Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton Demands Bernie Sanders Change Tone If He Wants More Debates—Blames Cruz, Trump on Disregard for Rule of Law

Cognitive dissonance in the 2016 election.

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Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton does not want to debate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) anymore, specifically avoiding a debate in New York, which is her current home state but also a place whose Democratic voters might be more receptive to Sanders. Her campaign has signaled it will refuse to participate in any further debates unless Sanders changes his tone.

"This is a man who said he'd never run a negative ad ever. He's now running them. They're planning to run more," Clinton's chief strategist, Joel Benenson complained to CNN. "Let's see the tone of the campaign he wants to run before we get to any other questions."

The Clinton campaign has been complaining about "negative ads" since January.

Hillary Clinton, who at a debate last year said Republicans were the enemy she was proudest of, is trying to engage in tone policing. It gets more ludicrous. At a speech in Wisconsin, Clinton sought to blame the rise of Donald Trump, who she calls an "extremist" like Ted Cruz, on Republicans in Washington not rolling over for the president.

"The same obstructionism that we've seen from Republicans since the beginning of the Obama administration, the same disregard for the rule of law that's given rise of the extremist candidacies of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz," Clinton said at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, "it's corroding our democracy and it has to stop."

Wisconsin was the site in 2011 of mob politics, with protesters seeking to "occupy" the Capitol to prevent Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wisc.) from working toward union reforms. A small but loud minority, backed by powerful union special interests, tried to shout down the "democratic process" Clinton says she cares about. Walker's legislation passed and he survived a recall. Liberals have even compared Walker to Hitler, and with frightening regularity challenge the intention of Walker and other non-liberals around the country. Such a polarization, naturally, contributed to the rise of Donald Trump, but heaven forbid anyone take responsibility for their roles in the rise of Trump instead of merely blaming the other side.

Clinton's comment about "disregard for the rule of law" is particularly unbelievable. Clinton is currently embroiled in an FBI investigation over her use of a private server for her government email, which appears to be against the plain letter of the law. She continues to defend U.S. intervention in Libya, despite that intervention receiving no Congressional authorization and contributing to years of instability that have now allowed ISIS to take hold in that country. She was also secretary of state while the Obama administration massively expanded its drone bombings, which amount to little more than extrajudicial killings. She's cheered as President Obama has sidestepped Congress to act unilaterally and in constitutionally dubious fashion on a slew of issues from immigration to healthcare reform.

If Donald Trump wins the presidency and takes power at the White House, his ability to act as a strongman will be thanks to the decades-long project of building an imperial presidency and consolidating executive power, one Barack Obama lamented when George W. Bush was president but embraced once he occupied the White House himself, with slogans ranging from "we can't wait" (code for: I don't want to treat Congress as a co-equal branch) to "I've got a phone and a pen" (a naked celebration of a strong executive made possible by an underlying disregard for the rule of law.)

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  1. “The same obstructionism that we’ve seen from Republicans since the beginning of the Obama administration, the same disregard for the rule of law that’s given rise of the extremist candidacies of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz,” Clinton said at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, “it’s corroding our democracy and it has to stop.”

    I’m done.

    1. Done CORRODING OUR DEMOCRACY?

      1. If he’s on a libertarian blog then he’s contrary. Contrary opinions corrode our democracy. SO NO HE’S NOT DONE.

      2. Reading the articles, they’re too depressing.

    2. “disregard for the rule of law” Oh, you mean like when you maintained a bootleg email server in violation of federal employee policy, and lied about there being classified emails, and deleted tens of thousands of mails to cover up your lies?

      GTFO, bitch.

  2. The Clinton campaign has been complaining about “negative ads” since January.

    Well, duh. Candidates don’t like it when other candidates reveal information about them they’d rather people not know.

    1. Taking a page from the Sandanista playbook

      The Sandinista state censor Nelba Blandon offered a more succinct answer: “They [La Prensa] accused us of suppressing freedom of expression. This was a lie and we could not let them publish it.”

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/a…..esson.html

  3. “The same obstructionism that we’ve seen from Republicans since the beginning of the Obama administration, the same disregard for the rule of law that’s given rise of the extremist candidacies of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz,” Clinton said at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, “it’s corroding our democracy and it has to stop.”

