Beer

The Beer Revolution

The U.S. now has more active breweries than ever before.

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In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits drinking.
Miskatonic Brewing Company

I knew we were in the middle of a craft beer revolution, but I didn't realize just how big it had become: Dominic Lynch reports in The Federalist that the number of commercial brewing operations in America has just "surpassed the historical high-water mark of 4,131 active breweries, which was set in 1873." As of 2016, he writes, "75 percent of American adults over 21 live within 10 miles of a local brewery. In hard numbers, that's 231.6 million Americans who have a brewery nearby."

Lynch's article explores both the art and the economics of microbrewing; he writes about once-small brands that have partnered with big companies, and he writes about enterprises that don't care about operating on the Budweiser level "because the only market they're interested in dominating is the one in their backyard." If you're interested at all in the subject, you should read the whole thing.

Bonus links: Small brewers still have to contend with the heavy hand of the corporate state, and Reason has been covering their regulatory struggles for years. For some samples, go here, here, and here. And to read about Jimmy Carter's role in liberating American beermakers—no, I don't mean Billy—go here.

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  1. A beer thread? 500 posts, minimum.

    1. “Comments”, too. 498 to go.

      1. If we keep a running count, it’ll go by fast. (496)

        1. “99 comments about beer on the wall, 99 comments about beer…”

        2. We’re nearly halfway there!

    2. And half of them will be posters attempting to impress the board with their beer hipster cred. Yes, yes we get it: you’re all sick of IPA’s, and you hated them way before everyone else did.

      On that note, I went to Neshaminy Creek last Saturday and the beer was quite awesome. Highly recommended for anyone in metro Philly.

      1. Yes, I have always hated IPAs. I’ll go for a lovely Flanders Red Ale if you don’t mind.

        1. I don’t see the need to discriminate. I’ll have a red ale before and after two different IPAs.

        2. I hated them before they became popular.

      2. I like IPAs and don’t care who knows it.

        1. Why do people hate IPA’s?

          1. Some people don’t like the taste of hops very much. I can stand most lighter styles of beer, but most IPA’s are about as appealing to me as drinking thinned out earwax. Even with less hoppy bears, I’ll still take a bad cider to a good beer any day.

            1. less hoppy bears

              Those hoppy ones might actually be rabbits?

            2. *hoppy beers. something something edit button

              I have no preference to how hoppy my bears are. Bear’s body, bear’s choice.

            3. Well that’s a good reason not to like them. A lot of people seem to take them as a personal affront. Or some kind of hipster conspiracy.

              1. My issue is over doing it with hops. It should be part of the flavor, not THE flavor.

                1. The wonderful thing is that if you think it’s overdone, you don’t have to buy it.

                  1. You’re overdone and dry!

          2. Everyone makes tons of IPAs so they’ve saturated the market and a lot of people don’t like how everything is an IPA now.

            1. And I loooooove how everything is an IPA now. Moving out west limits some variety I used to have back east. I miss Troeggs, Weyerbacher, and Saranac. The ubiquity of Sierra Nevada, Stone, and Lagunitas doesn’t fully make up for it. I can’t believe I used to like Yeungling.

              1. Me too.

                But it’s not as if there aren’t thousands of good not super hoppy beers available as well. It’s so funny how people seem to take the proliferation of IPAs personally. They exist because people buy them, presumably because they like them.

                1. The proliferation of IPA is offensive because it robs us beer drinkers of a lot of variety that we would have enjoyed if everyone wasn’t in a race to the bottom of creating the most XTREME SPORTS FUCK YOU UP MEGA IBU shite. I mean, how many ales can we support when 90% of them are indistinguishable?
                  I live in Seattle, and other than actual bottle shops, the beer variety on store shelves is easily 70% IPA or “NW ALE” which is essentially the same over hopped mess.

            2. I noticed more selection of porters and stouts at one of my local shops recently.

          3. Because they’re whiny lil bitches about some tasty bitter hops in their lives, duh.

        2. Same here … and I’ve liked pale ales since I made my first one forty-four years ago.

          If there’s one thing worse than a hipster, it’s an anti-hipster. Get offa my lawn.

      3. I think the International Photography Awards have gone to shit too

        1. Not to mention the International Phonetic Alphabet…Damn the squirrels! I tried to submit something in (my) IPA and the server was rude:

          ‘Your comment does not appear to be written in an English script. Please comment in English.’

          Damn bigots!

    3. I’ve been home brewing since, well – my misspent college days.

  2. Is Miskatonic Brewing actually in Lovecraft Country?

      1. So you’re claiming that R’lyeh is not in Illinois? It is where Nikki is at, you know?

        And Nikki is probably short for Nyarlathotep.

        Nyarlathotep, the “Crawling Chaos”, is the avatar and soul of the Outer Gods, and serves as an intermediary between the deities of the pantheon and their cults. The only Outer God to have a true personality, Nyarlathotep possesses a malign intellect and reveals a mocking contempt for hiser masters.

        1. You forgot to mention that Lovecraft also described Nyarlathotep as “SO the worst.”

    1. I went looking if anyone’s named a beer “Mudder’s Milk”. Some drinks and tshirts but no beer.

    1. Also:
      Idaho State Police propose new growler law this is a thing.

      BOISE, Idaho (AP) ? Idaho State Police ask Legislature to change sate growler law. They want a new rule about how the beer containers are sealed at the time of sale.

