Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg is thinking about running for president, presumably on the theory that what this race really needs is another New York billionaire with terrible ideas. The New York Timesreports:
Michael R. Bloomberg has instructed advisers to draw up plans for a potential independent campaign in this year's presidential race. His advisers and associates said he was galled by Donald J. Trump's dominance of the Republican field, and troubled by Hillary Clinton's stumbles and the rise of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont on the Democratic side….
Mr. Bloomberg, 73, has already taken concrete steps toward a possible campaign, and has indicated to friends and allies that he would be willing to spend at least $1 billion of his fortune on it, according to people briefed on his deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss his plans. He has set a deadline for making a final decision in early March, the latest point at which advisers believe Mr. Bloomberg could enter the race and still qualify to appear as an independent candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.
More than anyone else in public life today, Bloomberg embodies the idea of managerial control. He will endorse the pettiest restrictions on human behavior as long as he can convince himself that they're for everyone's own good, and he isn't shy about enforcing his intrusive rules with intrusive policing. On the plus side, I doubt there's more than 50 people in the world who'd actually want him to be president. Then again, that's what I thought about Trump.
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Right... and Trump's going to lose Iowa to Cruz. I mean I wish that were true, even though Cruz lost my vote in the general, I'd still be good with him winning the nomination. You proggies however are ruled by feelinz and not logic and reason.
Throwing 'Tulpa' on top of the other words and terms you don't understand isn't going to save. Just STFU and stop digging. This is a place for adults, hence you're not needed here.
Should Trump manage to get into the WH he'll accomplish absolutely nothing because there's no one in the establishment who'd be willing to support him.
Sanders is insane and evil, sure, but there are a *tooooon* of people on the left side of the aisle who think exactly as he does and even more that share some of his ideas.
And HRC is the Democratic establishment candidate - anything she said while in office would be parroted right back by the party faithful.
Hillary Clinton is quite explicit about this when she said, "we really need camps for adults".
Of course, they're going to be fun camps run by right-thinking progressives. Kind of like America's institutions of higher learning have already offered fun freshman orientation and ongoing indoctrination in political correctness.
As I have gotten older, I have decided we really need camps for adults. And we need adults camps that you all run. Really. None of the serious stuff. None of the life-challenging stuff? more fun. I think we have a huge fun deficit in America.
Because Hillary is synonymous with fun, people. Let's hope she doesn't keep getting older and make decisions about what fun stuff the rest of us need.
It's time to face it Reason. It's not the libertarian moment, we are at the moment where Liberty dies.
The top two candidates for one party, and the top candidate for the other are authoritarian thugs who will trample Liberty. Now this shithead Bloomberg wants in because he's so sure he'll be a better dictator than the other yahoos.
The boot is poised over the face it will soon be stomping on forever. Sure you may be able to smoke pot to dull the pain, but voicing your political views will land you in a camp.
If claiming this is a 'Libertarian Moment' is a stretch, claiming this is where 'liberty dies' is tearingly far-fetched. American has been through the draft, Jim Crow, and Japanese internment camps. Contrary to the less serious commenters, the USG was much more obnoxious and destructive in the 1940s. Further, the world is slowly getting freer. 'Slowly' being 'rapidly' in historical terms.
The fact that people are just piling on random terms and words in response to even my most benign posts seems to indicate that I have touched a nerve. #winning
Trump isn't anywhere near as bad as people (or himself) make him out to be. He's a media caricature and far more benign than Hillary or Bernie, who would go into office with an absolute sense of diabolical purpose.
Trump would be a caretaker executive who makes speeches and leaves the actual business of government to others. I'd wager that we'd see far more power returned to Congress and the states under Trump, if only out of necessity.
I think that Trump would be a lot like Bill Clinton, in a less silly Billy Bob sort of way. Or maybe I should say he'd be more of a populist. No one really knows what the guy will do, which is sort of scary, but he wouldn't be the Hitler that most people here make him out to be. I just don't see him going rogue like Obama and deciding what he will do despite what the majority thinks. Just the opposite.
I hope you're right. It is true that he's much more an experienced executive than an ideologue. In that sense he could be the executive we need--someone who will manage the executive branch and let the legislature make laws and the judiciary interpret the constitution. But he could be a foreign policy nightmare like Obama. Still, I suspect he would bring in a much better cabinet and support team than Obama.
Trump seems sort of reasonable on foreign policy at times and at other times, he seems batshit insane. What that means to me and I've always believed this, is that you can't pay any attention to what the guy says. He's a gamer, and the game is becoming president. Right now, that's his focus, and if he has to say crazy shit to make it happen, he's going to. It's working so why should he stop?
But if the guy actually finds himself in the WH, you'll see a different Donald. What that is, I don't know. The idea of him being there doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but I'm not shitting myself over it either.
It's not, and Hyperion's been up to nothing except personal attacks.
He and you are projecting hope as fact. I am going with what Trump SAYS he's going to do: enforce immigration laws that will require a police state, impose Smoot-Hawley 2.0, 'do something' about too much freedom of speech on the internet, etc.
He's a fascist, and anyone claiming he'll behave otherwise once in power has 1) learned nothing from history and 2) is engaged in flights of fancy far more than those claiming a 'libertarian moment'.
He's not going to impose a police state, or something that by current stds. would be considered so. He'd do things he thinks would be good in terms of immigr'n enforcement?they won't?but they won't be draconian, he'll just take credit for successes & downplay failures.
He's not a free trader on principle, but he's not going to push for anything like Smoot-Hawley, which would have to originate in Congress. He'll use executive authority within the narrow parameters available to have certain trade practices deemed violations of existing agreements, then take credit for getting other countries to lower trade barriers.
What do you think he'll "do" about freedom of the Internet? He'll just make noise about being criticized there. The his counter-criticism'll appear on the Internet too, & he'll be satisfied.
Of course he's engaged in flights of fancy. Who's in politics who isn't?
He's not a fascist, he's a loudmouth. Big difference.
I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm not worried that he's on the verge of ushering in a police state. At least not to the degree I would be under a progressive, some of whom are literally calling for reeducation camps already.
And his comments about the internet have been completely taken out of context (admittedly, because he didn't do a good job of explaining it himself, but still). He asked why we can't shut down a portion of the internet -- meaning in ISIS controlled territory. Since they're using the internet so effectively for propaganda and recruiting and communication, and since the West controls most of the internet's hardware, why not shut them down? Why are we providing ISIS with communication infrastructure?