    I guess it’s worse if listeners are stupid enough really to believe this than if she really believes this, but not much.

    1. Once someone decides on a candidate, the words no longer matter.

  4. Trump v Clinton is going to be a doozie, what with the heated competition to see who can tell the most outrageous lies with a straight face. Hillary can talk about back when she was President, Trump will just top her with his stories about when he was Batman.

    1. There won’t be a Trump vs Clinton debate. She is too civilized to share a room with a hateful bigot like him. Why do you think you never see her and her husband in the same room?

      1. She will only debate Trump when he agrees to stop running negative ads.

        1. Yeah right. She’ll pick up the goalposts and run like Tony.

          1. Oh, of course. While her side runs the most vicious and dishonest shit imaginable.

            1. They aren’t attack ads when she does them. She’s simply stating the truth. But when he does it it’s WAR ON WOMEN!

        2. Trump doesn’t need to run negative ads. He just has to talk about all the campaign contributions he gave her and how much she owes him.

      2. Would you want to be in the same room with her? Monica must have looked like a SI swimsuit model and Miss America compared to that hag.

    2. It’s going to be… interesting.

      We’ll hear all about how Bill Clinton has gotten in touch with his inner Florida Man over the last 15 years.

      1. I’ve officially resigned myself to this travesty and am now just going to stock up on popcorn and Buffalo Trace and enjoy the show. I’m trying really hard to ignore the fact that I’m feeling like a death row inmate with one channel on the television.

  5. …(a naked celebration of a strong executive made possibly by an underlying disregard for the rule of law.

    Krayewski didn’t close his parenthesis. WE’RE ALL STUCK INSIDE IT.

    Name one candidate who is going to go into the White House and give up any power. It’s the one branch of the three that doesn’t attract those who want to give away responsibilities but instead gather from the others and beyond.

      1. Now you closed Fist’s open parenthesis, but Ed’s one is still open!

        Here)

        1. We could’ve just let him walk around all day with that open.

        2. A ‘naked celebration of a strong executive’ in a post about Hillary – I’m pretty sure he left the parantheses open to vomit out of.

          You’re imagining a naked Hillary, all oiled up, flexing and posing before a mirror in the Oval Office with a big ol’ grin on her face – now who’s sorry they closed the parantheses?

          1. I’m trying to picture it, but i need to know: does she tuck?

    1. Name one candidate who is going to go into the White House and give up any power.

      GayJo?

      1. Fails the “is going to go into the White House” part.

  6. “Why should i change? He’s the guy who sucks!”

  7. We are sinful creatures. We deserve death. We all do.

    1. The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.

  8. “This is a man who said he’d never run a negative ad ever. He’s now running them. They’re planning to run more,” Clinton’s chief strategist, Joel Benenson complained to CNN. “Let’s see the tone of the campaign he wants to run before we get to any other questions.”

    You mean, like how she started the Obama’s birth certificate story?

    The LAST person who should be playing the ‘holier than thou’s dick’ game is Hillary Frickengina Clinton.

    These people are shameless.

    1. These people are shameless.

      Because they largely get away with it.

    2. shameless was crossed long, long ago.

    3. Pro wrestlers and TV evangelists wouldn’t have the gall to try to say shit like she does.

      She’s in a whole different category of shameless all by herself.

    4. Here, let me translate:

      In Clintonese, negative ad means “wah, he’s pointing out our differences in policy and personal integrity, which is bad for me, because I’m a liar, hypocrite, and sellout!”

  9. I’ve noticed a sudden dropoff in Trump coverage over the last week or so. Is the media coordinating a new strategy of “ignore him and his popularity will decline”?

    1. I think their main focus shifted last week after the terrorist attacks in Belgium.

      Before the attacks, they were more focused on telling us that supporting Trump means you’re a violent racist. After the attacks, their focus shifted to telling us that European opponents of immigration and asylum seekers are a bunch of neo-Nazi hooligans.

      I’m sure they’ll get back on message this week. The Donald will say something, or a Trump supporter will kick some queer ass protester in the shin, and it’ll be all about how Trump and his supporters are neo-Nazis again.

      1. You seem to have an excellent understanding of news cycles, as they are practiced in this country.

        I can hardly wait for the next secular humanistic homily on just how bad I am.

