Obama and the Justice Dept. May Be Losing the P.R. Battle over Encryption, but Watch the Larger War
Nobody believes it's 'just one phone.'


The government fight to access your private digital data has another front brewing. The Department of Justice wants to be able to listen in on conversations on WhatsApp, an encrypted messaging and phone service owned by Facebook.
Everybody who knows anything about encryption has warned that it is not just about allowing government access to "a single iPhone" possessed by San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook. The Department of Justice and state-level prosecutors want to force Apple to help them access to dozens, even hundreds of encrypted phones.
In the WhatsApp case, terrorism is not involved. There is a criminal investigation, and a judge has approved a wiretap on somebody's WhatsApp account. The problem, according to The New York Times, is that the program is encrypted on both ends. The DOJ cannot access the content of WhatsApp conversations, even with a wiretap, and neither can Facebook. The path forward for the DOJ is currently unclear, but obviously if the FBI is successful in forcing Apple to help them break through an IPhone's security, we'll see a push here to force WhatsApp to violate its own security for the government's behalf.
It's much more clear, though, that the public relations fight by President Barack Obama and the DOJ is not going the way they hoped it would. Obama may have shown up to take a stand against encryption at South by Southwest, but The New York Times noted over the weekend that the administration may have misjudged how the public would respond. Polls show a country heavily divided, almost equally split depending on how the question was asked. In some questions a plurality said Apple shouldn't help the feds unlock a phone. Perhaps Obama warning that encryption would result in everybody having "a Swiss bank account in their pocket" had the opposite effect. Who wouldn't want a Swiss bank account in his or her pocket?
In the policy publicity wars, one of the bigger "gets" would be a segment from John Oliver's Last Week Tonight. Oliver has managed to make a viral hit out of his HBO show by repackaging talking points as sarcastic, in-depth segments (not a criticism; the show does it remarkably well). Oliver's show weighed in Sunday night, and let's just say White House employees and attorneys at the DOJ will not be sharing the segment on social media:
For those who are following the encryption fight there's not much to learn from Oliver's segment (though I did not realize there were more than 800 different independent encryption programs), but that's not really the point. The segment isn't for people who are following closely. Oliver's power is in repackaging talking points in an engaging fashion that people who are not reading tech sites and magazines will sit through. And in this case, he clearly chose the talking points of the tech industry and privacy experts.
But will it matter in the end? This week we may see the proposed text of legislation in the works by the Senate Intelligence Committee to try to force tech companies to compromise their encryption to assist in law enforcement investigations. Even if Apple is successful in fighting back a judge's order to help the FBI break an iPhone's security, this proposed legislation could potentially be a significant threat to all our private data. For those who have doubts about the dangers of cooperation, remember that iCloud hack from 2014 where celebrities had their nude photos stolen and distributed online? The hackers used a software tool that had been designed only for police and government authorities to crack security on iPhones.
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Obama's doing it for the right reasons. If it were a Republican, then we should be worried. If Trump does it, he's worse than Hitler.
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This one cuts across partisan lines. The "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd lives on both sides of the aisle.
The best part is that that crowd will find out soon enough that *everyone* has something to hide. There's a reason the government has an appalling number of "laws".
We have got to keep turning this one back on the government and its secrets. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. Conversely, if they are hiding things, they can only be things that are bad.
No, no, no, you don't understand.
Government "by the people, of the people, and for the people" means that it's perfectly acceptable for the government to keep whatever secrets it wants to while denying the people any right to keep their own secrets, as long as there was an election somewhere, sometime, for some reason.
Problem is, they've become so emboldened now that they don't even try to hide their corruption anymore.
That's a good point - this will inevitably bite them on the ass and they're too stupid to even realize it.
I always thought those sides were ours and theirs. If so that would be their side fer shoor.
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Trump is worse than Hitler.
All the same notions, half the intelligence.
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The government should just couch it as a Net Neutrality issue, and then the NN mongoloids would all jump on board faster than you can say "Comcast sucks". It's a good thing the government is also populated by mongoloids, though.
Trump will build a Great Wall to keep the mongoloids out.
Wait, Hugh, I'm confused. Trump wants to keep his own supporters out?
He may want support, but he doesn't necessarily want them loitering in the lobby of Trump Tower.
Or worse yet, squatting on land that could someday become a Trump Tower.
He has something to say about that.
He can't even spell my name right. Must be difficult to type with those tiny little fingers.
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Trump is venting his spleen about other regulars now.
He's really on a rampage. Was there an immigration thread today?
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Wait, Hugh, I'm confused. Trump wants to keep his own supporters out?
No, Episiarch, he wants to keep them in.
But he's already here. Will he self-deport?
Not funny. Mosquitoes now transmit a virus causing women to bear pinheads. But abortion is still banned in most of the infested areas.
Dude the preferred vernacular is "window lickers".
Dude, that's retarded.
Window licker?
I would say, 'Don't give them any ideas.', except they're only trolling this site for threats against Federal Judges like 'a cold day in hell.' Carry on.
Has Obama's Justice Department done anything right? Anything at all?
They may, possibly, someday, prosecute Hillary Clinton. Maybe.
... my money is on Comey getting fired before that happens, and I don't think the DOJ will actually prosecute even if the FBI makes an issue of it.
But there was also that one time Obama pardoned a bunch of people. Late in his second term. Without doing anything to improve the conditions that put them there.
