ISIS Kidnaps Factory Workers, Texas Officer Body-Slams Pre-Teen, Giuliani Endorses Trump: P.M. Links

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    A Texas police officer is on administrative leave after a video showed him body-slamming a sixth-grade girl, 12 years old, to the ground.

  • ISIS may have kidnapped dozens of workers at a cement factory in Syria.
  • Detroit's school system is suing the governor of Michigan over the deteriorating state of the schools. The state took over the school system in 1999.
  • The shoe's on the other foot in New York City, where parents (and a pro-charter school group) are suing the school system for failing to adequately protect students from violence.
  • France has made it a crime to pay for sex. Those charged face thousands in fines and would be required to attend classes "on the harms of the sex trade."
  • South Carolina is now mulling a bill to block transgender people from using public restrooms that are the opposite of their birth sex.
  • I thought these links were going to be Trump-free, but then former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani endorsed Donald Trump. Authoritarians of a feather gotta stick together.

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  1. France has made it a crime to pay for sex.

    Bad sex is still legal?

    1. Hello.

      “A Texas police officer is on administrative leave after a video showed him body-slamming a sixth-grade girl, 12 years old, to the ground.”

      I’m looking forward to David French’s defense of the cop while explaining she deserved it.

      1. He first has to wipe off his monitor after the spontaneous orgasm he had after watching the video.

        1. + Jizz Shaw

          1. What is Heather MacDonald, chopped liver*??

            /Rhetorical

    2. Making it a crime to pay for sex has worked out so splendidly in the US.

      1. I’m very curious about the stats behind the French push. I’ve seen claims that 85% of French prostitutes are victims of human trafficking, and that legalization actually increases the number of trafficked women.

        1. I call bullshit on both those claims.

          I wish Maggie MacNeill (sp?) were a regular columnist here.

          1. Yes. Googling a claim like that with MacNeil’s name, or ENB’s name will most likely throw baking soda on that grease fire.

            1. I thought you were just supposed to unplug the oven during a grease fire? Or something

              1. My plan is to push whatever women or children are nearby towards the fire, and then run away.

                1. You are in Law Enforcement, aren’t you?

        2. I think they mentioned that in those documentaries that featured Liam Neeson.

        3. Why would you traffic women when prostitution is legal? You can find a dozen drop outs with big boobs of all ethnicities locally that don’t cost nearly as much as criminally importing prostitutes. The only ones that you’d bother doing it for are the ones that are going to be illegal for other reasons. In which case legalization/illegalization won’t matter.

    3. Costs extra if you want armpit hair.

  2. A Texas police officer is on administrative leave after a video showed him body-slamming a sixth-grade girl, 12 years old, to the ground.

    BUT THOSE ARE THE EASIEST ONES TO BODY SLAM.

    1. Two? Dammit.

      1. There’s no trick to it, it’s just a simple trick.

          1. Why should we be different than anyone else?

        1. I love a good obscure Simpsons reference. +1 inner child.

    2. Again with Texas and schools.

      “Your kids can’t walk home from school, but as long as they’re here we are free to body slam them.”

  3. A Texas police officer is on administrative leave after a video showed him body-slamming a sixth-grade girl, 12 years old, to the ground.

    In his defense, 12 year old girls are generally unbearable.

    1. On the other hand, NOT in his defense: if a private mall cop did this, he’d be fired and run out of town on a rail. But a cop gets every benefit of the doubt X 100.

    2. If a parent body slammed their own child like this I’m sure cops like this POS would arrest them, right?

    3. In his defense, 12 year old girls are generally unbearable.

      Like totes yeah.

    4. That’s not what OMWC tells me.

      1. He calls them used up.

        1. Too much grass on the field…

    5. A child was slammed and a hero went home safe to his family.

      1. A child potential school shooter was slammed assisted to the ground and a hero went home safe to his family.

        1. Lives were saved here! LIVES! WERE! SAVED!

  4. Detroit’s school system is suing the governor of Michigan over the deteriorating state of the schools.

    Who gets to sue whom over the other parts of Detroit that are deteriorating?

    1. The real question is not who, but when.

    2. I am sure that suing more than 15 years AFTER the state took over has nothing to do with Rs and Ds.

    3. It’s battlespace preparation for the election to make sure Michigan votes Democrat. Look at all the awful stuff we’ve had to sue the Republican governor for!

  5. There are Muslim men fighting for the right to kill their wives

    Groups of hard-line, right-wing Islamic extremists across Pakistan have banded together in protest to reclaim the right to abuse and kill their wives and daughters.

    The country has finally taken a progressive step forward on gender equality, but some men still believe the mistreatment of women is their divine, God-given right.

    The controversy began when the Pakistani government introduced the Protection of Women Against Violence Bill, which effectively criminalizes violence against women in Punjab ? the country’s most populous region.

    Before the law was officially enacted on March 1, diehard extremists attempted to block the legislation, saying it would “destroy the family system in Pakistan” and “add to the miseries of women.”

    The bill was passed unanimously by the Punjab Assembly, and opponents have since warned of ongoing protests if it is not repealed.

    1. But Pakistan is a democracy, so it’s all cool.

      1. And a partner in the war on terror!

    2. Come on America, Muslim immigration, get ya some of that.

      1. But it’ll be different here, John. Because reasons. Shikha says so.

        1. That should be because-reasons if your talking about Shikha.

    3. The controversy began when the Pakistani government introduced the Protection of Women Against Violence Bill, which effectively criminalizes violence against women in Punjab ? the country’s most populous region.

      Before the law was officially enacted on March 1, diehard extremists attempted to block the legislation, saying it would “destroy the family system in Pakistan” and “add to the miseries of women.”

      “Diehard”. *** snort ***

      Anyway, both their allegations are obviously correct.

    4. “Look, the decision whether to beat one’s wife is a private, personal decision between the husband and Allah. Why are you extremists trying to restrict access to spouse-discipline?”

      1. Because nobody who is both honest and serious questions whether those non-placenta-dependent women and girls are actual human beings. Butt-hurt and intellectually dishonest is no way to go through life, Eddie.

        1. Since I can’t immediately think of a witty insult, a simple “yo mama” will have to do.

          1. Or you could try not bringing your fetus obsession into every convo.

            1. No, *you’re* stupid!

              Sorry, I’m a bit short of witty responses today.

        2. Their husbands apparently question whether they have a right to live. The question is: Why do you think you have a right to gainsay them on that belief? Eddie at least has some consistency in why believes he can object.

      2. “My wife, my choice”

    5. “Look, the decision whether to beat one’s wife is a private, personal decision between the husband and Allah. Why are you extremists trying to restrict access to spouse-discipline?”

      1. As long as you do it within the first 30 years. /moderate islamist.

    6. Forget it, it’s Pakistan-town.

    7. I mean, what counts as violence in Pakistan? Is it violent to just make them eat dogfood or something?

    8. How exactly are these Islamic extremists “right wing?”

      1. Heteropatriarchy. Duh.

        1. What?

      2. Peculiar how the “right wing” in the Muslim world and the interests of the left wing in the Western world align so nicely, given that they’re ostensibly the antithesis of each other on all issues other than support for an all powerful state and the moral imperative for the West to be systematically colonized at their own expense.

        1. It’s completely shocking, to anyone that has never heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

      3. Because all religionists are right-wing, duh!

    9. They should be fighting for the right to party.

    10. They are probably just upset about global warming

      1. They need better job opportunities.

    11. “Groups of hard-line, right-wing Islamic extremists across Pakistan”

      Right wing? So they vote Republican then?

    12. heh heh… its against the law to beat your woman in pun-jab

  6. Detroit’s school system is suing the governor of Michigan over the deteriorating state of the schools. The state took over the school system in 1999.

    Everything was just peachy before then!

    1. $16k/year per pupil doesn’t buy what it used to.

    2. totally explains why the state felt it necessary to take over, doesn’t it? Probably happens with lots of thriving school systems because if we know anything about govt, it’s how bureaucrats and politicians love to emulate the success of others.

    3. But now it’s the governor’s buddies instead of the mayors buddies who will get all of the crony contracts.

  7. … former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani endorsed Donald Trump.

    And he knows a little something about man-made disasters.