It may not be feasible, and there may be good arguments against it, but it's not a statement that should be dismissed outright, and it certainly shouldn't be seen as some attack on the constitution.
But if the guy actually finds himself in the WH, you'll see a different Donald. What that is, I don't know. The idea of him being there doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but I'm not shitting myself over it either.
This. The people who believe what he says and freak out about it are as dumb as the ones who believe and approve. His unpredictability is cause for concern, but he wouldn't necessarily be as bad as, say, Hillary...who is genuinely evil.
I too am bemused by how so many observers "left", "right", center, & libertarian are making out Trump as so horrible. He's not my 1st or 2nd choice, maybe not even 3rd, but he's not out-&-out awful. Sure you can pick out things he's said that sound awful, but also things that sounded awfully good.
"It's time to face it Reason. It's not the libertarian moment, we are at the moment where Liberty dies."
What is dying is the dream of Libertarianism, as embodied in Declaration of Independence's call that "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men". It had a pretty good run, but it is dead. I'd prefer it that way, you'd prefer it that way, but it simply no longer has enough cultural support.
The culture that supported it will no longer do so after decades of criminal violation of that ideal by Progressives. One sided rule of law is over. The Progressives have been using government power to reward their friends and punish their enemies, while conservatives and libertarians have tried to conserve the rule of law.
It's time for those who believe in the rule of Law and a general presumption of Freedom to realize they can't have it with Progressives.
You can't have peace unless the other side wants it too. One sided peace is surrender. One sided rule of law is submission.
As The Trump would say, conservatives and libertarians have been led by losers. One sided rule of law is a chump's game. Conservatives and Libertarians have refused to *fight back in kind* against Progressive abuses of power. No more.
The dream that was the American Revolution is over. But there is plenty still worth fighting for. That's what we need to admit.
I hate harping on this - oh, who am I kidding, I *love* harping on it - but Bloomberg is the kind of person many media people and voters mean when they talk about "fiscally conservative and socially liberal."
On the economic side, it means he doesn't want to waste as much money as does the New York City Democratic Party. But then, you could say the same of a party of whisky-sodden sailors in a New Orleans brothel.
In other words, he's a big taxer and spender economically, compared to the rest of the country.
On the social side, it means he threatens penalties against anyone who makes non-PC choices about soft drinks, gay cakes, etc.
Honestly, if it weren't for his insane and high profile guns-and-slurpees crusade, he'd be a very popular guy in this country. As a lifelong resident of NYC, I really have to say that he ran the city quite well. It was only when we went off the rails in his last couple of years in office with the soda ban and other social engineering nonsense that people really started to hate him. Then he took that crap national and it was all downhill from there.
But as far as economics, taxes, unions, etc. go, he was pretty solid.
The guns and slurpees thing is going to get hung around his neck. He might siphon off a few Dem voters if he goes all the way to election day, but he won't get a single conservative vote due to his anti-gun fanaticism alone.
Cruz's "New York values" needle was tailor-made for an asshole like Bloomberg.
He'd run as an independent third-party candidate. Which means he'll of course have no chance to actually win, but might suck some votes from Hillary if she ends up being the Democrat nominee.
Ah, but the point is that this could in fact be the election that a third party is able to make a serious run at the Oval Office, and maybe it would have been a good one for Ron Paul to have considered it. But no, instead he opted to be shunted to the side by the GOP with his 2% popularity...and dropping. So that "50" that Bloomberg would get to vote for him will compete quite nicely with Paul.
Rand Paul will never be president. He's not a likable guy. He comes off as that overachieving know-it-all that everyone hates in high school.That plus his father -- who is at best an anti-semite -- and you have a guy who will never win a general election.
Rand has no media presence at all. People like some of the policies he promotes--and I'll write in his name as long as Hillary's not the Dem nominee--but his lack of charisma and uncertainty on how to manipulate the national media is crippling.
Got to agree. He has a complete lack of savvy in running a national campaign...half the time he acts as if he's indifferent to running for President, the other half he's talking like he's got ten times the support that even the most charitable polls indicate.
I think he's a good Senator, but until he gets some time in a governorship or accomplishes more in the Senate than a few talking points and filibusters, he's not close to presidential material...even against a pathetically weak field of opponents.
He would be perfect for splitting some of the anti-gun vote off the Dems in swing states. And, if he was wasting money on his own campaign, he wouldn't be spending nearly as much on anti-gunners in other races. Both big wins for Republicans.
And his campaign will be built around banning guns and sugary drinks. Yeah, finally a 3rd party candidate who will get less votes than the libertarian candidate! Thanks for making us more legit, Bloomturd!
I mean, I'm in NYC right now and there really should not be any cars on the road. Unless they drive a humvee or something. It's real bad... worst I've ever seen, and I grew up here.
In the past few years, though, they've started doing travel bans on highways and roads not in dense urban areas (specifically in Massachusetts). That troubles me a bit.
Speaking of banning guns. I was in Fresh Market a couple of days ago and while I was standing in the checkout line, I was looking at this magazine on the impulse buy stand and I read the title 'Garden and Gun'. I had to keep staring at it to make sure I was reading it right. I'm thinking 'Is that really a thing'? I could read that! What made it so surreal was that this is at a store in the middle of an upscale yuppie community where less than .00000000001% of the population even know anyone who has ever voted for a Republican or who have ever even SEEN a gun.
'Garden and Gun' is 'Field and Stream' for the extremely well-heeled. You'll often find it in doctors' offices.
Lots of stories about exotic hunts with expensive gear. No stories against gun control, these are the kind of people who can get to hunt and own guns in just about every country in the world.
If the Presidency could simply be bought by some rich person throwing lots of his or her own money at the campaign, we would have had a President Ross Perot.
We didn't.
The Presidency has to be bought by throwing lots of other people's money (i.e the taxpayers) at targeted constituency groups to bribe them with handouts for the vote.
Two NY billionaires running for president. What does that say about the current political situation? Especially when we consider that there's an avowed socialist running, too--and polling well.
It's already been said many times that voters are revolting against the party establishments. But why are they revolting? Is it because of the two knuckleheads that they gave us the past sixteen years? Or, is it more general, as in voters are revolting because don't like anything the two major parties are doing?
Considering the republican lineup, if Bloomberg is in anyway successful as a third party candidate, I'll go with the latter. There could be a major shakeup coming for at least one of the parties.
I think the GOP may be about to self-destruct. I always thought that the Top Men their would blow it up but it actually looks like the grassroots is going to install a candidate that will not only lose but tear apart the GOP base and make that brand unsalable for eons.
