Flint Water Crisis

Liberals Still Say Austerity Poisoned the Water in Flint, Damn the Evidence

Government stimulus caused the disaster, not austerity or privatization.

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From the second the Flint water crisis became a national story, liberal pundits have leapt at the chance to blame all their favorite boogeymen: fiscal austerity, privatization, and greedy Republicans who care more about money than sick kids.

While that narrative was seriously flawed from the beginning, it's absolutely contradicted by significant new developments on the ground. Far from impugning limited government principles, the Flint water crisis is a quintessential example of the failures of government planning and Keynesian economic stimulus.

Enter The Washington Post's Dana Milbank, who is still arguing that the Flint disaster was caused by austerity and Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's "private-sector ideology." He writes:

But the Flint disaster, three years in the making, is not a failure of government generally. It's the failure of a specific governing philosophy: Snyder's belief that government works better if run more like a business. …

"You cannot separate what happened in Flint from the state's extreme emergency-management law," said Curt Guyette, who, working for the ACLU of Michigan, uncovered much of the scandal in Flint. "The bottom line is making sure the banks and bond holders get paid at all costs, even if the kids are poisoned with foul river water."

The emergency-manager law, Guyette argued, "is about the taking away of democracy and the imposition of austerity-fueled autocracy on cities that are poor and majority African American."

Milbank is right that Snyder deserves some blame for what happened—but not because he imposed austerity and privatization on Flint. Quite the contrary: the state-led effort to switch Flint's water source was never intended as penny-pinching measure—in fact, it was more expensive than sticking with the old source, according to recently revealed documents. Instead, it was a public works project intended to stimulate the local economy.

As Reason's Shikha Dalmia reported on Monday, sources told her that the state-appointed emergency manager went along with the plan because "Genesee County and Flint authorities saw the new water treatment as a public infrastructure project to create jobs in an area that has never recovered after Michigan's auto industry fled to sunnier business climes elsewhere."

It would be one thing if state officials had imposed a new water source on Flint over the objections of local officials. But there's simply no good evidence that the emergency financial manager's decision to utilize the Flint River was actively opposed by city leadership at the time (although it is true, as Milbank points out, that once problems started arising, the city council did vote after the fact to switch back to Detroit but were overruled by the emergency manager.) Flint Mayor Dayne Walling actually toasted the decision during the Flint River facility's grand opening ceremony, according to mlive.com. This is simply not the story of an austerity-obsessed governor forcing cheap, toxic water on an unwilling populace.

Milbank also commits the serious error of overlooking the pivotal role the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality played in the catastrophe. DEQ doesn't even make an appearance in Milbank's column, even though the regulatory agency's failure to recommend phosphorous treatment when complaints about the water first surfaced exacerbated the crisis. (Read this FiveThirtyEight piece for an overview of DEQ's errors.)

Of course, Milbank is hardly the only writer to simply ignore evidence that undermines his narrative. The Nation's Katrina vanden Heuvel claims that, " Decades of catastrophic austerity policies and ruinous government fealty to corporate interests are jeopardizing the people of Michigan—and the rest of the country."

But Flint's principal problem—one that pre-dates the water crisis by decades—is that its economically-underprivileged taxpayers can't afford to pay the pensions of retired city workers. Excess government spending landed Flint in its current, sorry state, not austerity. Likewise, the disastrous decision to go with a more expensive water option was not austerity, but government-sponsored stimulus gone (predictably) wrong.

It's certainly true that Michigan's emergency financial manager system deserves renewed scrutiny given the spectacular level of government failure on display in Flint. It may be the case that local officials, left to their own devices, would have abandoned the Flint River plan sooner. But the policies of austerity and privatization have no bearing on these failures. Liberals pretending otherwise need to stop drinking the river water.

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  1. it was a public works project intended to stimulate the local economy.

    Well, it’ll be stimulated for quite a while.

    1. it will also stimulate voters who won’t listen to the truth and just blame the Republicans

    2. Even FDR understood that if you use public works projects to stimulate the economy, they still have to deliver on, you know, the public works that comprise their stated purpose.

      1. Bullshit. Just claim the project *saved jobs*.

      2. “the public works that comprise their stated purpose.”

