Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton's Use of a Private Email Server Perfectly Explains Why People Don't Trust Her

The Democratic presidential candidate ignored the rules when she set up the system-and has refused to play it straight during the investigation.

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Details about Hillary Clinton's exclusive reliance on a privately run email server during her tenure at the State Department have dribbled out in tiny drips over the last year or so, but now you can find most of the crucial information in a single story, courtesy of a massive investigative piece in The Washington Post.  

The story provides a few new details but mostly serves as an extended roundup. Taken all together it's fairly damning: Whether or not she actually broke the law, the story suggests that her decision to circumvent the State Department's official email system entirely (she conducted all of her email correspondence through her private address via an unsecured Blackberry) while serving as Secretary of State was, at minimum, legally dubious. And even if Clinton didn't break the law, the decisions that she and her senior staff made reveal serious errors in judgment, as well a general sense of disdain on her part for transparency and accountability. It is a story that perfectly captures all of the reasons that people don't trust her.

Let's start with the legal question. According to The Post, various specialists interviewed for the story said her practices didn't fulfill government records requirements. In particular, Jason Baron, the former litigation director at the National Archives and Records Administration—someone, in other words, whose job is to know the finer points of government records retention requirements and make legal judgments about them—told a Senate committee that "the setting up of and maintaining a private email network as the sole means to conduct official business by email, coupled with the failure to timely return email records into government custody, amounts to actions plainly inconsistent with the federal recordkeeping laws." Saying that Clinton's behavior was "plainly inconsistent" with federal laws sounds an awful lot like a long way of saying that it was illegal.

The setup involved shady staffing too. The server at her home was maintained by Bryan Pagliano, a technology staffer at her presidential campaign and political action committee. After Clinton took office at the State Department, Pagliano was hired on as a political appointee in its IT department. That alone is unusual and probably unprecedented. As the Post reports, "officials in the IT division have told investigators they could not recall previously hiring a political appointee."

At the same time that he was working as a political appointee at State, he was also moonlighting as Clinton's private tech help, working on her email setup. His managers at State say they didn't know about the arrangement. When Pagliano was called to testify about Clinton's email setup before a Senate committee, his attorney said that he would plead the Fifth Amendment under questioning. Since then, he's been granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for cooperating with Justice Department investigators. 

This isn't just a legal question, though. It's also a political question, because Clinton is the Democratic party's all-but-certain presidential nominee, and the incident speaks to the way that Clinton makes decisions.

Even if Clinton didn't break the law, she certainly showed tremendously poor judgment in choosing to use a personal Blackberry connected to a privately run email server—housed at her residence in New York state—for her State Department business.

Although she didn't use the BlackBerry inside the secure space surrounding her State Department office, she traveled with it, despite blatant warnings about the risks of doing so. According to the Post, State Department security officials put together a memo warning her of the security risks of using an unsecured BlackBerry, following a speech by counterintelligence official Joel Brenner that basically said that government BlackBerrys had been hacked during the Beijing Olympics. Shortly after the memo was discussed with Clinton's chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, Clinton took an extended overseas trip and, of course, brought her BlackBerry along. In other words, she ignored clear and direct warnings about the risks that her actions posed.

Beyond the potential security issues, it's hard to see her decision to ignore those warnings as anything other than a flagrant display of arrogance and personal privilege. The security team that briefed Mills had, among other things, indicated that Clinton's use of her personal device would set a "bad example" for other State Department employees. In a separate incident in 2011, the Post reports, a memo was sent out to State Department employees warning of "online adversaries" and instructing them to "avoid conducting official Department business from your personal email accounts."

That memo was signed by Hillary Clinton herself. But she didn't follow the instructions she delivered to her own staff.

So Clinton was warned about the security risks, warned that her behavior would set a bad example, warned that was she was doing was in violation of guidelines and expectations that others were expected to follow. But she didn't want to play by the rules.

And when she was called on it, she and her loyalists have been just as dismissive of oversight efforts—and come across as just as untrustworthy in the process

When news about her email first broke, Clinton insisted that there was no classified material at all on her private server. But there's no question at this point that an awful lot of classified material passed through her system. More than 2,000 of the emails she eventually handed over to the State Department had some classified information, and 22 of the emails were deemed so sensitive that they weren't released at all, even in redacted form. These were not some run of the mill, low-level classifications. 

