Vegetarianism

Everybody Hates Vegans, More Accurate CRISPR Gene-Editing, and Welcome to the Anthropocene

A scitech research and policy round up for January 8, 2016

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Omnivores Discriminate Against Vegans/Vegetarians

The dislike that dares speak its name: Omnivores tend to express negative evaluations of vegans and vegetarians.* This is the startling finding reported by Canadian psychologists in their new study, "It ain't easy eating greens: Evidence of bias toward vegetarians and vegans from both source and target," in the journal Group Processes and Intergroup Relationships. From the abstract:

Vegetarianism and veganism are increasingly prevalent in Western countries, yet anecdotal expressions of negativity toward vegetarians and vegans are common. We empirically tested whether bias exists toward vegetarians and vegans. In Study 1 omnivores evaluated vegetarians and vegans equivalently or more negatively than several common prejudice target groups (e.g., Blacks). Bias was heightened among those higher in right-wing ideologies, explained by heightened perceptions of vegetarian/vegan threat. Vegans (vs. vegetarians) and male (vs. female) vegetarians/vegans were evaluated more negatively overall. In Study 2 omnivores evaluated vegetarians and vegans more negatively than several nutritional outgroups (e.g., gluten intolerants) and evaluated vegan/vegetarians motivated by animal rights or environmental concerns (vs. health) especially negatively. In Study 3, vegetarians and especially vegans reported experiencing negativity stemming from their diets. Empirically documenting antivegetarian/vegan bias adds to a growing literature finding bias toward benign yet social norm-challenging others.

Gene-Editing in Humans Gets Closer

Researchers at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston report that they have created an even more precise version of the fantastically versatile new CRISPR gene-editing technology. As Nature reports the new version produces no detectable genome-wide off-target effects. Conceptually this moves the technology closer to being used to treat human beings. Late last year researchers reported using it to successfully treat a version of muscular dystrophy in mice.

Good-bye Holocene

Science is publishing an assessment by 24 prominent geoscientists who have concluded that we humans have sufficiently placed our marks upon the planet  such that we can declare that we have left behind the Holocene and have entered a new geological epoch: the Anthropocene. The stratigraphic evidence includes "unprecedented combinations of plastics, fly ash, radionuclides, metals, pesticides, reactive nitrogen, and consequences of increasing greenhouse gas concentrations."

One final note: Federal government nutritionists now say it's OK to eat eggs. Makes lacto-ovo vegetarians happy.

*Disclosure: I lived for many years with a woman who was a vegetarian and learned that a tasty meal does not necessarily require a meat dish. Also, some of my better friends are vegetarians.

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  1. If god didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of food.

    1. So I scanned the whole thread, and I am really disappointed none of the yokels made a “Goodbye Holocene, Hello Homocene” comment. Do we have to make your jokes for you?

  2. Also, some of my better friends are vegetarians.

    Yeah but they’re the good ones.

    1. Buddhist and Jains are often nice people who don’t eat meat.

    2. I’ve never met a vegetarian that wasn’t a self righteous prick or bitch.That includes my step daughter.I eat meat,I fish and hunt.Some things need killing and being eaten,like deer and geese in my area.

      1. Have you ever met a vegetarian who was so due to religious reasons? I agree with Brett, my Jain friend and his family are nice and his mother cooks up a storm.

        1. I know several Hindu Indians that make some pretty great stuff with no meat.

        2. Ditto, there was a great guy I went to high school with whom I didn’t even know was a vegetarian until someone mentioned it senior year.

      2. I’ve never met a vegetarian that wasn’t a self righteous prick or bitch.

        FUCK YOU.

        There. I feel better now.

      3. While self-righteous vegetarians are prevalent online, I have never met one in real life. I have known quite a few vegetarians (and dated a couple), and none of them were in-your-face about it.

      4. FWIW, I know ethical vegetarians who have no problem eating culled meat or maritime by-catch, because they “need killing and being eaten.”

  3. “Bias was heightened among those higher in right-wing ideologies,”

    I’m going out on a limb and betting there’s some circular reasoning involved in that sentence.

    1. It’s heightened bias all the way down!

    2. I don’t think so. Restrictive eating is not a random set, but an adopted set of behaviors. If one self-selecting cohort places a higher value on choosing a position, then those inclined toward it will sort themselves. And after that it becomes a loop of incentives and performances.

      Given that everything must be a culture war, a left-right divide in something like this just makes sense.

      1. I took him to mean the definition of “right-wing ideology” is biased, and think there’s a good chance of that, considering how biased academia is towards the left wing, and how vague and subjective the entire topic is.

