Minimum Wage

Would Yelp Hire Millennials If It Was Forced to Pay Them a Higher Minimum Wage?

Low-wage jobs are stepping stones for young employees.

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A recent college graduate was fired from a San Francisco-based job at Yelp after she published an open letter to the CEO decrying her low pay. She was promptly fired, although Yelp claims the letter had nothing to do with the decision. 

The woman, Talia Jane claims she wasn't making enough money to afford life in San Francisco, and that Yelp should be more sympathetic to her situation. Many people are using her story as an excuse to argue that better minimum wage laws would improve the conditions of young workers. 

Of course, we know that's not how it works. If Yelp was forced to pay Jane more money than she was worth—well, the company simply wouldn't. 

As I argue in a recent op-ed for CNN, millennials should love their low-wage jobs, because low wages allow them to remain competitive with older, more skilled workers: 

Millennials may not realize it, but working for low pay is a competitive advantage (and a temporary one). Older workers have more obligations—families to provide for, house payments to make, kids' tuition costs to pay—and can't afford to work for less. Recent graduates can't beat them on raw talent, but they can beat them on price. For hardworking young people who just need to get a foot in the door and gain some experience, the minimum wage is, as Forbes editor John Tamny put it, "a cruel barrier." 

The science bears this out. Studies often find that higher minimum wages correspond with decreased youth employment In fact, if the government's explicit goal were to make it harder for young people to compete for jobs, they could scarcely design a more perfect policy. 

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  1. This has nothing to do with your letter but you’re fired. Lol

    1. Well, maybe if she spent the time writing the letter on, you know, doing her job, she wouldn’t be unemployed and would also be making more money…

    2. Do the Donald Trump hand hand gesture

  2. Seeing as Yelp is perfectly free to pay everyone at least $15/hour right now, I’d say they’ve made their choice, and you have your answer.

    1. This… if every company found it was a boon to pay their workers at the bottom rung more, they’d be doing it.

  3. I just don’t understand why people in a situation like this sit around and wait for politicians to fix their problems. Not only is that a long wait for a train that never comes, but also…isn’t it your life? Why wouldn’t you take action on your own to improve your situation?

    1. Ha, ha. Because the notion of taking charge of your life and being self-reliant is alien to most people. Society encourages this, particularly the statists. Freedom is not as attractive to others as it is to us here. That’s the real reason that libertarianism is such a hard sell – people are scared of freedom (or the responsibility that comes with it), and they want a safety net.

      1. Taking charge (should) mean taking responsibility. Taking responsibility means taking the chance that you will fail and that it will be your own fault.

        Those with artificially inflated self-esteem often have difficulty with the latter part.

      2. I know that what you’re saying is true but the thing I’m trying to get at is that when I’ve been in unsatisfactory job situations, I never thought about freedom or self-reliance; I just knew that my situation sucked and I couldn’t imagine just sitting around and enduring it while waiting for some Great Savior to fix it for me. I never thought of it as “freedom”; I thought of it as “I can’t take this shit anymore, so I won’t”.

        1. Welcome to the victim mentality.

          My first job was in a call center at a warranty company. We took customer claims then dispatched a contractor. Periodically a contractor would flake or cancel an appointment or the customer called in and couldn’t work out a time. It was common for everyone to bitch about the crappy contractors (“Why won’t contractor relations get them in line?”) or about customers (“Why don’t contracts say they have to be available?”). I eventually got promoted up the chain and one day came back to help the department was short handed. At that point, I got a call from a customer who couldn’t settle a time with a contractor. I put them on hold and called up another contractor and got it all worked out. 2 minutes. Done.

          The rest of the call center reps were shocked at what I’d done. They’d never heard of such a thing. Why is it even allowed? Putting people on hold would screw up your talk times. All these excuses not to fix the problem themselves, so instead they suffer irate customers calling again and again.