    1. Are you saying he created 9/11?

      1. I know. His calamitous 2008 presidential run is still a fresh wound.

        1. They’re still pulling campaign staffers from the wreckage.

  8. High housing prices in Vancouver are causing shootings in Surrey, says “The Surrey Association of Sustainable Communities”, who has apparently never heard of the illicit drug trade.

    1. There’s that buzzword “sustainable” again. Something tells me that what they want is really only “sustainable” through the heavy hand of the state.

    2. That’s certainly a novel spin on the matter. Apparently “younger families” = shootings is a proven thing? Not that the quoted “expert” helps:

      It’s this idea that I know my neighbours, I know the people around me and I can rely on them because I have shared values.

      I live in Vancouver, and my building alone has ~200 apartments. If we assume 1.5 people per apartment, that’s 300 “neighbors” – how the dick can I know them all? I mean, yeah, I’m introvert and everything, but still. And the building across the street probably has even more people. Let alone “shared values”, unless he means like “do NOT shoot people over drug trade”?

  9. One billionaire moves south ? and New Jersey’s budget falls apart

    Billionaire David Tepper is moving from New Jersey to Florida this year ? and so is his tax contribution to New Jersey, which is so large the move threatens his former home’s state budget.

    The outsize dent one change of address can make sheds light not only on how much money America’s wealthiest citizens can move, but also on how much the “1 percent” contributes to a functioning government.

    Mr. Tepper, a highly successful hedge-fund manager, registered to vote in Florida last October, according to Bloomberg. He listed a condominium in Florida as his new residential address and moved his business, Appaloosa Management, to the Sunshine State. And the New Jersey legislature took notice.

    “We may be facing an unusual degree of income-tax forecast risk,” testified Frank Haines, a budget officer with New Jersey’s Office of Legislative Services, before a Senate committee Tuesday.

    New Jersey’s struggling state budget projections rely on income taxes for 40 percent of revenue, Bloomberg reported. To support this, the state levies the third-highest tax burden in the country, with a marginal income tax rate of almost 9 percent for top earners and an array of estate and inheritance taxes.

    1. Somehow I doubt that New Jersey will finally put 2 and 2 together and fix their mess.

      1. Don’t worry, there are still a lot of smokers they can use to balance to budget.

        1. Bitching about our awesomely low gas tax is the recent go-to move. They’re also huge fans of jacking of “service fees” for government-mandated interactions.

        2. And Virginia has a lot of cigarettes to ship to northern black markets. Of course some of our retailers get choked by NYC police…

    2. Good for him. I hope they feel it good and hard. But we all know that they won’t cut spending, just make things more miserable for the remaining people.

    3. So, Tepper read Atlas Shrugged, but he got confused and moved to Florida instead of Galt’s Gulch?

      1. “Holy shit! You can pump your own gas for half the price!”

        1. Gas is cheaper at the pump in NJ than FL. I’m unclear exactly why; I think it might might have something to do with a lot of refineries plus a low state gas tax. It’s one of the only things that’s cheaper in N-E-W Jerz than in the Gunshine State.

          The irony is that this is exactly what keeps NJ from changing its no-self-pump law: the residents don’t think they need it and the econo-illiteracy is so thick that they think it might even be a scheme to raise prices!

          1. Why do you want to take away the jobs of hardworking New Jerseyians shawn?

            1. Don’t worry, they’re usually not New Jerseyans.

        2. Actually, average gasoline prices in Florida seem to be a bit higher than in New Jersey. Just as they are higher in New York than in New Jersey, despite New Jersey being the only state of the three that requires an attendant to pump all gas. I guess the difference in state gas taxes outweighs the effect of having to pay the attendant.

    4. But wait, 0.1 percenters and their companies don’t pay any taxes or pay less than Warren Buffet’s secretary or something. Why do they care if he leaves?

      1. The cognitive dissonance of those folks is astounding

    5. This is one of the reasons I’m so for a flat property tax becoming the main source of income for government. Someone always has to own a property, so fluctuation will be negligible each year. Everyone who does anything in your state will have their dollars contribute to it through either owning property themselves or giving money to a property owner. If you make is flat rate per acre without adjustments it requires basically nothing to calculate, limiting the need for both tax prep services and tax collectors.

      If they’d drop the church and non-profit exceptions it would be perfect.

      1. I have decided the only fair way for Government to raise revenue is for all Government employees to raise 3x their salary each year via donations, bake sales, and selling their asses on the street. If they each raise 3x their salary that will pay for non labor expenses as long as they keep them reasonable. Plenty of office space in old factories that Government regulations have shut down, and if they want heat they can burn all their mandatory forms.

    6. They think New Jersey has a functioning government?

  10. Detroit’s school system is suing the governor of Michigan over the deteriorating state of the schools. The state took over the school system in 1999.

    Its like a junky lashing out at the nuns for being skimpy with the methadone.

    1. Do the brides of Christ have a monopoly on the methadone market?

      1. I was trying to be colorful.

        If you mean that the School system is lashing out because they’ve been deprived of essentially needed funds … well, I encourage you to give their historical budget #s even a passing glance. I think “junky” is probably the more generous term being used above.

        1. And I was just being snarky.

          1. Snarky, on Reason? That kind of behavior has no place here and will not be tolerated. Moderator! I have something to report!

            1. Your winnings, sir…

              1. Oh my! Plus 100 Casa Blanca

  11. I have a question about Hillary and Bernie fighting over who hates Wall Street and the Big Banks most – is it Wall Street and the Big Banks that represent New York values or is it the hating on them that represents the New York values?

    1. considering the amount of bank Hillary is taking in from Wall Street, I don’t think they are worried about her meaning any of it.

  12. Supreme Court Rejects Challenge on ‘One Person One Vote’

    WASHINGTON ? The Supreme Court unanimously ruled on Monday that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”

    “We hold, based on constitutional history, this court’s decisions and longstanding practice, that a state may draw its legislative districts based on total population,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote for the court.

    As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats and upheld the status quo.

    But until this decision, the court had never resolved whether voting districts should contain roughly the same number of people or the same number of eligible voters. Counting all people amplifies the voting power of places that have large numbers of residents who cannot vote legally ? including immigrants who are here legally but are not citizens, illegal immigrants and children. Those places tend to be urban and to vote Democratic.

    Did Reason cover this case at all? I never even heard of it until now.

    1. They don’t have time to cover EVERYTHING. Trump 2016!!!!!

    2. Serious question: Did this case rule pregnant women to be two persons? (For the purpose of districting, of course.)

    3. Reason might cover it if Trump opines on the subject. And then it will be to tell us his wrong, no matter his opinion.

    4. You would think the infamous 3/5ths rule for how people held in bondage counted for determining representative apportionment between the states was an exception which proved the rule that it was total population that should be determinate.

      1. You would think the infamous 3/5ths rule for how people held in bondage counted for determining representative apportionment between the states was an exception which proved the rule that it was total population that should be determinate.

        No, it proves the exact opposite. The whole purpose of the 3/5ths rule was because slaves couldn’t vote, but the people who would keep them in bondage could. You could hardly come up with a greater travesty of representation than giving slaveholders more voting power because they held more slaves.

        If you say total population should be counted for representation rather than eligible voting population, you are saying one of the following:

        1) You don’t agree with “one man, one vote”;
        2) You want everyone from newborns to illegal immigrants to be able to vote;
        3) You are mathematically illiterate.

        I stand aghast that not only did WaPo phrase the Texas challenge as against “one man, one vote” but the SCOTUS held unanimously that representation based on total population is consistent with “one man, one vote”.

        I mean seriously, where the fuck did you people learn to count? If there are 150,000 people in a district and 100,000 of them are eligible to vote, then the ratio is 3 to 2 not 1 to 1.

        I want to slap every one of these motherfuckers with a hardcover copy of Euclid’s Elements.

        1. This is absolutely tortured reasoning. Drawing up districts by total residency regardless of eligibility for the franchise is going to end up creating rotten boroughs. District 1, 600,000 residents all citizens. District 2 600,000 residents 1,000 citizens.

          I wonder if this decision really benefits the Dems as much as is implied though, since they have a history of fighting against any attempt to keep non-citizens away from the polls.

  13. Christian cross has no place on L.A. County seal, judge rules, even though it’s part of a depiction of the San Gabriel Mission.

