Reason Live Tweets the GOP Debate

The five remaining GOP contenders gather in Houston for a CNN debate.

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Tonight at 8:30 p.m., Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson and John Kasich take the CNN debate stage in Houston. Wolf Blitzer will be the primary moderator, with Hugh Hewitt, Dana Bash and Telemundo's Maria Celeste Arraras contributing questions. 

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[SIV]

STFU and VOTE TRUMP, COSMOS

[commodious spittoon]

I'll just leave this here.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Houston, we have a problem.

[SIV]

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

[__Warren__]

Everybody just calm the fuck down!

[sloopyinTEXAS]

You calm down yourself, motherfucker!

::runs around like a lunatic::

[Quincy.]

No. Make me.

*throws empty beer can at corner of computer screen where Warren is secretly hiding*

[__Warren__]

Goddammit, how come my angry yelling at people never gets the results I want!

[C. Anacreon]

Because you need a visit from Mr. Manners.

[__Warren__]

Shut up, Gallant! Mom always loved you best!

[Lady Bertrum]

*curls into tiny ball and cries silently in corner*

[Lady Bertrum]

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?????

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Quoting Rodney King in a RepubliKKKan debate thread?

That's like shouting fire in a crowded theater.

-SJW Fuckstick

[Irish ?s ESB]

We'd better calm down quickly because conflict is one of Crusty's biggest turn-ons and tends to send hiim to...dark places.

[Wasteland Wanderer]

And you are strictly against anything that is "dark", amirite?

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

HEY, HOLD MY BEER A SEC ...

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

I'm perfectly calm, dude.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Hasn't a decent, sane human being come up with an alternative to the fascist cocksuckers at Twitter that are censoring conservatives that aren't even violating their TOS?

Where's the Cubes when we need him?

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Here?

[TheZeitgeist]

Unfortunately, Timecube is gone. Only on Wayback machine anymore...

Time Cube is only a wayback?

Do not adjust your tinfoil hats...Time Cube is gone.

[SIV]

Colby Cosh ?@colbycosh 1h1 hour ago

FACT: "Doctors" in rock music titles are usually sinister and/or violent. Only rarely are they helpful, kind professionals.

Phamacists are alright

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Thompson Twins say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[SIV]

I'm not sure who he is or why Welsh tweeted him in the debate feed. Or what songs he's even thinking of.

Dear Doctor

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Doctor Feelgood is the only one that Colby Cosh was exposed to whilst growing up in America's Hat.

[Lady Bertrum]

Hold me now!?!

[Zombie Jimbo]

Pfft. The Rock and Roll Doctor was a humane, decent fellow

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEOlTZGuLKM

[Irish ?s ESB]

OT: Matt linked to this in the earlier post, but there's a paragraph in this article about the fake Trump KKK supporters that is just wonderful.

The SPLC has outdone itself.

"Numbers have dwindled in some hate-filled sections of the country. Ironically, this is also a cause for concern because the report suggests that the decrease in number might be a "reflection, perhaps, that hate in the mainstream had absorbed some of the hate on the fringes." Simply stated, this could be a major indicator that traditional fringe groups might have finally found mainstream voices that they can get behind."

Got that? More hate groups means there's more violent racism and we should all be scared. Fewer hate groups also means there's more violent racism and we should all be scared. No matter what happens to the number of hate groups, it means violent racism is getting worse! The SPLC told me so! Guess it's time to send Morris Dees another check!

[Trigger Hippie]

So either way, you're WINNING!!! Congrats, Irish!

[Irish ?s ESB]

U.S.A! U.S.A!

[Quincy.]

You're just mad that racism lost it's hipster cred.

[Crusty Juggler]

Irish was racist before it was cool.

[BigT]

700 BC??

[Mustang]

There's just so many more things to hate!

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Looks Like Morris read some literature about global warming and decided to use their business model.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Robby Soave @robbysoave
Oh God, it's happppppppppening... livetweeting the debate with @reason's @kmanguward @sladesr @katiehooks @petersuderman. Save us

Ok, somebody make "The Libertarian Case For Paying Attention To Suave's Tweets" in one chart. Aaaaand, GO!

[SIV]

Robby Soave ?@robbysoave 2m2 minutes ago

I'm just sad Bernie isn't in this debate #HonoraryBernieBro

You can troll better than that

[Lady Bertrum]

Reposting this because - well, it's entirely obvious - the salty ham tears:

This made me giggle crazily.

[Crusty Juggler]

She is an angel! How dare you!

[Lady Bertrum]

I'm sure if you spend sometime with her and explain libertarian principles to her, she'll totally fall in love with you, become an ancap and want to have your babies. Dream on dreamweaver.

[Crusty Juggler]

I would adore each and every one of her perfect little freckles.

[Lady Bertrum]

Until she divorcees you and takes all your shit.

[Crusty Juggler]

I would gladly hand her my stuff. In fact, I would carry it for her to her new place, that is how lovely she is.

I think it is time to re-fight the Civil War.

[Lady Bertrum]

Men are so easily led by your penises. It's like taking candy from babies, really.

[Crusty Juggler]

You leave men with baby penis' alone! You are so mean.

[Quincy.]

This is why politics is evil. It breaks cute people.

[SIV]

"These people think they won the Civil War!"

[Irish ?s ESB]

Related: Millennials are eating less cereal because they say making cereal is too much work.

"That's right ? an astonishing 40 percent of millennials surveyed expressed the opinion that cereal was just too much of a hindrance in the morning as it required washing up after eating, according to a report published by Mintel in Aug. 2015."

Quintessential Bernie supporter: Cries on youtube at night then eats a bagel in the morning because it would be too much effort to wash out their bowl afterwards.

[Lady Bertrum]

In defense of millennials, cereal has no nutritional value. Eat eggs.

