Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton Is Above Your Little Oversight Laws: 'Nothing I Did Was Wrong'

Democratic frontrunner is 'not willing to say' that running her own private email server 'was an error in judgment'

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Last night, BTW, Joan Walsh said I was "silly" for observing that Bernie supporters seemed to be having a lot of "fun" compared to Team HRC. ||| CNN
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In last night's Democratic presidential townhall discussion, there was a revealing if incoherent exchange between moderator Chris Cuomo and frontrunner Hillary Clinton about her personal accountability for running her own private email server as secretary of state:

CUOMO: On that issue, the Des Moines Register, as we said earlier, gave you an endorsement. [It did] question your judgment, though, when it came to the email issue. They said, and you know this, but for the audience, in 2008 "when she says"—"when she makes a mistake she should just say so." This weekend they said that's a lesson that you have not learned. Yes, you apologized, but only when you needed to, not when you first could have. Fair criticism?

CLINTON: Well, I think that they're—you know, look, I was delighted to get the Register's endorsement. And it was a very generous one. And yes, I think that's a fair criticism.

You know, I had no intention of doing anything other than having a convenient way of communicating, and it turned out not to be so convenient. So again, we've answered every question and we will continue to do so. But you know maybe being faster, trying to scramble around to find out what all of this means, I probably should have done that quicker.

CUOMO: You're willing to say it was an error in judgment, you should've apologized…

CLINTON: No. I'm not willing to say it was an error in judgment because what—nothing that I did was wrong. It was not—it was not in any way prohibited. And so…

CUOMO: Not apologizing sooner I mean.

CLINTON: Well, apologizing sooner, as soon as you can. But part of the problem—and I would just say this as not an excuse but just as an explanation—when you're facing something like that, you've got to get the facts. And it takes time to get the facts. And so when I said, "Hey, take all my emails, make them public," that had never been done before, ever, by anybody. And so we've been sorting our way through this because it is kind of a unique situation.

I'm happy people are looking at the emails. Some of them are you know, frankly a little embarrassing. You know, you find out that sometimes I'm not the best on technology and things like that. But look, I think it's great, let people sort them through. And as we have seen, there is a lot of—you know, a lot of interest. But it's something that took time to get done.

This article was already too long to get into the non-transparency business, but that archive is VAST. ||| Reason
Reason

The Federal Records Act and Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which together require federal employees to retain and make available to the public documents generated as part of their work, were not designed to be advisory laws, open to the interpretative discretion of the officials they constrain. They were adopted to give the people—me, you, the drunk at the bar (but I repeat myself)—access to evidence of what is being done in our name and on our dime. As Dan Metcalfe, the longtime former founding director of Justice Department's Office of Information and Privacy, and a professed potential Clinton voter, explained in Politico last year,

[T]he starting point for handling a FOIA request is the search that an agency must conduct for all records responsive to that request's particular specifications. So any FOIA request that requires an agency first to locate responsive email messages sent to or from that agency's head, for instance, is necessarily dependent on those records being locatable in the first place. And an agency simply cannot do that properly for any emails (let alone all such emails) that have been created, and are maintained, entirely beyond the agency's reach. Or, as it sometimes is said somewhat cynically in the FOIA community, "You can't disclose what you can't find."

In this case, which is truly unprecedented, no matter what Secretary Clinton would have one believe, she managed successfully to insulate her official emails, categorically, from the FOIA, both during her tenure at State and long after her departure from it—perhaps forever. 

Forget for the moment all the outstanding legal issues involved here, and focus solely on the morality of it: If making records publicly available and searchable is right, what Hillary Clinton did was unequivocally wrong. The State Department during her tenure produced "inaccurate and incomplete" responses to public records requests, partly as a result of the secretary's unusual email system, according to an Inspector General's report this month. I think it's safe to conclude that when your judgment produces errors, you are guilty of an "error in judgment."

Clinton's incoherent responses here—why did she apologize, and how can the Register's criticism be "fair," if nothing she did was "wrong"?—are also telling. As a quarter-century of Clintonian crisis P.R. has demonstrated, she will say and do whatever she feels is necessary in the micro-moment—including flat-out lying—in an attempt to make a scandal go away. The tactic is self-evidently effective enough as power politics, but it's also worth observing that this is only the second truly contested election Hillary Clinton has ever competed in, and the first one didn't exactly go as planned.

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  1. Referring to yourself as the “drunk at the bar”, Mr. Welch?

    It doesn’t have to be AA, but please, for the sake of your family, friends and co-workers, seek help.