          If your culture (in my case, the call center department) supports a victim mentality, you will peer endlessly for a far off solution that will never happen, while ignoring the dozen things right in front of you that you could fix. It isn’t about improving the situation, it is that you were brutally “forced” into that position by others. You shouldn’t HAVE to improve things since it is ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

          1. Victim mentality is not anything new. However, the focus on our federal government makes it more pronounced. When the Federal Government (Or CEO of a large corporation) is the answer to everything, it is too easy to just wail about the injustice of it all while you suffer. It isn’t about improving your misery, but about ensuring that everyone knows that your misery isn’t your fault.

            One of my friends has done well with his life, and he married a rather successful girl. She is hopelessly liberal, but she quit her job to go do volunteer work at a homeless shelter. As much as I can’t stand her politics, at least she is trying to do something locally while she agitates for social justice. She worked hard and made good choices so that they could live on one income, and is directly doing things to “fix” a misery she sees. If every victim calling for Daddy Government would do even half as much as she does, there would be very little for Daddy to fix in the first place.

        2. I don’t know whether this is just a lack of willpower on the part of others or whether they are actually incapable of taking charge of their own lives.

    2. I don’t think they know how to fix their own problems. They never learned. For them, it’s like someone who spent their whole life in the city being thrown on to a desert island and being asked to start a fire and find food. Some people will try, but I think a lot of people would just give up or waste their time fighting against the reality of their situation.

  4. AND NOW, THE REST OF THE STORY: Starving on the Prosciutto-and-Brie Poverty Diet.
    …There’s no doubt that SF is an expensive city to live in thanks to its deepest of blue state taxes and policies. But it’s even more expensive when, as Malkin discovered, you’re spending ? as Jane boasted on Instagram and Twitter ? your wages on “‘prosciutto-brie-cilantro-garlic biscuits,’ ‘brie-stuffed meatballs topped with brie and rosemary sprigs,’ ‘roast chuck marinated in herbs,’ ‘a s? ton of Swedish potatoes au gratin,’ and ‘mini pumpkin pies'” ? and “indulging in a spa day with a fashionable facial mask made of Lush-brand coffee grounds.” “In one of her richer moments (pun intended),” Michelle writes, “Jane brags about having Bulleit Kentucky Bourbon delivered to her office through a smartphone app.”…

    1. Oh man. Oh man oh man oh man. This is precious. Apparently, “I can’t afford to live in San Francisco” means, “I can’t afford to live by myself and eat fancy meals and enjoy luxurious spa days and drink mediocre overpriced bourbon in San Francisco.” Has anyone posted the spectacular takedown of Jane by one of her (much more intelligent) co-generationalists? It is superb.

      1. “I can’t afford to live by myself and eat fancy meals and enjoy luxurious spa days and drink mediocre overpriced bourbon in San Francisco[/New York/Los Angeles].”

        TV sitcoms were lying to her all along.

        1. They have such nice apartments and always eat out. I’ve been lied to about what being financially independent means. I know that if I just vote for the right people they will fix everything for me and I will have my dream life.

    2. Bulleit? I think it’s clear that she’s of low character at this point. There’s many cheaper and better Bourbons out there.

      1. I agree. I think it’s popular among folks who are “hip” and “with it” because it has a fancy (French?) name. If you’re going to pay a premium for bourbon delivery, you might as well spring for Maker’s Mark or Woodford Reserve.

        1. Maker’s mark contains no rye and thus is inferior. It is known.

          1. *removes silk glove, drops brick inside of it, slaps Florida Man full across the face*

            PISTOLS AT DAWN, SIRRAH.

            1. Flintlocks or cowboy style?

              1. Cowgirl style.

                1. With reverse pistols? Hmm

                2. Pics or GTFO

              2. Flintlocks, obviously. Usin’ them fancy six-shooters is cheatin’.

                1. I choose Mr. Lizard as my first.

                  1. Or second. However it works.

                    1. Only Fist can be First.

                2. Flintlocks? I vote matchlocks!

                  Holding a lit match while pouring gunpowder will make it much more exciting!