[Irish ?s ESB]

They're too lazy to make cereal and you think they'll prepare eggs?

Check your Generation X privilege.

[Lady Bertrum]

Eggs can be quite messy.

[Crusty Juggler]

I assume the other men of my generation used that commercial as...inspiration.

[EMD]

Rachel Leigh Cook later hooked up with Marilyn Manson.

Irony?

[Quincy.]

How do they eat Ramen noodles? It involves a pot and a bowl?

[Crusty Juggler]

Annoyingly?

[Irish ?s ESB]

Probably because the study is bullshit and is being misreported because it plays into stereotypes about lazy millennials.

Would be my guess.

[Lady Bertrum]

Stop being so sensitive. Just accept your generation is a bunch of lazy, irrational, cry-bully degenerates with neckbeards, fedora, and footy PJ's.

[Irish ?s ESB]

I don't wear footie pajamas, they get in the way when my mommy tries to give me zoobers on my belly.

[Lady Bertrum]

Are you still "dating" Miss Molly Soda? or did she cry into your fur so profusely you became moldy and she needed to have you dry-cleaned which caused your button eyes to fall out?

We always hurt the ones we love.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Cup O Soup, FTW!

Oh wait, that requires pouring water into it.

[0x90]

It doesn't have to.

[Quincy.]

Exactly. I had Ramen for lunch today. Hot water from the water cooler, 4 minutes in the microwave. Boom. One bowl, no pots.

[EMD]

Maruchan Instant Lunch!

[Quincy.]

Which of these idiots is the Maruchanian candidate?

[Irish ?s ESB]

This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. My favorite is that she's surprised that when she calls Republicans as a Bernie supporter they're not as nice to her as when she calls people who are Bernie supporters.

Yeah, I'm sure if a Cruz fan were doing calls in San Francisco all the leftists would be super pleasant.

Incidentally, I worked in the Wisconsin State Capital during Walker's anti-union bill and these nice, Bernie supporting leftists were threatening to murder me over the phone, so this girl can kindly go fuck herself.

[Crusty Juggler]

so this girl can kindly go fuck herself.

Kindly go make love to her perfect self, thank you.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Suthenboy]

Clearly she did not set up her phone bank in a safe space.

[Trigger Hippie]

The libertarian case for skipping this shitstorm: I need to catch up on the new season of Vikings.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

the new season of Vikings.

A show about a bunch of white dudes that want to kill everybody not like them?

Yeah, I can see why you'd want to skip it.

[Trigger Hippie]

Well played sir.

[Rhywun]

There's always Project Runway.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I DVR both.

[JoWaDat889]

When will the sheeple finally realize they tell you what you want to hear, to get your vote, then develop sudden memory loss once elected!

http://www.Anon-Net.tk

[Lady Bertrum]

+1 best H&R comment evah!

[Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)]

How does it keep up with the news like that?

[Crusty Juggler]

Matt Welch ?@MattWelch 4m4 minutes ago College Park, GA

My dream is to throw cream pies at @JohnKasich's face, eternally.

*swoons*

[Longtorso, Johnny]

Woman who accused Donald Trump of trying to rape her and turn her into his 'sex slave' says she would now vote for him
Jill Harth filed a lawsuit in 1997 claiming Donald Trump tried to rape her
Now the businesswoman says she would vote for the Republican hopeful
Her suit claimed Trump repeatedly sexually assaulted her in 1992 and 1993
She alleged that he touched her 'intimate parts' and 'forcibly kissed and fondled' her in Ivanka Trump's bedroom in Mar-a-Lago
Once she was so disgusted by his advances that she vomited, she claimed
Ms Harth dropped the lawsuit just weeks after filing it - at around the same time her former husband and Trump settled a separate dispute
Trump spokesman said claims in the dismissed lawsuit were 'nonsensical'

[__Warren__]

Is that because of the Cockholm Syndrome?

[Lady Bertrum]

So, strong horse theory?

[Crusty Juggler]

'forcibly kissed and fondled' her in Ivanka Trump's bedroom

I believe it, because Trump is no doubt turned on from being in his daughter's bedroom.

[Crusty Juggler]

Wolf Blitzer in German means "neatly trimmed beard."*

*Yeah, I've post that before, so what, it's awesome and you will probably steal it. You know what, fuck you, you dirty thief.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I thought Greta van Susteren was German for "neatly trimmed beard"?

[Crusty Juggler]

No, Greta Van Susteren is German for "exquisite quim."

[__Warren__]

So after a 100+ years Major League Baseball has decided that you can't slide to break-up a double-play anymore.

One injury and an awesome tactic gets shitcanned. Dumb fucks. Way to overreact.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

They already ruined plays at the plate. What's next, the DH in both leagues after Kershaw takes one in the forearm?

[Gray Ghost]

What? Christ, they already allow the second baseman to just wave his foot in the general direction of the bag. Now this?

Per sloop, do they now completely forbid all contact at the plate?

[SIV]

Robby Soave ?@robbysoave 4m4 minutes ago

Trump is going to be the nominee. Maybe the president. I give in.

CAPITULATION

[sloopyinTEXAS]

#WINNING!

[__Warren__]

Trump be pimpin'!

[SIV]

Make those Mexicans build the wall on their side of the river, tear down our fence and fire 90% of the Border Patrol.

[sloopyinTEXAS]

Shit, it would have maybe kept some of Holder and Obama's Fast and Furious guns out.

[Tejicano]

There are sections of the US-Mexican border west of the Rio Grande which do have a fence. I always wondered what it must have felt like to be the team building that fence, when they came to the last section of fence they were instructed to build, to know that just stopping the fence means that people can just walk around it. I mean, yeah, it's in a pretty desolate stretch of desert in southern Arizona but at that point the fence just stops.