      KBOI-TV reports (http://is.gd/TMgRyS ) the state police are concerned about retailers sending their customers out the door with what is considered an open container under Idaho law.

      The jump of popularity of the large beer containers is what prompted the request for legislation.

      The idea is to have an official tape-seal over every growler cap when it is sold, displaying that the container is in fact sealed.

      ISP estimates the new seals would cost about 10 cents a growler.

      1. Really??? How about just presume that it is closed?

        1. I think* that the ISP would be selling the seals, so revenue stream.

          *Anecdotal, don’t have a link.

          1. Also anecdotal, but I think* that the ISP would be selling the seals, would indicate to me that the seals would cost about $1.50 a growler if that were true.

        2. How about cops using probable cause to pull a motorist over? You know erratic driving, swerving,etc.
          Then it really wouldn’t matter if the motorist were drunk, texting, masturbating, high on PCP, asleep at the wheel, eating a taco, flipping the radio station, looking at a map, daydreaming or an Asian woman.

          1. Yeah, between probable cause and a breathalyzer, the growler tag would be 1000% useless. Except as a revenue stream.

            1. …and Capitalism is evil, because, profits! [lets see, revenue minus costs equals profits. But math is hard!]

      2. Around here they just use masking tape with the time it was poured written on it. Much cheaper.

        I don’t know what the big deal is (beyond fuck you, pay me): it’s not like you’re going to be drinking from a growler while driving. They’re rather unwieldy.

      3. How about just getting rid of the open container law?

    2. Pub crawl on a bus

  3. Slovenian town goes ahead with beer fountain plan

    A small Slovenian town is pressing ahead with plans to build a fountain which spouts beer instead of water, despite opposition from some councillors.

    The project in Zalec, which is known for its hop plantations, is being described as the first beer fountain in Europe, and has made headlines in neighbouring Croatia and further afield in Serbia.

    1. There are wine fountains in Spain, so why not a beer fountain?

      Or a cider fountain?

      1. There are fountains of Wayne in New Jersey.

  4. I have a can of Sam Adams nitro beer in my fridge someone gave me. I haven’t tried it yet. It’s a can, which is of course so lowbrow that I might as well put car parts in my yard and wear male Daisy Dukes and stained beater. But I’m ni-curious how it’s going to flow.

    1. Oh quit your self-pitying. Canned beer nowadays tastes better than bottled. That’s my opinion and is 100% truth.

      1. Check out Mr. Hipster over here.

        1. Sculpin yesterday, Sculpin today, Sculpin para siempre.

          1. But was it pineapple Sculpin?

            *sips hard to find pineapple Sculpin*

            1. Jesse likes the fruity beer!

              1. They say that too much pineapple sculpin makes you want to shove a pineapple right up your bunghole!

                /shifts uncomfortably in chair

                1. /shifts uncomfortably in chair

                  Do you need help with that?

                  *wiggles eyebrows lasciviously*

              2. It was a decent beer to drink while the Santa Anas are blowing and it feels like summer. I’m mostly happy I could find it while Playa and Doyers couldn’t though.

                It was worth it just for that.

          2. Sculpin is great for skiing because it comes in cans. The only shitty part is I have to finish my beer before getting off the chairlift because THOSE ARE THE RULES OF SKIING.

            1. What kind libertarian are you with this rule following?

              1. Look, I’m the best skier on the mountain and I get to make the rules. Now huck that cliff you pussy!

            2. You need a flask and bottle of Angel’s Envy.

              1. Tactical Nuclear Penguin or Sink the Bismarck. Okay, just stick to whiskey.

              2. Angel’s Envy rye, aka nectar from the gods.

                1. Fucking need some BBD rum. Wrap your lips around that baybee!

      2. Yeah. I’m a big fan of good beer in cans. I don’t know if it’s better necessarily, but it’s more convenient.

        And drinking out of the bottle is just as low brow as drinking out of a can.

      3. Cigar City proved that to me.

    2. Cans aren’t necessarily lowbrow unless you pee in them when you’re done.

      1. and then go back to the can for seconds…

        1. Depending on what you’re drinking, that may be an honest mistake.

    3. Okay so far everyone responding to me here is an idiot. Let’s see if we can class my thread up a little with new blood.

      1. Some great beer companies do canning now because cans don’t taste bad anymore, do a better job of protecting against light, and are cheaper.

        It’s not my fault you’re living in the 1980’s, grandpa.

        1. When Coors started brewing Keystone , the theme was ‘bottled beer taste in a can’, and it was actually true.

          The beer was totally unremarkable, but the special lining did, in fact, not have any can taste.

          Maybe that is ubiquitous now?

          1. “The beer was totally unremarkable”

            False. Keystone is remarkably terrible.

            1. Everything PA sucks like Santorum.

              1. …or Sandusky.