    3. I’m going out on a limb and betting there’s some circular reasoning involved in that sentence.

      Evidence of bias toward vegetarians and vegans

      Does the word ‘bias’ mean something different in Canada or did they just stop teaching bias as an impartial concept all together in the sciences? In all of my statistics, genetics, etc. the phrase ‘bias toward’ was synonymous with ‘biased in favor of’ with ‘bias against’ being synonymous with the more common notion of social oppression.

      1. Or the positive/negative nature of the bias was explicitly denoted.

  4. It’s not that we hate on vegans. They’re so damned smug about their diet and try to force their views on the rest of society. If you want to pass on a good steak, that’s your problem. But don’t try to infringe upon my right to enjoy it with your sanctimonious posturing. How annoying.

    1. Sort of like gun-grabbers and drug warriors, then?

      1. Gun grabbers, drug use, abortion (pro choice, pro life), feminism, and the list goes on. I will disagree with half the population on these and other issues. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt by keeping in mind that, while I don’t agree with their views, they came by them honestly and have a right to hold whatever opinion they want.

        Where I get dismayed is when the typical SJW, leftie, progressive Marxist-type that thinks only their views are valid and everyone should bend to their enlightened wisdom. Gross generalization on my part? Sure. But not very wide of the mark either. Those people are a real PITA.

        1. Or PETA, as the case may be and the foo shits.

        2. “California foie gras ban struck down by judge, delighting chefs”
          http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..999897.php

          Self-righteous asses…

    2. Except within the “in group” itself, most evangelizers are regarded pretty poorly.

      For me, it is indeed their smug, self-righteous noise that is objectionable.

      And, please, don’t overcook that steak, I’ll take my cooked to about 130F, then allowed to rest for 10 minutes before being served on a warm plate. Roasted or baked potatoes as a side are nice, but not obligatory.

    3. Yes,I hate the insufferable pricks.

  5. I was a vegan for ten years. I even hated myself.

    1. Lord Hummus?

    2. /Looks in mirror.

      WHAT HAVE I BECOME?!

      /Pounds bathroom counter with both fists. Picks up vegetable off a dish. Bites raw Brussels Sprout.

    3. As you should.

    4. And I have been a vagitarian for like ever.

  6. As I’ve explained to more than few a vegans and vegetarians, when you consider and refer to what you are doing as “ethical” eating, you are implying that omnivores are unethical in their eating habits. It’s starting the whole conversation off on a hostile note.

    That being said, eat whatever you want. I truly don’t care.

    1. ::eats a frosted donut covered in Smarties::

      1. Smarties?

        *Betrays non-Americanism*

          1. Ah, I thought you meant these.

          2. Before our 7th grade history exam, my teacher solemnly handed out Smarties, deadpanned “You are what you eat” and glared at us over his mustache.

          3. Thank goodness you don’t mean this abomination of a Euroweenie Socialist confection.

            1. You’re dead to me.

              1. They aren’t even real chocolate, they’re some “chocolate-flavoured” commie concoctions…

                1. They are Nestle. All Nestle chocolate sucks. Almost as bad as Hershey’s.

                  I think you could call those Smarties chocolate in the US, though. It’s all about labeling rules for food products.

                  There was a thing recently where Cadbury’s milk chocolate couldn’t be called chocolate under EU rules.

          4. I thought Americans hated Smarties.

            Maybe we should create and market Dummies for them?

            1. Americans only like smart bombs. You know, the kind that can blow up weddings and hospitals with pinpoint accuracy.

      2. ::METABOLIZES IT JUST FINE THANK YOU::

    2. ” You’re the guy who would have been declaring that slavery was better for the economy. You’re the guy who would have been declaring that we needed to burn more witches at the stake, to raise morale. You’re the guy who would have stood in the way of women getting the vote. You’re the guy who would have held a gun to the head of every protester who declared that black people deserve equal rights. You have been indoctrinated by our society. You’re unwilling to look at the devastating consequences of your palette pleasure, and you’re looking for any excuse to demonize the only people who are actually doing anything to change our bleak future. Keep skewing the information to support your brutality, cruelty. You’re obviously unable to cope with the reality that you are actually destroying the world just because you enjoy the taste of stale dead bodies. Keep telling yourself all the excuses you need. You, and everyone like you, will be our downfall. The minority of people who actually give a shit could never save the world when faced with the billions of selfish automatons like you. You’ll find any excuse to continue in your destructive ways.The majority has always been awful, the majority has always endorsed cruelty, and bloodshed, and the majority has always found every excuse they could to continue destroying the world… You’re lost man. :And the only hope for the world is that there aren’t many more people like you.

      – response by vegan to recent comment

      1. Nothing like a hellfire-and-brimstone vegan.

      2. It always comes down to the firing squad for the non-believers.

        1. I hope that they are using steel bullets in that firing squad. Lead bullets play hell on Mother Gaia’s health.

      3. I’d respond to such a tirade with, “Stale? STALE? What are you talking about? I like my meat fresh! You’ve got some nerve, calling me a stale-ist.”