    1. But atheists don’t want to banish all public forms of religious expression. That is not heir goal. They promise.

      1. Atheists as a group probably couldn’t give a crap about some county seal.

        It just takes one litigious atheist to ruin a perfectly good seal.

        1. Yeah its always the bad apples who give the rest a bad name. Kind of like cops.

          1. Sort of like how all the good county seals are ruined by religious zealots.

        2. You know, Eddie, you could ask an actual atheist. There are many of us here.

          1. And y’all aren’t shy about volunteering their views without being asked.

            1. The point was that this has probably been addressed here by me and others. Yet you chose to create strawmen rather than rely on easily-available resources. Remember what I said above about butt-hurt and intellectual dishonesty?

              1. Let me emphasize: Not *all* atheists are whiny, douchey assholes.

                Those who are will manage to make themselves known.

                Don’t you think?

                1. “Let me emphasize: Not *all* atheists xtians are whiny, douchey assholes.”

        3. Atheists too can feel outrage [but it’s rational outrage, ok?] and fight pointless symbolic battles!

          1. Fuck. Off.

            1. It’s ok, T. You’ll be ok.

        4. Or one club-wielding Canadian.

      2. Coming up next: Renaming Los Angeles since it means, you know, “The Angels”.

        1. The Dodgers are a superior team.

          1. The first sane thing you’ve ever said in your whole entire life. Also, how about renaming the Angels? The The Angels Angels of Anaheim doesn’t really roll off the tongue. Looking at you, Welch.

            1. Go easy on Welch. Even though they have the best player in baseball The Angels are most likely going to be dreadful.

              1. But hey, fireworks after a home run? TAKE MUH MONEY!!!

            2. When they do one of those stupid* Latin Nights, do they bill themselves as “Los Angeles de Los Angeles de Anaheim?” or do they just lazily make it Los Angels like every other team?

              *I don’t mind Spanish, but El Heat isn’t a thing. Just stop it.

              1. I don’t think the Angels (wisely) have a Latin night. But they do have a Filipino night.

                1. Hard liquor and handgun night!

        2. Don’t you know how triggering that name is?

        3. Oh, it’s much worse than that.

          “El Pueblo de Nuestra Se?ora la Reina de los ?ngeles del R?o de Porci?ncula”; in English it is “The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of the Porci?ncula River”. The Queen of the Angels is an honorific of the Virgin Mary.

      3. Well, THIS atheist doesn’t.

      4. They don’t want to ban all forms of religious expression. Just Christian ones. And Jewish ones.

        1. For some reason they feel safer starting shit with the ones who don’t go around cutting up and shooting uppity atheists.

    2. “It’s the symbol of the quartering of the universe into active and passive principles.”

      1. Oh, so basically Randian then.

    3. Why doesn’t LA go back to a less ugly version of its original seal?

      1. Interesting. At the very least I would have thought the original seal included a greying tower alone on the sea.

      2. Grapes, fish, beef…now I’m hungry…

      3. I’ve never been a big fan of the county seal. Mostly because the county includes all the riff raff outside the city lines. The City of LA seal is pretty badass, though.

        1. So its has the Feds and Soviets (red bear) trampling on Mexicans and Anglos (English lion) alike?

          1. Not sure if joking…but I’ll history nerd-out anyway. The 4 different symbols pay homage to the four different countries that Los Angeles has been a part of. Eagle (Mexico), lion (Spain), grizzly bear (republic of California), and the good ol US of A.

            1. Usually you won’t go wrong assuming I am joking in all my short posts. But since my pedantry means all my serious posts get long, you’ll never offend me by history nerding out. One thing I love about this forum is how often I actually learn something interesting by googling something I see posted.

              I did know the meaning of LA’s seal, but the Basque as a non indo european language (I actually kind of agree with Nikki that calling a living language pre indo european makes no sense) thing from yesterday was really interesting

    4. Meh, seems like a frivolous lawsuit to me. If the cross was truly meant to help identify San Gabriel Mission, I don’t really see where anyone is being microaggressed by its inclusion. Just my 2 centavos.

      1. I don’t really see where anyone is being microaggressed by its inclusion.

        It’s like you don’t understand microaggression at all!

    5. I submit that Los Angeles County must also change its name.

  14. Russian Counter Terrorist Training

    At the twelve second mark, dude runs up to the bus and hits it with a bomb on a stick. I’m sure this makes sense(?), but it is weird to see.

    1. “” I’m sure this makes sense””

      I guess the idea is to get terrorists to see the video and go, “HOLY SHIT THESE GUYS ARE NUTS”

      1. They are either very brave, or nuts. I can’t tell.

      2. “This looks…a little weird. Let’s stick to blowing up Belgium.”

    2. “You mean bomb on stick, like shish ka-bomb? Ha ha, is funny!”

      1. It made me laugh.

    3. Tactically speaking, blowing yourself and the hostages inside up does not seem to be the wisest course of action.

      1. These are Russians. All casualties are productive casualties to the Red Army and its descendants.

        1. (ponders…nods)

      2. Logic 101, terrorist blow up civilians to show how serious and scary they are, therefore terrorists must believe that blowing up civilians shows seriousness and is scary. Russian CT forces want terrorists to fear them and take them seriously.

        Conclusion

        Blow the fuck out of the civilians and terrorists alike, in the craziest bad-ass way possible. Give big Ivan a bomb on a stick and get out of his way.

      3. Holy shit. The guy who hit the bus with the stick just kind of backed away slowly. Colossus?

    1. Everyone knows terrorists think only two-dimensionally.

      1. RIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

        1. From hell’s heart I reply to thee.

        2. This IS Hit & Run alpha 5!

          1. HNR Alpha 6 was destroyed by a White Indian star.

    2. Tomorrow’s headline: Saudi Anti-Terror forces executed for witchcraft.

      1. How does photography fit in with the prohibition on depictions of living beings?

          1. Best movie ever

            1. Nobody said Armageddon!

  15. I thought these links were going to be Trump-free, but then former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani endorsed Donald Trump. Authoritarians of a feather gotta stick together.

    Rudy, Christie, Palin, Newt, and maybe Bill Bennett? That is kind of an all-star team.

    1. I don’t think so. Bill owes to many favors for covering up his gambling addiction. If he were to endorse Trump, the National Review might remember that making your career lecturing the country about “values” while secretly a degenerate gambler is kind of a problem.

      1. Trump apparently reached out to Bennett.

        Warning: BREITBART OMG DON’T CLICK IT IT IS FROM BREITBART

    2. I salute Shackford on his trolling.

    1. Don’t tell me: Australia.

    2. What, no basement?

      1. Oh, c’mon! It’s NOT the Alamo!

    3. At least the roof will never leak.

      1. No basement flooding either.

    4. Do the mushroom hors d’oeuvre served at the open house give you giganto powers?

  16. South Carolina is now mulling a bill to block transgender people from using public restrooms that are the opposite of their birth sex.

    Well, I guess we’re at the point where we just have to get rid of public bathrooms. Everyone can just hold it until they get home.

    1. Solution: chamber pot.*

      *Also the title of my unreleased memoirs.

      1. Solution: Drink a 40 oz, then use the bottle, then leave it on the sidewalk.

        1. Reminds me. At CLE stadium a few years ago. Order a large coke in plastic bottle. Get it sans cap.

          Me: “Why no cap?”

          Vendor: “Guys pee in them and throw them on the field!”

    2. Note to self: Invest in Depends.

    3. Stilsuits. Whoever gets the first to market will make a killing. Er…metaphorical, not the fanatical Fremen kind.

    4. Two words: Stadium Pal.

    5. Is that really what it says? Because the last two times Reason said that it was a lie. It was a bill that blocked laws requiring businesses to cater to them if they didn’t want to.

  17. France has made it a crime to pay for sex. Those charged face thousands in fines and would be required to attend classes “on the harms of the sex trade.”

    D?put?s hardest hit.

    1. Someone’s always playing corporation games, who cares they’re always changing corporation names.

  18. ISIS may have kidnapped dozens of workers at a cement factory in Syria.

    Gonna need some concrete proof before I believe this one.

