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Encryption

Obama and the Justice Dept. May Be Losing the P.R. Battle over Encryption, but Watch the Larger War

Nobody believes it's 'just one phone.'

Scott Shackford | 3.14.2016 12:25 PM

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The government fight to access your private digital data has another front brewing. The Department of Justice wants to be able to listen in on conversations on WhatsApp, an encrypted messaging and phone service owned by Facebook.

Everybody who knows anything about encryption has warned that it is not just about allowing government access to "a single iPhone" possessed by San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook. The Department of Justice and state-level prosecutors want to force Apple to help them access to dozens, even hundreds of encrypted phones.

In the WhatsApp case, terrorism is not involved. There is a criminal investigation, and a judge has approved a wiretap on somebody's WhatsApp account. The problem, according to The New York Times, is that the program is encrypted on both ends. The DOJ cannot access the content of WhatsApp conversations, even with a wiretap, and neither can Facebook. The path forward for the DOJ is currently unclear, but obviously if the FBI is successful in forcing Apple to help them break through an IPhone's security, we'll see a push here to force WhatsApp to violate its own security for the government's behalf.

It's much more clear, though, that the public relations fight by President Barack Obama and the DOJ is not going the way they hoped it would.  Obama may have shown up to take a stand against encryption at South by Southwest, but The New York Times noted over the weekend that the administration may have misjudged how the public would respond. Polls show a country heavily divided, almost equally split depending on how the question was asked. In some questions a plurality said Apple shouldn't help the feds unlock a phone. Perhaps Obama warning that encryption would result in everybody having "a Swiss bank account in their pocket" had the opposite effect. Who wouldn't want a Swiss bank account in his or her pocket?

In the policy publicity wars, one of the bigger "gets" would be a segment from John Oliver's Last Week Tonight. Oliver has managed to make a viral hit out of his HBO show by repackaging talking points as sarcastic, in-depth segments (not a criticism; the show does it remarkably well). Oliver's show weighed in Sunday night, and let's just say White House employees and attorneys at the DOJ will not be sharing the segment on social media:

For those who are following the encryption fight there's not much to learn from Oliver's segment (though I did not realize there were more than 800 different independent encryption programs), but that's not really the point. The segment isn't for people who are following closely. Oliver's power is in repackaging talking points in an engaging fashion that people who are not reading tech sites and magazines will sit through. And in this case, he clearly chose the talking points of the tech industry and privacy experts.

But will it matter in the end? This week we may see the proposed text of legislation in the works by the Senate Intelligence Committee to try to force tech companies to compromise their encryption to assist in law enforcement investigations. Even if Apple is successful in fighting back a judge's order to help the FBI break an iPhone's security, this proposed legislation could potentially be a significant threat to all our private data. For those who have doubts about the dangers of cooperation, remember that iCloud hack from 2014 where celebrities had their nude photos stolen and distributed online? The hackers used a software tool that had been designed only for police and government authorities to crack security on iPhones.

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  1. Hyperion   9 years ago

    Obama's doing it for the right reasons. If it were a Republican, then we should be worried. If Trump does it, he's worse than Hitler.

    /progtards

    1. T   9 years ago

      This one cuts across partisan lines. The "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd lives on both sides of the aisle.

      1. Episiarch   9 years ago

        The best part is that that crowd will find out soon enough that *everyone* has something to hide. There's a reason the government has an appalling number of "laws".

      2. Shirley Knott   9 years ago

        We have got to keep turning this one back on the government and its secrets. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. Conversely, if they are hiding things, they can only be things that are bad.

        1. kbolino   9 years ago

          No, no, no, you don't understand.

          Government "by the people, of the people, and for the people" means that it's perfectly acceptable for the government to keep whatever secrets it wants to while denying the people any right to keep their own secrets, as long as there was an election somewhere, sometime, for some reason.

        2. Hyperion   9 years ago

          Problem is, they've become so emboldened now that they don't even try to hide their corruption anymore.

        3. A Bloat of Rhywuns   9 years ago

          We have got to keep turning this one back on the government and its secrets.

          That's a good point - this will inevitably bite them on the ass and they're too stupid to even realize it.

      3. Hank Phillips   9 years ago

        I always thought those sides were ours and theirs. If so that would be their side fer shoor.

    2. jester   9 years ago

      We should all upload What's App call all of our friends and say 'Dirka Dirka Jihad' until they hang up. Libertarian Moment.

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      Trump is worse than Hitler.

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  2. MSimon   9 years ago

    The end of Trade Secrets. China thrilled.

