Bernie Sanders Says He'll Try to Woo Donald Trump Supporters
Not surprising.


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose insurgent campaign against the frontrunner, Hillary Clinton, has been topping out at 30 percent, recently started to mention that his message about income inequality could appeal to many of Donald Trump's voters.
Appearing on CBS' Face the Nation yesterday, Sanders was asked about that first:
John Dickerson: This year, as we look back, you and Donald Trump are the big surprise political stories. You have suggested recently that your message about the economic inequality can appeal to the Trump voters. Explain how that happens.
Sanders: Look, many of Trump's supporters are working-class people. And they are angry.
And they're angry because they are working longer hours for lower wages. They're angry because their jobs have left this country and gone to China or other low-wage countries. They're angry because they can't afford to send their kids to college or they can't retire with dignity.
And I think what Trump has done successfully, I would say, is take that anger, take that anxiety about terrorism and say to a lot of people in this country, look, the reason for our problems is because of Mexicans. And he says, they're all criminals and rapists. We have got to hate Mexicans. Or he says about the Muslims, they are all terrorists, and we got to keep them out of this country. Those are—that's what we have to deal with to make America great.
Meanwhile, interestingly enough, John, this is a guy who does not want to raise the minimum wage. In fact, he has said that he thinks wages in America are too high. But he does want to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top three-tenths of 1 percent.
So, I think for his working-class and middle-class supporter, I think we can make the case that if we really want to address the issues that people are concerned about, why the middle class is disappearing, massive income and wealth inequality in this country, that we need policies that bring us together, that take on the greed of Wall Street, the greed of corporate America, and create a middle class that works for all of us, rather than an economy that works just for a few.
Donald Trump took to Twitter to deny he said wages were too high, calling it a "lie." But on the campaign trail, he has, indeed, previously called wages "too high." Not anymore. On the trail today he said they were too low. It's not the first time Trump's changed his mind. The Washington Post counted at least 20 instances between June and August.
In the meantime, Trump argued he was winning over supporters from Sanders, because he's "lowering taxes" while Sanders would "double" or "triple" them. Outside of promises to raise taxes on the "1 percent" (not an actual tax bracket or legal term) and the super wealthy (ditto) and some kind of Wall Street tax, Sanders has said little about how he'd raise the revenue needed for his proposals for trillions in new spending—it would almost certainly require higher taxes across the board.
While Sanders comments on Face the Nation are getting a lot of press, the idea of an overlap between the positions of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump aren't new—especially on immigration and trade, but also on campaign finance reform (part of Trump's shtick is that he can't be bought but other politicians are) and even higher taxes on parts of the financial sector.
Back in July, Sanders called the notion of "sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders" (Ezra Klein's ham-fisted wording) a "right-wing proposal" meant to depress wages in America. This is a similar argument not only to the one Trump makes about limiting immigration, but that right-wing parties in Europe, like UKIP in Great Britain, use to argue against the actually-existing open borders policy of the European Union's Schengen area. The European Union can be a statist nightmare, but its single market's four freedoms—the free movement of goods, capital, services, and people—are not.
Sanders' own stance on immigration is vague, he says he wants to bring 11 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows," but neither defines what that means nor offers any proposals to make legal immigration into the United States easier. None of the candidates on the Democratic or Republican side have advocated opening U.S. borders. Amnesty would be close—illegal immigrants are self-selected, and the qualifications for amnesty in most proposals are usually minimal. Hundreds of thousands of people try to cross the U.S.-Mexico border every year, legally or not. Immigration reform that leads to more legal crossings would, by definition, have to "open" the border to some degree, and even though that's hardly an "open border," it's what's usually meant when politicians, like Sanders and Trump, fearmonger over "open borders."
Similarly, while Trump has been bombastic about opposing free trade with China, Sanders is also very concerned about trade with China, and how that creates wealth for the Chinese at the expense of Americans—an economically illiterate, if not even xenophobic, argument. The xenophobia in Sanders' positions may not be as latent but it's an underlying driver of positions that view gains of "the other" (Mexican, Chinese, or otherwise) as coming at the expense of Americans—the same driver of many of Trump's positions, as Sanders noted on Face the Nation.
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This is going to be lol-tastic.
Anyone who can get a Derpbook should see what gets posted on this.... I also suppose Occupy Derpocrats and the like are going to melt down.
*at*
Nothing so far on my feed, but it generally takes at least overnight for the hive mind to come up with talking points.
Thanks for that - now all I can imagine is a great low pitch bzzzzzzzzzzz as the lefty-bees settle in, to get their instructions for when they fly out of the hive the next morn.
