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Raised Hands Violate University Safe-Space Policy

And no shaking your damn head, either!

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Photo by Andrew Perry via Imogen Wilson/Facebook

If you think that the sex and speech climate at U.S. universities has gone awry, U.K. college campuses are becoming downright dystopian. Remember last year, when British student leaders declared clapping too triggering and requested that students show approval with jazz hands instead? Now students have moved on to tackling another menacing movement: the raised hand.

Granted, raising one's hand has long been the universal symbol of "I have a question," especially in educational environments. But sometimes hand-raising can denote disagreement with a speakers' position, or even exasperation, and that's where we get into dangerous territory, say University of Edinburgh students. The move could be viewed as disrepsectful—and thus a violation of the school's "safe space" policy.

Last week Imogen Wilson, vice president for academic affairs with the student association, was threatened with removal from her position after she "raised [her] arms in disagreement" during a council debate and shook her head disapprovingly.

The Edinburgh Student's Association safe-space policy says student association members must treat each other with consideration and respect, and this is defined as "refraining from hand gestures which denote disagreement or in any other way indicating disagreement with a point or points being made. Disagreements should only be evident through the normal course of debate."

Wilson will remain in her position, after a student council vote on her removal broke in her favor, 33 to 18.

On Twitter, Wilson wished that people would stop focusing on the safe-space debacle at the Student's Association meeting and more on the association's debate over issues related to Israel and Palestine.

Wilson also complained that her story is being used to mock safe-space policies—which are actually formalized guidelines at many U.K. schools, not simply rooms full of bubbles—in general, instead of seen as a singularly overzealous application of the policy. "I completely understand the importance of our safe space policy, and will defend it to the ground," she told HuffPost UK, "but I did not think that was fair, and had it gone further I would have either left or argued against it." 

But other Edinburgh students say that this isn't some isolated incident, and the safe space policy, as written, is inherently problematic. Following the tense student association meeting, Charlie Peters, a first-year Edinburgh student who had been in attendance, created a petition to overhaul the school's safe space policy. "In a free and liberal society such as ours, it is imperative that people remain able to express their views, regardless of what others may think of them," it states. "This is currently not possible at the University of Edinburgh." 

"The more ideas we challenge and discuss in public, the likelier we are to arrive at a moral and serious truth," Peters continued Peters. "I believe an institution which upholds the principles of free speech and diversity is superior to a Students' Association that patronises its own students by insinuating that they cannot handle opinions that differ from their own. We are adults, we do not need condescension or safeguarding. EUSA does their students a huge disservice by engaging in this malpractice."

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  1. It’s nice of the UK to do everything even more idiotically than the US so we don’t feel quite so bad.

    1. This bull didn’t occur at my educational institution.

      1. One must certainly hope no one raised an arm there, as this type of physical gesture is inherently violent and experienced as frightening by most academics. It starts with a raised arm; an offensive finger follows; then it turns into emails; and before you know it the dignity and reputation of students and distinguished professors alike is being assaulted with inappropriately deadpan “parody.” Only a single liberal judge has sought to defend fake academic fiction or Gmail “parody confessions” damaging to a distinguished reputation, with a foolish “First Amendment dissent” that has brought shame upon the judiciary. See the documentation of America’s leading criminal “satire” case at:

        http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

    2. They’re showing us our future so I wouldn’t get too comfortable.

      1. I am so triggered by fat Brandon Fraser’s raised hand in the Promoted Stories.

        1. Why fast shame the failed Indiana Jones?

    3. Except the US seems to see it as something to aspire to.

      1. Seems like it could be countered with “The desire to emulate Europe and especially Britain in regards to ‘safe spaces’ is effectively Eurocentrism and preference for Anglo models of education. This is institutionalized racism, and the University should be doing more to emulate nations of color, who’s universities do not contain Eurocentric ‘safe spaces’.” Fire with fire.

        1. So, essentially, an AK-47 for every student? This seems pretty aspirational to me.

          1. Wouldn’t that be “cultural appropriation”?

            Oh, what are we going to do?