[EMD]

Land. Mines.

Jeez. It's not that hard.

[Tejicano]

And the easy part is you just have to put up signs. Don't bother digging and burying anything.

[Crusty Juggler]

Concrete pillboxes?

[cavalier973]

Pit bull preserve.

[Suthenboy]

A lifetime ago we would wander around in the south Arizona desert and shoot our pistols. We would bring water and plenty of ammo. We would walk and bang away all day and never see a person or a sign of a person. A few times we wandered over into Mexico. Oops. We would take our time wandering back. No one gave a single solitary shit. I loved that place. I wouldn't go near it now.

[Tejicano]

I might have bumped into you if that was '85 - '91

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Rubio: Zing!

[sloopyinTEXAS]

What, did he pass the Turing Test finally?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Dunno but he found his balls!

I guess that's the only way to fight Trump.

[SIV]

Marco Rubio prostitution arrest GOOGLE IT

[ant1sthenes]

We all know he's a Congressman already.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Rubio is bad ass.

[SIV]

Charo is looking a little rough

[SIV]

Suderman and Fisher are the pussiest cosmos of the tweet feed.

[Cytotoxic]

Ex-Mexican president Fox: 'I'm not going to pay for that f***ing wall'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/.....rump-wall/

[Quincy.]

"Fucking wall" is Mexican for glory hole.

[Cytotoxic]

Now...it all makes sense. This is all one massive misunderstanding. We should support Trump.

[Tejicano]

I believe Trump is in for a schoolin' if he tries to take that east coast asshole routine to the land of Machismo.

[__Warren__]

Instead of building it vertically how about building it so it ends up laying it on it's side?

[Crusty Juggler]

How about just lay down a bunch of razor wire?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

I wonder if CNN would be this aggressive with Democrats.

[Tejicano]

Ha ha ha! Just how far north of the border do you live?

[ant1sthenes]

Well, obviously the ex-president isn't going to pay for the wall. That's just crazy talk.

[AlmightyJB]

Shooters facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/cedric.ford.161

[Quincy.]

Carson wasting his precious time asking moderator to repeat the question.

[Gray Ghost]

Holy fuck. Sofia Vergara sounds like an alum of the Royal Shakespeare Company compared to this chick.

Why is she still talking?

[Tejicano]

Maybe she swallowed? (just upholding the "scum and villany cred we worked so hard for)

[Gray Ghost]

I am not sympathetic to Trump---President Camacho was high content compared to this guy. Fuck, he's Rain Man with worse hair.

But every time he interrupts her is less time that she's babbling and refusing to come to the point.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

She's irritating. Wtf is she trying to prove? Ask your question and shut up.

[Gray Ghost]

Good ding on Chief Justice Roberts.

[DenverJ]

So who are these guys? After they running for some office or something?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Damn I posted this in the wrong thread at 9:17pm:

LOL. Is Carson even paying attention?

[Gray Ghost]

And a better recovery. So why is Cruz losing again?

[SIV]

Kasich luvs him sum state-coerced gay wedding cake

[Gray Ghost]

With his, "and why if they're divorced?" bit, I'm thinking, "No shit, they should be allowed not to sell to them, you idiot."

Why isn't Kasich in the Dem race?

[Tejicano]

One reason, and it starts with an H

[Gray Ghost]

I don't get it. What, does this bitch have files on every Dem like whatever O used to get Roberts to roll over?

How is Mark Warner, for one, not kicking ass in this election?

[Tejicano]

I doubt she has anything on him right now. I just see that for a significant number of (D) voters she is the annointed one whose turn it is. She's the strongest candidate similar to a moderate prog so even with a huge possibility of an indictment hanging over her head she has the lead.

[Gray Ghost]

It just baffles me that a candidate, who has every chance of being indicted for multiple felonies, who's possibly the most unlikeable candidate since Richard Nixon, is the frontrunner when you've so many others in the Dem party who could run and win.

[Tejicano]

I call it the (D)-party-lockstep. "It's the new, cool thing! Everybody's doing it! You can learn how too!"

[Tejicano]

And don't forget her long, deep experience in elected office! Look at all the election cycles she ended up as the successful incumbent. Her excellent track record as congresswoman and gonvernor!

[DenverJ]

Hitler?

[BigT]

Heroin?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

This feels like a battle between Cruz-Trump-Rubio.

[DenverJ]

Is that like Man-bear-pig?

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Al Gore OWNS that.

[Tejicano]

OK, I lol'ed

[Gray Ghost]

So, when does Cruz defect to Trump in exchange for a SCOTUS nom when Trump wins? It's one of the only ways I see Trump getting over 50% and beating Rule 40. Who else's voters will defect to Trump? How else is Donald getting 50% in 8 states?

[Crusty Juggler]

The Libertarian Case For Trump:

He tows the line on Planned Parenthood.

[GILMORE?]

no no no. the expression is "Toes the Loins"

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Politifact and FactCheck are furiously taking notes.

[Rhywun]

I wish the Republicans would defend cupcake bakers on the grounds of free association rather than religious bigotry.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Can it be both?

[Crusty Juggler]

No.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Why not? Argue both points - DOUBLE SPEARMINT.

[Tejicano]

Hell, I'd prefer they do it on the grounds that "cupcakes aren't gay enough" - or anything else - rather than religious bigotry

[Winston]

I think that ship sailed in 1964...

[Rhywun]

Agreed.

[Gray Ghost]

Wherein, with pre-existing conditions, Trump reveals that he doesn't understand the idea of insurance. Or the origins of Obamacare.

OTOH, letting insurance companies sell across state lines is a decent idea.

If they're making a fortune, why do Humana and BCBS keep going back to the Feds for 8 figure bailouts every year?