The hive metaphor needs to be retired. Bees don't blindly follow the orders of the queen. Rather, decisions are made through a democratic process in which individual bees make their case through a dance, similarly to the way the market works. The queen is mostly an egg factory. If she gets weak, the bees replace her.
i havent logged into facebook for about a month. i don't miss it at all.
I'm finally starting to be entertained by this election.
In reality it will be Sanders' supporters crossing over to vote for Trump. Even they won't vote for Hillary.
This is just one of many reasons why there will be a president Trump.
Amsoc or Joe from Lowell hardest hit?
Do we have to choose?
OK, hit them both, hard.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpq8PHcAb6Y
Where have you been, young man?
In a self loathing depression chewing on a shotgun barrel sitting in my own filth, while thinking of you.
Stop trying to flatter Playa!
"It's the Retard Singularity!"
"The Derpularity"
"The Wormhole to Nowhere"
"Mobius Shrugged"
I larfed.
But will Sanders force Mexico to pay for that wall?
The joke's on him. We'll be using actual Mexicans to build it!
Nah, the joke's on the Mexicans. Bernie will make them pay union dues for the privilege of building the wall.
Then we'll have an avalanche of pearl clutching thought leaders bemoaning the fact that poor brown people are supporting rich white people on social security.
If you want to start wooing me, Bernie, you better start showing off a little more leg.
I bet Bernie's leg is quite crusty.
Woo or throw poo. Them's the two options a politician has.
wut
So a candidate of emotion-driven statist idiots plans to woo other emotion-driven statist idiots? Let me put on my Donald Trump Signature Comlection shocked face.
When Trump dissolves Congress, he'll be able to use his trademarked "You're fired!"
There will be no need for that. Congress will be quite happy to get him his Enabling Acts.
Sanders: Look, many of Trump's supporters are working-class people. And they are angry.
Bernie and Trump assume their so stupid that they'll either be lured to the polls by imagining the government sticking it to immigrants or sticking it to "the rich" while giving them free shit. And they're probably right.
*they're
It worked for Obama.
No they don't assume that. What they do both do is understand the anger of folks who know full well that they are losing the class war being conducted against them by insiders and elites. While libertarians are as usual completely freaking clueless.
And their solution to that is... to give even more power to insiders and elites like Sanders and Clinton???
Libertarians are quite clear about it: if you want insiders and elites to stop hurting the country, you need to take away their power, and you do that by reducing the size of government. How is that "clueless"?
Like it or not, the 'correct solution' doesn't matter in politics. That only matters to people who think elections are won/lost on party platforms. Elections are about choosing who will preside over the real decision. And voters choose the person who they think will a)prioritize what they want and b)is emotionally committed enough and strong enough to make it happen.
It is very easy to destroy both Trump and Sander's electoral viability with five simple words - They will sell you out. That no Republican candidate has even bothered merely proves that none of them gives a damn about making their own case to the 30% or so of the electorate that is favoring Trump now. And Sanders can't be undermined from his base until Trump is - because that too requires populist/class war (outsider/underdog v insider/elites). In Sander's case (because he has the benefit of 100+ years of unquestioned socialist lies about 'good intentions'), it will need to be pointed out that he 'will sell you out' to those in/around DC (8 of the 15 highest income counties in the US - 5 others are basically Wall St suburbs).
Trump and Sanders combined is probably an electoral majority. But when it comes to economic issues, libertarians are dilettantes. They aren't willing to actually fight for free competitive markets.
How would "they will sell you out" destroy either of these canidates?
Both run on and are somewhat more favorable for being seen as less likely to sell them out. Sanders isn't exactly an outsider, but his democratic competitor is Hillary. If you are an honest progressive/socialist, you can be much more certain Sanders will stick to his guns than Hillary. Though its not particularly hard to have more moral character than Hillary.
Trump is really, really an outsider, shows no sign of bowing to outside pressure of beltway norms, and many republicans are convinced the current establishment has sold them out: giving nothing back for all the power they've been granted.
There's certainly arguments to be made against both of them, but this is not it.
Obviously Hilary and GOPEstablishmentguy can't undermine Trump/Sanders using that approach. All they can do is offer 'vote for me - the lesser of two evils' if/when they win the nomination.
But someone who is actually looking to undermine the tilted playing field can use that approach. Neither Trump nor Sanders is actually credible as someone who would achieve that goal. Trump is a lifelong crony who has merely 'discovered' that most of the 'social traditionalist' demographic is far more animated by actual economic issues than by social issues. Sanders is admittedly tougher to undermine using this because Dems have a long history of being unchallenged when 'speaking for the little guy getting screwed'. But it can be done because Sanders is a pure socialist ideologue.