    4. College students need to be beaten with nightsticks when they act up.

  2. And how the fuck is raising your hand when you disagree and want to say so outside of the “normal course of debate”?

    1. Apparently you’ve never heard of Hitler. Yeah, maybe the angle is a little different, but that’s not what’s important. What’s important is never doing anything… ever… about anything… lest it make someone have a breakdown, which is exactly what raising your hand, or your eyebrows, does. That’s the only way to make sure everyone is always happy. Fascist.

      1. This is actually the argument. You’re not allowed to do.. anything.. that might upset anyone. If you do, you need to prostrate yourself before them.

        1. Fortunately, I am offended by non-offensive statements. I double-dog-dare them to disprove it.

        2. How about if what they are doing upsets you?
          I think we need to institute “Stepford schools”, where everyone walks around, hands by their side, staring, deadpan, not talking. Only the physical sciences and mathematics can be taught because those other studies require the occasional opinion or diverse alternatives in the subject matter, which would make all these automatons’ heads explode.

          1. I believe in beating the shot out of those who are excessively impertinent in my presence.

      2. Apparently you’ve never heard of Hitler. Yeah, maybe the angle is a little different, but that’s not what’s important.

        Ah, the Bellamy salute, favorite of fascists and Christian socialists in the US and Europe.

    2. Well, Zeb, don’t you know that the normal course of debate is for the najis kuffar to submit to the will of the pious? Any disagreement with the best of people leads to fitna, that most heinous of sins.

  3. May I still give the stink eye?

    1. They really wouldn’t know what to do with any of us would they.

      1. Oh, they know perfectly well what they would do with us. They just can’t quite manage to correctly spell “gulag”. Or translate it into English.

        1. Ministry of Love.

      2. Clap us in irons and haul us off to Siberia New Jersey?

        1. Would we have the option of suicide first?

          1. Escape is impossible.

            1. …and resistance is useless.

          2. Computer Voice: Attention. You are now entering the Debarkation Area. No talking. No smoking. Follow the orange line to the Processing Area. The next scheduled departure to the prison is in two hours. You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises. If you elect this option, notify the Duty Sergeant in your Processing Area.

            1. We need Snake Plissken to pilot his glider to the top of the Ivory Tower and start slamming some heads together.

          3. You rang?

        2. I’ll have the chicken.

          1. You’re lucky we’re Church of England

    2. What about the male gaze? Or, if you’re my dog, the mail(man) gaze?

      1. It’s ruff

    3. What about a *narrawed gaxe*? Asking for Swiss Servator.

      1. gaze, not gaxe.

        Tiping iz hard

          1. What’s this about Male Gays, again? Whatever it is, it sounds faaaabulous.

            1. *narrows anus*

            2. You mean,Ike Lindsey Graham fabulous?

      2. Gaxe seemed gender-neutral to me.

        Narrawed seemed problematic.

    4. Would that be similar to narrowing one’s gaze?

  4. Granted, raising one’s hand has long been the universal symbol of “I have a question,” especially in educational environments.

    Questioning has no place in higher education anyway.

  5. Hey in 10 years when they’re all prostrating in submission towards Mecca 5 times a day they won’t be allowed to raise their hands either so good practice for them.

  6. I really want to see how FULL RETARD this shit can get before people come to their senses. I have a feeling it’s going to be FULLER RETARD than anyone suspects.

    1. FULL RETARD 2: FULL RETARDER

      1. The Son of Shut Up And Play Yer Retard Guitar!

    2. I am beginning to wonder if there really even is a limit.

      1. There is. It’s just really unpleasant.

      2. Peak Retard is a myth.

        1. “Peak Retard is a myth.”

          No, I think eventually the Die Off happens.

          1. Also, a point of reference, It’s not Peak Retard, until people are dying in whole sale lots. This is just the foot hills of Retard.

    3. It is already beyond anything Kafka could imagine; it will however lead to some type of logical implosion, after those who advocate this nonsense have inevitably devoured one another. They are already consuming their liberal forebears.