Later, a spokesperson for her campaign defended her by saying "she was at worst a passive recipient of unwitting information that subsequently became deemed as classified." But according to a Post analysis, more than 100 of the classified emails on the server were written by Clinton herself. She's hardly a "passive" and "unwitting" recipient.

Nor were the emails marked classified after the fact. After a State Department inspector general report found several classified emails in a small sample, the IG reported that "these emails were not retro­actively classified by the State Department." 

Clinton eventually released about half the emails on her server (the rest, she says, were personal in nature) to the State Department, and she has patted herself on the back for eventually handing over the emails, declaring that she went "above and beyond" and "had no obligation" to turn over her communications. That is not true. As a federal employee, she was supposed to have turned over all her emails before leaving office. She at one point claimed on CNN that she'd never received a subpoena related to the emails. That's also not true. There's a copy of the subpoena online for all to see.

It's no wonder that so few people find Clinton trustworthy. Nearly 60 percent of Americans don't consider her trustworthy. In a Bloomberg Politics last week, just 25 percent of respondents said that she was the most trustworthy Democratic presidential candidate in the race, compared with 64 percent who picked her rival, Bernie Sanders.

Even if you don't think that Clinton's email setup was wrong, it's clear at this point that it was unusual and represented a bending, at least, if not a breaking of the requirements for government officials. It's the sort of thing that should provoke questions and investigations.

But when called on it, she responded with dissembling and misleading statements, and by praising herself for taking only the most minimally required steps to comply with oversight. This may be the most important revelation from the entire episode: Not only was Clinton willing to ignore the rules—the same rules that she expected others to follow—in setting up her homebrew email server, she's proven unable or unwilling to fully and truthfully account for her actions in the aftermath. It's almost as if Clinton doesn't want people to trust her. If that's the intended effect, well, she's been pretty successful so far.

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  1. She is a classy broad, just the best. YUGE cankles. She’s not showing off her best cankles.

    1. Dude, lunch was only 3 hours ago

      1. Did you get some mutton flaps? Sprinkled with some tasty, finely-aged gorgonzola?

        1. *leans over and projectile vomits into trashcan*

          I hate you.

          1. Vomiting from your eyes, vomiting from your… wherever.

          2. [trashcan slides almost six inches from the force of the vomit]

            1. I had an episode like that during a bout of food poisoning. It was on my way out of Vegas at McCarran Airport. Projectile vomited a massive quantity of stomach contents on the floor in front of the SW Airlines terminal counter. The stupid bitch behind the counter wouldn’t give me a trash can. After the third volley, I had a break from puking and ran to a nearby restroom. Puked a bunch there and then was empty.

              Surprisingly, SW let me board. Although the flight was packed, I had three seats all to myself. Good times.

        2. Do you ever wonder if the carpet matches the curtains?

          I bet it looks like an open faced roast beef sandwich. From Subway.

          1. I bet it looks like an open faced roast beef sandwich. From Subway.

            Even Jared thought twice…but he went in for mouthfuls anyways because Jared.

            1. I wonder why people don’t come here to the comments section more often.

    2. Two Hillary articles today? Have we even had a Trump post yet?

      Sad!

  2. I smell a right wing conspiracy

    1. A VAST one!

  3. Saying that Clinton’s behavior was “plainly inconsistent” with federal laws sounds an awful lot like a long way of saying that it was illegal.

    Why did they leave out the part with him saying “please don’t make me answer this”?

  4. The soft peddling by the author is comical.

    Throughout, they paid insufficient attention to laws and regulations governing the handling of classified material and the preservation of government records, interviews and documents show.

    Oh I think the problem is she paid attention to the laws as she broke them

    Among the multitude of challenges she faced was how to integrate email into her State Department routines. Because Clinton did not use desktop computers, she relied on her personal BlackBerry, which she had started using three years earlier.

    This is patently ridiculous. DOS would have given her a blackberry and she could have forwarded emails from her personal accounts to it. There is no issue of “integrating it”.

    But in those first few days, Clinton’s senior advisers were already taking steps that would help her circumvent those high-flown words,

    She is not a felon, she just didn’t meet up to Obama’s super high ethical standards.

    1. So, apropos of nothing, what’s wrong with Cruz? Wouldn’t he make a better and more conservative president than Romney, McCain or GWB? Why would you support Trump when you have a once-in-a-generation chance to nominate a genuine conservative? Would you support Reagan if he were running against Trump?

