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Michael Moore Points Out Futility of Flint Voting Democrat For Almost A Century

On the eve of the Democratic debate in town.

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Michael Moore took to Twitter to call out Democrats holding a debate in Flint, Michigan tonight. The event wasn't one of the Original Six debates (most of which were held on weekend dates). Last month, Hillary Clinton, who spent much of 2015 as the presumptive nominee, and Bernie Sanders, the last man standing after the Iowa caucus, agreed to four more debates, including tonight's in Flint.

Flint was chosen in large part because of the media attention surrounding the water crisis (briefly: government providing residents with dirty water and then trying to cover it up), a transparently politically opportunistic move.

Michael Moore pointed out on Twitter that Flint voters' longstanding support for Democrats hasn't yielded them much:

 But now they have a Democratic debate, ahead of the Tuesday primary in Michigan.

And there are plenty of Republicans to blame for the Flint water crisis, and certainly enough for Democratic leaders in Flint and at the state capitol to shift their own responsibility onto. So don't expect anyone to pay a political price for the Flint water crisis, let alone one that might discourage such government malfeasance in the future.

The fealty Democrats have cultivated among their base with the use of identity politics and rhetoric has trapped that base with political leadership that doesn't have to be particularly responsive to people's actual preferences or desires.

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  1. Flint’s fucked-up water supply is actually REALLY to be blamed on LIBERTARIANS and the KKKoch Brothers, evil bastahds that they are!!!!

    1. I’m surprised reason doesn’t blame Trump….also, why wasn’t Trump mentioned once in this article….a bit scary that he isn’t.

      1. I take their silence about Trump here to be an explicit endorsement of him for President.

  2. Democracy is counterproductive. Pointless, at best.

  3. Michael Moore makes sense? It is truly the end times. [ opens beer]

    1. Truly it is. Michael Moore made sense and Sheldon Richman wrote a good column today.

      I expect the earth to crack open any minute.

      1. You are living in alt. universe. You will not be returned to your regularly scheduled programming.

      2. A dog and a cat are shacking up in the house across the street from me.

        1. Mass hysteria!

      3. I am currently sprinkling Calcium Chloride over a frozen Hell. You are welcome. =D

  4. Broken clocks and all that…

    1. In this case broken crocks…

  5. This entire concept is remarkable.

    Holding a debate at the site of one of your greatest failures. This must be the 5D Chess I’ve been hearing about.

    1. “Why does Mrs. Clinton want to hold a debate in the Lincoln bedroom?”

      1. Claw clap

        1. Gross.

      2. She’s a master debater?

  6. Michael Moore definitely has cankles.

    1. But is he Hitler?

      1. Hitler was a Nancy-boy.

        1. Possibly Nancy was a Hitler-boy.

      2. Wait, Hitler had cankles?!

        1. There’s a lot of Hitlers out there.

          1. We are all Hitlers now.

            1. #IchBinAdolf

              1. #JeSuisAdolpheLegalit

  7. Seems like the Republican’s biggest failure in this was to appoint a Democrat in charge.

    1. And that, apparently, is enough to make it all entirely the fault of Republicans and give a complete pass to every single Democrat who was involved in it in any way whatsoever.

  8. So basically it’ll be a contest to see which candidate can better blame the Republicans for the Flint debacle. Bonus points for dragging in the Kochs and privatization/evil corporate profits.

    1. Yeah, too bad the problem was caused by a government-sponsored jobs program rather than any sort of privatization.

      It’s a bit like the “white Hispanic” story from a few years ago — it’s hilarious just how far they have to stretch the basic facts to make the story fit their desired narrative.

  9. I haven’t looked into this. It just proves that you can’t have one single Republican in the city or it all goes to shit. We need common sense Republican controls.

    1. Look at California – they’ve had a Democratic supermajority at pretty much all levels of government for decades and somehow those damn Republicans keep fucking shit up.