        2. Here bottles are a no non when floating the rivers…thus numerous breweries canning beer locally.

      2. If it’s good enough for Dale’s, it’s good enough for me.

      3. You should always drink out of a room temperature glass anyways.

          1. CJ, it is not my fault that you think a jelly jar is the proper drink-ware for coffee, spirits, wine and beer, you uncouth heathen.

    4. I have a bottle of that Sam Adams Triple Bock. The stuff in the small blue bottle. Back when it was made, there was anchor steam, Sierra Nevada and maybe a few others. Pretty amazing.
      Even Texas is getting in on it despite its crony capitalist distribution laws.

      1. Knowing that I appreciate unusual brews, a friend gave me a bottle of Sam Adams Triple Bock once. It was a foul brew and was one of the two beers that I have ever poured down the drain in forty-five years of beer-drinking. The other was a microbrew from New York state that had gone bad.

        I don’t know about the entire state, but North Texas has lots of good microbrews.

        1. See what we had to put up with back then? I remember it tasting like grapenuts mixed with molasses.

        2. St. Arnold is great except that the average ABV is about 9%, so you drink a six pack of cans and you’re waaay more drunk than you expected.

          1. Houston is Upper Texas Coast. Jes sayin.

    5. Cans are great for Beer. Light kills beer. Cans also reduce the cost of transport, and are easy to recycle.

      1. Also if you like to drink Beer of draft you are getting you Beer out of a really big can. =D

  5. Yeah…. but I can’t get a growler filled at one brewery if it has the label of another brewery…. by law…..

    1. Own any paint?

    2. What state? That’s even legal here in fucknut Kentucky.

      1. I doubt it’s law, but it’s a fairly common practice in NJ among the brewpub restaurants.

        1. Never had a problem here. I guess they just like my money.

      2. fucknut Kentucky

        Are you down in Harlan, Boyd?

        1. The whole state is fucknut. We have dry counties still. Couldn’t buy anything on Sunday until just a few years ago, still can’t buy anything before 1pm because of Jesus.

          But at least we don’t have state stores.

          1. Oh, I know…

            I’m in Hardin, which is still technically dry (Moist). A town can vote to allow by the drink, or package sales, but the county proper is dry.

            1. Ah, another Kentuckian. This means we must fight to the death, like Highlander.

              1. But with tabacco knives.

            2. Heh my inlaws live in Vine Grove

              1. Very small world.

          2. “But at least we don’t have state stores”. You mean, at least you’re not in Utah.

          3. And Liquor Barn and Party Source have a yummy snacks section.

      3. California, the Mecca of San Diego

        1. If it were company policy, I’d get it…. but it’s law.

        2. Umm, I don’t think that’s true anymore. Moonbeam signed off on changes in growler law in 2013 that make it more liberal than many other states I’ve been to.

          The bill ends confusion over the rules for filling the big beer jugs. For a long time, the ABC inisted that the law said breweries could only fill growlers bearing their own distinctive logo. Then earlier this year, ABC revised its reading of the law to allow outside growler fills, either generic jugs or ones with logos of rival breweries, but the requirements were kind of hazy ? did you have to eradicate the old label, or could you just cover it up with, say, a brown paper bag? Because of the confusion, many breweries stuck with the old policy and refused to refill outside growlers.

          The new bill makes it more explicit: Breweries can fill any growler, but they do have to cover up any old label in at least a semi-permanent way (most people are opting to wrap it with an opaque plastic tape rather than use paint or wield a scraper to remove the old logo) and they have to affix a new tag or label to say exactly what kind of beer is in the bottle.

          1. It really says something about California when Moonbeam is the voice of reason.

            1. He’s occasionally very right on a few things. Retarded clock and all.

            2. He’s been surprisingly good about signing/encouraging bills that curb ABC retardation. He also signed off on an urgency clause to stop the ABC from going after bars doing infusions in 2011, which had been outlawed during Prohibition and never enforced until hipsters cranked up the craft cocktail movement.

          2. I’ll print this out and take it with me next time I go.

      4. When Minnesoda finally got its law passed to allow growler sales on Sunday (no other liquor sales though) the tap rooms were refusing to fill growlers from other places.

        I’ve heard that a lot of them have relented and now will fill an outside growler.

  6. I know you libertarians are just Republicans who want to drink beer, but someone has to make sure people can’t drink beer and drive.

    In a perfect world, maybe, legalizing beer consumption would work, but once you libertarians grow up, you’ll realize that in the real world your theories are just theories.

    1. Ken,I like to drink beer listen to Steely Dan.

      1. i have an image of a guy drinking from a Bud can and sticking a dildo in his ear.

      2. I like to drink ale and eat bangers & mash.

    2. In theory, you are correct.

    3. No some of want to have ass sex with dirty mexicans too

  7. Who needs 5,000 varieties of beer?

    – the Bern

    1. Hmm, a lot of Bernie supporters I know do love them some craft beer.

      1. Me too. That could be an actual campaign issue.

        1. One of us needs to crash a rally so we can ask him if he feels the same way about beer as he does deodorant.

          1. CPA: Mr. Sanders, how many varieties of beer would be permitted under your administration.

            Sanders: It’s a crime that a full growler costs more than $3.

            Crowd cheers wildly.

            Sanders (whispers to CPA): pwned, motherfucker.