[jarflax]

Cause they get them...

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

If they're making a fortune, why do Humana and BCBS keep going back to the Feds for 8 figure bailouts every year?

Why does a dog lick himself?

[esteve7]

So does Cruz or Rubio drop out first? They can't beat Trump with their vote-splitting

[DenverJ]

I think both of them are going to take it all the way to the convention.

[Gray Ghost]

Fucking hilarious.

The mods just need to shut up and throw boxing gloves on the stage.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

I want to change the channel but I can't look away.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

I hate this un-American shit.

[Winston]

So when will Soave be joining LRC or Antiwar.com? He could write his Libertarian Case for Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Chavez/Castro to his hearts content

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Again Kasich's shirt sleeves are shorter than his suit sleeve.

I keep thinking Lurch.

[Gray Ghost]

Kasich is so completely full of shit on this. He is promising everyone a pony and no one needs to pay for hay or pick up horse shit.

[0x90]

Health POWER!

[Quincy.]

Has somebody pointed out that Carson has a beard? Why do black people get to run for president having a beard while white people don't?

[ant1sthenes]

Carson's on the down-low? Had no idea.

[Quincy.]

No. I was shooting a two-bank shot at Hillary. Either that, or I was talking about facial hair.

[Gray Ghost]

Oooh. Ballsy from Carson. And it's not a right.

[Quincy.]

Concierge practice. Sound European.

[SIV]

A good concierge can hook you up with drugs.

[Quincy.]

Like prednisolone? Cool. That shit got expensive all of a sudden.

[Slammer]

Why is Trump talking in front of a yuge hot dog?

[Quincy.]

You're the wurst.

[Quincy.]

DYNAMIC ECONOMY!

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Does anyone believe Cruz when he says he would repeal Obamacare?

[Gray Ghost]

Him? I believe it. Of course, he'd have to work with Congress to get them to pass a bill saying so. Good luck.

But I think Cruz is the most forthright small gov't guy since Goldwater. He is shit on social issues. And I don't think he'll actually keep the fed gov hands off from stuff like abortion.

I do believe him though, creepy as the melted Madame Tussaud's dummy is.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Ha. Madame Tussaud.

[Rhywun]

On the plus side, he has managed to get that sort of under control in the later debates. The first couple... OMG WHAT IS THAT?

[Gray Ghost]

He is. He is a creepy looking mother fucker.

But I don't care how he looks. I care how he performs. And from what I've seen, he actually believes what he says, and tries to carry out what he says he'll do. Regardless of who it pisses off.

[John]

I think so too. But he doesn't connect with people. He doesn't have the charisma for the job.

[Gray Ghost]

Yeah. Sucks, doesn't it?

I honestly think his best shot of changing shit is to drop out in exchange for endorsing Trump, and getting a SCOTUS nomination. Cruz voters are the most likely to defect to Trump, and with them, Trump gets over 50%, beats Rule 40, and leaves the GOPe with the prospect of either screwing him over and irrevocably killing the GOP, or nominating Trump. Win-win.

I don't think Cruz can win.

[Gray Ghost]

I'm just tired of Amateur Night in the fed. Trump is going to be four more years of Obama, but from a (psuedo) right wing perspective. If I thought he'd actually be the non-military Andrew Jackson that he's portraying himself as, it'd be different.

But I don't think Trump'll change a fucking thing. He is a bullshit artist and self-promoter par excellence. He cares---everything I've read from people who've been associated with him says that he notices things, he's not a dummy, he cares about his workers---but I think he'll be happy selling out absolutely every Republican principle in their platform if it's good for Donald.

[Tejicano]

The iceberg-sized problem with Trump is that, once he has moved into 1600 Penn. Ave he won't give two squirts of piss in the wind for anything he said to get there. He is trowing out this net of words which he has calculated to be as big and wide as possible but he has no interest in any of the fish he's catching. He has no real track record and I wouldn't even be surprised if he doesn't try for a second term. Get in, do what he wants for four years, and get out. Wham! Bam! Thank you ma'm (or not)!

[Gray Ghost]

Completely this. You cannot rely on a single word that comes out of his mouth. Other than he's great.

[Gray Ghost]

I get more pissed off at Trump the more I listen to him. How the fuck is this clown convincing people?

Maybe he will turn out to be the businessman Reagan? I hope so, because I think he'll get the nom, and he'll beat Hillary.

But I doubt it.

[Tejicano]

If it does come to pass I am looking forward to the first time some reporter tries to nail him for not keeping a campaign promise and gets the reply "Yeah, that's what I said back then. So the Fuck what?"

There's going to be a wave of "What the fuck did we just do" - just like I felt in the room of Marine recruits right after getting shouted off the bus by a raving lunatic DI on the first day of boot camp.

[Gray Ghost]

I got to laugh at people in 2009, who elected Obama thinking that he was "going to clean up Washington", when I told them before the election that , "He's a Chicago politician: what the fuck are you thinking?!"

It didn't feel good.

[JeremyR]

He's pretty much the only one in the Senate that has tried.

OTOH, I doubt he can get the Republican sentate to go along with it. Just like he couldn't when he was in the Senate.

If he's president, they will hate him more than if Hilary was elected

[Gray Ghost]

We like gridlock, don't we?

[Winston]

So Sandoval, how likely would Obama have nominated him if he didn't withdraw?

[DenverJ]

0% It was a plot to try to get the Republicans to say " oh, well, maybe we will consider judicial nominees".

[Rich]

Trump will eliminate the Dept of Ed. Libertarian moment?

[0x90]

Trump's speech an mannerisms in that last interchange... couldn't get out of my head that scene in Goonies, where Chunk is in the back of the Fratelli's Jeep, telling about all the bad things he's ever done...

[GILMORE?]

i miss anything?