        Perhaps the Flint Water Works just wanted a large scale demonstration of the Broken Window fallacy. Think about all the reporters and activists who are getting all the work because of this. Not to mention over time for the Water Works employees fixing the issue.

    3. Krugman disappointed with lack of destruction.

      1. Waiting on a column by Krugman to put more lead in the water to stimulate the economy through the clean up wffort.

        1. I think we need to super stimulate! Nuking DC will bring the US to full employment!

    4. itll be stimulated in the same way breaking windows would stimulate it

  2. Keynesian economic stimulus.

    Is there economic stimulus that isn’t Keynesian?

    Asking for a friend.

    1. Strip club

  3. If a few Flint government workers died of lead poisoning, is that so bad?

  4. But the government just needs more money!!

  5. Of course, Milbank is hardly the only writer to simply ignore evidence that undermines his narrative. The Nation’s Katrina vanden Heuvel claims that, ” Decades of catastrophic austerity policies and ruinous government fealty to corporate interests are jeopardizing the people of Michigan?and the rest of the country.”

    You can stop trying win with evidence now… it’s not working.

    1. No shit. Facts will never win over their FEELZ. Their FEELZ tell them that this is all the fault of RETHUGLIKKKANZ and KKKOSCHPORASHUNZ, so it must be true, evidence to the contrary be damned.

    2. That woman is as vile a human being as I’ve ever heard of.

      Blaming government greed, corruption, and vote buying through lavish public sector pensions on austerity and corporate interests? Really?

    3. You can’t use logic on those who have abandoned its use.

      1. I is highly questionable if they ever used it. You can’t abandon something that you never had.

  6. “”Liberals pretending otherwise need to stop drinking the river water.””

    BOOOOOOOOOOO

    we rate this, “-10 Schwarzeneggers” as an hamhanded-editorial-pun-closer

  7. Decades of catastrophic austerity policies and ruinous government fealty to corporate interests are jeopardizing the people of Michigan

    Yes, for decades Michigan has been known as a hotbed of small government beholden to corporations. Michigan.

    1. The idea that there just isn’t any more money to pay for the pensions and the “public works projects” and the union wages and the transfer payments and … doesn’t even enter into their heads.

      1. The last time Michigan was in major financial trouble, Obama came to the “rescue” and bailed out GM auto-workers. Do you think they plan to solve their own future budget problems? Or do they just go back to sugar-daddy again?

        I wouldn’t be surprised if they got into a plan of poisoning themselves every 10 years just to keep the scam going.

  8. Lefties don’t give a shit about facts or evidence. There is a narrative and everything will be hammered into shape to fit that. That is all.

    Ex. – The biggest lefty I know told me a few hours ago that Hillary is the bomb. Did you see how she performed in the debate against Sanders and Mallory? I pointed out that it was not a debate, it was a scripted performance, including the audience questions. Also, nothing about the emails? Benghazi?

    In his mind those are all fake scandals and not worth considering. After all, she is going to end inequality forever.

    Facts and evidence out the window, bring in the narrative!

    Goddamned fuckin’ idiots.

    1. It’s all about the feelings, dude. You should know that by now. Facts and evidence will not change what they feel.

  9. In related news, some private companies are providing clean water to Flint…and the Atlantic is whining about this, because it’s more important to them that government do things than that the things be done right. Seriously, this stupid article makes me want to punch the author in the nuts, because people are getting clean water and he has an ideological problem with the fact that private entities are doing it, because they’re not “democratic” and they’re not “accountable” and they’re “unregulated”. YOU HAD ALL THOSE THINGS IN THE GOVERNMENT OF FLINT AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT YOU, YOU BRAINLESS TWIT.

    1. Hovering over the link, they actually crowbar’d “Walmart” into the title. Not going to read.

      1. Are you sure I can’t tempt you with this gem?

        “the undemocratic and largely unaccountable nature of philanthropy”

        1. Makes sense. Allowing people to donate and distribute money and goods without oversight is tantamount to anarchy.

    2. Gah, it links out to another article which is just infuriating

      As you can tell, this steamed me up a lot, and it did again later when the same script played out during the fiscal cliff crisis. What that situation made plain to me was not just that philanthropy is quite capable of acting like agribusiness, oil, banks, or any other special-interest pleader when it thinks its interests are jeopardized. It helped me to see that however many well-intentioned and high-minded impulses animate philanthropy, the favorable tax treatment that supports it is a form of privatization. Money that would otherwise be available for tax revenue that could be democratically directed is shielded from public control for private use.

