Celebrated auteur Michael Bay has been making a movie about Benghazi. (It's slated to come out in January, the month for motion pictures so good they don't even want an Oscar.) The project attracted the attention of the CIA, and the agency requested a meeting with the director.
The Daily Beast's Asawin Suebsaeng asked the CIA to explain its interest:
Paramount
The agency has a long history of attempting to gain influence in Hollywood and independent American media, and in 1996 opened its very own Entertainment Liaison Office, which advises high-profile filmmakers and projects. So if you're watching a flashy Hollywood thriller starring, say, a young, exceptionally handsome Colin Farrell as a well-groomed CIA badass, you can safely assume that the agency consulted on it in the service of image control.
But this time, the CIA says it initially just wanted to check that the new Michael Bay Benghazi movie wouldn't jeopardize national security, or compromise their officers and agents working abroad….
Intelligence officials apparently had particular concerns that certain information in the Mitchell Zuckoff nonfiction book, on which Bay's film is based, would end up in the final cut of the movie. This would allegedly jeopardize the security and safety of intelligence agency personnel serving in the field, in part because a major Hollywood production could widely disseminate protocol and procedures that the CIA uses to protect its staff in foreign locations, according to a source with knowledge of the matter….
It is unclear which parts of Zuckoff's book that the agency found most problematic. Of course, any "classified" information that the CIA would be worried about having leaked has already been publicly available in bookstores and libraries all around the world for over a year now.
A spokesman for Bay told Suebsaeng that the filmmaker met with the CIA "to fact-check, and get the agency's perspective, basically. There were questions about protocol, what happened on that night." So Bay says he was trying to get his facts right, and the agency says it was trying to make sure he didn't get them too right. And if a little image-management happened in the process…well, what difference, at this point, does it make?
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Intelligence officials apparently had particular concerns that certain information in the Mitchell Zuckoff nonfiction book, on which Bay's film is based, would end up in the final cut of the movie.
If the information is already out there in book form, who gives a fuck if it's in the movie?
In the venn diagram of those who actual read the book and those who will see the movie the book readers will be represented by a micro-circle the size of an atom while the movie viewer circle will be larger than the planet Earth.
Sure, but that's an argument for making sure the CIA gets good press, not for keeping classified info under wraps. Classified designation should only be used to keep things from foreign intelligence analysts, who are presumably literate.
I wonder it the movie will finally answer the question: what was Obama doing while the shit was hitting the fan? I suspect he went to bed to get ready for that big fundraiser the next day.
Okay, let me head something off right now. I will not have this thread devolve into Bay bashing. That man is a national treasure, one that explodes brilliance.
I thought Michael Bay, stung by criticism of that his movies were indistinguishable sequences of explosions, muscly men, and slim women in their twenties, had bitchily announced he was retiring from movie making!
Who the fuck was idiotic enough to offer him money to come back?!?
If I were of a more suspicious nature, I'd say that the administration is trying to protect its own legacy by ensuring this movie doesn't portray that administration's then-Secretary of State in a bad light.
I disagree. My guess is that its the CIA itself looking to protect itself institutionally. If I recall correctly, there were a lot of recriminations going back and forth between CIA and State (under Clinton) over placing the blame.
Of course, any "classified" information that the CIA would be worried about having leaked has already been publicly available in bookstores and libraries all around the world for over a year now.
My guess is that it was all image management. This is interesting. With the movie due out in January, it strikes me that the Preatorian Guard is making sure that the Empress in Waiting takes any fall rather than them.
Maybe the book is loaded with disinformation and the CIA wants to "innocently" draw attention to the book as a source of real information. Or maybe the CIA wants to make sure you see them "innocently" drawing attention to the book so you'll think the real information in it is merely disinformation. (My guess is the CIA is stupid and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.)
I'm at a loss as to whether you mean, "the person",
....or that the name Asawin Suebsaeng translates directly to 'penis which never stops aching' from the original Thai
a quick glance across his published article-headlines reveals a focus on a 'nexus of pop culture and social-justice politics'... e.g.
- There's a Shailene Woodley Holocaust Make-Out Session in "The Fault in Our Stars"
- How the Iraq War Influenced the "Godzilla" Reboot
- Wait, So the New "Transformers" Movie Is a Pro-Immigration Allegory?
- "Spring Breakers" Sequel Will Include Drunk Teens Fighting Christian Militants
...and the aforementioned, "Michael Bay Meets CIA"
IOW, your cookie-cutter Millenial-Journalist, who elevates mundane pop-news to significance by injecting it with a "...and here's how that's Problematic"-dimension
Shot from an Archer episode was pulled scene for scene from Magnum. That one where Magnum kills the Russian hitman. I haven't caught much Archer so this was news to me.
