Some Government-Sponsored Syrian Refugees in Canada Would Rather Go Back to Refugee Camps in Jordan and Lebanon
Privately-sponsored refugees faring better


In December, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made a big show of welcoming the first wave of Syrian refugees arriving in Canada. The country had pledged to accept 10,000 refugees by the end of 2015 (it fell short of the goal TKTKT) and 25,000 by the end of next month.
Trudeau welcomed the first refugees by telling them they were "safe at home now" and handing them winter coats.
"This is a wonderful night where we get to show not just a planeload of new Canadians what Canada is all about," said Trudeau of the refugees, who were granted permanent resident status, "but we get to show the world how to open our hearts and welcome people who are fleeing extraordinarily difficult straits."
But now, just two months later, some of the refugees who have been sponsored by the government say they've been neglected to such a degree that they'd rather return to refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon.
CBC News reports:
Some government-sponsored Syrian refugees staying at a budget hotel in Toronto say they feel like they're "trapped in a prison" without hope due to a lack of communication, supplies and assistance.
Virginia Johnson, one of two volunteers working at the hotel, joined CBC Radio's Metro Morning on Monday to speak to host Matt Galloway.
Johnson said the refugees have been at the hotel for weeks and have no idea when they will be able to leave. Some of the 85 government-sponsored refugees say they're not getting much help, and would rather go back to their refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon.
At the hotel, refugees tell volunteers they have little communication with outsiders and are isolated, and volunteers complain government officials don't appear to be checking in on them regularly. Canada's immigration department told CBC refugees get "immediate access to essential services and social support" and that there was "nothing unusual about a stay of several weeks in transitional accommodation."
The refugee volunteers worry about a "two tier" system where privately-sponsored refugees fare much better than government-sponsored one, who may have been rushed out of refugee camps and into the country.
Johnson called on the government to "allow private sponsor groups to sponsor government sponsored refuges" as quickly as private sponsors can. Another volunteer suggested the Canadian government wanted to bring refugees out of harm's way as fast as possible and hadn't established a plan yet.
The refugees who complain of poor conditions in Toronto came from refugee camps and not directly from war zones. There was a lot of fanfare surrounding the first arrivals, but it now appears the government wasn't prepared to match private sponsor resources to the refugees in a timely fashion.
If the Canadian government sped up the process of removing refugees from camps just to stick them in hotels in the middle of the Canadian winter while government officials figure out how to do their job, then Trudeau's new government is being motivated by optics and good press, and not genuine humanitarian concern, especially if private sponsor groups are being prevented from joining the refugee entry process because of government bureaucracy.
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Ouch.
But Prime Minister Zoolander welcomed them!!!!! What more do they need?
Because it's, like, 2016, man.
It's 2016 - time to stop judging people by their gender or the color of their skin and hire by merit.
Prime Minister Zoolander also demanded the orphans' house be much bigger.
He is dreamy.
No good deed goes unpunished.
It's like taking in a homeless person to live in your basement. He'll take you to court for not sharing the WiFi password.
I know, right? And then you lock him in the basement and he still has the gall to complain. Fucking baby.
Except they aren't suing the Canadian government, they just want to go back because they'd rather live somewhere else.
That seems pretty reasonable to me.
Oh geez!
Please don't fall for Alice Bowie's "Rassle with me for I am a purty pig all covered in mod" shtick!
Do the decent thing, and ignore the mendacious, contemptible little fuck like the worm he is.
It's a sockpuppet, broheim.
I know it's a fucking sock puppet! There is no way a human being can truly believe the dumb shit Alice Bowie craps out in his comments!
Whomever drives the Alice Bowie account makes comments in bad faith in order to derail conversations between his betters. This person is a worthless piece of shit who would do the whole world a favor if he were to try to join ISIS and was executed by them as a suspected American spy (it's a sort of opportunity cost, the ammo spent to erase his worthless ass from the world is thus not spent on others).
Nonetheless, almost every time he squats down and takes a crap on the thread, some other person takes it upon him or herself to start wrestling with him, and the shit gets over everything! It smells up the place too!
Isn't Alice Bowie's schtick that she's an annoying leftist? This seems different.
he
For the last time: the name "Alice Bowie" is a Cheech and Chong reference and is not a woman's name.
Hey, if xe wants to identify as a whatever, who are you to deny xir?
My momma talkin' to me tryin' to tell me how to live
But I don't listen to her 'cause my head is like a sieve
My daddy, he disowned me 'cause I wear my sister's clothes
He caught me in the bathroom with a pair of pantyhose
The refugee volunteers worry about a "two tier" system where privately-sponsored refugees fare much better than government-sponsored one, who may have been rushed out of refugee camps and into the country
Oh, we're sorry you didn't get your palate-cleansing sorbet course before your entree last evening. Our deepest apologies.
I don't want anyone thinking I think Canadians backward. The greatest Canadian culture isn't too bad.
Needs more Bryan Adams.
If that link went to Red Green I was going to punch my monitor.
OK. Here's a Red Green video for your pleasure.
That show was such zed-level Canuck "entertainment."
Wait...hold up in a motel? You mean they're not out raping and blowing shit up?