Let's make sure we're keeping things in perspective.
Even if Trump is leading in the polls among Republicans, he still has the lowest net positive of any Republican candidate--among Republicans.
When you take the percentage of Republicans that approve of Trump and subtract the percentage of Republicans that disapprove of Trump, Trump ends up with +30% in this Gallup poll:
Cruz, on the other hand, has a net approval rating of +65%.
Again, it isn't just the percentage of Republicans that approve of Trump that will decide who wins the nomination. It's also all those Republicans who disapprove of Trump. And in that latter calculation, Cruz is trouncing Trump.
Sometimes we get the idea that the headlines are a barometer of support. They aren't.
Trump may be getting all the coverage, but Osama bin Laden used to get a lot of coverage, too. That didn't mean he was popular among Republicans.
I'd bet that there are only three candidates left by Super Tuesday, and that anti-Trump vote consolidates behind someone other than Trump.
If 45% say they prefer Trump, that means 55% want someone else. And likely GOP voters may skew the results some, too. Trump's support among Republican leaning independents is low, and they may show up just to vote against Trump.
But Trump is a lot of Republicans' 2nd choice?something that a few mos. ago people here were telling me wouldn't be the case, but which I heard of a recent poll on that said so.
That's particularly the case with Cruz voters. So this idea that 55% of the GOP is going to line up against Trump is pure fantasy in my opinion. Especially if Hillary ends up being the opponent in the general--a lot of people are going to hold their nose and vote for Trump if for no other reason than the possibility that he might actually indict the felonious bitch.
"Especially if Hillary ends up being the opponent in the general--a lot of people are going to hold their nose and vote for Trump if for no other reason than the possibility that he might actually indict the felonious bitch."
And far more people are going to hold their nose for Hillary. Not sure if you noticed how things have changed in the past 4 or so decades, but racism and ragging on minorities are not big winners.
I know one of the narratives is that the establishment ignored the base for so many years that the base revolted. I think it's more than that. I think the establishment fed the derpiest instincts of the base and then, to satisfy them pursued a few symbolic measures and never delivered. They were basically Jacobins trying to manage san culottes, never realizing that if not satisfied the rabble would want heads on pikes. The Dems can laugh about this, but they are only an election cycle or two behind their own complete meltdown. I don't think America is headed for Freikorps vs. Commie militias or anything like that, but I think both party coalitions are falling apart.
His advisers and associates said he was galled by Donald J. Trump's dominance of the Republican field, and troubled by Hillary Clinton's stumbles and the rise of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont on the Democratic side.
"Galled by Trump's dominance" and "troubled by Hillary's stumbles" I think are not quite the words to use there. I think more like "inspired" by both - hey, HRH is looking a little crispy around the edges there so here's the perfect chance for "At least he's not Hillary", and if they love a clown doing a Mussolini impression, wait'll they get a load of me!
For proggie neocons like yourself, yes he would be an excellent choice. It's official, Cyto would vote for the guy who won Reason's enemies of freedom list.
Please try not to use words you obviously don't understand. Or talk about things you don't understand.
Lol. Haughty and ignorant is not a great combo. The neoconservative movement is predicated upon the social welfare institutions of the progressive era and New Deal combined with a more expansionist foreign policy after the New Left embraced the peace movement in the 60's, you abject fucking retard.
Things I don't support and have nothing to do with, hence why Hyperion clearly understand the words he uses. Think before calling others retards, retard.
You are the archetype of neoconservative foreign policy, and your lip service to domestic libertarianism rings just a wee bit hollow when you voted for Trudeau and think Bloomberg would be the best candidate for US president.
Spoken like someone who has no idea what 'neoconservative foreign policy' even is, which is most people around here.
Neoconservatism is predicated on the idea that American foreign policy should be altruistic and engaged in bringing freedom/democracy to folks around the world and that America should police it for the benefit of all. All things I am against.
Neoconservatism is predicated on the idea that American foreign policy should be altruistic and engaged in bringing freedom/democracy to folks around the world and that America should police it for the benefit of all.
I'm an Objectivist. Please read the linked column, if you have the literacy skill required.
I favor a foreign policy that protects the individual rights and freedoms of Americans, not bringing dumbocracy and goodies and free protection all round the world. I am getting tired of having to spell this out to you. I don't have to prove my innocence to you or any other fucking stupid peon around here.
Ah, you favor foreign policy that protects American's rights, but just said you'd vote for someone who thinks that we shouldn't have guns and can't effectively choose what we would like to drink.
Wow, this Presidential cycle is really going for the 'Reign of the Old Fucks'. Trump's 69, Clinton's 68, Sanders' 74, and now 73 year old Bloomberg is getting in on the action.
The other good thing is that they would all have a good shot at being one term presidents, even if they manage not to die. We need more one term presidents. Why do people keep reelecting these assholes?
"Police warn they will tow any civilian vehicles and even arrest people who break the travel ban.
The mayor says it's imperative for people to stay off the streets so workers can keep the roads clear.
"If you're on the roads and you're not in an official capacity, or doing something related to life-saving, or health," the mayor said. "If you're a civilian out driving you are subject to arrest. It's as simple as that,"
Harsyani writes a pretty good article about Trumptards.
Trump's supporters?perhaps the most sensitive constituency to ever appear in American politics.
Trumpism is an ideology that judges all things on how they interact with Donald Trump. As a result, it is completely disconnected from any cogent philosophy or moral worldview.
Bloomberg's obviously waiting to see who the likely Democrat nominee'll be. If it's either Hillary or Sanders, then he'd jump in as independent. But mostly he's waiting to see if they're both so toxic in a couple weeks that the Dems would, while casting about for someone else, turn to him. It could happen. (He knows he can't do it as a Republican in this field.)
Bernie he can't stand because Bloomberg's almost stereotypically a plutocrat. Hillary would be an acceptable president for him, but he's afraid that by the time she gets the nomination, she'll be unelectable. Trump he can't stand because Trump's uncouth & unworthy to represent super-rich NYers.
Bloomberg has no ideology, which means he'd be the perfect fascist if he wanted to be. What Bloomberg wants is his own personal suggestion box, which he puts ideas into at random intervals, to become policy. Like Trump, he probably has very little thought out in advance, he just knows that once in office he'll come up w things people will thank him for because he's so smart & knowledgeable. He's not a totalitarian, doesn't want gov't control of everything, in fact he's probably for freeing up many things more than they are now, but he wants to power to impose whatever particular things occur to him.