        1. “I like to hear the animal scream when I bite into it, I’ll have you know!”

          1. “I start with the feet and work my way up.”

            – Woody Woodchipper

          2. I like my beef so rare that 3 hours with a good vet it can walk .

        2. Everything within the stale, nothing outside the stale, nothing against the stale.

        3. Everything within the stale, nothing outside the stale, nothing against the stale.

        4. Maybe he meant dry-aged?! In which case, you’re damn right I enjoy it.

      4. He forgot to include “animals are people too”.

      5. The minority of people who actually give a shit could never save the world when faced with the billions of selfish automatons like you

        “Selfish automatons”, eh? Are we self-interested, or do we have no agency? Which is it?

        And the only hope for the world is that there aren’t many more people like you.

        Not much hope of that since there are billions of us and we’re a cruel majority.

        It’s important to hold your tongue when you’re enraged. It’ll keep you from making a fool of yourself.

      6. So he’s the majority. But thankfully, there aren’t many like him?

    3. They’re being passive-aggressive, which is the best you can hope for in humanity.

    4. *eats a slice of deep-dish pizza pie*

      1. Mistake me for Episiarch again and I will rain down hellfire on you.

      2. Deep dish is not pizza. You’re the guy who would have been declaring that slavery was better for the economy. You’re the guy who would have been declaring that we needed to burn more witches at the stake, to raise morale. You’re the guy who would have stood in the way of women getting the vote. You’re the guy who would have held a gun to the head of every protester who declared that black people deserve equal rights. You have been indoctrinated by our society. You’re unwilling to look at the devastating consequences of your palette pleasure, and you’re looking for any excuse to demonize the only people who are actually doing anything to change our bleak future. Keep skewing the information to support your brutality, cruelty. You’re obviously unable to cope with the reality that you are actually destroying the world just because you enjoy the taste of bizarre tomato casseroles. Keep telling yourself all the excuses you need. You, and everyone like you, will be our downfall. The minority of people who actually give a shit could never save the world when faced with the billions of selfish automatons like you. You’ll find any excuse to continue in your destructive ways.The majority has always been awful, the majority has always endorsed cruelty, and bloodshed, and the majority has always found every excuse they could to continue destroying the world… You’re lost man. :And the only hope for the world is that there aren’t many more people like you. “

        1. Yes,so many times yes.

        2. BTW,I quit reading at deep dish isn’t pizza.

    5. Ethical? From people who eat helpless plants? At least my food can fight back or defend itself. What’s so ethical about eating life forms that can’t defend themselves?

  7. and learned that a tasty meal does not necessarily require a meat dish.

    FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG

    1. You have to be careful what you say these days, apparently you’re not allowed to call a certain group of people queers anymore.

      You have to call them vegetarians.

      1. Well, to be fair, a faggot is a bundle of *sticks*.

        1. There is a song called “Picking up Faggots in the Park” btw; I think it was about some guy who need kindling to start his fire, or maybe that was just metaphorical…

          1. There’s that Bowie song about the faggy parks. Musb a reference.

        2. Or a smoke

  8. implying that omnivores are unethical in their eating habits.

    And since you are what you eat, you are unethical, period.

    No “implication”: it’s explicit.

    1. What’s going on here? Why didn’t you use the reply function which Reason has provided for you?

      1. Oh, oh! Looks like an outbreak of P Brookola!

  9. This girl came up to me today and said she recognized me from vegetarian club.

    I was confused, I’d never met herbivore.

    1. I heard you’re in sex club, though — a throbbing member.

      1. Sex Farm Woman
        I’ll Be Your Hired Hand

        1. All holes are equal, but some holes are more equal than others.

          1. But not the manhole…please.

        2. farmersorgy.com

          “City folks just don’t get it”

    2. MOOOOOOO

  10. ” vegetarians and especially vegans reported experiencing negativity stemming from their diets”

    Of course no other behavior factors were considered.

    1. Hell, if I didn’t meat, I’d “experience negativity stemming from my diet”, too, even if nobody knew I was a vegetarian.

    2. I was thinking more,

      “vegans reported experiencing negativity stemming from their never shutting the fuck up about their diets and why it makes them a better person than you

      1. Do they ride bicycles too?

  11. Remember folks

    There are no vegetarians; there are only confused omnivores.

    That said, I’m cool with people who prefer to eat veggies and nevertheless leave me alone.

    1. “” and nevertheless leave me alone.'””

      ay, there’s the rub

      1. Pfft, there is no rub without paprika.

        1. If we ain’t ‘sposed to eat animals, hows come they are made of delicious meat?

    2. Not always. I have dear friend who is a pescatarian (not sure of spelling, only eats fish and vegetables and fruits ) due to liver damage and being unable to properly metabolize meats.