      The question is not whether many good things are accomplished with the money excluded from taxation for philanthropy. The standard is whether the record of philanthropy justifies the foregone tax revenue that in our current dire fiscal state could be used to keep senior centers and libraries and after-school programs open, hold tuition within reach at public colleges and universities, expand Internet access in rural communities, and on and on.

      Not taking is giving.

      1. Money that would otherwise be available for tax revenue that could be democratically directed is shielded from public control for private use.

        Money democratically directed and shielded from public control…

        1. Lol how can they actually think this of being democratically directed

          1. “Democratically” is just an alias for “State” or “Top Men” in Progressive speak.

          2. “Democratically” is just an alias for “State” or “Top Men” in Progressive speak.

      2. Appealing to emotion here : keep senior centers and libraries and after-school programs open, hold tuition within reach at public colleges and universities, expand Internet access in rural communities, and on and on.

        Isn’t college tuition going up because of all the money being thrown at it?

        1. Isn’t college tuition going up because of all the money being thrown at it?

          At the opening day meeting for my institution’s spring term, the president of the university mentioned tuition costs, etc. At least for us, the two largest expenses we have that drive the cost of tuition are 1.) financial aid awards and 2.) complying with government regulations.

          Just food for thought.

          1. “1.) financial aid awards”

            IE Redistribution

        2. According the New York Fed, tuition goes up about 65? for every dollar in subsidized Federal loans.

          But we all know that the Fed is an ultra right-wing institution funded by oil corporations and the Kochs and therefore we can disregard anything they say and it certainly won’t affect other government programs like Obamacare or Berniecare. /proggie

      3. Money that would otherwise be available for tax revenue that could be democratically directed is shielded from public control for private use.

        Because we all know the government is hurting for cash. Just a bit more, and it could get things right.

        1. The hilarity of that statement is ridiculous. Tax breaks came about because it provided a legal way for the rich to avoid paying extra taxes, which resulted in higher rates of compliance with the taxing authority, especially when the rates were absurdly high in the 50s and 60s.

    3. PROFIT IS EVIL, EVEN WHEN THEY’RE NOT PROFITING

      GOVERNMENT IS GOOD, EVEN WHEN IT ISN’T

    4. The article actually admits that the government failed at multiple levelss. It’s not as bad as you might guess.

      1. The solution is more government. They will surely get it right this time, if only they are given more money and authority.

      2. Yes, it does admit that. But it spins that into complaining that private enterprise hasn’t failed, which seems like a spectacularly perverse takeaway.

        1. It reminds me of some incident of migrant misbehavior in Europe, after which some government official said woefully, “this is playing right into the hands of radical right-wingers!” Because that’s the real problem here. That your political rivals will be vindicated.

    5. I am thinking it is due to cognitive dissonance which is why they are so upset: this Flint situation hurts the narrative that the government provides and that businesses are the devil and only care about greedy profits.

    6. Absolutely horrifying.

    7. Holy cow. What a douchey worldview. Private sector literally giving away their own shit unsolicited and uncoerced, and the statists’ concern is that it might somehow benefit the private sector.

      1. So great is their distrust.

        “JUST YOU WAIT, THOSE EVIL NAZI-RUN CORPORATE FATCATS ARE ABOUT TO SLAM THE PEOPLE OF FLINT WITH DEBT-SLAVERY LKE THEY ALWAYS DO! THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE!”

        They sound like misandrist women who think men are only being nice to women in an attempt to score.

    8. How does McArdle deal with working there? Peter must get the bends if he swings by the office to pick her up.

    9. I’m not going to read that right now because I don’t want to be responsible for destroying company property when I punch my monitor as hard as I can. Just the description is enough to make want to punch something/ someone. Fuck every one of these braindead twats in the ass with a rusty chainsaw, and then feed them feet first trough a woodchipper.

    10. Seriously, this stupid article makes me want to punch the author in the nuts, because people are getting clean water and he has an ideological problem with the fact that private entities are doing it, because they’re not “democratic” and they’re not “accountable” and they’re “unregulated”.