Libertarians or free-market advocates with a Randian ethic can't remotely undermine Trump/Sanders - because at core they know that cronyism pays for the successful so they will support the establishment on economic issues and will merely demonize the supporters of Trump/Sanders as 'stupid' 'moochers' 'leeches' etc. Libertarians with a 'traditionalist'/religious ethic (judging an ideology from the perspective of the poor) or a Rawlsian ethic (judging an ideology from the perspective of those who don't know their future in that system) would be more credible than either Trump/Sanders. But they don't seem to exist.
The problem with Sanders isn't his intentions, it's his competency. Sanders would unintentionally sell out Americans to special interests because he is simply too dumb to understand what he is doing. Hillary is at least a big smarter than Sanders.
Don't agree with Bernie on several things nor do a I agree with Trump on too much but the one thing that gives them a chance with me is the hope that in 2016 it is "Anybody but Hillary."
Bad move, Bernie. Assuming Trump is a stalking horse for Hillary, you are playing into her hands, here. Howsabout trying to win your own primary before going after a general election demographic?
Bernie actually believes that white working class stiffs are being cheated by the banks/corporations - and not by the government.
Why not both?
It's both, through a team effort.
Howsabout trying to win your own primary before going after a general election demographic?
If only Rand Paul had heeded that advice...
2016 - the worst candidates ever.
Trump, Carson, Cruz bring the fascism, Sanders the legit socialism and Hil-Dog has to move toward his positions to ward off the lefties. And moving on positions is what she does.
Hey, that's how she keeps Bill around...
Re: Peter Caca,
Is there such a thing as "illegitimate" socialism?
All those times that socialism failed, you know, like all the times. They failed because it wasn't true socialism with the right Top. Men.
Some people are falsely called a socialist or commie. Like Ike, for instance. Sanders is legit.
If someone's "falsely" called a racist, then that's a good thing for that guy. Because he's not racist.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
Re: Peter Caca,
Irrelevant. The question stems from your assertion that Bernie wants to bring 'legit' socialism. I am asking you: is there such a thing as illegitimate socialism?
If you wanted to say that the guy is legit, that's a different argument. Stop being such a commie and learn to use words correctly.
Trump brings the mercantilism
Carson brings the narcolepsy
Cruz brings the opportunism
Rubio brings the military adventurism
Sanders brings the fascism
Hilary brings the gynamism
But other than quibbling over labels, yes, they all suck hind title.
Hind tit
(Fuck auto correct and no edit function)
Sanders has gotten Hilary to pull the the left and focus on real issues and Trump to eat his words on minimum wage. Sanders has my vote for that alone.
Hey butthead, what we have now is fascism. Trump is not a fascist, but you are a moron.
Sanders is not a "socialist", Sanders is a fascist: his political program is very similar to that of the NSDAP in the 1920's. Socialists and fascists both hate the wealthy and capitalism. The primary difference is that socialists also hate the middle class (the bourgeoisie) and want to abolish private property, while fascists try to appeal to the middle class and are promising to preserve their private property and hand out lots of goodies to the middle class.
Quibbling over the fine lines in the definition of statist, that is, how much the state controls/interferes with your life. Always more fulfilling than anything else on the planet.
It's not "quibbling": Sanders is as popular as he is because he is a fascist rather than a socialist. How many middle class voters do you think would vote for Sanders if his party program actually consisted of the confiscation of all private property and nationalization of all corporations? Know your enemy.
you might try doing some formatting Ed. I saw the old lying buffoon on the show yesterday and know which crazy quotes are his, but others might not.
Old Man Yells at Cloud
Sometimes when you yell at the cloud....the cloud yells back!
Cloud, yelling back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EinzBoVnmRs
"WooooOOOOOOOOooooooo! Hey, Trump supporters! WooooooOOOOOOOooooooo!"
"Uh, Bernie... That is not what the word means."
"Oh, ok. So should it be 'Whoa, there, Trump supporters! Whoa, there! Whoa! Whoa!'"
"Uhm..."
By George, you've GO it!
"Make the People's Republic great again!"
+1 hat
Say, is anyone else disturbed by what SugarFree could do with this....?
I might buy that line if it were embroidered on a trucker cap.
Reminds me of the Renaissance fair I went to many years back, and a couple of the characters were beggars. Mud-beggars to be more precise. For a dollar coin they'd go and give someone a hug for you. My white shirt didn't stay very white that day. And one of them, Rufus (how can you forget a name like that?) would go up to the women and say "Wooooooooo!" "Woooooooo!" in a vain effort to woo them. It was a fun day. Oh, and the Scottish Eggs were to die for.