  10. My GOD, is Clinton tone-deaf or what?

    1. At this point, what difference does it make? And yes, she is horribly tone deaf.

  11. If Donald Trump wins the presidency and takes power at the White House, his ability to act as a strongman will be thanks to the decades-long project of building an imperial presidency and consolidating executive power, one Barack Obama lamented when George W. Bush was president but embraced once he occupied the White House himself, with slogans ranging from “we can’t wait” (code for: I don’t want to treat Congress as a co-equal branch) to “I’ve got a phone and a pen” (a naked celebration of a strong executive made possibly by an underlying disregard for the rule of law.

    Trump is proof that we’ve learned nothing.

    1. She’s supposed to be the strongman, damn it. It’s her turn. Bush and Obama were preparing the extensive powers for her, not that muskrat Trump!

    2. I remember back when Bush was president and there was some sort of debate about expanded presidential power, don’t remember the specifics, and I managed to get through to Michael Savage’s show. I asked “Would you trust President Hillary with those powers?” He paused, angrily said “Yes,” then hung up on me and went to commercial.

      1. I think that what you stumbled across is somewhat universal. I believe that the political partisans don’t care about the powers themselves but are obsessed with acquiring it. It’s a game of accelerating influence. Sure, the other guy will be in power, but we’ll be back, and when we are, we’ll run the engine at twice the RPMs.

      2. In spite of agreeing with almost nothing Michael Savage says, I like his show.

        1. He’s the biggest troll on the planet.

        2. I have since moved and am no longer in range of any stations that carry his program. Which is a bummer. The dude is a lunatic, but a hilarious one.

          1. It’s probably streamed for free from one of the stations that carry him. I haven’t listened to Savage in a while, but almost always found him worthwhile listening to for some reason or other. It probably helps that we come from similar medical-scientific fields. He denies ever having heard Jean Shepherd, but I’m not the only one who remarks that his show sounds very similar. I 1st heard Savage when he was carried on a small stn. that carried Judy Jarvis, whose show I listened to.

      3. Ask him again today. I suspect his answer would be different.

        1. This. Now that President Hillary is a shoo-in, I bet Savage (whomever he is) would change his answer.

    3. A Trump presidency would likely get both parties to suddenly discover the virtues of a powerful congress. Conservatives whose solution to this is to elect someone who respects the constitution are pathetic. Thinking someone will not use the powers a negligent Congress has given them is an idle day dream not a plan.

      The founders understood that no one could be trusted with the powers of the presidency and thus put the ultimate power in the hands of the Congress. Our problem is Congress has refused to use that power. The only way I can see to get them to use it is to elect someone neither party in Congress really likes.

      1. This happens all the time in business. A disfunctional situation has to get really bad before it gets dealt with.
        You’ve got to break it to fix it.

        1. That’s how I was with this computer. 2 nights ago resolved a problem that’d degraded performance possibly since I’d gotten it in July of 2016, but was only definitely noticeable this year, then became annoying, and finally over the preceding week had rendered it almost unusable. I just had to uninstall Norton Anti-Virus, which was pre-installed at purchase and running together with Windows Defender.

          1. Not only did you get a computer from the future, you got one with shitware pre-installed on it!

          2. I just had to uninstall Norton Anti-Virus

            You could have just stopped there. A brand new 8-core computer with 64GB of RAM and an array of SSDs would be ground to a halt running Norton Anti-Virus and nothing else.

      2. There’s like four potential positives to a Trump presidency, and this is one of them. I think it’s a bit naive, though: Congresscritters are natural toadies, and if Trump maintains his popularity they will line up behind him whenever possible.

        1. You may be right about that. If you are, then there isn’t a solution. If Congress will fall in line for Trump, they will fall in line for anyone. Trump is is not a sure thing but he is likely the best chance we have.

          1. It’ll be like Jesse Ventura in Minnesota. When he first won office it was on a tide of popularity that cowed the legislature. They couldn’t oppose him because he was popular enough to make it painful for them. But once he started losing that popular support he lacked the institutional support to get the state legislators to work with him.

            1. That is not a bad guess. I think Trump is brighter than Ventura. So his loss in popularity will be less steep and take longer to start to happen.