      1. Heard a story/urban legend about a guy who knew a guy who ate so much sushi and other seafood that he got mercury poisoning.

  12. Q) What do you call a vegetarian with diarrhea?

    A) Salad shooter!

    1. +1 house dressing

    2. +1 second harvest

  13. The gene-editing development is the only real “science” in this article/post…

  14. How do vegetarian women keep men around if they don’t eat meat?

    1. The Patriarchy.

    2. I had a vegetarian girlfriend once. She tried to make me a steak, which I thought was really nice of her.

      It was basically rubber by the time she was done with it.

      1. Rubber comes from trees.

        1. No rubber condoms, no sheepskin condoms…

          Oak leaf glued together with sap?

  15. Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

  16. It’s usually because they’re insufferable about their being vegans. Vegetarians are usually ok.

    1. This. Many vegetarians don’t like vegans because they make non-meat-eaters look like insufferable, self-absorbed twats.

  17. My sister lives near PETA headquarters. She had an upstairs neighbor who would hang her head out the window and scream MEAT IS MURDER to all the patrons of the steakhouse across the street.

    It was strangely entertaining.

      1. This video is outstanding.

    1. Confirming that most PETA members are mentally ill.

      1. I worked at a Toy Store for a few years and PETA propagandists used to leave their literature in the stuffed animal section in hopes that children would find it. They are like a sick cult.

          1. Well they don’t all have to dress exactly the same…. Oh OK, they’re a cult.

      2. “Selfie-taking monkey has no copyright protections, S.F. judge says”
        […]
        “In the federal complaint, PETA argued, “Naruto has the right to own and benefit from the copyright in the Monkey Selfies in the same manner and to the same extent as any other author.”‘
        http://www.sfgate.com/news/art…..743683.php

        Pretty sure the image was taken at PETA headquarters…

    2. Your sister lives in Ghent, huh?

        1. Let me guess, the restaurant in question is the Public House (formerly Magnolia Steakhouse).

            1. My wife used to live across the street from there, ages ago. She hasn’t been a vegetarian since a brief period in high school, though, so it wasn’t her.

              1. Small world

    3. I used to have a bumper sticker that said “Meat Is Murder”. Chicks were really into it until they found out that I wasn’t complaining about the meat as much as I was bragging about the murder.

  18. I am shocked and amazed. I thought that the only norm-challenging non-conformity humans punished socially was having different skin or sexual or gender preferences. After all, that’s the only thing anyone ever talks about!

    Certainly no one ever openly insulted a short, glasses-wearing vegetarian, right? And if they did, that sort of thing could never compare to the micro-aggressions that people with different color skin face, in any way! The victimhood is minnnneeeeee allllllll mineeeeee!!!

    1. “I thought that the only norm-challenging non-conformity humans punished socially was having different skin or sexual or gender preferences.”

      And there we have the point of this particular brand of “Science”

      Its victim studies.

      The dietary-preferences-people feel they’ve been left out of the self-anointment game. They’re sick of having meat eaters just shrug and go, “Hey! its your thing, go for it”, rather than genuflect to their obvious moral superiority. So… get some ‘researchers’ to run a few surveys, determine that “Lots of Vegans Find Other People Shitty to Them”, declare the Science Settled, and impose new requirements in schools punishing Vegan-Shaming. Colleges plan to lead the way in these new diet-inclusive behavioral regulations.

      1. You totally captured the essence of victim culture.

      2. It’s mock-turtle soup all the way down.

  19. The Holocene is already predicated on human activity given that the beginning is defined as the beginning of the Mesolithic.

    This is just a global warmist stunt.

    1. Yep. That is the first thing that popped in my head when I read the headline.

    2. Seems like it should be people in the somewhat distant future deciding which era we were in.

      I do suspect that the human industrial era (however long that ends up lasting) will make a pretty distinctive geological period. Just think of all the neat stuff geologists and paleontologists will dig up in a few million years.

  20. I don’t care how veggies judge my eating habits. That’s not what angers me. It’s the special accommodations that have to be made at every. single. meal.

    1. Yes, vegans/vegetarians are a subset of picky eaters, who can be difficult to accommodate in a group meal environment.

      I too lived with a couple of vegetarians in college, which was convenient because I was always sure they weren’t scarfing down my food (to be fair, I subsisted almost exclusively on Totino’s “Canadian bacon” pizza).

    2. “…special accommodations that have to be made at every. single. meal.”

      No.

  21. At burning man my camp is called Vegan Nightmare. Naturally, a bunch of confused vegans misinterpret the name and wander into our camp each day of the burn. We have fun playfully harassing them about their eating disorder. The bacon, jerky, and pulled pork can be a true test of faith and more than a few have succumbed to their natural instincts. What’s the point of being human is you don’t assert your rightful place on top of the food chain?

