Would Clinton vs. Trump Be the Ugliest Campaign in History?
Attack ads circa 1800 suggest otherwise.
Given Donald Trump's proclivity for going on the attack—and all the skeletons he and Hillary Clinton keep in their closets—it's tempting to think a general election between these candidates would lead to fireworks like we've never seen before.
In an article in The Fiscal Times, long-time pollster John Zogby says that for Trump,
it's no-holds barred. So this will be Monica's blue dress, this will be [Bill Clinton's] bimbo eruptions, this will be the Clintons' White Water [business deals in Arkansas] and we haven't even gotten to Benghazi yet.
On the other side of the coin, Clinton will have plenty of personal indiscretions from which to choose, including Trump's predilection for mistresses and record of ugly divorces. And that's just gravy, given The Donald's business practices (how's that B.A. from Trump University working out?) and disparaging comments about women, Hispanics, and many other categories of humanity. Such sentiments may not fly once outside of the GOP tent.
But will this dynamic play out in a more vicious general election than we've seen before? Is civility simply a relic of a bygone era?
Some historical context suggests otherwise. Watch the video below to see what political attacks were like circa 1800.
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One can only hope.
There is nothing to hope for except hope itself.
And Change.
You can hope for change.
Veep reference?
I do! I do!
KILL! KILL! KILL!
Aren't you missing a pussycat?
You're right.
+1965
That's sick shit.
A better ending would have been for him to step into the cornfield and then turn around with an AK and shut them up.
For Good.
"You drive a Hundai, you should probably upgrade to a hearse"
Coffee through the nose on that one. Hilarious.
Speaking of the ugliest things in history...
Cavemen = Fucked pretty much anybody, anything
Now i know why i have an instinctive aversion to people named 'Dennis'
You're telling me you've never been attracted to a bonobo? I can understand a chimp- they're ugly as son... but bonobo is beautiful.
I think the two "N"s Dennis-named people are not descendants of Denisovans. It is the one-N types such as Denis Leary.
Yeah, they're assholes.
Yeah, I read that study this week. Strangely, the Denisovan DNA was found in Pappa New Guinea, which is quite far from Denisova Cave, Siberia.
Nice.
NICE
Cavemen = Fucked pretty much anybody, anything
Hmm. So simple even a caveman could do it?
So Adams is Sanders and Jefferson is Trump?
No.
Doesn't have to be the worst ever to be mind-numbingly awful.
Also, no 24/7 news, Internet, etc. So, yeah. Worst ever for me.
Well, Reason can be your safe space. You're unlikely to run into articles about Trump around here.
Not if you use Reasonable 3.0.
Speaking of ugly, not only is this NSFW, if you even *think* about work while listening to it, you'll be fired.
You know who else made disparaging remarks about his political opponents?
Ronald Reagan?
You guys are boring today. I'm gonna go see if I can find a sucker, er a mark, er I mean an opponent to play a friendly game of 8 ball.
And if you thought my last link was perverted and nasty, this makes SugarFree look like Jane Austen.
Ugly: Head of Bernie Sanders Super PAC arrested for fraud
Interesting, I thought Sanders wasn't accepting PAC monies.
With Super PACs, I don't think they have the option of accepting or rejecting. That would be "coordination."
The Maryland Senate votes to remove all the cool lyrics from their state song.
The bill now goes to the House.
If this passes, then as far as I know of there will be no state song containing the word "scum."
let's see...
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/201.....b0049t.pdf
You need a hobby, Eddie. You want to play a game of pool?
Weekend trolling *is* my hobby.
Well, one of them, anyway.
He could've taken Fats. He had that fat man beat!
How about you Spence? All the sticks at this place suck and I didn't bring mine. Come on Spence, I'll spot you two balls and let you play slop.
9 ball or straight? I'm a 9 ball man, played for my school in college... but I'm pretty awful. $100 a game is all I can afford to lose.
9 ball or straight? I'm a 9 ball man, played for my school in college... but I'm pretty awful. $100 a game is all I can afford to lose.