    2. I’d have to say Bern fans would take the buy local tack. They would even be cool with 5000 kinds of deodorant if they were organic and made from locally gown natural herbs. Well until they found out that it was a Native American recipe and you know, cultural appropriation ‘n’ all.

  8. There’s a beer place right across from my apartment. I was lucky enough to get a growler of Liefman’s for Christmas. I’ll have to see what they have on tap soon.

  9. Got a session ale and a pumpkin ale on tap, with a dark lager in primary. This warm winter meant I got started late on the lagers. Oh well.

    1. Recently bottled a chocolate stout braggot and a dark strong braggot (Belgian dark strong ale grain bill). Should be ready to drink by summer.

      1. I really want to do something with chili peppers. I’m thinking a hefeweizen that bites the back of your throat.

        1. I’ve only had one mead with peppers in it that I liked. Otherwise, I don’t like peppers in my booze.

          1. I pour hot sauce on practically everything, so I’m sure I’d like a spicy beer.

    2. Tried a pumpkin ale and absolutely flubbed it. Too much cinnamon, I think, and too much pumpkin in the mash. Turned out bitter and thick, and not pleasantly so.

      On the other hand, I’ve made a standard bitter using Wyeast 1318 that is effin’ sublime. Nice malt character, very session-friendly, and the Boddington’s yeast combines with the Kent Goldings to give this slightly fruity, slightly herbal aftertaste. This is the second batch I’ve made and I’m already almost out after a week. Once I get a kegging setup going this will be one of my house beers.

      1. This pumpkin ale came out fabulous. The five pounds of canned pumpkin stuck the sparge up terribly, so bad that I had to stir it. And pumpkin bits that made it through made it awfully cloudy. But I have a filtering rig that fixed that right up. For spices I used whole cardamom, clove, and cinnamon that I ground up with a mortar and pestle. Got the spice balance perfect. The keg is getting light though.

        For the most part I just use Safale US-05 and Saflager S-23, unless I’m doing something like a wheat beer. Those yeasts are clean and reliable.

  10. I’m drinking…coffee.

    1. Just had a nice espresso.

    2. Sierra Nevada made a decent coffee stout. I like variety and while many suck, this one was decent.

  11. And we still cannot make a good lager.

    1. Believe it or not, but American lager is one of the most difficult styles of beer to make. Because there is so little flavor in it, everything has to be perfect, or the mistake sticks out like a sore thumb. Especially the balance between hops and malt. There is a lot of wiggle room with and IPA for example, because there’s a ton of flavor there. But making American lager, that is a challenge.

        1. Mich Ultra, actually.

            1. Not for nuttin’ but Mich Ultra Amber actually has a decent flavor for having the same calorie count as water.

              1. Why are you watching your calories? GIRL

        2. Personally, I find Yuengling a decent workhorse in the category.

          1. I like their Porter. When I was in college, I loved their lager, but it tastes different to me now. It tastes vaguely “pukey” for lack of a better term.

      1. I’m not a beer drinker and even I know “Hard to make” != “Good”.

        1. I never said that it did.

      2. I bought an IPA by mistake the other day. It was intended to be a lager for cooking but instead it just ruined my dish.

        1. With the exception of beer batter, I’m really not a fan of using beer in food. Hops belong in what you wash the food down with, not the food itself.

          1. You’re missing out–braising beef chuck or shin or oxtails with a dark beer like a porter makes an excellent pot roast or stew.

            1. Linenkuegel fruity beers are only acceptable as cooking aids, because…*shudder*

          2. Beer in brats in a cast iron skillet.

        2. I put a splash of IPA in some chili once. It tasted awful, because IPAs taste awful.

          1. Not necessarily. The problem is that people have gotten out of control with the hops in IPA. When they were first introduced, it was a nice way of creating an interesting flavor. Now, too many makers are substituting craft for “how much hops can I possibly shove into this beer?”.

            1. Agreed. Over hopping ruins a lot of craft beers.

            2. A year ago I’d have told you I can’t get enough hoppy beer. Lately I’ve come back around to appreciating a good malt, and beer I was drinking last summer tastes like grass and cat pee to me now (Flying Dog I’m lookin’ at you). I think hoppy beer has become like wing sauce. Some people are just seeing how much hop character they can jam in a beer without thinking about the overall flavor.

            3. The problem is that people have gotten out of control with the hops in IPA. When they were first introduced, it was a nice way of creating an interesting flavor preserving beer for transport by sail from England to India which is why they are called India Pale Ales.

              FTFY

              1. Okay, okay, re-introduced in the 1990s. Better?

          2. There British IPAs and American IPA. They are quite different to my taste. IPA have an extremely wide flavor spectrum.
            But beer in chili does seem like a bad idea. Talk about adding fuel to the ass of fire.

      3. I piss out better beer than Bud,Coors and Miller

      4. Lager is also more expensive to make than ale because of the longer brewing and conditioning. There is less opportunity to hide a poor recipe with extra hopping.

        1. True. An ale can be in the bottle in just a week or two after starting the batch, whereas a lager takes more like a month or two.

      5. It tastes like lite IPA to me. What is so difficult about that?

      6. a ton of flavor there

        Proof that quantity != quality.