    1. MAKE THE BAD MAN STOP SAYING MEANIE THINGS ABOUT POOR HIWARRY

    2. I thought he was calling me “the drunk at the bar”, but I could be wrong as I am drunk.

      1. But are you at a bar?

        1. mary stays home and drinks wine out of a box with a crazy-straw

          1. You can pry the frozen alcohol pouch from my cold, cirrhosis’d hands.

              1. I’ve had one of the margarita ones. It wasn’t completely terrible.

            1. Milk isn’t the only drink that comes in bags.

      2. Matt is “you” and “you/Matt” is/are drunk at a bar.

  2. Clinton should be in a fucking orange jumpsuit the next time she appears on camera.

    1. But we all know she won’t be. Laws are meant to constrain the peasants, not royalty.

      1. Even Nixon had enough moral sense to resign when the smoking gun was found.

        1. I think I recall reading about how Nixon was pushed by the Republican leadership:

          On the night of August 7, 1974, Senators Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott and Congressman John Jacob Rhodes met with Nixon in the Oval Office and told him that his support in Congress had all but disappeared. Rhodes told Nixon that he would face certain impeachment when the articles came up for vote in the full House. Goldwater and Scott told the president that there were enough votes in the Senate to convict him, and that no more than 15 Senators were willing to vote for acquittal.

          Realizing that he had no chance of staying in office, Nixon decided to resign.

        2. She has to be President first so she can resign from the Presidency. Duh!

      1. Bazing!

  3. Hilarious pic on Drudge of how the Queen has porked up in recent years.

    I don’t think those rumors about her health are going anywhere, because I suspect there’s truth to them.

      1. Stress eating, probably. I’m sure it’s very taxing to have to explain yourself to people you consider beneath you, and Hillary considers everyone to be beneath her, and now having to put up with that commie actually challenging her in the primary and “steal” some of her votes can also be quite stressful.

        1. There are various medications that can cause weight gain.

          1. I understand that large doses of alcohol causes weight gain. 90% of all drunks call their drink of choice “medicine” so I suppose you are correct.

  4. I’m really confused what she is attempting to say. If she never did anything wrong, why does she think it was a mistake not to apologize?

    1. I don’t think she even knows.

    2. Because people want to hear an apology.

      1. And she’s actually used variations of “I’m sorry you feel that way.”

    3. “I’m sorry I’m not sorry.” That is how a Clinton gives it to you straight.

    4. It’s fun to watch the mental gymnastics necessary to support a baldfaced lie as evidence mounts against it. She apologizes for not apologizing sooner, then rescinds the apology for the apology because she didn’t do anything wrong. She wants us to believe there was no wrongdoing in operating the server. Not only is operating the server a crime, it has the specific purpose of concealing further and more significant crimes. She cannot be at once ignorant of the effects to security of moving all that data and storing it off-campus, concealing her communications from compliance with FOIA, and have an apparent understanding of what ‘convenient features and capabilities’ doing so would give her. “I was only aware of the advantages to convenience, not the crime!”

      First, she tried to conceal the evidence, then she denied its existence, then she tried to destroy it, then, after it had been dragged into the light of day, maintains it doesn’t indicate any crimes. As with Benghazi, as with the uranium deal, she takes a crap right in front of everyone and pretends it doesn’t stink.

      1. She thinks it’s a fair criticism that she didn’t apologize for not apologizing sooner, but she can’t not not apologize for doing anything wrong. Even if the things she did were not not wrong, she wasn’t fully not unaware that they were not un-wrong. See?

    5. She makes a lot of these rambling, disjointed responses that aren’t coherent up to even ask a follow up question besides “What the hell are you babbling about?”

      That’s the strategy. It works in interviews because she only faces progressive lapdogs.

  5. “As a quarter-century of Clintonian crisis P.R. has demonstrated, she will say and do whatever she feels is necessary in the micro-moment”

    That’s an outstanding way of describing it. You never know what she’s going to try next.

    I fully expect her to be visiting black churches with her hair in corn rows by the end of the month.

    1. She’s an abuela, for shit’s sake.

      1. Not my abuela.

      2. Abuela abominable.

    2. No, that would be cultural appropriation. I’m sure she has advisors to tell her how to make the proper gestures to various groups.

      1. In reality, corn rows were invented by ancient Amerind maize farmers…but yes, it would still be cultural appropriation.

    3. Maybe she can bring Rachel Dolezal with her.

  6. I wonder what the media reaction would be if it came out that Trump Enterprises kept a second set of financial books so his stockholders and the IRS couldn’t see what was going on.

    1. As long as he only did it for convenience so he didn’t have to keep using the same old books, it would be fine. Move on, this is old news!

      1. The IRS and SEC are just trying to embarrass him by demanding details about his yoga sessions and planning his daughter’s wedding! /derp

        1. It would be a vast IRS/SEC-wing conspiracy.

      2. Because what can be more convenient than setting up your own server, rather than using one already set up for you? Using the one run by someone else, set up specifically for you, is obviously WAY more inconvenient than setting your own up in your basement. Especially for someone who can’t run a fax machine.

  7. What was the rational for running the private serverd in the first place? I don’t think I ever got that part of the story.

    1. “Convenience.” This was originally attributed to not wanting to carry more than one mobile device. Then that excuse mutated after shown to be a lie.

      1. If she had actually been candid and said “to cover my tracks, of course” most democrats would be doing mental gymnastics to justify that too.