Nine ball is fun. Kinda sloppy for my tastes. But yeah, if you bet by the ball it completely changes the game.
I'm not really a betting guy, I was just making a funny. I'm good enough to feel guilty for taking candy from babies, and wise enough to know there are people out there could clean my clock.
As long as there's a lot of gratuitous nudity from the candidates I think it'll be fine.
Shudder.
Candidates you'd most like to see naked...begin!
OK, maybe that wouldn't be such a great idea.
That I Indian Governor lady? Sarah palin? Out of curiosity, of course.
all within the boobs, nothing besides the boobs
Miss her yet?
as long as she keeps that scowl off her face...
You still can't grab my gun
woad, I mean would
nobody would dare say neigh to her
Not. Bad. At. All.
Does this make you feel weird?
Lucifer was once an Angel.
Well who wouldn't want to be in the People of Freedom party.
Oh, and would.
Hitler?
Forget the 1800s. Go back and read some of Cicero's speeches to the Roman Senate on the topic of Mark Antony.
Cicero really, really, REALLY hated Mark Antony. And he was eloquent in his hatred, if a bit prolix.
And he was eloquent in his hatred, if a bit prolix.
A Roman walks into the Senate and sees a man giving a speech on the floor. "Is that Cicero talking?", he says to another onlooker.
"Yes," says the man. "He's been speaking for almost two hours now."
"What about?", he asks.
"I don't know, he hasn't gotten to the verb yet."
As someone who studied latin for 4 years, I can appreciate this
Trump protesters demonstrate their high-brow political views, and high-road-traveling-ways
The Chicago Teachers Union is threatening to shut down the Loop during evening rush hour on 4/1. Even for the CTU, that's astoundingly brainless.
Maybe it's good that everyone is getting the epic signaling out of their system early. Oh who am I kidding.
I really don't know what it is they think they might be accomplishing.
Trump isn't trying to win the votes of young urban minorities. The anti-trumpness just seems to be something for Bernie people to do rather than dwell on how little they like Hillary.
I expect they'll get tired of this faster than OWS. Or rather, they'll have once-a-month spurts in different places, but mostly - again - in areas where there are no Trump voters to begin with. Its really just giving the media something to do...again... to avoid dwelling on how little they like hillary.
They could all vote in the Republican primary instead... wouldnt that be more effective?
yes, but that's far too practical and lacks any of the social-identity-affirming aspects of protesting.
I shouldn't make the mistake they actually want to IMPACT something.
If anything, Trump is a progressive-liberal's wet dream = Someone even more hate-inspiring than BOOOOOSH
The progressive wing is historically an opposition group anyway. they've never held more power than they have under Obama. And they mostly blew it. So they're probably far better off with someone like Trump to seethe at.... rather than someone like Cruz, who they'd be harder-pressed to demonize.
Oh, the CTU crap isn't election related - I mean, yeah, of course Chicago teachers (& especially the ones who will "call in sick" for a bit of industrial action) are massively Dem. But this particular bit of idiocy is purely local politics - CPS is flat fucking broke and the CTU is bound and determined to not be any help in fixing a problem it was instrumental in creating.
I just mentioned it in connection with the Arizona stupidity as another example of how blocking traffic is a completely dumbass strategy. (The CTU protest should be even more brilliant than BLM protesting police brutality by assaulting Christmas shoppers. We have *really* stupid activists here.)
Oh, i assumed it was trump. If a meteor hit planet earth right now, I'd probably also assume it was trump.
Progs who insist that we need more federally controlled industries (like healthcare, energy, transport, etc) seem completely oblivious to the way currently-state-controlled industries (fail to) work = they become mere patronage system, which unions use to endlessly demand more candy.
they always insist that Europe works so much better. *but it actually doesnt*. Spend more than a year in the UK and you find yourself stranded due to transport strikes, or you find yourself with a ruptured appendix but no one to actually help you because, sorry = contract-time again.
or maybe you find yourself at a pub and wonder why its being forced shut at 11PM. politicizing everything always produces shit outcomes.