  12. Bernie’s tone needs more shrill

  13. I convinced two people, who’d never heard of him, to vote for Gary Johnson this weekend.

    1. And they told two friends. And so on, and so on…

        1. According to a recent CNN poll, he’s in double digits.

          1. So is Hillary, but those are Huma’s.
            Seriously though, you might see people so disgusted at losing their preferred horse go down that they either stay home, or get drunk and vote Gary. I hold out hope. Yeah, I know it’s false hope, but it doesn’t hurt.

            1. I don’t think he can win, mind you. But when half the population despises the Team front runners, it might be a good time to get the message out. Folks will be receptive to alternatives. Exposure.

              1. It’s a Mexican standoff at this point. I just try to tell people that even though the trigger is going to be pulled, you don’t have to do it. My finger is not on the pulse of the American populace, however. Sad that a country that fought for liberty has turned into this shitshow.

              2. I also have hopes that by November,a sizable population will be Feeling the Johnson. That is what was meant by exposure, right?

                1. that’s funny!

              3. I doubt the third parties have a chance in hell, but we’re so used to being fed a nonstop stream of “you MUST SUPPORT the winning variant of vanilla-flavored poison” from mouth-breathers in the MSM and our social media connections, we forget that we don’t always have to vote for the winner. Election night will be a shitshow for any independent. But you’ll have flashed your middle-finger bat signal into the sky, for the establishment goons to see. If enough people do that, the stinking garbage fires for candidates that the major parties try to shove at us might change over time.

                More people need to stop believing that their ballot must be a roster of winners.

      1. and then Shrillery sent you all to camp for damaging democracy by voting against her.
        The End

      2. That didn’t even work for shampoo once people realized a cake of soap worked as well.

    2. to vote for Gary Johnson this weekend.

      Now if they’d only hold the presidential election *this weekend*!

  14. Hillary is so arrogant and has been so coddled by her supporters in the media that she can’t take Bernie criticizing her. Yeah, she is going to stand up real well to Trump’s WWF act.

    1. I disagree. She can take the criticism. She’s merely stacking the deck further in her favor:

      1) If Bernie caves, he no longer is a threat to her corronation.

      2) If he says “Fuck You”, she simply denies him the platform.

      3) If he pretends to cave, but stabs her in the back by trashing her in a debate, she has an excuse to plead victimhood that primary voters will just eat up.

      Bernie should tell her to fuck herself… Although stabbing her in the back would also be entertaining.

      1. I don’t think the cries of victimhood will be gaining her any new voters.

      2. I think her team has done the math and found that debating Sanders doesn’t help her campaign. So they looked for an excuse to dodge the debate, and they used an excuse that might help Bernie’s attack ads backfire in the minds of progressives.

      3. I don’t think they are that smart. If they were, they would have phrased this with something less insulting that “change your tone”.

        1. I think they were insulting on purpose. Bernie Sanders is a very angry man. He’s particularly touchy about people with unearned privileges. You can tell he hates Hillary; she is the exact sort of sellout that prevented American from becoming the Sandanista paradise that FDR promised.

          I think they are deliberately trying to provoke him. And Bernie’s just stupid/rigid enough to fall for it.

          1. I can understand his hating Herself for being a sellout AND simultaneously talking about she’ll fixed the same rigged system that she bought into. If nothing else, Bernie is a true believer.

          2. Damn that is concerning to me…he wants to be like FDR?

            1. More like Lenin, I think.

              1. Compared to whom, FDR is a piker. The republic survived 13 years of FDR. Lenin had the Romanovs murdered, his opponents executed, and a dictatorship set up in what, 2 years?

          3. Bernie’s actually much less worrisome than either HRC or Trump. He’s so far out there that none of his welfare-state plans will go anywhere. (The “free” college thing is DOA.) Any executive orders he rolls out will be overturned as soon as he’s out. He is actually anti-NSA-surveillance-state and anti-war, which are sensible. He’s not a fan of overpolicing, the war on drugs, or incarcerating people for harmless “drug offenses.”

            Although he seems to have no clue what to do if Daesh/ISIS ever reached our shores, and his likely reaction to another San Bernardino would be to suggest that Muslim immigrants aren’t getting enough welfare handouts to make them happy, at least he won’t roll ground troops and mercenaries into every dot on a map of the Middle East, like the other two assclowns will.