    2. Fuck you. That’s why.

    3. 1) She wanted to use a single device to read all her email…

      2) State department IT was too overwhelmed to provide her with spam-free email that wasn’t drowning in death threats, republican hate mail etc.

      1. “1) She wanted to use a single device to read all her email…”

        If that were true, she could have just used the official email account and had all her other email forwarded to it. So, that seems more like an excuse than a reason.

        “2) State department IT was too overwhelmed to provide her with spam-free email that wasn’t drowning in death threats, republican hate mail etc.”

        It would have been trivial to have a public versus semi-private government address and to use the semi-private government address for day to day business. Every other prominent official in the US government gets by.

        1. Hey, I didn’t say they were good reasons, or that they made any sense at all!!! 😉

          I’m just sharing her official rationale in all its vacuous, insane, cringe-worthy & risible glory!

          It’s no different than if rts had asked what Lena Durnham was wearing in the latest episode of ‘Girls’ and I linked to a picture of her nekkid because she was flopping around sky-clad in that episode.

          1. “Lena Durnham .. ./l./;and I linked to a picture of her nekkid”

            You are a horrible, horrible person.

            1. Lena Dunham needs to be a nevernude.

      2. 1) She wanted to use a single device to read all her email…

        As preposterous as this explanation is to anyone with even the slightest modicum of tech literacy, the sad fact is that there are scores of people to whom it makes perfect sense. I have some older members of my family that are filled with an unbridled shit-your-pants enthusiasm over the Sanders campaign but will reliably pull the lever for Clinton should she win the nomination. They share an email address because having individual accounts is impossibly confusing what with all that “cc” and “reply all” black magic and no amount of tutoring would ever enlighten them. They would completely accept Clinton’s ridiculous explanation not because it makes sense in the real world, but because it makes sense to them. I’m not going to launch a litany of indictments against their willful technological ignorance because they are after all family and I care for them deeply. The reason I mention them is that this should serve as a sobering reminder of who will be selecting the person that will decide this country’s tech policy for the next four years.

      3. No, that was the excuse she used after she got caught.

        The reason was plainly clear, to avoid any oversite or scrutiny over her emails.

        I suspect that there is actually some grain of truth to her being confused by the technology and not wanting to manage 2 accounts and that grain being she knew that she was engaging in some activities that were at the very least in a very very grey area of the law and would be very bad for her chances at the White House if they came out and she wasn’t sure that she could keep the 2 emails seperate so she had them all moved to the private server so that should they be supeona’d her people could scrub the before turning anything over.

    4. “What was the rational for running the private serverd in the first place?”

      She wanted to control access to any information from any FOIA requests. But of course she can’t come out and admit that, so she’s drummed up some pretty weak official reasons.

      1. Basically, to cover her tracks.

    5. so it’d be harder to find out that she was selling official state action to foreign entitites for donations to the Clinton Foundation.

      1. That is the obvious reason.

  8. I can’t believe how stupid her opponents continue to be. In addition to cutting a commercial with her lies over the visuals (deplaning under fire, etc.), make another with scandal after scandal on screen with her saying “Nothing I did was wrong” over and over after each one, cut to Nixon saying “I am not a crook”.

    I’d almost like to see a Trump vs. Clinton match because he’s just about the only one who would do such a thing. Well, maybe Putin would too.

    1. I think my disappointment with the Repubs stems as much from their adamant refusal to inflict pain on apparatchiks and political scum as anything else. They could have barbecued Obama in 2012 by running ads showing him saying one thing and doing/saying the opposite later. And they could barbecue Hillary in much the same way.

      But they won’t. Such missed opportunities for karmic justice pain me.

      1. They could have barbecued Obama in 2012 by running ads showing him saying one thing and doing/saying the opposite later. And they could barbecue Hillary in much the same way.

        Why should they? The things Obama flipped on were things the Republicans liked!

        1. That didn’t stop the Democrats from crucifying the first President Bush in 1992 over going back on his ‘No new taxes!’ pledge.

      2. They aren’t known as “The Stupid Party” for nothing.

      3. Trump might.

        He’s an asshole. But he might be just the asshole for the moment.

        1. When you need to get shit all over someone, it’s good to have an asshole available.

          1. I’d prefer to see most of the civilized world shit all over Her Royal Highness Hillary I, but I’ll settle for having Trump do it.

            Or, well, anyone.

        2. There are three kinds of people in this world: Dicks, pussies, and assholes.

      4. They probably don’t because most of them are just as corrupt and they know that if they take the gloves off, it’ll just be a matter of time before something they did comes to light. Especially since if they did go after Shrillary full force, the media would start looking under every fucking rock for dirt to use against them.

        1. I have been thinking this for several years, now.

      5. I understand why the establishment won’t do that. What I don’t understand is why there aren’t any firebrand PACs out there devoted to just ripping candidates to shreds. Hell, I’d love to see a “We’re All Boned” PAC that just ripped every single candidate.