But Bloomberg sheperded New York through the aftermath of 9/11!!!!!! If it weren't for him the whole state, even the country itself, would have been irreparably harmed. He ensured his flock made it through safely.
Just like Giuliani showing up in his SUV during that time, walking in front of news camera's. He was so proud of himself, that he kept muttering 9/11 with every breath.
Without him walking around down there, nothing would have gotten accomplished, and Bloomy, without him, the area would have taken over 10 years to rebuild..........
Just wait until Christie gets elected to something. He was appointed after 9/11, but gets to lie and say it was before because he hugged all those families. His huggery also makes the excuse for the surveilance state, and the firther destruction of liberty, oh and protracted conflict too!
3 reasons the liberal faith is not recently proselytized by blue-collar Dems:
1. Snowden.
2. 0b0z0 -care/-EOs/etc., etc.
3. Death of belief in sub-lie, that Dems don't want to take guns away.
--- Describe Bloomberg's gun control role to your Demn friends.
"He will endorse the pettiest restrictions on human behavior as long as he can convince himself enough rubes that they're for everyone's own good"
He is a totalitarian who wants to control our lives. He yearns to control us - the rationalizations for that control are merely the means to achieve that control.
Bloomberg won't touch the Dem nominee in the bluest of states. And both Clinton and Sanders (the third guy is out of the game) are ardently anti-gun. So what does he bring to the table? He's actually pro-Israel, which is major minus for the leftist crowd.
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Time for Rand Paul to launch his independent run. He could win as the only liberty/limited government candidate if he is running against Trump, Clinton/Sanders, Bloomberg.
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Good. Marketing folks can eat his money left and right while he gets ignored by nearly everyone.
Exactly. Anything that eats up his funds is welcome.
Stealing a few votes from the Donkey will be a nice bonus too. As much as I hate 'both' parties, the Donkeys stink more this year.
Not if Trump gets the nom.
Right... and Trump's going to lose Iowa to Cruz. I mean I wish that were true, even though Cruz lost my vote in the general, I'd still be good with him winning the nomination. You proggies however are ruled by feelinz and not logic and reason.
"You proggies however are ruled by feelinz and not logic and reason."
PROJECTION LEVELS CRITICAL
Again, stop using words you don;t understand
It's went full on Tulpa. Didn't I warn you to NEVER go full on Tulpa?
Throwing 'Tulpa' on top of the other words and terms you don't understand isn't going to save. Just STFU and stop digging. This is a place for adults, hence you're not needed here.
Ah, the only proggies are adults trope, nice.
"You proggies however are ruled by feelinz and not logic and reason."
Proggies are ruled by their lust for domination.
Can you please send some proggies over my way, with their whips and chains?
I need someone to HURT me, real badly!
Yeah both the Dems are worse than Trump.
Should Trump manage to get into the WH he'll accomplish absolutely nothing because there's no one in the establishment who'd be willing to support him.
Sanders is insane and evil, sure, but there are a *tooooon* of people on the left side of the aisle who think exactly as he does and even more that share some of his ideas.
And HRC is the Democratic establishment candidate - anything she said while in office would be parroted right back by the party faithful.
The GOP establishment thinks they work with Trump but they think Cruz is incorrigible
I know a lot of the GOP,candidates stink on ice, but when have the democrats NOT run someone who wasn't more horrific than their GOP alternative.
John Kennedy? (maybe, not certainly)
The man who embodies the managerial impulse
When did calling a fascist a fascist fall out of vogue?
Bloomberg's a squishy independent, only Republicans are fascists, good little progressives could never be fascist heavens no!
Remember their camps for those who don't understand acceptable party thought will be fun camps, not gulags.
Hillary Clinton is quite explicit about this when she said, "we really need camps for adults".
Of course, they're going to be fun camps run by right-thinking progressives. Kind of like America's institutions of higher learning have already offered fun freshman orientation and ongoing indoctrination in political correctness.
Filed under Yes, She Actually Said This.
Because Hillary is synonymous with fun, people. Let's hope she doesn't keep getting older and make decisions about what fun stuff the rest of us need.
Isn't it about time for Hillary to go to the home?
And:
Bloomberg is "...troubled by Hillary Clinton's stumbles...".
Not the fact that she's a flat-out criminal? That doesn't bother him?
That would require being convicted of something, and it's not like she'll even be indicted, so...
No, being a criminal just requires that someone commit a crime.
Whether we continue to follow the rule of law or not is where the conviction bit kicks in.
"Whether we continue to follow the rule of law or not"
Continue?
By Cankle's own admissions she is guilty of various federal crimes regarding her illegal server and criminal misconduct with classified material.
No. Why would it bother someone like him?
I think his reasons are obvious: he just wants armed security with a law enforcement exemption.
I doubt there's more than 50 people in the world who'd actually want him to be president.
I get that this is sarc/hyperbole but I suspect that some of the millions of people who voted for him to be mayor would vote for him.
Sure, if he were running against Vladimir Lenin the way New York Republicans generally do.
NY Dems make Sanders look like Calvin Coolidge.
He'd still get a lot of votes from the city I think. Even if they all came from Dems, however, I doubt it would put the state in play.
In the city, my progressive friends HATED stop and frisk, but LOVED the soda ban. They see no connection between the two.
The progressives I talked to LIKED stop & frisk, just wanted something done about it so it was racially proportionate.
If Calvin Coolidge were alive today he would be about the same age as Sanders.
Another reason I laugh when New Yorker's talk about their town like it's somehow special, with tougher people. It's a garbage city, full of traitors.
So he'd be a landslide winner in NY and NJ. And lose every other state.
Imagine if an Independent won NY, which would mean a Democrat didn't... wow, that changes things.
Ralph Nader did not carry any State in 2000, but he still managed to tip Florida into Bush's column.
"I get that this is sarc/hyperbole but I suspect that some of the millions of people who voted for him to be mayor would vote for him."
Not millions. Only about a million people vote for mayor, so I doubt he ever got more than about 600k votes.
OK, he got 750k votes in 2005, and 585k votes in 2009.
The Rent is too Damn High guy got 2300 votes, while the Libertarian candidate got 1600
This reinforces my contention that New Yorkers are garbage people for the most part.
It's time to face it Reason. It's not the libertarian moment, we are at the moment where Liberty dies.
The top two candidates for one party, and the top candidate for the other are authoritarian thugs who will trample Liberty. Now this shithead Bloomberg wants in because he's so sure he'll be a better dictator than the other yahoos.