[Rich]

Trump will release his tax return after the government finishes auditing him.

And the usual feces flinging.

[DenverJ]

White guys arguing and a black guy sleeping.

[Quincy.]

A giant hot dog.

[Rhywun]

They've been talking about tax returns for the last 42 hours.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Bigly?

Trumpism.

[Quincy.]

It's a cromulent word.

[Slammer]

I want to eat that giant hot dog, it's bigly enticing.

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

Hewitt's hair looks extra silvery.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Ya know, he rehearsed that "Fruitsalad of your life" a week ago on his radio show ...

[Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer]

What was the point of attacking Hewitt?

[Rich]

Maybe Trump thought he was Jackson Hewitt.

[Rhywun]

He's there?

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Target-rich environment? Fire for effect?

[Tejicano]

It's called a free fire zone

[Winston]

So Cosmos vs. yokels. I think this is nothing more then the libertarian equivalent to the age-old Socialist battle between the Revisionists and the Revolutionaries. The former became social democrats, Liberals/Labo(u)r/Democrats/Progressives while the latter became the Communists.
Cosmos just want to be libertarian fabianists; swirling cocktails with the elites and trying to convince them to become libertarianish with their Cato reports and proclamations of love of weed, Mexicans and Ass-Sex. The yokel/paleos are heavily influenced by Leninsm. You know ally with whoever vaguely opposes the status quo in the hopes of finding there own Kerensky that they can overthrow to create their Libertarian Lenin. I mean Communists, Neo-Nazis and Islamic Theocrat do oppose the USG don't they?

[DenverJ]

WTF does that even mean?

[Gray Ghost]

I thought I was the only one.

I will give Tulpa credit for saying paleoconservatives are heavily influenced by Leninism. The sheer chutzpah of that gets something.

My power hiccuped. Anything worth noting before they went on break?

[Winston]

Um Rothbard was pretty open about how Lenin influenced him?

[Gray Ghost]

And Rothbard completely defines paleoconservatism?

Russell Kirk and William F. Buckley would have liked to have known that.

[Winston]

I was referring to paleolibertarianism. since I was talking about libertarianism you know.

[ant1sthenes]

That neither cosmos nor yokels are purists -- cosmos ally with establishment institutions in hopes of subverting them, but are themselves subverted instead; yokels ally with whoever wants to BTFSTTG, no matter how terrible the new order they promise is, and no matter how obvious that they would be the first against the wall if they succeeded.

[DenverJ]

All of which is complete bullshit. Socialists and communists want power to remake man in their own image, whereas libertarians want to leave people the hell alone, and tend to not even pursue political power.
The idea that libertarians of any kind would allie with ISIS, or are looking for their Lenin, is insulting, which is what the troll intended.

[Winston]

Rothbard was pretty open about how Lenin influenced him. And did you read about his time in the Peace and Freedom Party?

And you do know that Reason is buddy buddy with Glen Greenwald who is a Chavez apologist?

[Gray Ghost]

Again, Rothbard isn't all of paleoconservatism. He's not even a large chunk of it.

If Greenwald said that, and I'm doubting you if he said the Sun rises in the East, then he's wrong.

Beat it, Tulpa.

[Winston]

Boom

http://theintercept.com/2015/0.....hts-abuses

then he's wrong.

Oh I am accusing of making the outrageous accusation that "any sort of libertarian" would ally with ISIS and then prove that Reason is already allied with an apologist for Hugo Chavez means that I am wrong.

[Winston]

And you do know that Robby's The Case for Bernie Sanders is the exact thing I am talking about?

[Crusty Juggler]

Did you hear about that new movie called Constipation?

It hasn't come out yet.

[DenverJ]

Yes, and a good farmer is a man outstanding in his field.

[Tejicano]

Oh, now you're just pulling stuff out of...

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

I disagree. The cosmo/yokel split isn't really about process of obtaining "utopia," as much as a bunch of social signalling of who they like better. Cosmos sympathize with the SJW left, even if they don't agree with the SJW left's methods. Yokels sympathize with the SnoCone right, even if they don't agree with the SnoCone right's methods.

In a very poorly defined generality, the cosmo/yokel split mirrors the atheist/theist split in libertarianism.

[John]

It is cultural.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

I certainly notice it with myself. I get much more riled up by stupid feminist statists than by prayer at school statists. I think they're all morons, but since I'm a Christian libertarian, I have a little more sympathy for what I used to be (a SoCon) than for something that I've never understood (4th wave feminism).

[Chipwooder]

What if I dont like either side, but just hate leftists a whole lot more than socons? What does that make me?

[DenverJ]

Hitler?

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

Sane? Although I have my sympathies, I agree with you. Historically, SoCons were the original progressives, but they were replaced by more effective leftists. IOW, SoCons are minor league progressives and the leftists are the big leaguers.

[Chipwooder]

Very true. It's funny how the Protestant moralism that drove so much of the original Progressive movement never gets mentioned by leftists when the proggies extol their glorious roots.

I just don't think the socons are much of an actual threat. Gay sex isn't getting criminalized again. Neither is adultery, contraception, or even abortion for that matter, no matter how frothy the socons get about it. On the other hand, the proggies are absolutely a legitimate threat to individual liberty and the rule of law.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

It's amazing how the script has flipped. The original Social Gospel inspired Progressives were anti-intellectual, dispensationalist, racist Southern Protestants who believed it their duty to bring about God's Kingdom on Earth through the American Government.

Now they're anti-intellectual, Constitutional dispensationalist, racist, urban atheists who believe it's their duty to bring about Lenin's kingdom on Earth through the American Government.

Not too much has changed in 125 years, except the object of their worship.

[Chipwooder]

Indeed. They're still religious fanatics, just ones that worship a different god.