      1. More like years, not decades.

      2. Want to review what the CA deficit is now (oh wait, it’s a surplus) and what we had under the Governator?

        1. Maybe they’ll even use it to pay off some debt!

        2. It’s amazing the lies that can be told with creative accounting, isn’t it.

    2. The powers that be haven’t been strict enough about it. Just you wait.

    3. I’d say that we need occupational licensing for politicians if only the very idea of licensing weren’t so fraught with error.

      After all, the regulation enthusiasts would find it unthinkable to let just anyone open up a medical practice and operate on people because their incompetence could get people killed… Yet, they don’t bat an eye at letting just anyone run our lives for us and potentially kill thousands of people, or sentence many more of them to a dismal standard of living through failed central planning bullshit.

  10. And there are plenty of Republicans to blame for the Flint water crisis, and certainly enough for Democratic leaders in Flint and at the state capitol to shift their own responsibility onto.

    I haven’t followed this enough to know for certain, but it seems to me that one person should have been responsible for the water supply and that is the person who is at fault. That is generally how these things work. Why are we accepting all the buck-passing?

    1. The culprit almost assuredly has cankles.

      1. And an affinity for elephants.

        1. Elephantiasis?

      2. And an affinity for elephants.

        1. And sqlrs?

      3. Probably from water retention

    2. I think there was a coverup at multiple levels after the fact.

  11. All those damn Republicans are running Venezuela right into the ground!

    1. He’s inbox now.

      1. *clicks ‘delete’ on straffinrun*

    2. Doffs hat

      1. This guy improved all our lives infinitely more than Nancy Reagan ever did.

        1. Or any politician or bureaucrat.

        2. If improved our lives you mean gave us access to penis enlargement pills then I agree.

          1. Not to mention that Nigerian prince that I helped out the other day by wiring him some much needed funds.

    3. The inventor of the .pst file however has eluded assassins for over a decade now.

      1. Well the files themselves haven’t.

    4. Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: That dude is dead.

    5. The inventor of spam smothered him, didn’t he?

    6. Please no flowers, just send money to a friend of the Nigerian Oil Minster who desperately needs it.

  12. The fealty Republicans have cultivated among their base with the use of identity politics and rhetoric has trapped that base with political leadership that doesn’t have to be particularly responsive to people’s actual preferences or desires.

    It looks like the Republicans are in the process of Trumping that.

  13. This debate is giving me cancer

    1. Smoke!

    2. Smoke 16 bowls of chronic and call me in the morning. If you have any remaining.

      1. And…. The cancer just got worse

        1. Cures are dose related. And the oil is better than smoking.

  14. Yeah, he thinks they should vote communist.

  15. So, what are his ideas about how to fix/prevent the problem? My guess would be he’d want tighter regulations, higher funding, and even more strict government control. Don’t praise the guy too much for his statement.

    1. He’s a fan of Cuba so…

    2. Yeah, like an hour later he’s calling for the governor’s arrest just like Hill-Bern at this debate. It was purely a one-off moment of clarity. He’s back to his old self again.

      1. Did hillary and bern do so?

  16. Flint voters. Kinda like Trump voters. Only for 9-10 decades straight.

  17. Hey everybody! Bernie won Maine and Marco won Puerto Rico.

    1. 23 delegates for PR? That’s four more than Hawaii.

      1. Oh snap

        1. And they’re not even real Americans! And they proved it tonight by not voting for Trump, which means they don’t want America to be great again!

          1. Who? What? People from Maine?

    2. “Hey everybody! Bernie won Maine”

      Not sure if Bernie won southern Maine because of Portsmouth N.H. or Bernie won northern Maine because southern Maine pays for all of northern Maines welfare.

      1. Narrows Gaze……

  18. Detroit is so awesome though.

    1. I flew out of there a couple of years ago. It looks like the suburbs are turning into prairie.

  19. It’s amazing how Flint has turned into a situation where Democrats have no culpability and it’s purely the fault of Republicans and their evil free market ideology. If one Republican was possibly at fault to some extent, apparently that absolves all the Democrats and government agencies who contributed to it. And it’s all the fault of nonexistent privatization (I’ve seriously seen that argument made multiple times – even though Flint wasn’t and isn’t privatizing their water supply).