        1. I know, that’s what Citizens United is for.

        2. I would contribute to that PAC.

      6. “I think my disappointment with the Repubs stems as much from their adamant refusal to inflict pain on apparatchiks and political scum as anything else.”

        Ding ding ding.

        They refuse to fight back. Refuse to hold the criminals accountable.

        Vote Woodchipper 2016

  9. My theory is that she had an advisor who told her that it was best to run a private server and kept pushing her on it for some reason and she relented. Why? Sometimes people just like running private servers. She was starting a new job and was probably overwhelmed with big decisions and thought she could let this one slide. I’ll give her a pass on this. I have a much bigger problem with her claim that Benghazi was due to a video. Susan Rice was pushing the same line and later Loretta was saying that ‘rhetoric’ was her biggest fear. Why are these gals so afraid of speech? Because it’s NOT coming from Obozo. He’s actually been pretty good on stuff like that.

    1. /smacks sarcasmeter in case the needle is stuck and needs freeing.

    2. “overwhelmed with big decisions “

      Yeah, like how to avoid any oversight, transparency, while she used the office of SoS as a platform for fundraising for the Clinton Foundation. She was swamped!

    3. Sometimes people just like running private servers.

      Hillary, secret member of the MIT Hacker Club

      1. Only true masochists enjoy running mail servers.

    4. “My theory is”

      My theory is a little bit different:

      When Shrills got the job, she and Bill said, “Let’s milk this bitch for all it’s worth”.

      Being natural born criminals, they knew they needed to keep her worldwide fundraising secret, thus they decided to work outside the normal channels.

      Being stupid old fogeys, they had no idea how to do it well.

    5. My theory is that she had an advisor who told her that it was best to run a private server and kept pushing her on it for some reason and she relented. Why? Sometimes people just like running private servers. She was starting a new job and was probably overwhelmed with big decisions and thought she could let this one slide. I’ll give her a pass on this. I have a much bigger problem with her claim that Benghazi was due to a video. Susan Rice was pushing the same line and later Loretta was saying that ‘rhetoric’ was her biggest fear. Why are these gals so afraid of speech? Because it’s NOT coming from Obozo. He’s actually been pretty good on stuff like that. apologist progtard bullshit.

      FTFY

  10. Hillary Clinton Is Above Your Little Oversight Laws: ‘Nothing I did was wrong’

    And her shit probably doesn’t stink either….if she ever bothers to take one.

    1. Lizard people don’t need to shit, they derive nutrients from fecal matter.

  11. If anybody else remembers many in the Clinton administration never received their security clearance for the entire 8 years so its no wonder that Hillary does not think anything is a secret except for her own life that is.

  12. Times are tough when Chris Cuomo gets the upper hand.

  13. Noted by someone the other day – David Brock bought a media-outlet and is using it to promote important stories like:

    Hillary is the MOST Honest and Ethical Candidate of All-Time… and Everyone Else is a Lying Scumturd Who Needs to Die

    1. From the article:

      “But the fact is this: no one has ever produced an iota of evidence that Hillary has behaved improperly because of a campaign contribution.”

      Straw man beatings, matinees and evening shows!

      1. Technically those tens of millions funneled into the Clinton Foundation weren’t “Campaign Donations”. TRUTH BURN, CRITICS

      2. So he’s cool with Citizens United, I presume?

    2. That’s some grade-A comedy right there!! Clinton, not only honest, but the MOST honest!!

      The only people I know of more deceitful and manipulative than Clinton are Hernando Cortez and Havelock Vetinari, and of those two one lied his way into conquering an empire and the other is fictional.

      1. FACT = HITLER NEVER MURDERED ANYONE WITH HIS OWN HANDS

        1. Better:

          It is gratifying to Hillary’s friends and supporters (and infinitely vexing to her detractors) that rank-and-file Democrats see through the spin and connect to Hillary on a personal level. These are the voters across America who are poised to carry her to the Democratic nomination and ultimately to the White House, sending a monumentally important and inspiring message to women and girls across the globe.

          Wow.

          You know how sometimes you can fool someone and bring them along with a con…. then it goes a step too far? Yeah, there he went. Regular folks connect with Hillary on a personal level? That’s never been a claim of even her strongest supporters.

          But it is truly the most important thing ever that we send a monumentally important and inspiring message to women and girls across the globe by electing a woman. That’s what’s really important here.

          1. “”connect to Hillary on a personal level””

            I can imagine that the people he’s trying to reach out to… the soccer-moms who are so desperate to want to vote for hillary… who were nodding along at his rhythmic appeal to unthinking TEAM devotion… suddenly woke up at those words and went, “huh?” “Wait, what? are you kidding? “Personal Level”? she’s an ice-cold bitch-queen who would have her own grand-children burned on an altar to Kali Ma if it gave her more power. Who the fuck do you think you’re fooling?”

          2. Even if HillBot were programmed to have emotions and feelings, she would be disgusted to go anywhere near “regular folks.”