[Hidebehindyourcause]

Trash, reading your comments I think I've followed a similar path. I'm still right-wing to a degree, but my (our) faith should not be forced upon others, particularly by government.

The non-aggression principle, and general libertarian values fit my personal much more than those of Republicans, particularly the socon ones.

Watching these guys on stage tonight, was really, really awful.

[Hidebehindyourcause]

"personal view" I meant to say. WTB edit button.

[Suthenboy]

* squints, scratches head*

Ok.

[OneOut]

You should pass that around and maybe the rest of us would know what you are talking about.

[Quincy.]

I purged?

[commodious spittoon]

Caught a few minutes of the debate on the drive home. Trump was babbling on about his healthcare proposals. How anyone, much less a plurality of GOP primary voters, finds this man anything but incoherent and loathsome, I can't imagine. Platitudinous twerp.

[Gray Ghost]

I hadn't listened to him that much in prior debates. He really is Republican base focus group Rain Man. I doubt he's even read the policy papers his staff's put on his site.

[John]

That says everything about the other candidates and nothing about the voters.

[commodious spittoon]

I guess we can take heart in his strong negatives. Other than the fact that it's going to put Hillary back in the White House.

[John]

I don't think so.

[Gray Ghost]

Holy hell is he deluded. Trump's going to negotiate peace in the MidEast?

[John]

Isn't that what every candidate says? And how is that any crazier than Hillary's reset button with Russia?

[Gray Ghost]

That was crazy too. At least Trump said it'd be the most difficult negotiation he's ever done.

[DenverJ]

It'll be UUUUUUGE!!!!

[Juvenile Bluster]

Lets just have all the candidates in a steel cage, any weapons allowed, last person standing wins.

And then we shoot the winner.

[LynchPin1477]

Something like this?

[Suthenboy]

Almost all of the criticisms I hear about Trump are warranted. Also, nearly every one of them apply to Obumbles but I never heard such a fury when he was running.

[Slammer]

A lot of the same people saying Trump would be a horrible president are the same people who said Obama would be a great president.

[Winston]

There are people who claimed that Obama was a liar who didn't believe is anything he said so he is a secret libertarian and now say the same about either Trump or Hillary.

[Suthenboy]

That is my point Slammer.

Yes Winston, there is a lot of delusion out there.

Not a single candidate for this office is anything but a monster.

[0x90]

Iraq 2, Electric Kim Jong Un.

[Quincy.]

Pyongang: Electric Boogaloo'Un

[Quincy.]

"Kasish proposes 'M*A*S*H' reboot."

[Gray Ghost]

Trump's got a great point on getting the Euros to pay for their own defense.

So, Kasich, we have the most powerful military the world's ever seen. We need to spend yet more money?

[LynchPin1477]

Bad stuff still happens, so it's obviously not powerful ENOUGH

[commodious spittoon]

You remember the last time America left the continent to its own devices?

[Suthenboy]

I think they are about to remake that movie. Different players, same plot.

[Gray Ghost]

With Syria as this version's Spanish Civil War.

[commodious spittoon]

I love it. You lot should write speculative historical fiction about it.

[Sevo]

Gray Ghost|2.25.16 @ 10:20PM|#
"Trump's got a great point on getting the Euros to pay for their own defense."

If you listen long enough, you'll get something you like. So long as you ignore that he contradicted it not two minutes before.

[MJGreen - Docile Citizen]

Precisely.

[DenverJ]

Well it is the Republican debates. Team Red loves them some military.

[0x90]

It's something I've suggested before; people debate about blowback, well, there's one way to know for sure if people want your presence -- ask them to them pay for it.

[SIV]

Anthony L. Fisher ?@anthonyLfisher 32s33 seconds ago

Psssst...Trump just called for fewer military entanglements. And he's gonna get the shit beat out of him for it.

Jeeze Fisher. Pay attention sometime. Trump is on top, in no small part, because he rejects foreign entanglements and interventionism. He's killing the neocon wing of the Republican Party and deserves much credit for doing so.

[John]

He is killing the culture warriors too. Have you seen the butt hurt from culture war journalists like Matt Walsh and half the people at PJ Media?

Trump is destroying the village to save it

[John]

How is Yvlesias a moron he seems to be proud of it.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/227610/

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

Who is this person (not Sadbeard, the one xe is talking about)? Do I really want to know?

[John]

He is a British author. He wrote Brideshead Revisted. The Daily Beast is a reference to the name of a fictional newspaper in one of his novels.

[Chipwooder]

The early 20th century British writer (and very much a man)?

[Heroic Mulatto]

Someone went to engineering school.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

Not just any engineering school... a land-grant engineering school! I had to take all of 1 literary focused class, and we spent half the semester studying the progression of the song "Tainted Love" through the decades.

[Brett L]

Fuck you. I had to do my engineering at the joint college for blacks and women. ( No seriously, FSU and FAMU have a joint engineering campus. FAMU is a HBCU and FSU used to be the Florida Women's College)

[Heroic Mulatto]

You don't like black women?

[commodious spittoon]

Naomi Campbell was the centerfold of the first Playboy I stole. It pretty much sealed my fate.

[Brett L]

I do. But I am not one. It was hard because I couldn't join any engineering societies except the honor society.

[Heroic Mulatto]

But I am not one.

I know a good doctor in Bangkok who could change that for you.

[Brett L]

"You mean I'm not black?!"
-Steve Martin

[Tejicano]

Another Tau Beta Pi? I guess this would happen here if anywhere...

[Tejicano]

Fuck Y'all.

Texas College of Mines (under new management)

[commodious spittoon]

What about the collage of Texan mines?

[__Warren__]

He was involved in the defense and evacuation of Crete. Also wrote a book.