      1. What the hell does this have to do with Trump? If Cruz won the nomination, I would vote for him. Come and talk to me when he does.

        1. It seems weird for you to endorse Trump when Cruz seems like he is more in line with conservatism and you are a self-described conservative.

    2. This is patently ridiculous. DOS would have given her a blackberry and she could have forwarded emails from her personal accounts to it. There is no issue of “integrating it”.

      Really. Being as she was the one in charge, she had IT people whose sole purpose in life would have been to provide her with the resources she needed. She wouldn’t have even had to set it up; all she had to do was remember her password.

      1. She asked for the same phone Obama got. The NSA said no. The phone is very fucking expensive, and only the president gets it.

        1. So instead she used her own? They would have happily given her a regular blackberry. Why wasn’t that good enough?

          The phone the president has would have allowed her to email at the highest classification level wherever she was. Understand that the classified net is totally separate from the regular net. So you can’t email unclassified accounts from a classified account. So even if she had gotten the President’s phone, it wouldn’t have allowed her to email everyone from it.

          Sorry, there is no rational way to explain this other than to conclude she is a criminal.

          1. The NSA indeed declined to issue Clintion a secure blackberry.

            IAD had recently created a special, custom-made secure Blackberry for Barack Obama, another technology addict. Now Ms. Clinton wanted one for herself. However, making the new president’s personal Blackberry had been a time-consuming and expensive exercise. The NSA was not inclined to provide Secretary Clinton with one of her own simply for her convenience: there had to be clearly demonstrated need.

            And that seemed dubious to IAD since there was no problem with Ms. Clinton checking her personal email inside her office SCIF. Hers, like most, had open (i.e. unclassified) computer terminals connected to the Internet, and the secretary of state could log into her own email anytime she wanted to right from her desk.

            But she did not want to. Ms. Clinton only checked her personal email on her Blackberry: she did not want to sit down at a computer terminal. As a result, the NSA informed Secretary Clinton in early 2009 that they could not help her. When Team Clinton kept pressing the point, “We were politely told to shut up and color” by IAD, explained the state security official.

            1. I am not denying that. My point is that she couldn’t have accessed her personal email or her unclass email on a secure blackberry.

              So even if they had given her one, it wouldn’t have solved her issue, whatever it was.

            2. But she did not want to. Ms. Clinton only checked her personal email on her Blackberry: she did not want to sit down at a computer terminal. As a result, the NSA informed Secretary Clinton in early 2009 that they could not help her.

              The reporter missed the point here. The problem wasn’t that they wouldn’t give her a classified blackberry. The problem was they wouldn’t give her a blackberry that would allow her to check both her classified account and her personal account on the same device. That is not the NSA. That is just how these things work. The President’s blackberry doesn’t do that. No blackberry does.

              The NSA didn’t tell her she couldn’t have a secure blackberry. They told her she couldn’t have a secure blackberry that also checked unclass accounts, because no such thing exists.

              1. Agreed.

                The fact that she was denied a blackberry does not justify her going out and getting one on her own. That’s like if I asked my boss for the day off, got denied, took the day off anyway, and protested, “I tried to ask permission but you wouldn’t let me!”

                If anything, the fact that she asked for a blackberry makes it even worse – it means that she knows it was not allowed, but she went out and got one anyway.

              2. Such devices do exist, they just aren’t a Blackberry.

          2. So you can’t email unclassified accounts from a classified account.

            Pretty sure there’s a way to do this with some rerouting setup.

            I agree with you she is a criminal. Just talking as a Computer Scientist.

            1. No there is not. The two systems are totally separate. Google SIPRNET and you will see what I am talking about.

        2. Lolwut? This makes no sense.

          1. Blackberries (The president’s notwithstanding) are not rated for Top Secret material. Anything TS or above has to live in a carefully audited environment with no outside access. The president’s is crazy expensive because they had to set up a whole fancy networking operation (replete with their own blackberry servers) to support it. B/C Hill-Dog would have different access levels than the president, they would have to replicate all the work they did for Obama that they did for Hillary. It’s not a simple matter of giving her a vanilla blackberry, as she would have to not be able to receive TS+ email on whatever account the blackberry was tied to.

            1. You miss the critical point. IT wasn’t that they wouldn’t give her a classified blackberry. It was that she wanted a blackberry that would allow her to check her personal email and no blackberry checks both classified and unclassified email. That is why they told her no.