      If I knew that me and mine wouldn’t be as equally fucked by this scenario, I’d love these people to get their just desserts of Fabianism in action.

      Here ya go. Enjoy what’s left of your near-total regimented life.

  10. OT: Abe Vigoda is dead

    I say it was the bad water that done did it.

    1. I thought he died years ago. 94 pretty good run.

    2. Abe Vigoda, the beloved actor known for playing Det. Fish on Barney Miller and mobster Sal Tessio in The Godfather, and for weathering years of mistaken reports about his death, died in his sleep in New Jersey on Tuesday, January 26, at the age of 94.

      Sal sleeps with the fishes. RIP.

      1. Tom, can you let me off the hook, for old times sake?

    3. At least we still have Lou Reed. But not that meme.

  11. Here’s an interesting one:

    http://gizmodo.com/dystopia-wh…..1755258552

    story about how private companies are helping flint by supplying water and how bad that charity is.

    1. But if Walmart and Pepsi really wanted to help Flint, they’d be offering up money and resources to help fix the city’s broken infrastructure.

      Oh, the horror! Evil corporations are bringing water, and that’s the government’s responsibility! Those corporations are terrible because they aren’t giving money to the government that fucked everything up in the first place! Those damned corporations!

      Now let us pray:

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      1. “if Walmart and Pepsi really wanted to help Flint, they’d be offering up money and resources to help fix the city’s broken infrastructure”

        Heh. What, after city and state government did such a spectacular job the first time around? That’s like saying,
        “If you really wanted to help your brother after he gambled all his money away, you’d bankroll his next trip to the casino.”

        1. He meant well, didn’t he? That’s all that matters.

        2. If Walmart and Pepsi wanted to help Flint, they’d just surrender to more taxes and a higher minimum wage.

          Yup. No good deed goes unpunished.

        3. “if Walmart and Pepsi really wanted to help Flint, they’d be offering up money and resources to help fix the city’s broken infrastructure”

          I’m sure there’s a very straight-forward way that Walmart and Pepsi could immediately bring financial resources to bare, repairing and replacing Flint’s water system, as well as finding and hooking up a clean water source.

          A path forward that is in no way constrained by burdensome red tape and regulatory oversight, bureaucratic committee meetings, interested party palms that need greasing, cocks that need squeezing, etc.

          Why they bother donating bottles of water, and immediately providing Flint citizens with water relief, rather than fix the broken system, is beyond me.

    2. Wow, the internet is spreading this one like wildfire.

      “QUICK! EVERYONE, THAT THING ABOUT AUSTERITY TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG!!! LETS BLAME CORPORATIONS FOR SOMETHING ELSE NOW”

    3. Comments are actually pretty good–a couple of folks called bullshit, then answered critics.

      1. Don’t worry. I’m sure they’ll be deleted in short order. Tolerant people don’t tolerate such intolerant comments. In the name of inclusiveness they must be excluded. After all, people who celebrate equality don’t need to be subjected to comments from inferior people.

        1. you are so not living up to your handle

    4. The company they keep wants to shoot holes in Planned Parenthood clinics, apply the death sentence to hemp smokers, make everyone piss in a Dixie cup or tear up their work permits and bring back the 18th Amendment through MADD fanaticism. The kids may not understand economics, but they can spot a whack-job conservative a mile away.

      1. And people say that the Leftarded are not unhinged loons!

  12. A germane observation.

    Skip if probability makes your eyes glaze over.

    1. “Type I error” ain’t just a river in Egypt.

  13. Liberals Still Say Austerity Poisoned the Water in Flint, Damn the Evidence

    Of course they do. There’s a narrative to construct, and you don’t do that by re-examining your hastily arrived at conclusions in the face of new evidence to the contrary.

    1. In fact, communists, econazis, parasitical looters and mixed-economy boodlers all bleat in unison with the political State. Liberals in Canada stare in wonderment at the realization that yanks still let Harry Anslinger and the Klan define their political vocabulary.

      1. Does anyone give a shit what the Canadians think? Yanks could easily bomb Ottawa and take the place over. Canada exists because America doesn’t want it.

  14. My understanding from seeing other of Dana’s work he really is a political partisan hack. Ryan cooper at theweek and Paul Krugman fit this bill as well. It is tabloid style journalism.