    1. They tried to reduce costs! That is literally the same thing as turning their water system over to Goldman Sachs!

      1. OK, not to defend Hillary’s buddies, but if they had simply turned over their water system to Goldman Sachs, things would have been different. Not only would it not have been poisoned, it would have been not water but a decent vintage of pinot grigio flowing out of every tap.

  20. If I elected I will build a wall around Detroit and make Kid Rock Pay for it.

    1. Meh. Hillary will eliminate lead from *everything*. EVERYTHING!

      1. With no tax increases!

        1. Vermin Supreme “You misunderstood me. I will not raise taxes. The Ponies are FREE !!!”

      2. Hillary will eliminate lead from *everything*. EVERYTHING!

        Does this include eliminating the lead from guys’ pencils? (Yes, meaning an E.D. pandemic.) I guess there’s nothing like a severe case of cankles and total inside/outside ugliness to quench desire.

  21. Did they really call for the governors arrest at the debate?

    1. I believe they said they would wait for the justice system to work.

      1. I guess i dont understand why they think the justice system will charge snyder for what.

        Yet they never call out the dems. Despicable

  22. doesn’t have to be particularly responsive to people’s actual preferences or desires

    Which is the whole point. It’s not like they took the reins so they can do what YOU want, suckers.

  23. The big question I would like asked at the debate is how the hell is the Flint, Michigan water supply a federal problem. If I could ask a follow-up question: My nose itches, is the federal government going to do something about that or is there some teeny-tiny chance that there’s at least one freaking problem in the entire freaking universe that you won’t make a freaking federal issue of?

    1. “An itch-free nose is a basic human right, especially in the wealthiest country in history!”

      1. Indeed.

        I think that was one of FDR’s “four freedoms” that liberals continue to swoon over to this day.

    2. Everything is a federal problem at a Democratic debate.

    3. “or is there some teeny-tiny chance that there’s at least one freaking problem in the entire freaking universe that you won’t make a freaking federal issue of?”

      Pinging Barry Bonds!

    4. Commerce clause, of course. See, now that the residents have to buy water filters, trade between States is affected because Walmart operates nationwide.

    5. Barak Obama’s EPA knew about the problem and did nothing.

      1. They were too busy polluting a river elsewhere to be bothered with it.

    6. The EPA discouraged adding phosphates to the water.

  24. Guys,

    I have a thought experiment for you that is related to Michael Moore and his movie, which I only got around to watching last night. Here it is: in capitalist utopia I pay 20k in taxes. I also pay 15k to my 401k, 10k towards daycare, 5k for my HSA, 15k to a 429 account, and 2k for admission to national parks, user fees, license fees, etc. In contrast, in socialist hellhole I pay 35k for taxes, which covers my daycare, my retirement, and the kids’ future education.

    Question: how long do I have to wait in capitalist utopia to accumulate enough savings so that I can tell Black people to piss off and stop collecting Welfare?

    1. Go fuck yourself. You don’t get to use people who look like me for you to score points in an Internet argument, you piece of shit.

      1. Go fuck yourself.

        I hope you have a youtube link for him.

        1. It hasn’t earned the right.

          1. HM I got your back, Though I am not as good as in my YouTube links as you.

      2. universal health care and taxpayer financed education is racist?

        1. What do you make 6 figures? Why should i have to pay for you to be a bum when you make more than i do?

          1. “What do you make 6 figures?”

            Probably lies, if his posts here are any indication.

            1. Must have been a UUUUGGGEEE mortgage for him to welch on it, him making so much cake and all…….

            2. The “six figures” he makes are all on the right side of the decimal point.

        2. No, but you are.

        3. american socialist|3.6.16 @ 9:49PM|#
          “universal health care and taxpayer financed education is racist?”