  12. Reason’s optimism is so out of proportion to the situation on the ground that soon I expect to be hearing the the entire American population has switched to green tea.

    Which Reason will then interpret as a hopeful rejection of the mainstream beer industry and actually good news for craft beer, etc.

    1. What exactly is the situation on the ground that reason is out of touch with in this case?

      1. The anthill situation on the ground.

      2. Eddie’s just mad ’cause he spilled his last bottle of Leinenkugel.

        1. I laughed at that, and I have no idea what Leinenkugel is.

          1. It’s a slight step in the beer direction from a Mike’s Hard Lemonade

            1. Hey! Used to drink Leinie’s Bock mid 70’s at college. $4.40 a case, plus deposit. If cash was tight you could get Hauenstein for $3.65 a case.

            2. Oh, is that the brand that makes Radler?

      3. I was using what we earthlings call humor, as in “what if the beer situation was as bad as the libertarian situation from Reason’s perspective? They’d still be in denial.”

  13. My favorite beers,Sam Adams lager,Sam Adams cream stout ,Samuel Smith oat meal stout and Guinness I’m also a fan of porters.Had one years ago called Coal Porter,unfiltered.It was very good,can’t get it here though.

  14. surpassed the historical high-water mark of 4,131 active breweries, which was set in 1873.

    think about this for a second. In 1873 there were only 38 million people living in America. So as a percentage of the population, there were a fuck ton of breweries back in the day.

    1. Makes sense. Since it was much harder to transport goods for long distances then, most towns of a decent size had a brewery to supply the locals. Once transportation started to improve, breweries faced more competition and started to consolidate.

      1. I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation, and yours sounds pretty excellent. It’s just something I’m noting. Like in 1873, there was a brewery on every corner, and a beer in every pot.

        1. Refrigeration wasn’t invented until the 1880s or so, so you couldn’t preserve it that well.

    1. *without clicking the link*

      Pabst! Blue! Ribbon!

      That is one messed up movie.

    2. Heineken in Europe is tasty. The shit they sell here is either a different recipe or spoils before it gets off the boat.

      1. I like the Heineken they sell here, it’s my fav. You must be buying old beer or something, it is in green bottles, so it can spoil if left on the shelf too long.

        1. It is just madly bitter. I always laugh when some beer snob is all about his triple hopped hipster IPA but then claims to hate Heineken. I don’t like it either but I don’t like IPAs and bitter beers.

          1. Heineken is not bitter at all. Becks is bitter. Pilsner urquell is bitter. Heineken along with Stella Artois is a very smooth lager. Not bitter at all. IPAs are extemely bitter, which is why I don’t like them.

            1. I find it incredibly bitter. Bitter to the point of tastelessness. And I like Becks and Pilaster Urquell. I guess everyone’s taste pallet is different.

              1. You’re the only person I have ever heard say that, about Heineken being bitter. Most people say they think it tastes skunky and I have to assume they’re buying beer that has sat on the shelf for too long.

                1. Skunky is a good word for it too. I guess it is a question of how you define bitter.

                2. Heineken has no taste, it only has after-taste. And it does skunk real easy.

                  Green bottles are the devil.

                  1. Smithwick’s is an okay green bottle beer. Rolling Rock is terrible and forgotten.

                3. Heineken=skunky in my experience.

                  1. Heineken tastes pissy to me. Like Rolling Rock.

            2. Lo brow.

              1. I haven’t had any of that in a long time. I like it!

            3. I like radicchio and fris?e (chicory), so even my salads are hipster.

        2. I’ve never had a Heineken in the US that didn’t taste like a skunk’s ass. But when I was in Paris two years ago it was basically all I drank, beerwise. Hell, I even figured I was selling it short so I tried it at a few different bars when I got back: same problem.

          It also tastes like shit out of those cool mini-kegs they sell. I’m convinced they save the bad batches for the US market. Lousy Eurotrash.

          1. I have had the same experience. To me it tastes bitter. But skunked is a good description for it as well.

            1. Skunked and bitter are not the same thing at all. Your taste buds are fried, John. You been drinking that Budweiser shit? If so, that’s what’s happened, (:

              1. That is what happens when you start drinking straight whiskey at age 13.

            2. Skunk has to do with your beer getting a bad yeast infection.

          2. You have to do the mini kegs right. I take a big metal pot almost as high as the keg and bigger around and sit it in there, and then fill it with ice and put in the fridge until it’s chilled to less than 40 F. Then pour out the first glass, which won’t be too much foam if you chilled it like I recommend. Then it’s fucking great, but still not as good as bottles. Bottled Heineken is my favorite beer. It’s been at least 15 years since I bought any Heineken that was skunky and that was in podunk fly over country.

      2. Pilsner Urquell has the same problem: good in Czech but I gave up buying it here because half the ones I bought locally were almost skunky.

        1. That stuff is mana from heaven in Czech. I could drink it by the gallon over there.

        2. I had some in Hungary and it was excellent. Tried it back here and spit it out.

        3. It’s good, just a little on the bitter side.

        4. That is basically what I try to emulate when I make lager at home. Haven’t nailed it yet, but what I’ve done has come out really fucking good.

