defang enforcement agencies. Etc. I don't know how what vehicle to advance this with. A third party run by Mark Sanford is as good a way to start as any.

[Quincy.]

Forget about legalizing meth

LEGALIZE COUGH SYRUP!

[Heroic Mulatto]

The best we can get is decaf libertarianism.

Ipse dixit!

[Cytotoxic]

Excuse me? Did you read the rest of the post? Do have any idea how to get Americans to accept ending SS? No? Okay, just don't use fallacy names to distract from not being able to accept reality.

The real counter would be to point to Liberland or ZEDE as a please where we can do better than decaf. Then I would modify the statement to say 'in North America'.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Do have any idea how to get Americans to accept ending SS?

Why would I need to when economic reality will do so very shortly? Speaking of reality, a list of all the cows you think not sacred doesn't constitute it.

[Cytotoxic]

Economic reality is only going to force a reduction in SS/Medi, not its end. That's what happened in Canada in the '90s. It's still a good point though.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Yes, but Canada doesn't have the vast military obligations and expenditures that the US currently has. Granted, it could go either way, but I can see the American people being asked "Listen, we can only afford to either keep you safe from [insert bogeyman here] or provide for your retirement, choose one" and have them choosing to continue funding the military machine. Indeed, privatizing SS would be a much easier sell than privatizing the military, no?

[Cytotoxic]

I disagree. The military machine is going to get the shaft if that's what it takes to keep Florida happy.

[DenverJ]

Neither will be cut. We'll borrow/print more money, because as the world's currency guaranteer we can, until the very end, when it all comes crashing down in a spectacular implosion.

[Cytotoxic]

That'll happen. I just hope the US doesn't become New Argentina, in a perpetual limbo of lefty miasma.

[DenverJ]

Modern day Russia compared to the USSR might be how I would describe it.

[SIV]

the vast military obligations and expenditures that the US currently has

Trump's riding this issue all the way up the steps and through the doors of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

[Cytotoxic]

Except when he's advocating for troops in Syria and 'rebuilding the US military'.

Your fantasies are cute though, but it will get old. Your tears in November will be delicious though, and they will never get old.

[Winston]

The best we can get is decaf libertarianism

But...but...libertarian moment!

[Cytotoxic]

Decaf L is a part of that moment.

[Raven Nation]

It's just a less-wired part.

[SIV]

Libertarian N.A.

Libertarian #3, with coating.

[Winston]

So if the LP does get a bunch of NeverTrumper refugees what's to stop them from turning the LP into Republican-lite?

[Heroic Mulatto]

What's the opposite of "vanguardist party"?

[Quincy.]

What's in the van? Why is every so keen on guarding it? WHAT'S IN THE VAN, MAN?!

[Heroic Mulatto]

It's not what's in the van; it's what's on the van.

[Quincy.]

Dude.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Is that Warlock's album cover on that van?.......Why, yes! Yes, it is.

[Winston]

Satellite party? Like all those parties in "coalition" with the Communists in North Korea, China and the Eastern Europe.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Eh. I prefer 'Knife Party'.

[Cytotoxic]

I KNEW that was what you were going to link to!

Don't really care for their other works.

[Heroic Mulatto]

"PLUR Police" is all right in certain contexts. But yes, they are no Klaypex.

[Cytotoxic]

Tha fuq is a Klaypex? That's an explosive right?

[Heroic Mulatto]

I like this one, YMMV. They've experimented with more than a few genres the past 2 years.

[Cytotoxic]

Can't say I love it, but it was interesting. Those dropships at the end were clearly ripped off the Combine of HL2.

OH SHIT THIS IS THE FUTURE UNDER CLINTON-TRUMP

[Cytotoxic]

Found in the 'recommended' list based on watching that: furry snuff music video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQgXeY_zi4

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

The worst thing you've ever posted

[Winston]

How about W.A.C. Bennett?

[Quincy.]

Republican-lite

I'm a craft-brew Republican. *swishes scarf*

[Winston]

Do you only like artisanal fair trade organic zero emission teal-colored marijuana grown in Outer Mongolia?

[Quincy.]

Dude, like, locavore.

[straffinrun]

We will no longer bomb the shit out of everybody to kill a few who are killing a few others.
We won't toss you in a cage for your own good or to make an example.
We won't point a gun at your head, take half your money and give it to whoever votes our way.

Bet you'd get 10% with that platform and you wouldn't have to talk about assex n weed.