    Do any of you think they actually believe what they write? As in they realize they are highly partisan and not really interested in credible journalism

  15. The Nation’s Katrina vanden Heuvel claims that, ” Decades of catastrophic austerity policies and ruinous government fealty to corporate interests are jeopardizing the people of Michigan?and the rest of the country.”

    What the fucking fuck?! “Decades?!” This lying cunt has to know that’s complete bullshit. How do these asshats sleep at night after knowingly peddling this tripe?

    1. That’s one-note Katie. She can’t help herself. She doesn’t believe in federalism, so the mental construct of “local” and “state” is a bridge too far.

      Believe me. She wants to end all states and fold them into a massive, Washington based bureaucracy. And she wants to end your 401(k) to shore-up Social Security.

      And after all that, she really gets started . . .

  16. Lioke my ex-girlfriend used to say…

    “Deny it ’til the end”

  17. Once a YAFer, never again able to grasp the international meaning of “liberal”… The GOP and NSDAP meaning only circulates in Republicanland. Even Germany has discarded the vagueness of ideological aphasia.

    1. vagueness, ideological, aphasia…….three words that symbolize emptyness itself…..hehe

  18. According to commenters on the article below, this whole thing is about driving Detroit into bankruptcy:

    http://motorcitymuckraker.com/…..ords-show/

    1. “Trust me plenty of Michiganders are aware of Snyders cronyism to his rich corporate buddies but what can we do when people vote in Republicans?”

      Uh, is that one or two?

  19. Wait, I thought the proximate cause of using the river water was that Detroit cut them off before they had an alternative source. Something about Detroit being spiteful when they got advance notice of Flint’s future plans to get water elsewhere.

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  22. the problem is that the chickens from the gm business model of building shitty cars and pollution from industrial waste into the flint river for 20 years have come home to roost…..

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  24. I’m not sure how anyone can say that anything in MI has ever been done with fiscal responsibility in mind. It is almost as bad as people blaming Rauner/GOP for IL’s financial woes. Partisanship is truly at absurd levels these days.

    1. it is, especially as it seems the two major parties are becoming more and more alike. i dunno how this escapes most people, like they cant imagine an alternative to being billions in debt (that’s so much money it doesnt mean anything to me either, but i can’t imagine a good end) and interfering in every single conflict anywhere in the world.

  25. Has anyone analyzed the population of Flint, MI lately?

    Perhaps gov’t water projects could/should commence in any number of cities across the country…maybe Baltimore or Ferguson, MO for starters. Let’s just see how it goes…

  26. CNN is now claiming flints problems were racist despite all the facts that this was not about austerity or anything other than governmental screw ups

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  29. As long as there is a Republican anywhere within 500 miles of Flint, he will get the blame.

    1. Because all Republicans, whether through commission or omission, are just that powerful.

      Or, something like that . . ..

  30. Robby – did you ever hear back from Dana Milbank? Or is he ignoring you and sticking to his guns . . . . errh, not guns, because liberals don’t like guns . . . sticking to something else (not guns) . . . . Well, did you heard from Milbank?

  31. If I were Pepsi and Walmart, I’d say “fuck it – we’re outta here! We didn’t break it; why are we being flogging for helping people?”

    1. And if Pepsi and Wal-Mart did that, you can bet your life that the “progressives” would have yet another shitfit and complain about how corporations are too greedy to share their water with poor people.

      In the “progressive” worldview, corporations are always to be cursed and vilified no matter what they do or don’t do. They are seen as inherently and irredeemably evil.

  32. Dana – I don’t get “austerity did this to Flint”. Are you demanding that all Michiganders clean-up and provide water to a local municipality?

  33. Why does everything have to be driven by race I’m middle class white I have a well for my water if it goes dry I am responsible for paying to fix it. Instead of looking at race or politics lets look at who made the decision to use a unconventional way to supply water. It was a bad idea from the start. Why was it not put into place with caution. Why is bottled water the solution I would be willing to donate a 1000 gallons from my well send a water truck. I
    don’t care who you are nobody wants to see people struggle I see these kids being affecte
    d and it breaks my heart. Everyone around me has wells free clean water. So you look at the problem and dwell on that instead of looking toward a solution which is water trucks getting free clean water to these people in need and using all this money spent on bottled water for the solution. I don’t have the money to donate $1000 in bottled water but I have water spend the gas money to bring a water truck I’m in. Not about race or poverty about a horrible decision with a worse solution.