The boot is poised over the face it will soon be stomping on forever. Sure you may be able to smoke pot to dull the pain, but voicing your political views will land you in a camp.
To quote Hudson: "we're fucked! Game over man!"
The fastest way to liberty may be to take the current sustem down.
What emerges from the ashes is a crapshoot, but at leadt its a chance.
So you're with the other quote from Hudson: "You want some of this? Fuck you! Get some!"
But that's what Trump's supporters think.
Some of Sanders's too, but mostly they just don't want Hillary as the Dem nominee.
If claiming this is a 'Libertarian Moment' is a stretch, claiming this is where 'liberty dies' is tearingly far-fetched. American has been through the draft, Jim Crow, and Japanese internment camps. Contrary to the less serious commenters, the USG was much more obnoxious and destructive in the 1940s. Further, the world is slowly getting freer. 'Slowly' being 'rapidly' in historical terms.
Says the guy who has how many years of living in the USA? And who couldn't even point out a state on a map.
And yet I am still a more capable commenter on the subject than you. Or pretty much any subject.
Dunning-Kruger effect
Not applicable to me.
The fact that people are just piling on random terms and words in response to even my most benign posts seems to indicate that I have touched a nerve. #winning
*whoosh*
Dunphy?
Sheisser pants?
Yeah, but I'd prefer that we not redo the Civil War.
The world getting freezer is happening slower and slower as time moves on.
We appear to be entering another era of "Strong Man" leadership coming into favor. That didn't all that well when it happened in the last century.
Trump isn't anywhere near as bad as people (or himself) make him out to be. He's a media caricature and far more benign than Hillary or Bernie, who would go into office with an absolute sense of diabolical purpose.
Trump would be a caretaker executive who makes speeches and leaves the actual business of government to others. I'd wager that we'd see far more power returned to Congress and the states under Trump, if only out of necessity.
I think that Trump would be a lot like Bill Clinton, in a less silly Billy Bob sort of way. Or maybe I should say he'd be more of a populist. No one really knows what the guy will do, which is sort of scary, but he wouldn't be the Hitler that most people here make him out to be. I just don't see him going rogue like Obama and deciding what he will do despite what the majority thinks. Just the opposite.
I hope you're right. It is true that he's much more an experienced executive than an ideologue. In that sense he could be the executive we need--someone who will manage the executive branch and let the legislature make laws and the judiciary interpret the constitution. But he could be a foreign policy nightmare like Obama. Still, I suspect he would bring in a much better cabinet and support team than Obama.
Trump seems sort of reasonable on foreign policy at times and at other times, he seems batshit insane. What that means to me and I've always believed this, is that you can't pay any attention to what the guy says. He's a gamer, and the game is becoming president. Right now, that's his focus, and if he has to say crazy shit to make it happen, he's going to. It's working so why should he stop?
But if the guy actually finds himself in the WH, you'll see a different Donald. What that is, I don't know. The idea of him being there doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but I'm not shitting myself over it either.
"But if the guy actually finds himself in the WH, you'll see a different Donald. "
Your clairvoyance and mind-reading skills match Johns.
Why the personal attack? It seems like a reasonable statement to me.
It's not, and Hyperion's been up to nothing except personal attacks.
He and you are projecting hope as fact. I am going with what Trump SAYS he's going to do: enforce immigration laws that will require a police state, impose Smoot-Hawley 2.0, 'do something' about too much freedom of speech on the internet, etc.
He's a fascist, and anyone claiming he'll behave otherwise once in power has 1) learned nothing from history and 2) is engaged in flights of fancy far more than those claiming a 'libertarian moment'.
He's not going to impose a police state, or something that by current stds. would be considered so. He'd do things he thinks would be good in terms of immigr'n enforcement?they won't?but they won't be draconian, he'll just take credit for successes & downplay failures.
He's not a free trader on principle, but he's not going to push for anything like Smoot-Hawley, which would have to originate in Congress. He'll use executive authority within the narrow parameters available to have certain trade practices deemed violations of existing agreements, then take credit for getting other countries to lower trade barriers.
What do you think he'll "do" about freedom of the Internet? He'll just make noise about being criticized there. The his counter-criticism'll appear on the Internet too, & he'll be satisfied.
Of course he's engaged in flights of fancy. Who's in politics who isn't?
He's not a fascist, he's a loudmouth. Big difference.
I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm not worried that he's on the verge of ushering in a police state. At least not to the degree I would be under a progressive, some of whom are literally calling for reeducation camps already.
And his comments about the internet have been completely taken out of context (admittedly, because he didn't do a good job of explaining it himself, but still). He asked why we can't shut down a portion of the internet -- meaning in ISIS controlled territory. Since they're using the internet so effectively for propaganda and recruiting and communication, and since the West controls most of the internet's hardware, why not shut them down? Why are we providing ISIS with communication infrastructure?
It may not be feasible, and there may be good arguments against it, but it's not a statement that should be dismissed outright, and it certainly shouldn't be seen as some attack on the constitution.
Most candidates change once they reach the white house. This has always been the trend.
What's fun to contemplate is if a solid radical libertarian got there, then realized maybe extremism in defense of liberty is a vice after all.
But if the guy actually finds himself in the WH, you'll see a different Donald. What that is, I don't know. The idea of him being there doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but I'm not shitting myself over it either.
This. The people who believe what he says and freak out about it are as dumb as the ones who believe and approve. His unpredictability is cause for concern, but he wouldn't necessarily be as bad as, say, Hillary...who is genuinely evil.
I too am bemused by how so many observers "left", "right", center, & libertarian are making out Trump as so horrible. He's not my 1st or 2nd choice, maybe not even 3rd, but he's not out-&-out awful. Sure you can pick out things he's said that sound awful, but also things that sounded awfully good.
"It's time to face it Reason. It's not the libertarian moment, we are at the moment where Liberty dies."
What is dying is the dream of Libertarianism, as embodied in Declaration of Independence's call that "to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men". It had a pretty good run, but it is dead. I'd prefer it that way, you'd prefer it that way, but it simply no longer has enough cultural support.
The culture that supported it will no longer do so after decades of criminal violation of that ideal by Progressives. One sided rule of law is over. The Progressives have been using government power to reward their friends and punish their enemies, while conservatives and libertarians have tried to conserve the rule of law.
It's time for those who believe in the rule of Law and a general presumption of Freedom to realize they can't have it with Progressives.
You can't have peace unless the other side wants it too. One sided peace is surrender. One sided rule of law is submission.