[Cytotoxic]

"We will no longer bomb the shit out of everybody to kill a few who are killing a few others."

I doubt 10% of the population is on board with a foreign policy that treats them as a sacrificial lamb.

[straffinrun]

I figured you'd like that one.

[Cytotoxic]

Someone has to have morals rooted in reason. Guess it's me.

[Stormy Dragon]

Drink?

[Cytotoxic]

Why not?

[DenverJ]

I doubt 10% of the population is on board with a foreign policy that treats them as a sacrificial lamb.

You have a better chance of winning the lottery, or being struck by lightening, than you do being a victim of a terrorist attack in North America. Put on your big boy pants and stop trying to take my liberty/send my kid to war because you are a pants-shitting coward.

[DenverJ]

I like talking about assex n weed.

[mashed potatoes]

Why doesn't Doherty look into see if we can get some of the Koch money for a super pac for the lp candidate. It will take a lot of money taking against trump and Hillary to get gayJay to 15%.

[Notorious UGCC]

They'll be asking the Kochs for help in legal fees with that subpoena.

I think the last time the Kochs gave to the LP was when one of them was running on their ticket.

[Stickler Meeseeks]

Attractive to whom? Conservatives? Right up to the point of Mexicans, pot and ass sex

[Winston]

That's assuming you'll be getting all the fiscal-conservative small-government types...

[Quincy.]

McAfee says, "Wednesday."

[Jerryskids]

BTW: I was drinking heavily and visited the comments on one of the Trumpapalooza sites and holy shit - the average Trump supporter is about 14 with a mental age of 9? Jesus, I've read dick jokes here that have more substance and intellectual heft. They apparently seriously believe that the phrase 'Block Insane Yomomma' is a valid and winning argument. We are well and truly fucked when the people deciding who runs the government have an 8-second attention span, a 140-character vocabulary, a room-temperature IQ and a "Born 2 Loose" tattoo on the back of their neck. (I'm just guessing about the tattoo - it could be a "Master of Desaster" on their forearm, a "Broes B4 Hoes" on their bicep or an "Insane Clown Possy" muraled on their chest, I suppose.)

[robc]

I assume there is already an ICP all-girl tribute band named Insane Clown Pussy? If not, there should be.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Given the pics of Juggalos I have seen, the band would have to be called Insane Clown FUPA

[Cytotoxic]

These people are actually retarded. Like, there's something wrong with them. Maybe FAD, lead poisoning, or brain trauma I don't know. They're morons and there is nothing to be gained from trying to reason or negotiate with these retards. If Prez Clinton is what it takes to flush them down history's toilet then that's how it's going to be.

[commodious spittoon]

Cut them loose, tow them out to sea, and mine their ship. These are people for whom literacy tests as poll tax were invented. The franchise was never meant for this abuse.

[Cytotoxic]

I like how your jib is carved. You and I are of like mind on this. Even some of the regulars around here have 'low wattage' brains and really shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You dumdum, you can't carve a jib, it's canvas or Dacron.

[Hamster of Doom]

Cytotoxic|5.4.16 @ 10:09PM|#|?|filternamelinkcustom

I like how your jib is carved. You and I are of like mind on this. Even some of the regulars around here have 'low wattage' brains and really shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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I would make this my signature.

[Cytotoxic]

Cytotoxic: always a good choice.

[Winston]

So opposition towards Universal Suffrage. How reactionary. And which Top Men will decide who shouldn't be able to vote?

[commodious spittoon]

Not sure how much we have to gamble away, at this point. We've a choice now between a dummy and its ventriloquist. At stake is at least the first and second amendment, plus a slew of more prosaic concerns like whether healthcare is administered and paid for by the same agency.

[Winston]

And having the people who support those things disenfranchising the Trumpers will save us how?

[commodious spittoon]

Har. Droll. The people supporting Trump have no idea what they support. Trump himself is a willow in the wind, prodded by the breeze. Unfortunately the breeze is a leftward-bent windstorm.

[Winston]

As opposed to geniuses making up the rest of the electorate....

[commodious spittoon]

Yep! God rot the lot of them.

[Cytotoxic]

Winston won't be allowed to vote because he's a tiresome twat.

There's nothing 'reactionary' about opposing universal suffrage.

[DenverJ]

There's nothing 'reactionary' about opposing universal suffrage.