        5. There was a restaurant in the area that had it on tap (it unfortunately closed before I’d developed a taste for beer). A friend of mine who’d been to the Czech Republic swore up and down that the stuff this restaurant carried was identical to the stuff he’d had in Prague, but the bottled stuff was almost always skunky. I’m assuming it’s a bottling issue.

    3. Shitty beer but they have such beautiful women in their ads. I know this woman is a red head and thus has no soul, but I just don’t care.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kbHzJ5dQI

      1. The only thing that will ruin your life more than beer, is beer and a ginger.

        1. That hipster bastard in that commercial is headed to his doom. But you know you are just as jealous of him as I am.

        2. This is untrue. I drink beer with my ginger every weekend and it is fantastic.

          (filled with deep sense of foreboding)

  15. Um yes but why are you writing about it as if it were a good thing? Beer is fucking disgusting.

    1. Beer is fucking disgusting.

      !!!

      Did your parents get run over by a beer truck or something?

      1. Lol actually my father was an alcoholic.

        But don’t feel bad my hatred is not reserved merely for beer, I find all alcohol to have an especially abhorrent taste and beer is second only to wine in how bad it tastes

        1. That is the most tragic thing I have heard in a long time Rasillo. I can’t imagine what it must be like for you to have to go through life sober. I wish there were anything I could say other than how sorry I am.

        2. It’s an acquired taste. Maybe better for you that you didn’t acquire it. I would have been better off myself as I tend to overindulge in the stuff. Had to give it up for a while to lose weight. 200 calories a bottle for the stuff that actually has a taste, all carbs.

          1. Yes, my family history of alcoholism is one of the reasons I never bothered to try and acquire a taste for it, and yes sometimes it REALLY sucks having to go through life sober

          2. I gotta say however, one of the biggest problems when I was younger was being the default designated driver. Nothing worse than being a young socially awkward geek being dragged out to clubs by your “friends” because you don’t drink

    2. I love the stuff myself. Too much. That’s why I’ve stopped drinking it for a while, I have to lose 30 lbs and it’s the only way.

    3. Beer is Hops are fucking disgusting.

      Gueuze is just fine.

      1. Sours and wild sours are getting their due. It’s nice to have a wide variety.

        1. ^This^

          On that note, Boulevard’s Love Child No. 3 is fantastic.

      2. I think that’s the minority opinion. I think it’s all just fine.

    4. Can I have your share then?

  16. Totally OT, but I’m sure this is already news here. I haven’t been around too much, too busy with work.

    Does anyone know what’s going on with this:

    SUNY Albany women attacked on bus

    Sounds like Hillary already jumped on this band wagon. I’m unclear as to what actually happened and how true it is, or not.

    1. On January 30, three, black female UAlbany students said they were attacked by nearly a dozen white UAlbany students on a CDTA bus. They claimed racial slurs were yelled at them, and they were kicked and punched.

      Officials, including the Albany County DA, are looking at security video from inside the bus. The bus had at least 12 cameras on it, which include audio. Sources tell NEWS10 ABC the video is damaging the young women’s accusations.

      Puts on shocked face.

      1. Sources tell NEWS10 ABC the video is damaging the young women’s accusations.

        In other news, the Panthers’ loss last Sunday to the Broncos was “damaging to their chances at winning this year’s title”. You have to love how they soft peddle this.,

        1. Yeah, God forbid they say the video “contradicts” or even, my God, “falsifies” their bullshit story.

  17. And to read about Jimmy Carter’s role in liberating American beermakers?no, I don’t mean Billy?go here.

    The only decent thing that jackass progtard donk ever did.

    1. He also deregulated the airlines and oil and gas industry. It is great fun to mention that whenever some Prog is going on about Saint Jimmy. None of them have any idea he did those things and they are all convinced the economy was great until that evil Reagan deregulated everything.

    2. Didn’t he also deregulate airlines and trucking?

    3. Yes, but he did it for the good of his brother, not the good of the country.

  18. OT: For those brewing in the Flint area – USDA will temporarily allow WIC funds to be used for lead-testing of area WIC recipients.

    http://content.govdelivery.com…..ns/135a6c3

  19. Is this thread hipster bait? Asking for a friend.

    1. Haven’t hipsters moved on from beer or is that just my wishful thinking?

      1. I’m not sure if I am a hipster or not but I press and make my own cider. It has more alcohol than beer (usually 8%) and less sugar, and it goes in 750mL wine bottles so it’s fancier, or something.

        1. Cider kicks ass, though it can give you a wicked hangover.

          1. It’s the sugar, right? I was wondering about this. I think the sweet stuff gets me the most.

            1. I am not sure. I think it is the higher alcohol content combined with the carbonation. Champagne is renown for giving terrible hangovers, though I never get those.

              1. Sugar and dehydration are what make hang-overs bad.

                A big glass of water before passing out can severely curb a hang-over.

                Bourbon and Branch means no hang-over (unless you puke your eyes out).

                1. “Bourbon and Branch”

                  The name of my cats.