As The Trump would say, conservatives and libertarians have been led by losers. One sided rule of law is a chump's game. Conservatives and Libertarians have refused to *fight back in kind* against Progressive abuses of power. No more.
The dream that was the American Revolution is over. But there is plenty still worth fighting for. That's what we need to admit.
Peace may be impossible. But Victory may not.
It's time to get on with *fighting back*.
I hate harping on this - oh, who am I kidding, I *love* harping on it - but Bloomberg is the kind of person many media people and voters mean when they talk about "fiscally conservative and socially liberal."
On the economic side, it means he doesn't want to waste as much money as does the New York City Democratic Party. But then, you could say the same of a party of whisky-sodden sailors in a New Orleans brothel.
In other words, he's a big taxer and spender economically, compared to the rest of the country.
On the social side, it means he threatens penalties against anyone who makes non-PC choices about soft drinks, gay cakes, etc.
Honestly, if it weren't for his insane and high profile guns-and-slurpees crusade, he'd be a very popular guy in this country. As a lifelong resident of NYC, I really have to say that he ran the city quite well. It was only when we went off the rails in his last couple of years in office with the soda ban and other social engineering nonsense that people really started to hate him. Then he took that crap national and it was all downhill from there.
But as far as economics, taxes, unions, etc. go, he was pretty solid.
The guns and slurpees thing is going to get hung around his neck. He might siphon off a few Dem voters if he goes all the way to election day, but he won't get a single conservative vote due to his anti-gun fanaticism alone.
Cruz's "New York values" needle was tailor-made for an asshole like Bloomberg.
An official announcement to be followed by a massive run on guns and Big Gulps.
I wonder which party? Cause ya know, a NY R is an AZ D.
Whichever improves his chances.
Says a lot about the choices, you know.
He'd run as an independent third-party candidate. Which means he'll of course have no chance to actually win, but might suck some votes from Hillary if she ends up being the Democrat nominee.
I live in Flagstaff, and an AZ D is a Santa Ana R.
I grew up in Montana, and Tester MT-D still votes with Schumer NY-D every time when it counts.
Ah, but the point is that this could in fact be the election that a third party is able to make a serious run at the Oval Office, and maybe it would have been a good one for Ron Paul to have considered it. But no, instead he opted to be shunted to the side by the GOP with his 2% popularity...and dropping. So that "50" that Bloomberg would get to vote for him will compete quite nicely with Paul.
*Rand
It has always seemed fantasy on the Pauls' part to pull the GOP into libertarianism. I ... I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you.
Oh, goodie! Lefty drivel from Jack!
He will likely gravitate towards the most evil candidate(Hillary).
Rand Paul will never be president. He's not a likable guy. He comes off as that overachieving know-it-all that everyone hates in high school.That plus his father -- who is at best an anti-semite -- and you have a guy who will never win a general election.
Forget that he got elected to the US senate?
Being elected senator from Kentucky is not the same thing as being elected president. Not by a long shot.
Rand has no media presence at all. People like some of the policies he promotes--and I'll write in his name as long as Hillary's not the Dem nominee--but his lack of charisma and uncertainty on how to manipulate the national media is crippling.
Got to agree. He has a complete lack of savvy in running a national campaign...half the time he acts as if he's indifferent to running for President, the other half he's talking like he's got ten times the support that even the most charitable polls indicate.
I think he's a good Senator, but until he gets some time in a governorship or accomplishes more in the Senate than a few talking points and filibusters, he's not close to presidential material...even against a pathetically weak field of opponents.
He would be perfect for splitting some of the anti-gun vote off the Dems in swing states. And, if he was wasting money on his own campaign, he wouldn't be spending nearly as much on anti-gunners in other races. Both big wins for Republicans.
Plus, if he's off campaigning it keeps him the hell out of New York and I'm sure there's lots of support in New York for that proposition.
He doesn't hold any office in NY so it's a toss.
Now if Moobs was running, I could certainly get behind that.
And his campaign will be built around banning guns and sugary drinks. Yeah, finally a 3rd party candidate who will get less votes than the libertarian candidate! Thanks for making us more legit, Bloomturd!
Natural Law party already has that covered.
Cuomo just said, "Ban on road travel". "NYC roads will close at 2:30 pm". WTF does this even mean?
Doomberg has a chubby at the thought of this.
It means that Cuomo is an authoritarian fuckstick. News at 11.
NO ROADZ!! NEW YORK SOMALIA!11!
I mean, I'm in NYC right now and there really should not be any cars on the road. Unless they drive a humvee or something. It's real bad... worst I've ever seen, and I grew up here.
Pretty sure I've heard of this happening everywhere in the country at some point or another but when it's NYC it MUST be because fascism.
In a city I could see it being necessary.
In the past few years, though, they've started doing travel bans on highways and roads not in dense urban areas (specifically in Massachusetts). That troubles me a bit.
Speaking of banning guns. I was in Fresh Market a couple of days ago and while I was standing in the checkout line, I was looking at this magazine on the impulse buy stand and I read the title 'Garden and Gun'. I had to keep staring at it to make sure I was reading it right. I'm thinking 'Is that really a thing'? I could read that! What made it so surreal was that this is at a store in the middle of an upscale yuppie community where less than .00000000001% of the population even know anyone who has ever voted for a Republican or who have ever even SEEN a gun.
My two favorite mags are Waterfowl World and Gun Dog.
My two favorite mags are the one in my dad's old Colt Woodsman and the one in the old 1911 he owned. One's for plinking and one's for plunking.
heh, I saw that same magazine at a Whole Foods in New Orleans last Thanksgiving and had the same reaction
'Garden and Gun' is 'Field and Stream' for the extremely well-heeled. You'll often find it in doctors' offices.
Lots of stories about exotic hunts with expensive gear. No stories against gun control, these are the kind of people who can get to hunt and own guns in just about every country in the world.
In spite of the tone of my comment above, I actually enjoy reading 'Garden and Gun' while I'm waiting for the doctor to see me.
You killed Cecil's brother didn't you? Just admit it, you awful person.
Bloomberg?!?! That'll show that evil 1%!!!
OT: SugarFree has apparently found his audience.
Dammit. Now I can't even stomach the thought of pancakes.
Run dude, I applaude every vote taken sway from Hillary
If the Presidency could simply be bought by some rich person throwing lots of his or her own money at the campaign, we would have had a President Ross Perot.
We didn't.
The Presidency has to be bought by throwing lots of other people's money (i.e the taxpayers) at targeted constituency groups to bribe them with handouts for the vote.