        3. Very fucking expensive? She’s worth like $45 million. How expensive is the phone that will be used to handle top secret communications?

          1. 45m probably isn’t too far off… it’s not the phone, it’s the infrastructure you have to build for each phone because of the current law around TS materials

      2. The reason given in the Washington Post article cited was that the State Department unclassified network was not sufficiently secure. I take that to mean that a hardened BlackBerry like the President’s would, if associated to the DoS network, be exposed to all the vulnerabilities of that network (which now are known to have been substantial). Associating it with the Department of State secure network is out of the question, as that network never is permitted to be interconnected with an outside network.

  5. That’s one of the things about this story that makes it impossible to have any faith in the election process: the Clintonistas’ defense is essentially that Hillary is clueless, so of course she should be President of the United States! And that argument is widely accepted. How is it that she hasn’t been laughed out of town?

    1. Because it’s time for a clueless person to be elected! No more, um, tinfoil ceilings!

      1. Because it’s time for a clueless person to be elected! No more, um, tinfoil ceilings! VAGINA

    1. Oh, he went to Emory? Hopefully it was much safer when he went there.

  6. Another great one

    Few could have known it, but the email system operated in those first two months without the standard encryption generally used on the Internet to protect communication, according to an independent analysis that Venafi Inc., a cybersecurity firm that specializes in the encryption process, took upon itself to publish on its website after the scandal broke.

    Not until March 29, 2009 ? two months after Clinton began using it ? did the server receive a “digital certificate” that protected communication over the Internet through encryption, according to Venafi’s analysis.

    Few could have known it. How could we ever expect Hillary to have known that the server she set up in her own basement wasn’t secure?

    1. “Few could have known it”

      What utter BS. It is readily apparent to the sender and recipient by the presence of a little symbol right in the email header denoting the verified certificate. You can choose to get just the identity certificate or both the identity and encryption certificate.

  7. Even if Clinton didn’t break the law, she certainly showed tremendously poor judgment in choosing to use a personal Blackberry connected to a privately run email server?housed at her residence in New York state?for her State Department business.

    I wonder if this would even be PCI level 4 compliant.

    1. Credit card payments were processed through the Foundation servers.

  8. The fact that it’s even a question whether what she did is illegal or not is ludicrous. If you work in gov’t and have a clearance, you get handling of classified info training EVERY SINGLE YEAR and systematically transferring classified information onto an unsecured system falls into the category of things that training very specifically says is illegal. Period. End of Discussion.

    I can’t even plug a USB drive into my work computer on the UNSECURED network without having IT and Security shit an entire masonry factory and garnering a security infraction but somehow she gets to skate with a whole damn email server of her own processing classified info. Guess the rules are only for us little people.

    1. ^+1 Exactly right. I’ve had the same training multiple times. There is no question, what she did is illegal. Anyone else would have already been in jail.

      Standard procedure if classified info is sent out is for gv’t to grab hard drives of all machines implicated (servers included) and destroy them. The person that sent them reprimanded (if it was accidental), or harsher (jail) if it was intentional.

    2. Exactly. If I’d ever done what she did, I’d be chained up somewhere, making big rocks into little rocks for the next twenty years, minimum.

      1. If you had managed to avoid being executed, you’d be naked in solitary confinement until you died or the sun burnt out.

    3. I mention these same protocols all the time. I even point out the forms that have to be signed and the laws that govern information security. I’ve had shitlib lawyers try to throw their law degrees in my face and subsequently turn into sputtering nincompoops when I cite chapter and verse which federal regulations she actually broke.

      Hillarybots don’t give a shit about any of this. They truly believe she’s the victim of some VRWC to derail Her Inevitability because SEXISM, YOU MISOGYINIST. Her candidacy represents the epitome of Clinton entitlement and the 25+ years of enabling that they’ve received from a party that treats government regulation like holy writ.

      One interesting thing I’ve noticed about her defenders on Derpbook is that they’re almost all retirement-age baby boomers or cat ladies who are still pissed off at Daddy decades into adulthood. If Cruz said the first thing he’d do in office is bring Hillary up on charges he’d probably sweep the rest of the Republican primaries, because outside of these folks and the DC establishment crime cartel, everyone else seems to hate her guts.