    1. Cooking meat smells good. There must be some part of the brain that is instinctively pulled toward cooking meat.

      1. And yet people regularly describe the smell of *burning* flesh, especially human, as terrible.

        I really have to wonder, seems likely that humans are pretty tasty?

  22. I ignore the plant-eater cult – luckily there is little of it in my circle – but I draw the line when they force it on their kids. That should be child abuse.

    1. I’ve even heard of them imposing it on carnivorous pets, e.g. refusing to give their dogs meat.

      1. Animal abuse. I don’t know about dogs, but cats cannot live without meat.

        1. Humans cannot be healthy without a certain amount of animal protein as well.

          1. Have you ever seen a healthy-looking vegan? Ever?

            1. Here you go.

              http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WSXFITDkg5E/0.jpg

              Mac Danzig is likely to be in better shape than anyone in these comments…

              1. His eyes are sunken in, his skin has a yellowish, waxy sheen, and his legs are missing. My point stands.

                1. His eyes are sunken in, his skin has a yellowish, waxy sheen, and his legs are missing.

                  Hawt.

              2. And the dirty little secret about vegans/vegetarians is that their “amino acid supplements” are actually animal-derived, because the human body evolved to require a certain amount of animal protein; we are not herbivores. Everyone just pretends it’s somehow not the same as eating meat.

            2. Nope… I dated a vegan girl for a while. She was somewhat overweight (yea, I bang fat chicks… What of it?) 100% of the time, she was either tired, sick, or depressed.

              Of course, those things could have been because of her bodyfat percentage as well. But it goes to show that a vegan diet can be extremely unhealthy.

          2. Kind of like the “if god didn’t want us to eat animals…” argument, I always counter with “look at our teeth” when some self-righteous, douchebag, vegetarian prick (redundant, I know) tries to argue how we aren’t supposed to be carnivorous apex predators. If we were meant to subsist on a diet of leafy greens and beans, our teeth would look like cows’ and horses’. Instead, they look like dogs’ and bears’, albeit with less pronounced fangs. Chimps and other apes eat meat, right? So why not us…I agree with an earlier comment that the smell of cooking meat is hard-wired into our brains to be delicious, and by extension those who are revolted by the smell are mentally deficient.

            1. When I’ve brought up that issue, the response I get is usually something along the lines of, “but modern dietary science is a better indicator of what diet is best, and the consensus is that it’s a vegetarian diet.”

              But bring up the subject of GMOs and watch them scream, “GMOs are unnatural!! We’re not meant to eat that! Our ancestors never ate FrankenFoods, so they should be illegal!!!!!111”

        2. I think dogs can subsist on omnivore diets, but it’s not the best for them.

          As for my dog, she has managed to kill a baby bunny while on a leash and she’s just a little dachshund mix. I don’t think she’d be happy on a vegetarian diet, to say the least.

          1. The rule around our house is “if you can catch it, you can eat it”.

            1. I live on the north shore in Chicago, so you can make your own educated guesses about the persuasions and attitudes of my neighbors. I get such delight out of watching my hound pick up a trail at the dog park, and occasionally flush (and catch) a rabbit or squirrel. Actually, I get the most delight out of watching my dog catch the furry little critter and thrash it about until it stops screaming. No, check that…the real delight is the horrified looks on everyone else’s face while I’m saying “good girl!” The way I see it, any rabbit or squirrel dumb enough to hang out at a dog park deserves to be thinned from the gene pool.

              But I was torn between pleased and pissed when she killed a skunk, on leash. Unfortunately, she didn’t kill it quickly enough.

          2. So you’ve discovered first-hand that Dachshunds are little killing machines.

          3. “she’s just a little dachshund mix”

            These dogs have been bred over the centuries to hunt small burrowing animals such as rabbits. It’s no surprise that she attacked and killed a rabbit. Dogs need food, shelter and companionship. If you can manage to provide these, your dog will be happy, meat or no meat.

            1. We think she’s also part cocker spaniel, who have friendlier dispositions but are also hunting dogs. So yeah she’s always on the prowl.

            2. I looked down on dachshunds (pun intended) until I learned German. They are literally “badger dogs.” Anything brave enough to go face-to-face with those vicious creatures is ok in my book.

        3. “but cats cannot live without meat”

          Don’t underestimate cats. They can indeed live healthily on a meat-free diet. Dogs and people can do so too.

          1. Cats are obligate carnivores. Have you ever been right about anything in your entire life?

            1. “Have you ever been right about anything in your entire life?”

              I’m right about cats. They can survive and prosper on a meat-free diet. You need to broaden your reading. Never underestimate a creature’s ability to adapt and survive.