    1. [narrows gaze at LD]

    2. Careful, or Swiss is going to throw a brick through your window for that one.

      1. No, Switzy and I are cool.


  19. Cuckoldry is incredibly rare among humans

    Reading the internet, or even perusing the scientific literature, you’d get the idea that people are constantly cheating on their spouses. Indeed, scientists have estimated that anywhere from 10-30 percent of men are unknowingly raising children who are not their own. This situation is referred to as cuckoldry, or scientifically as “extra-pair paternity.” Now, however, it appears that our estimates of cuckoldry rates were way off.

    A new survey published in Trends in Ecology and Evolution sums up a number of recent studies that show the actual rate of cuckolds in the general population, based on genetic testing and ancestor research, is 1-2 percent. This challenges evolutionary psychologists who have suggested that human women “routinely ‘shop around’ for good genes by engaging in extra-pair copulation to obtain genetic benefits.” This idea came in part from studying socially monogamous songbirds, which mate for life but have roughly 1 in 10 babies as a result of “extra pair” matings.

    Trump campaign hardest hit.

    1. Indeed, scientists have estimated that anywhere from 10-30 percent of men are unknowingly raising children who are not their own.

      A new survey published in Trends in Ecology and Evolution sums up a number of recent studies that show the actual rate of cuckolds in the general population, based on genetic testing and ancestor research, is 1-2 percent.

      What the hell was the original estimate based on if not genetic testing and ancestor research? A survey of Penthouse Letters?

      1. One of the ten men who cared enough to study it was definitely raising someone ele’s child and two others suspected they might be.

        1. My fetish must be common and normal.

          1. If you only have ten friends, three of which are gay and two of which are transsexual you’re Lou Reed, but you probably have a different idea of normal.

            1. You are only Lou Reed if all ten of them have a heroin problem.

              1. I wouldn’t call it a problem…

        2. Many men only hope they are really raising another man’s child so they can get out of the child support.

          1. That rarely helps. The law is an ass; if you’re the husband, you’re the father, biology be damned.

            1. if you’re the husband, you’re the father, biology be damned

              Husband? What a strict legal requirement your state has!

              In many, it’s “you’re the father if the mother named on you the birth certificate”.

      2. Apparently they studied birds and applied the results to humans, somehow.

        1. Easy mistake. The literature was full of phrases like: “Subject A copulated with Cock X and Cock Y during the same period”.

          John Q. Public can be forgiven for not instantly realizing they were talking about birds.

      3. They looked at a housing project in Britain and the results were about 20%. I think that says more about the types of people that end up in housing projects than it does about anything else.

    2. I eagerly await Dongtorso and his official Roosh rebuttal.

      ALWAYS ALPHA, BEEOTCHES BE LOVIN IT

      1. Isn’t whoring out your wife to other men pretty alpha? Its immoral and disgusting but I am pretty sure its “alpha”.

        1. I think (and I emphasize ‘think’) that Roosh believes women are always screwing around on you unless you are the biggest alpha asshole on the block.

          1. Yeah, being an insufferable asshole would never cause a woman to cheat with the first guy who came along who wasn’t. I wish them luck with that approach.

            1. Unfortunately they can never find a woman to test their theories on. Probably the women’s fault because they’re all sluts

    3. “This challenges evolutionary psychologists who have suggested that human women “routinely ‘shop around’ for good genes by engaging in extra-pair copulation to obtain genetic benefits.””

      That kind of mistake probably didn’t happen at random; someone *wanted* it to be true.

      1. How else would you prove that hypothesis other than by DNA and ancestor research? Evolutionary psychology is such bullshit. They just make up a story that sounds good and call it a day.

        1. “Evolutionary psychology is such bullshit. They just make up a story that sounds good and call it a day.”

          In this case I think it is based on observations of chimps or orangutangs in the wild and may have been true for very early humans.

    4. Per Trumpalos, the entirety of the non-Trump supporting population are cucks, so…

    5. Johnny hardest hit.

    6. This challenges evolutionary psychologists who have suggested that human women “routinely ‘shop around’ for good genes by engaging in extra-pair copulation to obtain genetic benefits.

      Will the new data induce them to check their premises?

      There’s no job security in questioning the whole enterprise!

    1. I personally only buy artisanal fair-trade AK47s.

  20. Eco-friendly Portland baffled to discover an artisanal industry is polluting its air

    Recent revelations that heavy metals ? specifically arsenic, cadmium and chromium ? are hovering above the city in toxic hotspots have stunned the eco-conscious city. Along with the news came an unlikely culprit: artisan glass manufacturers.

    1. Well, you know the expression: “Mad as a Portland artisan glass manufacturer”.

    2. Oh, that’s delicious.

    3. I blame profits.

      1. First the Koch brothers wreck the Flint water supply and now this.

    4. “glass manufacturers?” They can’t just say pipe makers?

    5. This is a surprise? Making shit really hot is a good way to release gross shit.

  21. I got nothing here: bonus points to anyone who can rationalize a Putin/Hunter S.Thompson nexus

    1. I think it means Putin shall be called “Prince Jellyfish” from this point forward.

    2. Iconoclast for the world?

    3. Fwiw, appears to say: “What Panama”

      1. Its a reference to the panama papers, and that “Panama” is russian slang for any hat with a 360 brim (the specific ‘panama hat‘ is normally more narrowly defined, whereas for them it includes any old bucket hat)

        the caption to the photo said it was part of lack of russian concern with officals “hiding money”. Tho i’m still confused as to “why the HST reference”

    4. Fear and Loathing – it’s the Russian way!

    1. Something something missing-slightly-brown-girl-syndrome.

    2. Dammit, she was hot, too.

    1. The word “fleek” was popularized by rapper Nicki Minaj in a track she produced with Beyonce, in which she talked about herself being at the top of her game with the lyric: “Kitty on fleek, pretty on fleek.” The phrase “on fleek” is generally used over “is fleek,” hence some of the scorn for Clinton.

      I was glad to learn the term’s origins.

      1. Except that its wrong and it charts itself back to whatever it is this is

  22. Ghouliani endorses Trump.

    Who could have seen that coming?

    1. But who does Ghoulardi endorse?

      1. Little John Rinaldi?

        1. Big Chuck Sadowski!

  23. ‘I’m f***ed. I can’t go to jail’: Four high-ranking NYPD officers disciplined amid FBI corruption probe for taking exotic vacations, diamonds and cash from one of NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio’s major donors

    Around 20 other top NYPD officers were roused from their sleep in the early morning hours by FBI agents investigating what could become one of the largest corruption scandals to hit the department in years. Some are considered witnesses, others could face disciplinary action or even court charges.

    The probe centers on allegations that Reichberg and real estate investor Jona Rechnitz, two Orthodox Jewish businessmen, who are both major donors to de Blasio, gave cash, diamonds and overseas trips to cops in return for favors ? including providing security for large Jewish funerals.

    1. Investigators discovered that on multiple occasions Grant (above) personally escorted Jeremy Reichberg, a prominent figure in Borough Park , from the airport after overseas trips to pick up diamonds. Grant was the boss of the NYPD’s Upper East Side’s 19th Precinct (above) located on East 67th Street

      And I only re-watched ‘The Usual Suspects’ like a week or 2 ago

      1. The same. I am not surprised by their lack of originality.

    2. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

      Idiot.

    3. Reichberg is the most Jewish-looking Jewish guy I’ve ever seen.

  24. Missing Hikers Found Busking After Huge N.C. Rescue Operation

    “Throughout a three-day search at least 200 persons were participating between law enforcement, emergency services, rescue, and many, many volunteers,” Henderson County Sheriff’s Office Major Frank Stout told NBC News.

    They were located on Tuesday afternoon around 30 miles from the forest in downtown Asheville. Following a tip, deputies found Rackley and Logan playing guitar on a street corner.

    1. Busking? Is that what the kids are calling it now?

      1. We were just in Ashville in the fall. Yeah, that’s what they call it and it’s everywhere there. We left on a Friday. By Thursday place was filling up with panhandlers. I’m guessing it’s a main source of invome for a lot of younger locals. The Pisgah where they were hiking is beautiful. Lots of waterfalls. Great place to visit

        1. Western North Carolina is beautiful. And Ashville a nice town. Sorry to hear the dirty hippies have taken it over.

          1. We had fun. Spent mist of out time hiking in the Pisgah and driving the Blue Ridge Parkway. Craft beer scene in town was nice. Some good grub as well. I’d go back for sure.