      1. There is a certain breed of boomer hag that loves Hillary. If the Democrats don’t nominate her, I think they will sit out the election and I don’t think the Democrats can win without them.

        1. The Hillary Hags will vote D no matter what. The party really needs to be worried about Bernie’s supporters sitting it out, because the Reps are getting far more participation in their primaries so far. That’s a bad sign for the Dems in an election year.

          1. you don’t have to worry about that. you already see the useful idiots getting riled up to fight Trump because he’s “literally the next hitler”. expect to see more and more vilification and bullshit of this manner. Expect the Bernie supporters to fall in line like they always would because it’s the most important election ever! and first female president! typical lemmings.

            1. I’m thoroughly convinced that Democrats would vote for the soggy corpse of Bin Ladin if they fished it out of the ocean and inducted it into the party, cheering all the way that they’re fighting for this or that

    4. I am pretty sure that Huma took those training modules for her.

    5. The records showed she received this briefing. Once. She skipped the rest of her time in office.

    6. Thank you.

      There has *never*, *ever* been a question on whether this was illegal.

      The only question is whether it’s execution for treason, or a thousand year prison sentence.

  9. This story is beyond the realm of retardation.

    She knew full well what she was doing and now the system that would ream regular people or even those within government agencies (particularly those who deal with security) is unlikely to bring her to face justice as she ought to.

  10. All this stuff and more, with citations and quotations, will be in the public’s face in the general campaign.

    I trust she will be wiping her tears of rage and shame, like with a cloth or something.

    1. Her tear-analogues (if you want to call them that) are known to completely dissolve terrestrial fabrics in less than six seconds.

  11. I would very much agree with the premise.

    I really, honestly don’t give a crap about whether circumventing the government IT bureaucracy at some level of risk disqualifies one from being president. But the dismissive, mocking attitude toward the idea that someone might be concerned about such things, and the cascading series of easily disprovable lies that she has spun about it? Those are traits I’d rather not have attached to a person powerful enough to drone me to death if I look at her funny.

    1. She exposed the entire state department to snooping by the Russians.

      What could be more disqualifying? Dating Putin?

      1. Dude. Putin’s an alpha with standards.

  12. I didn’t break the law, I was just inconsistent with its demands! Sheesh.

      1. Her compliance was just more selective…

  13. But according to a Post analysis, more than 100 of the classified emails on the server were written by Clinton herself. She’s hardly a “passive” and “unwitting” recipient.

    Well, to be fair, she could have been drunk when she wrote them.

    1. “Oh shit….did I drunk email The Hague again?!”

      1. Who hasn’t done THAT after a fun night?

        1. There’s nothing worse than a bad hagueover.

  14. Hillary should thank her lucky stars she didn’t have to deal with HIPAA compliance, the very law that was created by the Clinton Administration in the wake of their failure to enact single-payer.

    1. I like how HIPAA is one of the biggest, most confusing bureaucratic jungle mazes on the books, but “progressives” still shriek about how healthcare was “totally unregulated”.

  15. It’s almost as if Clinton doesn’t want people to trust her. If that’s the intended effect, well, she’s been pretty successful so far.

    It’s like Trump saying all that outrageous crap because he doesn’t really want to be president.

    What a strange election this is!

  16. Do we know yet if the attackers on the compound in Benghazi are connected to the Assad regime? I am just connecting the dots here with regards to this fake scandal, but if I was a betting man…Putin found out about the gun running through Benghazi to the Syrian rebels from Hillary’s server and handed the info over to Assad who then sent his henchmen to Benghazi to shut that shit down. If that is true she belongs in front of a firing squad.

    The only thing more insane than electing Obumbles twice or the commie once would be putting this woman in the Oval Office.

    1. The Donald’s on good terms with Putin, isn’t he? Maybe he can convince Vlad to pony up some evidence.

      1. Vlad is saving the evidence to blackmail Hillary when she is President.

    2. Who attacked Benghazi?

      All I can find is ‘Islamic militants’ and ‘militias that formed to oppose Muammar Ghaddafi’ (which doesnt make any sense) and that the Libyans there protested the attack and praised ambassador Stevens. Also some sites are still up claiming it was the video.

      My money is on Assad’s minions assisted by locals loyal to Ghaddafi and it happened because of Hillary’s egregious and illegal breach of security.

      Fake scandal my ass. The woman is a traitor and the murder of the Americans there is squarely on her head.