          2. I have it on good authority that a flask of maker’s mark pair nicely with skiing steep cornices.

            1. Skiing involves water and speedboats and a watermelon infused with rum.

              1. Skiing involves water and speedboats and a watermelon infused with rum.

                On second thought, FM, you’re quite alright, taste in bourbon notwithstanding.

            2. I know this comes off as too prissy, but mulled wine fortified with a touch of brandy is quite possibly the best filler for a boda bag. I would never be caught dead with a glass of that anywhere else, but there is something about that warm liquid and spices when freezing your ass off above timberline.

        2. Just get Jim Beam black label.

        3. Bulleit slots in on price between the cheap shit like Beam and mid-grade stuff like Maker’s. For a lower cost option it’s very good, and if you’re looking to swill Manhattans all night there’s no better option anywhere near that price point (its flavor compliments sweet vermouth perfectly).

          Diageo buying that brand a decade ago was a godsend as far as I’m concerned; it’s $10 per bottle cheaper now even though alcohol has gone up about 30% pretty much across the board where I live.

          Also, the 10-year reserve is pretty fucking good. My old boss gets be a bottle of it every year for Christmas and I’m always quite grateful.

          1. Expensive bourbon? Whats the point? Bourbon is supposed to be cheap. It was invented so people wouldn’t have to spend their hard earned Confederate dollars on imported Scotch and whisky. It’s made with corn.

            1. I agree, which is why I max out at ~$40.00 per bottle. That’s like half the price of what I pay to get drunk off beer.

          2. I’m a Bulleit Rye guy (I alternate with, ah, hell, its slipped my mind).

            I’ve tried their bourbon, but it just didn’t hold my interest.

      2. Buffalo Trace, to name one.
        (IMO)

        1. When a batch of Buffalo Trace comes out slightly off-color, they relabel it Ancient Ancient Age and sell it on the bottom shelf for $12.50 a liter. It is the best deal in hard alcohols, if your local liquor store carries it.

      3. Bulleit is $25 here. I don’t call that expensive.

        1. You don’t need to show off your opulence.

        2. Bulleit is $25 here

          It is $35 here, which makes it more expensive than Buffalo Trace, which it is not superior to.

          1. Man, you guys are cheap skates.

      4. On a similar note, I’m looking to pick up a new bourbon this weekend. Any recommendations?

          1. Aye.

            Basil Hayden’s is also good. And Larceny is a nice inexpensive one.

            1. Another Aye here for Basil Hayden’s. I find it to be very smooth.

              Also, any love for Knob Creek around here?

              1. Basil is one of my go to drinks, but a bourbon snob will probably poo poo you for drinking 80 proof bourbon.

                Blanton’s and Baker’s are pretty damn good. I also do drink Knob Creek, I prefer it to Maker’s and Woodford. Woodford has this weird soapy aftertaste to me.

                Booker’s is pretty smooth with a gasoline burn.

            2. Four Roses Small Batch is a good one. I’m not familiar with Basil Hayden’s. Might check that one out.

              1. It sounds like you like a higher rye content. Try Old Grand Dad, I think it’s cheaper than the other too.

    3. A coffee ground facial mask? Couldn’t you just save the money and smear the detritus from your morning pot’s filter on your face?

      BTW, is it just me or does do “prosciutto-brie-cilantro-garlic biscuits” sound revolting? Shame on her for abusing the glorious porcine gift my ancestors help give to the world.

      1. Anything with “brie” in it is revolting.

        1. Except Allison.

          1. Ra’s al Johnson is RIGHT!

      2. A coffee ground facial mask? Couldn’t you just save the money and smear the detritus from your morning pot’s filter on your face?

        That’s exactly what they’re doing… just charging you extra for it.

    4. She had it delivered to work????? Ahahaha!!!!!

      1. I think because the delivery service doesn’t go to the East Bay. Where she is forced to live because Yelp wasn’t paying enough at her entry-level job for a $3000 a month apartment in the City.