By the very definition of "reactionary" it is reactionary to oppose universal suffrage. I'm not commenting on whether or not universal suffrage is good (I think better than the alternatives), but your use of language is imprecise, which can make your thinking imprecise.

[DenverJ]

pot, meet kettle

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

You're just projecting your immaturity onto them.

[Cytotoxic]

No I'm not.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Oooooh, sick burn.

[DenverJ]

OR, just bear with me here, you could say "I know how fucked up Hillary is, Trump is just a dumbass, without any congressional backing from either party to actually accomplish his dumbassery. Whereas Clinton will have full support for her dumbassery from her flavor of congress, and 5 Supreme Court Justices (maybe more).
But no, Cytotoxic, everybody else is stoopid, and thar ain't no reason to listen to no stoopid people.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

I doubt those people are representative of most Trump voters, just like internet commenters aren't representative of most voters/people generally.

Selection bias and echo chamber exclusivity.

Curb your misanthropy?

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

And yes, I'm projecting and calling you black. (Not you, HM. African-American.) Asterisks and qualifications abound.

[Cytotoxic]

I have seen literally zero evidence to indicate that these people are not basically like this. I mean, they support Trump for prez.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

These people are, but it seems like a good many Trump voters so far are largely pretty generally-apathetic, "fuck it all, fuck DC" types. Yeah, maybe that's incredibly myopic and infuriating given the consequences, but they're not circle-jerking troglodytes.

[Cytotoxic]

I've met one of these 'people'. Lived right down to expectations. All he knows is his gun club and his metal work job. That's it. They are tiny people who want to live out big dreams vicariously through Father Trump.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

All he knows is his gun club and his metal work job. That's it.

It sounds like your gripe is that his world is small and he's far from omniscient.

I don't understand. Simplicity is per se bad?

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

Oh, you're referring to the type of person from the rah-rah-Trump site.

Still skeptical that they're representative.

[Winston]

All he knows is his gun club

Cytotoxic supports gun control.

[Cytotoxic]

STFU you mendacious cunt. Even if you're joking it's pathetic.

[Jerryskids]

My misanthropy is the only thing that brings joy to my life!

I get up every morning and drink my coffee and watch the Parade of Horribles known as the morning news (not for the news itself, just because I find the concept of some idiots chosen specifically for whiteness of teeth and style of hair and perkiness of smiles being the Chosen Ones selected to determine what it is that's Important For You To Know so fascinatingly ridiculous) and read the first few pages of Genesis and reflect on the implications ( think about it - God created Adam and Eve as his little pet monkeys to wander around the Garden, eating when they got hungry, sleeping when they got tired, basically just wandering around doing nothing without a care in the world or a thought in their heads and then they ate the forbidden fruit, became self-aware and grasped the idea of good and bad and right and wrong and gained free will - became human beings, iow - God kicked their ass out of the Garden because He didn't want any goddamn thinking rational beasts, He wanted a fucking pet monkey! and how's that make you feel knowing that God prefers monkeys to your dumb ass?) and then I come here to read a little intelligent conversation.

And if that don't depress you and make a misanthrope out of you, well, you're probably the sort of joyless fuck who wouldn't even laugh seeing a fat toddler getting run over by a riding lawn-mower.

[commodious spittoon]

and read the first few pages of Genesis and reflect on the implications

Phil Collins was okay.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Or you can just...masturbate?

[Jerryskids]

I lost both my thumbs in a horrible Chinese finger-trap incident I'll have you know, and thank you ever so much for reminding me of it you heartless bastard!

[commodious spittoon]

I'd heard they're tight, but... I didn't realize their vaginas really are slanted.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[Suthenboy]

I still think that Max Headroom V10x will take over the morning propaganda at some point. Entire lives will be invented for them so that they can gain celebrity through gossip mags and teams of writer/handlers will guide their on screen performances for maximum impact. The left will go this route while the conservative radio guys will kick their asses with the thinking crowd but lose the listeners/watchers who like sparkly things and silly noises.

[Cytotoxic]

" the conservative radio guys will kick their asses with the thinking crowd"

Uh, they sure haven't so far.

[DenverJ]

" I was drinking heavily..."
Good for you. Keeps you healthy.

"visited the comments on one of the Trumpapalooza sites"
well, that is the downside of drinking heavily: poor judgement.

"the average Trump supporter is about 14 with a mental age of 9"
yes, but the average Trump voter has to be at least 18

"Jesus, I've read dick jokes here that have more substance and intellectual heft"
and you've laughed, admit it.