      1. Also some sites are still up claiming it was the video.

        Oh they will never let that one go. You hold on to that shit until death. It’s just the rules.

      2. Oh what an intricate web you have weaved. Where do the Lizard People fit in?

      3. I read a while back it was Al-Qaida or an AQ affiliate.

  17. Finally after over two dozen paragraphs buried near the bottom of the story we get this

    Others involved classified matters. State Department and Intelligence Community officials have determined that 2,093 email chains contained classified information. Most of the classified emails have been labeled as “confidential,” the lowest level of classification. Clinton herself authored 104 emails that contained classified material, a Post analysis later found.

    The majority was just confidential information. How many? The author most know or he couldn’t say it was a majority. Lets say it is 1,200 out of the 2,093. That is a “majority”. It also means there are nearly 900 emails that have secret or better information.

    1. Most of the classified emails have been labeled as “confidential,” the lowest level of classification.

      “What do you call someone who graduates from medical school at the bottom of their class?”

      1. Classified?

        1. “That’s *Doctor* Classified to you!”

  18. Later, a spokesperson for her campaign defended her by saying “she was at worst a passive recipient of unwitting information that subsequently became deemed as classified.”

    Yes, how on Earth could Hillary Clinton possibly anticipated that people would email classified information to her State Dept. email address?

    1. “As God is my witness, I thought classified was just for the military!”

      1. I love that logic. It’s like if I were to put my home phone number on a business card and then get completely bewildered when people started calling my house phone for business stuff.

    2. What I don’t get out of all her supporters saying she never received or sent at-the-time classified information on that server—Wouldn’t that mean she never ever handled classified data in her entire term as Secretary of State? That seems mind-bogglingly false.

      1. The problem is your making the false assumption that these people operate off a basis of logic and rational thought. The reality is they operate in a state of constant cognitive dissonance regarding just about everything. Secondarily, in their world narrative facts.

  19. Saying that Clinton’s behavior was “plainly inconsistent” with federal laws sounds an awful lot like a long way of saying that it was illegal.

    It ain’t illegal if the law knows you did something, and refuses to act.

    If you or I did what she did, it would be illegal. With her, it is just “inconsistent” with the laws.

    1. I didn’t murder anyone. My act of shooting the victim 47 times was just inconsistent with the state laws regarding murder.

  20. How is it that she hasn’t been laughed out of town?

    I’m laughing on the inside.

    *returns to loading magazines for Thompson*

  21. Everyone knows that what she did was wrong.

    The reality is that it will change no votes. Team blue is willing to forgive her in exchange for abortions.

    Team red was never going to vote for her.

  22. Even if Clinton didn’t break the law, she certainly showed tremendously poor judgment

    Oh, come on. She had bigger fish to fry.

    1. Libya wasn’t going to bomb itself Books.

  23. She had to know that this would come to light one day and that she’d be running for President at the time. It wouldn’t look good, so there had to be a calculation at work. The question is what was so valuable/damaging to her that she would risk the political fallout from all of this coming out? What the fuck is she hiding?

    1. You would think that. I am starting to wonder if she is just that arrogant and maybe a bit senile and actually thought she would get away with it. Hell, she may be right. Most of the people on this board think she will.

      1. Considering how many people look at it as no big deal and continue to support her, I’d say its pretty clear that she thought she could get away with it.

      2. I’ll cast my vote for profound arrogance along with confidence born of experience. Remember Whitewater?

      3. She came very close to getting away with it. This only came to light when a hacker got into one of her crony’s email accounts, and found email traffic with Hillary on a private server.

      4. She absolutely is, I’ve honestly felt that way from the start. I don’t think it’s incompetence, I don’t think it’s senility. I think it is pure 100% unadulterated arrogance. She truly believes she is above the law, and sadly I have a strong feeling that will be borne out to be true. IMO the FBI will recommend that Loretta Lynch proceed with an indictment, and she will decline to do so at the behest of the current administration. Ultimately I believe it will go nowhere.

    2. I suspect she was doing Clinton Foundation business through that account and wanted to keep it dark. Maybe she was shaking down foreign governments for donations or otherwise doing questionable or illegal business. After all, she did have the server wiped clean as soon as she was out of office. She just didn’t count of the FBI getting the emails back.

    3. you are absolutely right. nobody is looking at that angle.

    4. She’s hiding the money trail.

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    1. A top of the range Acura? Get the fuck out!