      The interesting point is how this this developed into its current state of near entropy? Is it a “progressive” move toward greater and greater nuance that began with “thou shalt not offend” on the basis of gender [misogynist], race [racist], sexual preference [homo-phobic] etc., and now focusing on minutia? Of course, everyone has to have something to be offended by, which precludes an ideal state where we are all more or less good; so let us search out novel and increasingly subtle ways to be offended; accusing someone you disagree with on basis of racism, sexism, colonialism, has always worked up till now, so by all means find ways to invalidate your opponents so you do not have to actually come up with a counter argument [that you did not have in the first place].

      1. When taken to it’s logical extreme, education itself is triggering because it implies you don’t already know everything.

      2. Is it a “progressive” move toward greater and greater nuance

        But always ? do not forget this, Winston ? always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face ? for ever.’

    4. Seems pretty much full retard right now.

  7. Inappropriate hand gestures?

    *loosely closes fist, moves hand up and down*

    Sometimes masturbation is just masturbation ; no euphemism necessary.

    1. I am certain that would give the little snowflakes the vapors and cause the gesturer to be expelled and possibly arrested for inappropriate sexual conduct.

      1. Why would feminists object to male masturbation?

        1. Typical cis-gendered white shitlord response on your part!

          1. As someone in another thread pointed out, masturbation is gay sex.

          2. But I’m also gay and an immigrant! Should I perhaps cut off my dick in order to get sufficient intersectionality to get respect from the social justice types?

  8. Just when I think we have reached peak stupid someone goes and finds a huge deposit somewhere. They will be extracting the stuff from limestone if they ever run out of faculty administrators.

    1. That would produce less retard not more. Limestone is smarter than academic administrators.

      1. Sure the concentrations are lower but new breakthrough extraction techniques have made mining stupid from limestone economical at current prices. Faculty administrators remain the Saudi Arabia of stupid of course and remain the low cost producers. You basically just sop the stuff off the ground with a sponge in the faculty lounge.

        1. This has been their bread and butter; go to any university campus and simply observe the cornucopia of “administrative” personnel who contribute little to nothing toward education. There is some poetic justice that the monster that could only be imagined by Al Capp has grown and turned on them, only to be replaced by more offices of diversity and inclusion that promotes the new and improved agendas.

    2. As a faculty administrator, I feel threatened by your speech-violence and I demand that you voluntarily submit to mandatory training in the proper language of paninclusivesensitivity.

      1. Just like we have the “penaltax”, we could have “mandavoluntary training”!

    3. Just when I think we have reached peak stupid…

      See above. There’s no such thing. Stupidity is the only infinite resource. If there was only a way to convert it to energy…

      I’ve got it! Giant human sized hamster wheels for all these “safe space” retards.

  9. “I completely understand the importance of our safe space policy, and will defend it to the ground,”

    And you didn’t see this coming? That’s rather dimwitted of you.

    1. That’s the thing, she doesn’t disagree with the notion of silencing people because of their opinion.

      She just disagrees that she should have been silenced for this in particular.

      This is the ultimate result these idiots will all be confronted with. Sadly, in this instance, it makes me think that even the results of their own folly won’t be enough to teach them the error of their ways.

  10. That’s why I just start talking over them until they give up.

  11. For a list of weeping ghosts see here.

    1. That’s because most of the Scots worth a shit left long ago.

  12. If an eyeroll is treated the same as a kick to the groin, why not just go with the kick to the groin?

    “If you wanna whine, I’m gonna give you something to whine about” worked pretty well for my parents, don’t they teach that sort of parenting any more?

    1. Hey, that sort of lip will get you the back of my hand.

      1. If I want lip from you, I’ll unzip my pants.

    2. That’s been my opinion of things. If I’m going to get in trouble equivalent to me punching you in the face, then I should just punch you in the face. At least I’m getting the satisfaction of doing it and also I’m getting the appropriate punishment.