  34. I would like to know how much $ was wasted on bottle water and how many community wells could have been drilled with that $.

  35. ” (although it is true, as Milbank points out, that once problems started arising, the city council did vote after the fact to switch back to Detroit but were overruled by the emergency manager.)”

    So it didn’t start off as an autocratic manager making the decision – but it certainly continued because the autocratic manager overruled the local government. Yet you are railing mostly against the stimulus aspect just because it started this, right – even if the main reason it continued being a disaster was this decision?

    “It may be the case that local officials, left to their own devices, would have abandoned the Flint River plan sooner.”

    “May be”?? You *just said* that the city council voted to switch back and got overridden by the emergency manager.

    I don’t understand why your narrative is glossing over these points. They seem pretty important to how things shook down.

  36. I joined the libertarian party in 1978, was a RP delegate to the 2008 Nevada State convention.
    See my article orwells boot which is #1 on all search engines after paid links, and usually under the name factotum666. Now I see conservatives as both stupid by definition, and as liars. Often they take small truths, ignore larger ones, and construct a lie. This article is an example of such

    Here is the best example: But there’s simply no good evidence that the emergency financial manager’s decision to utilize the Flint River was actively opposed by city leadership at the time.

    My guess is that by “No good evidence” the author means that the financial manager was not tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. The document that Mr. Soave offers makes no mention of Flint River water being an alternative.

    I could go on, but it is depressing that almost all who call themselves conservatives have become true believers capable of ignoring evidence until it kills them

  37. Evidence has nothing to do with it when leftists have a narrative to push. The narrative will be enforced one way or the other.

  38. Mr. Soave asserts that the state-led effort to switch Flint’s water source was never intended as penny-pinching measure and was more expensive than sticking with the old source, citing “recently revealed documents”. Soave asserts it was a public works project intended to stimulate the local economy.

    The recently released documents Mr Soave cites is an 8 page letter from Detroit to Flint with attachments not included. The letter says this:
    1. “The The proposal scenarios outlined today offer a public/public partnership with options tailored to Flint/Genesee County or KWAs interests” – that sounds nothing like a private sector initiative to me
    2. “The Public Partnership requires the least near term capital investment and preserves the economy of scale associated with operation of a large regional system resulting in an immediate reduction in the cost of water supply for Flint/Genesee” – that sounds like a focus on cost, not a private sector initiative

    What am I missing? Does that misread the “recently released documents”? I couldn’t care less if the public or private sector best serves the public so long as it is at the lowest cost. Endless bickering over more vs. less government is beyond stupid. All that matters is who can do the best at the lowest cost. This taxpayer wants the best value for my tax dollar. Ideology is irrelevant.

    1. Hmm, don’t know if you are dense or just can’t read.

  39. This is simply a continuation of the narrative from Europe.

    Since the beginning of the Greek crisis, the party-line from the left has been that “austerity” is the problem, not the ridiculous level of benefits or government spending that LED TO THE CRISIS in the first place.

    It’s like eating a gallon of ice cream, getting sick, and then blaming your stomach for causing you pain.

    Everyone hates the guy that asks how we’re going to pay for the party.

    Assume the left’s lockstep media machine will continue to take the same stance in every crisis coming up (and there will be plenty): whatever happens, if we just had bigger government, we could have avoided the problem.

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  45. Lots of speculatin’ goin’ on here, but one known fact is that Kurtz was the guy who gave the go ahead on temporarily using Flint River water till the new pipe was ready. Kurtz was the guy who ignored people when they raised concerns about the river water leaching toxic shit from the pipes.

    You can try to blow the smoke at it being all because of a “stimulus project”, but you’ve got to hold your nose while you walk past the steaming trail of stupid leading to Snyder’s office.

    1. They forgot to add the chemicals. Trying to blame snyder for this makes you look silly. I think you are just butt hurt the truth doesnt play into the narrative

  46. Those corporations are terrible because they aren’t giving money to the government that fucked everything up in the first place!

    1. my roomate’s step-sister makes $68 an hour on the laptop . She has been out of a job for five months but last month her pay was $12476 just working on the laptop for a few hours. read this post here

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