"We are well and truly fucked"
yup

[buybuydandavis]

Can #Nevertrump mean that some Republicans of free-market/small-government principles will consider the Libertarian Party (L.P.), especially now that it is as sure as can be that Trump is the GOP nominee?

It's a pretty good fit. Get all the people on the Right who think politics is about virtue signaling instead of winning in one party. The Greens of the Right.

[buybuydandavis]

Then again:

This roundup of nevertrumpers at The Blaze also manages to find no one willing to say the words "Libertarian Party."

I forgot that if you're all about virtue signaling over winning, why join with anyone you have the slightest disagreement with?

[Cytotoxic]

The irony...the lack of awareness...or any mental capacity whatsoever.

[Libertymike]

Lots of irony tonight?

[Cytotoxic]

From stupid people like you yes.

[Hamster of Doom]

I like how your jib is carved. You and I are of like mind on this. Even some of the regulars around here have 'low wattage' brains and really shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Cytotoxic]

+1

[Quincy.]

Viva motherfucking capitalism! I bought paint the other day. It was made in Mauritius, of all places. It is good paint. Would buy again.

[Hyperion]

You just bought paint made by people making less than $15 an hour, you privileged shitlord.

[Quincy.]

So?

[Hyperion]

Just forget about all of this silly political stuff, folks. In more important news, Caitlyn to pose nude for Sports Illustrated:

Ewww baby!

[Libertymike]

Covered by the Stars n' Stripes.

Oh say can you see cultural appropriation?

[AlmightyJB]

I find it totally weird that Caitlyn bears zero resemblance to Bruce. It's like Bruce committed suicide.

[Suthenboy]

It's not LIKE he committed suicide.

[Cytotoxic]

Fort McMurray burns. 1600 structures lost. If you want a preview of The Apocalypse have a look.

http://news.nationalpost.com/n.....es-to-burn

http://news.nationalpost.com/n.....-out-alive

Similar event happened 5 years ago in Slave Lake. Less damage but people died then.

[Cytotoxic]

This also doubles as a preview of what's coming to the GOP in November.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

Jesus Christ.

[Cytotoxic]

So in Libertopia how are fires handled? I don't just mean 'who fights them' but how are damages passed along? It's more complicated than 'who started it'. The state of your privately held forest could be very flammable.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Do you even know that most firefighting companies start out as volunteer companies and are later taken over by the county?

[Cytotoxic]

I did not. No need to be pissy about it.

[Libertymike]

Tellz us pleez about the complications of apportioning damages arising out of the conflagration of canuck coniferous forests.

[Suthenboy]

IP rushes firefighting equipment and personal to the best place to control the blaze. I rush to the same spot. Back and forth from my property to theirs the two of us put it out. If I only put out the fire on my acreage it will simply spread back from theirs, and visa versa so we cooperate. On the rare occasion when the 'bug' is caught (usually a pissed off dog hunter getting revenge for being thrown off of someone else's private property) He will not be prosecuted. Best bet is civil suit where the restitution is 3x the damage by law. Insurance is an option as well. Ultimately the damage will be passed along in the form of higher prices for lumber.

I think the last time I had to put one out using just a shovel I put out around 30 acres and it was mostly IP land. IP didn't show up until after I had out and they were very grateful. They graded my road in return.

[Cytotoxic]

Good answer. What's IP?

There's another issue: controlled burns. Most forest NEEDS to burn to be 1) healthy and 2) not a tinderbox. It's difficult to know how to handle this.

[SIV]

Freedom of Association

[AlmightyJB]

He's going to go out of business in Asheville. That's hipster central.

[SIV]

Subaru reliability goes to shit after 80k miles. A tow truck is a license to print $$$.

[AlmightyJB]

But if you're not going to tow Bernie supporters

[commodious spittoon]

My Subie's been a dream... granted, I got her at 150k miles, so my expectations are pretty much shot. Much like my CV joints, and my struts. Still, the engine's been a dream.

[Libertymike]

The Bernista looks to be Cyto's type.

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

Holy shit, those comments.... They pretty much prove the tow truck guy's point.

Freedom of speech argument...check.
"If you serve the public, you can't behave this way" argument....check.
ROADZ!!1! argument (or, variant)...check

Shit, one person even managed to claim that if you attended a "religious service", that's socialism. I guess because the gov runs all houses of worship...?