          2. I love Asheville. It’s a larger, less snobby Charlottesville.

            1. Oh, and speaking of busking. Someone was on the Cville downtown mall busking with a kazoo one time in Charlottesville. Dreadful. Asheville seemed to have much more talented musicians.

        2. It is like you two have never heard of Old Crow Medicine Show.

      2. its an old term.

    2. These masturbation euphemisms are getting a little weird.

    3. She’s semi-cute. What’s she doing with a fat guy who glued a bunch of pubes to his face?

  25. I see the pro-police ‘she deserved it’ assholes in the threads are in fine form today.

    I have to question the mindset of a person who condones such actions.

    1. If I toady up to this violent person, they are less likely to hurt me. (Which isn’t true, but is an easily taken logical fallacy.)

    2. I see a LEO-Pakistani alliance coming soon.

    3. “I have to question the mindset of a person who condones such actions.”

      People are dicks dude.

    4. Look, it’s already been covered: 12 year olds are jerks.

    5. I was being facetious.

  26. Fidel Castro to Obama: We don’t need your ‘presents’

    This whole, “Diplomatic Legacy” Obama was working on really hasn’t even lasted as long as a single news cycle. Half the country was just finding out what the “Iran Deal” *was*, when they learned that Iran was testing new-nuclear-capable missiles and that we were imposing new sanctions.

    1. Ending the embargo is going to make Cuba free Gilmore. Didn’t you know that?

      1. I didn’t know Gilmore was in Cuban custody.

        1. The Castros are real bastards, especially when you welch on a gambling debt.

          1. Is that where PB disappeared to then?

            1. He went off to be with the real libertarians.

        2. There were some strong disagreements on the subject of Cuban heels.

    2. It’s funny. I talk to so many leftists who like to blame Cuba’s failures on America. They rarely talk about how the Castro’s can’t even cool down their rhetoric, let alone actions, to help the Cuban people. It’s enough to make you think they are just sympathetic to communist states…

      1. Just ignore the fact that Canada and Europe trade with them and they have received tens of billions of dollars in aid over the years from the old USSR and then Venezuela. It is poor because of the embargo.

        1. and none of them notice the disconnect in believing that a capitalism nation would need the financial help of a capitalist country in order to get above water.

          1. Edit button?

      2. How could Castro’s problems be blamed on the US? Seriously, the guy has basically implemented every single program that Bernie Sanders calls for. The US embargo has certainly been an advantage to Cuba since domestic, state-owned industry do not have to compete with cheap US imports.

    3. Cuba is going to be an interesting place when Castros croak. Because I don’t think it’s “external enemy” excuse that keeps these regimes (Cuba, NK) in power after USSR died. It’s that the same people are still running the show (Cuba) or that they are a monarchy (NK and arguably Syria after Assad Snr won the Rotating Coup Game that was their national pastime for 25 years, till 2011).

      Albania was in the similar position as NK (hated all the neighbours, closed economy, no real ally because they broke with USSR after Stalin died, and with China after Deng got into power) and they still trundled on until a few years after their Glorious Leader died, without leaving an heir.

    1. Freedom is slavery.

    2. *crickets*

    3. And that’s just the “hard” debt. It doesn’t include the $50,000,000,000,000 or so of underfunded entitlements (and that number assumes a decent number of retirees doing the sporting thing and pitching over sideways fairly early.

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – the national debt/deficits/entitlement policies are by far the biggest issue we have in terms of freedom. It’s too late to redefine entitlements in time to stave off the HUGE reconciliation between those who THINK they have assets and those who THINK they have entitlements. The vast majority have been conned that there are two pies out there and there’s only one. Your share of it is so much smaller than you think. I don’t tend to think very many are going to take the news too well. A LOT of people are going to look for people that will make Sanders and Trump look like reasonable, “with it” cool cats. There’s not going to be the “hey, what’s that over there” and they take 50% of your stuff when your head is turned, without reprisal. But, I guess, spending too much time on those numbers with a lot of zeroes and commas is dull, and therefore unimportant. It’s all worked out in the past, so it will in the future.

      1. There’s not going to be the “hey, what’s that over there” and they take 50% of your stuff when your head is turned, without reprisal.

        They’ll just blatantly take your stuff to cover the entitlements promised to the higher castes.

      2. $50,000,000,000,000 or so of underfunded entitlements

        The estimates I’ve seen have the number 3-5x that ($150-250T)

  27. Venezuelans get Fridays off for two months in emergency plan ‘to save energy’

    Venezuelan workers will get Fridays off in the months of April and May, in a bid to save energy in the black-out hit country, the president said.

    President Nicolas Maduro said Venezuelans will have “long weekends” in an appearance on state television on Wednesday night, announcing the measure as part of a 60-day plan to fight a power crunch.

    “This plan for 60 days, for two months, will allow the country to get through the most difficult period with the most risk. I call on families, on the youth, to join this plan with discipline, with conscience and extreme collaboration to confront this extreme situation,” Maduro said.
    Read more
    Venezuela is going to shut down for a whole week

    The government’s plan will be effective from this Friday and last until June 6, according to Agence France Presse.

    Some Venezuelans took it to social media to express their surprise.

    1. They can only eat on Tuesday and Thursdays

    2. A country sitting on masses of oil can’t even provide energy. I blame the Americans and their sanctions.

    3. Thanks be to President Maduro (didn’t he get voted out of office?) and long live Hugo Chavez for this vacation! VIVA VENEZUELA!

    4. l remember one night the kid cut off his right arm in a fit to save a bit of power.

    5. Shouldn’t they be working overtime to make more toilet paper?

    6. Clearly the way to solve scarcity is to produce less.

    7. I heard they’re increasing the work ration to 30 hours a week!

  28. “A Texas police officer is on administrative leave after a video showed him body-slamming a sixth-grade girl, 12 years old, to the ground.”

    I eagerly await various conservatives coming out and explaining why the bitch was, just like last time this happened

    1. *bitch was asking for it.

      My kingdom for an edit button.

      1. She’s from the Slapahoe tribe, it’s part of her culture? /PUA troll

    2. Jazz Shaw will satisfy your desires shortly. I guarantee it.

    3. Look at the comment sections to the mainstream news sites reporting on this. They’re all over the place.

  29. Flag-stomping protesters sparking outrage on campaign trail

    Requisite trigger warning : auto-play and Greta van Susterwhatever

    1. The anti-trump people seem to be going full Westboro-Baptist in their desperation to get their assess kicked on video.

    2. Ugh, flag stompers are so Bush presidency.

  30. Gay Talese commits thought crime.

    “During a question-and-answer session at the “Power of Narrative Writing” conference, an audience member asked Talese which female journalists inspired his writing. Talese mentioned authors Nora Ephron and Mary McCarthy, then, after a silence, replied, “None.”

    Talese then explained that the problem with female journalists was they were limited by their desire to stay above the fray, according to an audience member who spoke to the Washington Post. Amy Littlefield, 29, said that Talese explained “how educated women don’t want to hang out with antisocial people.””

    And of course this led to Millennial journalists condescendingly lecturing an 84 year old veteran journalist on female writers he should read.

    “Friedan wrote The Feminine Mystique out of frustration with magazines refusing to publish her articles in the 1950s, and also critiqued the lack of female journalists on TV during that era. If older male journalists think there weren’t enough women writing nonfiction back then, they should think about why that was the case, beginning with reading Friedan’s works.”

    Yeah, I’m sure Gay Talese has no idea who Betty Friedan is, you fucking idiot.

    1. Even today, it should be completely unobjectionable for a young (or old) journalist not to be inspired by any female journalists. What if all your favorite writers happen to be male?

  31. 20,000 lesbians in the desert

    Nice album name for 10,000 Maniacs.

    1. Someone should rent a resort near by and have a similar festival the same week for gay men. Talk about some great reality TV. Just roll the cameras and watch.