          Shitbag commie is too stupid to read? Hopes we won’t notice the misdirection? Is just a fucking racist and now hopes to deny it?
          Fuck off, slaver.

        4. Don’t act like you just didn’t use an entire racial group as a prop in your self-righteous Internet passion play.

          1. I think real racism is putting millions of non-violent drug offenders in jail– most of whom are African American– and then disenfranchising them by taking away their right to vote. Stupidity is a Black man who makes common political cause with the people who implemented those laws. Also stupid are poor White people voting for right-wing politicians because they think Black people taking Welfare are responsible for the taxes they pay.

            1. Walk it back, shitbag; we’re happy to watch you caught bullshitting one more time.
              And fuck off, slaver.

            2. Stupidity is a Black man who makes common political cause with the people who implemented those laws.

              Market anarchists implemented drug laws?

              1. Why do you think khat is illegal in Somalia?

            3. Stupidity is a Black man who makes common political cause with the people who implemented those laws.

              So you *won’t* be voting Democrat this year then?

              1. That’s exactly what I was thinking. I wonder of American Fucktard intended that meaning.

        5. No. You’re a fucking racist for automatically assuming black people need welfare.

          Seriously, go fuck yourself.

        6. Given its quality around the world – Cuba, the UK, Soviet Union, etc – the guys running it hate *everybody*.

    2. Somebody woke up all grumpy and racist.

    3. Which place might this be?

    4. american socialist|3.6.16 @ 9:35PM|#
      “Question: how long do I have to wait in capitalist utopia to accumulate enough savings so that I can tell Black people to piss off and stop collecting Welfare?”

      As a racist asshole, you are welcome to do so right now.
      Oh, and fuck off, slaver.

      1. Fucking hilarious that he thinks welfare = Black people.

        As a White person raised on welfare until my mom could get the hell off it as soon as she could, I think he’s mistaken.

        1. You don’t think that many right-wingers vote the way they do because they perceive that Black people get lots of money from the government in the form of Welfare? Let’s go to the next Tea Party meeting and find out.

          1. oh you’re such a disingenuous sack of crap. you definitely equated welfare with black people and now you’re blaming it on some strawman version of a “right winger”. i swear to god proggies never take responsibility.

          2. american socialist|3.6.16 @ 10:25PM|#
            “You don’t think that many right-wingers vote the way they do because they perceive that Black people get lots of money from the government in the form of Welfare?”
            Oh! Oh! Look! Commie shitbag has figgered out voting motivations. I’m sure it was from picking his nose and reading theboogers, since that’s pretty much the limit of shitbag’s research

            “Let’s go to the next Tea Party meeting and find out.”
            Yeah, ‘let’s’ do that. And I’ll expect a decent sample where N=something higher than your shoe size/IQ, and questions written such that they don’t favor the trailer-trash bigot that you are.

          3. Tea Partiers are not right wing.

            It would help if you paid attention and learned something about the groups you mock.

            The Tea Party is a) irrelevant now – its just a boogeyman guys like you like to throw around, b) was always about reduction in the size of government, not ‘taking’ welfare away from people. There’s plenty to cut before you touch the welfare payouts.

            But hey, the press found some people who also held ideas like racism – so therefore that gives you the opening to call everyone a racist.

            You know what that makes you? Racist.

    5. Why dont you move?

      1. Ya know, socialized medicine has the advantage of the life-long friendships you form while standing in those lines.

        1. What does this have to do with anything?

        2. Yes, it certainly does.
          Do you read your own links or hope we’re impressed that you’ve learned to post them?
          Fuck off, slaver.

          1. Capitalist utopia is ranked 34– approaching communist hellhole, Cuba, which is ranked 38. I conclude wikipedia is probably run by Stalinist assholes.

            1. Capitalist utopia is ranked 34

              But number 34 is the United States, which isn’t even in the top 10 most economically free countries. You might want to update your talking points every 25-40 years to reflect current conditions.