[Libertymike]

You read the FB comments as well!

Perhaps Cyto's IQ is greater than half of that combined commentariat !

[Cytotoxic]

Not half. All.

[commodious spittoon]

Has [...] made the Libertarian Party more attractive?

No.

[Quincy.]

[...]

Fine, shut up. The FA Hayek Bikini Shoot was a bad idea.

[commodious spittoon]

You should have gone with the girls on the seventh floor.

[Libertymike]

-Or-

How about merging Hayek with the hoes? Heaven on the 7th Floor?

[Quincy.]

Now, that's my kind of spontaneous order!

[commodious spittoon]

Hayeks before dyke exes, bro.

That's all I got.

[Quincy.]

*slow clap*

[commodious spittoon]

You don't want to bet against the girls of the seventh floor.

[Cytotoxic]

Croatian court ruling favors Liberland state-hood.

link text

[Quincy.]

Hey! Everybody! Danubistan or bust!

[Suell]

My wife just became a citizen last year and registered as a Libertarian this past week. Not that the LP is effective in any way, shape or form but I told her that we might get to be in the same section of the camps that way.

[AlmightyJB]

Congratulations!

[Notorious UGCC]

Congratulations.

[Notorious UGCC]

At least on the naturalization - the LP thing, the jury's still out.

[commodious spittoon]

Convert her to Catholic and you'll have the Eddie Threesome. No pun intended.

Why are you nicknamed Eddie, anyway?

[Notorious UGCC]

I used the handle Eduard van Haalen in an article about marijuana in the Netherlands. Some town limited MJ to Dutch citizens, so I did a version of the Deputy van Halen joke from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and suggested that Americans take Dutch names to get dope.

Then I kept using the handle.

It turns out the joke wasn't all that funny since the real Eddie van Halen was actually born in Holland and he's basically as Dutch as a windmill made of gouda. So I belatedly changed my hangle.

[commodious spittoon]

Huh. Turns out, we've been acquainted.

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Your wife is stunning and brave.

[Suell]

Thanks y'all.

[grrizzly]

Congrats! I expect to be a citizen too in a couple of years. Not sure about the LP registration, it's all about being Unenrolled over here.

[AlmightyJB]

So where do we agree with Republicans? 1st (mostly) and 2nd amendments and sometimes10th amendment? Cutting at least some government agencies. Cutting taxes. Free trade. Capitalism (mostly). Hating progs.

[Cytotoxic]

EPA

[AlmightyJB]

School choice. Eliminating Public Sector Unions.

[Cytotoxic]

It's more than many give credit for-but it's not what they choose to prioritize.

[Soave the Last Dance for Me]

Where do we agree with each other?

[AlmightyJB]

Nikki is the worst

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Have to disagree there

[AlmightyJB]

You clearly fail the purity test

[See Double You]

I've noticed she and Epi have been gone for awhile...where could they be?

"Epi and Nikki sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G."

Or maybe one of them is the other's sock?

[mfckr]

You don't, really. Regardless of how much some opinions on some issues might appear to overlap.

Conservatives, like Progs, really don't trust other people's agency.

[AlmightyJB]

I agree, but some of those overlaps could help bring some people over.

[Jerryskids]

I think it comes down to a matter of faith, a belief in something larger than yourself that is Right and Good and True. Libertarians I think generally accept that life is kinda absurd and you gotta be free to find your own meaning in it, find your own place and your own community. Both the Left and the Right think they already know what is Right and Good and True and what your meaning and purpose is and they're determined to make you do your duty to whatever it is that's this larger thing - God or country or the Family of Man or whatever. They have faith that they know The Truth whereas libertarians are pretty skeptical, if not on the idea that there even is any Truth, at least skeptical that anybody silly enough to think they know The Truth actually knows The Truth or is fit to tell other people how to live according to The Truth. And they tend to extend that skepticism to themselves. "Live and let live" requires a certain amount of healthy doubt that you've got Life all figured out and a nagging little voice that tells you just maybe those idiots over there doing that stupid stuff they're doing aren't any bigger idiots than you are and the stuff they're doing isn't any stupider than the stuff you're doing.

[mfckr]

Yeah, I've a similar outlook.

Hayek elucidates a lot of what you just said as well.

[chemjeff]

Believe it or not, there are a lot of (former) Republicans such as myself who are deeply concerned about the size and scope of government power and want to see it restrained. We also see the move to put the immigration issue above all other issues is misguided, even while we don't support open borders.