        1. Cheap fucks.

      2. There are exactly 3 circumstances where I will have things delivered.

        1. It’s something too big to fit in my car
        2. I’ve been drinking and I shouldn’t drive
        3. Amazon, where it’s cheaper than brick and mortar

        This bitch is horrible with money. Her time is so valuable that she can’t go to the store herself????

        1. If she is struggling to eat she shouldn’t buy alcohol anyway

          1. It’s one of the 4 basic food groups. But yeah, not good booze

          2. You might as well be a hobo if you have to choose between food and booze and you pick the latter

            1. Are we pretending that this girl ISN’T a hobo?

              1. That actually might be an insult to hobos. They’re usually more resourceful.

                1. hobos seem to prefer their liquor to be of the malt variety

              2. She’s pretending she isn’t a hobo. Personally, I’m trying to decide between deadbeat and bum.

            2. hobo =/= bum. Actual hobos are mostly gone, but there used to be a whole hobo culture of riding the rails (hitching rides in empty RR freight cars), their own slang, something of a social structure, and a clever system of markings (this house will feed you, that house will run you off).

  5. The solution is obviously for San Francisco to mandate higher wages. That will solve things.

    1. and rent control, lots of that

      1. And a moratorium on construction of market-rate housing. We’ve got to pull out all the stops here.

        1. And up local taxes too. If those local companies are going to use slave labor they should at least have to pay their fair share.

          1. Mandate ten weeks of paid maternity leave, too

  6. What kind of dipshit thinks they can live in the Bay Area comfortably for less than $100,000? I’d like some of what they’re smoking.

    1. They can’t afford to smoke the good stuff, Doyers!

      1. This be true. I buy mine off the discount rack.

        1. So I should say “comfortably enough for less than $100,000.” $120,000 would put me in the market for fresh bud.

            1. I am a frequent indulger.

    2. I support my family in the Bay Area comfortably for less than $100,000, owning my own home. I live about 15 miles NE of Oakland. If you don’t need to be in one of the “cool” areas, housing is not nearly the crisis it’s made out to be.

      1. Corrected, I meant living in the City and County of San Francisco, specifically.

        1. She claims to live in a suburb. I have no idea where she actually lives.

        2. Oakland and Berkeley are pretty bad, too, and the Peninsula is out of control. Unfashionable areas like Hercules and Vallejo are still pretty affordable.

          1. Berkeley!? Not my precious Top Dog!

            1. Yes, but in their defense they do wring their hands constantly about the evils of gentrification and how charming it would be to have more poor people in their city.

              1. Yeah, I could smell that when I got out of my car.

          2. Richmond. Where people who are too trashy to live in Oakland move.

            1. Richmond – our own little slice of Stockton.

        3. Most kids her age just live 3 or 4 to an apartment and accept that. That’s what I did. I have a feeling no one wanted to live with her because who goes live out their young urban professional dream in SF and finds an apartment in Concord or whatnot.

          1. I peaked at about 170 sq. ft. per person in an apartment. It was… cozy, and ridiculously cheap. That was the only time in my life that I’ve spent more on food than housing. I recommend that everyone do that at least once in their lives so they will appreciate the value of privacy and space. When you finally get a good job and can afford to have 1000+ sq. ft. to yourself it feels amazing.

            1. When you finally get a good job and can afford to have 1000+ 500+ sq. ft. to yourself it feels amazing.

              Fixed for those of us in NYC…

            2. Just guessing, but in my co-renting days I think I was probably at around 250 sq. ft. per tenant

              Currently, it averages out to around 1500 sq. ft.. Half that if you count the dogs, and they certainly seem to count themselves.

      2. Also, 15 miles NE of Oakland might as well be no-man’s land! Can you even see the Golden Gate??

        1. If I climb the hill between me and it, yes. But to my SF-based friends, we may as well live in Nevada.

          1. There’s The City and there’s The Middle of Nowhere outside The City.

        1. El Sobrante

          1. I know it well. There’s some good hiking in the area

            1. That’s its main selling point, and I’m right at the tapering off near San Pablo Dam. Three out of four directions out my front door take me into regional parkland, but my commute to Oakland is only 1/2 an hour.