          3. She doesn’t have a driver’s license and doesn’t know how to use the computer thingy. Never mind all the other criticisms, she comes with just those two items like someone’s one foot in the grave grandmother. So relatable.

        2. He used the hands of Orlac.

      2. And so when I said, “Hey, take all my emails, make them public,” that had never been done before, ever, by anybody.

        Clinton-truth. That is true that nobody else has ever handed over all their e-mails – because everybody else understood that their official correspondence is a government record and never kept their e-mails on a private server so that they were in a position of having to hand over their e-mails in order for the government to have them. It’s like the world’s biggest crook returning the money he stole and claiming nobody else has ever handed over so much money as he. That’s because nobody ever stole that damn much money, you asshole.

        1. Or a better analogy might be Richard Nixon boasting about his honesty and transparency in turning over the tapes to the Watergate commission – no other President has ever turned over their secret tape recordings, have they? Score one for Richard Nixon!

          1. I think that’s pretty much the line he took when he handed over the *expletive deleted* transcripts.

    3. When in doubt, go for the BIG lie.

  14. “I’m happy people are looking at the emails. Some of them are you know, frankly a little embarrassing.”

    People like the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community?

    Her shenanigans will at least cost her the election.

    1. Her shenanigans will at least cost her the election.

      No Irishman can stop you from being dog killer this time!

    2. Her shenanigans will at least cost her the election.

      Not a chance. People who are likely to vote for Hillary are immune to this sort of thing. There can be no smoking gun that is smokey enough to get them to change their mind. The only question is whether the squishy middle of the electorate is fed up with Obama-Bush and the spend-and-bomb theory of economics. She can certainly get elected if the Republicans decline to nominate a viable candidate.

      1. I’m not so sure. There are the true believers who will defend her adn support her no matter what. But there are a lot more people who don’t like her, but might vote for her depending on who the Republicans end up running. I think this could influence the decisions of “swing voters”.

        1. Zeb is correct.

        2. I will add that the number of people who will actually go vote for Hillary are grossly overestimated by those innumerable voices who’ve been claiming she’s had it in the bag since 2012. Who the fuck do they think is actually going to go vote for her? There’s always the diehard losers (there would be no left without them), but do they think the blacks who put Obobo in office are going to vote for an old white hag? Puh-lease, they are not going to give a warm shit about this election.

        3. Watching Amy Shumer on SNL about a month ago, during her monologue she said “I was talking the other day to Hillary Clinton….”. She then hesitated and leaned forward with a half smile, waiting for the big applause. Nothing. Not a response. She then went on with her barely funny shtick.

          It was telling, a NY crowd, young, pro Dem, if she had said “I was talking the other day to Barrack Obama….” everyone would have cheered. I think if she had said “I was talking…to Bernie Sanders….” they would have cheered. But, Hillary….nothing.

          Very revealing. I think if you’ve lost the SNL home team, you’ve lost the race. She might be better organized than Bernie, and if Bernie starts winning I think it will get very vicious from her side, so she might win the nomination but I don’t think she’ll get out the vote.

    3. Her shenanigans will at least cost her the election.

      If you think that, see dajjal above. She will be “given a pass” on this.

      1. OK, I already saw dajjal.

        She will not be “given a pass”. This is serious shit she’s in; and the associated problems (lying, lack of judgment, disregard for the law, toadies “not picking up” on her lack of markings — to name just a few) will compound the stink enormously.

        1. Keep in mind, the only people necessary for Hillary to get a complete and total pass on her email felonies are:

          (1) Barack Obama.

          (2) Loretta Lynch.

          Her fate hangs on her future usefulness to those two. Not on right or wrong, legal or illegal. Purely on whether they think they can extract enough value from her to kill the indictment.

          For that reason, I think her odds are good.

          1. The FBI will be ticked if they recommend prosecution and Obama and Lynch don’t do anything. There are supposedly 150 agents on the case. Someone will leak, and independent voters will not like that, at all. I think Hillary is toast.

            1. I think too many Democrat men know how bad what she did was. Too many government workers who know what all this means. Dem housewives, maybe not so much. But, I’ve read a lot of comments on various leftie sites that say things like “Been a Dem my whole life, I hate Republicans, but what Hillary did would have gotten me or anyone I know fired instantly and we don’t handle top secret stuff. She has to be indicted and I’ll sit out this election rather than vote for her if she wins the nomination.”

              Even those who defend her always do so in the ‘yeah, well Bush lied and people died’ manner, rather than actually defend her.

            2. “The FBI will be ticked if they recommend prosecution and Obama and Lynch don’t do anything. ”

              And? Why should Obama care?

              Apres nous, le deluge!

  15. “nothing that I did was wrong”

    I would love to see some journolist ask Hillary for her definition of “wrong”. Because I guarantee you the only definition of the word she can possibly understand= factually incorrect.

    1. I would love to see some journolist ask Hillary for her definition of “wrong”.

      I’m sure it is something along the lines of proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. So if it isn’t proven in court, or never goes to court, then it isn’t wrong.