  13. Hand raising leads to Trump rallies, which leads to fascism.

    1. Not to mention the end of the world. See AM Links.

  14. I can see @eusavpaa making a negative head motion again

    It’s just like what Alito did during the SOTU. BURN HER!

  15. Remember last year, when British student leaders declared clapping too triggering and requested that students show approval with jazz hands instead?

    No, but thank you for destroying my dwindling optimism in humanity.

    1. They really are the pathetic remnants of a once-great nation.

      1. Who? Them or us?

  16. Wilson wished that people would stop focusing on the safe-space debacle at the Student’s Association meeting and more on the association’s debate over issues related to Israel and Palestine.

    Ah! I believe that’s called ‘burying the lede’. It’s not your hand-raising, per se, that rankles them, Ms. Wilson, but the fact that Jews (and Jew-lovers) still have arms that are attached to their bodies that is the source of their anger.

  17. She should claim to have Nystagmus. One of the symptoms is involuntary head shaking, so then her victim card becomes more powerful.

    1. My victim card trumps your victim card. Love it.

      1. Please don’t say “trump”. It’s extremely triggering. Especially written. At least you didn’t use chalk.

  18. Would I be free to express my opinion that your safe-space policies are bollocks? That wankers suck as yourself, who insist on having only the softest honey-kissed pabulum pass the precious boundaries of your sensorium, should be first mocked, and then ignored?

    Would I be free to express that opinion, Mr. Peters?

    1. “suck as yourself”

      Typo – or GENIUS?

      1. I’m gonna go with genius typo.

      2. It’s a “Johno.”

  19. Usually when I disagree with someone, I tell them to go suck a big, fat one. Is that off limits now?

    1. Yes, it should be replaced with “eat a bag of dicks”.

      1. Are the dicks packer together like chicken parts? Or are they like baguettes sticking out of the top of the bag?

        (h/t to Louis CK)

      2. Are the dicks packed together like chicken parts? Or are they like baguettes sticking out of the top of the bag?

        (h/t to Louis CK)

      3. I think that would be sexual harassment, sexism, and a microagression. First you’re telling someone to perform a sexual act, you’re specifying male genitalia, and you’re assuming the sexuality of the person you’re insulting.

        Oh, and you’re assuming they’re a practicing cannibal. You are also guilty of racism because since you didn’t specify what color dicks, then one must assume you mean “white”.

    2. I usually counsel the progtarded towards suicide. It just seems appropriate.

  20. Is the screeching of Allahu akbar at the top of your lungs a safe space violation on campus too?

    I know it usually doesn’t make me feel safe.

    1. May I suggest using your nightstick, officer?

      1. Kinky!

  21. My daughters are going to start college classes in the fall. They’re both looking forward to the opportunity to say, ‘”I thought I was coming to college, not daycare.”

    I’m interested in hearing about the reaction to a couple of young women — 15 and 16 — who are pretty libertarian, understand logical fallacies, and aren’t afraid to call bullshit. They’ll probably be the subject of a Reason post within a couple of years.

    1. ‘”I thought I was coming to college, not daycare.” I would so love to see that.

    2. I bet they don’t gravitate toward the humanities. If they think that’s the direction they want to go now, I bet they change their minds.

      1. Incidentally, I think this is one of the reasons why the Russians, even during the Cold War, were so fantastic at math. If you have an excellent mind, wouldn’t you gravitate towards an area with the most academic freedom?

        Is revolutionary math even possible? Maybe in the way its applied. But I don’t think there can be a communist theoretical mathematics. That’s about as far away from the influence of political ideology as academia can be.

        1. You haven’t seen common core have you. We did the Russians one better by politicizing math as well. You can not answer a math question any other way than common core even if its quicker and still correct. Orwell’s 1984 is here

          1. Even that isn’t really so much politicizing math as trying to standardize it. Which is dumb. But when you get to actual math, rather than the simple arithmetic taught in primary school, it’s still pretty impossible to politicize it. It probably helps that no one but mathematicians and serious math students understands that stuff at all.

            1. Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just put all the progtards to sleep?