            1. how anyone buys making college affordable by doing more of what made it so unaffordable in the first place is beyond me

      4. Bernie doesn’t need a platform. 10% of his votes come from hard core socialists who need only know he’s a “socialist”, which they do. The other 90% of his votes come from Democrats who want them to nominate anyone but Hillary; of those, probably 90% don’t want the Bern either, and are hoping someone else gets it; I think they’ll get their wish.

        1. The swings in his polling have nothing to do with his own campaign’s efforts.

        2. I dont know all his support seems to be college kids looking for free stuff

      5. Even for Dems, judging by my social media feed, this was pretty ridiculous. The timing, after she got her ass beat over the weekend in Western caucuses/primaries, is transparently awkward. She shot herself in the foot.

  15. what’s funny – sad funny, no ha-ha funny – is how few on the left will see any problem at all with this tactic.

    1. Of course not. That would require principles.

    2. I heard a lot of ‘Trump is a bully’ at Easter dinner. Is Hillary bullying Bernie for being a bully?

      It’s bullies all the way down!

      1. Well, who else would want the job of President?

  16. “Her campaign has signaled it will refuse to participate in any further debates unless Sanders changes his tone.”

    Hillary Clinton is so thoroughly detestable. And it shows!

    As bad as Trump’s unfavorable ratings are, Hillary’s unfavorable ratings are almost as bad. The Donald’s were at 57% as recently as January. Hillary’s unfavorable rating was at 53% as of March 15.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161…..-news.aspx

    Think about that. Hillary’s unfavorable rating is almost as bad as Trump’s despite all the awful things Trump says. I guess people think actually doing awful things, like accepting money from foreign governments while the Secretary of State, is almost as bad as saying awful things. If and when people come to despise Hillary even more than Trump, it might help to restore my faith in humanity.

    1. so you’re saying Nikki may no longer be the worst????

      1. Unpossible

    2. And despite the media doing everything it can to trash Trump and cover for Hillary. I think Trump is going to have an easier time lowering those numbers than Hillary will.

      1. the irony is that the same media that spends part of its time trashing Trump is the same media that can’t get enough of him, whether it’s Donald himself on the air, a surrogate, or something else. This is the same media that spent three decades slobbering all over him.

        1. He is a master media troller. He also understands that all publicity can be valuable if you know how to spin it properly.

      2. If Trump’s ratings are unfavorable because of what he says, yeah, that’s easier to fix–if and when he wins the nomination.

        If Hillary’s ratings are unfavorable because of who she is and what’s she’s done, yeah, how do you fix that?

        1. Trump is your neighbor who sells you a real estate investment that falls apart yet somehow you keep inviting him to your parties. Hillary is the mother in law no one ever wanted.

          1. The creepy one in the attic?

    3. Newsmax (therefore, retarded), but accurate read on recent WSJ poll =

      Hillary’s Numbers Dropping, Losing Most From Core Support

      The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC Poll, conducted July 26-30 of 1,000 adults, showed that among white women with at least a college degree, the group sharing the most similarities with Clinton, the former secretary of state’s numbers had turned negative, with 47 percent holding an unfavorable view of her and 43 percent showing a positive view.

      In comparison, in June, the same demographic showed 51 percent with a positive view and 38 percent negative, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday

      In the first part of this year, suburban women had a positive view of her by 18 points, but by July, suburban women had changed their view, marking a five-point negative opinion.

      Other results in the WSJ/NBC poll also showed trends that could cause Clinton’s campaign trouble:

      – Independent voters’ support is dwindling. In the first quarter of this year, independents were nearly even, but in the new poll, only 27 percent had a positive opinion of Clinton, and 52 percent saw her negatively.

      – African-American numbers are also dropping. In June, she had support of 81 percent to 3 percent; in July, the numbers went to 66 percent positive and 15 percent negative.

      1. Hillary is the living embodiment of the more you see something, the less you like it. When the phoniness and smarminess is in your face, it elicits a different response than when it’s in the background.

      2. I keep saying she is a horrible candidate and will not win the Presidency, though few people on here believe me. My only fear is that the Democrats are going to figure this out before it is too late and not nominate her. .

        1. and replace her with you? Besides, the DNC seems too invested in her nomination to back away now. Curiously, some of the more observant Bernieboys have figured that out and call shenanigans, though I suspect a good many of them will vote for Herself anyway because Team.