  16. It’s amusing that the key-words under the article are “Hillary Clinton” and “Transparency

  17. “The Federal Records Act and Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), which together require federal employees to retain and make available to the public documents generated as part of their work, were not designed to be advisory laws”

    Meh… This sounds a little like prosecuting “journalists” for false IDs. Is this part of the whole Two Minutes Of Clinton Hate thing?

    1. So you are going on record stating that transparency in government isn’t important?

      1. No, he’s just being a dipshit. Ignore him.

      2. The Communist Party will never get anywhere in America if you let the public dig through their dirty laundry

        1. They don’t really need our help as I see it. They fought and died against the police and military so that people would have the right to join a union, went to jail in opposition to ww1, campaigned for women’s suffrage and against prohibition, marched for racial equality before it was cool, faught against Franco’s fascists and Hitler’s Nazis (their European counterparts were largely responsible for the defeat of hitler), faced down mccarthy’s Red-batters, and opposed Lbj’s and Tricky Dick’s war. Pretty good record, I think.

          1. Sure, and provided enthusiastic support for the Soviet Union’s murder of tens of millions, enslavement of hundreds of millions. Aint Feelgood-Politics just grand?

            “”BUT THEY HAD A BAKE SALE!??”””

            1. AND THEN THEY HAD A FUNERAL FOR EMMETT TILL AND THEN THEY RODE THOSE BUSES INTO ANNISTON WHILE AYN RAND COMPLAINED ABOUT DIRTY HIPPIES.

              1. I love when progtard morons bring up that shitty novelist as though she’s the Pope of libertarianism or something.

          2. Insofar as any of those are accomplishments (great job on stopping thoe wars, by the way), none of them are attributable to the Communist Party.

            And let’s ask the Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, and other peoples of Eastern Europe about how thankful they are to the Communists.

            1. AmSoc is great ful to the communist democrats. Else he might have been faced to pay back that mortgage he skipped on.

          3. And they would have been ground under Hitler’s heel in short order if it were not for the US providing them and England the tools to wage war with because the Soviet economy couldn’t even feed their own population much less feed and equip an army.

            Pretty shitty record actually.

            All the Soviets did was sacrifice their citizens lives but not their own.

            1. The Soviets did eventually develop their own manufacturing and industry to win the war.

              … after basically abandoning communism and adopting an economic system markedly similar to the fascists that they claimed to be diametrically opposed to.

      3. No, I’m saying there are more important things to attack Clinton about. Starting with her detestable Iraq War vote and her handling of the mess in Libya. There are better ways to go about it then the way unhinged right-wingers do so as they come across as crazy assholes. I’m no fan of Hillary Clinton, but I don’t need to cite the death of Vincent foster to express my dissapproval. She’s a boring centrist technocrat not a spider-women carefully pulling on the tentacles of power so that she can consume us all. I wish you guys would treat her more as the former.

        1. No, I’m saying there are more important things to attack Clinton about.

          Violating information security laws and telling aides to scrub classified markings from documents and send them over niprnet are pretty fucking serious. It’s felony-level malfeaseance, and with as much evidence as we have now, would result in charges under the Espionage Act if it was anyone other than her, particularly the ones that were graded above the TS level.

          How could anyone in the military or intelligence community respect a commander-in-chief who so openly flouted security laws that would get them crucified if they did the same thing?

        2. “No, I’m saying there are more important things to attack Clinton about”

          There is probably nothing more important to attack Clinton on. Four years of illegal activity at the State Department.

    2. I thought people who produced false IDs deserved to be raped?

      1. FALSE raped… Like women on college campuses.

    3. american socialist|1.26.16 @ 11:05AM|#
      “Meh… This sounds a little like prosecuting “journalists” for false IDs.”

      That’s because your IQ matches your shoe size; we have come to expect that of you.
      Fuck off, slaver.

    4. Tell us more about how Nixon didn’t do anything wrong.

    5. Socialists believe in using guns to rule people – why suppose they would feel reticence to use lies or crime?

  18. A male journalist brings the full power of the patriarchy down upon a woman running for president, and his be-penised, journalistic fraternity brother approves.

    -Lena Dunham.

    1. Be-penised?

        1. No. You. YOU SHUT UP.

      1. I always thought, “Be-testicled” rolled off the… uh, Sounded Better.

      2. I like “be-penised”. Its a set with the surgically “de-penised”, and if they reverse the operation, the “re-penised”.

        1. And when bedded by Sean Connery, she’s “the-penised mightier”.

          Suck it, Trebek.

          1. Alternatively, you could have made a Zardoz reference.

      3. Sounds like a Harry Potter spell.

        1. TESTICULOUS!

      4. I always use “enpenised.”

    2. I guess a woman running for President just can’t be bothered with things like complying with the law. Its just all so complicated. Why worry her pretty little head?

      1. As SoS, she wouldn’t have to worry about anything. IT would have set everything up for her and she would never have been asked about it. She had to tell them not to set it up.