*low rumble* The CIA Meets with Michael Bay *rumble increasing* It claims... *roaring noise* ...it wanted to make sure his upcoming Benghazi movie... *BOOM* ...won't reveal any... *KABOOM* ...classified... *KABOOM* ...information. *MUSHROOM CLOUD*
OT: The unusually warm weather in the NE - it's been 50-60 degrees nearly every day for the past two weeks - has delayed hibernation for our squirrels. They're becoming obese from lounging around gorging on chestnuts.
Climate change has turned our squirrels into lazy, fat fuckers.
The squirrels here in VA have been super busy all fall. They come right up to the windows of the house so they can look inside and say cusses at the cats. Stupid rodents.
Got a pair of grey squirrels out front that have been lugging mouthfuls of leaves up a pine tree into a big nest for weeks. Thinking they may be done since I haven't seen them in a while.
Intelligence officials apparently had particular concerns that certain information in the Mitchell Zuckoff nonfiction book, on which Bay's film is based, would end up in the final cut of the movie. This would allegedly jeopardize the security and safety of intelligence agency personnel serving in the field, in part because a major Hollywood production could widely disseminate protocol and procedures that the CIA uses to protect its staff in foreign locations, according to a source with knowledge of the matter....
So, having that information out there in written form is OK, but putting it in a movie isn't? What, does the CIA assume that ISIS and other terrorist types can't read or something? RACISTS!!1!!!111!!!!!
Just Google "Mitchell Zuckoff Benghazi book" and see how fast a couple of Jehova's Witness-looking guys show up at your door wanting to talk to you for a few minutes about Allah.
So, in the movie, are we supposed to suspend our disbelief and buy the coincidence of a "CIA Annex" being manned up near a U.S. Consulate in some back-water second tier city? No operation going on, nope. The Ambassador just happened to be in town for the hell of it - and the "militants" just happened to attack that day.
And nobody sent out the Ambassador's travel and security plans in unsecured emails (cough, cough...Clinton).
Those CIA guys were just doing aid work. They were not buying arms and sending them to Syria or anything. That is just racist scare mongering. And remember, ISIS is George Bush's fault. Obama didn't do anything like, send them arms thinking they were the kind of radicals we could do business with, or anything.
I mean next you are going to tell me that Obama and Holder sent guns to Mexican drug gangs in hopes of using their presence in Mexico as a political club to use in support of gun control in the US. You are just a tea bagger RACIST Drake.
Dear leader must be really upset that all his comrades to the South are falling like dominoes. When Dilma is gone, they'll be no one left except for Castro and some dude who gets his hair cut with a bowl on his head. He must surely be having an emergency meeting with Castro to discuss bringing back the glory days of communism.
We know from Hillary's emails that the military was ready to send in a rescue mission and Hillary told them not to do it. That came out last week. So I doubt that piece is in the movie.
This potentially could be a really kick ass movie. It won't however tell the full truth about why the Ambassador was there and just exactly why this militia decided to attack a US diplomatic compound.
Intelligence officials apparently had particular concerns that certain information in the Mitchell Zuckoff nonfiction book, on which Bay's film is based, would end up in the final cut of the movie.
If the information is already out there in book form, who gives a fuck if it's in the movie?
CIA officers concerned about even more bad press.
maybe in CIA circles Michael Bay is well renown for his all too realistic movies. As he should be.
Michael Bay: An eighteen-wheeler spins out of control and it's all like BROSSHH! And then this huuuge tanker full of dynamite - CRRSHGHGHHG!
General: Those aren't ideas, those are special effects!
Michael Bay: I...don't understand the difference.
General: I know you don't!!! Get him out of here!
Crusty Juggler not only did this first, he did it better. God Epi quit beating a dead horse.
He beat me by five minutes! I didn't even have time to see his post! It's not fair!!!
*Ahem*
your link doesn't count because I had to agree to a terms and use contract before viewing.
Real Libertarians ? respect intellectual property.
Are you paying attention Michael Bay?!?! THAT's how you blow shit up.
You should be embarrassed that you are apparently on the same wavelength and Epi and Big Jugs.
That's debatable.
In the venn diagram of those who actual read the book and those who will see the movie the book readers will be represented by a micro-circle the size of an atom while the movie viewer circle will be larger than the planet Earth.
books are for nancy faggots.
There was time in this country, a long time ago, when reading wasn't just for fags...