[IceTrey]

End the War on Drugs and the border problem ends too.

[Winston]

Ah the battles between Libertarian Populists and Libertarian Elitists. This will be fun. And before any brings up Mencken need I remind you that he was a big fan of the Kaiser, Bismarck and Ludendorff, Robert Lafollette and initially was an FDR fan?

[You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)]

Need I remind you that no one cares?

[Quincy.]

Ah the battles between Libertarian Populists and Libertarian Elitists.

Peanut Butter! Chocolate! Oopsie!

[Winston]

So is Hillary Clinton the one thing Reason and the Communists can ally on?

[AlmightyJB]

The commies seem to be less interested then the gop in fucking everyone elses country up. They're focused on fucking ours up.

[Winston]

Um they endorsed Bill, Obama and will endorse Hillary...

[AlmightyJB]

And a lot of conservatives will end up endorsing Trump.

[chemjeff]

Well Trump has pushed me to the Libertarian tent. Because at this point, the Libertarian nominee will be more conservative than both the Republican and Democrat nominees, combined.

I voted for Harry Browne in 2000 when it was already abundantly clear, even then, that both candidates were big-government statists. Ever since then it's been defensive votes against the creeping left. And now that the left has fully saturated both the Democrats and the Republicans, I guess this is my last refuge.

I don't agree with everything in the Libertarian Party platform but I honestly don't know where else to go.

[chemjeff]

To be clear, the size and scope of government is my biggest concern. We have got to get the size of the behemoth under control until we are all dragged under by the leviathan.

[AlmightyJB]

It's really our largest national security issue.

[chemjeff]

Indeed, it is.

Only free people can defend this country from foreign threats.

[AlmightyJB]

Not to mention the homeland threat from hyperinflation if the government keeps printing money to feed the beast. Not all national security threats are external.

[Cytotoxic]

BTC

Consider moving to Canada.

[commodious spittoon]

The Athenians concur.

[chemjeff]

I will say that I don't think David French is entirely wrong in his point.

Of course I would not want anyone to sacrifice their principles.

On the other hand, this election is an excellent opportunity for the Libertarian Party to make a big statement.

There are a lot of Republicans who don't favor open borders, but who are nonetheless appalled by Trump's coded racism and general scapegoating of foreigners. I think if Libertarians could make a play for these voters, it could boost their standing.

I heard that it takes 15% in a national poll in order to make it to the national debates. Wouldn't it be something for a Libertarian candidate to be sharing the stage with both Trump and Hillary and be able to denounce both of their idiocies?

[Winston]

The Libertarian-Communist alliance to stop Trump will work out as well as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or the US-UK-USSR alliance survived WWII.

[Quincy.]

Phweet! Overblown comparison! 10 yards penalty!

[Winston]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....al_tickets

Not that overblown...

[Quincy.]

Phweet! Backtalk! 10 yard penalty.

[AlmightyJB]

I think Hildebeast is going to be president. I'm just hoping for some libertarian ideas to be part of the public conversation during the process.

[Winston]

I'm just hoping for some libertarian ideas to be part of the public conversation during the process.

Well "Libertarians want poor people to die!" is a conversation.

[Notorious UGCC]

"My opponent wants to send libertarians to re-education camps. I say that's too lenient - hang them all!"

[Cytotoxic]

A meaningless comparison from a worthless commenter.

[Quincy.]

Cat video!

[Notorious UGCC]

That's like a Buckley-roll. Or a Friedrick-roll.

[Quincy.]

Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and serf you

[Notorious UGCC]

a cat video for your cat

[Quincy.]

He's bored.

[Notorious UGCC]

It's the Ishtar of cat videos.

[Winston]

So are there ant LRC articles talking about how Trump is going to be the American Kerensky that Rothbard hoped for?

[Winston]

So would you rather be Ludwig Kaas or Wilhelm Kulz?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

I still think Hillary should flash her boobs to boost her ratings.

[Winston]

Have a coming out party?

[Libertymike]

Saggy tits boost ratings?

[commodious spittoon]

She's so far in the hole, what else could improve her ratings?

Oh, right, running against a joke candidate like Trump.

[Libertymike]

I like the "carve" of your jib.........or is it I like how your jib is carved................