    3. You can. Just not in SF. Try Vallejo.

      1. Anything neither on the SF peninsula nor within 10 miles in either direction just ain’t gonna cut it. I’d rather live in Ohio.

        1. You’re fortunate that your career of Walmart Greeter allows you flexibility on where you can relocate.

        2. You’re fortunate that your career of Walmart Greeter allows you flexibility on where you can relocate.

          1. And all the squirrels you can eat.

          2. FUCK YOU AND HAVE A BAD DAY.

            *checks receipt*

        3. Ohio? Come on! Think about what you are saying. It sucks here we all know it.

      2. Commuting to SF from Vallejo would eat my soul.

        1. Yup. When I lived in SF for one year (with 3 roommates) I worked front desk at a hotel. Every single member of the staff who wasn’t a yuppie like me lived in Vallejo or somewhere equally far where even BART doesn’t go.

  7. I don’t know if anyone’s posted this yet, but Talia Jane, who was allegedly going to bed hungry every night and could only afford to eat rice, continuously posted on social media about all the baked goods she was making, the kombucha she was buying, and the whiskey she had hand delivered to her work by courier because, and I quote, “alcohol delivery services aren’t available where I live in the suburbs.”

    So she was living in such staggering poverty that she’d pay a premium to have whiskey delivered to her since she was too lazy to go to the liquor store.

    1. Obviously, she made up a good part of her story and persona. The only question is how much of either side is true.

    2. She had answers for all of your complaints. Well, some of them.

      1. Or the Pringles. I was on the train and some dude was trying to hit on two chicks, and it went extremely wrong. ? It got really intense and the train ended at their stops, and [one of the women] threw a container of Pringles. ? At first I thought they were going to roll around and make a mess everywhere. I was sitting there thinking, “Why don’t I eat these?” That’s how I got those Pringles.

        Yeah, I believe that.

      2. The Buleit isnt covered.

      3. I was told on the phone the letter violated Yelp’s code of conduct. I was told it could take a while [for the severance paperwork to come in]. Especially because I was told one thing and they released a statement showing something completely different, I have a feeling they’re going to take a very long time to figure out exactly how to word it.

        Yeah. You better be REAL FUCKING PRECISE if you’re going to try and get over on Talia Jane.

    3. Can anyone explain to my why you would have liquor delivered?

      One of the reasons I don’t mind going to the grocery store for Mrs. Lurker is that it enables me to stock up on liquor. Do grocery stores not have liquor sections in California?

      1. If you do mean actual liquor, they don’t in Texas. Or, at least, at any of the grocery stores I go to/have been to in my neck of the woods.

        Beer/wine? Sure. But, not liquor.

        But, of course, she doesn’t live here, and I’m not sure we have booze cruisers here.

  8. She need not worry as the Dark Lord Nirp will reduce her personal problems to meaninglessness.

  9. There is no part of her situation that was not foreseeable.
    Also the indignity that she might have to do entry level for a whole year before doing the creative stuff is a real hoot. When I started out in the professional world I had roommates, a second job for years, the works. It’s a bummer, but it’s real life.

    1. It’s a bummer, but it’s real life.

      It’s not even a bummer at that age. I had a blast with roommates. Now in my 40s… hell no.

      1. I was thinking more about the years of having a second job in the “bummer” part. I had friends for roommates so that part was always at least OK.

        1. Yeah, I never did the “second job” thing. I figured if I couldn’t make it on one (full-time) job then it’s time to re-tool. I guess that’s why I had a roommate until I was 35 🙂

        2. I had a good friend who went into the Air Force reserves and took on a valet job while doing entry level work at a finance company. I never could figure out why he felt like there were all these people who never had a chance. He was living that chance, and yeah it was hard, but he could live without a roommate and had time to write scripts (he is now a director).