Sure, but that's an argument for making sure the CIA gets good press, not for keeping classified info under wraps. Classified designation should only be used to keep things from foreign intelligence analysts, who are presumably literate.
I wonder it the movie will finally answer the question: what was Obama doing while the shit was hitting the fan? I suspect he went to bed to get ready for that big fundraiser the next day.
That's probably what they wanted to make sure wasn't in the movie. That and anything that would make Shillary look bad.
The CIA is just being cautious since a shitty movie about Muslims was the reason Benghazi was attacked in the first place.
[golf clap]
derp.
{vagina clap}
And the people they're concerned about can't read.
They actually wanted his opinion on mission ops. High-level sources tell me there is precedent for this.
Okay, let me head something off right now. I will not have this thread devolve into Bay bashing. That man is a national treasure, one that explodes brilliance.
Michael Bay directed National Treasure? What genius.
He's blowing up the big screen.
I thought Michael Bay, stung by criticism of that his movies were indistinguishable sequences of explosions, muscly men, and slim women in their twenties, had bitchily announced he was retiring from movie making!
Who the fuck was idiotic enough to offer him money to come back?!?
Episiarch?
Hitler?
The Rock and Armageddon are both masterpieces, and I will not you badmouth his work.
let you. I was distracted by K-Pop images...
The Rock is awesome.
It is. It is also one of the great movies to watch while nursing a hangover.
Only because Sean Connery was essentially reprising his Bond role. He pretty much made the movie.
And Michael Biehn and Ed Harris and William Forsythe and Tony Todd...
... and Nicholas Cage wasn't actually that bad in it either. I thought there were several times when he played well of Connery.
"How... in the name of ZEUS' BUTTHOLE did you get out of your cell?!"
I genuinely like The Rock, but Pain & Gain (starring, ummmmmm, The Rock) was awful.
Don't listen to this superhero, he's drunk.
So is the CIA really that ignorant of the veracity of Bay's particular oeuvre... or is shit really that explodey over there?
I understand it was pretty explodey... which is rather fascinating considering it was just a demonstration over a youtube video with 18 views.
Those irate third-world protesters have gotten really good about using proxies to avoid giving page hits.
If I were of a more suspicious nature, I'd say that the administration is trying to protect its own legacy by ensuring this movie doesn't portray that administration's then-Secretary of State in a bad light.
I disagree. My guess is that its the CIA itself looking to protect itself institutionally. If I recall correctly, there were a lot of recriminations going back and forth between CIA and State (under Clinton) over placing the blame.
I imagine they voiced concerns about Clinton's scintillating portrayal by Megan Fox.
Of course, any "classified" information that the CIA would be worried about having leaked has already been publicly available in bookstores and libraries all around the world for over a year now.
My guess is that it was all image management. This is interesting. With the movie due out in January, it strikes me that the Preatorian Guard is making sure that the Empress in Waiting takes any fall rather than them.
So what the CIA is saying, "Read the book."
Thanks for the tip.
Maybe the book is loaded with disinformation and the CIA wants to "innocently" draw attention to the book as a source of real information. Or maybe the CIA wants to make sure you see them "innocently" drawing attention to the book so you'll think the real information in it is merely disinformation. (My guess is the CIA is stupid and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.)
Careful there, let's not over-think this. It is the CIA we're discussing.
The CIA is making sure the pro-government propaganda comes out just right, as they also did for Zero Dark Thirty.
Obligatory reenactment of how this meeting went.
"Daily Beast's Asawin Suebsaeng asked the CIA to explain its interest"
And then he was placed in a dungeon and force-fed up his ass for a week. *Just to be sure*
Asawin Suebsaeng is an insufferable prick.
That is all.
I'm at a loss as to whether you mean, "the person",
....or that the name Asawin Suebsaeng translates directly to 'penis which never stops aching' from the original Thai
a quick glance across his published article-headlines reveals a focus on a 'nexus of pop culture and social-justice politics'... e.g.
- There's a Shailene Woodley Holocaust Make-Out Session in "The Fault in Our Stars"
- How the Iraq War Influenced the "Godzilla" Reboot
- Wait, So the New "Transformers" Movie Is a Pro-Immigration Allegory?
- "Spring Breakers" Sequel Will Include Drunk Teens Fighting Christian Militants
...and the aforementioned, "Michael Bay Meets CIA"
IOW, your cookie-cutter Millenial-Journalist, who elevates mundane pop-news to significance by injecting it with a "...and here's how that's Problematic"-dimension
OT but much more entertaining than Michael Bay:
Shot from an Archer episode was pulled scene for scene from Magnum. That one where Magnum kills the Russian hitman. I haven't caught much Archer so this was news to me.