If you could just pay people outright for their votes, though, a billion dollars might get you somewhere.
America's richest and therefore most trustworthy citizen, Michael Bloomberg.
Bloomberg ? has indicated to friends and allies that he would be willing to spend at least $1 billion of his fortune on it
Oh, come on, you selfish bastard -- pay your fair share!
Split that progressive vote?
Hell yeah!
Two NY billionaires running for president. What does that say about the current political situation? Especially when we consider that there's an avowed socialist running, too--and polling well.
It's already been said many times that voters are revolting against the party establishments. But why are they revolting? Is it because of the two knuckleheads that they gave us the past sixteen years? Or, is it more general, as in voters are revolting because don't like anything the two major parties are doing?
Considering the republican lineup, if Bloomberg is in anyway successful as a third party candidate, I'll go with the latter. There could be a major shakeup coming for at least one of the parties.
I think the GOP may be about to self-destruct. I always thought that the Top Men their would blow it up but it actually looks like the grassroots is going to install a candidate that will not only lose but tear apart the GOP base and make that brand unsalable for eons.
Let's make sure we're keeping things in perspective.
Even if Trump is leading in the polls among Republicans, he still has the lowest net positive of any Republican candidate--among Republicans.
When you take the percentage of Republicans that approve of Trump and subtract the percentage of Republicans that disapprove of Trump, Trump ends up with +30% in this Gallup poll:
http://www.gallup.com/opinion/.....aign=tiles
Cruz, on the other hand, has a net approval rating of +65%.
Again, it isn't just the percentage of Republicans that approve of Trump that will decide who wins the nomination. It's also all those Republicans who disapprove of Trump. And in that latter calculation, Cruz is trouncing Trump.
Sometimes we get the idea that the headlines are a barometer of support. They aren't.
Trump may be getting all the coverage, but Osama bin Laden used to get a lot of coverage, too. That didn't mean he was popular among Republicans.
"Even if Trump is leading in the polls among Republicans, he still has the lowest net positive of any Republican candidate--among Republicans."
I neglected to correct that.
He still has the highest negatives, but there are other Republicans with lower net positives.
Well Ken I hope to God you're right, and I'm an atheist! Right now Zogby has Trump at 45% and Cruz at 13%.
Show me the link.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jo.....3986b87b32
I'd bet that there are only three candidates left by Super Tuesday, and that anti-Trump vote consolidates behind someone other than Trump.
If 45% say they prefer Trump, that means 55% want someone else. And likely GOP voters may skew the results some, too. Trump's support among Republican leaning independents is low, and they may show up just to vote against Trump.
That's my story, and I'm stickin' with it.
But Trump is a lot of Republicans' 2nd choice?something that a few mos. ago people here were telling me wouldn't be the case, but which I heard of a recent poll on that said so.
But Trump is a lot of Republicans' 2nd choice
That's particularly the case with Cruz voters. So this idea that 55% of the GOP is going to line up against Trump is pure fantasy in my opinion. Especially if Hillary ends up being the opponent in the general--a lot of people are going to hold their nose and vote for Trump if for no other reason than the possibility that he might actually indict the felonious bitch.
"Especially if Hillary ends up being the opponent in the general--a lot of people are going to hold their nose and vote for Trump if for no other reason than the possibility that he might actually indict the felonious bitch."
And far more people are going to hold their nose for Hillary. Not sure if you noticed how things have changed in the past 4 or so decades, but racism and ragging on minorities are not big winners.
Not sure if you noticed how things have changed in the past 4 or so decades, but racism and ragging on minorities are not big winners.
Said the guy who's never lived in a "diverse" community in his life.
I want to agree with you Ken but the GOP may just be too retarded to work the way you and I want it to.
I know one of the narratives is that the establishment ignored the base for so many years that the base revolted. I think it's more than that. I think the establishment fed the derpiest instincts of the base and then, to satisfy them pursued a few symbolic measures and never delivered. They were basically Jacobins trying to manage san culottes, never realizing that if not satisfied the rabble would want heads on pikes. The Dems can laugh about this, but they are only an election cycle or two behind their own complete meltdown. I don't think America is headed for Freikorps vs. Commie militias or anything like that, but I think both party coalitions are falling apart.
Good points.
His advisers and associates said he was galled by Donald J. Trump's dominance of the Republican field, and troubled by Hillary Clinton's stumbles and the rise of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont on the Democratic side.
"Galled by Trump's dominance" and "troubled by Hillary's stumbles" I think are not quite the words to use there. I think more like "inspired" by both - hey, HRH is looking a little crispy around the edges there so here's the perfect chance for "At least he's not Hillary", and if they love a clown doing a Mussolini impression, wait'll they get a load of me!
Honestly, he'd be a better choice than the lead candidates of the two parties and some of the not-leading candidates.
For proggie neocons like yourself, yes he would be an excellent choice. It's official, Cyto would vote for the guy who won Reason's enemies of freedom list.
STFU the adults are talking.
The true mark of adulthood is embracing a politician who tells you how much soda you are allowed.
There's 'embracing' and then there's 'least worst option'.
Gary Johnson, you fuckwit.
You shouldn't call Gary Johnson a fuckwit, even if he is.
Nothing says "libertarian" like someone who wants to restrict your right to defend yourself.
"proggie neocons"
Please try not to use words you obviously don't understand. Or talk about things you don't understand. Granted that's almost everything.
Too late, the mask is off. Toddler like tantrums won't save you.
"The mask is off" -again, please don't use phrases that you don't understand.
Please try not to use words you obviously don't understand. Or talk about things you don't understand.
Lol. Haughty and ignorant is not a great combo. The neoconservative movement is predicated upon the social welfare institutions of the progressive era and New Deal combined with a more expansionist foreign policy after the New Left embraced the peace movement in the 60's, you abject fucking retard.
Things I don't support and have nothing to do with, hence why Hyperion clearly understand the words he uses. Think before calling others retards, retard.
You are the archetype of neoconservative foreign policy, and your lip service to domestic libertarianism rings just a wee bit hollow when you voted for Trudeau and think Bloomberg would be the best candidate for US president.
Spoken like someone who has no idea what 'neoconservative foreign policy' even is, which is most people around here.
Neoconservatism is predicated on the idea that American foreign policy should be altruistic and engaged in bringing freedom/democracy to folks around the world and that America should police it for the benefit of all. All things I am against.
Educate yourself
Neoconservatism is predicated on the idea that American foreign policy should be altruistic and engaged in bringing freedom/democracy to folks around the world and that America should police it for the benefit of all.