        1. Well, *she* didn’t. She just made it known to an aide that the default setup was sooooooo complicated and was there any way that things could be made simpler?

          1. Will no one rid me of this troublesome packet switching protocol?

    1. Rausenberg is facing up to life in prison at his sentencing on Thursday.

      I think that is too harsh of a sentence. Just because he molested several children does not me that he should have to spend life in prison. Whatever the normal sentence is for a molester should suffice.

    2. No, we already saw the story about you. Nice photo, BTW. Too bad about the van.

      1. Christ. The guy obviously has problems but – don’t run, just deny. All they got is the word of someone else.

        Just go the Bart Simpson route

        “I didn’t do it.
        No one saw me do it.
        You can’t prove anything, anyway”

        1. The Shaggy defense: Wasn’t me

  19. Be silent Plebe, it is not your place to question the Empress.

    1. Can I fart in her general direction?

  20. ‘Nothing I Did Was Wrong’

    She’s not necessarily incorrect here – ‘wrong’ is depending on your moral framework. What she did was certainly*illegal*, but – to her – not wrong.

    And really, even if there’s legitimate doubt that she had the mens rea to commit a crime here (that she knew what she was doing is illegal and went ahead and did it anyway), there are several people on her and the State Department’s IT staff that should be getting banged up right now. Its *their job* to know these things. There’s tons of underlings – permanent staff – that are aware of the UGS’s records retention laws. They have *documentation* that these people have received training. Its an annual requirement to simply be allowed to *use* IT assets in the military.

    I’d (sort of) love to see these guys getting banged up and the have Hillary have to stand up and explain how she, the head of this organization, was the only one involved who didn’t know what was going on.

    Because the truth is there’s a whole slew of people that would have had to be fairly incompetent, from the IT department on into HR, for something like this to happen ‘innocently’.

    So either she was an incompetent leader leading an incompetent agency or she deliberately fostered an atmosphere of conspiracy to violate the law.

    1. I’d (sort of) love to see these guys getting banged up and the have Hillary have to stand up and explain how she, the head of this organization, was the only one involved who didn’t know what was going on.

      How old are you?

      Because that’s exactly what happened with Whitewater and she fucking got away with it. Everybody else went to jail, while she the one who ‘made’ the most money walked away scot free.

    2. “she deliberately fostered an atmosphere of conspiracy to violate the law.””

      The email where she instructs subordinates to strip classification headers off documents and fax through an outside nonsecure system was pretty clearly demonstrating mes rea, IMO. She knew what the rules were and why they were there and how they worked and was telling everyone to ignore them and even providing technical awareness of the means of how to do that.

      1. I know, that’s the smoking gun of a serious federal crime. Of course if she were a Republican, it would have been blasted across every headline by now.

    3. For the last 7 years, President Obama has addressed nearly every scandal with some variation of ‘I just found about this on the news! I’m just as outraged about it as you are! I promise to get to the bottom of this!’ and then after a few weeks ‘Why are you still talking about that? That’s old news!’

      He knows that his party will block any attempt to hold him accountable by the other branches of government, and the media will downplay the story or portray him in the most favorable light, and his detractors as crazy conspiracy nuts or partisan witch-hunters.

      Why would you think his successor would be any different? Or that the voters would care?

      1. ‘Why are you still talking about that? That’s old news!’

        and then

        “Not even a smidgen of corruption.”

        Basically just pissing in our faces and asking us how we like the rain.

    4. This was one of the most infuriating things about the coverage of the whole thing when it first broke – the press kept breathlessly reporting on the State Department investigation and where it was leading. You cannot possibly be so retarded as to not understand that what Hillary was doing was so big and blatant that the State Department couldn’t possibly be ignorant of what was going on. There was no “State Department investigation” it was a “State Department cover-up” of their own role in enabling Hillary to be a big fat slimy crook. Therefore, the only reason you could be pretending to be this retarded is because you think we’re all retarded and when the State Department issues the results of its investigation and concludes that there really was no serious wrong-doing here, just a few little mistakes requiring a little more training and a few clarifications to the procedures manual perhaps, you’re going to report that the State Department has cleared Hillary and that’s the end of the story. The press’ investigation of the State Department investigation of Hillary was just as transparently bagged as the State Departments investigation – it’s like Bugsy Siegel telling us that Al Capone’s investigation of Dutch Shultz is going to get to the bottom of this Mafia business.

      1. The other most infuriating thing about this whole thing is that we’ve allowed lawyers to get away with their bullshit lying and cheating by arguing the nuances of the meaning of words. They argue like a four-year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar. “No, ma, you said I couldn’t have any cookeeeeez, and, see? I’m only taking one cookie, not cookeeeeez. You don’t argue with the brat, you don’t just say, “Well, I guess you got me on a technicality there.” No, you smack the kid twice as hard, once for disobeying you and then again for thinking he was going to get away with some bullshit about the cookie/cookies distinction. You knew full well what you were doing was wrong, Hillary, so don’t give me any of this crap about the letter of the law being a little blurry after you wipe the ink with a cloth or something. The fact that you’re coming up with this crap tells me you were with malice aforethought thinking up a way to get away with cheating the system.