Well, I'm sure they'll find a way to drag Trump into it - after all, the Big Bad with regards to CPS from the prog perspective is Rauner, an uber-rich Republican... the connections are obvious!
I was once stranded in Bologna by an Italian rail strike - had to take a fucking taxi the rest of the way to Florence. (Had a flight home the next morning.) But I profited from experience. When I went to visit friends in the east of France a few years later, I flew into Geneva and then took a *privately operated* bus from there.
Oh, they'll find Cruz easy to demonize: odd looking, Christian, Constitutionalist, Canadian....
If they're Bernie people, they need to vote in the Democrat primary for their candidate. There is the hypothesis that some Clinton people voted for Trump in states where she was a lock, or thought to be a lock (and so THAT is why she lost Michigan). Usual primary season conspiracy theory stuff.
Shutting down a live rally is pointless in the age of mass media.
Most of Trump's opponents are engaging in useless catharsis. IF there is a way to change his supporters minds, they aren't engaging in it.
April FOOLS....that will gain them sympathy.
You should never walk in a dangerous hood.
'Hood. Needs more apostrophe.
Don't enact my punctuational labour.
He could have been making a Trayvon reference?
FIE! You have spoken aloud the name that not must be spoken! The true name of the Obamason!
He who would have been in line for the Iron Law Throne if not for the miscreance of that ill-tempered vigil-man!
The campaigns will be so ugly that they will both lose the election and we'll have to do it over again.
The campaign will be so ugly it will have to wear a paper bag on top of the paper bag over its head.
It will be so ugly if it shows its face in public it will be arrested for mooning passerby.
It will be so ugly that Medusa will turn to stone just looking at it.
It will be so ugly it will enter an ugly contest only to be told, "sorry, no professionals."
hat tip
Protesters wear Klan hoods to Trump rally. You won't believe what happens next!
Black dude kicks white protester in KKK hood. Interesting.
"What's that black guy mad about? Doesn't he know I'm on *his* side, making an ironic point about the blah blah blah?"
Trump's numbers notch up another percentage point?
Where are all the white women at?
Please note that, if both Clinton and Trump are nominated by their respective parties, the Canadian border will be closed to US emigres until January 21, 2021 or the successful impeachment of the winner, whichever comes first.
Because, it's like, 2016, man...
Seriously, anyone on this board who thinks moving to Canucks Land will be any better should turn in their libertarian card.
I doubt we would get any libertarians. It is the sort of people who would consider moving here that we don't want.
That exactly is what Trump is saying! Lol
"...It is the sort of people who would consider moving here that we don't want."
Yeah, I understand the flood of immigrants was overwhelming after W won, right? They were ALL promising to leave.
If you meant the ugliest candidates, I think Hilary would win that all by herself
Dunno, they are all ugliest in their own way.
Yeah, there are no decent looking candidates left
Kasich is relatively handsome, but old.
We're just making America great again!
We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds.
But it likely WILL be a more vicious election campaign than WE (those alive today) have ever seen before. Some standards of decency regarding political attacks have developed over the last two centuries; to see them disappear entirely is probably not a good thing for our republic.
That's really funny...They are politicians and should be abused and mocked endlessly on both teams and have been abused and mocked for 2 centuries. You are a moron, sir.
I think this is more interesting than Hump v. Trillary. But most things are.
Needz moar lolcats.
That watermelon is pretty dope.
Normally I wouldn't want them to cast a girl to play Jesus...
certainly the ugliest campaignERS in history, no?
Kinda interesting.
I've read pop-analysis that claimed the election always went to the (taller, better-looking, better-groomed). The local rag yesterday posted an image of that hag that must have taken several days of 'Shopping and worn out several mother-boards to achieve; sorta like that 40-YO photo posted on the 'singles' site.
And then Trump is pretty homely, too (but the media seems to find no need to scrounge flattering mugs of him).
True, the ugly factor is a wash. The Hildog looks far more rode hard and put away wet than Trump at this point. That could certainly change...Donnie could blow a gasket any day, too, they are basically the same age.