              1. That’s what I said about my dog fighting ring, but the facist cops didn’t buy it

    2. Aside from the nutritional angle (meat is nutritious!) there is the personal-choice angle here. I don’t view children as property, so if I were a Vegetarian with a child, I would feed the child meat (and allow them to be fed meat) until they reached the age where they could decide for themselves.

      1. Why not malnourish your own children so that they have a bonafide victim card with which to excuse any future terrible behavior?

        Modern parenting 101!!!11

      2. Our kids were raised from Day 0 as vegetarians. They are all healthy, athletic and happy. One of them got into the US Air Force Academy on a sports scholarship.

        Raising kids as vegetarians is the best thing you can do as a parent. When they reach the age where they can decide for themselves, the will do so without the downside of a life of dead animal consumption.

        1. It is natural for humans to eat meat. It is not a “downside”.

          1. Some people get off on denying human nature. I still call it child abuse.

    3. BS. My kids have been vegetarians since Day 0 and kick carnivore butt.

      1. Well, I guess that would depend on the carnivore, wouldn’t it?

      2. You sure they didn’t trade their gluten-free peanut-butter-substitute sandwiches for the delicious dead-animal-on-rye that their little schoolmates packed in their lunches?

        1. Actually, I don’t think that trade is likely to have occurred… What kid would give up a meat sandwich for the vegan, cardboard-flavored crap sandwich?

    1. Clicking on HM’s links never disappoints.

    2. I wonder how real those ‘scary hacker stories’ are.

      I’m sure it happens but I dunno…

  23. Vegans (versus vegans) are like Atheists (versus atheists). It’s the people who wear their opinions on their sleeves, those who are in your face, that are typically disliked. But, then again, any person who is self-righteous – those with a Philosophy (versus a philosophy) – aren’t going to be fellows-well-met on the road of life. I knew a full on vegan years ago (lesbian as well) who wasn’t too annoying with her beliefs. The only real tangible issue was her refusal to use scents of any kind, and she smelled bad. The firm had to clue her in that she’d have to clean that issue up. Of course, today, she’d have a multi-million law suit to file for bullying and mental anguish.

    1. I’m an atheist who doesn’t like most atheists. They get their panties in knots over moronic stuff: What do I care if there’s a Christmas tree in the 3-story atrium in the county administration building? I might object to the extra expense, except it was dwarfed by the cost of that idiotic 3-story atrium!

      1. Same here. I went through a brief phase where I read Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc. but I’ve entirely lost interest in the “movement”. Sometimes I think there needs to be a new word for people who are nonreligious but don’t participate in any atheist “community”.

  24. Hmmm. Turns out that people don’t like smug assholes.

    *crunches delicious bacon*

    1. Hmmm. Turns out that people don’t like smug assholes.

      Unless you’re into that kind of stuff, but it’s usually an extra fifty bucks. Unless you go downtown.

    1. What’s funny is that I’ve been in a very similar situation before…

      A big contingent of my family on my mom’s side is vegetarian, so we always have meatless family gatherings. That’s fine with me – my mom is a great cook, and she makes tons of dishes that are great even without meat.

      But one thing I can’t stand is the taste of imitation meat. I don’t know how to describe it. Somehow, it is bland, but there is still a strong taste of fungus or something. I hear that most of those imitation meat products are made out of mushrooms, so that might explain it. The only fake meat dish that I can eat is chili, but that’s probably because there are so many strong flavors to overpower it.

      Anyway, this has resulted in me having to ask, “does this dish have fake meat in it? I don’t eat fake meat.”

  25. I don’t hate vegans or vegetarians. To each their own. I know a few. While I think they’re misguided they’re not particularly idiotic about it even though when given an opening they’ll go into soliloquy mode about how they understand corporations are poisoning us blah, blah. They’re not above saying stupid things like Ginger-Ale isn’t made with real ginger. Gee, thanks asshole.

    BUT.

    I will say this. I have a vegan couple at my daycare. The wife emasculated her man who is a meat lover and hunter into following her quackery into the world of holistic crap. The poor kid drools at the lunches we serve – especially the home made pizza and pasta dishes – you heard right, home made. It’s almost cruel and drives the educators crazy. So much so they once approached the dad about it. The kid is starving most of the time because she hates the food her mom prepares. He winked and said, ‘give her a slice just don’t tell her mom’.

    Plus. Vegan ice-cream is terrible.

    1. “Vegan ice-cream”

      I have no words for this.

      1. Actually, vegan/vegetarian ice cream like the kind they sell at trader joes :

        1) tastes good/has a good texture
        2) doesn’t mess with my stomach via lactose
        3) is about 1/4th as calorie dense as real ice cream, which means I can eat 4x as much of it

        THE HORROR!!@#!