Seriously, as between the tweedledumbs and the tweedledumbers, is the Donald vs. the Hildebeast any worse than Obama v. Mittens, Obama v. Keating's catch, W. v. John Forbes Kerry, W. v. Tipper's former testosterone fix, WJC v. Bob Dole, GHWB v. WJC, GHWB v. the insufferable son of greek immigrants et al?

[Cytotoxic]

Yes.

[B. Woodrow Chippenhaus]

That would involve taking off her shoes.

[Calidissident]

I read through some of the Trump threads from earlier, and wanted to respond to a point I saw different people make repeatedly.

I saw numerous people dismiss those who were skeptical of Trump's chances in the general by more or less saying "who says what the polls say, Trump proved the polling wrong already, etc." This makes no sense because Trump did no such thing. Trump has been winning in the polls since July, aside from a brief period around November when Carson was even with him. The pundits and analysts who said he couldn't win were going against the polls, and argued that he would eventually fall for various reasons, much like how the flavor of the month candidates in 2012 fell (Perry, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich, etc.). But at no point was Trump losing in the polls for any significant amount of time or by any significant margin.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-3823.html

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

I thought the pundit argument was basically the same: his unfavorables are too high to win a one-on-one election. If Trump was some previous unknown with decent unfavorables, would the pundit class declare Hillary's lead insurmountable?

[Calidissident]

The pundit argument was a combination of things: high unfavorables, lack of endorsements, divided field, etc. There were a few different things. My point is that the polls weren't wrong in this case; analysts just thought that the polling (and ultimately voting) would change at some point and it never did.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in the last sentence. Trump has historically high unfavorables, so I'm not sure how there'd be some unknown candidate comparable to him in that regard.

[Sidd Finch v2.01]

I'm not sure how there'd be some unknown candidate comparable to him in that regard.

That's not the hypothetical.

[Calidissident]

Then by all means elaborate. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.

[IceTrey]

The odds are on Hillbillary's side.

https://electionbettingodds.com/

[Cytotoxic]

WHYCOME FAGGOT USE NUMBRS AND FAX

[PapayaSF]

There has indeed been a "Bradley effect" with Trump, who often outperforms his polls. From Mickey Kaus:

But here are the last six primary states, with the percentage Trump got in excess of his final RCP poll average:

New York +7 (Polls?53% Actual?60%)

Connecticut +5 (Polls?54% Actual 59%)

Delaware +8 (Polls?55% Actual?63%) **

Maryland +9 (Polls?47.7% Actual?56.5%)

Pennsylvania +10 (Polls?48% Actual?58%)

Rhode Island +12 (Polls?52.3% Actual-64.7%)

[Winston]

So who will be the American LP WAC Bennett?

[Winston]

Who is more delusional: Gillespie and Welch's proclamation of the Libertarian Moment, Shlomo from Train of Life or that guy from An Occurrence at Owl Bridge?

[commodious spittoon]

What about that guy from Jacob's Ladder?

I never watched Jacob's Ladder, just had the plot described to me.

[Notorious UGCC]

What about [SPOILER ALERT] Bruce Willis in Sixth Sense?

[Notorious UGCC]

See, a spoiler alert isn't that hard.

[commodious spittoon]

Well, tag your Die Hard references. They're still good after the second one, yeah?

[Winston]

What?! Nooooo!

[Quincy.]

An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge

One of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes.

[commodious spittoon]

"An Occurence at Stoolbend Bridge" was... explicit. And scarring.

[Quincy.]

French Directors are known to do that.

[commodious spittoon]

Fuck. I ripped off that godawful Family Guy spinoff without meaning to.

[Winston]

Actually an Oscar-winning French Short film.

Oh and Peyton Farquhar was a slave-owner. Should the story be banned? Should Ambrose Bierce be banned? And does that make everyone who thinks that any story is a dying hallucination a racist?

[Quincy.]

Rod Serling introduced it as a Twilight Zone episode. Therefore it is a Twilight Zone episode.

It has therefore been UnFrenchified.

[Winston]

So does anyone know why the Anglo-Soviet Invasion of Iran is glossed over when people speak of the CIA overthrowing Mossadegh and "installing" the Shah? I mean it makes Stalin look good, can't be it right? And glossing over MI6's role ignores how if it was okay for Churchill to oust the Shah then why was it bad to oust Mossadegh?