          He has become more lefty as the years roll on. I met with him once a couple years ago and couldn’t believe just how hard leftist he was. He kept talking about all these things that the poor need and how evil republicans were keeping them down. I was like, “How can you say that? You proved that all it takes is hard work to go from poor to living your dreams.”

      2. I got sick of roommates by my mid-20s. I was through with the struggle over getting them to help pay bills, do chores and not be passive aggressive drama queens.

  10. It’s not minimum wage that’s the barrier, it’s corporate greed.

    /Every good little soldier

  11. Would Yelp spring for some alt-text?

  12. She’s never heard of roommates, huh? My first job out of college was in LA. It was decent money for the time, $24K, so I was hardly starving anyway, but I had a roommate anyway because only a fucking moron spends twice as much for housing as they have to.

  13. Something tells me that a large portion of this story is fake.

    1. Unpossible, it’s on the Internet!

    2. Calm down, Rigoberta! The larger narrative is true!

    3. It hist so many of the Entitled Millennial stereotypes that it seems too good to be true.

  14. Well, I’m off to the pool to have booze delivered to me. I’ll make sure to complain about it later!

  15. THIS IS ANOTHER SCHEME PLANNED FOR ULTERIOR MOTIVES LIKE CLOCK BOY AND BALLOON BOY. I’M GOING TO CALL HER YELP BOY.

    1. And give her 1 star! Would not bang!

      1. Would not bang

        Would if she made the change from hipster-approved bourbon. It is like she is Florida Man, or Suthenboy, or Tundra, or any of the rest of you Reason hipsters.

        1. Are you saying you wouldn’t bang them?

  16. That’s a pretty good article Robby.

    I dove into the comments on the CNN article. They were a mixed bag.

  17. Old people? More skilled than I? Bah!

  18. My favorite part of the article was where she identified that the ideal percent of paycheck going to rent is 30%, that hers was 80%, and that it was someone else’s job to change that.

    1. Living in San Francisco isn’t a choice.

  19. Because no one should be forced to commute from Daly City or Oakland.

  20. I must admit I do like the idea of delivered booze, but I want it done by drone and through Amazon.

  21. I worked in fast food in my teens and early twenties, and most of the people I worked with were under thirty. When I go into a fast food restaurant these days most of the employees are over thirty. But that can’t be because of minimum wage because, um, intentions. Yeah, intentions.

    1. I doubt it’s because of the minimum wage since the minimum wage hasn’t really increased if you adjust for inflation.

      Minimum wage in 2008 was about the same as in 2000, about the same as it was during the ’90s, and quite a bit lower than in the ’70s.

      Today the wage is a higher than it was in 2008, but it’s not any higher than it’s been over the last 40 years. Unless you’re 70, I don’t think that change was caused by the minimum wage.

      1. That chart shows the actual minimum wage at standing at $7.25 and hour. It is $9.50 where I live and $10 in California.

        1. Federal minimum is $7.25, but that only means that states can’t set it any lower.

      2. I doubt it was the sole cause, but I do suspect it to be a contributing factor. I’ve got a fourteen year old stepson and when he is old enough to legally get a job next year, I really wonder what he might be able to do. I’m not sure he could create $7.50 worth of value per hour for an employer. I’m doing my best to instill a work ethic in him with yard work and stuff, but he still takes more breaks than me even though he’s younger and in top shape. I’m sure he could get a job for $5/hr, but it is a crime for him to do so.

      3. I remember getting hired at Burger King for $3.85/hr, and then the McDonalds next door offered me $4.25 to work for them. Little did I know that they made the offer because the MW was slated to go up to $4.25 in a few months, so I took the job. Back then a value meal was $2.99, $3.20 with tax. So it was less than an hour of minimum wage. Now they’re closer to six or seven dollars, and the minimum is over seven. Maybe you’re right. But I can’t help but to think that they’d employ more kids if they could pay them less than the legislated floor or wages.

  22. I’m thinking that Robby asked for a raise this morning. Someone told him no and then directed him to write this article. Fortunately, Robby’s Hair pulls in the big money with modeling gigs.