            2. I’m gonna outlive you suckers by four years.

              /White Goodman snicker.

        3. I’m sure the Jews are feeling the Bern.

          1. american sociopath is already letting his racism flag fly; I’m sure he’ll launch into antisemitism next. After that, let’s see if he’ll say something sexist about women and go for the Fedora Trifecta.

            1. TRILBY!

              Not a fedora. None of those fuckers wear a fedora.

        4. Let’s see – I’m seeing a whole bunch of socialist and quasi-socialist countries in the bottom half of that list.

          1. Then I’ll point out that the *top* of the list the average life expectancy is 84.

            At the US’ position its 79.

            That’s a hell of a lot of money to pay for an extra 4-5 years.

            1. Oh, and if you take Japan out of the picture you get – di you know that Japan only pays for 70% of *routine* (screening examinations, prenatal care and infectious disease control) and the citizen has to pick up the rest.

              And that it has a government run ‘universal’ Insurance system with high costs?

              Spain 83 86 80
              USA 79 81 76

      2. Everyone, let’s take a moment and admire the combination of breathtakingly deep arrogance and abject stupidity that exists within amsoc.

        He posted a link to a table of countries ranked by life expectancy in an attempt at some thought-terminating cliche to support the superiority of socialism. Let’s look at the ruling parties of the top countries and the bottom countries.

        Top Countries
        Japan: Liberal Democratic Party – a center-right party
        Spain: People’s Party – a conservative “Christian democrat” party
        Andorra: Democrats for Andorra – center-right
        Singapore: People’s Action Party – a free-market/social conservatism
        Switzerland: Swiss People’s Party – right-wing populism
        Australia: Coalition – free market/social conservatism
        Italy: Democratic Party – social democracy
        San Marino: Sammarinese Christian Democratic Party – centrism

        Bottom Countries:
        Angola: People’s Movement for the Liberation of Angola – social deomcracy
        Zambia: Patriotic Front – democratic socialism
        Lesotho: Democratic Congress pan-Africanist socialism
        Mozambique: Mozambique Liberation Front – democratic socialism
        Sierra Leone: All People’s Congress – democratic socialism
        Liberia: Unity Party – free market centrism
        Djibouti: People’s Rally for Progress – democratic socialism
        Malawi: Democratic Progressive Party – big tent centrism

        Of the top countries, only 1, Italy, was ruled by a social democratic party. Of the bottom countries, only 1, Liberia, was ruled by a free-market party.

        1. AMSOC you have been schooled.

          Feel the burn.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaHEusBG20c

          1. He should have known that I can be the rhetorical equivalent of Fleece Johnson when pushed.

            He could have done it the easy way, but he chose the hard.

        2. Bear in mind the retarded cunt thinks Switzerland and Denmark represent pure orthodox communism while the United States of America represents laissez-faire anarcho capitalism. You just have to be wholly ignorant of the meaning of the terms you’re using and then it all makes sense.

          1. You just have to be wholly ignorant of the meaning of the terms you’re using and then it all makes sense.

            Ah, I see!

          2. “United States of America represents laissez-faire anarcho capitalism.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzcv5TJkJBA

        3. He also ignored any trends regarding the life spans, the differences in the definition of ‘live births’, the confounding factors of population cultural diversity and age, plus probably several other issues, all to cherry-pick a maximum of a 6-year difference in the *average* life expectancy.
          Fuck off, slaver.

    6. Answer. A “Utopia” is unattainable. Of course a Totalitarian like you AMSOC would force your version of “Heaven” on everyone else instead of letting every individual make choices, that make them happy in this life.

        1. AMSOC. Stop being so Paternalistic.

    7. Sounds like amsoc is a terrible parent…wants everyone else to take care of the kids

      1. His kids. He cares nothing for any other parents kids. Only his own.

        1. One would think a parent would be proud to save money for college for their kids. Sounds like they are a nuisance to him

    8. In contrast, in socialist hellhole I pay 35k for taxes, which covers my daycare, my retirement, and the kids’ future education.