That's actually more a feature of mass migration from barbarous societies, not the little onesie twosies like the Canadians are doing.
Give the Canadians time. If they get enough over here, and set them up in self-contained enclaves, they can have rape parties, too.
Difficult to keep a boner when it's 20 below.
Beards.
Merkins.
They are waiting for it to warm up, and besides, the motel has free HBO, STARZ, SHOWTIME, and CINEMAX
You can't fool me...
...there's no HBO in Canada.
Yeah...and Showtime is called Showcase! It's a trap!
And Cinemax in Canada only shows 85% as much skin as American Cinemax!
There's HBO Canada.
No Game of Thrones, though, on account of a sizable minority of the Canadian populace being White Walkers who might get offended.
There is nothing about this story that doesn't make me laugh.
People on handouts bitching that they deserve more, and right now, dammit! Check.
Gov sponsored "refugees" not having it as good as privately sponsored "refugees"? Check.
Big pubsec self-congratulatory PR campaign, with zero followup? Check.
On. And. On.
What a handout! It's like the Canadian Obamaphone.
Christ, what a welfare queen.
Yeah, these guys are clearly monsters.
If all the refugees in Germany were families whose primary complaints were that the kids had nowhere to play I have a slight suspicion there wouldn't be many problems.
What the hell do they think all the other Canadians do during the winter?
Why don't they take their kids ice fishing?
Bullshit. Kids love hotels and unless they're being chained to the radiator they're probably having a blast.
Well, you're not PHYSICALLY chained to the radiator, but this IS a Canadian Winter we're talking about. Move more than a few feet away from the thing and you freeze to death.
Yeah, they probably have a beautiful indoor pool to skate on!
Who wouldn't prefer to be on the dole in a Mediterranean climate rather than a frozen wasteland?
+ 1 Finnish refugee camp.
"People on handouts bitching that they deserve more, and right now, dammit! Check."
Meh, seems like a standard case of government fraud to me. People were using privatized handouts, were promised better handouts if they switched over to a government provider, and learned only after the fact that the promise of it being "better" was a false one designed to benefit the state more than the client.
In this instance I'd say they have the right to complain that their private provider did the service better, and petition to switch back to the private system.
I love Reason's "dump" method of posting stories.
The seatbelt story gets posted at 10:31 am. Then nothing for approx an hour.
Followed by stories at 11:29, 11:35, 11:45, 11:47, and 11:55. Five stories in 26 minutes.
It's almost like they think we care about what they write, instead of just waiting for the next obvious comment-aggregator to appear.
If they thought we cared about what they wrote, they might give us time to read it.
You work in the literary field in some capacity, no? You should give their editors, or whoever the hell makes the decisions on how/when things get posted, a stern talking-to.
It's clear that no one is making decisions on when things get posted.
This disproves anarchism as a workable theory.
Nobody is calling the shots, and the result is terrible.
Anarchy!?
It's clear that no one is making decisions on when things get posted.
I would guess there is a timed job running somewheres that deploys queued content. Heartless machines make most the decisions at Reason.
No, that's exactly what they're not doing.
Nah, I'd guess that the writers can submit their articles whenever they are done with them (in fact I think I recall Luc--I mean someone we don't talk about--confirming that once), and they just happen to bunch up sometimes (probably in relation to deadlines we know nothing about).
They usually seem to trickle in over the course of the morning, then there's a rush right before Drinks O'Clock - i mean, noon - then maybe one or two articles between then and the PM Links.
Jesus Christ, JJ, don't encourage her! Are you insane?!?
I assume it's a true survival of the fittest. They all enter the market at the same time and we, as informed consumers, choose their fates.
Notice how there's nothing from Robby or Lizzie. Those two always sponge up the commentators. Nick is a close second, but that's just from people lining up to kick him in the balls.
If they thought we cared about what they wrote,
I'm pretty sure they know better by now.
When we do read the articles, its not for content so much as it is looking for sticks to beat the author with. I'd dump the posts in clusters, too.
They had a huge cup of coffee around 11:20, JJ.
I notice that too.
Reason writer #1 nudges Reason writer #2 between puffs while sitting on ripped up sofa. "Did you post those articles?"
"Shit, I forgot!"
/jumps on chair and hits "Enter" five times. Jumps back on sofa.
"Done. Man, I'm pooped. Stop hogging."
They just suck at curling.
When would they practice? Their beards are naturally curly.
The refugee volunteers worry about a "two tier" system where privately-sponsored refugees fare much better than government-sponsored one, who may have been rushed out of refugee camps and into the country.
They're kept awake all night by the horrifying idea that any refugee might be better off than the ones under the government's tender mercies.
Dude. CBC interviewed people in Toronto. They don't have Canadian winter.
Meanwhile there have been Hmong refugees living in squalor in camps on the border of Thailand who have been waiting 30 years for a chance to come to North America.
Think about that.
But there aren't enough Clint Eastwoods for them to move next door to.
What, Canada has a shortage of heavily armed bigots with a heart of gold?
The world has a shortage of those magnificent bastards.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
Eh, they'll all die soon anyway from the machinations of dab tsuam.