  23. You knew this was inevitable department: 36 year-old DESTROYS 29-year-old millennial who “ripped” 25-year-old Yelp employee who got fired after complaining about her salary Yes, they actually put ‘destroy’ in all caps in their headline.

    1. Dear Lord, she coulda just written, “Hey, FEELINGZ!!1!”, and saved us all from that grammar puke she produced.

  24. If you come out of college and have a minimum wage job, you have completely wasted your time.

    I was already earning more than minimum wage going into college. 2 years in I got my first job as an engineer, earning $17/hr. Immediately quite my 2-3 restaurant jobs and have been moving up every since.

  25. I think it may well be slam dunk time.

    http://www.Anon-Net.tk

  26. Somewhat on the subject of minimum wage and the value of human labor:

    Supposing that automation technology reached a point where human labor was 99% unnecessary, what do you think the economy would look like? Naturally, there would still be a few jobs that require a human element – all types of arts, craft and “artisan” products, personal therapy, sports leagues, etc.

    I’ve frequently heard the case put forth that “a handfull of billionaires” would own all of the production equipment and be super-rich while the rest of the population digs for potatoes with their fingers in a barren field. But I don’t see how this small handfull of billionaires could succeed in keeping that technology 100% secret. Once you pass the point where machines can produce anything, including new machines to make other products, all it would take is one person to give a few poor people 3D printers and the proper algorithsms, and the cat would be out of the bag.

  27. Millennial who used to live in East Bay here. While I do agree that housing is ridiculous out there, it should’ve been fairly obvious that her wages (even if she’d gotten a raise within a year! Why would she expect this?!) wouldn’t be enough to cover $1.2k rent. It’s true that the job market is absolutely terrible and needs to be fixed, but she should’ve known what she was getting into.

    I’m three years younger than her and wouldn’t dare move out on my own with rent being more than 60% of my paycheck, and I live pretty thriftily. Yes, she said she had a situation that she needed to move out of, and yes, she said she’d tried to get a roommate with no success. But if she was moving to East Bay, she’s moving by schools. If she’s moving by schools, there are always posts on CL looking for roommates. Is it fun? Nope, I lived in a glorified closet barely bigger than a twin bed (loft bed left by the previous renter, fit a desk and some drawers under it) in a house that was falling apart with 4 other housemates I’d never met before. No heater, no AC, and a kitchen with about 4 sq. ft of counter space. But it was $600 a month (and way less than $100 a month on utilities), and if I really needed to go to SF for some reason, it was a 20 minute walk to the BART station. Mind you, this was only a year ago.

    TLDR; The housing/minimum wage problem needs to be fixed (and no, raising minimum wage is not the solution I had in mind), but she really could’ve made MUCH better decisions.

    1. And before somebody comes to point out something like “it’s not about you and what you did, it’s about her,” I’m trying to say that if she’d really wanted this job in this area that she liked so much, it was completely possible. It just wouldn’t have been quite as convenient as it seems she’d wanted. No, I don’t think we should have to work 2-3 jobs just to make rent, but it’s not realistic to think we can live freely without a bit more work than an entry level position. Reality isn’t ideal, whether we think it’s fair or not.

      As for the article, of course they wouldn’t hire us for more than minimum wage. There are hundreds of us who will jump onboard at the chance for a low paying job at a big name company (some of us because we desperately need the job, some of us because we know we can move up with a bit of patience). Heck, I jumped at the chance for an internship that paid $2k a month even though it was 6 hours of commute each day. We’re replaceable with or without our college degrees and easily so at that.

      1. Got some articles mixed up here, oops. But definitely agree that higher minimum wage = fewer jobs. I’d also argue that it puts too much pressure on small business owners; seems like a lot of my generation misses the fact that the little guys and franchisees will be the ones to shoulder the cost of labor, not the big corporations. And contrary to popular beliefs, not all McDonald’s/Subway/etc owners are millionaires and make thousands a day (have a friend with parents who do so for a living, and they’re considered a low income family).

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