      2. “when the State Department issues the results of its investigation”

        State is not directing an investigation. The investigation as to whether clinton broke any laws in her use of an outside server for offical Gov business was handed to inspectors general, who then determined that there was sufficient reason to recommend the DoJ take over. The inspectors general handed the issue to the FBI in July, and they took possession of her server in August of 2015.

        The role State is playing in their monthly email-dumps is related to a court-order demanding they provide all Sec Clinton’s emails as part of a FOIA request. That is above and beyond what they provided to the House Benghazi committee related to their specific request.

        this is just to the best of my knowledge, but i think its more-accurate than your characterization of “State’s” role.

    5. First republican who promises woodchippers for the whole lot gets my vote.

      Vote Woodchipper 2016!

  21. “…it’s also worth observing that this is only the second truly contested election Hillary Clinton has ever competed in, and the first one didn’t exactly go as planned.”

    And God willing this will not either.

  22. If we accept her statement that she never sent anything marked classified via her private server, it stretches credulity that she never had a need to do that. How *did* she communicate classified material? Encrypted telephone, radio, or telegraph? Registered mail? State department courier? Always? BS!

    When I worked for companies in the defense industry I had a security clearance. Even the people who cleaned the office areas had to have them. But even at my relatively low level of the hierarchy, I knew when info was classified, I knew how to (and how not to) handle it, and what the penalties were if I failed to comply. Just because a document isn’t marked “Classified” doesn’t mean it’s not. (I never saw that exact word; has to be “confidential,” “secret,” “top secret,” etc., to show the level of access required). It is the responsibility of everyone in the chain of communication to know what to do and how to do it. E.g., you can’t just throw a document away when you’re done with it, or even shred it. It has to be burned, and be under proper supervision all the way to the furnace.

    If I sent sensitive info to someone via my private e-mail account and were discovered, I would probably be posting this from a jail cell, be several tens of thousands of dollars poorer, and certainly never employed in the defense industry again. Why not Hillary, if she did that? How can her supporters be so blind or be willing to give her a pass on this?

    1. If we accept her statement that she never sent anything marked classified via her private server, it stretches credulity that she never had a need to do that. How *did* she communicate classified material?

      You know, it’s actually really surprising to me (but perhaps shouldn’t be at this point), but this is the first time I’ve seen that question asked.

      1. It’s been asked and answered. Hillary said something along the lines of (condescending smile) “You know, I do know a few other diplomats and heads of state personally. I also have their phone numbers. And if I need to give some dire advice to president Obama about capturing Osama bin laden, he will, ahem, pencil me in.”

  23. Perhaps she thinks the statute of limitations on actual crimes is the same as for scandals: ie a few news cycles. Perhaps she doesn’t understand the difference between a scandal and a crime. That is how she is acting.

    1. Perhaps she doesn’t understand the difference between a scandal and a crime.

      For the Clintons (at least Bill and Hillary, distaff relatives not so much), there is no difference.

      1. distaff relatives

        … does not mean what I thought it meant.

        People who aren’t useful to Bill or Hillary don’t count for the above characterization.

      2. Indeed. I don’t think there’s any doubt that both of them have committed multiple felonies, yet neither has ever even been prosecuted.

        In their world, there is only scandal and PR problems, not crimes and legal problems.

      3. What politician does?

        1. Well, Nixon had to resign, which is about as close to a punishment as such a person is likely to get. Lots of politicians have gone to jail; far too few of them have lost elections as a consequence.

  24. “I’m happy people are looking at the emails. Some of them are you know, frankly a little embarrassing. You know, you find out that sometimes I’m not the best on technology and things like that. But look, I think it’s great, let people sort them through. And as we have seen, there is a lot of?you know, a lot of interest. But it’s something that took time to get done.”

    Whatever Hillary, you are so full of shit, happy that the public is reading your emails? What a joke for a candidate, but then again, aren’t they all?

    1. I think that’s the saddest part of this whole election cycle. A country of 320 million people, and this lot, apparently, is the best we can come up with for candidates. We would do better choosing a President by lot. And dogs should be eligible.

    2. SNL … http://www.nbc.com/saturday-ni…..en/2851620

  25. Hlilary Clinton making an error in anything, you have got to be kidding. Otherwise Say It Isn’t So Joe,Say It Isn’t So.

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  27. Hillary Clinton: often wrong, never sorry.

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  30. I mean, let’s be fair. It’s not Hillary Clinton’s fault that she says she’s above oversight. Hillary says whatever is polling well with Democrats. “Hillary did nothing wrong” is polling very well with Democrats.

  31. I’d like someone to ask Hillary at every campaign appearance: If you’re elected next November, will you promise now to use only government-approved e-mail servers for your correspondence, or do you plan to set up another private e-mail server for your use?

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