Is there any way I can just be put into a coma until the day after election day?
I think we're all characters in Agile's coma dream.
I keep saying that I'm going unplug but haven't yet.
"Is there any way I can just be put into a coma until the day after election day?"
Except for here, the headline 'news' on my email, and the random article in the morning rag, I manage to miss most of the 'events'.
Since we're looking at two leading candidates who pretty well match in their 'awfullness', it's not like I have a dog in this fight; figure the Super Bowl with the Browns on both sides of the ball as an analogy.
I do keep an eye out for indications that the hag gets indicted and the Ds have to scramble like hell to come up with something that can be propped up in a vertical position for TV shows.
"Is there any way I can just be put into a coma until the day after election day?"
Sure. =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBoE7G56-s
I have some news for all of you. Every election is the ugliest in history, and every mutiny is the ugliest in history. If you all were baddass, lemon sucking pirates, instead of pansy cheese eaters you would know this.
"If you all were baddass, lemon sucking pirates, instead of pansy cheese eaters you would know this."
Uh, well, can you help us improve? Please?
http://thebestpageintheunivers.....fic_method
Chew beef Jerky, and spit the juices into the faces of Vegans.
JPyrate|3.20.16 @ 12:03AM|#
"Chew beef Jerky, and spit the juices into the faces of Vegans."
I am opposed to this.
Quite a few vegans believe they can live on the diet they choose. The cannot. Any human diet requires a certain amount of animal-derived protein. If you spit into the face of a vegan, they might derive the protein lacking from their preferred diet.
Better we smile, say 'of course!' and let them be buried.
There is a reason that those who live in the most northern of climes eat whale blubber deep fried in whale blubber.
Don't forget every election is the most expensive in history.
"Fuck 'em, Ethan. Duck this
Wtf squirrels.
"Fuck 'em, Ethan. Fuck this whooooole thing."
I wish I could drink dead people because their voices mince nothing
Drugs are spells melted into bars and lines strapping boots to trek on dreams echoing smart voices blending their coffins into our now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgpKzyjXvg
time bled from the pirate and dead men leak from jpyrate and they fall down from his face as he walks and the dead men bleed from jpyrate when he went to get some fucking coffee and as he bought this coffee dead men fell from his fucking face and all sorts of tons of dead men bleed from jpyrate and jpyrate went to work tomorrow and he enetred work and all the dead men just fucking slid all all over the goddamn floor and jpyrate became the dead men flood wherever he walked all sleds of dead men fucking spewed while their ghosts screamed HELL FUCKING HELL SHARK WOLVES AND SUPER FUCKING CARDS for no fucking reason whatsofeving ever and so the fucking shit rolled.
I am the floor that dead men slip, and fall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxefP-M-Bg
FUCK periods- finish is what we humans do best right? we wear suits doing it
We fuck and are un-ashamed. We kill and are unforgiven. We wear funny hats. =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
if the arms fall into stones
the chest swims to save the
brain and the legs clamber
onto the head under the horror
of the heart as the brain
jiggles on the cock cumming
pearls of what the goddamn
fuck just occurred to this spaceship
in the orbits of the earth and its
rock gerbils around the moon
I am the space captain of this ship.
I am a fucker of the souls.
if your can is made from the gold of cocaine
you will eat the bottles and nipples of
some neptunes, Py.
however, i question your ability to handle
a massive demon dog spewing lave from its asshole and nostrils and shit
becuase if you were really tripping right now this shit would be burning your goddamn shirt off lovely son
I AM A ROCKER!!!!!
I AM A ROLLER !!!!
! AM A DAMAGE CONTROLLER !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscfeQOMuGw
More OT:
Jordon ("American Warlords: How Roosevelt's High Command Led America to Victory in World War II") in the final pages admits that FDR kinda made a mistake. Kinda. Sorta.
In directing the largest military force in the largest war the world had (and has) seen, while negotiating with the allies (and in some cases, the enemies), and in the full knowledge that he was at death's door, that pathetic piece of shit never bothered to include his successor in ANY of the meetings he had. Not ONE.