  3. Episiarch   9 years ago

    The government should just couch it as a Net Neutrality issue, and then the NN mongoloids would all jump on board faster than you can say "Comcast sucks". It's a good thing the government is also populated by mongoloids, though.

    1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

      Trump will build a Great Wall to keep the mongoloids out.

      1. Episiarch   9 years ago

        Wait, Hugh, I'm confused. Trump wants to keep his own supporters out?

        1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

          Trump wants to keep his own supporters out?

          He may want support, but he doesn't necessarily want them loitering in the lobby of Trump Tower.

          1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

            Or worse yet, squatting on land that could someday become a Trump Tower.

            1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

              He has something to say about that.

              1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

                He can't even spell my name right. Must be difficult to type with those tiny little fingers.

                1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                  Now you've done it.

            2. Hyperion   9 years ago

              The Donald is pissed at Hugh Akton!

              1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                I wonder what handle Donald Trump posts in Hit 'n Run under?

                1. Hyperion   9 years ago

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              2. Citizen X   9 years ago

                Hugh Akton is bad. BAD.

                1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                  Trump is venting his spleen about other regulars now.

                  He's really on a rampage. Was there an immigration thread today?

        2. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

          No. Mongoloids have no support for Trump, builder of walls. Mongoloids live to see the destruction of walls, not their creation!!

          1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

            Goddamn Mongorians!

        3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          Wait, Hugh, I'm confused. Trump wants to keep his own supporters out?

          No, Episiarch, he wants to keep them in.

      2. T   9 years ago

        But he's already here. Will he self-deport?

      3. Hank Phillips   9 years ago

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    2. Idle Hands   9 years ago

      and then the NN mongoloids would all jump on board faster than you can say "Comcast sucks". It's a good thing the government is also populated by mongoloids, though.

      Dude the preferred vernacular is "window lickers".

      1. Episiarch   9 years ago

        Dude, that's retarded.

      2. Citizen X   9 years ago

        Window licker?

    3. jester   9 years ago

      I would say, 'Don't give them any ideas.', except they're only trolling this site for threats against Federal Judges like 'a cold day in hell.' Carry on.

  4. Pl?ya Manhattan.   9 years ago

    Has Obama's Justice Department done anything right? Anything at all?

    1. kbolino   9 years ago

      They may, possibly, someday, prosecute Hillary Clinton. Maybe.

      ... my money is on Comey getting fired before that happens, and I don't think the DOJ will actually prosecute even if the FBI makes an issue of it.

      But there was also that one time Obama pardoned a bunch of people. Late in his second term. Without doing anything to improve the conditions that put them there.

    2. MSimon   9 years ago

      Just wait until Chris Christie gets in as AG. You will pine for the "good old days".

      1. sarcasmic   9 years ago

        That is a scary thought.

        1. WTF   9 years ago

          What do you think Trump promised him for his endorsement?

          1. sarcasmic   9 years ago

            A sammich?

          2. sarcasmic   9 years ago

            Not just any sammich, but a UUUUGE sammich.

      2. Mrs. Premise   9 years ago

        Did you know that Christie was the US Attorney for NJ on 9/11? I heard him say that once. Once before every response during every debate.

  5. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    "Shut your pompous vortex of overlapping fangs!"

    1. Bill Door   9 years ago

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  6. esteve7   9 years ago

    I've been in IT for over 8 years. If you think "it's just one phone", or if you think any sort of backdoor encryption is a good idea, then you are more dangerous than all of Trump's supporters combined.

    You clearly don't understand how technology works, and you need to GTFO

    1. Hyperion   9 years ago

      8 years? GTFO out snapper, get off my lawn!

    2. Rational Exuberance   9 years ago

      If you think "it's just one phone"

      No, it "is" clearly all of Apple's phones, and they are insecure whether or not Apple cooperates with the FBI.

  7. jester   9 years ago

    When that slag, Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS, I'll just cope like I have with the last, and hope for the Libertarian Moment.

    1. WTF   9 years ago

      You will also cope with a court full of Elena Kagans.

      1. Hyperion   9 years ago

        All behold the horror of the Janelena Napolikagan horde!

    2. Hank Phillips   9 years ago

      Make every moment a libertarian moment and you'll never regret it. I don't care who the looters elect, so long as we get to write the laws.

  8. Rich   9 years ago

    remember that iCloud hack from 2014 where celebrities had their nude photos stolen and distributed online? The hackers used a software tool that had been designed only for police and government authorities

    Just a doggone minute, there, Scott. Are you implying that the hackers were police or government authorities?