*blinks*
*top of lungs*
NERRRDDD!
Rufus? As in Rufus the Canuck from Canuckland?
Good to see you have moved on from Renaissance Fairs. Probably to LARPing.
We have got to hate Mexicans.
goddamn Bernie, that's harsh.
Does not compute.
Free Soc -- You are 100% correct.
Love to be wooed
https://youtu.be/dP4DyEIawT8?t=17
+1 gay man in strip club
You know who else pitched woo...
My brother-in-law? Yours?
The manager of the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters?
The Rza?
Not likely. He can't even stand up to Hillary face to face.
Ans he's a total ignoramus on economics as his home vs. college loan interest tweet proved to everyone.
Sanders' own stance on immigration is vague, he says he wants to bring 11 million illegal immigrants "out of the shadows,"
Sanders took a position that goes against what he believes because it is now the dogma of his party. So, he'll grant amnesty. And we'll find ourselves in the same situation having the same exact argument within 20 years. Because they aren't going to stop coming.
Because they aren't going to stop coming.
The Mexicans mostly have. Unfortunately, they are being backfilled to some degree by Central Americans. Now, if the Central American countries can develop to the extent Mexico has, our land-based illegal immigration will mostly taper off. That's a big honking if, but its entirely possible.
I'm less concerned about mass immigration by plane or boat. What I see no reason to do is import "refugees" from UN and Islamist controlled refugee camps now, or go for any significant immigration from MENA countries until they shake off their current dysfunction.
If we just have to have an openish immigration policy, I would vote for looking at Europe and Japan, maybe a few other semi-functional countries that don't have an active infection of jihadis/Islamonutters. I'm less worried about sharia being imposed in my lifetime, than I am about the stupid overreaction if we do import some terrorists.
If I had to chose between the two, I might have to vote for Bernie simply because I believe that Bernie will on the whole respect individual liberties and not be a war boner. If its a choice between Hillary and Trump, I will stay home.
Bernie will on the whole respect individual liberties
Yes, socialists are famous for respecting individual liberties.
They're very polite when they starve you.
I am not likely to vote for anyone at this point, I'm just saying that there is a bigger threat right now from overly aggressive police/drug warriors/homeland security than from a "socialists" starving or taxing anyone. I had high hopes for Rand Paul, but unfortunately he has run a crappy campaign.
I'm just saying that there is a bigger threat right now from overly aggressive police/drug warriors/homeland security than from a "socialists" starving or taxing anyone.
I suppose, but I can't imagine why you think that any socialist is ever going to back off on the police state.
If they take money away from drug and law enforcement and put it into subsidized child care, that could be a start. Bernie seems like the type to do this, maybe, and tell all the special interests to go F-themselves? I know that this isn't a libertarian position, but I am convinced that we will never have a libertarian government, so I would rather one that is not going to waste my tax money on police and wars.
If you believe a word out of Sanders' mouth, you are insane. Remember when Candidate Obama promised to be the most transparent administration in history?
I never believed Obama for a nanosecond and did not vote for him (I have never voted for a democrat, in fact). I would trust Bernie more than Trump though, and most of the rest of the GOP lineup.
If they take money away from drug and law enforcement and put it into subsidized child care, that could be a start.
Has Bernie proposed cutting law enforcement budgets?
When do socialists take money away from government programs and give to other programs? The socialist answer to a budget shortfall or an increase in spending always calls for more of everyone else's money.
"When do socialists take money away from government programs and give to other programs? The socialist answer to a budget shortfall or an increase in spending always calls for more of everyone else's money."
Good point! And the military-police complex does provide a lot of union jobs I guess, and therefore unlikely that Bernie will try to take away their money.
If it were simply that easy to move money around, I'd rather it spent on neither and taxes reduced.
There's a long track record of what subsidy does - it makes the suppliers flabbier and inefficient and the consumer gets a poorer product. Nothing like government intervention via subsidy or regulation to double the cost and reduce the quality. E.g. energy, health, education, the list goes on. So, by all means, let's get Big Pre-school Industrial Complex up and running. I'll have two deodorant choices and a massive, conceited, powerful group to support with my tax dollars.
If they take money away from drug and law enforcement and put it into subsidized child care, that could be a start.
How to set the inner cities aflame in 1 easy step...
I can't think of a socialist state with a weak police force.
Bloomberg threatened to send health inspectors to enforce his soda ban. What would happen if a store owner said "Get lost"? The cops would come, of course. What happened when Eric Garner sold cigarettes without proper permits?
I can't think of a socialist state with a weak police force.