          2. 175 – 182 +8

        2. They would have been more fantastic if it weren’t for their fifth line problem.

      2. Agreed. They are quite good at math and science, so at least they have the aptitude if they want to go that way.

        They also expect to be told to check their white privilege, so they’re ready to tell such people that they don’t self-identify as white and that they don’t appreciate the othering and micro-aggression of being labeled white.

        I don’t know how much this idiocy affects lower division courses so it may not be an issue for a couple of years, but they’re well-equipped to turn some of these goofy premises against those used to using them as weapons.

        1. “They also expect to be told to check their white privilege, so they’re ready to tell such people that they don’t self-identify as white and that they don’t appreciate the othering and micro-aggression of being labeled white.”

          This is a glorious goal.

        1. Guys in suits on job sites usually equals idiots with no practical experience

        2. Those guys (and girls) solve my problems.

          I love me some civil engineers!

          They’re going a little PC too on the environmental angle. Had an intern ask me if I rally needed so many copies of my drawings. She genuinely wanted to save trees.

          You can’t know how much raw land is worth until you’ve had your geotech guy look at it. Recompacting could cost more than the land itself!

          Civil engineers have no problem being useless. A useless civil engineer is a thing to behold! Even the ones that work for the government have a hard time being truly useless–or maybe I should say, if they’re useless, it’s in spite of being civil engineers, not because of it.

          1. She genuinely wanted to save trees.

            Tell her that paper companies are some of the best sustainable foresters and that if you like trees, you should use more paper. Paper companies own a lot of land and have good incentives to keep it covered in trees.

          2. You can’t know how much raw land is worth until you’ve had your geotech guy look at it. Recompacting could cost more than the land itself!

            It’s amazing Ft Worth exists. The expansive soils down there are horrible.

    3. They’ll probably be the subject of a Reason post within a couple of years.

      Hopefully not walking around with mattresses.

  22. Are we really sure there isn’t some secret, international club of trolls just trying to see what ridiculous demands they can get away with so as to one-up each other? This just feels like a competition to see who can get the most absurd, infantilizing rules put in place.

    1. Conspiracy of helicopter parents who are trying to make sure their children are never treated by adults.

  23. This is symptomatic of people who’ve become so disconnected from markets that usefulness has become an alien concept. I have no idea what uses there are for people who go about trying to stop others from showing their disapproval. Surely the intent of a good education can’t be to make people useless.

    1. See: Sociology, Department of.

      1. Or the ethnic/women studies departments.

        Political advocacy masquerading as scholarship.

        I’ve read that anthro majors are the lowest paid degree among new graduates.

        I have no problem with teaching students to write effectively or subjecting them to plain old intellectual rigor. It can help when they get promoted after they’ve proved themselves selling cars or insurance. But what if the shit you’ve been taught is so antisocial that it renders you incapable of selling cars or insurance or cohabitating with useful and productive coworkers?

        I don’t someone that discourages expressions of disapproval on my payroll. I don’t understand how they conceive of themselves as useful.

        1. They’re anti-productive in every way. Try and fire them and gird yourself for a lawsuit. That’s the only language they know.

    2. I have no idea what uses there are for people who go about trying to stop others from showing their disapproval. Surely the intent of a good education can’t be to make people useless.

      These people are useful idiots and their goal is not to educate, but to create more useful idiots.

    3. Fertilizer?

      1. No, not fertilizer. Soylent Green.

    4. This is symptomatic of people who’ve become so disconnected from markets that usefulness has become an alien concept

      No, it’s just the usual priestly class that tries to get into power in most societies. Whether it’s the Egyptian priests, the priests at the temple in Jerusalem, the Catholic church, or modern progressives: they all create elaborate theologies and beliefs that ensure they stay in power.

      1. Universities are the seminaries of the Progressive Theocracy.

        1. In Europe, universities often are also the seminaries of the Christian theocracy. There really is little difference between the two.

  24. Whatever happened to Scotland the Brave?

    William Wallace would be rolling in his grave over this nonsense.