      1. “Camps on opposite sides of the lake”

  32. I’ve only glanced the op-ed over, and while the headline is crazy stupid, and there are a few pretty-retarded details, still maybe worth a look… as an example of how someone can be in the state department for 25 years, and still see things in very cartoonish ways =

    World War Three may have already begun in Iraq and Syria

    i think its is sort of informative as a counterpoint to the very-insightful “Romancing the Sunni” piece

    The thing about the former is that it mostly ‘poorly defines the problems’, and doesn’t even attempt at any sensible answer to its own closing questions. The latter actually does both reasonably well.

  33. Today’s fun with my prog friends (all my friends are progs): Since I think that businesses should be able to decide who they do business with, it means I’m totally okay with discrimination and segregation, and I only care about myself.

    1. You should charge your prog friends for your opinion. If they’re too selfish to pay, then they’re okay with segregation, too.

    1. I didn’t think any airport actually had that right.

      1. They can go private, meaning their employers won’t be government employees, but they have to follow all of the asinine TSA rules, so there’s really no difference. San Francisco airport has private TSA.

        1. so… does that mean its like sending your kids to private school? they’re “paying extra” just to have the opportunity to choose?

          1. Pretty much.

          2. So, it’s more like private prison, but the sentence is 20-90 minutes.

      2. If the TSA fucks up, nothing else really happens. The airport doesn’t take the blame. If private security fucks up, there will be wailing and pearl clutching on how private security can’t be trusted.

  34. South Carolina is now mulling a bill to block transgender people from using public restrooms that are the opposite of their birth sex.

    John gets his pony.

    1. I don’t think they’ll let you in the bathroom with a pony like, anywhere.

      1. the Bronies will want to be the next aggrieved class.

        1. My Little Pony teaches them to turn the other cheek.

          1. It’s second-generation Bronies that you need to watch out for.

  35. So, Bill got into it with BLM.

    So this will be a fun weekend…

    1. Uh oh, sounds like some empty shacks are about to get occupied on federal land.

  36. Daily Caller is thankfully not insane on the subject of 12 year olds getting whooped by cops, but here are some choice comments.

    “ShirleyUJest Wil ? 6 hours ago
    She was involved in an altercation, refused adult commands, could easily have been armed and no cop is required to waste time or endanger themselves with a violent teenager. If she turned around and submitted to arrest it wouldn’t have happened.”

    “Samfu Wil ? 6 hours ago
    He’s not “a grown man,” he’s the police.

    The law.

    And Maybe he shouldn’t have slammed her, but maybe she did some terrible things leading up to this slice of life video above.

    What I’m railing against is your mindless, moronic, shallow knee-jerk response to something because you’re mentally a child and haven’t grown up yet (i.e., “liberal”).”

    “Samfu maudieNmandeville ? 6 hours ago
    Oh there’s a foul here, definitely.

    No matter if the policeman’s actions were warranted or not, this girl is gonna be collecting some big bucks made possible from all the hard working saps who pay taxes in whatever sheety little city she’s living in.

    Just like the scum in the Baltimore Riots, ad infinitum…

    ‘Cause WHITE GUILT knows no bounds….

    (just think 8 years of Obama)”

    1. “FWGuy ? 4 hours ago
      I could never be a Police Office in today’s society, you can never win and often do wrong in someones eyes. Not saying this is right or wrong, just saying I could never-ever do that job, so I am tankful for the good Police Officers out there and we must admit there will always be a bad few, just like any other occupation that involves Human Beings.”

      “ShirleyUJest ? 7 hours ago
      The mom should be far more alarmed that she raised a little future convict ready to physically assault others at 12. Wanna bet she’s pregnant by 15, never finishes high school, pops another kid at 17, ends up in prison for gang banging and dealing drugs and her clueless mom raises the two kids to be criminals at 12. A perfect circle.”

      1. Blaming the parents in internet comments is so blas

        1. You sound like you have white guilt, faggot liberal. /Daily Caller commenter

          1. Why do you read the comments there when you could read comments at Taki Mag and get such a richer diversity of crazy shit?

            1. To Irish, Taki Mag comments are too erotic to frequently read.

              1. That sentence was a nightmare.

              2. I read Taki Mag comments to get hard before sleeping with my white Aryan girlfriend who agrees with me that miscegnation is a tool of the devil.

                1. I read Taki Mag comments to get hard before sleeping with my white Aryan girlfriend who agrees with me that miscegnation is a tool of the devil.

                  I know. Also, pics?

            2. example =

              Jim Goad writes piece about Emory U. special-snowflakes and their Trump-Trauma

              Naturally, it takes the comments about 4 seconds to start discussing the coming “Race Warfare” in Europe

    2. He’s not “a grown man,” he’s the police.

      The law.

      When you are making Judge Dredd look more reasonable than you are, it’s time to stop and have a serious, long reconsideration.

    3. She … could easily have been armed

      Hey, fear of guns doesn’t stop with the left! This justifies everything.

      I mean, a lot of things could have been, so just shut up, everyone! Cop dun gud!

  37. Pennsylvania bans bias against transgender people

    One order bans the state from discriminating against any employee or job applicant based on a host of criteria including “gender expression or identity.” It also bans discrimination based on race, color, religious creed, ancestry, union membership, age, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, AIDS or HIV status, or disability.

    The second seeks to eliminate discrimination in contracting, requiring any company doing business with the state to eliminate bias in hiring and promotion.

    Bravo, Pennsylvania, bravo!

    1. Don’t go to Hooters in Pennsylvania, which has since rebranded in that state to become Tacos and/or Dongs LLC in order to comply truth in advertising regulations.

    2. I HEREBY BAN ALL RACISM

      There, see how easy it is!?

    3. So are you going to start job hunting in PA now that you can be completely open on your resume about your…whatever?

  38. Longtime lurker, first time commenter.

    What’s the first thing that happens to me when I start commenting? Epi calling me out as being ‘Tulpa.’ Hilarious. Real top-notch loony corner you guys have on here (not counting the leftist trolls). Except zoos are entertaining; he and his lil’ gang aren’t entertaining in the least. :\

    I’ve noticed he won’t let Illocust alone even though she even posted video of her at one point. Now he’s calling her a rapist. Classy!

    1. *of herself

      1. *of herself

        Of a rando.

        The spectacle of watching Tulpa once again having two of his socks in a “conversation” is… what’s the opposite of ‘delicious?’ It’s times like these that his slipups happen and he accidently uses the wrong handle.

        1. Carreras, I remember you now!

          1. Fuck off, Tulpa.

            1. And apologize to Samantha Rogers.

    2. Many commenters got paranoid when some annoying guy kept posting under different handles and pretended to be different people.

      It’s getting like the movie the Thing, where everyone gets suspected of being the monster.

      Don’t take it personally.

      1. Tie them all up, let STEVE SMITH sort them out?

        1. Steve Smith does not want to spend the entire winter tied to the couch, either.

      2. I’m not taking it personally. It’s just rather irritating to see a good commenter’s (namely, Illocust’s) every remark sidelined with that cheap branding maneuver. And further to see a parade of sarcastic ad-hominem insults coming from that whole troupe, because they’re too lazy and dimwitted?and, above all, unduly smug?to actually address the points made by their interlocutors.

        But ok, I’ll just avoid every thread that Nikki self-righteously sticks her nose in, and filter Epi and SF and those one or two others whose names I’ve forgotten (“Pavarotti, Domingo…..the other one”).

        1. . It’s just rather irritating to see a good commenter’s (namely, Illocust’s) every remark sidelined with that cheap branding maneuver

          I find that the threads with “shut up, Tulpa” in them are actually better than most. “shut up, Tulpa” has become the “check your privilege, cis shitlord!” of H&R.

          1. “shut up, Tulpa” has become the “check your privilege, cis shitlord!” of H&R.

            I loled

      3. Hey, if you don’t mind me asking, what exactly did Tulpa do? If I was around back then I was mostly a lurker, and I really only know about him from the random accusations that get thrown around.

        1. Fuck off Tulpa. Your self-obsession is tiresome in the extreme.

        2. Yes, yes. Please remind us how Tulpa is a completely sane person who’s simply misunderstood. Use either handle.

        3. All I remember is he was a cop fellater, and then later supposedly creating a new concern-troll account called Bo. (But since we’re both Tulpa, who knows if Bo was even Tulpa.)