      Yes, but you have to understand that after the government replaces 47k worth of investments you make for yourself with only 15k in additional taxes, they have to provide union wages, food, housing, retirement and education for the underpants gnomes that made up the 32k difference, so it’s basically a wash.

    9. Is the retirement in socialist hellhole something that you own and is heritable? Bet not. Also, why should we fund a lifestyle choice like having children? Liberals like you love to tell us that having a child is a choice, and why do you want to discriminate against the childless?

    10. am soc:

      The real question you should ask is, how long do you have to wait in a capitalist system before you become a man, instead of whining like a little boy who wants to be taken care of?

      Nice to see you again.

      1. “The real question you should ask is, how long do you have to wait in a capitalist system before you become a man, instead of whining like a little boy who wants to be taken care of?”

        It would be nice if that pathetic excuse for a human being grew up and became a moral agent, but given the investment the twerp has made in whining, I doubt it’ll happen.

    11. Question: how long do I have to wait in capitalist utopia to accumulate enough savings so that I can tell Black people to piss off and stop collecting Welfare?.

      It depends upon what it says on your fifth line.

  25. OT, since I don’t give a shit about the supposed ‘debate’

    Fisherfolk who work the ocean off San Fran and environs have been prohibited from catching Dungeness crabs this year; some sort of toxin associated with El Nino. Well, ya know, some years suck and a good fisherguy or -gal would obviously put money aside for that circumstance, much as ANY people involved in risky professions, right?
    “Bill aims to give crab industry $138 million in disaster relief”
    […]
    “Speier’s office estimated that commercial crab fishermen have lost $68 million this season, while related businesses, such as restaurants that depend on selling the seafood delicacy to diners, are down about $70 million. ”
    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..871392.php

    So Speier’s staff pulls numbers out of someone’s ass, and we should be happy to pay?

    1. OT, since I don’t give a shit about the supposed ‘debate’

      What the hell channel is it even on? I looked for a minute then gave up due to lack of interest.

    2. much as ANY people involved in risky professions

      Yeah I thought that was SOP for farmers and such. And it’s not like farmers are receiving any subsidies or anything.

      1. OK, not ANY, but I know plenty of RE agents who make sure they cover the years when the fed screws the interest rates.

    3. A few weeks ago the waiter came into the kitchen and asked me, “A customer wants to know if your Atlantic Salmon is wild caught, or farmed ?”

      I told the waiter, to tell the customer “That if he/she is asking that question, then he/she already knows the answer.”

      “Tell them that he/she can FUCK OFF !!!”

      Atlantic Salmon are farmed, because they are endangered in the wild.

      1. Sevo. farmed. of this Seafood can be farmed. It’s the rich progressive asshole “Foodies” that insist on everything being “Wild Caught”

        1. Fuck I cannot even write a post about this without getting so pissed off that I fuck it up !!!

          1. I watch a *lot* of food shows and yeah the political bullshit has really infested the industry.

            1. Fucking Right !!!!

    4. it seems to me though that government created this problem through its fishing prohibition.

      1. So it’s only fair that you pay for it, because the government is us, ergo you created this problem you fucking wrecker!

  26. Love how michael moore complains about capitalism as he gets a net worth of 50 million

    1. Anti-Capitalism is a virtually untouched market.

  27. Cankles cause Hitler-cancer.

  28. OK, if anyone took one for the team, did Bernie finally ask why a non-indicted felon should be a presidential candidate?

    1. SF will along tomorrow morning to describe what actually goes on between them backstage.

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  30. The one time I will ever agree with the bloviating MM; eight decades of Democratic rule with nothing to show for it, except for idiots who will continue to vote for them based on victim entitlement.

  31. Great Moore photo. Looks like the Down Syndrome kid on South Park.

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