    1. So much for the land of warrior poets.

  25. . “I completely understand the importance of our safe space policy, and will defend it to the ground,” she told HuffPost UK, “but

    “”BUT IT WAS BEING USED TO SHUT *ME* UP!? Which is not how its supposed to work at all!!”

    – said most naive person ever

    This administrator person seems to be discovering that ‘stated intent’ has little to do with ‘practical utility’. When you give anyone the power to shut other people up by claiming they’re “being offensive”… *it will be used*, and used arbitrarily and capriciously.

    1. “”BUT IT WAS BEING USED TO SHUT *ME* UP!? Which is not how its supposed to work at all!!”

      I really do *love* watching Progressives being devoured by other Progressives, and protesting “Hey, save that stuff for conservatives, *I’m* one of the good guys!”

  26. I believe an institution which upholds the principles of free speech and diversity is superior to a Students’ Association that patronises its own students by insinuating that they cannot handle opinions that differ from their own. We are adults, we do not need condescension or safeguarding. EUSA does their students a huge disservice by engaging in this malpractice.”

    And OF COURSE its a ‘first year’ student who naturally hits upon such an obvious conclusion. It hasn’t been “educated” yet.

    And OF COURSE its a white man. Obviously this so-called “Free Speech” is a tool of the patriarchy.

  27. typical bureauacracy. spend more time about how to conduct a meeting than on real subjects. if i did that in the real world I’d be fired.

  28. Wasn’t this simply an April Fool’s that wouldn’t have been obvious to an American reader because of the time difference?

  29. Peters continued Peters.

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  31. Don’t forget that they were discussing the censure of Israel, a country whose neighbors vow to exterminate them. Whose neighbors shoot 10,000 rockets over the border in a year. And they would like them to not fight back and would like to cripple their economy for that purpose.
    And to show that they are better than Israel, they will attempt to punish a student for merely raising her hand.

    1. Count on Sheldon to never forget to Blame Da Joos!

  32. Trigger Warning: Me telling you to bugger off.

    Bugger off

  33. If a hand gesture is too much for them to handle, how about one with a finger?

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  37. Raised Hands Violate University Safe-Space Policy

    I’ve often heard this.

    Generally when a police officer is accused.

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  39. Monkey see monkey do. Good grief, reminds one of the Sam Kinnison’s skit on god telling an evangelist to check his car oil in the middle of the night just to watch him do it. Really, do the professors who think up and teach this crap do it so they can laugh hysterically at the mindless monkeys wound up with cymbals and drums drumming?

    1. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.

      from:
      1984 – Chapter 3

      90% of the news every day, in a few pages.

  40. You know who else encouraged people to raise their hands?

  41. And what exactly, might this errant nonsense actually mean or amount to?

  42. How should you reply to someone who complains you offended them with your opinion? Easy. Tell them you are offended by their taking offense, so its all good, it all evened out.

  43. Varying cultures and traditions of different institutions are interesting. Compare this controversy at the University of Edinburgh with debate practices in the British Parliament in London. If someone disagrees with you during a parliament debate, you know it! That’s especially true if you’re the prime minister.

    Curious that schools have gone the other way – in fact, over the cliff.

  44. requested that students show approval with jazz hands instead

    Triggering epileptics! Bastards!

  45. I never understood why teachers would call on me when I raised my hand to argue their liberal POV’s.

  46. Where’s Eddie? He usually eats these damn things.

  47. RE: Raised Hands Violate University Safe-Space Policy

    But…but, how will I give Mrs. Clinton the heil Hitlery salute if I can’t raise my hand?

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  49. The only way conservative and libertarian students stand a chance is to embrace these tactics to the utter extreme to illustrate how absolutely, mindnumbingly asinine they are. Every opinion, every action, every expression can be considered a threat to someone if they want it to be. To be victorious in combating these inferior-minded, manufactured offense mentality infantile minds then the battle must be fought on their level. There is no hopping for the best, no letting actions elevate them. To win, sink to their level.

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