Socialist states have very strong enforcement arms, but tend to have very weak policing, if you define "policing" as keeping the peace and protecting the rights of the people. Put another way, they'll be sure to enforce that ASBO keeping you from saying mean things, but I wouldn't hold my breath (no pun intended) on them responding effectively if someone was beheading you in a public park.
Your risk from "overly aggressive police/drug warriors/homeland security" is small. Your risk from Sanders wrecking your retirement, wrecking your health care, and wrecking your hobbies is very high.
I'll take an ugly war mongering Wall Street whore over a socialist idiot any day.
This.
"To the Socialists of All Parties."
Now that you mention it...I see the similarities.
Bizarre that Bernie thinks he can appeal to the Trump supporters pissed off that the Washington insiders have repeatedly fucked over the common man - because they think Senator Bernie Sanders is a Washington outsider? - and he's sure Trump supporters hate those mega-rich New York crony-capitalist wheeler-dealer bastards like Donald Trump just as much as he does.
Why would anybody think that a political science major and career politician is a "Washington outsider"?
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You're part of the 1%. You need to be taxed more.
+1 Feel the Berne
So Sander's thinks he can woo the idiot vote and this surprises who?
Comrade Bernie already has the idiot (socialists) vote.
Now he wants the moron (Trump) vote too.
Talk about selfish.
Now he wants all the votes.
Are you sure he's a socialist?
Why doesn't he want to share like any good progressive?
After all, to share is to care.
Sanders 2016.. my vote is cast!
"we need policies that bring us together" - Bernie Sanders, one word before starting another attack on free enterprise.
"Not surprising"
Yeah, I know Ed. Anyone that argues for a fairer distribution of wealth is really, secretly referring to racism
"Sanders' own stance on immigration is vague"
He's repeatedly advocated policies to make it easier for immigrants to seek work in the United States and to become citizens. If you are too fucking lazy or paid off to look that up on google that's your problem, Ed, not mine. What a pathetic slur this hack article is. Bravo, Ed and Reason! You guys are the best.
"a fairer distribution of wealth"
Why don't you earn it instead of taking it from someone else?
He's a socialist and party member! Obviously, he is intrinsically valuable to society because he believes the right things and has good intentions! He deserves to be compensated accordingly! It's unfair that engineers and business people earn so much more money than him!
He doesn't even "advocate" policies, he calls for policies. Bernie doesn't have a plan--which is strange from an avowed socialist--instead he calls out perceived problems and calls again for policies. The guy is just another Community Organizer? stirring people up while offering nothing in the way of solutions.
Shorter Bernie: "There's a problem here. Someday I'll advocate a policy to solve it."
"Anyone that argues for a fairer distribution of wealth is really, secretly referring to racism"
Crazy talk. We all know that people who argue for limited government are really, secretly referring to racism.
Right, racist?
FTWY
Fairer distribution of wealth. Define please.
You do realize that nothing Bernie is advocating accomplishes anything like what you desire, right?
If only there were some distributed system that allocated resources efficiently based on what people really valued.
Cruz/fiorina 2016!
If you want to woo the Trump supporters, you have to stop supporting the Democratic Party platform of gun control! Instead of supporting a blatantly unconstitutional "terrorist watch list" prohibition on gun ownership which violates both due process and the 2nd Amendment even though those lists have already been proven that they are error ridden and would not have prevented any mass shootings or the San Bernadino attack. And, instead of proposing more and more restrictions and prohibitions on law-abiding US residents' gun possession, which have already been proven that they would not have prevented this kind of mass attack, allow us to exercise our RIGHT of self-defense!
1. Pass a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill. National Concealed Carry Reciprocity bills have been stalled in the US Congress for at least the last 6 years due to blockage by the Democratic Party.
2. Amend the Federal Gun Free School Zone act to include an exclusion for ALL concealed weapons permit holders, not just holders of concealed weapons permits issued by that state.
3. Pass a National law to eliminate all Gun Free Zones that do not have metal detectors, package and personnel screening for ALL persons entering (including owners, employees and security personnel). In addition, these areas must provide on-site armed security protection for all people on the premises.
I'd just like to see an end to the War on English being perpetrated by the people that focus on "militia" in the 2A.
The predicate is NOT a conditional, people! Do I need to bring out the whiteboard?
"Bernie Sanders: I can appeal to Trump's voters"
Yeah, right. Sure you can, you delusional old commie ...
I will restate my desire to not "Feel the Bern" in 2016, but instead "Burn the feelz" in a very figurative and non threatening way, of course.
Right wing populist, meet fascist. Fascist, meet right wing populist.
Trump/Sanders 2016!
Because, Mexicans!
News for you, Bernie. People supporting Trump are pissed, and one of the things they're pissed about is all the socialism.