[(((Neocon)))]

Vote for the Libertarian party? No thanks. We've got enough trouble on our hands suppressing the racists, we don't need you spergs thinking your views actually matter.(Because, unlike the racists, who are a dime in a dozen in this country, libertarians are quite rare) Yes, we know you're "with the program" on immigration, but, even though you're too PC to use the phrase, your "America first" foreign policy is simply unacceptable. We prefer Hillary.

The only way we'd vote for you is in an "alliance" which means what it's meant for the past 30 years(remember "fusionism"): that we move an inch and you move a mile.

[Winston]

The Neocons were originally disgruntled Democrat Cold Warriors so why not vote for Hillary?

[IceTrey]

Why suppress the racists?

[Suell]

It's too bad GayJo wasn't more charismatic and well spoken. I agree with 90% of his positions and he has a pretty solid record of trying to curb spending. The main focus of the LP should be on getting their nominee to poll high enough to get in the debates. That would be a huge accomplishment. Where is the Kochtopus when you need it?

[commodious spittoon]

Why is it GayJo and not GayJay? If Taylor Swift can have TaySway, what's wrong with GayJay?

[Quincy.]

GJohn?

[commodious spittoon]

You're dead to me. DEAD.

[Quincy.]

Fun.

[commodious spittoon]

That doesn't rhyme with John.

[Quincy.]

Neither does whatever.

[commodious spittoon]

What?

[Quincy.]

Who?

[commodious spittoon]

Ever.

[Quincy.]

No idea.

[commodious spittoon]

You interrupt someone mid-spiel and ask them, WHAT? and when they begin repeating themselves, you immediately interject, saying EVER.

It used to piss me off when my older brother did it. And, subsequently, every one of my girlfriends.

[Quincy.]

I still don't know what's supposed to rhyme with John!

[Cytotoxic]

He's an inarticulate idiot who was stupid enough to jump on the LP donkey over being senator. He ran a suck campaign before and there is no reason to believe he'll be any better this time.

[Cytotoxic]

Seriously, like I said before: him and Gillespie are perfect anti-spokesmen for the Libertarian movement.

[Winston]

I found this on Wikipedia. Alas the actual link is mostly paywalled:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners'_Holiday

Time magazine felt that the story was credible and that it was refreshing to see a feature that was less than an hour long, with a concise story, as opposed to unnecessarily long hour-and-a-half features, which had recently been released

Oh the irony.

[Winston]

We need an article on how getting subpoenaed twice in less than a year is evidence of the libertarian moment.

[Winston]

I think the Universities ought to borrow a page from Tiny Toons and rename themselves Looniversities.

[Quincy.]

Crap, now Porky Pig is probably out of a job.

[IceTrey]

Porky? Check you're microagressions.

[IceTrey]

Porky? Check you're microagressions.

[commodious spittoon]

Tiny Tunts.

Tum again?

[Cytotoxic]

I think it's time for you to stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

[Suell]

The best people in life are free.

[Quincy.]

Hookers, nope. Children, very expensive. Random internet commenters? Aw, that's sweet.

[IceTrey]

It's only when you've lost everything, that you're free to do anything.

[Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper]

Ima go out on a limb with, "No."

That is all.

[Winston]

There's nothing 'reactionary' about opposing universal suffrage

Uh, huh so returning to a 19th-century attitude of keeping the lower orders from voting. Not reactionary at all!

[Winston]

So Cytotoxic should Trump supporters be sterilized? Or euthanized?

[c1638630]

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[gjdagis]

Two out of the three people vying for the Libertarian nomination are for open borders. I simply CANNOT support anyone who doesn't support freedom in this country. The people who are overrunning our country tend to vote almost exclusively for left wing candidates who will ensure that we will lose all of our constitutional rights forever! In this regard they will RUIN this nation and the FIRST duty of any president is to protect the people of the United States and defend the Constitution. Letting these people in en masse is an attack on both.

[Zunalter]

Can #Nevertrump mean that some Republicans of free-market/small-government principles will consider the Libertarian Party (L.P.), especially now that it is as sure as can be that Trump is the GOP nominee?

Um, yes. Me for example.

[Rockabilly]

The addiction to centralized planning and free shit is worse than any known drug.

[nubwaxer]

oh goody, libertarians are illogical and inconsistent right wing extremist crackpots. i hope they attract a mass migration of the pseudo-intellectuals and anti-government militants. more power to them.

[Lynn R.]

"Libertarian Party membership applications . . ." ???: I have to fill out an application? I can't just change my registration with the county clerk?