  9. Rich   9 years ago

    Perhaps Obama warning that encryption would result in everybody having "a Swiss bank account in their pocket" had the opposite effect.

    "Is that a Swiss bank account in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

    1. Millennial Hipster Vanguard   9 years ago

      Only a thief would hate someone being able to hide their money. Wait a minute...

  10. Rich   9 years ago

    Just one wafer-thin iPhone ....

  11. Rich   9 years ago

    OT: College students demand safe spaces from border patrol agents

    I understand the concept of "safe space" even less than that of "time out".

    1. kbolino   9 years ago

      I thought "the government is us"? Why do they want to escape from such a noble institution?

    2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      Good for them.

      Now protest against other agencies of the Federal government.

  12. Rasilio   9 years ago

    They may be losing the PR battle in the sense that most of the media coverage of the issue is on Apple's side, they however do not seem to be losing the actual battle for public opinion as a significant plurality of Americans if not an outright majority that is quite bipartisan in political outlook believes that the government absolutely must have this ability to keep us all safe (the only thing that changes is whether they want to keep us safe from Muslim terrorists or evil capitalists and online trolls who hurt peoples feelings)

    1. Rich   9 years ago

      the government absolutely must have this ability to keep us all safe

      But enough about the OPM hack.

  13. brokencycle   9 years ago

    The fact that John Oliver is on the side of encryption makes me reconsider my position. Maybe he can convince me with another "IT IS CURRENT YEAR" argument.

  14. Francisco d'Anconia   9 years ago

    Polls show a country heavily divided, almost equally split

    How sad.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      51%

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      Whoops, sorry, I meant +1 simple majority.

  15. esteve7   9 years ago

    ComputerPhile did a good video on this --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNKtwAGvqc

    Basically they know most people are stupid, because they've been trying to break encryption for years, and are only using the SB shooter as the PR push. It's nothing more than a ploy.

    I think most people are just functionally retarded. If you frame this as fighting terrorism, 40% of the people will jump on board for it, and if you frame it for net neutrality, 40% more will jump on it.

    Principals, not principles.

    1. Hyperion   9 years ago

      Fighting the terrorists for net neutrality and the children! Passes congress on unanimous vote.

  16. mad.casual   9 years ago

    The question we have to ask is if technologically it is possible to make an impenetrable device or system where the encryption is so strong there's no key, there's no door, at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer? How do we solve or disrupt a terrorist plot?

    More importantly, how are we gonna save John Searle?

    1. kbolino   9 years ago

      how do we apprehend the child pornographer

      How do you even know he/she is a child pornographer in the first place?

  17. Enjoy Every Sandwich   9 years ago

    If the feds get what they want--a backdoor into all private encryption--then one natural consequence is that some people will change their behavior and limit what personal data they store on devices. If this becomes widespread enough, I wonder if the feds will strike back with laws requiring everybody to put their personal data onto something the feds can hack? Rather like being obliged to carry a "driver's license" just to walk around.

    1. A Bloat of Rhywuns   9 years ago

      It will also be the end of telecommuting and "on call" hours. So there's that.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      The feds will never get a backdoor into all private encryption, even if they legislate it.

      I believe this case sets up a precedent that any company that builds a security wall, whether that's a combination of encryption or other methods (called "security in-depth") that the company must help defeat said methods to allow government intrusion. The idea that all mathematical encryption formulas have a master key is undoable and unenforceable for the general public.

      1. Enjoy Every Sandwich   9 years ago

        I agree; I meant in a legal sense whereby it would be illegal to have your phone encrypted with something unbreakable. Most people would probably not get caught unless they ended up interacting with Johnny Law.

      2. Hank Phillips   9 years ago

        Why not? They banned beer on the night of January Sixteenth, 1920, and it went away, right?

  18. Ron   9 years ago

    I can see it now a blackmarket for personalized encryption programs where the programer is unknown so the the FBI can't get to it and everyones encryption will be personalized. it is just going to get harder for the FBI to get info. It is probably happening now anyway by terrorist and cartels and foreign agents etc.

  19. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    FWIW, I read an interesting article this weekend about how the indy hackers in their basement are abandoning hacking iPhones because the security has become too tight. I have little doubt that this case is a mere coincidence.

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    I am puzzled abt one thing. I was raised to believe that "going dark" was the initiation of force. Now I'm told it's cloaking a phone. Were Yoda and Obi Wan misguiding me?

  23. AD-RtR/OS!   9 years ago

    Perhaps if they hadn't lied to us about virtually everything for the last 8-9 years (going back to everything he said in the campaign), they might have some level of capital left in the truth bank.

    Said over at Instapundit:
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