        1. 1) Buy no-lactose ice-cream.
          2) GELATO – I mean the real stuff if you can find it. The fresher the better. It seems to impact my stomach less.

        2. It’s shit compared to the real stuff.

        3. I’m lactose intolerance as well.

          Vegan ice cream tastes like shit.

            1. Same. Sometimes real ice cream is worth a little gas and bloating.

            2. GUYS/GALS/XIS HE JUST ADMITTED THAT HES INTOLERANT LETS GET HIM!!11

    2. I have a vegan couple at my daycare.

      Vegans are so pathetic they have to enroll in daycare.

      1. Good one! They enrolled their two kids. I don’t see kale. I see is KA-CHING!

        1. You don’t see Kale? What are you, a free range parent?

    3. The vegan foods which are truly terrible abominations are the baked goods. It turns out that dairy and eggs feature in most delicious baked things. Vegan “cookies”? UGH.

      1. And animal-based fats.

  26. Heh. I’m a Libertarian, Vegetarian, Atheist NRA Life Member. EVERYBODY hates my guts.

    1. Haha. well are least you are principled

    2. Let’s go shoot plants then get high and scarf some veggie nachos. I bet we get along just fine

  27. I made some cream of broccoli soup last night. It’s pretty good.

    I’ve come to really appreciate a lot of different vegetables over the past few years, but I can’t imagine enjoying them without butter or bacon fat or underneath some meat. Brussel sprouts in olive oil can be delicious, but it’s even better next to some pork.

    1. By the time I was three or four my mother was feeding us stuff like artichoke with garlic and olive oil. There was always – always – fruits and vegetables on the table. Always. You name it, it was there.The rest is history and now I do the same with my daughter.

      I can’t imagine a day without fruits/vegetables.

      1. My mom pushed vegetables on us at every meal growing up, but she was so godawful at cooking them that i ended up believing all vegetables were inherently flavorless, unpleasantly-textured chores. It wasn’t until i worked at some good restaurants in my 20s that i was able to appreciate vegetables for how awesome they could be. Now, i’ll often cook an entire meal that is nothing but cruciferous and root vegetables roasted to caramelized perfection.

        The next night, i’ll grill a steak. The body wants what it wants.

        1. Oh God, this^. My mom had me turned off to vegetables for years, until I started making enough money to eat at good restaurants and found out they can actually be good.

          1. My mom’s veggie cooking method was something like:

            1. Set pot of water to boil
            2. Add vegetables, preferably frozen, to pot
            3. Boil them until they fall apart
            4. Complain about how much salt kids have to add to a serving to make it palateable

            1. At the risk of sounding like a proggy, boiling food is a hate crime*

              *proggy exception for the foods which I prefer boiled.

              1. *proggy exception

                Gluten-free pasta and fair trade quinoa?

            2. Mine is the exact opposite. My mother is a master. So much so that my friends say it fucked us up good since little impresses us! We’re the classic ‘my mother doesn’t make it that way’ kids. And my friends, having eaten at my house, agree with us.

              She’s that good.

              My father wanted to buy her a restaurant but she wasn’t ready to take it to a business model. Two different worlds.

          2. Same here, except I still rarely cook my own. Though I grilled some asparagus the other day and it was nice.

            I still won’t touch brussels sprouts, though. My stomach’s reaction to those was never due to my mother’s cooking.

            1. BS does that to people.

              I can’t eat eggplants.

      2. It was pretty similar in my house, though I mostly grew up in Hawaii, so our selection was limited by what was moderately fresh and what my dad could tolerate (I later learned that’s why we never had broccoli). So I generally grew up only with asparagus, green beans, carrots, zucchini, cucumber, and artichoke when it didn’t cost $8. And corn, but does that really count? Anyway, it wasn’t until recently that I’ve realized how tasty and versatile are red cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower, brussel sprouts, spinach, etc.

        Not kale, though. I need to mask that under a bunch of other flavors to get it palatable.

        1. Cabbage or cauliflower: toss with olive oil, salt, pepper, and spices of your choice (curry style is good), roast at 350 degrees for an hour
          Broccoli: slice into planks, drizzle with soy sauce, and grill until caramelized
          Brussel sprouts: saute in butter with onions
          Spinach: drizzle with cider vinaigrette and eat raw

          1. Broccoli: slice into planks, drizzle with soy sauce, and grill until caramelized

            Oooo I’m gonna try that

            1. That’s how i do asparagus, too.

        2. I think this salad is an interesting approach for those who don’t like kale (or brussels! they’re uncooked in this recipe so they act more like cabbage…) :

          http://www.bonappetit.com/reci…..rout-salad

      3. All about context. I’m not much for cooking unless I have a lot of free time, but the frozen stuff you can buy these days (steam in the bag) is perfect for me.