I thought they'd traced that to ceiling fans.
Yeah, my wife knows a shitload of families in the old country who had a son die like that anywhere from 15 to 30 years old. Usually some sort of arrhythmia, from what I understand.
Serioulsy, I'm vehemently anti war... but sometimes I just want to conquer canada, free the Quebec, and rub it in their stupid hoser faces. Know what I'm talking abut, eh?
Yah, suure.
Spencer - the Quebecis are the problem, they're making the canukistanis unfree.
That's why we will rub it in their faces. Give them what they want and let them sink while new libertopia rises.
Ontario has more commies.
Stop adding nuance to my racistlinguist-ist tirade!
in unrelated news of 'hospitality falling short' =
Sweden to Deport Up to 80,000 Asylum Seekers
"Interior Minister Anders Ygeman told newspaper Dagens Industri that since about 45 percent of asylum applications are currently rejected, the country must get ready to send back tens of thousands of the 163,000 who sought shelter in Sweden last year."
I'm not sure any of this is actually news, and the journos don't make any effort to clarify whether its a 'change' from previous history of rejecting slightly less than 1/2 of arrivals... but, still.
The EU seems to be engaged in a kind of reverse-hostage-negotiation process =
"A Dutch politician says his country, which currently holds the EU presidency, is working on a plan to ease the migrant crisis by which a core group of member states would accept up to 250,000 refugees coming from Turkey in return for sending back the migrants that now arrive by the hundreds of thousands in Greece"
Basically, "we'll keep what we've got, but No More!"
I'm going to travel to Toronto and blast Tom petty telling them they don't have to live like a refugee 24 hours a day outside their hotel rooms.
this is how you create Canadian ISIS
Canadian ISIS mostly just yells a lot when their team loses during Saturday Night Hockey.
ISC? I'm OK with that. What about Battalions for American States of the Islamic Caliphate. They could go by BASIC.
I thought that was the way to pick up a hot Canadian chick that's out of your league.
If you're American there are no Canadian chicks out of your league since they'll sleep with anyone for a green card and a bottle of maple syrup.
UPGRADE YOUR STEREOTYPE HUMOR.
MAN YOU YANKS ARE LAZY!
Don't make me come down there and do it for you.
Justin Trudeau's constant camera mugging is already starting to annoy me.
At least this isn't as funny as the time Trudeau held a moment of silence for six Canadians killed by Al Qaeda at a Canadian mosque whose Imam said a husband can't rape his wife.
I know a girl who went to school with him. He's really into that hippie shit so...man I can't watch.
I like the people in this comment section complaining that the refugees want to go back to Jordan and NOT get Canadian welfare.
Those bastards.
Actually, I think they are complaining that the handouts on offer need to be improved. The "or else" is just posturing.
But, there's one way to find out. Offer them one-way tickets back, and see how many accept. But we know that won't happen, and the Canadians will sweeten the pot for them.
So, yeah, it is all about the handouts.
Don't offer them squat, load them on planes, give each a parachute and push them out the back when approximately over the region they originated from.
Sounds like my plan for closing Gitmo.
Hadn't thought about the parachutes, though. I assume you mean working parachutes?
Not strictly speaking, no.
You know an awful lot about people you've never met and who are saying the opposite of your accusations.
Trudeau: What, my faux love and compassion isn't enough for you? Give me those coats back. They weren't real Kanuk's anyway.
First-Nation giver!
Send them all back
Send them all back
wouldn't it just be cheaper to put them to work in the maple syrup mines?
"Politics will eventually be replaced by imagery. The politician will be only too happy to abdicate in favor of his image, because the image will be much more powerful than he could ever be."
Marshall McLuhan
They need an upgrade. I suggest Great Wolf Lodge because the kids will like it. Possibly they have some frequent flier miles they can exchange for the upgrade or promise to leave a positive review on Yelp. Being a refugee doesn't need to be unpleasant!
Super water slide!
OKAY, now that we have the dark people in the country and we've shot all the footage of us helping them, we can go back to not caring about them!! Mission success, everyone!!
Reuters = Lots of refugees in Germany also returning to Iraq/Syria...
not really clear what's motivating those who are returning - the story suggests dissatisfaction with German asylum-process, and dismal condition of shelters... as well as just the frustration of realizing that they face long process of integration in a place that is nothing like their home-culture...
Aren't these people afraid they'll be hanged for desertion? It is an invasion, after all.
The issue is that crazy rumors are being spread all over the Islamic world that if you can get to Germany or Sweden, you will be given a nice home, lots of money, and free everything for life, with no need to work. This not of course true. I have heard interviews with some aid workers who have tried to explain to them in Hungary or Turkey that this is not the case, but they refuse to believe it, thinking that those telling them just want more for themselves. So they spent many thousands of euros getting to Germany, and when they see the truth, they become what a friend of mine calls "permanently dissatisfied". And the dismal condition of many of the shelters is not the fault of the Germans. Many immigrants are being kept in places that were clean and nice before. People who will not use toilets or trash bins and are angry are not tidy people. Plus, people sent in to clean or help are sometimes attacked.
To be fair, it's been a pretty mild winter in Toronto so far.