Ivan, did you see the sunrise?
Greatest Magnum EVAH!
From the trailer, it looks like a brave rouge agent and the hero's who follow him v. the establishment weasel theme.
Average Joe Agent (special ops guy) v. Politically Motived Establishment Weasel Guy.
So, basically nearly film made since about 1967 starting with either a Clint Eastwood or Steve McQueen movie.
OT: Has anyone posted this yet?
It's 1984 in Ireland
An evangelical preacher from Northern Ireland who branded Islam satanic has been charged with spreading a grossly offensive message.
WTF? A grossly offensive message? This is a thing? Are they trying to out retard their neighbors on the big island?
Enlightenment values are under attack in one form or another from all sides, pretty much everywhere.
Technically, in 1984-Ireland you could say all the horrible things about Islam, Catholics, Proddys, and the English that you wanted.
*low rumble* The CIA Meets with Michael Bay *rumble increasing* It claims... *roaring noise* ...it wanted to make sure his upcoming Benghazi movie... *BOOM* ...won't reveal any... *KABOOM* ...classified... *KABOOM* ...information. *MUSHROOM CLOUD*
-FTFY
OT: The unusually warm weather in the NE - it's been 50-60 degrees nearly every day for the past two weeks - has delayed hibernation for our squirrels. They're becoming obese from lounging around gorging on chestnuts.
Climate change has turned our squirrels into lazy, fat fuckers.
climate change or, as the foxes and hawks call it, fucking paradise.
The squirrels here in VA have been super busy all fall. They come right up to the windows of the house so they can look inside and say cusses at the cats. Stupid rodents.
fuck you if this doesn't look delicious.
Squirrel isn't bad, but I'd never pan-fry it. It's much better if covered with rosemary, wrapped in bacon, and slow roasted in the oven.
Sure, but that goes for, like, everything.
Got a pair of grey squirrels out front that have been lugging mouthfuls of leaves up a pine tree into a big nest for weeks. Thinking they may be done since I haven't seen them in a while.
It's been in the 70s here in MD. Sorry about your climate poverty up there.
Something something Michael Bay something something explosion something something classified...
O-O-Oh! I got the perfect title for the movie!
Bengazu: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE AT THIS POINT!
So, having that information out there in written form is OK, but putting it in a movie isn't? What, does the CIA assume that ISIS and other terrorist types can't read or something? RACISTS!!1!!!111!!!!!
Just Google "Mitchell Zuckoff Benghazi book" and see how fast a couple of Jehova's Witness-looking guys show up at your door wanting to talk to you for a few minutes about Allah.
So, in the movie, are we supposed to suspend our disbelief and buy the coincidence of a "CIA Annex" being manned up near a U.S. Consulate in some back-water second tier city? No operation going on, nope. The Ambassador just happened to be in town for the hell of it - and the "militants" just happened to attack that day.
And nobody sent out the Ambassador's travel and security plans in unsecured emails (cough, cough...Clinton).
Those CIA guys were just doing aid work. They were not buying arms and sending them to Syria or anything. That is just racist scare mongering. And remember, ISIS is George Bush's fault. Obama didn't do anything like, send them arms thinking they were the kind of radicals we could do business with, or anything.
I mean next you are going to tell me that Obama and Holder sent guns to Mexican drug gangs in hopes of using their presence in Mexico as a political club to use in support of gun control in the US. You are just a tea bagger RACIST Drake.
And when Obama says something, you know it's reality.
Castro a pragmatist, not an ideologue
Well, sure when you're exactly politically aligned with someone, they don't look like an ideologue to you, just to everyone else.
Dear leader must be really upset that all his comrades to the South are falling like dominoes. When Dilma is gone, they'll be no one left except for Castro and some dude who gets his hair cut with a bowl on his head. He must surely be having an emergency meeting with Castro to discuss bringing back the glory days of communism.
Joe from Lowell also hit hard.
We know from Hillary's emails that the military was ready to send in a rescue mission and Hillary told them not to do it. That came out last week. So I doubt that piece is in the movie.
This potentially could be a really kick ass movie. It won't however tell the full truth about why the Ambassador was there and just exactly why this militia decided to attack a US diplomatic compound.
Is there a repository of her published emails? I'm interested in taking a look at this.
This....maybe?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/d...../clintons/
sorry, my list does not include that factoid. it jumps from 9 to 11. 10 was nuked from orbit.