Just wait until Chris Christie gets in as AG. You will pine for the "good old days".
That is a scary thought.
What do you think Trump promised him for his endorsement?
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Did you know that Christie was the US Attorney for NJ on 9/11? I heard him say that once. Once before every response during every debate.
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I've been in IT for over 8 years. If you think "it's just one phone", or if you think any sort of backdoor encryption is a good idea, then you are more dangerous than all of Trump's supporters combined.
You clearly don't understand how technology works, and you need to GTFO
8 years? GTFO out snapper, get off my lawn!
No, it "is" clearly all of Apple's phones, and they are insecure whether or not Apple cooperates with the FBI.
When that slag, Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS, I'll just cope like I have with the last, and hope for the Libertarian Moment.
You will also cope with a court full of Elena Kagans.
All behold the horror of the Janelena Napolikagan horde!
Make every moment a libertarian moment and you'll never regret it. I don't care who the looters elect, so long as we get to write the laws.
remember that iCloud hack from 2014 where celebrities had their nude photos stolen and distributed online? The hackers used a software tool that had been designed only for police and government authorities
Just a doggone minute, there, Scott. Are you implying that the hackers were police or government authorities?
Perhaps Obama warning that encryption would result in everybody having "a Swiss bank account in their pocket" had the opposite effect.
"Is that a Swiss bank account in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"
Only a thief would hate someone being able to hide their money. Wait a minute...
Just one wafer-thin iPhone ....
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I thought "the government is us"? Why do they want to escape from such a noble institution?
Good for them.
Now protest against other agencies of the Federal government.
They may be losing the PR battle in the sense that most of the media coverage of the issue is on Apple's side, they however do not seem to be losing the actual battle for public opinion as a significant plurality of Americans if not an outright majority that is quite bipartisan in political outlook believes that the government absolutely must have this ability to keep us all safe (the only thing that changes is whether they want to keep us safe from Muslim terrorists or evil capitalists and online trolls who hurt peoples feelings)
the government absolutely must have this ability to keep us all safe
But enough about the OPM hack.
The fact that John Oliver is on the side of encryption makes me reconsider my position. Maybe he can convince me with another "IT IS CURRENT YEAR" argument.
How sad.
51%
Whoops, sorry, I meant +1 simple majority.
ComputerPhile did a good video on this --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNKtwAGvqc
Basically they know most people are stupid, because they've been trying to break encryption for years, and are only using the SB shooter as the PR push. It's nothing more than a ploy.
I think most people are just functionally retarded. If you frame this as fighting terrorism, 40% of the people will jump on board for it, and if you frame it for net neutrality, 40% more will jump on it.
Principals, not principles.
Fighting the terrorists for net neutrality and the children! Passes congress on unanimous vote.
More importantly, how are we gonna save John Searle?
how do we apprehend the child pornographer
How do you even know he/she is a child pornographer in the first place?
If the feds get what they want--a backdoor into all private encryption--then one natural consequence is that some people will change their behavior and limit what personal data they store on devices. If this becomes widespread enough, I wonder if the feds will strike back with laws requiring everybody to put their personal data onto something the feds can hack? Rather like being obliged to carry a "driver's license" just to walk around.
It will also be the end of telecommuting and "on call" hours. So there's that.
The feds will never get a backdoor into all private encryption, even if they legislate it.
I believe this case sets up a precedent that any company that builds a security wall, whether that's a combination of encryption or other methods (called "security in-depth") that the company must help defeat said methods to allow government intrusion. The idea that all mathematical encryption formulas have a master key is undoable and unenforceable for the general public.
I agree; I meant in a legal sense whereby it would be illegal to have your phone encrypted with something unbreakable. Most people would probably not get caught unless they ended up interacting with Johnny Law.
Why not? They banned beer on the night of January Sixteenth, 1920, and it went away, right?
I can see it now a blackmarket for personalized encryption programs where the programer is unknown so the the FBI can't get to it and everyones encryption will be personalized. it is just going to get harder for the FBI to get info. It is probably happening now anyway by terrorist and cartels and foreign agents etc.
FWIW, I read an interesting article this weekend about how the indy hackers in their basement are abandoning hacking iPhones because the security has become too tight. I have little doubt that this case is a mere coincidence.
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I am puzzled abt one thing. I was raised to believe that "going dark" was the initiation of force. Now I'm told it's cloaking a phone. Were Yoda and Obi Wan misguiding me?
Perhaps if they hadn't lied to us about virtually everything for the last 8-9 years (going back to everything he said in the campaign), they might have some level of capital left in the truth bank.
Said over at Instapundit:
"Our ruling class want you to have no secrets from them. Meanwhile, they want to tell you as little as possible."
- Insty
In a Republic where the individual is Sovereign, the rule should be just the opposite.
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Dump a raw copy of the non-volatile RAM from the phone then take a large number of iPhones of the identical model and modify them to have memory that can be reloaded with copies of the raw dump. Then automate the password entry and reloading process.
Another way to brute force it would be with an iPhone emulator. A huge number of copies of the emulator could be run to brute force the password, especially if the software was written to run on parallel GPUs.
A few years ago a multi GPU system was built that could brute force any 12 character password in five minutes or less.
If the government wants to get a little creative with technology they could have that phone's content decrypted in a few hours, after building the hardware and software to do the job.
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