          Now they (primarily the Nikki/Epi/SF/Warty/OMWC cohort) are all paranoid about new users and anyone who argues with them, or even so much as posts anything even innocuous.

          Props to Tulpa for outing these poltroons as even madder than he was.

          1. Fuck off, Tulpa.

          2. Yes! Tulpa is the hero here! Keep it coming!

            1. Yeah! That’s what I said! You can reeeeead!

          3. Warty and SF don’t really jump on the bandwagon from what I’ve seen. I think Warty made some jokes in the original thread, but I wouldn’t count them as part of the group.

            1. They do when they need to insult Nikki’s interlocutors. (It’s always well into an argument that they’ll toss off some brief ad-hom insult, then another, then another; never addressing the argument’s subjects themselves.)

              1. It’s so cute how you support yourself. You’ve done that so often in the past that it’s become an infallible marker. C’mon, time for the handle-slip!

              2. This is about as silly as seeing Tulpa in every newcomer. Free Society also claims that there is a cabal out to get people. Honestly. It can’t possibly be that we’re quite free with our opinions and thoughts here, and the things we say get a reaction from those who feel differently.

                We’ve all been at the bottom of the dogpile at some point. “It was all a plot against me!” No, just a bunch of people independently arriving at the decision that they disagreed with you at that moment in time.

                You yourself are not exactly coming off as an unbiased observer.

                1. Okay Hamster, I’m not sure who you are talking too in this post.

                  If it’s me, yes, I think Nikki hates me and has done so since a particular thread a while back. It is based upon our differing opinions, but she’s gotten very personal overtime and does seem to be using this whole Tulpa thing as an excuse for Ad Homenims.

                  I don’t know what the fuck is going on with OMWC. Sometimes I think he’s just a troll and sometimes I think he’s deadly serious. I don’t know. I do know I fucked up by responding to him earlier, though. I’ve fed it either way.

                  Epi, I can be persuaded on pretty much any opinion. He’s whole heartedly jumped on this whole Tulpa thing with little to no encouragement. He does seem to be acting as Nikki’s back up, but that could just be the most recent threads have been on a topic he happens to agree with her on. I’m not very good at keeping track of what commentors believe.

                  That’s really the only people who have been doing the whole Tulpa thing as anything but a joke, and of them, the only one that’s actually getting to be a problem is OMWC.

                  1. Okay Hamster, I’m not sure who you are talking to in this post.

                    The, uh, new guy. Whoever.

                    Just a placeholder. I’m on my way out the door to baseball practice(s). Will read later, but to clarify, talking to the new dude.

                    1. Ah okay, carry on then, have fun at practice!

                  2. If it’s me, yes, I think Nikki hates me and has done so since a particular thread a while back.

                    I assume it’s a long list of people she hates. You probably did something like have children or somehow convey support for the existence of children. Maybe she found out that you don’t shovel your sidewalk.

                    I don’t know what the fuck is going on with OMWC.

                    He’s some kind perpetual caricature of a child rapist who really likes to tell that joke basically anytime and always. He’s probably on a different list somewhere.

                    Epi, I can be persuaded on pretty much any opinion. He’s whole heartedly jumped on this whole Tulpa thing with little to no encouragement.

                    Which says a lot.

                2. No one is claiming that there was a grand “plot.” Free Society gets grief from those exact people, and only those people, not on the substance of his claims, but directed at him personally. I don’t think it was planned, just that reason commenters tend (as people) toward tribalism and cliqueishness, even within a certain fringe community. Ad hominem, left-field, attacks toward FS or John or whoever, while they’re in the middle of a debate, are deplorable.

                  1. No one is claiming that there was a grand “plot.”

                    Now they (primarily the Nikki/Epi/SF/Warty/OMWC cohort) are all paranoid about new users and anyone who argues with them, or even so much as posts anything even innocuous.

                    Yeah, that cabal tends to be the “shout down the heretics” crowd.

                    Shit, dude, I could keep going.

                    Tell you what. You drop the, “why, no one never did say nor imply any such thing” and I will not be equally mulish about having openly tussled with Illocust, John, FS et al. as well. People disagree. Free speech can be noisy.

                    I don’t think it was planned, just that reason commenters tend (as people) toward tribalism and cliqueishness, even within a certain fringe community.

                    Why yes, I think I mentioned that myself on one or two occasions. Let’s hope it works better when you try it.

                    Really. It’s fucking tiresome.

                    Ad hominem, left-field, attacks toward FS or John or whoever, while they’re in the middle of a debate, are deplorable.

                    Truth. I must point out that we’re taking about John, who is surely possessing of all the good qualities you noticed and more, and yet habitually volleys with “you retard”.

                    1/2

                    1. It would be a fine idea to pay a bit more attention in the future, to what’s being communicated and how. And I can happily shortcut the finger-pointing of who is to blame and who needs to pay more attention – fucking everyone. You, me, Welch, John, Illocust, everyone.

                      Not Crusty, he’s precious.

                      The rest of us incorrigible fucks ought to try harder, though. We’re the libertarians. If we can’t figure out how to straighten out our little messes like adults, we can hardly expect better from the rest of the madding crowd.

                    2. Fine ?you’re right. *Reasonable.* I’ll shut up and take a shot.

                3. Free Society also claims that there is a cabal out to get people.

                  Care to provide a direct quote on that? When did I claim there is a “cabal”? I don’t recall ever even accusing anyone of being Tulpa, which is apparently a very popular pastime in these parts.

            2. Warty and SF don’t really jump on the bandwagon from what I’ve seen. I think Warty made some jokes in the original thread, but I wouldn’t count them as part of the group.

              I usually get commentary from them when they’re filling in as Nikki’s white knights. I don’t know of any bandwagon per se, just that certain types of posters like to school together when they sense the potential for some ad hominem trolling.

          4. All I remember is he was a cop fellater, and then later supposedly creating a new concern-troll account called Bo. (But since we’re both Tulpa, who knows if Bo was even Tulpa.)

            Bo =/= Tulpa. Bo started out somewhat “sane,” but went off the deep end after people stopped paying attention to him. Tulpa was a troll from day one, and had a thousand alt accounts. Every once in a while, he still pops up to troll.

            Now they (primarily the Nikki/Epi/SF/Warty/OMWC cohort) are all paranoid about new users and anyone who argues with them, or even so much as posts anything even innocuous.

            Yeah, that cabal tends to be the “shout down the heretics” crowd.

          5. primarily the Nikki/Epi/SF/Warty/OMWC cohort

            The pedophile-SJW wing of the HnR commentariat.

      4. There is some sort of contagious Fregoli Delusion running rampant on this site.

        I actually am starting to feel left out that I’ve never been accused of being someone else.

        1. Will it make you feel better if I call you Mary?

        2. Shut up, Sugarfree!!

      1. *raises glass*

    3. AWNT, I pissed off Nikki a while back in an abortion thread where I didn’t let her get away with a inconsistency she was really attached to. That’s why this Tulpa accusation is lasting so long. I’m fairly certain Nikki knows it’s false, she’s just taking the opportunity to pile on the Ad Hominem. Epi as you pointed out (something I hadn’t noticed beforehand) is fairly defensive of her view points, so that’s why he won’t let it go.

      It’s a personal pissing match, not a statement on the normal culture of this board. Thanks for the defense though. It does give me warm fuzzies.

      1. Isn’t that nice that you used one sock to defend the other? I remember you doing this on other occasions, and I encourage it, because you always eventually fuck up and accidently forget to switch handles. I feel sorry for poor Samantha Rogers, whom you dragged into this in a pathetic attempt to try to seem real.

        1. OMWC, it’s fine that you know who I am. I posted that video so I can be searched by someone determined enough. Don’t spread my name around unnecessarily, though. Have some common internet decency.

          1. Tulpa, apologize to that poor girl whose identity you appropriated.

            Oh wait, that would take some decency. Never mind.

            1. OMWC, not everyone finds your pedophile shtick amusing. Nothing will stop me from referring to you exclusively as pedophile scum, if you annoy me in the future.

          2. OMWC, it’s fine that you know who I am. I posted that video so I can be searched by someone determined enough. Don’t spread my name around unnecessarily, though. Have some common internet decency.