          2. I’ve never had a hangover from the cider I make. 7 to 8 percent alcohol, off-dry, and fizzy.

            1. You either make really good cider or just don’t drink enough of it or maybe both.

              1. I make really good cider. There is no such thing as enough cider.

            2. I also don’t get a headache from dry cider. The sweet ciders are usually commercially produced with artificial flavors and preservatives but it’s like the sugar that gives the hangover.

              1. From reading a few labels, it looks like commercial ciders use some base amount of apple juice, but blend in water, malic acid, and sugar to hit a consistent ABV target (around 5% from what I have seen). Then it is finished off with a lot of preservatives. Too many things to decide what causes hangovers.

        2. The best cider I’ve had is JK Scrumpy.

          1. Yes. Oh man… JK Scrumpy is my jam. I don’t get it often because my other (potentially better) half isn’t a huge fan, though.

            1. My first. You never forget your first.

      2. Sometimes hipsters get things right. It’s a wonderful thing that lots of people want to start small, artisanal beer companies. If some of them are what you’d call “hipsters”, so be it.

  20. I enjoyed Fuller’s ESB Champagne Ale the other day.

    1. I am not ashamed to admit that I really like La Fin Du Monde and even like Labatte. Canuckistani beer is under appreciated.

      1. Canadian beer can be really good. We have our share of really good micros. Creemore out of Ontario is really good and Quebec has splendid beers with cool names.

        Personally, don’t like the big companies like Labatt or Molson. I guess for the same reasons people don’t like Bud or Coors.

        1. Labatte is not great. It just is better than the shitty light loggers they make over here. But Fin du Monde is good by any standard in my opinion.

      2. Who could possibly be ashamed of liking La Fin Du Monde? That’s madness!

        1. Agreed. That is in my top 10 beer list. Unibroue makes some good stuff.

          1. They are excellent purveyors of Belgian styles. One of the first. Better then Ommegang in my book.

  21. We live in a golden age of beer for sure. I can pick up a 6 pack of super duper awesome high-strength and delicious beer of my choice for less than bucks then go home and drink all of them. Then I wake up the next day with a splitting headache and look at the bottle and then notice the 9.8% ABV. Ouch, it’s nearly wine.

    Such wide availability of good beer at reasonable prices has cost me countless hours of productivity. Do I complain that we need common-sense hops regulation? NO! I accept that I am powerless before delicious craft brews and have to limit their availability in my home. I relish that I live in a time and place where one beer is enough, two beers is plenty, and the whole 6-pack is a bit too much fun. HUZZAH!

    Whiskey is pretty good too.

  22. Well great. Now I want a porter. Or some whiskey. … With blackjack! And hookers!

      1. It’s expensive is what it is.

        And my guy only deals with stuff that’s natural, maaaaaan.

        1. COKE IS NATURAL!!!!!

  23. OT: Not to shake my cane, but to shake my cane, the home should have ALWAYS been a luxury item.

    As finances and bad credit prevents homeownership for many, a single-family home may soon be considered a luxury item.

    Almost half of those people who don’t own a home said their financial situation is standing in the way, according to a report by Bankrate.com released Tuesday. Additionally, 29 percent said they can’t afford a down payment and 16 percent said their credit isn’t good enough to qualify for a mortgage.

    BTW, everything… EVERYTHING in that statement is called a market success.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/10…..-item.html

    1. The problem with owning a home is that it greatly reduces your mobility. You can’t just pick up and move because it takes time to sell your house. Home ownership is a terrible idea poor people and people on the financial edge. If you are poor, you need to be able to go where the job is and home ownership prevents that.

  24. Gordon Biersch. Not the shit in the stores, but at Gordon Biersh in Palo Alto. The Tide House in Mountain View has a great sampler.

    1. Not a fan of most of their stuff, but they do a black lager that’s pretty damn good.

  25. An old building sits on the edge of town with a hole cut through it. One my favorite females in the world works within the shadows. She works her fingers to the bone to get me any craft beer I want. I’ve pulled into that brick box countless times. On gloomy days of rain whipping through the glassy beer hall like bullets and afternoons thick with beady snow piling up on the edges where the rusty bricks meet broken asphalt. She is always there. With my beer.

    1. God bless you, AC. I love your posts, every time.

    2. If Agile doesn’t get his comments in the library of Congress, in one of those humidity-controlled cases for public viewing, we have failed as a nation.

  26. Goose Island beer is overrated horseshit.

    Lagunitas keeps offering more and more potent versions of their IPA constantly goading me into calling off work.

    Just doing my part to add to the comment count. That is all for now.

    1. Ommegang Rare Vous is some very good stuff. I am generally not an American beer guy but that is an exception.

      1. That looks like the east coast’s Russian River Brewing Company. Their main thing is Pliny the Elder. And they have a decent following.

        1. I will have to give that one a shot. Ommegang makes several good beers but Rare Vous is my favorite.

          1. You are right, John. It is also a nice place to visit.

        2. Pliny will make half of the IPA haters on this thread change their minds. I visited RRB in August and shipped two cases of Pliny, Blind Pig, Consecration and Supplication back to Texas.

          1. I disagree. If you hate a style, tautology. Like wine, if you hate Riesling, you aren’t going to try it.
            Pliny is a beautifully hopped beer and hard to find. It’s acolytes snap it up, which is good. In the world of wine for example, status-conscious Asians drive up the price of famous varietals such as Pouilly Fuisse or Crozes-Hermitage because well they’re famous. While I am pro free markets, ignorant consumers are still annoying.