          1. Joe Biden is warming up his Trans Am and would like a word with you wareagle.

            1. I have to admit, the lulz with Joe and Trump would be lul-tastic.

      3. Nobody wants her.

        At best, they’ll settle for her if she can bully her way to the nomination.

        She has the opposite of charisma.

        She’s like Dick Cheney in a pantsuit.

        She’s the anti-Boxxy.

        1. I dubbed them The Hillary Settlers. Their symbol is clothespins on their noses.

      4. Your poll is from last summer.

        1. yes, my bad. That was weird because it popped up in a search of ‘last 7 days’.

          the trend for her is still going the wrong way since the beginning of this year.

      5. Bernie Sanders is so popular here that Hillary supporters actually report feeling marginalized by them.

  17. “Maintain low tones with me! Maintain low tones!”

  18. New York, which is her current home state but also a place whose Democratic voters might be more receptive to Sanders

    She’s leading in the latest poll 71 to 23 percent. If she’s afraid of Sanders in NY then isn’t paying attention to her own damn state.

    1. I don’t think its any worry about ‘losing NY’, as it is reducing Bernie’s media profile in the meantime because he’s been winning all these states in a row or at least way outperforming.

      The only story the media has is “bernie is doing far better than expected”

      Hillary would rather the story be about how Bernie is a dick and people are mean sexists for calling her shrill

  19. Clinton’s comment about “disregard for the rule of law” is particularly unbelievable.

    As are her repeated jingles of “no executive to big to jail” and “I want the public to see all my emails”, ad nausem.

    CBS anchor Scott Pelley … asked Clinton: “Have you always told the truth?” She gave an honest response, “I’ve always tried to, always. Always.”

    It depends on what the meaning of “the truth” is.

    1. She has always tried to tell the truth, but sometimes there are things that make telling a lie necessary. Like when your wife asks you if this dress makes her look fat, you say ‘No’ and leave it at that rather than tell her the truth. With Hillary, it’s necessary to protect her image as an honest and competent humble public servant so as long as the lies she told were necessary lies, they weren’t really lies.

  20. It’s good strategy on HRC’s part: she’s the presumptive Dem nominee and can only be hurt by a poor debate performance.

    I wouldn’t do it either – it’s the luxury of being ahead in the race.

  21. “The same obstructionism that we’ve seen from Republicans since the beginning of the Obama administration,”

    Doing their job, the one they were elected to do, though they do it very poorly.

    “… the same disregard for the rule of law that’s given rise of the extremist candidacies of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz,”

    Talking about rule of law is rich coming from someone given a pass after admitting to committing felonies, but I am not sure how it gave rise to those candidates. It certainly gave rise to hers.

    “it’s corroding our democracy and it has to stop.”

    We don’t have a democracy.

  22. If she didn’t need a debate she would never have brought it up, would just let the request die. Now that Bernie knows she wants/needs a debate he can ignore her calls for a change in tone – perhaps even increase the harshness. This could be fun.

  23. Peggy Noonan said it well:

    “She lately reminds me of the landlady yelling up the stairs that your kids left their bikes in the hall again,” she wrote. “Literally that’s how it sounds:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer……le/2580632

  24. I just got here:
    Triggering?
    Safe spaces?
    Micro-aggressions?
    Been used up?

    1. Masturbation euphemisms?

    2. Just relax and feel the Johnson Sevo.

  25. Bernie Sanders better check himself and realize who he’s talking to.

  26. Hillary is screeching about tone?

    Where is the gag reflex trigger warning?

  27. I wish these politicians would allow non-fans to call them out on their bullshit. What rule of law has been broken? Other than her server

  28. In ancient Rome, the names Caesar and Augustus eventually became the titles of the Emperor and the Imperial Heir Apparent. Will names of American Presidents eventually become the title of the Emperor of America and heir apparent?

  29. “Toko Besi Baja Mandiri juga menyediakan beragam aksesoris maupun perlengkapan bagi bengkel las,” katanya.
    Ditambahkannya, Toko Baja Mandiri berdiri sejak lima tahun lalu, dan berlokasi di tempat yang strategis.
    Klik

    konstruksi baja samarinda
    jasa konstruksi gudang

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