It's not like the country needed anyone prepared to take that position, right? Why should that egomaniacal scum-bag offer any assistance to someone who is going to have to take over after his death? The typical excuse runs to 'well, people don't want to admit to mortality'. That's a great excuse for someone supposed to be among the BEST presidents, isn't it? He was old uncle Sam who didn't write a will; how..............pathetic.
On the evening of FDR's death, Eleanor responds to Truman's offer of help with "What can we do for you?"
Uh, include me in planning and negotiations? Act like adults? Quit hoping that tired piece of political waste is king? That sort of 'help'?
Cont'd:
Jordon is obviously "taken" with FDR, but he is the first supplicant to 'suggest' that the would-be emperor had faults; until now, most simply claim sainthood. Miscamble ("From Roosevelt to Truman: Potsdam, Hiroshima, and the Cold War") was the first one I read who suggested that maybe FDR (along with extending the depression) was also a bit less than the allies war leading hero.
Yes, if it's not obvious, I do not have a photo of FDR hanging above my bed.
suggests that your sevo reality is managed exquisite by those not interested the fuck least in sevo... life on pages and screen and lines is an architecture few realize is scripted down to the bits- vidal knew this and few know do. unless you are a koch and you fucking better platy this shit right, motherfuckers.
"suggests that your sevo reality is managed exquisite by those not interested the fuck least in sevo"
That is a possibility which is under constant review and I don't mind AC for the mention; none of us are immune from a supposed 'managed reality',
But we all are agents in making sure we are not victims of that circumstance or others.
Did I correctly respond to your comment?
Is there a correct way to respond to AC ? Maybe AC wants you to respond as you ?
Thomas Paine did not deserve to have his heads carved into the mountain. He was a filthy little Atheist, and an Anarchist. That honor belonged to the Roosevelt family.
FDR is also vastly overrated on the domestic front. He lengthened the Depression, folks.
If by lately you mean 1968 - well then - YES.
?
You really need to address a comment.
How about the title?
Would Clinton vs. Trump Be the Ugliest Campaign in History?
Angels in gore.
Anyone else voting for Prefident Jefferfon?
Is that a fnow job?
It'f fome kind of jobf program.
Clinton is in deep trouble. Trump may get 25% Black support.
http://classicalvalues.com/201.....-a-racist/
But the biggest news is Trump is earning MAJOR support from segments of the population which almost exclusively vote for Democrats. SurveyUSA announced that Donald Trump would receive 25% among black registered voters. That is news that has Hillary Clinton terrified, and is shaking the political establishment to the core!
Links at the link. Also some videos. And a link to a video.
Oh please. Clinton's strength is the black vote. Regardless of what they might say in the survey, the Democrat political machine decides how they vote.
There is a limit to how heavy the Thumb is on the scale before people notice. The generally accepted figure is 5%. It might go as high as 10%. A 15% Black vote for Trump would be uuuge. If Trump support in the Black community is 40% as some polls claim --- well, it could get interesting.
"The generally accepted figure is 5%. It might go as high as 10%. A 15% Black vote for Trump would be uuuge"
The GOP got 10% of the black vote in 2014
The haven't got more than 12% since 1996
There have been a lot of blacks openly questioning why the Dems continue to get black support. Obama was a disappointment. Trump anti-immigrant stuff does not put them off. I suspect the screeching about trumps "racism" is driven partly out of fear of black secession-voters.
*stocks up on popcorn*
That 25% # has been much disputed and isn't supported by any similar polling, which mostly shows him in the expected 5%-12% range that the GOP gets
The 40%+ number in your blog entry is referencing this thing
Which, if you look at the crosstabs, was a sample of 440 mostly-GOP voters.... 10 of whom were black.
At least they spoke and wrote eloquently.
Now it's all 'you smell like pipi and eat caca' and 'like, um, yeah, you're ugly and like rich you know?'
Well, sometimes things need to be said. Hillary told Bernie when he dared to mention her email fiasco, "You have something to say, then say it!" I suspect Donald Trump is going to "say it."