  27. whats the per capita percentage though. based on breweries per no. of people is still low

  28. There are also a ton of “breweries” that make their own beer but can’t distribute it because of arcane laws. I think the last batch of companies to make big distribution networks slipped through while the door was closing. So this golden age may not last, alas.

    1. They inability to ship across state lines by mail is a huge hindrance.

      1. Some in California can only sell their beer in their own restaurant.

        1. That is true in every state I have been to. It is absurd.

        2. Round here they just dug out and started enforcing an old law that prohibits brew pubs from posting the alcohol content of the beer. So if you want to pace yourself with a low-alcohol beer, good luck figuring out which one to select.

  29. Posting to pad the count and rep a very local brewery. Jailbreak Brewing Co. in Laurel, MD does a jalapeno IPA called “Welcome to Scoville” that actually tastes pretty good, not gimmicky like you’d expect. I’m a big fan of theirs. They opened up a year or two ago and have been putting out some consistently good stuff.

    1. Oh man. That brings back an oldie.

      Cave Creek Chili Beer.

      Was a light lager beer, reminiscient of Dos Eques, that had a large chili pepper in it.

      Wasn’t a great beer, but the chili made me crave it like crack cocaine. Had enough heat in it to make it almost uncomfortable. It was totally unique back in the 90’s.

      Believe it was bought out by a Mexican company and became undrinkable.

  30. We have 10 microbreweries within two miles of where we are living. It’s awesome. Then a bit further down the road we have Stone, who mostly does IPAs, and just expanded to Virginia and Germany.

    It’s funny that we have so many good breweries when our water is terrible. Makes you wonder about Coors’ it’s the water claim.

    1. Coors is selling that their beverage tastes best when it is super cold. The idea is that if you could actually taste it you wouldn’t want any. I agree.

    2. I just had the Stone Graniac here in Columbus on tap. Thought it was really cool how they helped a local school with the Pataskala.

    3. Living in PDX, I probably have 10 microbreweries within 2 blocks (Okay, maybe not quite that many)! Seriously there are something like 60+ breweries in the city of Portland proper. And of course the keg of our own stuff in the conference room.

    1. Stop classing up this joint you highbrow motherfucker. 😉

  31. Dominic Lynch reports in The Federalist that the number of commercial brewing operations in America has just “surpassed the historical high-water mark of 4,131 active breweries, which was set in 1873.”

    You don’t need 4,131 active breweries when there are children starving in the streets. #FeelTheBern

  32. The only thing that can get almost as many comments around here as the Donald, is beer. I’m not sure what this says about us.

  33. Beer!

    I love them all. Stouts, porters, Pales, IPA’s, IIPA’s, Imperial stouts and barrel aged goodness from Barley wine to Scotch Ales. There is so much to love for a beer enthusiast right now, and I could never hope to try as many as I want to. There is a flood of bad beer that comes with the good unfortunately, but the market seems to support a wide variety of both brewers and styles. I’ll vote for too many options (and take my lumps with a bad purchase here and there) rather than too little.

    Cheers!

    1. …and you have ratebeer and beeradvocate to help you through the mess. I remember when all we had was Michael Jackson.

  34. St Louis has a surprisingly good beer scene, lots of local breweries; many with tasting rooms/Bierhalls. Budweiser is not the only game in town.

    I prefer lagers to ales, as I don’t care for excessively bitter/hoppy beers.

    Last weekend I hit Urban Chestnut, they have a Dry Irish Nitro Stout that, called “O’Florian’s” is quite good and a Bavarian-style lager called “Zwickel” that I love. I also hit another brewery called Civil Life, and I recommend their British Mild Ale.

  35. Well it is all and good to have a lot of craft beers, but I hope for the kids sake that our wonderful leaders keep the three tier system in place. Think of the horrors if you allowed brew pubs to sell not only on premise but to their customers as well!

    In the days before Prohibition, big breweries often owned the local taverns as well. That monopoly led to abuses that ranged from price-fixing to saloon-based prostitution rings.

    That is right. The only thing standing between my daughter being carted off as a sex trafficking victim of Leinekugel is the Minnesoda legislature.

    1. Oh and fuck Mark Stutrud (founder of Summit brewery) in the neck. When he was first starting up, he tried to pass the same law to allow himself to sell his beer in retail locations and at his brewery.

      As soon as he had grow big, though he has fought all sorts of laws like this.

      He sees something a bit unfair in brew pub owners — who chose to get into the retail side of craft beer — wanting to cross over to the manufacturing side now that they’ve built up a customer base. Changing the current system “would not be good for the industry as a whole,” Stutrud said. “It would be a competitive disadvantage for the smaller breweries.”

      Yeah, I’m sure he is so worried about his smaller competitors.

      1. Crosses Saga off list of newly canned IPAs to try. Thanks for the tip.

    2. a sex trafficking victim of Leinekugel

      This, for some reason, makes me think of a big girl. Someone with meat on their bones. John Pron.

  36. Chiming in simply to brag that I love working for a large craft brewer.

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