    2. Not to cast aspersions, but if I could make over $80 per hour, I’d work more than 30 hours per week.

      1. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you suggesting that spambot here might be less than honest?

  25. HIllary is an extremely weak candidate and should be beaten handily by the opposition.

    Wait for the Republicans to fuck it up, though.

    1. They will. Team Red had a “deep bench” and the advantage of running against a party trying to protect incumbency for a third term. They had the advantage of knowing who the Team Blue nominee was for four years. The candidates had something for everybody – some governors of Red States, governors of Blue/Purplish states, Senators, Young guys, old guys, racial diversity, a female candidate, people from business, people that had done things other than politics, socons, neocons, and libertarianish guys. Somehow instead of distilling that into a candidate that was likeable, warlike and Jesus-loving enough to appeal to the base but not so much so as to stir much negative sentiment, they produced TRUMP. There is a reason they are known as the Stupid Party.

      1. ”Team Red had a “deep bench””

        So it seemed at one time, but when any of them but the last 2 1/2 got off the bench they immediately fouled out.

  26. Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Private Email Server Perfectly Explains Why People Don’t Trust Her

    Only some people don’t trust Hitlery.
    Those who want a socialist slave state for the United States trust her with other people’s lives.

  27. Ms. Clinton only checked her personal email on her Blackberry: she did not want to sit down at a computer terminal.

    The hack Post reporter lets this claim go unchallenged. Who only checks their emails on blackberry and refuses to use any kind of computer? No one on planet earth that I am aware of. Blackberries are a pain in the ass. You can’t look at attachment and you can’t type on them very fast. They are also notoriously hard for older people to use because the screen and the buttons are so small. So Hillary at her age is claiming she only uses one?

    And by the way, her emails that have been leaked are often fairly long. So the claim is that Hillary typed all of those emails with her thumbs on a blackberry?

    1. You bring up some good points, I’m not buying the horseshit either that they are trying to feed us-furthermore the Post isn’t exactly anti Clinton in its coverage, Post articles should be read and absorbed with caution.

    2. Nah, she had a secretary type them on a computer for her.

  28. “Nearly 60 percent of Americans don’t consider her trustworthy”

    Soo basically she is a typical politician, why should we consider her any worse than Trump, Cruz, Sanders etc?

    1. It doesn’t matter how untrustworthy people think she is, it matters how untrustworthy she actually is.

  29. And yet, this woman WILL be the next president, and the first “female” one. This is her punishment for being a felon many times over. What a country we live in.

    Plus, this: “just 25 percent of respondents said that she was the most trustworthy Democratic presidential candidate in the race,
    What I am dying to know is, who the f*ck are that 25%? Are they retards?

    1. I agree, “just 25%” are millions of Americans-really makes one have faith in their fellow citizens.

      1. Just like there’s 25% of Republicans who think Trump is a good option. People are not smart.

    2. see my comment below for an answer about that 25%.

  30. i’m currently having a discussion with a person who thinks everyone would think hillary was just delightful and would absolutely want her to be president if only the gop hadn’t said so many mean things about her. we’ve all been brainwashed. if i’m comprehending this correctly, it assumes that all the mean things the dems say about the other side are absolutely true and they’re pure evil.

    1. You can’t get through to the person you’re debating with-its a lost cause, unfortunately there are lots of brain dead f**ks like that walking around thinking they have it all figured out. It’s sad to witness.

    2. That’s why I honestly don’t bother arguing with anyone who is not a classic liberal, or right of that. You would have a better chance of convincing a brick to do a backflip than convincing them of something logical and rational.

  31. So, any takers on whether the appearance of a serious investigation (e.g., the 147 FBI agents working the case, the granting of legal immunity to her tech guy) is genuine, or just elaborate political theater that will allow the White House to say “See, we looked under every stone and STILL couldn’t find any wrongdoing”? Personally, my money is on the latter, much as it pains me to say so.

    1. i always supposed it would be something along the lines of how the obama administration could only find one trader who did anything wrong during the financial crisis, and still insisted they turned over every rock in the pursuit of justice. in other words, you can’t indict someone if you’re deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid, because you’ll -astonishingly- never uncover anything.

    2. I don’t think Obama gives two shits about her personally. He’ll make it drag out until January and after that it’s Not His Fault. He will be too busy giving $250K speeches to waste any brain space worrying about it. He’ll find out from the papers like everything else in his presidency.