        Weeknights after work I normally go with a frozen chicken breast in the oven (garlic/olive oil/sea salt) and then nuke a quick bag of frozen broccoli for a great meal. (followed up with a thawed bowl of frozen mango). Cheap and efficient and extremely tasty.

  28. Why dont vegans worry about plant well being? #plantslivesmatter

    1. That’s not part of their grand plant…

    2. And what about the huge environmental impact that everyone of us going veggie would have? If every single person decided they had to eat free-range organic sprouts, I think you’d have to plow under every last inch of the planet just to grow enough. Yes, I know cattle consume a ton of resources just to get fattened up to the point where they can be butchered, but they are also much more energy-dense than the alternative. On the other hand, modern agriculture has evolved through productivity improvements to the point where we’re buying tomatoes from Canada(!!!) in February and feedlots can process more cattle than our grandparents could ever imagine. Free-market capitalism at its best…finding the most efficient way possible to meet the demand of a system.

  29. “Empirically documenting antivegetarian/vegan bias adds to a growing literature finding bias toward benign yet social norm-challenging others.

    Vegetarianism/Veganism is not benign. They feel the need to try to change how I live — by force and by fraud. Look at all the crap Vege/Vegan extremist group CSPI has tried to foist on us. Same with PETA.

    1. Exactly. Just like the anti-GMO, the lactose intolerant, or the gluten intolerant. I’m sorry that the intolerants have a limiting condition, and I’m happy to see the market giving them choices.

      But the ones I know have a whiff of evangelism in them. “Milk is for baby cows!” they say. “Gluten has long term dangers!” I get a bad feeling from them.

      1. I’m happy to see the market giving them choices.

        Yep, but their influence on everybody else is way outsized as the market rushes to jump on the latest bandwagon and crowds out normal-people food.

        1. “crowds out normal-people food”

          Victimized by the market. That’s certainly a novel complaint from a self-styled libertarian.

        2. Perhaps you’re not normal.

          1. Pardon me, Old Man With Candy, but I do not trust your advice regarding what sort of wagon, van, chariot, beast, dirigible, and/or vessel I should board.

    2. “They feel the need to try to change how I live”

      Congrats. You’re a victim. Now maybe you’ll get some respect around here.

      1. mtrueman, now convenient that you left out the “by force and by fraud” part.

        If a group starts advocating for government to force a lifestyle on others, it’s absolutely right to call them out and oppose them.

        1. “by force and by fraud”

          Forcing and frauding is just a part of human nature!

          1. Is there laws or regs enforcing veggi-ism? I haven’t seen them. Just tell food bigots to fuck off. Now, the PHO/transfat regs that are driving up the cost of most everything on the other hand…

  30. From the vegan/vegetarian article:

    “In Study 1 omnivores evaluated vegetarians and vegans equivalently or more negatively than several common prejudice target groups (e.g., Blacks).”

    Orange is the new black.

    1. I’ve always wondered, how are “Blacks” presented in these studies (or any other group for that matter)? Is there some objective, peer reviewed process for selecting pictures? If not pictures, are there anecdotes or something?

      I guess I could go look up the study to see if they have published all of their supporting material.

      1. Well crap. It costs 30 bucks to get the full study.

        1. “You’re racist if you don’t pay.”

          -P.C. Barnum.

  31. Vegetarians: ok

    Vegans: assholes

  32. You know who else was a vegetarian?

    1. and a teatotaller too!

  33. Relevant tweet, would have been superior to pic:

    “Last call for flight 254”

    [Runs to gate]

    “You barely made it”

    [out of breath] This isnt my flight. I just wanted to tell you I’m a vegan

    1. Out.

      1. Standing.

  34. Few times I been criticised for eating dead animal flesh, as such, by someone, I’ve used it as an opportunity to explain that there’s no real problem in eating animals but rather in the spiritual relationship between the eater and the food animal. One of the lines I like to use is, “I only eat the ones that I know their names.” (I’d like to work in a reference to Sir Beefus of Hamtown, but nothing comes to mind.) At any rate, the opposition has always disintegrated entirely in face of this argument. A couple times, someone held out briefly, till I was able to expose that his thinking treated animals as objects to be used for his own gratification and humans as somehow supernaturally standing outside of superior to the natural world and failed to respect them as moral agents embedded in the same cosmic matrix as we are. They’ve not seemed to come up with any particular resolution, but they seem to be incapable of maintaining an argument against predation in these terms. Twice, the opposition sort of trailed off and then said something like, “Well, I guess THAT might be alright…, but….” and abandonned the toppick.

  35. Any stats on the ingroup outgroup preferences of vegans?

    Ha ha of course not

    I’m sure their in group preferences are completely irrelevant to how the outgroup views them.

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  37. complaining about being discriminated against for being a vegan is like the most privileged attitude i can think of

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