            You’re feeding them. Don’t bend over bakcwards or even so much as lift a finger to disprove their little theory. It’s what they want. They know you’re not Tulpa nd they know you’re not bigfoot. If they like to persist in calling you that it’s because they want a reaction. This is textbook trolling, and think it;s pretty clear they’re the most prominent trolls on this board.

            1. I’m okay with getting called Tulpa. I just want my name left out of it.

              1. I haven’t thoroughly read this thread… but you gave them your name?

                1. Got on a CNN interviewing people on the street a while back. I linked to it in the comments. My name was on there.

                  1. I see. So you’re like the closest thing to celebrity we have these boards, except of course when Robby and ENB descend from the heavens to walk among the commentariat.

        2. Do you have a special proclivity toward conspiracy or is the average person this deranged?

          It’s quite remarkable.

          1. I am dying here. Please keep it up!

            1. I am dying here.

              Oh, would that it were so

              1. Seriously, I hope Samantha Rogers sees her name come up on google, traces this out, gets your IP address from Alissi, and sues you into oblivion.

                1. Why don’t you let her know, if you’re so convinced that you’re seeing this situation with clarity?

                  1. Because my name is too common to be searched effectively. I’ve dropped enough info over time to be found, but probably not enough to get my phone number.

              2. Oh, T, it’s just like the good ol’ days. Never change, pal.

                1. He never will. Once he drops this sock, he’ll quickly assume another one.

                  1. Why do people think Illocust is Tulpa? I assume it is not because of a fight with Nikki, as most of us have done that at some point.

                    1. I made a couple posts that apparently sounded off a while back on a night thread. OMWC thinks this fits a pattern of Tulpa getting bored with his socks and changing tone and voice. That’s where it started.

                    2. Why do people think Illocust is Tulpa? I assume it is not because of a fight with Nikki, as most of us have done that at some point.

                      Well, to keep things in perspective, we’re talking about at most less than half a dozen people who have simply created a feedback loop of reinforcing each other’s voices whenever this comes up. The idea of it is now more convincing to them then anything Illocust could have said or did. What I assumed at first was a playful if overwrought joke has now gotten pretty damn weird, frankly. And it’s a shame, because Illocust has always struck me as just…nice, and normal (for these parts, anyway). I’m confused why anyone thinks it’s necessary to incessantly grief an evidently reasonable poster.

                    3. Ahh, that’s sweet of you. Also, I wouldn’t even go up to a half a dozen posters. It’s just that Epi and OMWC have been responding to nearly every single post I make with accusations of being Tulpa. It makes it seem like a lot more common accusation than it is.

                    4. Whoops, misread your first sentence. No need for correction or nitpicking after all.

                    5. What does it matter if some handle is Tulpa or resurrected Hitler or a talking hippo? If the arguments are sensible, and you address the arguments, who cares? If the arguments are not worth your effort why waste your time?

                      I am often underwhelmed by the maturity of this group, although I am impressed by the intelligence and breadth of experience of same.

                    6. I am often underwhelmed by the maturity of this group, although I am impressed by the intelligence and breadth of experience of same.

                      This.

                    7. It would be a pretty boring place if everyone were calm hands-off scholars following strict sober decorum (if that even exists in reality), or even if they tried to feign being that way. I like the so-called immaturity. I mean, John (e.g.) is a smart, experienced guy, but he’s clearly prone to petulance, and I kind of like that: he’s probably twice my age and still deeply flawed. You guys are far smarter and more interesting than the average forum bloc, I learn a lot from you, but it’s good to know you’re human beings, and not just some yea-saying echo chamber.

                      There’s just a point where the ad-homs and cold sarcasm (Nikki’s expertise?in a way I admire it, though it’s hard not to respond in kind), and whatever this Tulpa-labeling is, become too prevalent, potentially having a chilling effect (I guess it hasn’t fazed Illocust too much, which is good).

                    8. There’s just a point where the ad-homs and cold sarcasm (Nikki’s expertise?in a way I admire it, though it’s hard not to respond in kind), and whatever this Tulpa-labeling is, become too prevalent, potentially having a chilling effect (I guess it hasn’t fazed Illocust too much, which is good).

                      It does chill speech around here a little bit because no one wants to piss away their time and energy debating the aforementioned ad hominem bullies. Though quite often, the urge to not let them get away with their petty bullshit is too hard to resist. Sometimes real arguments need to be laid out and if the only thing the opponents of those arguments can do is resort to a dogpile of personal attacks, then you just have to let them put their intellectual dishonesty on display.

                    9. So you’re half john’s age and also deeply flawed….because you are a millenial that knows nothing about economics….alrighty then. I’m impressed.

                    10. That’s funny, since I haven’t made a single post yet making direct reference to, let alone advocating, any economic ideology or bias.

                      Your derangement about millennials is comical, though, like your derangement re: Tulpa. I’m impressed!

                    11. I find the whole Tulpa obsession very off-putting. I used to frequent and occasionally post on a certain gay-prog site. Perhaps my comments appeared a bit trollish cause I didn’t agree much with the site and its regular commenters, I went there for the pictures. Anyway, there was one frequent commenter there, let’s call him Rick, who posted a lot and strongly opposed the site party line. His posts were pretty distinct, and his disagreement with the gay-prog party line had next to nothing in common with, say, mine. Despite this at some point anyone disagreeing with the gay-prog orthodoxy was immediately accused of being Rick. And that was so pathetic, especially when you knew full well that you were not Rick but the site regulars accused you of being one.

                      Tulpa-obsessed posters, keep this in mind.

                    12. Sounds like the worst gay bar.

                      Or best? I’m imagining Rick as John Malkovich.

                    13. What I assumed at first was a playful if overwrought joke has now gotten pretty damn weird, frankly. And it’s a shame, because Illocust has always struck me as just…nice, and normal (for these parts, anyway). I’m confused why anyone thinks it’s necessary to incessantly grief an evidently reasonable poster.

                      Cosigned.

    4. What have you done?!
      Welcome, by the way.

      1. lol, it’s sobering. So many who assume and affect clearheadedness lose their shit in these situations.

        Thank you!

        1. Honestly, OMWC is getting a lot creepy with the name drops. I don’t remember him being this bad with Bo, but then I don’t think Bo gave away as much of his personal information as I have.

          1. Bo also gave back as much as he took. It wasn’t anything like this (which comes off like a bunch of people kicking a puppy).

            1. Bo also gave back as much as he took. It wasn’t anything like this (which comes off like a bunch of people kicking a puppy).

              This is sort of what prompted my question. This and the fact that I don’t find attempts to shut people up appealing. Point out flaws in Illocust’s arguments, even get harsh about it if you must, but I don’t see that Tulpaness (Tulpitude?) would actually make her posts wrong even if it were true.

  39. Indiana State Trooper sued for second time over his “Policing for Jesus Ministries” where he detains random citizens until they agree to be saved.

    Indiana State Police trooper sued again over proselytizing

    1. “A settlement in [the earlier] case involved Hamilton receiving employee counseling behavior that discouraged proselytizing behavior, according to Pyle’s lawsuit.”

      Oh, for crying out loud, even *I* know cops aren’t supposed to proselytize during traffic stops, and *I’m* a clerico-fascist theocrat!

      Counsel this guy out of his police job and onto some pastor’s security detail. Problem solved.

  40. Hihn is right: ban comments.

    1. Why would you summon him?

    2. Ban marriage. Ban everything.

    3. But if comments are banned, what would you all do during work?

        1. Your work allows youtube? Lucky dog.

          1. Allows isn’t encourage. We all show each other good stuff on the Internet. I don’t know why people think you’re someone else.

            We know you’re not a woman. That’s impossible.

      1. Epi’s mom? If she does on-site visits.

        Really? And all the guys like her, huh? That is, that is, that is great. Uh, you mean “away,” though, right? Because otherwise it sounds a little different, but, uh, that’s, uh, that’s outstanding. You forgot to say “away” again. But listen, let me call you back in a bit, okay? Bye. (To Lindsay.) Nellie has blown them all away.

    4. Mike Hihn hasn’t been around since the night he started campaigning for wide spread bans (including of your’s truly). I hope he is well.

      1. I missed that article. Darn.

        1. You could look it up, it should be easy to find since it was about Trump and there can’t be more than ?

          1. I looked it up but then decided that it should remain buried.

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