    3. There would be no need to waste that many agents’ time for such an extended duration if the purpose was political theater. If it had leaked that, say, 15 agents were on the case, would anyone grouse that that’s an insufficient number? I’d consider that a relatively large devotion of manpower – far more than needed to demonstrate the FBI is at least going thru the motions – and yet it’s a tenth of the actual number.

      Likewise with the grant of immunity. It would be completely unnecessary to go thru the hassle of getting someone at DOJ to grant it if stagecraft was the only intent.

      Don’t forget the FBI recovered her “personal” 31,000 emails. She belongs in jail for the emails she willingly turned over, so I can’t imagine what crimes are uncovered via the deleted ones.

  32. You know who else couldn’t be trusted with government email?

    1. General Custer

    2. That woman at my work who used her State of Ohio email address to do her online clothes shopping, then never responded to any work-related emails because they were all buried by promotional offers from Nordstrom, Forever 21, and JC Penney?

  33. Her ongoing double-talk might be yet another reason.

  34. Disclaimer: I did not vote for Bill Clinton, nor did I, nor do I like Hillary’s persona. However, this story is really so much hype. If you do a little digging, you’ll find that:

    – Using a personal email system was not illegal when she was doing it. This has been covered quite clearly.

    – It wasn’t until 2011, amid pressure from advocates, that President Obama required a “modernized records management” system for federal agencies

    – Many (if not all) prior administration personnel have used personal emails in the past. Most notably in the news recently, Condi Rice, Gen Powell, Department of Veterans Affairs, benefits chief Allison Hickey, etc… etc. Kerry is the 1st to exclusively use the government system.

    Having had to access a company system to look things up, send emails, etc, while in the field, I can heartily support her (and everyone else) when they say that trying to do so is complicated and awkward.

    Hillary’s big crime isn’t that she did anything wrong…stupid perhaps… but no different than anyone else., it’s her grating demeanor. That’s it. That and the Republican (and now apparently the Libertarian) party’s attempt to find fault and smear her. That seems to be the way things work these days. You only have to watch the hissyfit between Trump and Cruz to see how ugly, demeaning and un-American this practice is.

    1. – Many (if not all) prior administration personnel have used personal emails in the past. Most notably in the news recently, Condi Rice, Gen Powell, Department of Veterans Affairs, benefits chief Allison Hickey, etc… etc. Kerry is the 1st to exclusively use the government system.

      And this is all lies

      Rice didn’t use Email AT ALL for State Dept business.
      Powell had a personal email ACCOUNT, not a personal SERVER, and exactly 2 emails with sensitive info were sent by others to that account,

      The VA doesn’t deal in classified intel, the head of HR and benefits surely doesn’t

      Get your head out of your ass

    2. Like NashTiger so eloquently stated-get your head out of your ass, are you obviously trolling or do you have reason confused with Huff?

    3. All of your bullshit here is irrelevant because Executive Order 13526 and the SF 312 that everyone with a security clearance has to sign forbids people from allowing classified information outside siprnet and JWICS. It’s not a question of her grating personality, contrary to your ignorant assessment–it’s the fact that she broke information security law, lied about it, and then acted as if it wasn’t her fault that it ended up on her private server. Fuck off with your red herrings.

    4. Anybody can use personal email for personal business. Just like everyone can use the toilet.

      But route classified information out of secured, classified systems, and you are a *criminal*. It’s always been that way.

      Classified information stays within classified systems. You take it out, and you’re a criminal.

      Anyone who has ever worked with classified information knows this.

  35. Hillary is the kind of person, that, if you wanted to tell your spouse or significant other the relationship was over, you’d tell her, because then she’d be sure to find out….

  36. Whether or not she actually broke the law

    Oh please. Can we stop with the idiotic kabuki dance over whether she broke laws?

    Any peasant who rerouted thousands of classified documents to a home server would be serving a thousand plus year sentence in solitary confinement, if they had first managed to avoid being executed for treason.

    1. This may be the most important revelation from the entire episode: Not only was Clinton willing to ignore the rules?the same rules that she expected others to follow?in setting up her homebrew email server, she’s proven unable or unwilling to fully and truthfully account for her actions in the aftermath.

      To whom is it a “revelation” that Clinton is a congenital liar?

      The kabuki dance goes on.

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