[Gray Ghost]

Admittedly, I thought that too, for awhile. But I wasn't vain enough to share that with my Twitter feed.

Is Evelyn predominantly a woman's name?

[Juvenile Bluster]

It is.

[Gray Ghost]

Admittedly, I thought that too, for awhile. But I wasn't vain enough to share that with my Twitter feed.

Is Evelyn predominantly a woman's name?

[John]

Not back then. And I bet you a hundred dollars Yglesias say Lost in Translation and there is a joke about confusing him for a woman.

[Chipwooder]

What's most galling about this is that Yglesias has absolutely no work experience of any kind on which to base his career. He's never held a job of any kind other than blogger/journalist. He writes about the economy with no relevant experience or knowledge. Writes about foreign affairs, ditto. Health care, the law, etc etc. All he has is his alleged intellect and his bachelors in philosophy from Harvard, and yet, despite his credentials, he's actually an ignorant, poorly educated fool.

[John]

He is not even a good nerd. He is just pathetic

[Brett L]

John, you have to remember that he got a head injury. Some dude punched him in the back of the head "Polar bear hunting". I just keep reminding myself that he's earning a living even with a traumatic brain injury b

[John]

i do t think he ever had much brain to injure.

[Brett L]

Let's not try to look through the veil of retardation. Just an idiot making a living.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Is Evelyn predominantly a woman's name?

The Brits do Vivian as a dude's name too.

[Gray Ghost]

The South did Ashley for awhile. Do they still?

Weirded me out watching it, I kept trying to think of Vivian Leigh as Ashley. Which ties into your point a little, I guess HM.

[Chipwooder]

Not so much any more, but it still pops up now and then. The only guy at my very Southern preppy high school who didn't list his full name in our senior yearbook used his middle initial only because his middle name is Ashley. When I lived in rural Alabama a decade ago, I worked with a redneck named Ashley, too.

[ant1sthenes]

Well, there's Ashley Williams, in semi-recent American usage (albeit fictional).

[cavalier973]

I had uncles on both my father's and my mother's side of the family names "Jewell".

[Suthenboy]

Yglesias....or was that Weigel? Which one of those fuckwits tweeted that the nazis had great ideas it was just too bad about the genocide? I get all these pinko POS mixed up.

[Chipwooder]

Think that was Sad Beard

[John]

Yglesias. He is a nasty retard.

[commodious spittoon]

Yglesias.

What does that even mean? In the entire gamut of a political ideology there's doubtlessly certain cherry-pickable instances at least someone will find attractive, however gut-wrenching the rest of it is. It's not even worth getting up in arms about the tweet, except for the impish pride the guy takes in making a pretty tame observation. Hitler, apparently, liked dogs. Saying you like dogs despite Hitler's disposition is pretty dumb. Taking a pseudo-profound stand on the fact is just retarded.

[Rhywun]

I don't like dogs. Guess that makes me the anti-Hitler.

[commodious spittoon]

I don't even want to impute too much meaning to that tweet, because if he's being earnest it's about as retarded as being not a dog person expressly because you hate Hitler. Yglesias can't possibly be that dumb.

[Rhywun]

You'd be surprised.

[Quincy.]

Mohammed liked cats.

[Rhywun]

I also like cats because they're clean - except when they occasionally puke or "evacuate" on my carpet.

[Suthenboy]

No Rhywun. Liking dogs was his one, single redeeming quality therefore you are worse than Hitler.

[Chipwooder]

Only thing to get up in arms about is that the blithering idiot who wrote that gets published by mainstream outlets as some kind of pundit, or even expert.

But since you asked, Strength Through Joy was a pretty sweet program. The Nazis did some groundbreaking cancer research and discouraged smoking, which of course is one of the great evils of human existance. I'll bet they would have been big fans of thay whole locavore thing, too! So yeah, aside from the mass murder they weren't half bad.

[Gray Ghost]

So Rubio wanted to bomb in Libya even more than we did?

And if we stop spending on foreign entanglements, they'll go nuclear and that's bad?

Gah.

[0x90]

Basically, paternalism for the left is internal, while it is external for the right...

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

+1 Team America World Police

[John]

Not true. The left is all about saving the world. That impulse comes from Wilson. The right shares it sometimes but the left owns it.

[Trshmnstr, terror of the trash]

It comes from T. Roosevelt... the sociopath who enjoyed killing animals... and people

[John]

Who was the original Progressiveism

[Quincy.]

Over-under on nuclear war? I call 2021.

[Gray Ghost]

How soon, Quincy, do KSA and Iran overtly get nukes? That's the answer to your question, and it'll be 5-10 years from that point.

Or India/Pakistan if one really miscalculates.

Rubio is as wrong as wrong can be on Apple.

[Gray Ghost]

Now watch Cruz do the same stupid shit.

You can't do what Apple's saying.

Fuck Rubio. I'll vote Libertarian before I vote for that guy.

[Gray Ghost]

Goddamit, Cruz, that's what you have to do in order to unlock that phone.

Fuck! Can't these guys talk to someone in infosec before they start showing their ignorance?

[Quincy.]

The Saudis had them delivered from Pakistan last Tuesday. Russia is lighting one of off during the invasion of the Baltics. China is going to get a great explosive Patriotic Hardon over a stupid rock. The miscalculations are running amok.

[Gray Ghost]

See, I don't think the Saudis got them just now from the Pakistanis. I think they were getting them all along from them, as proof-of-concepts, so to speak.. Would you trust the Pakistanis to deliver them to you if you asked? If they didn't, what'll you do? Sue?

No, I want to believe they had them at the time they bought the CSS-1s from China. Using ex-Soviet nuclear material, and someone---maybe even ex-Soviet talent---to craft devices from that material.

Someone is going to pop our nuclear cherry, people will realize that Fallout isn't going to result when someone does, and the damned things will start to get used a lot more often.