Yep.
All things I am against.
[citation required]
I'm an Objectivist. Please read the linked column, if you have the literacy skill required.
I favor a foreign policy that protects the individual rights and freedoms of Americans, not bringing dumbocracy and goodies and free protection all round the world. I am getting tired of having to spell this out to you. I don't have to prove my innocence to you or any other fucking stupid peon around here.
If you're an Objectivist, that would explain why you're such an overweening asshole.
Ah, you favor foreign policy that protects American's rights, but just said you'd vote for someone who thinks that we shouldn't have guns and can't effectively choose what we would like to drink.
Thats not a coherent set of beliefs.
Ah, so exactly the opposite of what we've actually been doing then?
Truly, we live in an Age of Wonder.
I wonder what his positive/negative numbers are. I bet they're better than Hillary's and without a doubt better than Trump's.
Wow, this Presidential cycle is really going for the 'Reign of the Old Fucks'. Trump's 69, Clinton's 68, Sanders' 74, and now 73 year old Bloomberg is getting in on the action.
In fact, it's probably the oldest collective group of candidates in American history. Curse you, improved life expectancy!
If these remain the frontrunners, maybe the race will be decided on the qualifications of their vice presidential choices.
Maybe that's not such a bad thing because they'll die soon.
Last gasp of the Boomer politicians. Gen-Xers get their turn to fuck things up for the next 20-30 years after this.
The other good thing is that they would all have a good shot at being one term presidents, even if they manage not to die. We need more one term presidents. Why do people keep reelecting these assholes?
NYC full travel ban .
"Police warn they will tow any civilian vehicles and even arrest people who break the travel ban.
The mayor says it's imperative for people to stay off the streets so workers can keep the roads clear.
"If you're on the roads and you're not in an official capacity, or doing something related to life-saving, or health," the mayor said. "If you're a civilian out driving you are subject to arrest. It's as simple as that,"
imperative for people to stay off the streets so workers can keep the roads clear
Then why do they need to keep the roads clear if people are to keep off of them? So that workers can clear the roads so they can clear the roads?
Mayor DeFucckles should be loaded head first into a snow blower, Carl Showalter style.
I presume you've never seen Nightfall before?
So emergency services can get through?
Good news. If the vote is split between Trump, Clinton, and Bloomberg, that means the LP candidate has a ch--- bwhaha, sorry.
Harsyani writes a pretty good article about Trumptards.
Trump's supporters?perhaps the most sensitive constituency to ever appear in American politics.
Trumpism is an ideology that judges all things on how they interact with Donald Trump. As a result, it is completely disconnected from any cogent philosophy or moral worldview.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/.....qus_thread
Another comments section of Cyto-domination. Great, but I have other things to do.
Another comments section of Cyto-domination.retardation
Bloomberg's obviously waiting to see who the likely Democrat nominee'll be. If it's either Hillary or Sanders, then he'd jump in as independent. But mostly he's waiting to see if they're both so toxic in a couple weeks that the Dems would, while casting about for someone else, turn to him. It could happen. (He knows he can't do it as a Republican in this field.)
Bernie he can't stand because Bloomberg's almost stereotypically a plutocrat. Hillary would be an acceptable president for him, but he's afraid that by the time she gets the nomination, she'll be unelectable. Trump he can't stand because Trump's uncouth & unworthy to represent super-rich NYers.
Bloomberg has no ideology, which means he'd be the perfect fascist if he wanted to be. What Bloomberg wants is his own personal suggestion box, which he puts ideas into at random intervals, to become policy. Like Trump, he probably has very little thought out in advance, he just knows that once in office he'll come up w things people will thank him for because he's so smart & knowledgeable. He's not a totalitarian, doesn't want gov't control of everything, in fact he's probably for freeing up many things more than they are now, but he wants to power to impose whatever particular things occur to him.
But Bloomberg sheperded New York through the aftermath of 9/11!!!!!! If it weren't for him the whole state, even the country itself, would have been irreparably harmed. He ensured his flock made it through safely.
So he could fleece them himself.
Just like Giuliani showing up in his SUV during that time, walking in front of news camera's. He was so proud of himself, that he kept muttering 9/11 with every breath.
Without him walking around down there, nothing would have gotten accomplished, and Bloomy, without him, the area would have taken over 10 years to rebuild..........
Just wait until Christie gets elected to something. He was appointed after 9/11, but gets to lie and say it was before because he hugged all those families. His huggery also makes the excuse for the surveilance state, and the firther destruction of liberty, oh and protracted conflict too!
3 reasons the liberal faith is not recently proselytized by blue-collar Dems:
1. Snowden.
2. 0b0z0 -care/-EOs/etc., etc.
3. Death of belief in sub-lie, that Dems don't want to take guns away.
--- Describe Bloomberg's gun control role to your Demn friends.
The number of people who genuinely care about your #1 one way or the other is vanishingly small.
"He will endorse the pettiest restrictions on human behavior as long as he can convince himself enough rubes that they're for everyone's own good"
He is a totalitarian who wants to control our lives. He yearns to control us - the rationalizations for that control are merely the means to achieve that control.
Bloomberg won't touch the Dem nominee in the bluest of states. And both Clinton and Sanders (the third guy is out of the game) are ardently anti-gun. So what does he bring to the table? He's actually pro-Israel, which is major minus for the leftist crowd.
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail.
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Bloomberg is an America hating scumbag. If we were truly a just society he'd be beaten to death in the streets and dragged through them by meat hooks.
my classmate's mother-in-law makes $78 hourly on the computer . She has been out of work for 6 months but last month her check was $17581 just working on the computer for a few hours. view website
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my classmate's mother-in-law makes $78 hourly on the computer . She has been out of work for 6 months but last month her check was $17581 just working on the computer for a few hours. view website
???????========[] http://www.Jobstribune.com
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do..
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? ? ? ? http://www.Workpost30.Com
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do..
Clik This Link inYour Browser....
? ? ? ? http://www.Workpost30.Com
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do..
Clik This Link inYour Browser....
? ? ? ? http://www.Jobstribune.com
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do..
Clik This Link inYour Browser....
? ? ? ? http://www.Jobstribune.com
I make $82h while I'm traveling the world. Last week I worked by my laptop in Rome, Monti Carlo and finally Paris?This week I'm back in the USA. All I do are easy tasks from this one cool site. check it out,
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"embodies the managerial impulse"
Understatement of the 21st century.