Feels a lot like Tuchman's Guns of August up in here. Maybe it's listening to too much of Carlin's podcasts, and reading about the Anniversary of Verdun?

[Quincy.]

Feels a lot like Tuchman's Guns of August up in here.

The miscalculations are running amok.

[John]

Small men who are swept up by events rather than shaping them.

[Brett L]

Just remember that it was some sergeant without portfolio in the Soviet Army who stopped a nuclear exchange last time. The Top Men have been working on removing local control since then.

[Rhywun]

Funding a pol just means buying access - doesn't mean you agree with them or anything.

[John]

That is true. Rather than asking about Trump giving money they need to be asking the rest of them about the money they are taking. I would love to ask Rubio about the meeting he had with all of the Bush donors.

[Rhywun]

Ah, pile on Apple time. Now is the time when I hate every person on the stage. More.

[Gray Ghost]

Really disappointing for Cruz. He barely backpedaled away, but I don't believe he believes it.

What was Rand Paul's position on Apple's encryption?

[Rhywun]

I think this issue is going to blow up in everybody's faces. If the FBI gets what it wants, you can basically kiss the American mobile technology sector good-bye. No savvy person - and no corporation - is going to purchase compromised devices.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Rand Paul is 100% against forcing Apple to do anything that jeopardizes the privacy of its users.

[Rhywun]

Who?

[0x90]

There's no trick to unlocking a single phone, it's just a simple trick.

[commodious spittoon]

One simple trick?

[Chipwooder]

No, one weird rule

[DenverJ]

Those white guys still arguing? Has the black guy woken up yet?

[0x90]

So, you put a wall along the whole border... the land border... what about the coast?

[__Warren__]

No Mexican has ever successfully operated a boat.

[Brett L]

I mean, that one guy got accused of cannibalism.

[commodious spittoon]

Cubans do it just fine, and they're kissing cousins of Mexicans. That's how it works, right?

[John]

Yeah and Puerto Ricans too. Everyone knows how close Cubans and Puerto Ricans are.

[Gray Ghost]

It's hilarious: Cruz and Rubio are losing the Hispanic vote to Trump! What gives?! Aren't they Hispanics too?

Well no shit, a bunch of Latin Americans and Mexicans don't think much of Cubans. They probably think Salvadoreans and Guatamalans get along too. Never mind Indios within both of those countries getting along with their ruling classes.

It's just so typical. Next, they'll wonder why 1st generation African immigrants and American blacks don't usually get along.

[Slammer]

C.D. Sutherland ?@Thecdsutherland

Jeb's best performance. #GOPDebate

[Brett L]

Dear Reason:

My wife, after margarita night tonight picked up your most recent print issue and started reading it. I think we may be developing a female libertarian. If she remembers what she read tomorrow. Otherwise it may be a SF fever dream.

[0x90]

Rubio's got the ears of a 97 year-old.

[0x90]

Cruz looks like a Ren & Stimpy character.

[0x90]

Trump's hair is merging with his forehead.

[John]

Was he having a Pna Colada at Trader Vic's?

[__Warren__]

Poon-a?

[John]

His hair was perfect.

[Gray Ghost]

All his Wall Street wiles won't help him even slightly.

[Will Nonya]

I liked the part where Kasich said "What's with all this transparency. What we need are backroom deals and coercion of citizens."

[Winston]

He's Jonathan Rauch?

http://reason.com/reasontv/201.....-big-money

[SIV]

Fruit Salad of Life ?@petersuderman 9m9 minutes ago

Insiders say Rubio won the debate.

Insiders: Is there anything they haven't gotten completely totally wrong in this race?

[John]

These are the same people who after nominating McCain and Romney the last two elections think the way to keep people from supporting Trump is to tell them he is not a real conservative.

They are retarded SIV. I mean like own the night and rip your lungs out for a piece of cake retarded.

[__Warren__]

Well Rubio is an anagram of I orb U. And you know what that means!

[0x90]

I rob ur orb, bro...

[Quincy.]

Better funding for NASA?

[Notorious UGCC]

The letters in "Marco Rubio" can be arranged to learn revealing things about him

"Curia broom" - He'll become Pope
"Ciao bro rum" - He'll ban booze again
"Air boom cur" - Who let the dogs out?
"A Curb I Moor" - We *warned* you Obama's opponents were racists
"Coma Rub I Or" - Wow, that's *nasty*

[Notorious UGCC]

Let's try "Donald Trump"...oh, dear, "Dad Lump Torn."

You know who else had a torn Dad lump?

[Notorious UGCC]

The letters in "Rafael Edward Cruz" can be rearranged to spell

"Crawdad Real Furze"
"Warfare Lazed Curd"
"Careful Redraw Adze"
"A Crazed Dwarf Lure"

[Notorious UGCC]

"John Kasich" is "A Chink Josh"

[Notorious UGCC]

"Benjamin Solomon Carson" can be rearranged to say

"MONSOON MINERALS CAN JOB"
"NORMAN SEMICOLONS BANJO"
"NINE ALSO-RAN COMMONS JOB"
"ROMANISM COON NOBLES JAN"

Fuck, anagrams are racist and bigoted!

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[SIV]

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[commodious spittoon]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

Christ, what a maroon. And what an admission, for anyone with any sense at all, that Trump is not remotely serious about reigning in government growth or dealing with healthcare spending. He admitted that he's only concerned with trimming around the margins; but the bulk of spending is legitimate, and the cost inflation is a consequence of its legitimacy. Claiming that he'll ferret out enough waste, fraud, and abuse to seriously shrink healthcare spending, let alone the rest of government, is patently unserious.

[Winston]

So he is a conservative Republican after all...

[coloraDOOM]

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[Suell]

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